Breaking: Arafat Dead, NbaDan weeps

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Say hi to Satan for me Yasser.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I just hope all hell doesn't break loose with this. It'd be nice to see some competent leadership in the Palestinian cause, but I doubt it seriously.

[SpursWoman]

Adios, fucker. :flipoff

[Ignite]

I actually hope he goes to heaven, because he will have too much fun in hell. That's his kind of people down there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Screw that, he can go join the 9/11 Nineteen and all the Fallujah fuckers in the cess pool that is hell.

Good fucking riddance.

[Yonivore]

Nbadanallah must be in mourning...

[Yonivore]

They should cremate the bastard with a pig and mix the ashes in with the lead used in Israeli ammunition.

[Yonivore]

Okay, so I'm looking at a timeline of Arafat's life on MSNBC's website.

Funny, but they skipped right over his organizing the brilliant massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972. No mention of his innovative and, yet to be patented, exploding-hijacked airliner. And, one of his more notable achievements -- the mass murder of 10,000 Christians in Lebanon -- nope, nowhere on the list.

Jeeze NBC, give the man his due.

[baseline bum]

Yasser didn't seserve to die like that... he should have died from making a porno with Magic.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

lol base, there are a lot of rumors that he made movies with young boys though...

[Nbadan]

Arafat is only half the problem to the Palestinian and Israeli problems. I wonder how many here will be cheering and elated when Sharon passes?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well Sharon's gonna have to put up or shut up. If he doesn't get this deal done now with new Palestinian leadership, he'll be just as bad as Arafat, and people will be glad when he's gone.

A lot of his hate has developed from having to deal with Arafat's rather hypocritical ass for basically his entire military/political career, so you can't blame him for being a little jaded.

With all the world powers, especially Bush, saying the time to broker peace between Israel and Palestine is now in the wake of Yasser's going bye bye, I think Sharon is going to have to do the bidding of the West.

I don't think it will come to that though, I think both sides realize that their ongoing war isn't going to solve anything.

[Nbadan]

No matter the new leader, the PLO won't deal with Sharon there is simply to many hard feelings, to much bad blood between the Palestinians and the Sharon government. However, if Israel was in the future to elect more of a Centrists, and he could deal with the illegal settlers in the West Bank, and deal with the Jerusalem problem - yeah, that's a big if, there could be a chance for peace in that area. Just not today.

[JoeChalupa]

Bush: Who died last night?

Cheney: Yasser.

Bush: Just answer the question Dick did someone die last night?

Cheney: Yasser died last night sir.

Bush: We're alone Dick so you don't have to be so formal.

[Brodels]

I'm glad that fucker is dead. I'm rarely happy to see somebody die, but this time, I'll put a little extra butter on my muffin this morning to celebrate Yasser's passing.

Hope you like it in hell, bitch.

[JoeChalupa]

Let thee without sin.....oh never mind.

[Hook Dem]

Let thee without sin.....oh never mind.
Joe...you're not defending that piece of crap are you? :lol

[Hook Dem]

No matter the new leader, the PLO won't deal with Sharon there is simply to many hard feelings, to much bad blood between the Palestinians and the Sharon government. However, if Israel was in the future to elect more of a Centrists, and he could deal with the illegal settlers in the West Bank, and deal with the Jerusalem problem - yeah, that's a big if, there could be a chance for peace in that area. Just not today.
It's views like your own that will probably prevent it getting done!

[Duff McCartney]

God damn people...give the man some dignity. He did do some great things, terrible, but great things nevertheless. Let the man die in peace.

Reminds me of a movie title..."I spit on your grave."

[Hook Dem]

God damn people...give the man some dignity. He did do some great things, terrible, but great things nevertheless. Let the man die in peace.

Reminds me of a movie title..."I spit on your grave."
He didn't have dignity when he was alive. Why should he have it when he is dead?

[Duff McCartney]

Because he's dead.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Nothing like compassionate conservatism is what I always say.

[whottt]

LMAO. I wish I could shit on his grave.

[whottt]

In case my meaning wasn't clear...Arafat was a filthy vomitous piece of shit excuse for a human being and the world is a worse place for him having lived. He should be buried in a jewish sewer.

It's an indictment against the human race that we let him draw as many breaths as he was allowed to draw.

[1369]

Suprised it came out of a Boston rag:

Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/11/arafat_the_monster/)


YASSER ARAFAT died at age 75, lying in bed surrounded by familiar faces. He left this world peacefully, unlike the thousands of victims he sent to early graves.

In a better world, the PLO chief would have met his end on a gallows, hanged for mass murder much as the Nazi chiefs were hanged at Nuremberg. In a better world, the French president would not have paid a visit to the bedside of such a monster. In a better world, George Bush would not have said, on hearing the first reports that Arafat had died, "God bless his soul."

God bless his soul? What a grotesque idea! Bless the soul of the man who brought modern terrorism to the world? Who sent his agents to slaughter athletes at the Olympics, blow airliners out of the sky, bomb schools and pizzerias, machine-gun passengers in airline terminals? Who lied, cheated, and stole without compunction? Who inculcated the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich? Human beings might stoop to bless a creature so evil -- as indeed Arafat was blessed, with money, deference, even a Nobel Prize -- but God, I am quite sure, will damn him for eternity.

Arafat always inspired flights of nonsense from Western journalists, and his last two weeks were no exception.

Derek Brown wrote in The Guardian that Arafat's "undisputed courage as a guerrilla leader" was exceeded only "by his extraordinary courage" as a peace negotiator. But it is an odd kind of courage that expresses itself in shooting unarmed victims -- or in signing peace accords and then flagrantly violating their terms.

Another commentator, columnist Gwynne Dyer, asked, "So what did Arafat do right?" The answer: He drew worldwide attention to the Palestinian cause, "for the most part by successful acts of terror." In other words, butchering innocent human beings was "right," since it served an ulterior political motive. No doubt that thought brings daily comfort to all those who were forced to bury a child, parent, or spouse because of Arafat's "successful" terrorism.

Some journalists couldn't wait for Arafat's actual death to begin weeping for him. Take the BBC's Barbara Plett, who burst into tears on the day he was airlifted out of the West Bank. "When the helicopter carrying the frail old man rose above his ruined compound," Plett reported from Ramallah, "I started to cry." Normal people don't weep for brutal murderers, but Plett made it clear that her empathy for Arafat -- whom she praised as "a symbol of Palestinian unity, steadfastness, and resistance" -- was heartfelt:

"I remember well when the Israelis re-conquered the West Bank more than two years ago, how they drove their tanks and bulldozers into Mr. Arafat's headquarters, trapping him in a few rooms, and throwing a military curtain around Ramallah. I remember how Palestinians admired his refusal to flee under fire. They told me: `Our leader is sharing our pain, we are all under the same siege.' And so was I." Such is the state of journalism at the BBC, whose reporters do not seem to have any trouble reporting, dry-eyed, on the plight of Arafat's victims. (That is, when they mention them -- which Plett's teary bon voyage to Arafat did not.)

And what about those victims? Why were they scarcely remembered in this Arafat death watch?

How is it possible to reflect on Arafat's most enduring legacy -- the rise of modern terrorism -- without recalling the legions of men, women, and children whose lives he and his followers destroyed? If Osama bin Laden were on his deathbed, would we neglect to mention all those he murdered on 9/11?

It would take an encyclopedia to catalog all of the evil Arafat committed. But that is no excuse for not trying to recall at least some of it.

Perhaps his signal contribution to the practice of political terror was the introduction of warfare against children. On one black date in May 1974, three PLO terrorists slipped from Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. They murdered two parents and a child whom they found at home, then seized a local school, taking more than 100 boys and girls hostage and threatening to kill them unless a number of imprisoned terrorists were released. When Israeli troops attempted a rescue, the terrorists exploded hand grenades and opened fire on the students. By the time the horror ended, 25 people were dead; 21 of them were children.

Thirty years later, no one speaks of Ma'alot anymore. The dead children have been forgotten. Everyone knows Arafat's name, but who ever recalls the names of his victims?

So let us recall them: Ilana Turgeman. Rachel Aputa. Yocheved Mazoz. Sarah Ben-Shim'on. Yona Sabag. Yafa Cohen. Shoshana Cohen. Michal Sitrok. Malka Amrosy. Aviva Saada. Yocheved Diyi. Yaakov Levi. Yaakov Kabla. Rina Cohen. Ilana Ne'eman. Sarah Madar. Tamar Dahan. Sarah Soper. Lili Morad. David Madar. Yehudit Madar. The 21 dead children of Ma'alot -- 21 of the thousands of who died at Arafat's command.

[Hook Dem]

Nothing like compassionate conservatism is what I always say.
Yeah...kinda like what you and your cronies spewed about Regan when he died. I'm not surprised Arafat was your hero!

[JoeChalupa]

Joe...you're not defending that piece of crap are you? :lol

Not at all.

[samikeyp]

Duff...do you know what "I Spit On Your Grave" is about? If that reminds you of Arafat or anyone here...you got some issues.

[Duff McCartney]

Duff...do you know what "I Spit On Your Grave" is about? If that reminds you of Arafat or anyone here...you got some issues.

I said it reminds me of a movie title, not the movie. I know what it's about...it's a horror movie.

[samikeyp]

If you are into horror-porn, that's cool I guess. :spin

Still, I am all for dignity in death, but that guy is one that doesn't deserve it.

[1369]

Link (http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Yassir_Arafat_1929-2004.asp)


EARLY LIFE

It's ironic that the man who personified the Palestinian movement was neither born in the region it claims, nor conforms to his own organization's definition of Palestinian identity. Yassir Arafat, whose real name is Abdel-Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini, was born in August 1929 in Cairo, son of an Egyptian textile merchant. He was sent to Jerusalem as a small child after his mother died, then returned to Egypt via Gaza.

Throughout his career, Arafat's Egyptian background was a political impediment and source of personal embarrassment. One biographer notes that upon first meeting him in 1967, 'West Bankers did not like his Egyptian accent and ways and found them alien,' and to the very end Arafat employed an aide to translate his Egyptian dialect into Palestinian Arabic for conversing with his West Bank and Gaza subjects.

As a young man, Arafat took no part in the formative experience of the Palestinian movement ― the 1948 Arab-Israeli war ― but he would nonetheless claim refugee status throughout his life: 'I am a refugee,' he cried out in a 1969 interview, 'Do you know what it means to be a refugee? I am a poor and helpless man. I have nothing, for I was expelled and dispossessed of my homeland.' (Arafat's congenital lying would continue for decades.)

FATAH AND THE PLO
In the mid-1950s, Arafat joined the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, then rose to the head of the Palestine Student Union at the University of Cairo. In the late 1950s Arafat moved to Kuwait, where he co-founded Fatah ('Palestine National Liberation Movement' ― an acronym meaning 'conquest'), the faction that would later gain control over the entire Palestinian movement. Fatah's motley ranks of Islamists, communists and pan-Arabists expanded via brute violence. 'People aren't attracted to speeches, but rather to bullets,' Arafat quipped at this stage. (At right: Fatah logo of rifles and grenades over Israel)

Fatah began military-style training in Syria and Algeria in 1964, and the following year tried unsuccessfully to blow up a major Israeli water pump. Fatah's stated goal was the obliteration of the State of Israel, and well before the 1967 war would supply a pretext, Arafat's organization repeatedly attacked Israeli buses, homes, villages and rail lines.

This violence against Israeli civilians was a pillar of the Palestinian National Covenant (the foundational charter of the Palestinian Liberation Organization - PLO), which states that 'the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence' and that 'armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine and is therefore a strategy and not a tactic.' (Despite repeated Palestinian commitments in the late 1990s to annul these sections of the covenant, it was never officially changed.)

Arafat's public profile got a boost in 1968, when the IDF raided a Fatah terrorist stronghold in the Jordanian village of al-Karameh. The uniformed, keffiyah-clad Arafat took this opportunity to project himself as a fearless Arab leader who, despite the post-Six Day War gloom, dared to confront the Israelis. The image stuck, and Fatah's numbers swelled with new recruits.

Arafat and Fatah consolidated power through bribery, extortion and murder, and at the Palestinian National Congress in Cairo in February 1969, Arafat was appointed head of the PLO ― a position he would never relinquish.

JORDAN, LEBANON AND TUNISIA
By the late 1960s, heavily-armed, Arafat-led Palestinians had formed a terrorist 'state within a state' in Jordan, not only attacking Israeli civilian targets, but also seizing control of Jordanian infrastructure.

The tension reached a height during late 1970, when Jordan's King Hussein cracked down on the Palestinian factions. During this bloody conflict, known as 'Black September', Palestinians hijacked four Western airliners and blew one up on a Cairo runway (pictured at right), to both embarrass the Egyptians and Jordanians and, in their words, 'teach the Americans a lesson for their long-standing support of Israel.' With the broad publicity this generated, Arafat had hit the world stage.

When King Hussein drove Arafat's faction out of his Jordanian kingdom (causing thousands of civilian deaths), they relocated in Lebanon. As in Jordan, Arafat soon triggered a bloody civil war in his previously stable host country. Simultaneously, the PLO launched intermittent attacks on Israeli towns from southern Lebanese positions.

Yassir Arafat then brought the high-profile terrorist act to western soil. In Sept. 1972, Fatah-backed terrorists kidnapped and murdered 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic games. And in 1973, Arafat ordered his operatives in the Khartoum, Sudan office of Fatah to abduct and murder US Ambassador Cleo Noel and two other diplomats. (In 2004, the FBI finally opened an official investigation against Arafat for the Khartoum murders.)

The wanton violence fueled Arafat's political goals, as his presence on the world stage grew: In 1974, he became the first representative of a nongovernmental organization to address a plenary session of the UN General Assembly (pictured at left) In the speech, with a gun holster strapped to his hip, Arafat compared himself to George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Arab heads of states declared the PLO the sole legitimate representative of all Palestinians, the PLO was granted full membership in the Arab League in 1976, and by 1980 was fully recognized by European nations.

In 1978-82, the IDF invaded Lebanon to root out PLO groups that had continually terrorized the northern Israeli populace. The U.S. brokered a cease-fire deal in which Arafat and the PLO were allowed to leave Lebanon; Arafat and the PLO leadership eventually settled in Tunisia, which remained his center of operations until 1993.

During the 1980s, Arafat received financial assistance from Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, which allowed him to rebuild the battered PLO. This was particularly useful during the first Palestinian intifada in 1987 ― Arafat took control of the violence from afar, and it was mainly due to Fatah forces in the West Bank that the anti-Israel terror and civil unrest could be maintained. Arafat would then become nearly the only world leader to support Saddam Hussein in the 1991 Gulf War. (Saddam would later repay this loyalty by sending $25,000 checks to families of Palestinian suicide bombers.)

THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY

In the early 1990s, the U.S. led Israel and the PLO to negotiations that spawned the 1993 Oslo Accords, an agreement that called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period. The following year Arafat was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize along with Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin.

In 1994, Arafat moved his headquarters to the West Bank and Gaza to run the Palestinian Authority, an entity created by the Oslo Accords. Arafat brought with him from Tunisia an aging PLO leadership that would bolster his ongoing monopoly over all Palestinian funds, power and authority. Elections in 1996 extended Arafat's control over the PA, but under the Oslo agreement, the term of that candidacy ended in 1999. Arafat never allowed new elections to take place.

While Israel went about implementing its side of the Oslo agreements ― removing troops from nearly all Palestinian areas, recognizing the PA, and educating for peace ― the PA utterly failed to live up to its commitment to renounce and uproot anti-Israel terrorism. Instead, unprecedented incitement from Arafat's official PA media and school textbooks, and active and passive PA support for terrorist groups led to a string of suicide bombings in the mid-1990s that killed scores of Israeli civilians. In October, 1996, at the height of the Oslo years, Arafat cried out to a Bethlehem crowd, 'We know only one word - jihad! Jihad, jihad, jihad! Whoever does not like it can drink from the Dead Sea or from the Sea of Gaza.'

In July 2000, U.S. president Bill Clinton attempted to keep the Oslo Accords viable by convening a summit at Camp David between Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. There, Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in Gaza and 92% of the West Bank, and a capital in East Jerusalem ― the most generous offer ever from an Israeli government. Yassir Arafat rejected the offer and ended negotiations without a counteroffer. As American envoy Dennis Ross concluded, 'Arafat could not accept Camp David... because when the conflict ends, the cause that defines Arafat also ends.'

Immediately following this breakdown, the PA media machine under Arafat's control ramped up the war rhetoric, and preparations were made for riots that were unleashed following Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount. The Arafat-supported 'al Aqsa intifada' would continue for four years. This unprecedented wave of anti-Israel terrorism, which would result in over 1,000 Israeli deaths, was marked by over 120 Palestinian suicide bombers and the growth of an Islamic martyrdom cult.

This stage of violence revealed that Arafat and the PA had never abandoned their longstanding plans to liquidate the Jewish state. Arafat had told an Arab audience in Stockholm in 1996, 'We plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion... We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem.' Likewise, Arafat explained to a South African crowd in 1994 that the Oslo agreement was merely a tactical ruse in the larger battle to destroy the Jewish state ― a modern version of the Muslim prophet Mohammed's trickery against the ancient tribe of Quraysh. Arafat's colleague Faisal al-Husseini was even more explicit, describing the Oslo process as a 'Trojan Horse' designed to promote the strategic goal of 'Palestine from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea' ― that is, a Palestine in place of Israel.

TERRORIST TO THE END

The final phase in Arafat's life-long commitment to organized terror was channeled through the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, a Fatah group that was responsible for many of the most deadly attacks against Israeli civilians between 2000-2004. Though many media outlets described a mere 'loose affiliation' between Arafat and this terrorist group, the evidence clearly indicated a direct financial and organizational bond between the two:

▪ In November, 2003 a BBC investigation found that up to $50,000 a month was funneled by Fatah, with Arafat's approval, directly to the Al Aqsa Brigades, for the purpose of organizing bombings, snipings and ambushes against Israeli civilians.

▪ Documents captured by the IDF in 2002 indicated Fatah's 'systematic, institutionalized and ongoing financing' of the Al Aqsa Brigades.

▪ The leader of the Al Aqsa Brigades in Tulkarm told USA Today on March 14, 2002: 'The truth is, we are Fatah, but we didn't operate under the name of Fatah...We are the armed wing of the organization. We receive our instructions from Fatah. Our commander is Yasser Arafat himself.'

In addition, Arafat granted free rein to the radical Islamic terrorist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad to perpetrate dozens of horrific acts of civilian murder between 2000-2004. (At left: Arafat with Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin, 2003)

DELEGITIMIZATION

In January 2002, the Israeli Navy seized a Gaza-bound, PA-owned freighter ― the Karine A ― that was loaded with more than fifty tons of Iranian ammunition and weapons, including dozens of surface-to-surface Katyusha rockets. (See more on the Karine A.)

In June 2002, upon recognizing Arafat's ongoing financing and abetting of terrorism, U.S. President Bush called for Arafat's removal from power. Progress toward peace required, according to Bush, 'a new and different Palestinian leadership...not compromised by terror.' Release of a U.S.-backed 'road map' for settling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was therefore delayed until such a new Palestinian leader emerged. On its part, the Israeli government chose to isolate Arafat in his Ramallah compound, the 'Muqata', where he would remain from early 2002 until his final days, and where his burial is expected to occur.

In April 2003, hours after Mahmoud Abbas assumed the role of Palestinian prime minister, the official road map was released and diplomatic progress began. But Arafat consistently undercut the authority of Abbas, leading to Abbas' resignation and the halting of the road map peace process.

CORRUPTION, AUTOCRACY, JIHAD

Over the course of his 'revolutionary' career, Arafat siphoned off hundreds of millions of dollars of international aid money intended to reach the Palestinian people.

Estimates of the degree of Arafat's wealth differ, but are all staggering: In 2003, Forbes magazine listed Arafat in its annual list of the wealthiest 'Kings, Queens and Despots,' with a fortune of 'at least $300 million.' Israeli and US officials estimate Arafat's personal holdings between $1-3 billion.

And while the average Palestinian barely subsisted, Arafat's wife Suha in Paris received $100,000 each month from PA sources as reported on CBS' 60 Minutes. That CBS report also noted that Arafat maintained secret investments in a Ramallah-based Coca Cola plant, a Tunisian cellphone company, and venture capital funds in the U.S. and the Cayman Islands.

Arafat also used foreign aid funds to pay off cronies who bolstered his autocracy: An International Monetary Fund report indicated that upwards of 8% ($135 million) of the PA's annual budget was handed out by Arafat 'at his sole discretion.' And Arafat's select PA policemen, far from keeping the peace, were repeatedly among the suicide bombers and snipers.

Money was just one method of strengthening Arafat's power apparatus. Critics of his PA government were routinely imprisoned, tortured or beaten. One example: In 1999, Muawiya Al-Masri, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, described Arafat's corruption to a Jordanian newspaper. For this, he was attacked by a gang of masked men and shot three times. Al-Masri survived the ordeal and described Arafat's grip on PA power: 'There is no institutional process. There is only one institution ― the Presidency, which has no law and order and is based on bribing top officials.'

From 2000-2004, Arafat permitted Muslim imams to incite unprecedented anti-Israel and anti-American violence from their mosques and through official PA media. Arafat's Religious Affairs Ministry employed preachers who regularly called for children to 'martyr themselves', and PA television glamorized the act of suicide bombing.

Under Arafat, the Palestinian Authority school textbooks denied Israel's very existence, and jihad was presented to Palestinian children as an admirable course of action. The Jewish people, meanwhile, was represented to schoolchildren as a tricky, greedy and barbarous nation.

Freedom of the press was virtually non-existent during Arafat's reign in Gaza, Jericho and Ramallah ― if it didn't speak favorably of Arafat, it didn't get printed in the PA-controlled media. Moreover, the PA enacted a systematic policy of intimidation of foreign journalists. One case among many: When an AP cameraman captured footage of Palestinian street celebrations following the 9/11 attacks, he was kidnapped, brought to a PA security office, and Arafat's cabinet secretary threatened that the PA 'cannot guarantee [his] life' if the footage was broadcast.

Yet beyond the terrorism, extortion, embezzlement and intimidation lies Arafat's most unfortunate ongoing impact: The inculcation of murderous values in an entire generation of Palestinians, who have been educated ― under Arafat's direction ― to continue the fight of jihad against Israel, rather than compromise to end the decades-long conflict.

How many generations will it take to undo Arafat's dark legacy?

[Yonivore]

I hope he and Chirac made love one last time...it'd serve that French bastard right to contract AIDS and die like his buddy Yasser.

And, I'd like to amend my funeral suggestion. He should be cremated with a live pig so we'll forever associate the squeal of the burning animal with the vision that it is him squealing instead. Too bad it couldn't have been done when he was still conscious and there'd be no need for the pig to be alive.

Then mix the ashes with the metals used to make the projectiles in Israeli ammunition.

Yeah, that'd work

[JoeChalupa]

Damn, you are scary Yonivore.

[Yonivore]

Damn, you are scary Yonivore.
Good.

[samikeyp]

And, I'd like to amend my funeral suggestion. He should be cremated with a live pig

Why insult the pig? :p

[Yonivore]

Why insult the pig? :p
Consider it a worthy sacrifice... Yes, I feel bad for the pig but, look at all the good that will come of it.

[JoeChalupa]

Pork Rinds? Chorizo? Chops? A poor-boy?

[Yonivore]

Pork Rinds? Chorizo? Chops? A poor-boy?
Sure, all sold in the Palestinian marketplace.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

God damn people...give the man some dignity. He did do some great things, terrible, but great things nevertheless. Let the man die in peace.

Reminds me of a movie title..."I spit on your grave."

That's like saying, whenever we get Osama, that he did "great things."

I just watched a member of the Palestinian leadership (from Arafat's "cabinet") say on tv that "the Israelis want peace and security, we want peace and security, and it's time now to get something done."

Tell me again how the Israel-Palestine situation is hopelessly lost even with Arafat's death?

[samikeyp]

Pork Rinds? Chorizo? Chops? A poor-boy?

mmm...poor-boy

[Brodels]

God damn people...give the man some dignity. He did do some great things, terrible, but great things nevertheless. Let the man die in peace.

Reminds me of a movie title..."I spit on your grave."

Good things? Like what? Practically inventing airline hijacking? Hijacking an olympic games? Convincing fourteen year old boys to blow themselves up even though he was too much of a coward to send his own children to do the job? Funding the killing of civilians at every opportunity? Turning down a deal that would have given him practically everything his people wanted?

Tell me, Duff, what were these great things that he did? He was born in Egypt for godsakes. He didn't represent what the Palestinians wanted. He tried to kill as many civilians as he possibly could.

He was the ideological grandfather of Osama. And you think he deserves dignity?

I'm not much of a supporter of Isreal, but when a coward man who has caused so much pain and hardship out of hatred dies, I don't think he deserves dignity.

So what are these great things, and how do they overshadow the bad things?

[whottt]

He didn't represent what the Palestinians wanted. He tried to kill as many civilians as he possibly could.

The Palestinians were his invention. The so called Palestinians are dissidents mainly comprised of people kicked out of Jordan because the Jordanians didn't like their views either.

The Palestinians aren't even wanted by the other Arabs in their countries...yet people expect the jews to sit there and accept being slaughtered with wide open arms and a smile on their face.

The PLO and the Palestinian movement was nothing more than a ploy to eliminate Israel from the mid-east...after the Arab countries and Egypt had already surrendered and lost the war for Israel's right to exist.


And as long as groups like Hamas are allowed to speak for the Palestinians without reproach from the Palestinian leadership it's hard for me to believe they have any other goals than to eliminate Israel still.

[samikeyp]

He did do some great things, terrible, but great things nevertheless.

ahh, the Marge Schott approach.

[MannyIsGod]

Arafat has and always will be a worthless terrorist who hijacked the cause of a people and used it to advance his own fucking agenda while said people lived in a shitty situation. Fuck him. Leave it to fucknig Duff to ask for dignity for someone who has absolutely NO upside.

[JoeChalupa]

I think his upside will be pushing daiseys real soon.

[Marcus Bryant]

At some point it's the person not the movement, like Castro. Arafat clearly was fucking things up to the point that even Clinton had to criticize him.

Sharon seems rather amenable right now. Hopefully the new Palestinian leadership will actually put the interests of their people ahead of their own and that shit will be resolved once and for all.

[Duff McCartney]

Good things? Like what? Practically inventing airline hijacking? Hijacking an olympic games? Convincing fourteen year old boys to blow themselves up even though he was too much of a coward to send his own children to do the job? Funding the killing of civilians at every opportunity? Turning down a deal that would have given him practically everything his people wanted?

Tell me, Duff, what were these great things that he did? He was born in Egypt for godsakes. He didn't represent what the Palestinians wanted. He tried to kill as many civilians as he possibly could.

He was the ideological grandfather of Osama. And you think he deserves dignity?

I'm not much of a supporter of Isreal, but when a coward man who has caused so much pain and hardship out of hatred dies, I don't think he deserves dignity.

So what are these great things, and how do they overshadow the bad things?

I didn't say they were good dumbass..I said they were great....but I mean great as in big things, significant things...they were terrible...but great nontheless.

[CrazyOne]

Perhaps a better adjective would be "infamous"... you know, famous but for a bad reason.

[Brodels]

I didn't say they were good dumbass..

Does namecalling somehow strengthen your argument?

I won't resort to namecalling and I hope that you won't, either.


I said they were great....but I mean great as in big things, significant things...they were terrible...but great nontheless.

That's a really poor choice of words, then.

But if you really did mean it that way, that means that you feel we should show some dignity because he did significant things. Why should people show dignity towards someone just because they did significant things? Did those significant things somehow make him more worth of dignity? I don't understand.

Here were your words exactly:


God damn people...give the man some dignity. He did do some great things, terrible, but great things nevertheless. Let the man die in peace.

Reminds me of a movie title..."I spit on your grave."

You would have been better off just arguing that he deserves some dignity simply because he's a human being.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm still waiting for Duff to list the great things Arafat did.

[Duff McCartney]

Winning the Nobel Peace Price and fighting for Palestinian independence are some of the great things he did.

[Hook Dem]

Winning the Nobel Peace Price and fighting for Palestinian independence are some of the great things he did.
All for "personal" gain. He lived in the comfort of his compound and had no regard for the sufferings that went on just yards from it. Sound like Sadaam just a little bit??? What about all the "great" things Sadaam did?

[DrRich]

Why insult the pig? :p

Did someone say "Bacon"?