Cavs/Suns Game on ABC

[The_Game]

Cavs 56 Suns 58 HT

good one thus far

[Amare_32]

I hate close games. :lol
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[nsrammstein]

Yes, and I don't blame you since the suns can only steamroll through opponents that are without their superstar or have a .300 winning percentage. Look at it like this bro, think that you are playing 2k7 on ur ps2 or whatever and you are playing with the suns on the the easy level and the mavs are playing on the superstar level and are still .5 games behind isn't that sad? you know that the suns will lose when they face the spurs or mavs or any other contender in the west. The suns cupcake schedule is over.

[1Parker1]

Yes, and I don't blame you since the suns can only steamroll through opponents that are without their superstar or have a .300 winning percentage. Look at it like this bro, think that you are playing 2k7 on ur ps2 or whatever and you are playing with the suns on the the easy level and the mavs are playing on the superstar level and are still .5 games behind isn't that sad? you know that the suns will lose when they face the spurs or mavs or any other contender in the west. The suns cupcake schedule is over.


:rolleyes They're still good, 16 straight is 16 straight any way you look at it. You have to have talent and focus to win that many night in and night out like that. Give credit where credit is due.

Why do Mavs fans have such an inferiority complex? You know you're team is playing amazing well, but that doesn't mean you can't give other teams credit where credit is due....

[1Parker1]

BTW, Have the Suns played the Bulls yet?

[1Parker1]

BTW, Suns will easily win today against the Cavs. I'm actually surprised at how bad the Cavs team is, I expected them to be a lot better.

[Amare_32]

Yes, and I don't blame you since the suns can only steamroll through opponents that are without their superstar or have a .300 winning percentage. Look at it like this bro, think that you are playing 2k7 on ur ps2 or whatever and you are playing with the suns on the the easy level and the mavs are playing on the superstar level and are still .5 games behind isn't that sad? you know that the suns will lose when they face the spurs or mavs or any other contender in the west. The suns cupcake schedule is over.


The Suns have beaten

Detroit
Cleveland
Orlando
Houston
Chicago
Washington

You can't blame the Suns for the rest of the teams being bad. Othrwise we might as well discount the Mavs win streaks.
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[Amare_32]

BTW, Have the Suns played the Bulls yet?

Yes they won 100-97
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[SAtown]

I hope this thread doesn't become a "Mavs > Suns" or vice versa, cuz this has nothing to do with the Mavs, hence the title of the thread.

[Amare_32]

I hope this thread doesn't become a "Mavs > Suns" or vice versa, cuz this has nothing to do with the Mavs, hence the title of the thread.


Please enough with those threads.
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[Mayhem]

Seems like the cavs are managing to stick around.

[The_Game]

Yes, and I don't blame you since the suns can only steamroll through opponents that are without their superstar or have a .300 winning percentage. Look at it like this bro, think that you are playing 2k7 on ur ps2 or whatever and you are playing with the suns on the the easy level and the mavs are playing on the superstar level and are still .5 games behind isn't that sad? you know that the suns will lose when they face the spurs or mavs or any other contender in the west. The suns cupcake schedule is over.

yet i'm sure you weren't moaning when amare was out all year when the suns had to play without him, right?

give credit when it's due. suns are a great team and a real threat to win it all.

[1Parker1]

Yes they won 100-97


When was that game? Recent?

[1Parker1]

Lebron needs to shoot more here. He needs to take on that "Wade/Kobe/Arenas" mentality right now and just take over.

[The_Game]

they won 98-97, a few weeks ago on a barbosa game winner. In chicago.

[nsrammstein]

The Suns have beaten

Detroit - No Billups
Cleveland
Orlando - average team in the east no big deal
Houston - No Tmac or Yao
Chicago - no hinrich
Washington - only good win but its not saying a lot

[Amare_32]

they won 98-97, a few weeks ago on a barbosa game winner. In chicago.

Correct I thought it was 100-97.
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[1Parker1]

they won 98-97, a few weeks ago on a barbosa game winner. In chicago.


Damn, I wanted to see how the Suns do against the newly confident Bulls team.



I hope the Suns win today...otherwise they'll be pissed coming out against the Spurs next game :lol

[nsrammstein]

btw the mavs have beaten
suns 2 times
spurs 2 times
lakers 2 times
and im not going to include the wins against the wiz, magic and bulls because to me they aren't big wins like you suns fans like to think.

[dirk4mvp]

that.........wasn't a charge

[1Parker1]

:lol Hube Brown just said the words, "Excellent, Excellent defense by Steve Nash anticipating that move."


Hell must have frozen over.

[1Parker1]

:pctoss P.S. I HATE that F-ing Kia commercial!!!!!

[JMarkJohns]

Please, help control the pest population, have your Mavs trolls spayed or nuetered.

nsrammstein, if you're not blind, a quick glance at this forum would tell you of several "Mavs > Suns" or "Suns unimpressive 16-game winstreak" type threads already.

Please, trolls, stop hijacking threads with your bias-based, ignorance-filled rants.

Thanks. You may now return to/fade away into oblivion.

[1Parker1]

btw the mavs have beaten
suns 2 times
spurs 2 times
lakers 2 times
and im not going to include the wins against the wiz, magic and bulls because to me they aren't big wins like you suns fans like to think.


**Sigh, Who the fuck cares? You're BOTH playing amazingly well right now. You don't need to put down the Suns to make the Mavs look better.

This is the regular season, anything can happen in the postseason, as I'm sure the 2006 NBA Finals have taught you. :rolleyes

[themvp]

Phoenix looks stellar in offense.

[Amare_32]

The Suns have beaten

Detroit - No Billups
Cleveland
Orlando - average team in the east no big deal
Houston - No Tmac or Yao
Chicago - no hinrich
Washington - only good win but its not saying a lot

I can say the same about the Mavs wins. Since they have played the same teams. I have had enough with this Mavs and Suns debates. A 16 win streak is impressive no matter what. If it was the Mavs you guys would be bragging about.
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[bulletedge]

P.S. I HATE that F-ing Kia commercial!!!!!

Omigod!!! I couldn't agree with you more- I have to mute the sound every f-ing time it comes on. And it looks funny as shit when you watch it without audio.

[nsrammstein]

You don't need to put down the Suns to make the Mavs look better.

Im not puting anyone down im just stating the facts.

[dirk4mvp]

Please, trolls, stop hijacking threads with your bias-based, ignorance-filled rants.




Right, and suns fans never do that....... :rolleyes

[1Parker1]

Omigod!!! I couldn't agree with you more- I have to mute the sound every f-ing time it comes on. And it looks funny as shit when you watch it without audio.


Seriously, it's like nails on a chalkboard or something. Especially when that blond girl jumps up and down and sings "A tue, A Tue, to me and you and yooooou!" :madrun

[bulletedge]

PHX will blow the Cavs out in the 4th...if not earlier.

[1Parker1]

Im not puting anyone down im just stating the facts.


You're opinions don't count as "Facts." You're making broad general statements based on stats without actually analyzing the situation. Guaranteed that if the Mavs were currently on a 16 game winning streak against those same exact teams, you'd be damn proud and amazed with them too.

[nsrammstein]

BTW, I thought this was a good place to express my thoughs since you people don't want new threads created so I decided to post here where the majority will be able to read my posts.

[Amare_32]

Seriously, it's like nails on a chalkboard or something. Especially when that blond girl jumps up and down and sings "A tue, A Tue, to me and you and yooooou!" :madrun

This is how I feel everything that ad comes on. :bang
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[1Parker1]

PHX will blow the Cavs out in the 4th...if not earlier.

Sad, but true. What strikes me with Pheonix this season is that they aren't going on as many of those "offensive droughts" that they went through in years past.

I'm sure that has a lot to do with the fact that outside of 3 or 4 teams (Spurs, Mavs, Bulls, Rockets) in the NBA, no one plays defense anymore. Which is kind of sad....

[nsrammstein]

you'd be damn proud and amazed with them too.
actually I am proud that the mavs have only lost 2 out of the last 23 games because in that span the mavs have actually beaten pretty good competition against quality teams not like the suns .300% schedule thus far.

[1Parker1]

This is how I feel everything that commericial comes on. :bang


:lmao :lmao They're playing it on EVERY commercial break! I may have to switch over to the Austrailian Open until the Spurs game.

[hitmanyr2k]

btw the mavs have beaten
suns 2 times
spurs 2 times
lakers 2 times
and im not going to include the wins against the wiz, magic and bulls because to me they aren't big wins like you suns fans like to think.

Doesn't matter what the Suns and Mavs do in the regular season. Should they meet in the playoffs I expect the Suns to whore Dallas and send them packing.

[1Parker1]

actually I am proud that the mavs have only lost 2 out of the last 23 games because in that span the mavs have actually beaten pretty good competition against quality teams not like the suns .300% schedule thus far.



:bang Getting logic across to a Mavs fan is worse than listening to that Kia commercial, I think.

:lol

[SAtown]

:lmao :lmao They're playing it on EVERY commercial break! I may have to switch over to the Austrailian Open until the Spurs game.

That's what I've been doing, for that specific purpose.

[1Parker1]

That's what I've been doing, for that specific purpose.


:lol It just sucks since I already read about what happens...

[nsrammstein]

I expect the Suns to whore Dallas and send them packing.

thats pretty smart of you to say man since the suns have totally destroyed dallas this season.

[1Parker1]

Damn, Gonzalez really gave him a good run! I'm surpised.

[1Parker1]

Am I the only one that thinks Federer is kinda cute? :oops

[themvp]

Isn't this suppose to be a game blog thread?

[JMarkJohns]

Im not puting anyone down im just stating the facts.

As you see them. While truth that the Suns have been fortunate, you ignore the affect travel and back-to-backs have on teams. If netting two 15-game win streaks were really as easy as many Mavs fans have been pretending them to be, they'd have one themselves and they'd be far more commonplace in basketball.

Fact is, they aren't commonplace.

While I agree that Suns fans should think these streaks more of a blessing than a sign, the fact is, there's no such thing as an unimpressive double-digit winstreak.

You want impressive, the Suns have yet to lose a game by double-figures this year. Their largest margin of defeat has been eight points. That was the first game of the year. A game in which Amare wasn't Amare, in which Bell wasn't Bell and in which the Suns blew a huge first-half lead.

They've played at a remarkably consistant level all season long. That's impressive.

As a comparison, Dallas has lost five by double-figures and three by more than 15 points.

[JMarkJohns]

Right, and suns fans never do that....... :rolleyes

I don't.

[bulletedge]

Get ready for the Kia commercial again!!!!

[Amare_32]

Can we get back to the game please? 91-87 at the end of the 3rd quarter.
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[SAtown]

Get ready for the Kia commercial again!!!!

Unbelievable.

[1Parker1]

Isn't this suppose to be a game blog thread?

:lol My bad, I think I sidetracked everyone.

[nsrammstein]

and you wanna kno something even more impressive? the suns are 0-4 against the mavs and spurs. pretty impressive for an elite contender.

[Amare_32]

Get ready for the Kia commercial again!!!!


:bang
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[1Parker1]

Get ready for the Kia commercial again!!!!

:lol I switched to the Aussie Open.

[themvp]

Get ready for the Kia commercial again!!!!
:lol

[bulletedge]

Well, I was going to watch the Spurs game but now I have decided to spend my afternoon shopping for a brand new Kia...I heard somewhere that they are having some kind of sale?

[dirk4mvp]

I don't.


I know you don't.

But you can't act like Mavs fans are the only thread jackers here, as Suns fans are just as guilty as mavs fans.

[Amare_32]

and you wanna kno something even more impressive? the suns are 0-4 against the mavs and spurs. pretty impressive for an elite contender.


Yeah so was the Heat last year. That does not mean anything. In the playoffs everyone is 0-0. First one to 16 wins gets the title.
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[1Parker1]

and you wanna kno something even more impressive? the suns are 0-4 against the mavs and spurs. pretty impressive for an elite contender.


:lol I'm sure that'll chance Wednesday...:oops

[themvp]

Yeah so was the Heat last year. That does not mean anything. In the playoffs everyone is 0-0. First one to 16 wins gets the title.


It's nice to hear it from a Suns fan :lol

[nsrammstein]

Yeah so was the Heat last year. That does not mean anything. In the playoffs everyone is 0-0. First one to 16 wins gets the title

please do not compare the west to the leastern conference where the heat are about 6 games under .500 and can still get the number 1 seed.

[JMarkJohns]

and you wanna kno something even more impressive? the suns are 0-4 against the mavs and spurs. pretty impressive for an elite contender.

Actually, they are 0-3. Losing the one vs. the Spurs in OT, the first vs. the Mavs in the final minutes and the second vs. the Mavs on Dallas' last possession.

You could definately argue a solid woulda/coulda/shoulda case here. One or two bounces here or there and they could be 3-0. They aren't, so they still have something to prove, but being 0-3 vs. San Antonio and Dallas isn't enough to diminish two 15-game winstreaks.

It's really pathetic.

[hitmanyr2k]

thats pretty smart of you to say man since the suns have totally destroyed dallas this season.

The Mavs beat the Suns in the first week of the season and in December. Big freakin deal. The NBA gave you guys the trophy when you beat the Heat by 30+ and dominated the regular season series last year right? Oops...wait a minute :lol

[Amare_32]

please do not compare the west to the leastern conference where the heat are about 6 games under .500 and can still get the number 1 seed.

You remember the Heat don't you? :lol
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[dirk4mvp]

You remember the Heat don't you? :lol


You remeber Dallas don't you? :lol

[Amare_32]

They need to rename this forum Mavs vs Suns.
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[Amare_32]

You remeber Dallas don't you? :lol

Suns would not have choked a 2-0 lead.
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[hitmanyr2k]

They need to rename this forum Mavs vs Suns.

In that case they need to make a forum and name it "For fans whose teams haven't won shit".

[nsrammstein]

Suns would not have choked a 2-0 lead
how do you know? oh yeah i remember the suns have the most finals experience out there since they have been to the nba finals a couple of times already and won it all..
oh yeah wait a minute.

[1Parker1]

So getting back to the Suns/Cavs game, I'm surprised the score is close here in the 4th: 91-87, Suns.

It'll be a good test to see how the Suns defend/play in a close game. That's been one of their downfalls in years past.

[themvp]

That was Tim Duncan shooting! :spin

[SAtown]

In that case they need to make a forum and name it "For fans whose teams haven't won shit".

:clap :clap :clap

[1Parker1]

Cavs think they're the Suns or something and keep shooting jumpshots and 3 pointers instead of having Lebron taking it to the hoop.

[JMarkJohns]

Right, and suns fans never do that....... :rolleyes

Also, notice I simply said "trolls". While I referenced this specific moron in mmy first line, in the line you quoted, it was a general "stop hijacking threads" to all trolls. It's really tiresome. Come with a unique thought. Back it up or gets out. There's no reason to turn every thread into a pissing match of infutility.

[1Parker1]

In that case they need to make a forum and name it "For fans whose teams haven't won shit".

:lol Burrrrrrrrrrrn.

[dirk4mvp]

game.


barbosa won't miss.

[1Parker1]

Pheonix up 12 by shooting lights out from 3 point land within the last two minutes. Damn, they're good.

[bulletedge]

Turn the lights out it's over.

[JMarkJohns]

So getting back to the Suns/Cavs game, I'm surprised the score is close here in the 4th: 91-87, Suns.

It'll be a good test to see how the Suns defend/play in a close game. That's been one of their downfalls in years past.

There's your explosion. In four minutes, Suns outscore Cleveland by eight.

[Amare_32]

So getting back to the Suns/Cavs game, I'm surprised the score is close here in the 4th: 91-87, Suns.

It'll be a good test to see how the Suns defend/play in a close game. That's been one of their downfalls in years past.

These are the games they need to win. This can only help them in the playoffs.
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[nsrammstein]

In that case they need to make a forum and name it "For fans whose teams haven't won shit".

lol isn't it sad that fans of other teams have to revert back to championships won almost a decade ago to make a case for their team.

[hitmanyr2k]

Larry Hughes is garbage. If he isn't scoring he doesn't impact the game in any other way.

[nsrammstein]

This can only help them in the playoffs. :lol :lol

[JMarkJohns]

lol isn't it sad that fans of other teams have to revert back to championships won almost a decade ago to make a case for their team.

Actually, by your same regular season logic, he only needs to revert back to Thursday. Chicago 96, Dallas 85.

"NEXT!!!"
- Soup Nazi, "Seinfeld"

[Amare_32]

:lol :lol

Why is that funny? A year ago in a close game the Suns would have messed it up in the end.
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[hitmanyr2k]

Nash is sick with that move :lol

[nsrammstein]

"NEXT!!!"
- Soup Nazi, "Seinfeld"

so what is that supposed to mean?

[1Parker1]

Larry Hughes is garbage. If he isn't scoring he doesn't impact the game in any other way.


:tu Basically. Cavs have done a really crappy job of finding the right players to fit around Lebron James. Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Larry Hughes do not have the type of play/game that suits Lebron James. WTF were they thinking?

[dirk4mvp]

didn't hughes used to be good.........

[hitmanyr2k]

At this point you have to wonder why Lebron is passing up driving lanes to throw it to Hughes. The guy can't buy a shot.

[JMarkJohns]

so what is that supposed to mean?

It's obvious to any who have seen the show and have read your posts.

I'd explain, but logic is lost on ya.

[The_Game]

great defensive work by the suns in this 4th quarter

[nsrammstein]

LeBronze is not at 100%

[1Parker1]

I think it's ovaaaaaaaaaaaah.

That was almost too easy for the Suns.

[JMarkJohns]

LeBronze is not at 100%

Excuses, excuses...

[ponky]

game over, next

[Amare_32]

LeBronze is not at 100%

Yeah I am sure thats the excuse the Mavs fans will use if the Suns win.
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[1Parker1]

At this point you have to wonder why Lebron is passing up driving lanes to throw it to Hughes. The guy can't buy a shot.

I barely even noticed Lebron in the 4th except for that breakaway dunk. He should be taking this game over considering no one on his team can buy a shot. Instead he's settling for 3 point shot attempts and passing it to a cold Larry Hughes who passed a wide open 3 point shot for a contested mid range shot.

[nsrammstein]

It's obvious to any who have seen the show and have read your posts.

I'd explain, but logic is lost on ya.

please stop twisting around my arguments so you can take a shot at me. so yeah by going by that exact regular season logic of yours then the bulls >> suns

[The_Game]

LeBronze is not at 100%

was amare 100% when you beat the suns in the playoffs last year? ah, he wasn't there at all!!!

[themvp]

MacGyvaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

[nsrammstein]

was amare 100% when you beat the suns in the playoffs last year? ah, he wasn't there at all!!!

dude please not everything i say is against the suns. isn't lebron not at 100% thats why he's passing up the lane. btw suns last year still had the mvp, and an all star.

[Spurminator]

Why are the Cavs afraid of the paint?

[bulletedge]

I don't think PHX will lose more than 5 or 6 games the rest of the season. Playoffs will be interesting.

[hitmanyr2k]

Anyone who is running and jumping like Lebron is today is 100% in my eyes.

[ponky]

was amare 100% when you beat the suns in the playoffs last year? ah, he wasn't there at all!!!


shouldn't you be shaking in your boots at the prospect of playing the suns on a btb thursday? oh that's right, no excuses spurs fans!

anyway, lebron is fine

[1Parker1]

Why are the Cavs afraid of the paint?

Cuz the All NBA Defender Amare is down there. :lol

[JMarkJohns]

please stop twisting around my arguments so you can take a shot at me. so yeah by going by that exact regular season logic of yours then the bulls >> suns

How? Suns beat the Bulls this year. And since your guage for greatness is their regular season record against random teams...

Chicago > Dallas (so says Chicago's 96-85 win)

Nothing being twisted here.

Everytime you contend that the 2-0 record vs. Phoenix is the reason for why Dallas is better, then the 0-1 record vs. Chicago says they are better than you by the very same logic.

This, of course, is not the case in reality, but you seem to have lost touch, so to you and your ilk, this sort of round and round logic makes sense.

[ponky]

Why are the Cavs afraid of the paint?


lol, most teams are that way when they play the suns...problem is, very few teams can match the suns when it comes to shooting jumpers. this is partly why i think the spurs will do well against them, parker can drive, timmy can get fed in the paint and manu can do either

[hitmanyr2k]

How? Suns beat the Bulls this year. And since your guage for greatness is their regular season record against random teams...

Chicago > Dallas (so says Chicago's 96-85 win)

Nothing being twisted here.

Everytime you contend that the 2-0 record vs. Phoenix is the reason for why Dallas is better, then the 0-1 record vs. Chicago says they are better than you by the very same logic.

This, of course, is not the case in reality, but who seem to have lost touch, so to you and your ilk, this sort of round and round logic makes sense.

Logic and Mavs fans don't mix :lol

[nsrammstein]

lmaooo@ hubie brown just exposed the suns
suns 20 wins against the east 16-7 against the west

[JMarkJohns]

lmaooo@ hubie brown just exposed the suns
suns 20 wins against the east 16-7 against the west

With five of those losses coming in the season's first two weeks.

They are 15-2 vs. the West since. Only losses coming vs. Utah and Dallas.

[1Parker1]

Lisa Salters asks the dumbest questions...:lol

[nsrammstein]

Only losses coming vs. Utah and Dallas.

says it all. no need for more argument.

[hitmanyr2k]

Lisa Salters asks the dumbest questions...:lol

I know lol.

Lisa: "How do all of you score in double-figures?"

Amare: "We pass the ball and hit shots bitch"

You know that's what he's thinking.

[Amare_32]

I know lol.

Lisa: "How do all of you score in double-figures?"

Amare: "We pass the ball and hit shots bitch"

You know that's what he's thinking.


:lol
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[1Parker1]

I know lol.

Lisa: "How do all of you score in double-figures?"

Amare: "We pass the ball and hit shots bitch"

You know that's what he's thinking.

:lol

Lisa: "How does it feel to be going for an NBA Championship as your goal?"

Amare: "Feels great." Duh.

[JMarkJohns]

says it all. no need for more argument.

Says what? Two one-basket losses on the road. OK, yeah, those teams are SOOOOO much better than the Suns. If you're counting on every situation to duplicate itself in the playoffs, something tells me you'll be in for a surprise.

You can't always count on the bounces. If you think that two road losses by a total of five points to teams that were incredably hot at the time dictates greatness, then that's you.

As someone said previously, we as fans of the Suns and Mavs can only daydream about greatness, since neither of our teams have ever won anything.

But hey, go ahead and take your 2-0 record vs. Phoenix and use it as a prop for your delusions of grandeur. But, in order to do so, I'll remind you of that Chicago loss. Turns out if Dallas is the best in the West, that since Chicago beat them, the Bulls are now even better. But then, what do we do with the 1-0 record of Phoenix vs. Chicago? EEK!

[nsrammstein]

lol dude i said something about chicago winning a championship a decade ago and all of a sudden you comeback with bulls >> mavs.

[JMarkJohns]

lol dude i said something about chicago winning a championship a decade ago and all of a sudden you comeback with bulls >> mavs.

Using your regular season record logic. Don't act shy. You introduced it to this thread. It made the rounds. It's your date within this train of thought. She's all yours.

You said Dallas' 2-0 records vs. Phoenix clearly means that the Mavs are better. So since this is the case in your world, the same logic says that since the Bulls beat the Mavs, that the Bulls are better than the Mavs.

You can't have it both ways.

This is why it's round and round logic. There's no real answer. It's why only fools state regular season record as fact and use it to prop up their delusions of grandeur. The only bit of importance the regular season has on good teams is deciding homecourt for the playoffs.

[ponky]

Says what? Two one-basket losses on the road. OK, yeah, those teams are SOOOOO much better than the Suns. If you're counting on every situation to duplicate itself in the playoffs, something tells me you'll be in for a surprise.

You can't always count on the bounces. If you think that two road losses by a total of five points to teams that were incredably hot at the time dictates greatness, then that's you.

As someone said previously, we as fans of the Suns and Mavs can only daydream about greatness, since neither of our teams have ever won anything.

But hey, go ahead and take your 2-0 record vs. Phoenix and use it as a prop for your delusions of grandeur. But, in order to do so, I'll remind you of that Chicago loss. Turns out if Dallas is the best in the West, that since Chicago beat them, the Bulls are now even better.

Actually this season, we have been able to count on the bounces for many of our wins which is invaluable when playing close games against better teams. This is one of the reasons the Spurs have almost always kicked our ass in the past when the games were close. Dirk has been more clutch than I've ever seen him be, which is huge because I don't usually consider him to be that kind of guy. Trying to *omit* the first two weeks of the season, where late in the second week the Spurs and Mavs beat the Suns, is just as weak as mentioning the 2-0 record that the Mavs have against the Suns.

BTW, I'm not saying that either team is better, I'm just saying that your argument is no less weak than the Mavs poster. No, you can't dictate greatness when one team beats another team in close games, but there IS a reason that some teams consistently beat you when the games are close (eg Spurs v. mavs two years ago)....it's because they CAN rely on the *bounce* more often than not.

[Amare_32]

Actually this season, we have been able to count on the bounces for many of our wins which is invaluable when playing close games against better teams. This is one of the reasons the Spurs have almost always kicked our ass in the past when the games were close. Dirk has been more clutch than I've ever seen him be, which is huge because I don't usually consider him to be that kind of guy. Trying to *omit* the first two weeks of the season, where late in the second week the Spurs and Mavs beat the Suns, is just as weak as mentioning the 2-0 record that the Mavs have against the Suns.

I am not trying to demean the Mavs by any means. If we go by the other Mavs fans logic then since the Spurs are 0-2 vs Lakers the Lakers will beat them in the playoffs.
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[ponky]

I am not trying to demean the Mavs by any means. If we go by the other Mavs fans logic then since the Spurs are 0-2 vs Lakers the Lakers will beat them in the playoffs.

sounds fine to me! :lol :lol :lol

actually, i still wanna see how this rodeo trip goes but i may prefer to see the spurs over the lakers in the playoffs

[SoCal Lakeshow]

I am not trying to demean the Mavs by any means. If we go by the other Mavs fans logic then since the Spurs are 0-2 vs Lakers the Lakers will beat them in the playoffs.
The Lakers will

[ponky]

The Lakers will

lol at your sig

[Amare_32]

sounds fine to me! :lol :lol :lol

actually, i still wanna see how this rodeo trip goes but i may prefer to see the spurs over the lakers in the playoffs

I agree with an earlier post you made. The Spurs are clearly not the same ass kicking Spurs we have seen the last few years. Granted thier record is great but there is someting missing on that team.
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[SoCal Lakeshow]

lol at your sig
:lol :lol

[tempe85]

actually I am proud that the mavs have only lost 2 out of the last 23 games because in that span the mavs have actually beaten pretty good competition against quality teams not like the suns .300% schedule thus far.

I bet then you'll be surprised to hear that the Mavs opponents have only a 1.9% better record than the Suns opponents.

Also the Suns rank #1 in expected win percentage http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi which factors in SOS and point differential... furthermore the Suns rank #1 in the Sagarin rankings which factor in wins vs top teams as well as strength of schedule http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin.htm. Furthermore the Suns rank #1 in Hollinger's rankings which factors in SOS, Win Margin, and recent play http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerranking .

Not looking so good for your argument is it?

Another thing I think worth mentioning is that the Suns only loses this season have come by 8, 4, 6, 5 (OT), 7, 3 (OT), 5 (OT), and 2. Which means the last time a team beat the Suns by more than 2 points in regulation was 38 games ago... and they have yet to lose by more than 8 points which means they've had a shot at winning every game they've played this year... making them at the very least quality loses.

The Mavs meanwhile have lost by 6, 31, 3, 18, 9, 10, 22, 13, and 11. Meaning 7 of the Mav 9 loses have been worse than all 8 of the Suns loses... 6 of the loses being very non-quality loses (meaning luck and chance had little to do with the loss).

One reason I find this important and relevant is that it is a good indicator for future success.

[ponky]

I bet then you'll be surprised to hear that the Mavs opponents have only a 1.9% better record than the Suns opponents.

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let it die

[JMarkJohns]

Actually this season, we have been able to count on the bounces for many of our wins which is invaluable when playing close games against better teams. This is one of the reasons the Spurs have almost always kicked our ass in the past when the games were close. Dirk has been more clutch than I've ever seen him be, which is huge because I don't usually consider him to be that kind of guy.

I'm not saying you can't necessarily count on your players come playoff time. Merely that all the small things are very unlikely to exactly duplicate in the playoffs as they had in the regular season, thus propping a team up because they happened to got an extra bounce or two in the regular season matchup is foolish. It's been said over and over, but the Heat really are a great example of that. Some teams break down as the season goes on, some teams get better. So what happened in November or even January isn't as good a guage as some are pretending it to be.


Trying to *omit* the first two weeks of the season, where late in the second week the Spurs and Mavs beat the Suns, is just as weak as mentioning the 2-0 record that the Mavs have against the Suns.

No one is *omitting* the first few weeks. But it is pertanent that both the Suns and Mavs started off slowly, then steadily improved. You can't dismiss what happened in the early part of the season as if it didn't occur, but you can say a team has improved from that point by saying their 1-5 start isn't as good an indicator of their future potential as is their current play.

Understand? Again, a great example of this was the Heat last year. They started off terribly, worked their way through, losing some hard-fought contests to some good teams along the way, then, at their peak, managed to win the Title. Was their early season struggles a good measure of their ability? As good as their mid-to-late season progress? I don't think so.


BTW, I'm not saying that either team is better

That's good, because neither am I, though I do agree that until the Suns beat San Antonio or Dallas they haven't earned all the hype they are receiving. Dallas has played better against the best teams than the Suns have. Still, to *omit* the Suns current progress on the back of their early season struggles is insane. Again, and even you agreed in the game thread of the Suns vs. Mavs that both teams could walk away happy knowing that it was a hard-fought contest decided by one single possession. Thus far, the best guage for where the Suns and Mavs are at was the late December meeting 'tween the two. If you can walk away from a one-possession win at home with confidense that everything come playoff time will bounce your way, then fine. I don't think either team can count on something like that. See the Suns 2-0 record in the final two games vs. the Mavs last season and their 2-4 series loss with relatively the same players in the playoffs. They may look great now, but that doesn't mean it always will play out that way. A one-possession home win and now many Mavs fans are spouting off as if they own the Suns. Please.


I'm just saying that your argument is no less weak than the Mavs poster.

Actually, you're mistaken. I just proved such above. Again, Dallas has played better vs. the best teams, but has been prone to let downs at times. The Suns have yet to have a letdown where they lose big. They have literally held second-half leads or been in every game late that they've played this season. Their level of consistancy is nothing to ignore, sneer at, *omit*...


No, you can't dictate greatness when one team beats another team in close games, but there IS a reason that some teams consistently beat you when the games are close (eg Spurs v. mavs two years ago)....it's because they CAN rely on the *bounce* more often than not.

That simply isn't the way things are. The only thing you can count on is how well you play yourself. As I showed, Dallas is a better up team, but also an up and down team. The Suns, even when they struggled, weren't necessarily down, as they were unlucky with a few bounces. Remember the Raja Bell's throw out of bounds late vs. the Mavs? That's what I mean by unlucky. The Suns had a chance late, but beacuse of a mixup, blew it. Can the Mavs count on Nash faking one way then running in the opposite direction as Bell throws the ball in the direction of Nash's fake?

I don't think so. That's probably been worked on and the periferals dealt with. If the Suns need a crucial basket late again and Bell is being pressured with his dribble already picked up, I'm sure they have something worked out now. That they'll all be on the same page.

The one thing I'll give the Mavs is that they rebound very well. That's always something you can count on. That works in their favor. Everything else is subjective, as it depends on the opponant, the way the refs work the game and how well they are playing at that specific time.

Tell me, did the Suns 2-0 finish vs. the Mavs last season give them the momentum necessary to beat the Mavs in the playoffs? What's that? No! So if a Suns fan used the 2-0 finish as a prop up for what was coming in the playoffs they'd have been wrong in doing so?

Well then...

[JMarkJohns]

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let it die

I'd say the Mavs fan who came in guns a blazin' cared.

When confronted with facts, he failed to care.

Remember, I actually agree that the Suns have been very fortunate and that these streaks have come against many lesser teams annd for that said streaks should be viewed more of a blessing than a sign, but you can't dismiss two 15-game winstreaks for the hell of it.

And that's the point.

[Amare_32]

I'd say the Mavs fan who came in guns a blazin' cared.

When confronted with facts, he failed to care.

Remember, I actually agree that the Suns have been very fortunate and that these streaks have come against many lesser teams annd for that said streaks should be viewed more of a blessing than a sign, but you can't dismiss two 15-game winstreaks for the hell of it.

And that's the point.

Lets see what the Mavs fans say when the Mavs in the 2nd half of the season get to beat up on the Eastern Conference. I bet they won't dismiss the win streak.
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[bulletedge]

It's all masturbation until the playoffs. The Suns have put together two incredible winning streaks. The Mavs have had a couple of pretty good ones themselves. All that tells us is that right now they have the two best regular season records- and that they are both hungry and feel like they have something to prove.

But either team would trade their streaks in a heartbeat for a WCF series win and a ticket to the Finals.

[nsrammstein]

Don't be surprised to see the suns bounced out in the 2nd round. They will soon realize that not all of their schedule is made up of teams that are 10 games under .500%

[Amare_32]

Don't be surprised to see the suns bounced out in the 2nd round. They will soon realize that not all of their schedule is made up of teams that are 10 games under .500%

Whatever like the other Mavs fans said is all mastubation until the playoffs. So go grab you lotion and get to work.
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[RS189]

They will soon realize that not all of their schedule is made up of teams that are 10 games under .500%

You got something against the kings? :madrun

[Shank]

Quick - run for the stats!

[Amare_32]

Don't be surprised to see the suns bounced out in the 2nd round. They will soon realize that not all of their schedule is made up of teams that are 10 games under .500%

Is almost comical that some Mavs fans are hoping that the Suns lose in the semis. Are you scared of the thought of facing a healthy Suns team in the West Finals? In fact they were not even 100% in the 05 semis when they eliminated Dallas. After Stackhouse almost took Joe Johnson's head off.