Kobe suspended 1 game

[Pistons < Spurs]

I am interested in seeing Pop's reaction to this as well...if I were Pop I'd be shitting a gold brick over the prospect of this sort of play being suspension worthy.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59151

[ArgSpursFan]

If he didn't hit manu's head then no there would be no suspension.

you can´t just go by the would´ve ,should´ve..
They guy hited other player´s face.
And I don´t think he tried to hurt him but he tried to get him off him and ocationally hited manu´s face.But it´s still a faul.I think they gave him a game suspention cause the faul wasn´t call at that time,It could benefit the lakers.good thing we won in OT.

[ShoogarBear]

Getting carelessly nailed in the head is key to this suspension so i would say if Manu didn't get hit Kobe wouldn't be suspended.Then I would say it makes no sense.

It will be interesting to see what happens the next time any player gets hit in the face/head unintentionally. The League just set a precedent.

[Kori Ellis]

I think it all comes down to the rule I posted earlier in this thread:


Officials have been instructed to eject a player who throws a punch, whether or not it connects, or an elbow which makes contact above shoulder level. If elbow contact is shoulder level or below, it shall be left to the discretion of the official as to whether the player is ejected. Even if a punch or an elbow goes undetected by the officials during the game, but is detected during a review of a videotape, that player will be penalized.

So since they didn't eject him at the time, they suspended him after.

[TheNextGen]

Then I would say it makes no sense.

It will be interesting to see what happens the next time any player gets hit in the face/head unintentionally. The League just set a precedent.

this is exaclty what im scared of, especiall having Bowen, Duncan and Ginobli on the team.

[Tek_XX]

this is exaclty what im scared of, especiall having Bowen, Duncan and Ginobli on the team.

Do these people have a history of flailing??

[resistanze]

I think it all comes down to the rule I posted earlier in this thread:



So since they didn't eject him at the time, they suspended him after.

This assumes intent by the player, right?

[mikejones99]

Most people eat at the Olive garden too, that doesn't make it a good place to eat. He deserved a 3 game suspention and a $50,000 fine.

[TheNextGen]

Do these people have a history of flailing??

Do you not watch the Spurs??
:dramaquee

[TheNextGen]

Most people eat at the Olive garden too, that doesn't make it a good place to eat. He deserved a 3 game suspention and a $50,000 fine.

Oh please don't tell me you got 978 of these type of post?

[Kori Ellis]

This assumes intent by the player, right?

Nope.

[Kori Ellis]

Oh please don't tell me you got 978 of these type of post?

He does. But he also mixes in a lot of hate for women along the way:lol

[Tek_XX]

Do you not watch the Spurs??
:dramaquee

Yeah i watch them alot but i don't see them hitting people in the head too much so explain how they're worse then anyone else in the league.

[ShoogarBear]

Nope.Like I said, this is going to be a huge can of worms the next time somebody gets slapped in the face.

[2Cleva]

I think it all comes down to the rule I posted earlier in this thread:



So since they didn't eject him at the time, they suspended him after.

Makes sense but you would think a fine would cover it.

[TheNextGen]

Yeah i watch them alot but i don't see them hitting people in the head too much so explain how they're worse then anyone else in the league.

:drunk :hat :toast

[ChumpDumper]

Makes sense but you would think a fine would cover it.I guess game time has to be missed. Can't suspend him for a quarter.

[Kori Ellis]

Makes sense but you would think a fine would cover it.

That's what I would have expected as well.

[resistanze]

Damn, you could get suspended for hitting a person accidentally in the face? National Bitch Association

[Kori Ellis]

I guess game time has to be missed. Can't suspend him for a quarter.

I don't think that game time has to be missed. I think it's up to the league what the penalty should be, if they miss the ejection.

[whottt]

Players get hit in the face about 60 times per game on avg...this is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. If a player is blocking a shot and hits someone in the face is that going to be a suspension too?


This is the first time someone has caught an elbow in the face all season?


It's ludicrous.

Someone is on some serious crack and it aint me.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Like I said, this is going to be a huge can of worms the next time somebody gets slapped in the face.


Agreed, a very slippery slope.

It wasn't that long ago when Shaq nearly decapitated Big Ben in the playoffs with a vicious elbow(2005?). No foul, no ejection, no suspension.

[whottt]

We'll at least we finally found a way to solve our SF problems...just hire Johnny Knoxville or some other pain freak to come out and face dive into Bron Bron's elbows...problem solved.

Stupid.

[TheNextGen]

Agreed, a very slippery slope.

It wasn't that long ago when Shaq nearly decapitated Big Ben in the playoffs with a vicious elbow(2005?). No foul, no ejection, no suspension.

Didnt Shaq also throw a forearm to Bynums neck? Also no foul, suspention or fine.

[LilMissSPURfect]

NBA is just preparing themselves for the playoffs.....errrrr one wants to see a LAKER / SPURS series.... they don't want funny stuff in the playoffs so the nip it by the bud early so it won't look to obvious like it did with the heat and mavs....


what a shamockery!

[Pero]

oops *

[Pero]

We'll at least we finally found a way to solve our SF problems...just hire Johnny Knoxville or some other pain freak to come out and face dive into Bron Bron's elbows...problem solved.

Stupid.

You must be kidding. LeBron would get two (three) free throws and Knoxville would be suspended for the season.
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[Rummpd]

Suspension overdone = player they did it too and subsequent media reaction = priceless!

[ChumpDumper]

You guys are acting like the league is going to be consistent with this kind of call.

:lol @ you.

[hitmanyr2k]

Someone tell me since the season started last year who has a higher body count of bloodying players or giving black eyes than Kobe Bryant? He's the 2nd coming of Karl Malone :lol

Body count....

Victim #1....Raja Bell. After getting tangled with Raja during a rebound attempt Kobe throws a forearm to Raja's face bloodying his nose and lip. No suspension.

Victim #2....Mike Miller. Kobe gives a forearm to the throat. He gets a suspension here but only because he stupidly talks about "defending his house" after the game which made it sound intentional (and it was).

Victim #3...Dirk Nowitzki. Kobe goes up and does his flail-"HEY" maneuver and his elbow "accidentally" catches Dirk in the face...gives Dirk a black eye. The hilarious part about the whole thing is Dirk got the foul :lol :lol

Victim #4...Manu Ginobili. After a clean block Kobe decides to unnaturally swing his arm back to Ginobili's head. Bloody nose, bloody mouth and a black eye.

Now when you add all this up (and I'm sure there are more things that I missed...feel free to add) the league has got to start looking at the guy and the shit he pulls. Even Bruce Bowen hasn't left this many players injured in his wake in a season and a half span :lol The league is sending Kobe a clear message....stop injuring people with your bitch antics.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Didnt Shaq also throw a forearm to Bynums neck? Also no foul, suspention or fine.




http://www.nba.com/media/bynum_200_060116b.jpg

[cheguevara]

Now when you add all this up (and I'm sure there are more things that I missed...feel free to add)

He also raped a white girl a couple of years ago.

[timvp]

How many games was Manu suspended for earlier this year when he elbowed Raja Bell in the chest? Bell missed two games because of the elbow.

Surely I forgot the games in which Manu was suspended.

[Kori Ellis]

How many games was Manu suspended for earlier this year when he elbowed Raja Bell in the chest? Bell missed two games because of the elbow.

Surely I forgot the games in which Manu was suspended.

Chest isn't above the shoulders. I think that's the league's issue.

[hitmanyr2k]

He also raped a white girl a couple of years ago.

:lol

[cheguevara]

How many games was Manu suspended for earlier this year when he elbowed Raja Bell in the chest? Bell missed two games because of the elbow.

Surely I forgot the games in which Manu was suspended.

I'm gonna pretend to beleive this accusation. Your whole argument is moot cause it was an elbow to the chest not the head.

Manu is a lover, he himself said it. Kobe on the other hand according to himself, is a tru warrier

[timvp]

Chest isn't above the shoulders. I think that's the league's issue.

Got it.

So players can injure other players with intentional elbows as long as they are below the shoulders. But if you accidentally hit someone above the shoulders, it's a suspension ... even if that player doesn't get hurt.

Nice.

[ShoogarBear]

Although I kinda like the idea of Johnny Knoxville getting his face caved in.

[ploto]

Players get hit in the face about 60 times per game on avg...this is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. If a player is blocking a shot and hits someone in the face is that going to be a suspension too?
Where was Battie's suspension? :lol

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6761/rashorapt29cj8.jpg

[cheguevara]

Got it.

So players can injure other players with intentional elbows as long as they are below the shoulders. But if you accidentally hit someone above the shoulders, it's a suspension ... even if that player doesn't get hurt.

Nice.

see, those extra reading comprehension classes weren't a waste after all. :smokin

[ChumpDumper]

Could we have one thread that doesn't become about Rasho?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Chest isn't above the shoulders. I think that's the league's issue.


It doesn't say that. It says elbow above the shoulders is an immediate ejection. Below is up to the officials discretion. All punches or elbows will be reviewed. At least that's how I read it.

[Kori Ellis]

Got it.

So players can injure other players with intentional elbows as long as they are below the shoulders. But if you accidentally hit someone above the shoulders, it's a suspension ... even if that player doesn't get hurt.

Nice.

I didn't make the rule. :lol
But the rule is that if you hit someone with an elbow above the shoulders, you are supposed to get ejected.

If they don't eject you, they can review the tape and act upon it later.

They did.

I don't think he should have gotten suspended either, but if they are going to cut down on blows to the head, suspending someone of the caliber if Kobe was a good way to get started.

[ploto]

Could we have one thread that doesn't become about Rasho?
It's just the example picture I have on my computer. I can look for many others- it happens every game.

[mikejones99]

Kobe did NOT rape anyone. He did pay a colorado hooker about a million for the sex though.

[Kori Ellis]

It doesn't say that. It says elbow above the shoulders is an immediate ejection. Below is up to the officials discretion. All punches or elbows will be reviewed. At least that's how I read it.

What did I say differently?

I'm saying in this particular case, their issue is that they are trying to cut down blows to the head.

(By the way, when Manu hit Raja Bell - I thought Raja flopped himself to the ground and got injured on impact with the floor.)

[LilMissSPURfect]

the moral of the story is: Ya can't mess with my toot toot!

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:p: :p: :p: :p: :p: :p: :p: :p:

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Chest isn't above the shoulders. I think that's the league's issue.

so basically Finley is a dickhead then, coz Terry was suspended for punching him in the nuts and they must be above his shoulders.

:smokin

[TheNextGen]

lemme go through a list of things that happened last year:

- Josh Howard tries to take Kobe's head off during the 62-point game. Result: Simple foul. Kobe gets 2 FTs.

- during the same game, Kobe gets fouled by Dirk and slings the arms, giving Dirk a shiner. Result: Kobe gets 2 FTs.

- Kobe and Wade playing rough on Christmas Day, Wade takes offense, and as Kobe is catching the ball in the post, Wade throws an elbow into Kobe's unsuspecting ribs. Result: Flagrant foul is called, no suspensions.

- After these 3-4 things happened in the span of about a week, Kobe gets opened up by a flailing Mike Miller...gets stitches. Kobe feels he's being targeted, and repays Miller as he comes down the lane. Result - 2 game suspension.

- Kobe gets hit on the forehead in a potential game-winning situation in Game 1 by Tim Thomas. Result: One golfball sized pumpknot on Kobe and a Lakers loss, no call is made.

- Same series, Kobe and Raja playing rough the entire series. Raja continues to put his face in harm's way and catches a shoulder. Raja then clotheslines Kobe to the floor and stares at him. Result: Raja is tossed and 1 game suspension.

How the (bleep) can anyone say that there is consistency in anything the NBA does?

[ShoogarBear]

The bottom line is the league is being disingenuous when they say they don't take intent into account. Except in cases where there is a punch or an elbow above the chest, which is clearly specified as an ejection unless you are Shaq, they absolutely are trying to determine what they think is intent. Otherwise there is no logic to this suspension versus other incidents.

[LilMissSPURfect]

so basically Finley is a dickhead then, coz Terry was suspended for punching him in the nuts and they must be above his shoulders.

:smokin


dang seems like it ehy? :lol :lol :lol :lol

[ChumpDumper]

so basically Finley is a dickhead then, coz Terry was suspended for punching him in the nuts and they must be above his shoulders.

:smokinNo, that was a punch. That's automatic.

[Laker4ever]

Do these people have a history of flailing??

Seriously? Flailing is not the question here.Making contact aboe the shoulders is.

[TheNextGen]

http://www.nba.com/media/bynum_200_060116b.jpg
that was a double tech... :rolleyes

[whottt]

As often as Duncan gets hit in the eyes we could see some ejection records fall before this season is over.

[Laker4ever]

Someone tell me since the season started last year who has a higher body count of bloodying players or giving black eyes than Kobe Bryant? He's the 2nd coming of Karl Malone :lol

Body count....

Victim #1....Raja Bell. After getting tangled with Raja during a rebound attempt Kobe throws a forearm to Raja's face bloodying his nose and lip. No suspension.

Victim #2....Mike Miller. Kobe gives a forearm to the throat. He gets a suspension here but only because he stupidly talks about "defending his house" after the game which made it sound intentional (and it was).

Victim #3...Dirk Nowitzki. Kobe goes up and does his flail-"HEY" maneuver and his elbow "accidentally" catches Dirk in the face...gives Dirk a black eye. The hilarious part about the whole thing is Dirk got the foul :lol :lol

Victim #4...Manu Ginobili. After a clean block Kobe decides to unnaturally swing his arm back to Ginobili's head. Bloody nose, bloody mouth and a black eye.

Now when you add all this up (and I'm sure there are more things that I missed...feel free to add) the league has got to start looking at the guy and the shit he pulls. Even Bruce Bowen hasn't left this many players injured in his wake in a season and a half span :lol The league is sending Kobe a clear message....stop injuring people with your bitch antics.

Wow how old are you 12?

[timvp]

When Barry got elbowed in the nose by Zach Randolph a few weeks ago, why wasn't he suspended? That was an elbow above the shoulders.

[samikeyp]

Greg Anthony is saying now on ESPN that this sort of thing is the kind that the Spurs would have to call the league about in order for this suspension to happen. Do we know this has happened?

[Kori Ellis]

Appeal Denied

Kobe suspended tonight vs. Knicks

By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com


Kobe Bryant was so stunned and angered by his one-game suspension, he took the extraordinary step Tuesday of asking NBA commissioner David Stern to convene an immediate appeal hearing.

Shortly before 5 p.m. ET the league turned down that request, meaning Bryant had to sit out the Los Angeles Lakers' game against the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden on Tuesday night.

Bryant was staying at the Lakers' team hotel just a few blocks from NBA headquarters in Manhattan and was on call to dash down Fifth Avenue to Stern's office if the request was granted. But barring the unlikeliest turn of events, Bryant was officially banned from the Garden for the Lakers' only visit of the season to play the Knicks.

"This is not the process we use at the NBA," Stu Jackson, executive vice president of player operations, said of Braynt's request during a conference call on Tuesday evening. "Certainly in theory, given the fact that the Lakers were in New York, we could have heard an appeal, but we never have. That's not our process."

"I've been waiting to play here, it's always been a fun place for me to play here, and I'm surprised. Shocked, by it, actually," Bryant said before his appeal was denied. "I unintentionally caught Manu Ginobili. What do you say, it's a basketball game. You unintentionally catch people with elbows every once in a while."

The suspension, for elbowing Ginobili while Bryant was attempting a jump shot late in the Lakers' game against the Spurs on Sunday, caught Bryant completely off-guard.

"I haven't seen a precedence for this. There's unintentional elbows that take place in a game all the time," Bryant told reporters at Madison Square Garden following the Lakers' shootaround. "I'm blown away by it. It makes no sense."

The NBA news release announcing the suspension said Bryant was being penalized for "striking" Ginobili.

"And the fact that this action by Kobe was an unnatural basketball act," Jackson added Tuesday evening.

Players association officials said it was highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for a player to be suspended for inadvertent contact.


Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN Insider. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[Laker4ever]

He also raped a white girl a couple of years ago.

Keep it up.You're a prime example of class.

[Kori Ellis]

Greg Anthony is saying now on ESPN that this sort of thing is the kind that the Spurs would have to call the league about in order for this suspension to happen. Do we know this has happened?

I don't know if they called or not. But things get reviewed by the league all the time without calls, so Anthony is wrong.

[wildbill2u]

Terry's suspension wasn't weak. Let me rabbit punch you in the nuts and then we'll see whats weak.

I think it was pretty damn obvious Kobe did this on purpose. I don't think he intended to hit Manu in the face, but his swing out was intending to hit Manu without a doubt, and when you make contact with the face the way you do its not to be taken lightly. In fact, that hit almost cost the Spurs the game. Go back and watch how long it took him to get back in the game and how that was when the Lakers went on their run in OT.

That being said, I think a fine would have been more than enough.
I agree that the move of his hand/arm was intentional--although the injury wasn't his purpose. Kobe was trying to recover from the block by drawing a foul. It was a smart move by a wily veteran.

Since it was intentional, he probably should get some sort of punishment but a fine would have made the point.

[timvp]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/SAA10801100414.jpg
WATCH OUT MANU YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE SUSPENDED!

[samikeyp]

I don't know if they called or not. But things get reviewed by the league all the time without calls, so Anthony is wrong.

Good. I don't think it was intentional. Didn't I read here somewhere that Manu, Bowen and Pop also not think it was on purpose?

[Kori Ellis]

Good. I don't think it was intentional. Didn't I read here somewhere that Manu, Bowen and Pop also not think it was on purpose?

Yes. But Pop said that the suspension isn't about intent, it's because it was a blow to the head.

[MannyIsGod]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/SAA10801100414.jpg
WATCH OUT MANU YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE SUSPENDED!
How often on jumpshots have you hit the guy behind you in the face? I know I've never even come close.

[timvp]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070127/capt.saa10301270201.grizzlies_spurs_basketball_saa 103.jpg



Suspension time.

:hungry:

[Kori Ellis]

How often on jumpshots have you hit the guy behind you in the face? I know I've never even come close.

He's not saying that Kobe didn't flail on purpose. He's saying that they've set a bad precedent if they are going to suspend everyone who accidentally hits someone above the shoulders while flailing.

[ShoogarBear]

How often on jumpshots have you hit the guy behind you in the face? I know I've never even come close.Are you gonna list now everything that Kobe does that you don't? :lol

[TheNextGen]

well..they denied the appeal. God i hope this doesnt ruin the league.

[samikeyp]

Yes. But Pop said that the suspension isn't about intent, it's because it was a blow to the head.

I would agree with that.

[LakeShow]

He also was accused of rape by a white whore a couple of years ago.

fixed

[Brutalis]

What the hell?

Kobe was trying to draw a foul.

Man, the Spurs always get the benifit of some weak azz suspensions. Artest and Terry in the playoffs last year were pretty weak ... and now this takes the cake.

Terry through a freaking punch at Finley's nads.

That was weak? Please...

[LakeShow]

well..they denied the appeal. God i hope this doesnt ruin the league.

This league is already ruined. I'm going to go even farther with this,

Question: Gino has been involved with a couple of these instances when he was struck by a player, and those players were suspended but he strikes a player and nothing is done. WTF? Is this a black and white issue :wtf ?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

This league is already ruined. I'm going to go even farther with this,

Question: Gino has been involved with a couple of these instances when he was struck by a player, and those players were suspended but he strikes a player and nothing is done. WTF? Is this a black and white issue :wtf ?

probably. Stern may have been a grand wizard b4 he landed this job

[whottt]

Manu's not white, he speaks spanish.

[LakeShow]

Manu's not white, he speaks spanish.

True.... how about a foreign player/ american player issue. Sterns is going out of his way to protect foreign players. Rule changes, no touch, etc...

[ChumpDumper]

This league is already ruined.And yet you still watch.
Is this a black and white issue?Absolutely. Stern is trying to run the black men out of the league.

[LakeShow]

And yet you still watch.Absolutely. Stern is trying to run the black men out of the league.

I still watch the Lakers but that is all I watch.

He can't run the blacks out of the league but he can get more foreign players in it, thus my comments. Dipshit!

[ChumpDumper]

He can't run the blacks out of the league but he can get more foreign players in it, thus my comments.More foreigners = fewer blacks, thus my comments.

[whottt]

True....


:tu, well he's halfwhite...cuz he does speak a little english as a second language, but then Kobe also speaks english as a first language which means he's white, plus he's speaks Italian which is white...so technically Kobe's over full blooded white whereas Manu's only 2/3 white at best...so shouldn't the foul have been called on Manu if racism was involved?



how about a foreign player/ american player issue. Sterns is going out of his way to protect foreign players. Rule changes, no touch, etc...


That's true...but you know, Manu didn't get the call against Dirk in the WCF last year....Dirk is German...which is white, however Stern is Jewish...so I dunno, it's bigger than I am.

[LakeShow]

More foreigners = fewer blacks, thus my comments.

Fewer blacks is totally different from running blacks out the league. :rolleyes

[cornbread]

Is this a black and white issue :wtf ?

:lol :lol :lol I'm in a library and you made me laugh outloud. I'm getting dirty looks from people so stop already.

[mardigan]

^^^Its probably because you look like Louie Anderson

[LakeShow]

:tu, well he's halfwhite...cuz he does speak a little english as a second language, but then Kobe also speaks english as a first language which means he's white, plus he's speaks Italian which is white...so technically Kobe's over full blooded white whereas Manu's only 2/3 white at best...so shouldn't the foul have been called on Manu if racism was involved?

:lol I bet kobe has been reminded several times over his lifetime that he is BLACK. Skin color determines ethicity in America no matter what the mixture, oh and if you have 1% black in you, you are black!



That's true...but you know, Manu didn't get the call against Dirk in the WCF last year....Dirk is German...which is white, however Stern is Jewish...so I dunno, it's bigger than I am.

[LakeShow]

:lol :lol :lol I'm in a library and you made me laugh outloud. I'm getting dirty looks from people so stop already.

It had to be addressed. Maybe you can explain how Manu gets away with it and Artest and Kobe didn't?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaame

[EVAY]

Kobe did NOT rape anyone. He did pay a colorado hooker about a million for the sex though.

You are quite wrong about this....I was in Colorado that summer and met the girl...and met all of the folks that worked with her...she was stupid, idiotic even, but she was also raped. Kobe even admitted as much when they finally settled the thing. He said in his formal statement that he was very sorry and that "I really thought it was consensual, but I can understand that (the girl) didn't see it that way.

Kobe is a good actor, and he knew exactly what he doing when he flailed out his arms. He was intending contact...he got it...and he got suspended for it. Everybody ought to get over this.

[mardigan]

I cant recall Manu ever being involved in a hitting in the face incident

[LakeShow]

I cant recall Manu ever being involved in a hitting in the face incident

You don't remember the Playoffs against the Kings? Manu clocked Artest good right in the chops. Artest retaliated and was suspended. Nothing for Manu

[LakeShow]

You are quite wrong about this....I was in Colorado that summer and met the girl...and met all of the folks that worked with her...she was stupid, idiotic even, but she was also raped. Kobe even admitted as much when they finally settled the thing. He said in his formal statement that he was very sorry and that "I really thought it was consensual, but I can understand that (the girl) didn't see it that way.

Kobe is a good actor, and he knew exactly what he doing when he flailed out his arms. He was intending contact...he got it...and he got suspended for it. Everybody ought to get over this.

She was also fucked by numerous men in 2 days, she also had 3 different mens semen in her nasty ass underwear. She was a tramp!

[ChumpDumper]

Fewer blacks is totally different from running blacks out the league. :rolleyesYou end up with fewer blacks when you run them out of the league. Just say you support a racist NBA and be done with it.

[mardigan]

What is going on here? Whos running blacks out of the league?

[mardigan]

You don't remember the Playoffs against the Kings? Manu clocked Artest good right in the chops. Artest retaliated and was suspended. Nothing for Manu
Yeah, I do remember that now, but I also know that if this had happened in the playoffs, no way Kobe would have been suspended

[ChumpDumper]

What is going on here? Whos running blacks out of the league?Exactly.

[FromWayDowntown]

I cant recall Manu ever being involved in a hitting in the face incident

my bad read that wrong.

[cornbread]

It had to be addressed. Maybe you can explain how Manu gets away with it and Artest and Kobe didn't?

It HAD to be addressed? Come on man. :rolleyes


To answer your question I might guess that it's a different season, different refs, different/new league initiatives, i don't know. Maybe you can explain half the stupid shit that Stern and his gang do. I can't and don't necessarily try to. But I do feel somewhat comfortable in assuming that the league doesn't have some vendetta against black people.

[EVAY]

She was also fucked by numerous men in 2 days, she also had 3 different mens semen in her nasty ass underwear. She was a tramp!


Your facts are quite wrong...the local D.A. up there said that dna evidence would stay on underclothes for months, through several washings, and there was zero evidence of recent sexual intercourse with anyone else. I don't think Kobe inteneded to hurt her...I think that he thought she would be thrilled. She started it (by her own admission) but then tried to stop it, and Kobe wouldn't or didn't stop. I'm really not trying to defend the girl...I already said she was an idiot...( if for no other reason than believing that you could flirt with a young nba stud and then stop it on a dime and expect him to beleive you)...but legally...it was rape.

[LakeShow]

It HAD to be addressed? Come on man. :rolleyes


To answer your question I might guess that it's a different season, different refs, different/new league initiatives, i don't know. Maybe you can explain half the stupid shit that Stern and his gang do. I can't and don't necessarily try to. But I do feel somewhat comfortable in assuming that the league doesn't have some vendetta against black people.

You know what, I certainly would like not to think that way but let's be real here, there appears to be a double standard here.

[LakeShow]

Your facts are quite wrong...the local D.A. up there said that dna evidence would stay on underclothes for months, through several washings, and there was zero evidence of recent sexual intercourse with anyone else. I don't think Kobe inteneded to hurt her...I think that he thought she would be thrilled. She started it (by her own admission) but then tried to stop it, and Kobe wouldn't or didn't stop. I'm really not trying to defend the girl...I already said she was an idiot...( if for no other reason than believing that you could flirt with a young nba stud and then stop it on a dime and expect him to beleive you)...but legally...it was rape.

Okay, but neither of us were there. Let's just leave it as it was. Kobe had his day in court and the girl dropped the charges. NO RAPE!

[ChumpDumper]

Guys, it's simple. The league doesn't like shots above the shoulders in the first place. Last week, they say they plan on cracking down on flopping. Sunday, Kobe hits a player in the face while flailing his arm trying to draw contact -- flopping.

Put them together and you get a larger penalty than you have been used to seeing in the past.

Factor in the known fact that Stu Jackson hates black people and you realize Kobe is lucky to still be in the league.

[mardigan]

Are you kidding me? This league would be no where if not for the hard work all the great black players have done in this league. The league has an all time high of black coaches in it, and the first black owner was established just a couple of years ago. I really cant believe we are really having this conversation, and that you actually believe this, your Kobe love is blinding you worse than Kobe blinded his wife with that 3million dollar ring after he got caught cheating

[mikejones99]

Artest did not get away with anything. If Kobe had raped Kate Faber in colorado, he would still be in jail. Kate took the cash from Kobe, thus proving she is a hooker, like most american woman that see rich celebrities. Any woman that goes to a mans hotel room after 10 pm should know that you be their for sex.

[mardigan]

Factor in the known fact that Stu Jackson hates black people and you realize Kobe is lucky to still be in the league.
Its true, he does hate black people

[cornbread]

You know what, I certainly would like not to think that way but let's be real here, there appears to be a double standard here.


Not a double standard. It's ONE example of inconsistency from one season to the next. The bad thing about this suspension is that the precedent has now been set and we will probably see more weak suspensions as the season goes on.

[Extra Stout]

Guys, it's simple. The league doesn't like shots above the shoulders in the first place. Last week, they say they plan on cracking down on flopping. Sunday, Kobe hits a player in the face while flailing his arm trying to draw contact -- flopping.

Put them together and you get a larger penalty than you have been used to seeing in the past.

Factor in the known fact that Stu Jackson hates black people and you realize Kobe is lucky to still be in the league.
Stu Jackson is an Uncle Tom, selling out Kobe Bryant to curry favor with the Man.

[cornbread]

Last week, they say they plan on cracking down on flopping. Sunday, Kobe hits a player in the face while flailing his arm trying to draw contact -- flopping.



Lakeshow 1,
This would fall under different/new initiatives by the league, hence an inconsistency from last season.

[Extra Stout]

You know what, I certainly would like not to think that way but let's be real here, there appears to be a double standard here.
You're right -- Manu Jewnobili's nose hit Kobe in the hand, and the white Jewish commissioner goes after Kobe. You'd like to think there's no conspiracy, but...

[WalterBenitez]

That is complete bullshit. No way was that deserving a suspension.
Stu was suspending people around for less than that hit

[WalterBenitez]

I don't think he intentionally hit him in the face. I think he intentionally was trying to draw a foul, and carelessly hit him in the face.

This was probably one of those situations when after reviewing the tape, since it was to the head and they didn't eject him, they decided to do something. I think suspension is a big overreaction though.

Pretty fair description, anyway ... as a player you live with consequences and Stu made his decision, personally I do agree with 1 game suspension, take a look this season ... many players got a 1 game suspension for sth similar.

[LakeShow]

Lakeshow 1,
This would fall under different/new initiatives by the league, hence an inconsistency from last season.

There has been nothing but discussion on that matter, as far as I know that is still in discussion.

If the rule that Kori posted is a new rule, i can accept that, but if that rule was in place last season, something is seriously wrong here.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol @ Laker's fans complaining about a double standard while their coach is asking for one.

[LakeShow]

:lol @ Laker's fans complaining about a double standard while their coach is asking for one.

Phil just wants Kobe to get the respect he deserves from the league. He gets pounded nightly with no calls. He deserves better.

[whottt]

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Best get while the gettin' is good LakerFan...the Church of Manu is here en masse...trust me, you don't want any part of them when something like this goes down.

[mikejones99]

it does not matter if it was an accident or not. If you run over someone with a car you still go to jail. Accident or not Kobe deserved the suspention.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

it does not matter if it was an accident or not. If you run over someone with a car you still go to jail. Accident or not Kobe deserved the suspention.


that might just be the dumbest post on the internet.

[ploto]

The claims here of the NBA's ruling are actually the OPPOSITE of what the NBA said- wherein they DID cite their perceived intention:


"We did not view this as an inadvertent action."

No foul was called on the play.

"This blow was so swift in real time that it's understandable why, in fact, an official would have missed the contact," Jackson said. "In our view, this was not an attempt to draw a foul."

[LakeShow]

Yeah, I do remember that now, but I also know that if this had happened in the playoffs, no way Kobe would have been suspended

Artest was

[LakeShow]

You end up with fewer blacks when you run them out of the league. Just say you support a racist NBA and be done with it.

You end up with no Blacks if you run them out the league.

[LakeShow]

Best get while the gettin' is good LakerFan...the Church of Manu is here en masse...trust me, you don't want any part of them when something like this goes down.

Bring it on.

[td4mvp21]

Bring it on.

OOOO what a hardass!

[ChumpDumper]

You end up with no Blacks if you run them out the league.
http://www.blackathlete.net/Images/blackbox/sjackson4.jpg
Soon....Soon....

[Don Quixote]

I love the quote Pop had about the whole situation -- for all he knew, Manu probably DID break his nose on the play.

Dude busts his butt every night for the Spurs. A true competitor and champion. That's why we should be thankful to have a guy like him on our team.

Remember the days when the Spurs were considered "soft"? Good, but soft? We dreamed about players who would draw charges and dive on the floor for balls. I'd say Manu fits the bill.

That said, Kobe's suspension is totally wrong. The hit didn't seem flagrant at all. Kobe and Manu are both competitors -- it's in their blood to do whatever it takes to win. And unless the foul (there was none even called on the play) was flagrant, there is no reason to discipline him.

The big losers are the fans who pay good money to see Kobe.

[td4mvp21]

Most people here are in agreement that it wasn't meant to hurt Manu and that Kobe seemed concerned and asked repeatedly about his well being.

Well what I want to know is why did he only swing out his right hand, the side Manu was on? He didn't swing out his left arm too like he was flailing. And just because Kobe was concerned with his well being doesn't mean anything. I've let my anger get the best of me and intentionally swung an elbow in a game before, but I still checked to see if the guy was alright. To me that doesn't matter. It looked weird to me.

[mardigan]

Artest wasDidnt realize Kobe is Artest

[Brutalis]

Well what I want to know is why did he only swing out his right hand, the side Manu was on? He didn't swing out his left arm too like he was flailing. And just because Kobe was concerned with his well being doesn't mean anything. I've let my anger get the best of me and intentionally swung an elbow in a game before, but I still checked to see if the guy was alright. To me that doesn't matter. It looked weird to me.

Cause he was pissed he got blocked. Simple.

[mardigan]

You end up with no Blacks if you run them out the league.
WHO THE FUCK IS RUNNING THEM OUT OF THE LEAGUE? Look at the rosters stupid, you will see the ratio is out of control, you really think the league wants to run the top jersey seller out of the league? Your arguments are becoming more and more ignorant as you post.

[td4mvp21]

Cause he was pissed he got blocked. Simple.

Oh I know, you could tell he got pissed too. I'm just asking the people who say it was an accident why he would only swing out one arm to draw contact, that happened to go right to Ginobili's face. It's not even fine worthy in my opinion but that doesn't change the intention.

[whottt]

Bottom line is that if they replaced Stern and Jackson with white people this kind of racist bullshit wouldn't be happening...

[LakeShow]

Didnt realize Kobe is Artest

He said that Kobe would not have been suspended if it had been the playoffs. I let him know that Artest was suspended in the playoffs. Pay attention!

[LakeShow]

WHO THE FUCK IS RUNNING THEM OUT OF THE LEAGUE? Look at the rosters stupid, you will see the ratio is out of control, you really think the league wants to run the top jersey seller out of the league? Your arguments are becoming more and more ignorant as you post.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste!

[ponky]

So some ESPN analyst said that this wouldn't have even been an issue with the league unless tape was sent in by the Spurs org? Is this true? Regardless of what you think about the hit (foul or not, intentional or not), I just wanna know if this is the case with the review.

[Cherry]

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Best get while the gettin' is good LakerFan...the Church of Manu is here en masse...trust me, you don't want any part of them when something like this goes down.

[mardigan]

That was me that said that, not he, my argument was that Artest was suspended then because of previous actions, Kobe would never be suspended had this happened in the playoffs, also do you remember Artests retaliation? He went after Manu, it was intentional

[mardigan]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste!
Yours? Probably not that terrible, actually

[ChumpDumper]

So some ESPN analyst said that this wouldn't have even been an issue with the league unless tape was sent in by the Spurs org? Is this true? Regardless of what you think about the hit (foul or not, intentional or not), I just wanna know if this is the case with the review.False. Every game is reviewed by the refs, and it's not like the league office doesn't know what happens during games. Teams can send in tapes, but it's not a necessary step for a play's being reviewed.

[mardigan]

False. Every game is reviewed by the refs, and it's not like the league office doesn't know what happens during games. Teams can send in tapes, but it's not a necessary step for a play's being reviewed.
Right, the refs have to watch every game to see if their calls were good or bad. Im sure they watched the tape, saw that that play should have been a foul at least, and probably over-reacted a little

[ponky]

False. Every game is reviewed by the refs, and it's not like the league office doesn't know what happens during games. Teams can send in tapes, but it's not a necessary step for a play's being reviewed.

I see. That's what I thought, just wasn't sure.

[LakeShow]

That was me that said that, not he, my argument was that Artest was suspended then because of previous actions, Kobe would never be suspended had this happened in the playoffs, also do you remember Artests retaliation? He went after Manu, it was intentional

My point exactly. The rules stat intent or not is a suspension.

[mardigan]

That didnt happen this year, new rules, new suspensions

[Cherry]

Pop said that the suspension isn't about intent, it's because it was a blow to the head.

That´s all folks :fight

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

heh, man this thread is long. But yeah, I think they suspended him, just to make those drawing contact think twice, because Manu got lucky he didn't get any more damage to his head. Broken nose, or worse...

If something worse happened a lot of you guys wouldn't be so defensive about Kobe.

This is just a precautionary measure for Kobe's exaggerated motion , which was RECKLESS regardless for his reasons.

[mardigan]

Good take^^^

[FromWayDowntown]

Marc Stein (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2748770&name=stein_marc) says that Ginobili actually said that the league shouldn't discipline Bryant at all and corroborates the notion that the suspension came because the league warned players in the preseason that they would be responsible for their elbows:


Spurs didn't see harm in Kobe's act

by: Marc Stein

Can't say I'm blown away, like Kobe Bryant.

But surprised?

Sure.

I was at Staples Center on Sunday afternoon and I certainly didn't expect Kobe to be tagged with a one-game suspension for catching Manu Ginobili with that elbow at the end of regulation. For a few reasons.

1. It all happened so fast in real time that most players in the vicinity didn't know what happened until seeing postgame replays.

2. You can't conclusively call it an intentional hit no matter how many times you watch it.

3. Of greatest significance, there was zero clamor from the Spurs for Bryant to be disciplined. There was minimal media attention devoted to the incident, until Monday morning, because prominent Spurs insisted that there was no incident.

Ginobili and coach Gregg Popovich immediately dismissed the notion that the hit was deliberate. "That's not his style," Pop said of Kobe after San Antonio's 96-94 overtime victory. Ginobili later told league security officials and the NBA Players Association that he hoped Bryant wouldn't be punished.

So why was Bryant's only Madison Square Garden appearance Tuesday abruptly canceled anyway?

It's not because of Kobe's past tangles with Mike Miller and Raja Bell. It's not because Manu is a master flopper, either. (I saw his face afterward and the welt under Ginobili's right eye couldn't have been more real.)

It's more about players being warned coming into the season, according to one league insider, that "you will be responsible for your elbows." Intentional or not.

The league, furthermore, classifies this hit as more than a mere elbow, which pretty much clinched a one-game ban. In an evening conference call with reporters, NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson said: "After [Bryant] followed through with a shot, he drove a stiff arm backwards in a hard motion and struck Ginobili in the head."

Jackson went on to call it an "unnatural basketball act" and made it clear that the league's justice department "did not view this as an inadvertent action."

Me?

I don't think Kobe was trying to draw a foul, as initially and widely assumed. It looks to me more like Bryant, who does appear to be guilty of swinging with some undeniable frustration, was mostly trying to keep nearby Spurs away from the loose ball after his potential game-winning jumper was blocked.

Yet we can debate his intent and posit theories all day. None of it really matters if the Spurs coming to Bryant's defense -- given the depth of the teams' rivalry over the past decade, isn't that the big surprise here? -- couldn't spare him from suspension.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I don't THINK is was intentional either. However, Kobe is a little on the nutty side.

:lol true


I don't understand giving Kobe the benefit of the doubt here.

[WalterBenitez]

"you will be responsible for your elbows."
:wakeup jesus ... another extra responsibility ...

[resistanze]

You're right -- Manu Jewnobili's nose hit Kobe in the hand, and the white Jewish commissioner goes after Kobe. You'd like to think there's no conspiracy, but...

I was hoping you would've went with "Manu Jewnosebleed"

[bigfundamental21]

Kobe needed to be given some sort of punishment for what he did because it was an "unnatuaral" movement of his arm. Kobe is always getting away with shit, so it's about time he gets his. Now a suspension is harsh, but he did need a punishment. If it had been the other way around, Kobe and the Lakers would have been crying for a suspension.

[resistanze]

^^ So would you also agree that if it was the other way around, spurs fans would be outraged if Ginobili got suspended?

[ChumpDumper]

Gotta love lakerfan.
I know people want to send 100,000 emails to Stern or do bodily harm to Stu Jackson, but the reality is that none of that will matter to the NBA.

My solution? I'm boycotting all non-Lakers NBA games. I'm not watching them on TV or listening to them on the radio and I damn sure am not going to any of them in person until Stern retires or Stu Jackson is fired.Way to sacrifice there. Acting like pretty much every other NBA fan will certainly show the man who's the man.

[mardigan]

^^ So would you also agree that if it was the other way around, spurs fans would be outraged if Ginobili got suspended?
That was a violent elbow that could have done way more harm, and pleny of Spur fans have also said that it didnt warrent a suspension including me. If it was the other way around, I wouldnt like it, but I would understand it

[bigfundamental21]

Check out what the guys on ESPN are saying


[link removed]

[angel_luv]

Is that footage from Coast to Coast. I was just watching it live.
And so it begins...

[angel_luv]

:lol and the Knicks won! Love it!

[bigfundamental21]

No, it was just a segment on Sportscenter.

[mardigan]

^^Cant post youtube links homie

[ChumpDumper]

No, it was just a segment on Sportscenter.It was a YouTube video with game footage.

[Pablo Escobar]

what is it under on youtube

[angel_luv]

I watched the replay. I just can't see how it was incidental contact. When Kobe hit Gino, the ball was still pretty high up in the air.

It's not like the ball was right by both players and Kobe injured Gino as they both scrambled for the rebound.
Gino was on the floor and the ball was still falling.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Will Cook get suspended for his actions tonight? Did a similar thing to Kobe.

The league is out of control, there will be suspensions every week if they treat everyone the same.

They should worry about cracking down on flopping instead of accidental hits to the head. Id gladly see Reggie and Eddie suspended for a few games if it meant that Manu couldnt use the flop to sell 75% of his plays. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

I watched the replay. I just can't see how it was incidental contact. When Kobe hit Gino, the ball was still pretty high up in the air.

It's not like the ball was right by both players and Kobe injured Gino as they both scrambled for the rebound.
Gino was on the floor and the ball was still falling.

He flailed his arms on purpose, he wasn't going for the ball or anything. However, I don't think he meant to hit him in the face.

Manu apparently told the league that he didn't think Kobe should be suspended, but oh well. The league said since it was to the head and not a "basketball play", the suspension was warranted.

We'll see what happens next time Manu hits someone while flopping :lol

[mardigan]

I watched the replay. I just can't see how it was incidental contact. When Kobe hit Gino, the ball was still pretty high up in the air.

It's not like the ball was right by both players and Kobe injured Gino as they both scrambled for the rebound.
Gino was on the floor and the ball was still falling.
Yeah, the more I seeit, the less intentional it looks. At first I thought it was totally accidental, but I dont know....

[angel_luv]

He flailed his arms on purpose, he wasn't going for the ball or anything. However, I don't think he meant to hit him in the face.

Manu apparently told the league that he didn't think Kobe should be suspended, but oh well. The league said since it was to the head and not a "basketball play", the suspension was warranted.

We'll see what happens next time Manu hits someone while flopping :lol


Thanks for explaining the flailing. Like I said, what was it six pages ago :lol if Gino says it was an accident, I'll take his word.

[spurschick]

Best get while the gettin' is good LakerFan...the Church of Manu is here en masse...trust me, you don't want any part of them when something like this goes down.


:lol Nah, I think we all know that Manu's nose has a tendency to get in the way sometimes.

:lmao at the people who believed the comments about getting rid of black players in the NBA. :sucker

As someone already mentioned, there was recent mention about a crackdown on flopping and Kobe was clearly the first victim there. If Manu had flailed his arms and Kobe had gotten hit hard, Manu would be suspended. I see a lot of people talking about hits that had taken place before yesterday, but none of that matters. They've decided that it's what happens from this moment forward. Is it bad for the league? Maybe. But they got rid of the shitty ball and they've relaxed a bit on the complaining rule, so perhaps this was their way of sending notice that they're serious and, once they're satisfied that everyone got the message, things will settle down.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol Nah, I think we all know that Manu's nose has a tendency to get in the way sometimes.

:lmao at the people who believed the comments about getting rid of black players in the NBA. :sucker

...

Good use of the :sucker. I was thinking yesterday that it's rarely used.

[Purple & Gold]

The funny thing about this is that this new rule will affect the Spurs the most.

[ChumpDumper]

The funny thing about this is that this new rule will affect the Spurs the most.We'll be sure to whine about it for days on Laker boards.

[mardigan]

The funny thing about this is that this new rule will affect the Spurs the most.
Like I previously said, worst new poster of the year

[Purple & Gold]

We'll be sure to whine about it for days on Laker boards.
Of course you will, you do enough whining here for the whole internet.

[ChumpDumper]

:cry

[T Park]

I don't think he did it on purpose.

That being said, the downside of the Lakers being good again, is the obvious trolls and retarded Laker fan entering again.

[Purple & Gold]

Like I previously said, worst new poster of the year
First George Bush and now mardigan and chumpdumper.

WTF is wrong with Texas. :wtf

[mardigan]

1st of all dont compare me to George W., 2nd of all leave Texas the fuck out of this, 3rd of all, hmmm...I got nothing

[Purple & Gold]

1st of all dont compare me to George W., 2nd of all leave Texas the fuck out of this, 3rd of all, hmmm...I got nothing
OK Dubya

[spurschick]

:troll << notice the purple outfit

[ChumpDumper]

:lol lakerfan couldn't read through his tears that I thought the suspension was too much in this case.

[Cherry]

:troll << notice the purple outfit



:rollin :lol

[Purple & Gold]

:troll << notice the purple outfit
Coming from a Spurs fan I take that as a compliment.

[mardigan]

Fucking douche

[Purple & Gold]

:lol lakerfan couldn't read through his tears that I thought the suspension was too much in this case.
Really could care less of your opinion.

[ChumpDumper]

Really could care less of your opinion.Which is why you reply to all my posts, of course.

[Purple & Gold]

Fucking douche
Come on you can be more creative than that. I just used that one to describe your boyfriend.

[Purple & Gold]

Which is why you reply to all my posts, of course.
No I just like making you look stupid.

[Purple & Gold]

Allright laters Spursfans hope to see your panzy ass team in the playoffs. Will be a nice victory for the Lakers.

[ploto]

I see. That's what I thought, just wasn't sure.
I can't help but think, though, that extra attention is paid when it's a game on national, non-cable television.

[Cherry]

No I just like making you look stupid.


http://jenjen.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/shut_up_1.gif

just go to bed :lol :rolleyes

[ploto]

:lol and the Knicks won! Love it!
You shouldn't. Bad for the Raptors.

[picnroll]

If flailing is called Dirk is in big, big trouble. Mavs may not get out of the first round.

[Extra Stout]

The funny thing about this is that this new rule will affect the Spurs the most.
You can tell that the Lakers are winning when the 11-year-old children from SoCal start posting again.

[angel_luv]

You shouldn't. Bad for the Raptors.


Oh darn it. You're right. I take it back. Sorry Sho. :oops

[phxspurfan]

watching this on sportscenter now. it does look like an 'unnatural motion' as stu jackson labels it. kobe went up for the jumper, felt manu on his right and followed through after the shot with a right arm flail to the right (possibly to keep ginobili from getting to the loose ball). he probably didnt intend to hit him in the head though. unfortunate.

[Tek_XX]

I think it was possible that it was intentional. Manu wasn't exactly out of Kobes view when he layed the hammer down on his face. And lets face it Kobe is a liar and has questionalbe morals so i'm not gonna put it past him.

[SequSpur]

Kobe getting suspended for that play on Manu.... The NBA is fucking unwatchable now... He didn't deserve suspension. WTF? Is this fucking wrestling now? Skating?

WTF? The NBA is stupid.

[Melmart1]

It's bullshit that you started another fucking thread about this.

[SequSpur]

It's bullshit that you started another fucking thread about this.

It's different.

[ZStomp]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59123

[SequSpur]

:lol

Haters.

[SequSpur]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59170

[Holt's Cat]

Cool. I'm finally taller than someone.

[Fabbs]

Well the rule is that if you hit someone above the shoulders with an elbow, then you are supposed to be automatically ejected. And then if, for whatever reason, they don't eject you and the tape is reviewed, they can take action after that (suspension, fine, whatever).

So, if they deemed it an elbow, then obviously this suspension is because of the "no elbows above the shoulders" rule.
Kori or anyone who knows. As in for a fact.
Was this rule written after the Malice at the Palace?

Or has it been on the books for eons and just being enforced since the Malice?

[Cry Havoc]

It's bullshit that you started another fucking thread about this.

:bang Exactly. :bang

[johnpaulwall21]

Cool. I'm finally taller than someone.

who?

[ChumpDumper]

The NBA is fucking unwatchable nowWhy are you watching?

[TMTTRIO]

I'm just glad Manu's injury wasn't worse than it turned out to be especially dealing with his neck. Oh by the way Manu said that Kobe apologized to him.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA013107.01E.BKNspurs.bryant.1d87fd4.html
"He took a hell of a whack," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "Besides that hit, his neck really snapped. :( I thought he was really hurt." :(


After looking at replays, Ginobili also didn't think Bryant was making a normal follow-through motion after his shot. But he said Bryant apologized to him immediately after the incident and again after he returned in overtime.

"I don't know if he did it on purpose or not," Ginobili said. "What I can tell about the story is, first, I didn't have an argument (with Bryant). There was no threats, no elbows, nothing. He apologized. Those are the three things that involved me."

[Louie Vega]

They should suspend your Laker Lovin' ass from these message boards!

[MrChug]

Sequ...the new gay meat.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

hmmm...Gino's good for letting it slide and giving Kobe the benefit of the doubt.



But just because Kobe apologized right after, and later in OT, doesn't mean that his reaction wasn't a knee-jerk intentional reaction in response to getting stuffed.

Like people say, Kobe's a liar and kinda screwy. He coulda flailed in a madfit regardless of who owned his ass. Then out of the moment realizing. "oh no! My hero, Manu!!! What have I done!?"