WTC Steel Beams Found

[Crookshanks]

Hey! I'm still waiting on an answer to my question! Would the conspiracy theory still hold true if Al Gore had been the President on 9/11? Come on - you guys have all the answers - answer this one!

[mookie2001]

i havent talked about any movies in this whole thread

[ChumpDumper]

i havent talked about any movies in this whole threadYou've talked about points raised in Loose Change.

[mookie2001]

Hey! I'm still waiting on an answer to my question! Would the conspiracy theory still hold true if Al Gore had been the President on 9/11? Come on - you guys have all the answers - answer this one!yes if everything else was the same. Im not sure about mouse, but not one time in this whole thread did i say anything about Bush, so what the fuck are you talking about?

[clambake]

This is amazing. I suddenly have an undeniable urge to accuse some people of wearing tin foil hats.

[mookie2001]

ive never seen loose change, heard of it, never seen it

[ChumpDumper]

Great. Then you can link the source of your ID argument.

[Extra Stout]

This is amazing. I suddenly have an undeniable urge to accuse some people of wearing tin foil hats.
They say that tin actually amplifies the signal. Discerning conspiracy theorists are switching to lead.

[Extra Stout]

Great. Then you can link the source of your ID argument.
Do you really need to ask? mookie is the Sherlock Holmes of Victoria.

[mookie2001]

source of what? i didnt say they were alive, i said if you believe the FBIs ID, then you have to also believe theyre alive, based on name only. search for 911 hijackers on google

[mookie2001]

stout come off it, whats your obsession with Vic? I was raised in sa, and i live in austin now

[ChumpDumper]

based on name onlyThen you also have to believe I am children's book author.

[clambake]

He's right! I just found out there are 2 Payton Mannings!

[Extra Stout]

source of what? i didnt say they were alive, i said if you believe the FBIs ID, then you have to also believe theyre alive, based on name only. search for 911 hijackers on google
I found out on google that I work for British intelligence. I might be in on the conspiracy too.

[mookie2001]

NO chump because if you were a felon im pretty sure they could figure out your real name and DOB, not narrow it down to three names and four DOBs

[Extra Stout]

stout come off it, whats your obsession with Vic? I was raised in sa, and i live in austin now
You say that, but on the other hand, what is a Wookie doing on the moon of Endor? That doesn't make any sense! Therefore, you must be in Victoria.

[clambake]

I just googled clambake.

Operation Clambake: The Inner Secrets of Scientology

Quick, where's my hat?

[Extra Stout]

NO chump because if you were a felon im pretty sure they could figure out your real name and DOB, not narrow it down to three names and four DOBs
Right -- all they have to do is check the name against Al-Qaeda's online membership database. Just go to www.al-qaeda.org/contactus

[ChumpDumper]

NO chump because if you were a felon im pretty sure they could figure out your real name and DOB, not narrow it down to three names and four DOBsAnd if I'm not a felon or just haven't been caught because that kind of stuff is tolerated where I live? If my birth and other records are in a third world country or simply don't exist at all?

[ChumpDumper]

To say nothing about the fact that 30,000 FBI employees have to be in on the conspiracy.

[mookie2001]

exactly, they cant be indentified, Im not saying planes full of arab men didnt crash into the WTC, im saying they dont know their identities, you said "yes officially" and now youre saying their birth records and "other records", meaning name, cant be found or dont exist, which is it?

[mookie2001]

To say nothing about the fact that 30,000 FBI employees have to be in on the conspiracy.what conspiracy are you talking about, not knowing the names or DOB of the hijackers?, thats a hell of a "conspiracy"

[Mr. Dictionary]

He's right! I just found out there are 2 Payton Mannings!

Peyton Manning
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source

Peyton Williams Manning (born March 24, 1976 in New Orleans, Louisiana) is an American football quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts NFL franchise. He is the son of former New Orleans Saints quarterback Archie Manning and Olivia Manning. Additionally, he is the older brother of current New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning and the younger brother of former Ole Miss receiver Cooper Manning, whose college career was cut short by spinal stenosis. Peyton played high school football in New Orleans, for Louisiana's Isidore Newman School, then college football for the University of Tennessee and was selected by the Indianapolis Colts as the first overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft. That same year, Peyton married his college girlfriend, Ashley.

Manning holds several NFL passing records, including: Touchdown passes in a single season (49 in 2004), most consecutive seasons with over 4,000 yards passing (6 from 1999 through 2004), and most seasons with 4,000 or more yards passing in a career (7). His career 94.4 passing rating in the NFL ranks first among active QB's with at least 1,500 passing attempts, and second all-time to Steve Young's 96.8. Manning has thrown for 275 touchdowns in his career (ranking him seventh all-time), and has thrown for a total of 37,586 yards in his career (ranking him thirteenth all-time).
High school career
At Isidore Newman High School in New Orleans, Manning started three consecutive seasons at quarterback. He threw for 7,207 yards and 92 touchdowns, leading his team to a 34-5 record. Manning was the Gatorade Player of the Year for the state of Louisiana.
College career
Because of his father's legacy at Ole Miss, Peyton Manning stunned many when he chose to attend and play for the University of Tennessee. Manning would become Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201 yards, 863 completions and 89 touchdowns, while compiling a 39-6 record as a starter, setting an SEC record for career wins (although Georgia's David Greene would set a new record of 42 wins in 2005). In his college career, he threw only 33 interceptions in 1,381 attempts, an NCAA record for best all-time interception percentage. He was 3-1 in his four bowl appearances. Although after three years he had completed his degree, a BA in speech communication with a 3.61 GPA and Phi Beta Kappa honors, and was projected to be the top overall pick in the NFL Draft, Manning returned to Tennessee for his senior year. Despite an early season loss to archrival Florida, Manning put up even more impressive numbers in his last season (3,819 yards, 36 touchdowns) in leading the Vols to the SEC title and finished second in 1997 Heisman Trophy voting to the University of Michigan's Charles Woodson. Manning received the 1997 James E. Sullivan Award as the top amateur athlete in the United States. In 2005, Tennessee retired Manning's number, making him only the 3rd Tennessee player to have his number retired while still living. Also, one of the streets leading to Neyland Stadium has been re-named Peyton Manning Pass.
College awards

* 1997 Davey O'Brien Award - Awarded to the Nation's Top Senior Quarterback
* 1997 Johnny Unitas Award - Awarded to the Nation's Top Quarterback
* 1997 Maxwell Award - Nation's Top Player
* 1997 College Football All-America Team
* 1997 James E. Sullivan Award - Awarded by the Amateur Athletic Union to the outstanding amateur athlete in the United States
* 1997 Today's Top VIII Award - honors eight outstanding senior student-athletes
* 1997 SEC Championship MVP
* 1997 Capital One Bowl Overall MVP

Scandals
In 1996, while he was still quarterback at the University of Tennessee, Manning was involved in an incident where he allegedly "dropped his pants in front of (female assistant athletic trainer) Jamie Ann Naughright". TheSmokingGun.com reports this incident as being a "mooning" gone awry and not sexual in nature. In 2003, The University of Tennessee chose to settle the lawsuit with Naughright (then named Jamie Whited) for $300,000.
Professional career
Manning was selected first overall in the 1998 draft by the Indianapolis Colts and has started every game in his NFL career, missing only one snap due to injury despite sustaining injuries as serious as a broken jaw inflicted by defensive end Lorenzo Bromell . He was the NFL co-MVP in 2003, sharing the honor with then Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair. In 2004, Manning became the highest-paid player in NFL history at the time, signing a $99.2m contract for seven years with a $34.5m signing bonus, which averages out to $14.17m annually. Under the contract, Manning is also eligible to earn an extra $19m in incentives.

In scouting reports, Manning is known as a "pure" pocket passer rather than a "scrambler." Manning is well known for his frantic hand gestures and shouting before the play while calling out audibles.
1998-1999 season
Peyton Manning was the first draft pick of the 1998 NFL Draft, selected by Indianapolis, and started immediately for the team. Manning passed for 3,739 with 26 touchdowns and 28 interceptions. He set five different NFL rookie records, including most touchdown passes in a season and was named to the NFL All-Rookie First Team. Despite this, the Colts only finished 3-13.
1999-2000 season
Prior to the beginning of the season, the Colts selected Edgerrin James during the NFL draft. Manning and James turned the Colts franchise around, leading the team to a 13-3 record, an AFC East championship, and the play-offs. One of the team's three losses, however, was to now-rival New England. The Colts led 28-7 at halftime, but ultimately lost, 31-28. Manning passed for over 4,000 yards and 26 touchdown passes, as the team earned a first round bye as the AFC's second seed, behind Jacksonville. In the playoffs, however, the Colts fell 19-16 to the Super Bowl bound Tennessee Titans. Manning completed 19 of 43 passes with no touchdowns.
2003-2004 season
Manning threw for 4,267 yards and 29 touchdowns during the regular season, assisting his team to a 12-4 record despite having a defense that ranked only 20th in the NFL in points allowed (336). Manning then went on to lead his team to a 41-10 victory over the Denver Broncos in the wildcard playoff round, his first playoff win after 3 first round losses in the past 3 seasons. He completed 22 of 26 passes for 377 yards and 5 touchdowns in the game, earning him a perfect 158.3 Passer Rating. Then in the divisional playoffs, Manning led the Colts to a 38 - 31 win over the Kansas City Chiefs in the first puntless game in NFL playoff history, throwing for 304 yards and 3 touchdowns, and earning an impressive 138.8 passer rating. However, Manning was shut down by the New England Patriots defense in the AFC title game, as he posted the third lowest passer rating of his career at 35.5. The Patriots defense intercepted Manning four times (three of them by Ty Law) and held Manning's offense to just 14 points as the Colts lost the game 24 - 14.
2004-2005 season
In 2004, Manning had one of the greatest regular seasons in NFL history, putting up 4,557 yards, a 121.1 quarterback rating, and 49 touchdowns, surpassing the record for TD passes in a season (48) held by Miami Dolphins quarterback Dan Marino for two decades. His quarterback rating in 2004 also surpassed the previous single-season mark of 112.8 set by Hall of Fame San Francisco 49ers quarterback Steve Young. In addition to his individual achievements, Manning also led the Colts to a 12-4 record and their second consecutive AFC South division title. As a result, he was a near-unanimous selection for the 2004 NFL MVP in drawing 49 of 50 votes (Michael Vick received one vote), was named NFL Offensive Player of the Year respectively. However, the Colts' 2004 season ended in Foxborough for a second straight year with a 20 - 3 loss in the AFC Divisional Playoff game against New England when Manning played his worst game of the year, recording a season-low passer rating of 69.3 and posting a season-low 3 points of offense. It was Manning's seventh consecutive loss to the Patriots in Foxborough, MA. The Colts' three points were their lowest single game point total since their opening game of the 2003 season.
2005-2006 season

In 2005 the Colts had a greatly improved defense over that of recent years. In week 15, the Colts had a perfect 13-0 record, and had secured the AFC South, home field advantage throughout the playoffs, and a first round bye. Nevertheless, Tony Dungy made the decision to play all of his regular starters against the Chargers in the hopes of keeping his team sharp for the playoffs. However, the Colts played a sub-par game against the Chargers and fell short of the win; the score was 26-17. Manning finished the season with 3,747 passing yards, the first time he had thrown for under 4,000 yards since his rookie season of 1998, largely due to the fact that Manning sat out much of the final two games with the top AFC seed clinched.

On January 15, 2006, the Pittsburgh Steelers visited the RCA Dome for the second AFC divisional playoff game of the 2005 season. The Steelers shocked most fans and analysts by gaining a 14-3 lead by halftime. In the 4th quarter the Colts were almost able to pull off an improbable comeback, after a series of unlikely (and controversial) events. With only a few minutes left in the game, Manning threw what looked to be the game-ending interception to Troy Polamalu, but the interception was overturned (a call the NFL later admitted was incorrect). The Colts went on to score, and were able to get the ball back down three points near the end of the game. On 4th down Manning was sacked near his own goal line, and the game seemed to be over as the Steelers were one yard from a touchdown. On the play the ball was handed off to Bettis who fumbled the ball. It was picked up by Colts defender Nick Harper who appeared to have a clear path down the sideline for what might have been the game-winning score. However, he inexplicably cut to the center of the field where Steelers' quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was running backwards hoping to get into position to tackle. He managed to dive in front of Harper and tackle him by the leg, saving a touchdown. The Colts drove down the field from their own 42 yard line to the Steelers 27 yard line, before Mike Vanderjagt missed a field goal as time ran out. (It was the first time a 6th seeded team would eventually go on to win the Super Bowl when the Steelers won Super Bowl XL.)

Peyton came in second in voting for the 2005 MVP award to Shaun Alexander (19 to 13, out of 50 voters), ending his streak at two years. He was named the 2005 winner of the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award. He was also nominated for the 2005 FedEx Air Player of the Year Award, along with Tom Brady and Carson Palmer, the winner of the award. The two runners up were both also quarterbacks for the Pro Bowl that year.
2006-2007 season
The Colts started 9-0 but finished the season with a 12-4 record and got the third seed in the playoffs. Manning had a good season, throwing for over 30 touchdowns, over 4000 yards, and leading the NFL in Quarterback rating. Besides that, by throwing 31 TD passes and only 9 interceptions he became the second quarterback in league history (the other being Donovan McNabb) to throw over 30 touchdowns and less than 10 interceptions in a single season. Manning's Colts defeated the Kansas City Chiefs in the first round of the playoffs on January 6 by a score of 23-8. The Colts won their Divisional Playoff game on Saturday, January 13, 2007 by the score of 15-6 against the Baltimore Ravens. Adam Vinatieri tied an NFL record with 5 field goals in a playoff game. The Colts played the New England Patriots on Sunday, January 21, 2007 for the AFC Championship. The Colts had home field advantage because they were the #3 seed and won the tiebreaker with New England because they beat them earlier in the year. The Colts went on to beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship game 38-34, after coming back from an 18-point deficit.
NFL awards

* 1998 NFL All-Rookie First Team
* 2001 Week 2 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2003 Week 4 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2003 Week 15 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2003 Co-MVP (Steve McNair)
* 2003 Bert Bell Award
* 2004 Offensive Player of the Year
* 2004 Week 3 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2004 Week 10 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2004 Week 12 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2004 Week 16 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2004 November AFC Offensive Player of the Month
* 2004 MVP
* 2004 Bert Bell Award
* 2005 Week 9 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2005 Byron “Whizzer” White Humanitarian Award
* 2005 Pro Bowl MVP
* 2005 Walter Payton Man of the Year Award
* 2006 Week 2 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2006 Week 7 AFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2006 October AFC Offensive Player of the Month

Debate and criticism
Manning has been criticized for being unable to win "big games", as his postseason record is 6–6. While many commentors have put this in context by pointing out that the Colts have lacked the caliber of defense that often wins postseason games, Manning's critics, including Boomer Esiason, have compared Manning to Hall of Famer Dan Marino (who is regarded as being a great statistical quarterback who never won a Super Bowl). However, Peyton finally made it to a Super Bowl in 2007, after beating the longtime rival Patriots.

Amongst active quarterbacks, Manning is most often compared to New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. Brady's statistics, while impressive in their own right, do not meet the record-setting level that Manning has established. Brady, however, has won 3 Super Bowls while posting a career 12-2 postseason record, best in NFL history. On the other hand, as Manning's supporters often note, Brady has been supported by great defenses in his Super Bowl runs, whereas Manning's offense is counted on to shoulder most of the load for the Colts. Manning has, however, had the luxury of superstar wide receivers Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, and RB Edgerrin James for much of his career while Brady is considered to be the only offensive star for the Patriots. The Manning-Brady debate has evoked comparisons to the Marino-Montana debate of the 1980's.

In 2006, the ESPN Classic show The Top 5 Reasons You Can't Blame... had an episode on Manning's purported inability to win big games.

Following the Colts' 2006 playoff loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, Manning drew criticism for post-game statements that seemed to shift the blame to his offensive line. Manning stated that, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here.... let's just say we had some problems with protection." Manning was sacked five times in that game. Manning's big game losses date back to his college days at Tennessee. As a starter, Manning had an 0-3 record against the University of Florida. A common misconception is that he was 0-4; however, he came off the bench as a freshman, so the 1994 loss was not 'his', as he was not the starting quarterback.

"Big game" criticism has come from examples such as Manning's first start against Florida in 1995, in which the Tennessee defense gave up 62 while Manning and the rest of the offense put 37 points on the board. In 1996, another high scoring affair ended in Florida's favor, 35-29. Manning's Tennessee team was defeated by Nebraska 42-17 in the 1998 Orange Bowl. However, Manning and Tennessee did also win three other bowl games: the Gator Bowl in 1994 and two Citrus Bowls in 1995 and 1996.

In the 2002 postseason, facing a higher-seeded 9-7 Jets team on the road, Manning threw two interceptions and had a career low 31.2 passer rating. The next year, he faced New England in the 2003 AFC Championship Game and threw four interceptions with a passer rating of 35.5. A year later, he faced the Patriots again, and the Colts scored three offensive points. After the endgame in 2003, Mike Vanderjagt called Manning out for his failure to win the big game, resulting in Manning's response at the 2003 Pro Bowl, referring to Vanderjagt as "our idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off." Ironically, Manning also produced one of the greatest playoff performances in NFL Playoff History in a 2003 Wildcard game against the Denver Broncos, when he was 22 of 26 for 377 yards and 5 touchdowns for an NFL playoff record 158.3 passer rating (the maximum possible number for this statistic) in a 41-10 win. More recently, Esiason and other commentators remarked after the closing of the 2007 AFC Championship Game that Manning had finally silenced his critics.
College records
Tennessee records

* Passing attempts in a game: 65 vs. Florida in 1996
* Completions in a game: 37 vs. Florida in 1996
* Most plays in a game: 70 vs. Florida in 1996
* Most yards in a game: 508 vs. Kentucky in 1997
* Most TD passes in a game: 5 vs. Texas Tech, Kentucky in 1997
* Most consecutive completions in a game: 12 vs. Kentucky in 1997
* Passing attempts in a Season: 477 in 1997
* Completions in a Season: 287 in 1997
* Passing yards in a season 3,819 in 1997
* Highest completion percentage in a season (Minimum 30 attempts): 64.2% in 1995
* Lowest intercetion percentage in a season:: 1.05% in 1995
* Most 300 yard passing games in a season: 9 in 1997
* Most consecutive passes without an interception in a season: 132
* Most offensive plays in a season: 538 in 1997
* Most passing yards in a career: 11,201
* Most career passing attempts: 1,381
* Most career completions: 863
* Most wins as starter: 39
* Most career TD passes: 89
* Most career TDs: 101
* Most career 500 Yard passing games: 1
* Most career 400 Yard passing games: 3
* Most career 300 Yard passing games: 18
* Most career 200 Yard passing games: 30
* Most consecutive 300 yard passing games: 7
* Highest career completion percentage: 62.49%
* Lowest career interception percentage: 2.39%
* Most career offensive yards: 11,020
* Most career offensive plays: 1,534

SEC records

* Most Completions in a Career: 863
* Ratio of Interceptions to Attempts in a Season (Minimum 300 Attempts): 1:95 in 1995
* Most Career Passing Yards: 11,201
* Most Career Offense: 11,020
* Highest completion percentage: 62.49%
* Lowest career interception percentage: 2.39%
* Most career 300+ yard games: 18

NFL records
Career (individual)
Manning holds a number of individual career records:

* Seasons with 4,000+ yards: 7, 1999–2004, 2006
* Consecutive seasons with 4,000+ yards: 6, from 1999–2004
* Consecutive seasons with 25+ TD passes: 9, from 1998-2006 (current)
* Games with perfect passer rating: 4 (includes 1 playoff game; most perfect games of any QB since passer rating was created by the NFL in 1973)
* Manning has started every game since he has been in the NFL, a streak currently at 144 games, the longest career-opening streak for a QB. (current)
* TDs per game, highest for QB
* Yds per game, highest for QB
* Points per game, highest for QB
* Only quarterback to make every start of his career since being drafted.
* Highest percentage of games with at least one touchdown, at 88% (current).

Rookie records

* Most passes attempted in a season: 575
* Most passes completed in a season: 326
* Most yards gained in a season: 3,739
* Most Touchdown Passes in a season: 26
* Most Consecutive games with a Touchdown: 13

2004 season
During the 2004 season Manning broke several single season passing records, including:

* Touchdowns: 49 (previously held by Dan Marino with 48 in 1984)
* Passer rating: 121.1 (previously held by Steve Young with 112.8 in 1994)
* Consecutive games with at least 4 TD passes: 5 (previously held by Marino with 4 TDs in 4 consecutive games in 1984)
* 5 TD passes in 4 different games in less than 12 months (previously held by Marino)
* First QB to throw 10+ TD passes to each of 3 different receivers in 1 season (14, Marvin Harrison; 12, Reggie Wayne; 10, Brandon Stokley). The Colts are the only team ever to have 3 WRs with 10+ TDs in 1 season.
* Although not an NFL record, Manning threw 6 TD passes in a little over a half against the Detroit Lions on November 25, 2004. It was the second time in his career that Manning achieved this (also in 2003), and he has been the only NFL player to throw 6 TDs in a regular season game since 1991.

With Marvin Harrison
Manning and Colts wide receiver Marvin Harrison hold a number of QB-WR tandem records:

* Completions: 677 (set in 2004; previously held by Buffalo Bills QB Jim Kelly and WR Andre Reed)
* Yards: 10,253 (as of November 132005; previously held by Kelly and Reed)
* Touchdowns: 106 (as of December 312006; previous record was 85 by San Francisco 49ers QB Steve Young and WR Jerry Rice), broken on October 172005

Miscellaneous
He and Reese Witherspoon were born at the same hospital only 2 days apart.

Manning's family was neighbors with novelist Anne Rice and Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails during his early years.

Manning helped establish the Peyback Foundation - an organization designed to help underprivileged children all over America.

Manning has said that his best friend outside of football is former Indiana Pacer legend Reggie Miller.
NFL career statistics
Regular season

* 4,890 passes attempted
* 3,131 passes completed
* 37,586 passing yards
* 275 passing touchdowns
* 139 passes intercepted
* 92-52 record as a starter
* 35.2 passes attempted per interception
* 94.4 quarterback rating (2nd all-time)
* 7 Pro Bowl appearances, counting 2007

Postseason

* 437 passes attempted
* 265 passes completed
* 3,248 passing yards
* 17 passing touchdowns
* 14 passes intercepted
* 6-6 postseason record
* 31.2 passes attempted per interception

Manning in advertising
Manning has become one of the NFL's most marketable players, appearing in several television and printed advertisements for some of the NFL's biggest sponsors. Manning is recognized as a pitchman for the following companies: Sprint, Sony, MasterCard, Gatorade, DirecTV, and the American Red Cross. Manning also was the spokesman for Xbox's NFL Fever 2002 and 2003 and 2004, and was featured on the cover of both games.

[clambake]

What kind of ID did they use at flight school?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm saying they have been identified to the best of the investigative abilities available. I wish their families would cooperate with the FBI, but for some reason they don't want to give them DNA samples. I wish we could ask them their names, but they are in a landfill in Queens. OTOH, we have a paper trail, security camera images and witnesses that have identified these men as well as any reasonable person could expect. There are enough known in the group that there isn't any doubt what was going on. If you want to make me believe otherwise, you are really going to have to spell it out and show whatever evidence you have.

[ChumpDumper]

what conspiracy are you talking about, not knowing the names or DOB of the hijackers?, thats a hell of a "conspiracy"Exactly. They have names -- why do you keep bringing this up?

[clambake]

Thank you Mr. Dictionary. I had it all wrong.

[mookie2001]

ok so not "officially" like you said



security camera images and witnesses that have identified these men as well as any reasonable person could expecttrue, true, true, I dont see your point though, what does that have to do with a name or dob?

[Extra Stout]

Peyton Manning was behind 9/11?

[mookie2001]

victoria victoria, Victoria?

[clambake]

What's the diff? Does anyone think it would be difficult to acquire fake identification? These men were already on a watch list, and yet were able to attend flight school in the states.

[Extra Stout]

What is Victoria's Secret? What do they know?

[mookie2001]

im just trying to defend my point, that chumpdumper flat out said was wrong, chumpdumper has google, hes a really smart guy, he links sources all the time

[Extra Stout]

"That's OK, they're not saying "boo," they're saying "Muuuu-hammad."

[ChumpDumper]

If these guys were so hard to ID and are still alive, why was an LA Times reporter able to write biographies of all 19 hijackers?

http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Soldiers-Hijackers-They-Were/dp/0060584696

[Extra Stout]

If these guys were so hard to ID and are still alive, why was an LA Times reporter able to write biographies of all 19 hijackers?
Didn't you read the thread? We already established that the entire M$M is part of the conspiracy.

[mookie2001]

for the 3rd time i didnt say they were alive. The fact is you were wrong when you said "yes officially"

[ChumpDumper]

never read these biosThat was compelling.

[ChumpDumper]

for the 3rd time i didnt say they were alive. The fact is you were wrong when you said "yes officially"Absolutely not. Offically means officially. Not DNA definitively -- that's not possible. But in any legal or investigative sense, they were identified. If your entire worldview is based upon not having DNA samples of the hijackers, there's really no use in going any further.

[Extra Stout]

Absolutely not. Offically means officially. Not DNA definitively -- that's not possible. But in any legal or investigative sense, they were identified. If your entire worldview is based upon not having DNA samples of the hijackers, there's really no use in going any further.
But on an episode of CSI: NY, the CSI team always is able to recover DNA. Why wouldn't the government allow Gary Sinise, the chick from Providence, and the guy who played on the 1980 US hockey team, to go in and recover the DNA? These are legitimate questions.

[mookie2001]

i never mentioned anything about DNA, the fact is NO government agency has ever confirmed the real names and real DOB of the 911 hijackers

[johnsmith]

So this has stopped being a thread about 9/11 conspiracy and started to be a petty argument over semantics? Cool.

[Extra Stout]

So this has stopped being a thread about 9/11 conspiracy and started to be a petty argument over semantics? Cool.
But we can't be certain WHICH 19 Islamic terrorists flew planes into buildings on 9/11. Maybe it was Fabu Ayed and not Abu Fayed.

[mookie2001]

thanks stout thats all i was trying to say, nothing about Bush, the government, or DNA

[Extra Stout]

thanks stout thats all i was trying to say, nothing about Bush, the government, or DNA
And now you know why we had to go into Iraq.

[johnsmith]

thanks stout thats all i was trying to say, nothing about Bush, the government, or DNA


Ok, well then, back to you being gullable and insane.

[xrayzebra]

I have heard that evidence exist that Bush himself flew one of
the planes into the WTC and bailed out just before it hit and was
picked up by Cheney and they went hunting at the King ranch.
And that is reason that they couldn't locate Bush for sometime.. That a second (look alike) was
reading to school children and the reason confusion existed as
to what the second (look alike) was suppose to do. Now that sounds really
plausible to me, doesn't it to you?

Of course it is possible, since Bush is an ex-military pilot that
he made a detour by the Pentagon and fired a rocket into it
before flying into the WTC, oh, wait a minute, the Pentagon
was hit afterwards, so guess that story wont hold up. Much
like the ones posted here.

[Extra Stout]

I have heard that evidence exist that Bush himself flew one of
the planes into the WTC and bailed out just before it hit and was
picked up by Cheney and they went hunting at the King ranch.
And that is reason that they couldn't locate Bush for sometime.. That a second (look alike) was
reading to school children and the reason confusion existed as
to what the second (look alike) was suppose to do. Now that sounds really
plausible to me, doesn't it to you?

Of course it is possible, since Bush is an ex-military pilot that
he made a detour by the Pentagon and fired a rocket into it
before flying into the WTC, oh, wait a minute, the Pentagon
was hit afterwards, so guess that story wont hold up. Much
like the ones posted here.
Bush' dad fired the rocket into the Pentagon on the way to a Carlyle board meeting.

[Re-Animator]

You know what man, I just pointed out one detail that could raise a question. But you want me to take your evidence as gospel because you're a guy on the internet who claims to have worked at Ft. Bragg back in '81. Excuse me for thinking about things before subscribing to them. I point out one detail about a piece of evidence and you insult me. Well fuck you man. I'll get my information elsewhere from people who are mature enough to have a conversation. I don't have time to deal with arrogant assholes like you.

You're the reason why people don't take your "movement" seriously.

Welcome to my ignore list.

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Did it get a little to hot in the kitchen for your cornbread ass? Maybe you need to change your name to sour dough.
I have been taking insults for 19 pages and you have a meltdown after just one?

I got news for your lame sensitive drama queen ass. You can't put me on Ignore numb nuts I have to many screen names. Don't worry about putting me on Ignore I look froward not having to reply to your simpleminded tree hugging ass.

ok fellas back to your bullshit debate................ :wakeup

[johnsmith]

ok fellas back to your bullshit debate................ :wakeup


And what will you go back to? Oh yeah, absolutely nothing.

[Clandestino]

i can't believe 566 posts on bullshit beams.

[Re-Animator]

Gosh, you really took it hard when I pointed out what a waste of a human being you are and how you are clearly not a very funny comedian or you wouldn't have to spend so much time on this site.

show me where i said i was funny? If you think your funnier ? then you can meet me at the river center comedy club when you get out of school next friday that gives you plenty of time to ask your Uncle errrrr step dad if he has any cool red neck jokes you can use. If not ask a few of your friends/cousins around the trailer park, they may have a few you can use to save you some time using Google. That way you have more time to continue to stalk me around this topic



So by pulling out the "you spend to much time on line" card are you saying others who spend time at this site are not good at what they do either? as much time as you spend stalking my ass you must fit right in to that category also.


I mean, I wasn't here for four pages of this thread

Yep Jr.High is a bitch, maybe when your in high school your pappy will get you a used semen covered lap top from the pawnshop. You have to think positive brah!





and you're still mentioning me. Get over it

I can never get over you. Somehow through your non stop stalking I kinda in sorta sick perverted way find myself attracted to you. Can you make the next GTG? :makeout


ya damn burnt out 80's hipster douche bag.

Psssssssst! it's 70's :smokin

[Lance]

And what will you go back to? Oh yeah, absolutely nothing.

Dam that is borderline 1991 "I know what you are, but what am I?" smack if i ever saw it.

Yo kid? you may want to raise the bar a bit on your comebacks. Just a heads up dawg!

[Lance]

i can't believe 566 posts on bullshit beams.

Pssssst! It's all over the www try using Google and see what you find. Some forums have 270 pages of WTC talk.

PS: did you vote for Bush? I like to know that before I waste time on a some what Intelligent debate.

[johnsmith]

show me where i said i was funny? If you think your funnier ? then you can meet me at the river center comedy club when you get out of school next friday that gives you plenty of time to ask your Uncle errrrr step dad if he has any cool red neck jokes you can use. If not ask a few of your friends/cousins around the trailer park, they may have a few you can use to save you some time using Google. That way you have more time to continue to stalk me around this topic



So by pulling out the "you spend to much time on line" card are you saying others who spend time at this site are not good at what they do either? as much time as you spend stalking my ass you must fit right in to that category also.



Yep Jr.High is a bitch, maybe when your in high school your pappy will get you a used semen covered lap top from the pawnshop. You have to think positive brah!






I can never get over you. Somehow through your non stop stalking I kinda in sorta sick perverted way find myself attracted to you. Can you make the next GTG? :makeout



Psssssssst! it's 70's :smokin


Hey "brah", I've seen you at that comedy club, you weren't funny.

Eh, calling someone a high school kid on the internet, that's so damn fresh and original.

See, this is why you can't hold down a steady job mouse, you just aren't original enough. Employers are looking for someone that stands out in a crowd. Wait, I've seen the pictures of you on the GTG threads, you clearly do stand out in a crowd as you are one of the ugliest Mexicans I've ever seen.

Oh, and the trailer park bit was priceless, especially since you recently posted pictures of yourself outside of your run down apartment complex for low income individuals.

[johnsmith]

Dam that is borderline 1991 "I know what you are, but what am I?" smack if i ever saw it.

Yo kid? you may want to raise the bar a bit on your comebacks. Just a heads up dawg!


Jesus Christ, must I continue to respond to all your stupid fucking usernames? Grow a spine and stick to just one.

[Crookshanks]

Mouse is the Sybil of the political forum!! :drunk

[johnsmith]

Mouse is the Sybil of the political forum!! :drunk



He does bare a striking resemblence to her 12th personality, the fat Mexican that couldn't get a job.

[Ghost Busters]

Jesus Christ, must I continue to respond to all your stupid fucking usernames? Grow a spine and stick to just one.

Is he making your man love stalking difficult? And what does your fascination with mouse have to do with the topic? I thought this forum had a moderator?

[ChumpDumper]

i never mentioned anything about DNA, the fact is NO government agency has ever confirmed the real names and real DOB of the 911 hijackersActually I find 11 dates of birth for the hijackers and 8 unknowns. And these guys weren't trying to hide their identities, they used valid credit cards and visas, etc., wherever they went. Why is this such a sticking point for you? These guys were identified by name. McDermott spent three years travelling through 20 countries researching their lives and didn't find any evidence that they weren't who the FBI says they were. So I ask again, what is the problem?

Listen to McDermott talk about the hijackers. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4630481)

[=RTM=]

Hey "brah", I've seen you at that comedy club, you weren't funny.

Eh, calling someone a high school kid on the internet, that's so damn fresh and original.

See, this is why you can't hold down a steady job mouse, you just aren't original enough. Employers are looking for someone that stands out in a crowd. Wait, I've seen the pictures of you on the GTG threads, you clearly do stand out in a crowd as you are one of the ugliest Mexicans I've ever seen.

Oh, and the trailer park bit was priceless, especially since you recently posted pictures of yourself outside of your run down apartment complex for low income individuals.


Ok Brah you got me. I think we all got your point. I am a lowlife old wannabe comic with no Job.

Can we now get back to the WTC?
And if you saw me in person why not be a man and introduce yourself?

[johnsmith]

Ok Brah you got me. I think we all got your point. I am a lowlife old wannabe comic with no Job.

Can we now get back to the WTC?
And if you saw me in person why not be a man and introduce yourself?

So you want to get back to the WTC conversation but you follow it up with "if you saw me in person........."

Sounds like you're not ready to get back to the debate quite yet to me.

Oh, and I didn't know who it was until I saw your picture on this site.

[01Snake]

Oh, and I didn't know who it was until I saw your picture on this site.

My eyes are still burning!

[clambake]

Ok. If this was a conspiracy, would the fact that the 2nd building hit was the 1st building to collapse be considered a flaw?

[johnsmith]

Ok. If this was a conspiracy, would the fact that the 2nd building hit was the 1st building to collapse be considered a flaw?


No, that was the building that was supposed to fall first. However, the perfect plan was messed up when the CIA accidentally flew the first drone into the wrong building.


Geez, you'd think with planning the greatest conspiracy in the history of the world, the damn CIA would have hit the correct building first.

[ChumpDumper]

Ok. If this was a conspiracy, would the fact that the 2nd building hit was the 1st building to collapse be considered a flaw?They pushed the wrong button. There were three of them after all -- someone just got confused.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't forget that they had to bring down the north tower in just the right way so that big chunks of it hit 7 WTC and give them enough cover to start fires in several different areas of that building. They used a TOW missile mounted on the TV antenna to direct the top of the tower that way.

[=RTM=]

So you want to get back to the WTC conversation but you follow it up with "if you saw me in person........."

Sounds like you're not ready to get back to the debate quite yet to me.
What debate? 1/2 your comments are about how I suck and am not funny go back and read your insults.

It was an honest question I asked, stop being so sensitive, I think in the insult department your way ahead brah. The reason I asked was you didn't seem the type that was old enough to get into the River Center comedy club.


Oh, and I didn't know who it was until I saw your picture on this site.

Feel free to post your picture also. :wakeup

[johnsmith]

What debate? 1/2 your comments are about how I suck and am not funny go back and read your insults.

It was an honest question I asked, stop being so sensitive, I think in the insult department your way ahead brah. The reason I asked was you didn't seem the type that was old enough to get into the River Center comedy club.



Feel free to post your picture also. :wakeup


On an internet forum dedicated mainly towards an NBA basketball team, just what would constitute the type that is old enough to get into the River Center comedy Club? Is it the type that has 50+ user names and uses them all to try and get a reaction out of people? If so, sorry "brah", I guess I'm not the type.

You'll have to spare me the age jokes. Judging by the photo's of yourself, you're in your in the twilight of your life at this point. I guess all that partying you did back in the 70's is coming back to haunt you seeing as how you look like a walking heart attack.

Finally, I don't feel it necessary to post pictures of myself on the internet. I'm not in the business of whoring myself out to the public like you clearly are.

Oh, and your act was terrible.

[johnsmith]

By the way, your attention payed to me clearly demonstrates that you don't have a leg to stand on in this debate over 9/11. If you did, you'd ignore me and go on your gullable little way.


Just go and do some more of what you obviously do best, eat nachos and sit in front of the television.

[clambake]

Ahhhh, but wouldn't there have been the discovery of the wire from said TOW missle?

I will continue to destroy the stories of non-believers!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Ahhhh, but wouldn't there have been the discovery of the wire from said TOW missle?Melted with Thermite.

Too easy.

[Jimmy]

Oh, and I didn't know who it was until I saw your picture on this site.


Let the real stalking begin. :nerd

[johnsmith]

Let the real stalking begin. :nerd


I find it odd that every time a shot gets taken at me, it's from someone with less then 50 total posts.

Jesus Mouse, get a life dude.

[smeagol]

Chump is on roll!

Mouse and the mookie crowd, give it up. It's embarassing to see you guys getting owned so badly.

[Winston Wolf]

A list of just 1/3 of posts by johnsmith just in the last two days..you decide his maturity.





So you want to get back to the WTC conversation but you follow it up with "if you saw me in person........."

Sounds like you're not ready to get back to the debate quite yet to me.







He does bare a striking resemblence to her 12th personality, the fat Mexican that couldn't get a job.


Jesus Christ, must I continue to respond to all your stupid fucking usernames? Grow a spine and stick to just one.


Hey "brah", I've seen you at that comedy club, you weren't funny.

Eh, calling someone a high school kid on the internet, that's so damn fresh and original.


And what will you go back to? Oh yeah, absolutely nothing.
Forum

Ok, well then, back to you being gullable and insane.
Forum:

Gosh, you really took it hard when I pointed out what a waste of a human being you are and how you are clearly not a very funny comedian or you wouldn't have to spend so much time on this site.


Quick Mouse, change usernames so you can argue this point.


Your unbelievable amount of user names is getting old, get a job............brah.

This thread is fucking hilarious. Well, except for whenever Mouse posts.


This thread is fucking hilarious. Well, except for whenever Mouse posts.


nah, Mouse's is Dirk4mvp with a period on the end. Check the post count.

Furthermore, in regards to the above quote, no shit. That's why we are on this board talking about the guy rather then making millions being him.

Alright, enough, you win. Quit kicking me while I'm down.

Well, then don't troll the political forum and there won't be anymore of this. Jesus Mouse, get a life. Spend less time on the internet and more on polishing your act so funnier people then you...

Fuck you guys.



This is the end all argument for Cowboys fans whenever I debate them on anything. Having said that, it's a pretty damn good argument.

God I hate the Cowboys.


Or you could create yet another user name and prove once again what a huge douche bag you are.

You are a troll. And a fucking ugly one at that. I've seen the pictures on the GTG threads, you have to be the goofiest looking mother fucker I've ever seen in my life.


Man, why all the hate?


Stretch, when did you get so angry?

Really, I just don't like Vince Young. I think he's an arrogant jackass with

Fuck it, too much work.


Ah Christ, are you gonna make me look all this stuff up? Aw fuck it, give me a minute.



From what I understand, the only wannabe comedian here is you.


Must be the altitude? What the fuck are you talking about?



I watched this shit last night for the first time in I don't remember how long. I gathered one piece of information from the entire thing, Paula Abdul is a fucking drunk.


Does it seem gay to anyone else that norcal continues to ask for pictures of his friends in homosexual positions and poses?


I pray that all of those against this have a daughter at some point and she is sexually active at age 12............well, maybe not pray for it, but that would be some fun and ironic stuff.



I can't believe this thread is still going........so sad.........I blame it mostly on Mouse, or whatever the fuck that douche bags name is.

By the way, I heard Mouse is much less funny then Mencia.


If you like rich hippies (which seems like an oxy-moron to me) then Boulder is the place to go.

[Mog]

Chump is on roll!

Mouse and the mookie crowd, give it up. It's embarassing to see you guys getting owned so badly.

Paging Mr. Kiss ass! paging Mr. Kiss ass!

Pssssst! Mr, Brown nose? You have been tossing Cump's salad all up and down this topic which makes your opinion Bias's at best and not worth a shit to most of us. But if you would let go of his nut sac long enough to scroll, you can go back and read for yourself.

[01Snake]

GOD! Enough with the multiple screen names.

[Booty Call]

GOD! Enough with the multiple screen names.

EAT ME!

[clambake]

Where can I get me some of this thermite that destroys evidence of TOW wires fired from great distances. (i was at least 500 yards away when i fired that sucker)

[Victor Newman]

GOD! Enough with the multiple screen names.

Like your gay screen name is the only one you have? Don't get pissed at mouse your not creative enough to make another.

[smeagol]

Paging Mr. Kiss ass! paging Mr. Kiss ass!

Pssssst! Mr, Brown nose? You have been tossing Cump's salad all up and down this topic which makes your opinion Bias's at best and not worth a shit to most of us. But if you would let go of his nut sac long enough to scroll, you can go back and read for yourself.
My opinion is that terrorists from AQ flew plains into the WTC, the Pentagon and were on the way to hit a target in Washington (presumably the WH) when passengers of flight 93 caused that plain to crash in a field in PA.

Instead of using you 100th new nick to respond to this post with bullshit, why don't you tell us who is behind 9/11.

The question has been asked and you have dodged it masterfully.

Instead of fighting with a teenager (or a really childlish 20 something year old), why don't you tell us what you have learned after years of investigating 9/11.

[The Power Hour]

Unfortunately as long as we have the smeagol's of the world we will never have any legit debates.

[smeagol]

Unfortunately as long as we have the smeagol's of the world we will never have any legit debates.
What's wrong with what I posted.

This is a debate about 9/11 isn't, it?

Well, I gave you my opinion of what happened in 9/11. What else do you want?

You on the other hand gave no explanaiton whatsoever about the 9/11 events.

[Extra Stout]

One day, unkempt, pot-smoking, unemployed, aging Mexican comedians will rule the Earth, and then there will be no conspiracies of power and greed against the unsuspecting people, because nobody will have any motivation to do anything at all, save making several hundred screen names on Internet forums.

[Star Player]

What's wrong with what I posted.

This is a debate about 9/11 isn't, it?
.

Not according to you, it's more of a sporting event with you tellings us a play by play of who is in the lead.


Chump is on roll!

Mouse and the mookie crowd, give it up. It's embarassing to see you guys getting owned so badly.

[Jackie]

One day, unkempt, pot-smoking, unemployed, aging Mexican comedians will rule the Earth, and then there will be no conspiracies of power and greed against the unsuspecting people, because nobody will have any motivation to do anything at all, save making several hundred screen names on Internet forums.

Isn't America Great?

[mookie2001]

smeagol are you american?

[Party Girl]

smeagol are you american?

Is he is, I am moving to Canada.

[smeagol]

smeagol are you american?
No. But I will become one, one day.

Why is this relevant?

[smeagol]

Is he is, I am moving to Canada.
Aren't you Mexican?

[mookie2001]

No. But I will become one, one day.

Why is this relevant?i respect your opinion and have no problem with hearing it, don't take this the wrong way, but you just basically said the 911 commission report is what you think happened.

I say the same thing about Europeans or others criticizing the president or the war/US policy. i can totally see where theyre coming from, understand their logic, but because theyre not american, people really dont a fuck what they think you may be wrong, may be right, but yall hurt your own cause

[mookie2001]

Im pretty sure mouse is Tejano too

[ChumpDumper]

So you don't give a fuck what smeagol thinks because he's not a native born American?

[Re-Animator]

I think Mookie has scoreboard over Chump and Spermagul, I have not seen an ass raping like this since Deliverance.

[Homeland Security]

I think Mookie has scoreboard over Chump and Spermagul, I have not seen an ass raping like this since Deliverance.
Do not lie. We know what you like to watch on your computer.

[ChumpDumper]

Wasn't mouse whining about staying on topic earlier?

[mookie2001]

well I dont care what anyone on spurstalk thinks, but especially someone who isnt at all skeptical about any of the events on sep 11th, AND not even from this country

not putting him down, im not from argentina and can only speak english and broken texmex, and im real poor, smeagol likely has much larger bank and if hes completed more than 1.5 years of college than me, more educated

its just on this particalur subject if a foreigner is going to 911 commission report us, its scoffable



plus the spurs are unwatchable

[ChumpDumper]

Why is it scoffable?

[=RTM=]

Wasn't mouse whining about staying on topic earlier?



So you don't give a fuck what smeagol thinks because he's not a native born American?

Seems like I am following your lead.
practice what you preach Brah.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't bring it up, and it actually has something to do with the topic.

[smeagol]

i respect your opinion and have no problem with hearing it, don't take this the wrong way, but you just basically said the 911 commission report is what you think happened.

I say the same thing about Europeans or others criticizing the president or the war/US policy. i can totally see where theyre coming from, understand their logic, but because theyre not american, people really dont a fuck what they think you may be wrong, may be right, but yall hurt your own cause

So only Americans can opine on what happens in America or what America does?

This statement is so stupid even mouse applaud's it.

Please let me know if I am allowed to say those conspiracy theorists that say Americans never landed on the moon are fool of shit (some of them are Europeans) or because I'm from Argentina, and lived 9 years in America (and have a green card), and this even involves America, I should shut my trap and not post in an American-owned message board.

[smeagol]

And mouse, you are a coward.

[Extra Stout]

So only Americans can opine on what happens in America or what America does?

This statement is so stupid even mouse applaud's it.

Please let me know if I am allowed to say those conspiracy theorists that say Americans never landed on the moon are fool of shit (some of them are Europeans) or because I'm from Argentina, and lived 9 years in America (and have a green card), and this even involves America, I should shut my trap and not post in an American-owned message board.
You might be a terrorist. Is Argentina in the Middle East? Have you taken flight lessons?

[ChumpDumper]

After how many years would smeagol have the right to an opinion about 9/11?

Since I basically believe the same thing he does, should I lose my citizenship?

[mookie2001]

So only Americans can opine on what happens in America or what America does? no i can read your opinions all day, post more, its just on this particular subject I dont care what you say, if you were backing me up on thermite or something, i think we'd all agree it would be hurting my cause



Please let me know if I am allowed to say ... say anything you want, post more, im sure you dont give a fuck what I think

[smeagol]

well I dont care what anyone on spurstalk thinks, but especially someone who isnt at all skeptical about any of the events on sep 11th, AND not even from this country

not putting him down, im not from argentina and can only speak english and broken texmex, and im real poor, smeagol likely has much larger bank and if hes completed more than 1.5 years of college than me, more educated

its just on this particalur subject if a foreigner is going to 911 commission report us, its scoffable

Actualy, some of my friends back at home are very skeptical of 9/11. Some very educated ones too, who believe it was a missile what hit the Pentagon, and that the oil companies and the defense companies are all in it for the $$$$.

And I have to argue to death with them. Now these guys are the same dudes who believe man never landed on the moon and that the US has aliens stacked up somewhere in the Arizona desert.

So mookie, who is behind 9/11?

mouse can't answer the question, can you?

[ChumpDumper]

if you were backing me up on thermite or something, i think we'd all agree it would be hurting my causeFar from it. Getting smeagol on your side would be a coup -- just like the ones in East Timor or wherever the hell he's from.

[smeagol]

no i can read your opinions all day, post more, its just on this particular subject I dont care what you say, if you were backing me up on thermite or something, i think we'd all agree it would be hurting my cause

Dude, for a liberal you do not seem to be vey tolerant.

First the 24 thread, now this.

[smeagol]

Far from it. Getting smeagol on your side would be a coup -- just like the ones in East Timor or wherever the hell he's from.
Huh?

[ChumpDumper]

Huh?Exactly.

[mookie2001]

So mookie, who is behind 9/11?


man are you kidding me? ive said it like 5 times in this thread i have no idea who was behind 911, I would say suspects are al qaeda, terrorist organizationS xy and z, upper levels of any branch of our government, upper levels of the global government, un, world banks, you actually think asking us who was behind 911 is a good arguement?, when we're talking about the PHYSICAL aspects of the fire, damage, structure, collapse, explosions, steel, etc..., that has zero to do with who is behind 911 for the 3rd time, its the first step we need an open investigation because the 911 commission report was complete bullshit

[ChumpDumper]

Well, I'm off to see a man about a Tahoe -- let me know when you guys actually put together a theory that refutes the 9/11 commission and all those damn foreigners.

[Phenomanul]

man are you kidding me? ive said it like 5 times in this thread i have no idea who was behind 911, I would say suspects are al qaeda, terrorist organizationS xy and z, upper levels of any branch of our government, upper levels of the global government, un, world banks, you actually think asking us who was behind 911 is a good arguement?, when we're talking about the PHYSICAL aspects of the fire, damage, structure, collapse, explosions, steel, etc..., that has zero to do with who is behind 911 for the 3rd time, its the first step we need an open investigation because the 911 commission report was complete bullshit


Somehow when it comes to those topics the conspiracists don't make any sense whatsoever...

"........buildings must fall at the gravitational acceleration rate!!!!.... this proves without a doubt that the buildings were rigged with explosives!!!"

What a load of crap. :rolleyes That these conspiracists really don't understand simple concepts such as gravity makes me wonder how they can attempt to understand topics such as load bearings, mechanical stress failures and combustion thermodynamics. In the end they will believe what they want to believe... their mind is already made up.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

phenomanul, what is your belief about building seven

[ChumpDumper]

phenomanul, what is your belief about building sevenIf I showed you pictureds of two huge gashes cut out of 7 WTC by debris from the north tower, would you accept the possibility of even more huge gashes on the south face of 7 WTC described by New York City firemen even though they weren't photographed?

[ChumpDumper]

because if dubya/cheney and their ilk have their way, they won't LET you become american...so start questioning authorityI believe the man has skills -- he'll be fasttracked.

[Kimmy]

Well, I'm off to see a man about a Tahoe

That tells me all I really need to know about you.

[xrayzebra]

because if dubya/cheney and their ilk have their way, they won't LET you become american...so start questioning authority

You don't read much do you, dummy? Bush is all for
the illegals being made legal. Catch up on the times before
making comments.

[Extra Stout]

You don't read much do you, dummy? Bush is all for
the illegals being made legal. Catch up on the times before
making comments.
smeagol does xray's landscaping.

[boutons_]

..

[ChumpDumper]

That tells me all I really need to know about you.That my jokes are better than yours?

Agreed.

[01Snake]

Any chance this thread can follow the example set by Anna Nichole Smith last week?

[ChumpDumper]

Since none of the conspiracists took up my 7 WTC offer, it would be just as well if the thread did die. No one is interested in learning anything,

[mookie2001]

Well, I'm off to see a man about a Tahoe -- let me know when you guys actually put together a theory that refutes the 9/11 commission and all those damn foreigners.this offer?, did not the 911 commission report omit wtc7?

[ChumpDumper]

No not that offer -- this one
If I showed you pictureds of two huge gashes cut out of 7 WTC by debris from the north tower, would you accept the possibility of even more huge gashes on the south face of 7 WTC described by New York City firemen even though they weren't photographed?but if you are ready to put together an actual theory that is more plausible than the 9/11 commission report I'm all ears.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Marvin Bush had the entire situation under control, so any conspiracies are futile.

[ChumpDumper]

Marvin Bush had the entire situation under control, so any conspiracies are futile.

Marvin Bush was reelected to the Stratesec [formerly Securacom -- CD] board of directors annually from 1993 through 1999. His last reelection was on May 25, 1999, for July 1999 to June 2000.....Securacom got the $8.3 million World Trade Center security contract in October 1996 and received about $9.2 million from the WTC job from 1996 (a quarter of its revenues that year) to 1998. But in 1998, the company was "excused from the project" because it could not fulfill the work, according to former manager Al Weinstein, and the electronic security work at the WTC was taken over by EJ Electric, a larger contractor.
http://www.washingtonspectator.com/articles/20050215bushes_2.cfm

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

this offer?, did not the 911 commission report omit wtc7?

Did you ever set up dominos and knock them into one another as a kid?

How much fucking science do you need?

[mookie2001]

^^ not according to the current ceo of the company, and you didnt mention united airlines

[ChumpDumper]

Link?

Everything I've read says Stratesec is out of business.

[mookie2001]

yall convinced me though, I believe the 911 Commission Report is 100% factual and nothing was omitted

[ChumpDumper]

I'm certainly willing to consider some other explaination.

Nobody has one though.

I mean NOBODY.

[mookie2001]

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

and will links ever convince anyone of anything?

[mookie2001]

united, im done i gotta go return some video tapes

[ChumpDumper]

From your article:
It also had a three-year contract to maintain electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, according to a Dulles contracting official. Securacom/Stratesec also handled some security for United Airlines in the 1990s, according to McDaniel, but it had been completed before [Marvin Bush's] arriving on the board in 1998.
Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000.What does that even mean? Whose fiscal year?
Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.So he left a company that was effectively fired from its job with the WTC three years before the attacks and went to a company that lost millions of dollars in claim payouts after the 9/11 attacks. What exactly is the conspiracy angle here?

I'm glad you posted something by Margie Burns though. That will make it easier for you to believe what she wrote three years after that article you posted.
Stratesec is bankrupt and no longer exists
http://www.margieburns.com/blog/_archives/2006/2/26/1784217.html

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

From your article mookie -


On the very day of the tragic space shuttle crash, the government appointed an independent investigative panel, and rightly so. Why didn't it do the same on Sept. 12, 2001?

I guess it's too much of a logical reach to say that no one knew why the shuttle blew up when it did, whereas it was pretty fucking clear that planes were flown into the WTC towers.

I didn't need some independent commission to tell me what I saw with my own eyes on CNN on 9/11.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

and will links ever convince anyone of anything?Your link completely convinced me that Marvin Bush had nothing at all to do with the 9/11 attacks.

:tu

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Well, I saw the In Plane Sight vid. For the most part I was dissapointed. That whole thing he pointed out about the supposed plume of smoke before any of the towers fell down was a little off to me. If that were to have really happened I think everyone would have questioned it. That would have been too obvious to overlook. I saw the Not in Plane Sight vid and saw how they debunked it. I've seen other videos that dealt with the flash before the impact of the towers. That never raised any red flags for me. It was just a result of impact. The pod theory was laughable as well. This doesn't make me discredit everything and accept what is widely believed though. I wish I had the link to the video that I first saw. It didn't dwell on what Plane Sight dealt with. It also presented everything in a more professional manner. The music wasn't as dramatic

[mookie2001]

thats why links are so awesome, united



whereas it was pretty fucking clear that planes were flown into the WTC towers.

I didn't need some independent commission to tell me what I saw with my own eyes on CNN on 9/11.I dont see where youre going ahf
united

[mookie2001]

my pc froze earlier when you posted all those links to where the 911 hijackers were officially identified

[ChumpDumper]

I wish I had the link to the video that I first saw. It didn't dwell on what Plane Sight dealt with. It also presented everything in a more professional manner. The music wasn't as dramatic Loose Change is slicker and just as egregiously bad.

Loose Change 2nd Edition (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=Loose+Change)

Loose Change 2nd Edition Viewer's Guide (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html)

Read the latter while watching the former. If you can't pick out the obvious lies and flaws in Loose Change, the guide will.

[ChumpDumper]

my pc froze earlier when you posted all those links to where the 911 hijackers were officially identifiedWhy don't you just email the guy who wrote the book and ask him if he thinks those are the guys. He only spent three years travelling through twenty countries checking them out. It might not be enough for you.

[email protected]

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I dont see where youre going ahf
united

:wtf

The question was why wasn't an independent investigative panel formed the same day as 9/11 happened when one was formed when the shuttle blew up.

My point was that in the case of the Challenger disaster, no one knew why the shuttle blew up. Plus, NASA had a culture of sweeping problems under the rug.

Conversely, it was pretty fucking clear what happened on 9/11 - jumbo jets loaded with fuel crashed into the buildings, and then they fell.

[smeagol]

You don't read much do you, dummy? Bush is all for
the illegals being made legal. Catch up on the times before
making comments.
Didn't we go over this on another thread?

I'm not ilegal. I have a green card.

[Nbadan]

Loose Change is slicker and just as egregiously bad.

Loose Change 2nd Edition (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=Loose+Change)

Loose Change 2nd Edition Viewer's Guide (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html)

Read the latter while watching the former. If you can't pick out the obvious lies and flaws in Loose Change, the guide will.

From the Loosechangeguide:


Lemnitzer may have been the most rabid anticommunist of anyone in a high position in the U.S. Throughout the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations he continually pushed for an invasion of Cuba. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, that idea was not welcome in the White House.

:rolleyes

May have not been welcome at the WH, but you can't tell me the spooks just gave up the fight.

[Nbadan]

Now, if you wanted to increase defense spending in the areas that the PNAC recommends, what is the LAST thing you'd want to do? Answer: get involved in a ground war and subsequent occupation of a country where many citizens are fighting a guerilla-style campaign against you and against each other with AK-47s, RPGs, and IEDs made from cell phones and 10,000 tons of old artillery shells.

:rolleyes

Star wars was proving to be a dog for most defense companies. With the Soviet monster no longer a viable scare after its economic collapse, the powers-that-be needed a new enemy, one that they could easily manipulate and a war that would last perpetually, guaranteeing perpetual profits.

How can someone claim to be a serious debunker and not be intellectually honest?

[Nbadan]

If the U.S. planned the attacks of 9/11 as a pretext to invade Iraq, why did they use 15 Saudis as "scapegoats," and not 15, or 20, Iraqis?

:lol

...this forum is proof one that most Americans don't know the difference between a Saudi, Pakistani, Afghani, Kuwati, or Indian for that matter....all they know is that Muslims attacked the WTC and we need to kill the whole bunch of them.

The rest is up to the wing-nut media.

[ChumpDumper]

From the Loosechangeguide:



:rolleyes

May have not been welcome at the WH, but you can't tell me the spooks just gave up the fight.You can't tell me how they pulled off 9/11 -- or even if that is what you believe.

[ChumpDumper]

:rolleyes

Star wars was proving to be a dog for most defense companies. With the Soviet monster no longer a viable scare after its economic collapse, the powers-that-be needed a new enemy, one that they could easily manipulate and a war that would last perpetually, guaranteeing perpetual profits.

How can someone claim to be a serious debunker and not be intellectually honest?The same way someone can say someone else was behind 9/11 and then not say who or why or how.

And you don't have to be a serious debunker to debunk Loose Change. Just have
some common sense.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

...this forum is proof one that most Americans don't know the difference between a Saudi, Pakistani, Afghani, Kuwati, or Indian for that matter....all they know is that Muslims attacked the WTC and we need to kill the whole bunch of them.

The rest is up to the wing-nut media.Why couldn't "they" have used Iraqis?

[=RTM=]

Did you ever set up dominos and knock them into one another as a kid?

How much fucking science do you need?
Do those domino's have solid steel beams running through them?

I'm not sure what is worst. your lame 4th grade nick at night type example or your truck stop foul mouth.

And you guys wonder why the posters with real Knowledge like me stop responding.

[gtownspur]

Some of you are just plain dumbasses.

It is clear planes hit the towers, saying otherwise is completely dishonest, i mean WTF, there was live footage of the planes hitting.

[ChumpDumper]

the posters with real Knowledge like meThat's the funniest thing you've ever posted.

[=RTM=]

That's the funniest thing you've ever posted.

^ his is the first time you've told the truth.

[ChumpDumper]

So what really happened on 9/11, mouse?

[=RTM=]

Has anyone here seen this film?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006ADG4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.

Answer the question.

[=RTM=]

So what really happened on 9/11, mouse?

Many Americans lost their lives.





The problem with you Mr, Dumper and your Red Bull induced kool-aid drinking followers fail to understand is that there is a large group of Americans and people from around the world that notice things don't add up.
It's like finding a wine bottle in your car and no one admits they used your car. You want answers, Is it wrong for others to have doubts and ask for answers?

well according to this forum it is. And if you question anything about 9/11 you have a tin foil cap on your head. So with that said I will limit my comments to those I see are able to digest my vast cache of mental capacity. And to be honest Mr. Dumper your not on that list.

[ChumpDumper]

Coward.

[=RTM=]

Coward.


Maybe you would like if I meet you in a local lounge so we can arm wrestle to see who is right,
Thank you for proving my point.

[ChumpDumper]

The problem with you Mr, Dumper and your Red Bull induced kool-aid drinking followers fail to understand is that there is a large group of Americans and people from around the world that notice things don't add up.I understand that perfectly, it's just that none of them have come up with any plausible alternative to the conventionally accepted story in five years.
It's like finding a wine bottle in your car and no one admits they used your car. You want answers, Is it wrong for others to have doubts and ask for answers?No, it's more like having a plane hit the Pentagon and trying to tell people it was a cruise missle shot by a Jew to get an insurance claim to pay $10 million a month to rent a hole in the ground.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe you would like if I meet you in a local lounge so we can arm wrestle to see who is rightMaybe you could tell me what you think really happened on 9/11.

[sabar]

Nice job sidestepping the questions conspiracy theorists.
You all would make excellent politicians.

Conspiracy theorists tend to believe in multiple conspiracies. Check all that apply?

JFK?
The moon?
New World Order?
Freemasons?
AIDS?
Illuminati?
Oklahoma City bombing?
TWA Flight 800?
Global Warming?

Still waiting to hear the logistics of keeping a conspiracy this massive a total secret for 6 years.
Still waiting.
I expect the question will be sidestepped. Again.

[Nbadan]

JFK? - big yes
The moon? - no
New World Order? - yes
Freemasons? - eh,
AIDS? - no
Illuminati? - possibly: but you'll never prove it
Oklahoma City bombing? - yes, more than meets the eye.
TWA Flight 800? - possibly, but not a big conspiracy
Global Warming? - big yes, CO2 levels = global warming


bigfoot? No
UfOs? possibly
Loch Ness? Why not?
Chubacacra? No

Any others?

:lol

[Nbadan]

Still waiting to hear the logistics of keeping a conspiracy this massive a total secret for 6 years.
Still waiting.
I expect the question will be sidestepped. Again.

Ancient Chinese secret?

:lol

Really, the Bush Adminstration has sealed, national securied, and classified on a need-to- know-bases so much of the physical evidence it is difficult to prove 911 even happened much less how it happened. Like I said, maybe in a few years, once the Neocons are crucified for getting us into a war with Iran, we'll know more about what happened, or didn't happen on 911.

[Purple & Gold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKnp6XsCo4

[=RTM=]

Nice job sidestepping the questions conspiracy theorists.
You all would make excellent politicians.

Conspiracy theorists tend to believe in multiple conspiracies. Check all that apply?

JFK?
The moon?
New World Order?
Freemasons?
AIDS?
Illuminati?
Oklahoma City bombing?
TWA Flight 800?
Global Warming?

Still waiting to hear the logistics of keeping a conspiracy this massive a total secret for 6 years.
Still waiting.
I expect the question will be sidestepped. Again.

Nice job of not reading one thing I have ever posted in this topic. This forum must have some of the most ignorant people I have ever come across.

What part do you not get about others and myself who want to know why TWC buildings came down so fast,What does that have to do with Conspiracy? It's a matter of science.
And who said anything about massive control of keeping a secret? What secret? Two large buildings fell. what is so top secret about that?



Do you actually read topics before your fingers start typing? This person is a perfect example why this topic will never go any further in my opinion. And It's down right scary to think some of you may actually have kids on this planet.

[Nbadan]

What part do you not get about others and myself who want to know why TWC buildings came down so fast,What does that have to do with Conspiracy? It's a matter of science.

And who said anything about massive control of keeping a secret? What secret? Two large buildings fell. what is so top secret about that?

I'm with you on that Mouse, but a missile hitting the Pentagon? Common.

[Re-Animator]

I'm with you on that Mouse, but a missile hitting the Pentagon? Common.


Then why not show us the video from the gas station camera and the near by HWY cam and the hotel roof top camera? Wouldn't that kill all this conspiracy bullshit?

Why show a few stills from a camera that has the wrong date on it anyway? You would think these so called FBI agents would get the date right when releasing the pictures. And why would the simpleminded asshats in this forum try to tell me that the camera was a still camera so it only had 5 frames and yet it had a shutter speed set fast enough to catch the 5 frames of the blast?

Who would mount a camera that goes off every 3 seconds? you know how much film you would need when you could just have a digital recording in real time.? Are you trying to tell me the local 711 convenient store has better video surveillance than the United state Pentagon? How much bullshit do you guys think I can read on a daily basis?

And why do the Igmo's in this topic keep talking about how the so called plane hit the pentagon so fast that it disintegrated on impact not leaving any black box luggage ,seats, plane parts, and blood. But yet when you push the issue they keep showing that same burned up body of some maintenance worker they found,
If that man was actually on this so called passenger airliner why did his body out of all the passengers magical survive? was the man made of Teflon? Or did he have on clothes with extra starch that shielded him from the fuel and heat and impact. I may come back later to this topic to see if anyone with at least a 11th grade education has responded. And I would appreciate if many of you would leave to obvious bullshit come backs to yourselves.

It really doesn't matter what I say to folks in here most of you argue just for the sake of arguing. You really don't want to learn a dam thing.

[Yonivore]

Ancient Chinese secret?

:lol

Really, the Bush Adminstration has sealed, national securied, and classified on a need-to- know-bases so much of the physical evidence it is difficult to prove 911 even happened much less how it happened. Like I said, maybe in a few years, once the Neocons are crucified for getting us into a war with Iran, we'll know more about what happened, or didn't happen on 911.
Has he sealed, secured, and classified the thousands of eye witnesses and investigators that participated?

Seriously, if the New York Times can get NSA secrets, you don't think there's at least one, of the probably thousands that would have had to be involved in such a conspiracy, that would talk to them on deep background?

Sorry, can't have it both ways. This is a leaky ship or it's air tight.

[ChumpDumper]

Then why not show us the video from the gas station camera and the near by HWY cam and the hotel roof top camera?They don't want to have to pay out $16 million per tape like they did to Zapruder for starters.
Why show a few stills from a camera that has the wrong date on it anyway?Because that's the camera that took the pictures from the Pentagon.
And why would the simpleminded asshats in this forum try to tell me that the camera was a still camera so it only had 5 frames and yet it had a shutter speed set fast enough to catch the 5 frames of the blast?It's a security camera. They don't used Cinemascope or HDtv for security cameras.
Who would mount a camera that goes off every 3 seconds?What does that even mean? The frame rate was bewteen 5-10 frames per second, like any other security camera.
If that man was actually on this so called passenger airliner why did his body out of all the passengers magical survive?I wouldn't call being completely carbonized surviving.
It really doesn't matter what I say to folks in here most of you argue just for the sake of arguing. You really don't want to learn a dam thing.What do you think really happened on 9/11?

[ChumpDumper]

You would think these so called FBI agents would get the date right when releasing the pictures.It only stands to reason that they would make that kind of simple mistake after pulling off a perfectly executed cruise missle strike on the Pentagon while making all the eyewitnesses somehow think it was an American Airlines 757.

[Re-Animator]

They don't want to have to pay out $16 million per tape like they did to Zapruder for starters.

Those tapes where taken as evidence there is no need to have to pay anyone to show the video. If that was the case you would never have any footage on Americas most wanted or any other event the FBI was involved in.

Your really putting a spin on all this.







Because that's the camera that took the pictures from the Pentagon.It's a security camera. They don't used Cinemascope or HDtv for security cameras.

Oops I'm sorry it's just the Pentagon. maybe if they sold cigarettes they could get a batter camera. You just said so yourself it was a Security camera. What kind of security wants to have criminals slipping by getting away with stealing car radios if they can only catch maybe the back of their heads every few seconds?

why would of all the places on earth they choose the pentagon to have the worst security than Wall mart? My GOD do you still put your lose teeth under your pillow at night?







What does that even mean? The frame rate was bewteen 5-10 frames per second, like any other security camera.

Because if you notice the frames they released just so happen to only show the impact no frames that would show what really hit the pentagon were ever shown how convenient on their part to leave out the most important frame. That is one bad ass camera. where can I purchase one? I may want to see my apartment after it was robbed.





What do you think really happened on 9/11?

What I think really happened after responding to this topic is? 9/11 gave you a life to spend on the PC asking the same questions.

[Nbadan]

It only stands to reason that they would make that kind of simple mistake after pulling off a perfectly executed cruise missle strike on the Pentagon while making all the eyewitnesses somehow think it was an American Airlines 757.

Yep, the problem with the cruise missile theory is the witnesses, the plane hitting light-poles on the highway and also striking a big generator or something with one of its engines before hitting the Pentagon.

[Re-Animator]

Yep, the problem with the cruise missile theory is the witnesses, the plane hitting light-poles on the highway and also striking a big generator or something with one of its engines before hitting the Pentagon.


Hey shit for brains who said it a was cruise missile? I always says it was one of these.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38720000/jpg/_38720339_unmanned300.jpg

you guys are talking in circles trying to save what's left of your reputation as semi educated men. I have other worthwhile topics too reply to have fun. getting the others here to buy your bullshit :wakeup

[ChumpDumper]

Those tapes where taken as evidence there is no need to have to pay anyone to show the video.Untrue. It is still the property of the owners of the cameras
If that was the case you would never have any footage on Americas most wanted or any other event the FBI was involved in.Are those tapes worth $16 million?
Oops I'm sorry it's just the Pentagon. maybe if they sold cigarettes they could get a batter camera. You just said so yourself it was a Security camera. What kind of security wants to have criminals slipping by getting away with stealing car radios if they can only catch maybe the back of their heads every few seconds?If thives can move at 400 miles per hour they can slip by a camera running at ten frames per second.
why would of all the places on earth they choose the pentagon to have the worst security than Wall mart? My GOD do you still put your lose teeth under your pillow at night?Why would they shoot a cruise missile or a drone plane into a building when they had already hijacked three passenger planes? Who is being unrealistic here?
Because if you notice the frames they released just so happen to only show the impact no frames that would show what really hit the pentagon were ever shown how convenient on their part to leave out the most important frame. That is one bad ass camera. where can I purchase one? I may want to see my apartment after it was robbed.400 miles per hour.
What I think really happened after responding to this topic is? 9/11 gave you a life to spend on the PC asking the same questions.Why are you so afraid to say what you think happened?

[Nbadan]

A predator drone? :lol Common mouse that's even more preposterous. That wouldn't make a dent in reinforced concrete at over 400 mph.

[ChumpDumper]

I have other worthwhile topics too reply to have fun.Coward.

[Re-Animator]

A predator drone? :lol Common mouse that's even more preposterous. That wouldn't make a dent in reinforced concrete at over 400 mph.


Bro do you know what they have installed in those things like bunker busters?
are you saying you don't know what those things do besides spy on people? are you that naive or is this another Nbadan?




Recently released photos reveal wings of aircraft that hit Pentagon

As far as the 9/11 Commission was concerned, American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, crashed into the Pentagon. The hole was much smaller than a 757 and no 757 parts, parts of passengers or their luggage was recovered to support the official conclusion. Several people within the 9/11 truth movement had advanced two main theories as to what may have crashed into the Pentagon—both of which are more plausible than the government’s 757 theory: The unmanned aircraft named "Global Hawk," or a cruise missile.



http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/Global-Hawk-Landing.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

The hole was much smaller than a 757 and no 757 parts, parts of passengers or their luggage was recovered to support the official conclusion.All bullshit.

[Re-Animator]

Let me save Chump Dumper 12 hours of posting in this topic.



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[=RTM=]

If anyone has seen this film I would like to discuss it.

http://www.wingtv.net/images/painful1.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Let me save mouse 12 hours of posting in this topic.
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?
I'm too scared or stupid to actually present anything resembling an alternate theory of the events of 9/11.

Have you seen this film that doesn't do it either?

[Purple & Gold]

It's official chumpdumper is the biggest ass on the internet.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

ChumpDumper you have no answers either....its all induction

[ChumpDumper]

I said what I believe happened, and when someone says "what about this" I address it.

I don't understand why no one else can say what they believe. Surely after five years someone could come up with a theory that ties together all their evidence -- even if they don't have all the answers.

Why is there not even a theory?

[ChumpDumper]

It's official chumpdumper is the biggest ass on the internet.What do you think really happened on 9/11?

[Nbadan]

Why is there not even a theory?

There are plenty of plausible theories out there that don't have anything to do with predator drones or controlled demolitions. For instance, we have not begun to argue if Atta was a CIA asset.

[ChumpDumper]

There are plenty of plausible theories out there that don't have anything to do with predator drones or controlled demolitions. For instance, we have not begun to argue if Atta was a CIA asset.You've said that before. Now what is the overall theory that revolves upon Atta's working for the CIA?

[Nbadan]

You've said that before. Now what is the overall theory that revolves upon Atta's working for the CIA?

It's not my theory, its Daniel Hopsicker's theory..

"Welcome to Terrorland -
Mohamed Atta and
the 9/11 Cover-Up
In Florida" (http://www.madcowprod.com/appendix/01.pdf)

[ChumpDumper]

What is your theory?

[Yonivore]

There are plenty of plausible theories out there that don't have anything to do with predator drones or controlled demolitions. For instance, we have not begun to argue if Atta was a CIA asset.
I can't wait to hear the theory that involves the elementary school children in Florida.

[mookie2001]

ChumpDumper you have no answers either....its all inductionits obvious the whole thread is chumpdumper wanting the thread to end with him asking us what happened, if that happens, the 911 commission report is correct, except for the part about building 7

[Purple & Gold]

What do you think really happened on 9/11?
Do I think Bush blew up the towers? No

Would I be surprised if he knew something about it and let it happen? No

I wouldn't put it past this administration though. I've never seen a bigger group of slime balls in office before.

[who gives a fuck?]

What is your theory?

[ChumpDumper]

its obvious the whole thread is chumpdumper wanting the thread to end with him asking us what happened, if that happens, the 911 commission report is correct, except for the part about building 7No I just want those who don't believe the conventional story to give me a real reason to believe something else -- something else being an actual theory, not just the odd "building 7 was a controlled demolition" with zero context.

[mookie2001]

what is the conventional story?

[ChumpDumper]

Do I think Bush blew up the towers? No

Would I be surprised if he knew something about it and let it happen? No

I wouldn't put it past this administration though. I've never seen a bigger group of slime balls in office before.Who do you think blew up the towers?

[ChumpDumper]

what is the conventional story?A group of terrorists hijacked four planes and flew them into the WTC and Pentagon, and the WTC buildings fell due to a combination of structural damage and fire.

[ROFL]

It's official chumpdumper is the biggest ass on the internet.


:lmao

[Homeland Security]

The planes definitely were not commandeered by remote control. If you even entertain that thought, we will be paying you a visit.

[Purple & Gold]

Who do you think blew up the towers?
And this is relevant how??

[ChumpDumper]

And this is relevant how??Your opinion isn't relevant? That's a fantastic argument.

[mookie2001]

A group of terrorists hijacked four planes and flew them into the WTC and Pentagon, and the WTC buildings fell due to a combination of structural damage and fire.well thats not much of a theory, you mean the 911 Commission Report?

[Purple & Gold]

Your opinion isn't relevant? That's a fantastic argument.
You've already heard my opinion. I'm undecided. But I also don't think a person needs to have an answer to be skeptical of what happened. And that's why your question is not relevant.

[ChumpDumper]

well thats not much of a theoryIt's what I believe. It does a good enough job of explaining the events. What theory explains it better?

[mookie2001]

just seemed too simple, left stuff out, I would like to research your theory, you mean the 911 Commission Report?

[ChumpDumper]

You've already heard my opinion. I'm undecided. But I also don't think a person needs to have an answer to be skeptical of what happened. And that's why your question is not relevant.Sorry, I happen to think your opinion is relevant for this conversation. I apologize for ever considering it.

I think the 9/11 commission was far from comprehensive, but I haven't seen anyone piece together all the events with a different theory that would make me doubt its basic conclusions.

[ChumpDumper]

just seemed too simple, left stuff out, I would like to research your theory, you mean the 911 Commission Report?Everything respectable I've read and heard outside of that supports it pretty well.

[Purple & Gold]

Sorry, I happen to think your opinion is relevant for this conversation. I apologize for ever considering it.
No. What you are doing is asking the same question over and over to people that don't agree with you or are skeptical. It's a round about way of saying that if you don't have a better answer than your opinion doesn't count. When in reality that's not how things work.

[Purple & Gold]

I think the 9/11 commission was far from comprehensive, but I haven't seen anyone piece together all the events with a different theory that would make me doubt its basic conclusions.
And do you have to see a better theory to make you doubt the 9/11 commission? Or can you just see the holes in the report and decide for yourself that it is possible and maybe even likely that more was known before hand than what was let on?

[ChumpDumper]

What you are doing is asking the same question over and over to people that don't agree with you or are skeptical.Because I want to hear something that would convince me to not believe the conventional story.
It's a round about way of saying that if you don't have a better answer than your opinion doesn't count.It's a roundabout way of saying I'm amazed that there isn't one comprehensive alternate theory out there worth hearing from any of you?
When in reality that's not how things work.How do things work? What have you done to make sure your skepticisms are relieved? Does this really matter to you at all?

[ChumpDumper]

And do you have to see a better theory to make you doubt the 9/11 commission?The basic conclusions? Yes.
Or can you just see the holes in the report and decide for yourself that it is possible and maybe even likely that more was known before hand than what was let on?As I said, there are volumes and volumes of well-researched and sourced work independent of the commission report that supports it.

[Purple & Gold]

What have you done to make sure your skepticisms are relieved? Does this really matter to you at all?
I don't understand either of these questions. What exactly are you trying to ask?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't understand either of these questions. What exactly are you trying to ask?You are skeptical, but do you really give a shit about finding out anything else about 9/11?

[Purple & Gold]

The basic conclusions? Yes.
Well then go ahead and believe whatever the government spoon feeds you.



As I said, there are volumes and volumes of well-researched and sourced work independent of the commission report that supports it.
And there are also volumes and volumes of other well-researched work that doesn't agree with it. And that is why I am undecided.

[01Snake]

And there are also volumes and volumes of other well-researched work that doesn't agree with it. And that is why I am undecided.


Like what? Loose Change or In Plane Sight? :lol

[Yonivore]

I never thought I'd see the day when Chump gets ripped as a BushCo apologist.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Well then go ahead and believe whatever the government spoon feeds you.:lmao And you keep posting links to music videos in the Political Forum.
And there are also volumes and volumes of other well-researched work that doesn't agree with it. And that is why I am undecided.I have yet to see anything that's well-researched coming from an objective, respectable source.

[Purple & Gold]

You are skeptical, but do you really give a shit about finding out anything else about 9/11?
Yes I do and that's why I want impeachment hearings and nothing less. There are many things that Bush and his buddies have done that I am upset about and do give a shit about. Bush has more to answer for than just what he knew about 9/11. He also has to answer for which reasons he used for going to war that he knew were lies. And he did knowingly use lies to go to war.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes I do and that's why I want impeachment hearings and nothing less.And what have you done to bring this about?

[Purple & Gold]

Like what? Loose Change or In Plane Sight? :lol
And what are your thoughts about both of those?

[mookie2001]

Bush has more to answer for than just what he knew about 9/11

He answered enough about 911!, with Cheney by his side... and we'll never know what he said... and he didnt take an oath...

[Purple & Gold]

And what have you done to bring this about?
I vote and voice my opinion.

And how have you helped your country?

[ChumpDumper]

And what are your thoughts about both of those?I think they are hack jobs that are full of easily disproved lies.

[01Snake]

And what are your thoughts about both of those?

Weak.

[clambake]

Why don't you convince me of something that will inspire my skepticism? You must have suspicion with some chronelogical(sp) order of what occured.

[ChumpDumper]

I vote and voice my opinion.How revolutionary of you.
And how have you helped your country?I vote and voice my opinion. If I thought Bush needed to be impeached that strongly, I'd do alot more.

[Purple & Gold]

I agree there are holes in both of them and that's why I am undecided. But I also see the holes in the 9/11 report. And the Bush Administration really has a big problem with credibility.

[Purple & Gold]

How revolutionary of you. I vote and voice my opinion. If I thought Bush needed to be impeached that strongly, I'd do alot more.
And what exactly would you do that's a lot more?

[Purple & Gold]

Why don't you convince me of something that will inspire my skepticism? You must have suspicion with some chronelogical(sp) order of what occured.
I don't doubt that terrorists flew planes into the towers. I just believe that Bush had some type of prior knowledge. Whether or not he allowed it to happen, I just don't know. But I haven't ruled it out.

[clambake]

Prior knowledge? Anything other than gut feeling? I mean, isn't that all we're asking?

[ChumpDumper]

And what exactly would you do that's a lot more?Join groups. Take part in rallies. Write congressmen and senators. If I thought Bush was behind 9/11 I'd either leave the country or consider joining a real resistance movement.

I wouldn't make videos that are easily refuted and show up at movie premieres and memorial services to insult the victims of 9/11.

But as it is, Bush will leave office in 2009 and hopefully the next guy won't be as bad.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I said what I believe happened, and when someone says "what about this" I address it.

I don't understand why no one else can say what they believe. Surely after five years someone could come up with a theory that ties together all their evidence -- even if they don't have all the answers.

Why is there not even a theory?



didnt i already tell you my theory
so thats 1 nut's theory out there

[Cant_Be_Faded]

marvin bush i said I SAID

[ChumpDumper]

I gave you links showing Marvin wasn't with Securatec during 9/11 and that Securatec hadn't done any work for the WTC or Dulles Airport or United Airlines for at least three years before 9/11.

[Purple & Gold]

Prior knowledge? Anything other than gut feeling? I mean, isn't that all we're asking?
Well let's see... there was intelligence before 9/11 (not translated) that stated that terrorists were going to attack with planes. There were warnings from other countries that an attack was imminent. A report from the Clinton Administration saying Al Qaeda was going to attack us. A CIA agent that brought up concerns about a certain person taking flying lessons, that was not looked into further. And the fact that Bush has constantly lied and has no credibility. And yes also a gut feeling.

[clambake]

These reports were coming from people that bush&co. would and did ignore.

[Purple & Gold]

Join groups.
What groups?


Take part in rallies.
Done


Write congressmen and senators.
Done



If I thought Bush was behind 9/11 I'd either leave the country or consider joining a real resistance movement.
Never said I thought he was behind 9/11. Just that I would not be surprised. I'm close enough to the border where I can leave at the drop of a hat. I've already served for this country and would rather do things in a proper political manner. Which is impeachment.



I wouldn't make videos that are easily refuted and show up at movie premieres and memorial services to insult the victims of 9/11.
And neither would I.


But as it is, Bush will leave office in 2009 and hopefully the next guy won't be as bad.
And that's not good enough. If hearings are not had and he's not made to pay for any crimes he may have committed, then we are condoning it and leaving the door open for it to happen again.

[Purple & Gold]

These reports were coming from people that bush&co. would and did ignore.
So is he responsible if he ignored intelligence?

[01Snake]

I'm close enough to the border where I can leave at the drop of a hat.

What, are you going to flee the country to Tijuana? :lol

[Purple & Gold]

What, are you going to flee the country to Tijuana? :lol
Of course TJ is like my second home. :smokin

[ChumpDumper]

And that's not good enough. If hearings are not had and he's not made to pay for any crimes he may have committed, then we are condoning it and leaving the door open for it to happen againSo what are you prepared to do in the next 23 months to make sure he is impeached?

[Purple & Gold]

So what are you prepared to do in the next 23 months to make sure he is impeached?
Continue with what I have done.

[ChumpDumper]

Continue with what I have done.Yeah, it's really working well. When is the next rally?

[Purple & Gold]

So what are you prepared to do in the next 23 months to make sure he is impeached?
And what are you going to do to make sure that another Administration like this one doesn't abuse it's power?

[Purple & Gold]

Yeah, it's really working well. When is the next rally?
So what do you recommend?

[ChumpDumper]

And what are you going to do to make sure that another Administration like this one doesn't abuse it's power?Vote for someone who says they won't. They haven't done much domestically that can't be reversed.

[ChumpDumper]

So what do you recommend?I'm not the one who wants him impeached.