Manu Ginobili: "We Believe."

[z0sa]

I quote that from the interview with Manu at the end of the second quarter. granted, it was before the collapse in the second half and fourth quarter, but its rodeo road trip time, the spurs feel the pressure, and they're going to react and come into championship form. Us fans need to come together and support them through this transition period - to the champions we have grown accustomed to.

Manu Ginobili believes. I think it's time for us to start believing too.

[Mr. Body]

Eh. I don't believe.

But of course, I'm not paid to believe, like he is.

[lefty]

If Spurs win it all, I would love to see how the quitters react. :donkey

[angel_luv]

Some of us haven't stopped believing. :)

[Kermit]

If Spurs win it all, I would love to see how the quitters react. :donkey

i don't think anyone's quitting, but there is no denying that the bench sucks and and the team is struggling.

[Mr. Body]

"We believe," he said, before they went out and lost the game.

[z0sa]

"We believe," he said, before they went out and lost the game.

So does that mean he's stopped believing now?

[lefty]

i don't think anyone's quitting, but there is no denying that the bench sucks and and the team is struggling.

And we all know that it's temporary

[lefty]

"We believe," he said, before they went out and lost the game.

It's not fair ; Manu couldn't anticipate Bavetta time

[SAGambler]

The biggest stumbling block seems to be the first 5 or 6 minutes of the 3rd quarter. Just look how many big leads or how deep in the hole they go in that one period of time.

Maybe the starters for the 2nd half, needs to be shaken up a bit. Something. Anything to stop this 3rd quarter can't-hit-a-shot for 10 minutes routine.

[Trifecta]

Maybe MANU, TP, and TD believes!!!

Now let's see if he can get the bench players to believe!!!

[sammy]

Manu is doing his part as well as Timmy & Tony! Too bad the rest of the team is crap!


I still believe in this team! Not giving up on them! :clap

[lefty]

Manu is doing his part as well as Timmy & Tony! Too bad the rest of the team is crap!


I still believe in this team! Not giving up on them! :clap

Taht's the spirit

[z0sa]

http://www.nba.com/media/japan/Spurs_Trophy_Finalstop0624.jpg

The season's not even over. We havent seen the best of the spurs yet.

[lefty]

http://www.nba.com/media/japan/Spurs_Trophy_Finalstop0624.jpg

Yep, at least we know what it takes to win it all

[Mr. Body]

So does that mean he's stopped believing now?

The point, grasshopper, is that believing is not enough. Sometimes there is a spoon. And it doesn't bend.

[LEONARD]

BELIEVE!!!!
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What happened to the war / battle / rally threads?? I think one of those would help the Spurs about now... :fro

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I quote that from the interview with Manu at the end of the second quarter. granted, it was before the collapse in the second half and fourth quarter, but its rodeo road trip time, the spurs feel the pressure, and they're going to react and come into championship form. Us fans need to come together and support them through this transition period - to the champions we have grown accustomed to.

Manu Ginobili believes. I think it's time for us to start believing too.

Pops delusion is infectious

This optimistic way of looking at things is going overboard. It's not about not believing that is keeping this team from playing up to its potential, it's about not accepting the fact that they are old. And it also happens that the bench just isn't ever going to produce because they are infertile.

And anyway Manu isn't going to say the team has holes and that they need to make a move...so holding what he said in high regard is pretty pointless, and probably--hopefully-- isn't a good indication of what he and the others are thinking deep down inside, but are scared to admit.

[Manu_The _Best]

I quote that from the interview with Manu at the end of the second quarter. granted, it was before the collapse in the second half and fourth quarter, but its rodeo road trip time, the spurs feel the pressure, and they're going to react and come into championship form. Us fans need to come together and support them through this transition period - to the champions we have grown accustomed to.

Manu Ginobili believes. I think it's time for us to start believing too.

here is WHAT I f*****g believe - Read Below THE TRUTH:

If anyone was kidding himself/herself before this game that the Spurs would have a slight chance to win it, he/she must’ve been delusional: I said before the game, we would lose by 20+, but MY MANU saved this great embarrassment, we lost ONLY by 16 points this time…I call this team all season long “Pop’s OLD DONKEYS”…The only bad prediction today was for “the high scoring game” – we all forgot the Spurs played last night, thus they weren’t capable of scoring 100 pts…Terrible second half with 17 pts each, showing the SPURS ARE DAMN OLD – Trust me fellows, the Spurs gave 100% in this game and still lost by 16 points – they were able to play only 1 half…This clearly shows how OLD THEY ARE...If this was the team from 2-3 years ago, the Spurs would’ve won both games – at Utah and tonight against the Suns (both teams are nothing special anyway!), but unfortunately today’s LOSS confirms once again without a doubt that the Spurs don’t have a complete and competitive roster to win a title this year – besides the BIG 3 and Barry, the rest of it is just a GARBAGE that needs to be released immediately after the season – I don’t want to go back and point the useless presence in the court of Oberto and Elson (both of them were discussed enough last night), but Finley was the “hero” again, proving that “miracles” in basketball do happen by hitting that winning “sparking” 3 vs. the LA – today, he was back to his regular old form – 22 min., 3 pts and 1-4 shooting - just miserable, proving his latest shining was a fluke; needless to say Beno and Vaughn are finished (!!!) – both of them combined with 0-4 from the floor and 1 TO – Bruce Bowen lost it as well (he is TOO OLD, couldn’t get a single 3, as he was 0-4 from the floor !!!) – I doubt things will get better…This is the worse team the Spurs have had during the Tim Duncan’s era – I say that because we really have only 4 players (plus somewhat Horry), who can produce something for us – with that, we will be lucky to pass the 1 st round in the Playoffs this year – as I said many times here, the season is OVER!!! The NBA elite is too much ahead of the Spurs – for the Spurs to win games, all 3 players (Manu, Tony and Tim) have to play 100% and score over 25 pts each IN EVERY GAME, something impossible to achieve – for example, Tim was tired of playing defense 2 games in a row (after a rough night at Utah) and couldn’t score in the 4th today (2 points only) because there is nobody to help him at the center - Oberto and Elson are useless, Horry is old… This whole team is a disgrace(!), the management and the coaching staff as well by doing NOTHING in the summer to improve this roster to compete – I guess 3 titles are enough and now we are saving Holt’s money for later - this is what we did during the summer…WHY NOT??? The fans have the BIG POCKETS, let them fool themselves and carry the burden of anger…I feel sorry for our stars – Manu, Timmy and Tony (plus Barry) – those guys deserve better (NOT play with the GARBAGE around them)…SA Fans pack your bags and start thinking for the next season – it is about time to scream at Holt, Pop and the management to start spending some real $$$ to create a competitive NBA squad, if they want to win another NBA title...

GO SPURS!!!
Beno is finished :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit

[spurschick]

I heard him say it and I truly think he meant it.

I still believe.

[phxspurfan]

ditto. I still remember watching us lose that playoff game 1 against Denver a few years ago and my SA buddy saying "Spurs are done."

[samikeyp]

Some of us haven't stopped believing.

Exactly.

A true fan never gives up on their team.

I fully recognize that the Spurs are not the best team in the league right now but I still plan to root and support them and I realize that until all the games are played they still have a chance. I was there when they were 20-62 and 62-20. The Spurs still have the 3rd best record in the league and have a legitimate shot at a title. There are tons of fans out there who would love their teams to be where the Spurs are.

I still believe, Spurs fans.

Do you?

[cornbread]

A true fan never gives up on their team.

Greatest quote of the day.

Just because we're not the best team right now doesn't mean I've stopped believing. Anything can happen. It's not over 'til it's over.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Some of us haven't stopped believing. :)Tell them, girl.http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/hit.gif

[Texas_Ranger]

If you believe that means nothing.
The Spurs need to start playing great basketball and believe will not help them.

[MoSpur]

I haven't given up on the Spurs. I think the Big Three have what it takes. The rest of the team needs to catch up. The bench play is horrible right now. The Spurs can pull it together. Its a matter of will they.

[SenorSpur]

Admitting the teams roster flaws or stating their weaknesses is not giving up - it's being realistic.

It's considered inappropriate for players must save face by making positive statements to the media. Fortunately for us, we have the ability and the forum to be a bit more candid in our opinions.

[BeerIsGood!]

Anyone can say "believe", as well as anyone can say "we suck, we're done." How about coming up with some reasons to back this stuff up...


Why do you still believe?


Why are the Spurs done?

Give detailed examples, not this "we're old... Pop sucks... Holt's cheap" shit. I'm not disputing those statements, but games are won on the court, and if there are specific and legitimate reasons you think this team can't get it together on the court let's hear it.

[SenorSpur]

Spurs aren't done. There's still time to improve. Yet they need an infusion of another, different type of player with skills that Barry, Finley and Bowen do not have.

It became obvious to me during the WCSF series versus the Mavs that the roster needed "tweaking for improvement", not just "tweaking to dump salaries". The mere fact that Pop changed his entire style of play in that series was ominous. It meant that he realized the recent rule changes limiting perimeter contact along with his traditional lineups were ineffective against a younger, quicker more athletic teams.

Now we will never know what the outcome of that series would have been had he not reverted to "small ball". Yet it was clear then they didn't have the type of players needed for this new style. It's still clear today. With that said, there's no excuse for not adding more quickness, scoring and athleticism at the SF position over the summer.

I heard a stat the other night that in each of the Spurs losses so far, they have been outscored in the 3rd quarter. They cannot seem to muster the will, energy of efficiency needed to "ward off" their opponent's best shot in that quarter.

[bdictjames]

I can see from his face, Duncan still believes. We have a chance to get 5th seed in the West and win it all.

[z0sa]

You wanna know why i think the spurs lost last night? Tm Duncan was off. Those little hookshots he always makes, he wasn't last night. it was a momentum buster when we needed to string together some shots to take the lead. It was a close game until the last few minutes. We had what it takes.

Everyone has an off game. The spurs know what they need to do. They were doing great for most of the game, except for two key stretches in the third and fourth.

[duncanchick21]

:downspin: :clap thanks samikeyp for your motivating word and to the other fans who still believe in the team!! like the great master yoda said: "do or do not, there is no try" I still believe in you guys!! GO SPURS GO!!

[sabar]

I don't believe since that's blind hope at this point. Plus it gives a false sense that our team is actually fine the way it is.

I believe the big 3 will give it their all each and every game.
I don't believe the same can be said about the whole team.

I'd stick with the Spurs even if they lost 60 games in a row, but that doesn't mean I think they can win it all.

I'll believe if the bench ever steps up.
I'll believe if the front office ever does something.

[nkdlunch]

that was awesome. Manu reads this site for sure

[dg7md]

I seriously thought after that interview is when we started going into championship form and finish the RRT 7-1 or 6-2. Now? I don't know. It's not too late to go 6-2 but it won't have the same meaning.

[ALVAREZ6]

that was awesome. Manu reads this site for sure
That's exactly what I thought when I heard the live interview.

After hearing Manu saying "We Believe," I knew he was a SpursTalk lurker. He must be a fan of Timvp.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Anyone can say "believe", as well as anyone can say "we suck, we're done." How about coming up with some reasons to back this stuff up...


Why do you still believe?


Why are the Spurs done?

Give detailed examples, not this "we're old... Pop sucks... Holt's cheap" shit. I'm not disputing those statements, but games are won on the court, and if there are specific and legitimate reasons you think this team can't get it together on the court let's hear it.

Sorry to break it to you, but in the NBA games are won off the court as well. It's an organizations' way of helping prepare a championship squad. This is a business. And you have the on-the-court business, and off-the-court business, and both have to be carefully managed for a team to be successfull. In a way it's like High School or College b ball--the good teams are always the top recruiters.

Old age is no less a legitimate reason for their on-the-court problems than anything else, and if you need someone to be direct about the many flaws they have that are related to it just take look at some of the other threads of the last month, because everything that can be said has pretty much already been said. And it's exactly that--the obviousness of their faults, and the Everalsting neglect of the front office to deal with them--that has pissed a lot of people off.

And to the person who said "a true fan never stops believing":

A true fan never stops being a fan. Thats really it, because at some point it will become clear to EVERYONE that this team will not go far. At this point, the only thing seperating the "believers" and "non-believers" is time--and nothing to do with flawed assessment.

I mean, do you really think every Hawk fan out there for the past million years believes there team can win a championship?

They are just fans. It has nothing to do with believing or not believing.

[samikeyp]

And to the person who said "a true fan never stops believing":

who said that?

You might be referring to me but what I said was "A true fan never gives up on their team" which means win or lose, you support them regardless.

[Manu_The _Best]

Exactly.

A true fan never gives up on their team.

I fully recognize that the Spurs are not the best team in the league right now but I still plan to root and support them and I realize that until all the games are played they still have a chance. I was there when they were 20-62 and 62-20. The Spurs still have the 3rd best record in the league and have a legitimate shot at a title. There are tons of fans out there who would love their teams to be where the Spurs are.

I still believe, Spurs fans.

Do you?

A true Fan has to be realistic what is happening with this team, but NOT be JUST blindfolded, screaming "GO SPURS GO" without even thinking about the travesty going with this team...Hey, I ALSO believe that I will be the next Bill Gates, but unfortunately the chances for me to be like him are very, very, very, very low...supporing the team in general has NOTHING TO DO with faith and belief - If you are REALLY TRUE FAN OF THE SPURS, YOU HAVE TO CALL HOLT, POP AND THE MANAGEMENT and tell them to make trades, draft players, increase the budget (because we are away behind the Mavs in the spending department), in order to be competitive in the NBA...If they don't want to do that and basically F**K around with our main guys, we CAN'T SIT DOWN AND WATCH...Belief has nothing to do with what's right for this team...and certainly the travesty Holt and the Management is doing to the Fans is unheard of!!! Timmy, Manu, Tony and Barry HAVE NO HELP from ANYONE besides Horry from time to time, but he is also OLD...These are the issues you need to address if you are REALLY a SPURS FAN - otherwise, what you are talking about is given for every true fan, who has his season ticket, NBA League Pass, support the team with traveling, etc.

GO SPURS!!!
Beno is finished :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit

[THE SIXTH MAN]

I've never stop believing. And I never will. But that wont stop me from realizing that besides the big three our bench is dog shit.

[samikeyp]

A true Fan has to be realistic what is happening with this team, but NOT be JUST blindfolded, screaming "GO SPURS GO" without even thinking about the travesty going with this team

Manu_The _Best, I agree with you 100% but I think you may have misinterpreted my post. I believe that a true fan supports their team whether they are winning or losing. I am not saying that Spurs fans shouldn't call for change or shouldn't be pissed if they lose. I absolutely believe you should and as a loyal fan, you want the best possible team on the floor. You want the coaches, players and management to do everything possible to win. You can be totally pissed at your team and still be loyal to them. In no way am I staying the team should stand pat.....improvements need to be made and as a loyal and true fan, I will be pissed if they aren't but I will not stop being a fan.

[samikeyp]

I've never stop believing. And I never will. But that wont stop me from realizing that besides the big three or bench is dog shit.

summed it up even better than I did! :tu

[Ronaldo McDonald]

who said that?

You might be referring to me but what I said was "A true fan never gives up on their team" which means win or lose, you support them regardless.

You didn't exactly say it, I just inferred that you meant it because of your response to one of the posters that said he would never stop believing.

It was only in the relationship of your response to that posters that the statement "a true fan never gives up on his team", was taken out of context.

Do you get what I'm saying? If you didn't mean it that way I understand where you are coming from though...

[samikeyp]

These things happen on a message board..its all good. I am pretty sure we are on the same page. :tu

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Manu_The _Best, I agree with you 100% but I think you may have misinterpreted my post. I believe that a true fan supports their team whether they are winning or losing. I am not saying that Spurs fans shouldn't call for change or shouldn't be pissed if they lose. I absolutely believe you should and as a loyal fan, you want the best possible team on the floor. You want the coaches, players and management to do everything possible to win. You can be totally pissed at your team and still be loyal to them. In no way am I staying the team should stand pat.....improvements need to be made and as a loyal and true fan, I will be pissed if they aren't but I will not stop being a fan.

Exactly. Support and Believing are two totally different things.

[samikeyp]

agreed....I still believe that the Spurs have a shot at the title, I just do not believe they are the favorite or the best team in the NBA right now.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

agreed....I still believe that the Spurs have a shot at the title, I just do not believe they are the favorite or the best team in the NBA right now.

Same here... they are light years away from being non-contenders...But as the season progresses and the losses pile up I become increasingly pessimistic about this teams capabilities.

But I'm also aware that the Spurs have the potential to having an extremely good play-off run, while the Mavs and Suns are equally prone to play bad in the playoffs. Within reasonable cirumstances, anything can happen. The Spurs aren't the Hawks or anything ... and the Mavs and Suns aren't the Bulls, despite what some of them might think.

[ploto]

I believe in Manu.

[nkdlunch]

Manu reads these posts and also knows about his church followers.

Next time, he will turn the gatorade on the bench into wine

[Manu_The _Best]

Manu_The _Best, I agree with you 100% but I think you may have misinterpreted my post. I believe that a true fan supports their team whether they are winning or losing. I am not saying that Spurs fans shouldn't call for change or shouldn't be pissed if they lose. I absolutely believe you should and as a loyal fan, you want the best possible team on the floor. You want the coaches, players and management to do everything possible to win. You can be totally pissed at your team and still be loyal to them. In no way am I staying the team should stand pat.....improvements need to be made and as a loyal and true fan, I will be pissed if they aren't but I will not stop being a fan.

Ok, I probably misread it, however, if a Fan brings the subject of what's wrong with the team and say "Spurs Fans pack your bags", it doesn't mean he is NOT supportive - it means he is fed up with the current Owner and the Management for the lack of activity to make this team MUCH better - they show a total disreptect to the average Fan, who spends his hard earned $$$ for tickets, travel, etc. (the last time I was in Boston, and taped the warm up if you remember!)!?! However, I also support the PLAYERS like yourself, who gave us so much joy in the last 7 years, don't get me wrong...but, when the management is doing NOTHING to improve this team, my point is/was strike the management somehow...that's ALL.

GO SPURS!!!
Beno is finished

[WalterBenitez]

I believe in me ... the rest are simple humans :drunk

[Cherry]

Eh. I don't believe.

But of course, I'm not paid to believe, like he is.

are you retarded?

[rascal]

When players have to start saying "We Believe" its not a good sign.

[E20]

When players have to start saying "We Believe" its not a good sign.
Your rationale being?

[bigfundamental21]

Manu reads these posts and also knows about his church followers.

Next time, he will turn the gatorade on the bench into wine


:lol :lol :lol :lol

This is exactly what we need. Lighten up people! Let's not over analyze this thing. We know what the team is capable of, but whether or not they reach that level remains to be seen. There is still plenty of time to get there. Whether we win it all or lose all the remaining games, I am and will forever be a SPURS FAN!

GO SPURS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nkdlunch]

When players have to start saying "We Believe" its not a good sign.

I agree, but Manu is a realist, he knows besides the big 3 we are a lottery team, so they must beleive or they might as well tank the season

[SPURS4LIFE21]

I still believe :smokin

[nuclearfm]

right on.