Why not have the Rodeo at Alamodome????

[lebomb]

What else are they using that big ass barn for??? The can have the entire rodeo going on concurently, including the market they now currently have in the Freeman. :(

They need to field a UTsa football program and move the rodeo to the dome. Use that damned elephant.

There is no reason the Spurs should be playing 8-9 games on the road period anymore. :pctoss

[leemajors]

well, there is the fact that part of the reason the at&t center was built is to house the rodeo, which brings a lot of money to SA.

[dbestpro]

There are not alot of barns for the cows, pigs and goats that show and make up the backbone of the rodeo at the alamodome.

[Trainwreck2100]

does any other professional sports team get kicked out of their own arena for 2+ weeks every year?

Bulls-Circus

[WalterBenitez]

so, it's all about money ... :greedy

[T Park]

the spurs wouldnt be here, nor would there be an at&T center, if it wasnt for alot of the help from the rodeo.



So you ignorant bozos can STFU on that.

[FromWayDowntown]

so, it's all about money ... :greedy

No -- it's all about the fact that when the Spurs went to the City and asked for help in financing a new, mid-sized arena, the city leaders in office at that point in time farted around and didn't do anything that had any chance of winning a popular vote. They decided to tie any vote on financing a building to all sorts of pet projects that were inherently divisive to the citizens of San Antonio.

When it became clear that Holt & Co. weren't kidding around with their threats to move the team to other cities (New Orleans, in particular), the County government (and Cyndi Krier, in particular) stepped up to the plate and put together a feasible plan for financing what is now the AT&T Center. The location of the AT&T Center and it's use as a rodeo facility are all consequences of City leadership not delivering when the Spurs asked. The County did what it had to do.

The County is the putative operator of the AT&T Center. The County's building houses the San Antonio Stock Show & Rodeo. As long as those 2 things are true -- and as long as the Rodeo takes place in February -- the Spurs are going to be taking long road trips to accommodate the rodeo.

The County can't realistically move the Rodeo to the Alamodome. To do so would require the County to lease the Alamodome from the City of San Antonio and likely hand over large portions of the income derived from the Rodeo to the City. I can't imagine why anyone would think that the County should waste money like that.

[T Park]

and the money the rodeo makes funds scholarships to kids that show their animals at the rodeo.

So you lose the money they make, kids are out of scholarships,

[RonMexico]

Not only that, it's a good bonding experience and maybe Beno can admit he hasn't been shooting well because he's also a gay NBA athlete.

[Extra Stout]

does any other professional sports team get kicked out of their own arena for 2+ weeks every year?
Lakers - Grammys

[FromWayDowntown]

Lakers - Grammys

That would mean the Clippers, too.

[FromWayDowntown]

At least the Spurs aren't out of their building for the sort of trip that the Astros had to take in 1992 to make way for the Republican National Convention or that the Jazz had to take in 2002 to clear out for the Winter Olympics.

[Brutalis]

You guys do realize the rest of the country wonders the same thing right?

You have one of the largest arena's in the country in the Alamodome and the genius people in south Texas don't realize hey.. maybe we can put the stupid rodeo there...

[Kori Ellis]

No Rodeo = No AT&T Center = No San Antonio Spurs

The Bulls get kicked out for the circus and play more road games in a shorter period, I believe.

The Spurs came home for five days in the middle of the trip - it's not like they are out there on a long grueling trip.

Why would you want the Spurs to play at home; they aren't that great at home.

And on a side note, can y'all (not just the thread starter) stop make thread titles that are two and three lines long? Thanks.

[FromWayDowntown]

You guys do realize the rest of the country wonders the same thing right?

You have one of the largest arena's in the country in the Alamodome and the genius people in south Texas don't realize hey.. maybe we can put the stupid rodeo there...

They CAN'T put the rodeo there. Really. They can't.

[Kori Ellis]

...

You have one of the largest arena's in the country in the Alamodome and the genius people in south Texas don't realize hey.. maybe we can put the stupid rodeo there...

I guess you didn't read FromWayDowntown's post.

The team was going to move if the new arena didn't get funded.

The way it got funded was in agreement that the Rodeo would take place there.

[Extra Stout]

You guys do realize the rest of the country wonders the same thing right?

You have one of the largest arena's in the country in the Alamodome and the genius people in south Texas don't realize hey.. maybe we can put the stupid rodeo there...
The Alamodome doesn't even have room for parking -- where would the stockyard go?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

You guys do realize the rest of the country wonders the same thing right?

You have one of the largest arena's in the country in the Alamodome and the genius people in south Texas don't realize hey.. maybe we can put the stupid rodeo there...

No, we don't realize that at all. :rolleyes

The genius people in South Texas realize that the Rodeo has a lot of tradition, brings in money to the local economy and helps a segment of the population whose lives are directly affected by farming. This is Texas, there's a lot of livestock- and agriculture-based business here, so it's just as important to the community (hence the reason Austin, Houston, Dallas and damn near every other city has some sort of Stock Show and Rodeo).

It'd be akin to Arkansas having gatherings and yearly events that give scholarships to people whose lives are based in something that's prevalent and necessary for the survival of the state: sibling fucking.

[Kori Ellis]

The Rodeo raised $7.2 million in scholarships, grants and other educational commitments in 2006.

[T Park]

This is Texas, there's a lot of livestock- and agriculture-based business here, so it's just as important to the community (hence the reason Austin, Houston, Dallas and damn near every other city has some sort of Stock Show and Rodeo).



yeah if you think this rodeo is a big deal, Houston makes this one look like a flea market.

[T Park]

The Rodeo raised $7.2 million in scholarships, grants and other educational commitments in 2006.

yeah lets get rid of that according to the peanut gallery......

[Phenomanul]

No one discussed the other option... moving the Rodeo timeframe to sometime between July and September....

[Kori Ellis]

No one discussed the other option... moving the Rodeo timeframe to sometime between July and September....

:lol You can't just move the rodeo. There's a national rodeo schedule.

[FromWayDowntown]

No one discussed the other option... moving the Rodeo timeframe to sometime between July and September....

I would imagine that has been discussed and rejected for any number of reasons. I'd guess that the primary reason for not changing that time has to do with the fact that other cities that have long hosted rodeos have chosen particular periods of time for those events and aren't willing to bend. I have no idea if the SASSR scheduling is dependent, in any way, upon some sort of Pro Rodeo schedule, though I would think it is.

My pure guess would be that the Pro Rodeo schedule does not afford an opportunity to have the rodeo here in that July-September range.

And I'd also guess that part of the reason for that is that the summertime rodeos tend to be held in places where a winter rodeo would be miserable -- rodeo-friendly states in the west and northwest, like Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, and Montana for example. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to demand that a rodeo in one of those places get moved up to February -- not many people would be willing to attend because of weather concerns.

Likewise, if you did accomplish that, you'd be requiring the entire rodeo circuit to pick up shop, travel from somewhere like Wyoming to San Antonio and then back to the northwest. With all of the logistical issues associated with moving a rodeo, I'd think the cost of doing that would be prohibitive.

[Buddy Holly]

The SA rodeo has been picked the best rodeo in the country the last two years. Who gives a crap is the Spurs have to play on the road. Jesus christ, don't some of you have more important things to cry about?

[kskonn]

Plus I know this is small but the concerts(which are one of the big attractions) are much better in the At&t center than they would be at the Alamo Dome.

[FromWayDowntown]

Apparenly, the complaint is that the County should lease out the Alamodome to hold its Rodeo. Isolated concerts don't give the same heartache.

I'm sure, though, that these are the same people who think that the Spurs should lease out the Alamodome when they play in the NBA Finals.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

yeah if you think this rodeo is a big deal, Houston makes this one look like a flea market.

They do it up HUGE, right down to the musical acts. Hannah Montana and the Cheetah Girls are headlining this year. :lol

[T Park]

The SA rodeo has been picked the best rodeo in the country the last two years

I'd love to know who votes on that.

Its a crock of shit it wins ahead of Houston's...

[T Park]

Hannah Montana and the Cheetah Girls are headlining this year.

Uh no.

Beyonce, nd other TOP TOP country acts are playing.


But Id say BEYONCE is the headliner ahead of them,


Do your research next time skippy.

[BeerIsGood!]

Uh no.

Beyonce, nd other TOP TOP country acts are playing.


But Id say BEYONCE is the headliner ahead of them,


Do your research next time skippy.

Did you have a bad day? Snappin' at everyone...

[K-State Spur]

Why is this a big deal? I, for one, rather like the rodeo trip. It's a (semi) distinctive aspect of the Spurs. And, in at least two of our championship years, you could make the argument that team turned the corner on the trip.

[SequSpur]

Bullshit.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Screw having the Rodeo at the Alamo Dome.... Let's just get Monster Jam 10 times a year

[SrA Husker]

Some road trips in the NBA just this season...


Chicago Circus (7 games, 12 days)
Disney Ice (7 games, 12 days)
San Antonio Rodeo (8 games, 14 days)
LA Lakers Grammys (8 games, 13 days)
LA Clippers Grammys (7 games, 11 days)
Philadelphia Disney Ice (7 games, 11 days)
New Jersey 6 games, 10 days
Boston 5 games, 7 days


Road trips are a fact of life in any sport, any level. San Antonio gets off pretty easy with the 5 day break, too. They also give the team a break in the early part of the season by having lots of home games near each other.

Quit your bitching.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

yeah if you think this rodeo is a big deal, Houston makes this one look like a flea market.

I think my point was is that the concept of a SS&R is so important to Texas that every city has one. I wasn't saying Houston's wasn't big.

You're turning into the Buddy Holly of SS&Rs in this thread. No need for competition here (as much as I dislike Houston).

[Brutalis]

It'd be akin to Arkansas having gatherings and yearly events that give scholarships to people whose lives are based in something that's prevalent and necessary for the survival of the state: sibling fucking.

This is Arkansas not Alabama bud.

[dknights411]

The only thing the Alamodome is good for is football and Spurs championship rallys. ;)

[AlamoSpursFan]

Another case of "I don't like it...let's get rid of it!".

There's an awful lot of us here in South Texas who happen to love the rodeo and everything it stands for (although if I were in charge, the musical entertainment would be 110% better than it is now).

[AlamoSpursFan]

Uh no.

Beyonce, nd other TOP TOP country acts are playing.


But Id say BEYONCE is the headliner ahead of them,


Do your research next time skippy.

Define TOP TOP country acts, Tpark.

Willie Nelson, Alan Jackson, and Brooks & Dunn are the only acts even CLOSE to being Top Country acts.

Trace Adkins, Neil McCoy, Lee Ann Womack and Montgomery Gentry are barely half-way decent.

Gretchen Wilson, Big & Rich, Josh Turner and Sugarland are yawners...The Bellamy Brothers are done...Gary Allan flat out sucks ass.

The only ray of sunshine in this year's crappy line up is the fact that the Rodeo folks have finally started to realize that Nashville sucks.

Kevin Fowler, Cross Canadian Ragweed, Randy Rogers Band, Wade Bowen, and Stoney LaRue...now THERE'S a good start at a TEXAS music lineup!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Define TOP TOP country acts, Tpark.

Willie Nelson, Alan Jackson, and Brooks & Dunn are the only acts even CLOSE to being Top Country acts.

Trace Adkins, Neil McCoy, Lee Ann Womack and Montgomery Gentry are barely half-way decent.

Gretchen Wilson, Big & Rich, Josh Turner and Sugarland are yawners...The Bellamy Brothers are done...Gary Allan flat out sucks ass.

The only ray of sunshine in this year's crappy line up is the fact that the Rodeo folks have finally started to realize that Nashville sucks.

Kevin Fowler, Cross Canadian Ragweed, Randy Rogers Band, Wade Bowen, and Stoney LaRue...now THERE'S a good start at a TEXAS music lineup!

Hey, I like Gary Allan.

[AlamoSpursFan]

Hey, I like Gary Allan.

Nobody sings country music like a California surfer boy...

:lmao

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Nobody sings country music like a California surfer boy...

:lmao

I don't classify music, I likes what I likes.

[AlamoSpursFan]

I don't classify music, I likes what I likes.

Point well taken.

I might like Gary Allan if he wasn't shoved down my throat by the idiots in Nashville as "country".

I like a lot of Shania Twain's songs, but I despise her for being a very big nail in the coffin that what used to be country is buried in.

[dknights411]

Define TOP TOP country acts, Tpark.

Willie Nelson, Alan Jackson, and Brooks & Dunn are the only acts even CLOSE to being Top Country acts.

Trace Adkins, Neil McCoy, Lee Ann Womack and Montgomery Gentry are barely half-way decent.

Gretchen Wilson, Big & Rich, Josh Turner and Sugarland are yawners...The Bellamy Brothers are done...Gary Allan flat out sucks ass.

The only ray of sunshine in this year's crappy line up is the fact that the Rodeo folks have finally started to realize that Nashville sucks.

Kevin Fowler, Cross Canadian Ragweed, Randy Rogers Band, Wade Bowen, and Stoney LaRue...now THERE'S a good start at a TEXAS music lineup!

Hey, I was at the Big and Rich concert, and I thought they were really good. You don't REALLY need an A-list star to have a good time, you know.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Uh no.

Beyonce, nd other TOP TOP country acts are playing.


But Id say BEYONCE is the headliner ahead of them,


Do your research next time skippy.

I've been to the Houston Rodeo, I've gone to Houston Rodeo with good friends of mine, and you sir, did not pick up on the sarcasm there.

[wildbill2u]

Some folks have given reasons why the ATT center is on the Rodeo grounds, but the thread was about the Rodeo moving>

Some additional reasons why the rodeo won't move downtown:
1. City vs County politics of the governmental bodies and office holders.

2. Vested interests of powerful folks. I don't think many of you understand how things work in SA. There are lots of powerfully connected folks who have a long history with the Rodeo at the county site and who have run it for years. Did you know that Mary Nan West, the Rodeo President, used to have a personal doublewide mobile home on a space at the the Rodeo grounds owned by the county when she was in town from her ranch? These folks aren't about to give up their 'play-purty''s home ground for the Spurs and put themselves under the City.

3. Money. The Rodeo folks spurred the County to action and saved the Spurs from leaving--but they get a nice year round subsidy in the way of lease payments on the new building. Their old Collusium building was getting less and less in the way of leased events other than the Rodeo. So it wasn't all altruism that buildt the ATT center.

[diego]

so did the spurs ownership and rodeo ownership make some kind of joint agreement to the county, or are they just plain old rental contracts? sounds like they doubleteamed the county to pay up!

and what does the city do with the alamodome?

(I'm just a curious foreigner)

[dg7md]

so, it's all about money ... :greedy

Yes, that's true. The whole NBA is all about money, with all major organized sports following-suit.

[T Park]

Define TOP TOP country acts, Tpark.

Willie Nelson, Alan Jackson, and Brooks & Dunn are the only acts even CLOSE to being Top Country acts.

Trace Adkins, Neil McCoy, Lee Ann Womack and Montgomery Gentry are barely half-way decent.

Gretchen Wilson, Big & Rich, Josh Turner and Sugarland are yawners...The Bellamy Brothers are done...Gary Allan flat out sucks ass.

The only ray of sunshine in this year's crappy line up is the fact that the Rodeo folks have finally started to realize that Nashville sucks.

Kevin Fowler, Cross Canadian Ragweed, Randy Rogers Band, Wade Bowen, and Stoney LaRue...now THERE'S a good start at a TEXAS music lineup!


Im talking Houston, not San ANtonio.

The sa rodeo could do like 150 trillion times greater than it does.


Josh Turner is cool now, dont get country high and mighty now :lol

[ShoogarBear]

RIF people, the guy didn't say get rid of the Rodeo, he asked why it couldn't be moved. It was a perfectly reasonable question for non-inferiority complex types, and FWD answered it. It's not clear to a lot of us the divisions between the City and the County.

[Cry Havoc]

Why can't the Spurs play in the Alamodome during the rodeo? That would be awesome. Just like old times. =)

[ShoogarBear]

Why can't the Spurs play in the Alamodome during the rodeo? That would be awesome. Just like old times. =)For the fans, that would be an interesting solution, but I imagine Spurs have essentially an exclusivity agreement with the AT&T Center as part of their contract.

The Rodeo trip has turned out to be a Good Thing during the Tim Duncan Era, but it will probably be something very painful to endure after he retires (or signs with the Lakers in 08).

[FromWayDowntown]

The Spurs don't play in the Alamodome, ever, because they are partial owners of the AT&T Center. In order to play any games at the 'Dome, they'd have to rent the building from the City of San Antonio and they'd have to give up (I'm sure) a significant portion of the concessions and other non-ticket revenue that such an event would realize.

It's far more financially advantageous for the Spurs to take the RRT every year than it could ever conceivably be for them to play another game in the Alamodome.

[tlongII]

Rodeo = More sheep! :eyebrows