Wade on Dirk

[ponky]

post it i don't remember it...... could have been joking around.....

you weren't joking around. i actually asked you why you hated the mavs and posed a couple of reasons. anyway, it doesn't matter, i could care less, you just like to flame and talk shit so that we still know you're here

[dirk4mvp]

Little boy?

Dude, I'm in High School. :downspin:


How can you be old school if you're in high school?

[Amare_32]

i never thought i'd say this, but this new poster is worse than chris_childs and fillmoe combined. completely useless


The ignore option is a wonderful thing.

[1Parker1]

I wasn't trying to put any team down (unless it's the kings just to piss fillmoe off). But Spur fans come in and talk about mavs choke job all the time and take the defensive with the 3 rings talk. Nobody wants to hear that just as much as nobody wants to hear mavs fans spouting off about us being 07 champs in february.

Well, it's pretty easy to dicern troll/unintelligent Spurs fans from the good ones. If you'd notice almost all Spurs fans are giving the Mavs mad props this season and stating that they will probably win it all this season.


And sorry to say, but the Mavs did choke last Finals. Bottom line. It happens, it was your first time in the Finals and they had a tough series against SA and the Suns to get through. No one said winning a championship was easy. And of course Spurs fans are going to prop their team's THREE rings. If the Mavs win one, you'll understand how hard and rare it is for a team to win a championship in this league. A LOT of things have to go your way. Just because you have the talent and coach doesn't mean shit. You need lucky shots to bounce your way, you need a leader and go-to guy to step up, and you need to make plays when it matters most. Mavs didn't have any of those things in the final 4 games of the Finals last season, hence the loss.


Either way, Mavs are looking damn good right now and if my beloved Spurs don't make a trade anytime soon, I don't see anyone stopping the Mavs from winning it all this season.

[Fillmoe]

i never thought i'd say this, but this new poster is worse than chris_childs and fillmoe combined. completely useless


:sleep :sleep :nope :nope

i speak the truth and apparently it hurts.......

[Fillmoe]

How can you be old school if you're in high school?


maybe hes a 3rd year senior?

[1Parker1]

and yet they could never repeat the next year...my point, is that nobody wrote the spurs off during the in-between years when the spurs failed to win BTBs...the mavs have not let up this season, there is no reason to believe that they'll choke again and get swept, just like there was no reason to believe that even though the spurs got swept by the lakers, they were done for...i wasn't dissing the spurs so much as saying that using one series to predict what will happen in the future (as mavs haters are so fond of doing) is stupid...there are dumbass mavs fans too that like to tout records so i'm not arguing with that, i'm just pointing out the fallacy of your argument


:wtf Who is saying that the Mavs are finished this season or that they've regressed this season? I don't think anyone is dumb enough to argue that. And it's not about choking or getting swept if they get a chance to go to the Finals this season again. As I mentioned in the post before, it's a long and hard post season process where anything can happen.

[ponky]

:sleep :sleep :nope :nope

i speak the truth and apparently it hurts.......


hahaha HURTS?!?!?!?! nah bitch, i'm watching the suns win and i'm celebrating (sorry amare_32, i still *heart* u!!!) anyway, you hate the mavs/suns banter so much and yet you always come in and talk shit...i don't see mavs fans running around talking shit about the kings all the time, but whatever

[ponky]

:wtf Who is saying that the Mavs are finished this season or that they've regressed this season? I don't think anyone is dumb enough to argue that. And it's not about choking or getting swept if they get a chance to go to the Finals this season again. As I mentioned in the post before, it's a long and hard post season process where anything can happen.

I agree with you but there are several (NOT all) Spurs fans saying that the Mavs don't have what it takes because they choked last season, thus implying that this is the reason they won't ever win a championship. They might not win for lots of reasons including injuries, getting beaten by another good team, but it won't be because they choked.

[Old School Fool]

How can you be old school if you're in high school?

I don't know why this is my name, its just something I picked back in 2003 on another forum.


i never thought i'd say this, but this new poster is worse than chris_childs and fillmoe combined. completely useless

Ponky.

Ponky!

Ponky?

You're a funny girl (sorry, yeah you're not a guy.....OR ARE YOU?!), you should work at the Local Comedy Club down here, they'd totally like you.

[ponky]

I don't know why this is my name, its just something I picked back in 2003 on another forum.



Ponky.

Ponky!

Ponky?

You're a funny girl (sorry, yeah you're not a guy.....OR ARE YOU?!), you should work at the Local Comedy Club down here, they'd totally like you.

stop dissing me fool, i'm rooting for your lakers!

[Old School Fool]

stop dissing me fool, i'm rooting for your lakers!

...and I'm rooting for your Ma--....no nevermind, sorry. :fro

[Fillmoe]

...and I'm rooting for your Ma--....no nevermind, sorry. :fro

back to shoving scooters up her ass please

[Old School Fool]

back to shoving scooters up her ass please

Hahahahaha, nice. :hat

Also, what scooter? Razor, Sharper Image, or the great Brett Hull?

[ponky]

back to shoving scooters up her ass please

go read kori's post about being so crass

[Fillmoe]

go read kori's post about being so crass


dry snitchin ass..... i dont recall making the original statement

[Old School Fool]

dry snitchin ass..... i dont recall making the original statement

Dude..


L.A. Murs 2:49 Murray's Revenge 4 2/3/2007 12:20 PM

Thanks for reminding me about that.

[Sacramental]

everybody likes d-wade right now partly because hes not a bragger or doesnt talk trash, but in a couple years he's going to be the next floyd mayweather, i tell you.

[ponky]

dry snitchin ass..... i dont recall making the original statement

haha, i wasn't all crass about it...although, i can be, but i'm too tired to put much effort into these posts right now...i still can't believe you're indian, everytime you post i have a mental image of a black dude

[Old School Fool]

everybody likes d-wade right now partly because hes not a bragger or doesnt talk trash, but in a couple years he's going to be the next floyd mayweather, i tell you.

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/8749/2000259755715668535_rs.jpg

[dirk4mvp]

everybody likes d-wade right now partly because hes not a bragger or doesnt talk trash, but in a couple years he's going to be the next floyd mayweather, i tell you.


mayweather sucksssssss.

[Old School Fool]

mayweather sucksssssss.

So do you, but I'm not saying anything. Wait..

...shit.

[dirk4mvp]

Old School Fool for poster of the year, '07

[Wackramental]

Mike Bibby >>>>>> The Dallas Mavericks. You guys are lucky we don't have a starting lineup of 5 Mike Bibby's otherwise we would have won the championship 6 years in a row

[timvp]

Damn, Wade owned the Mavs in the Finals and owned them again with one paragraph.

And Cuban's response would make John Amaechi blush.

[Trainwreck2100]

Damn, Wade owned the Mavs in the Finals and owned them again with one paragraph.

And Cuban's response would make John Amaechi blush.

Has he made one or are you being facetious

[Kori Ellis]

Anyone have the audio?

I want to hear the question that led to Dwyane Wade's answer.

[Shank]

He wrote about it on blogmaverick.com earlier today.

[Shank]

Anyone have the audio?

I want to hear the question that led to Dwyane Wade's answer.

Not that I know of. I still haven't heard the context in which he gave that response. There were a ton of quotes about Wade/Lebron, but it seems like the Dirk quotes were just totally random.

[ponky]

Anyone have the audio?

I want to hear the question that led to Dwyane Wade's answer.

http://videosearch2.nba.com/search/?sp_a=sp10038c44&sp_t=video&sp_k=wmvasf&sp_q=Dallas+Mavericks&sp_s=postdate

i think it's the sixth one, where dirk is wearing a green/black warmup top...eh, just listened to it again, lots of talk about the finals, not much about "giving it away" although maybe wade was mad because dirk said that he felt like in the past they didn't have confidence when playing the the better teams like the spurs and last season they gained that confidence...and i guess he didn't include the heat as one of those *better* teams

[Trainwreck2100]

i can't believe he's bitching about the refs, when on Letterman before the Finals he said he was happy with the rule changes that opened up the game for superstars like Dirk, Lebron, and Dwane Wade.

Also 25 years from now nobody will remember the FTs because the winners write the history. I doubt Mavs fans will care because by then they should have had a title.

[dave]

''I guess you have earned the right to criticize Dirk with an obvious display of your own leadership skills.

I know Shaq appreciates your leadership as well. He called out your team a few weeks ago saying it was "embarassing'. Great leadership DWade. Your coach sat players for being fat. I guess you couldnt lead them away from the buffet.

You are an amazing player Dwayne. I love watching you shoot free throws. What you know about Dirk's leadership skills is non existent. You don't have a clue. Your ability to evaluate leadership skills....well you obviously have an overinflated value of your own. Did you take business classes at Marquette ?''

[mikejones99]

Ponky's mom must be horny again.

[ponky]

Ponky's mom must be horny again.

wow, an "i'm going to diss your momma" repsonse...so creative

[td4mvp21]

''I guess you have earned the right to criticize Dirk with an obvious display of your own leadership skills.

I know Shaq appreciates your leadership as well. He called out your team a few weeks ago saying it was "embarassing'. Great leadership DWade. Your coach sat players for being fat. I guess you couldnt lead them away from the buffet.

You are an amazing player Dwayne. I love watching you shoot free throws. What you know about Dirk's leadership skills is non existent. You don't have a clue. Your ability to evaluate leadership skills....well you obviously have an overinflated value of your own. Did you take business classes at Marquette ?''

:lol I saw that, Cuban basically owned the Heat. But I like how he and all other Mavs fans just change the subject when someone questions Dirk's leadership abilities in the Finals.

[bulletedge]

I saw that, Cuban basically owned the Heat. But I like how he and all other Mavs fans just change the subject when someone questions Dirk's leadership abilities in the Finals.

Yep, there is no doubt that Dirk choked in the Finals. He also choked pretty badly against the Suns (except for his one 50 point game in that series).

That being said- and in spite of all of the vitriol thrown at the Mavs on this board- there aren't very many of you who thought Dallas had even the SLIGHTEST chance of beating the Spurs in the playoffs last year. And there aren't very many of you who wouldn't trade regular season records with the Mavs so far this year...even if you deem the regular season totally irrelevant. (Excepting those masochistic Spurs fans who love to post gloom and doom regarding the Spurs chances this year.)

I fully expect the Spurs to be there strong come playoff time. And I hope the Mavs can beat them and maybe even win it all this time. Then we can eliminate the "shut up Mavs fans until you have a trophy- you ain't shit" posts...to be replaced by the "oh yeah, well talk to me when you have 3 trophies in the case" posts.

I love this board!!!!

[Holt's Cat]

The ring's the thing.

Wade 1
Dirk/Cuban 0

[Amare_32]

Is this even a smart idea by Wade to call out Dirk? Like Dirk needed more motivation for the Heat/Mavs game later this month.

[Holmes_Fans]

Is this even a smart idea by Wade to call out Dirk? Like Dirk needed more motivation for the Heat/Mavs game later this month.
Over/Under at 49 for Dirk

[ChumpDumper]

Will Cuban ever shut up about the refs in the Finals?

[Amare_32]

Will Cuban ever shut up about the refs in the Finals?


Maybe if the officiating was so bogus he would not keep harping on it.

[Trainwreck2100]

Will Cuban ever shut up about the refs in the Finals?


If the refs call it his way this year, I'm sure he'll shutup

[ponky]

haha, this original thread wasn't even about cuban and the refs, way to hone in on the irrelevant shit and not appreciate the "buffet" line by cuban...anyway, just like cuban, there are plenty of spurs fans who still bitch and moan about the officiating in the spurs/mavs series last year

[Trainwreck2100]

haha, this original thread wasn't even about cuban and the refs, way to hone in on the irrelevant shit and not appreciate the "buffet" line by cuban...anyway, just like cuban, there are plenty of spurs fans who still bitch and moan about the officiating in the spurs/mavs series last year

Cuban was brought up because of his usual bitchfest reply, and the fact thatnhe is living in the past.

[Holt's Cat]

Will Cuban ever shut up about the refs in the Finals?

Maybe Cuban should have shut up after Game 2...

[dirk4mvp]

Cuban was brought up because of his usual bitchfest reply, and the fact thatnhe is living in the past.


A SPUR fan of all people to talk about someone living in the past. Thank you, trainwreck, my saturday afternoon is complete.

[mabber]

Will Cuban ever shut up about the refs in the Finals?

No

[ponky]

A SPUR fan of all people to talk about someone living in the past. Thank you, trainwreck, my saturday afternoon is complete.

lmfao, i know, the irony is hilarious

[Amare_32]

haha, this original thread wasn't even about cuban and the refs, way to hone in on the irrelevant shit and not appreciate the "buffet" line by cuban...anyway, just like cuban, there are plenty of spurs fans who still bitch and moan about the officiating in the spurs/mavs series last year


That buffet line comment was classic. :lol

[ponky]

That buffet line comment was classic. :lol

HAHA, I sometimes find Cuban to be kind of grating when he gets all crazy but that was the best line I've seen him write in a long time.

[Amare_32]

HAHA, I sometimes find Cuban to be kind of grating when he gets all crazy but that was the best line I've seen him write in a long time.


I actually like Cuban I wish there were more owners like him.

[ponky]

I actually like Cuban I wish there were more owners like him.

I like him too but I sometimes think he shouldn't be so vocal right by the Mavs bench. Dirk mentioned this after the playoffs last season but then it was weird because this season Terry talked about how they were way down in a game on the road and Cuban kept encouraging them to hang in there. I just don't think he should target the officials so much when he's at the game, otherwise, he's an awesome owner and backs up his team.

[aaronstampler]

There is no wrong or right in this argument. Stern was willing to give up his feud with Cuban and let him have his championship. How ridiculous the officiating was in Games 3 and 4 of the SA series was proof of it. Stern thought to himself maybe if we let the Mavs win one, Cuban will finally be humble and classy.

But what happens? They're up 2-0 on Miami and Cuban goes on Letterman, acts like the series is over, makes fun of Nash for no reason, makes fun of Pat Riley...

I think Stern pretty much lost it after that and the refereeing was much different from that point on. If Cubes had just shut his yap, the Mavs would have had a ring last year.

[Fillmoe]

cuban is a classless fuck.... i wonder how long before he realizes hes a owner and not a fan

[Purple & Gold]

I like Cuban. But Dr. Buss is the best owner by far.

[ponky]

There is no wrong or right in this argument. Stern was willing to give up his feud with Cuban and let him have his championship. How ridiculous the officiating was in Games 3 and 4 of the SA series was proof of it. Stern thought to himself maybe if we let the Mavs win one, Cuban will finally be humble and classy.

But what happens? They're up 2-0 on Miami and Cuban goes on Letterman, acts like the series is over, makes fun of Nash for no reason, makes fun of Pat Riley...

I think Stern pretty much lost it after that and the refereeing was much different from that point on. If Cubes had just shut his yap, the Mavs would have had a ring last year.

haha, worst conspiracy theory evah'...i love how spurs fans who believe this load of crap don't wanna talk about games 1,2, 5, 6, 7 and the fact that Tim Duncan went to the line more than any other player on the court in that series

[ponky]

cuban is a classless fuck.... i wonder how long before he realizes hes a owner and not a fan

wow, fillmoe still obsessing over the mavericks, even when his team is on a win streak...he must know it's fool's gold

[dallaskd]

cuban is a classless fuck.... i wonder how long before he realizes hes a owner and not a fan

who gives? he knows how to build a winner. better than the kings faggot brothers.

[dallaskd]

Heat fans live in the past the most. Because their team sucks this year all they say is their the champs. well their not playing like it and not doing a good job defending it. just hoping they make the playoffs. this a new year. stop living in the past.

[Amare_32]

Heat fans live in the past the most. Because their team sucks this year all they say is their the champs. well their not playing like it and not doing a good job defending it. just hoping they make the playoffs. this a new year. stop living in the past.

Can you blame them? They know they won't get a league assisted championship this year.

[td4mvp21]

lmfao, i know, the irony is hilarious
Kind of like when Mavs fans tell us to quit living in the past and then brag about beating us last year, which, oh wow, happens to be in the past! Kind of like that?

[ponky]

Kind of like when Mavs fans tell us to quit living in the past and then brag about beating us last year, which, oh wow, happens to be in the past! Kind of like that?

yeah, kind of like that...either way, doesn't make it right dumbass

[td4mvp21]

yeah, kind of like that...either way, doesn't make it right dumbass

:lol I didn't say it did, DUMBASS. Haha, jk.

[Celtic Pride]

Thought everyone might like to read this. I found it on another forum. What do you all think about this?

Posted by Whipit:

This is getting passed around and someone sent it to me this morning. Comments re Wade from around the league -

"He gets all the calls, that's what makes him special.'' - Gerald Wallace

"It's unbelievable what he gets away with.'' - Bob Hill

"I can't believe he has the audacity to complain to the refs, he should be grateful for what they've done for him in his career. He is what he is today because of them." - P.J. Brown

"He travels on that spin move," Jackson said. "He picks up that pivot foot... everybody knows it. Dwayne Wade can cover so much ground when he makes that move. As you know, he can go 20 feet with that spin move and get to the basket." - Phil Jackson

SportsNation Chris Sheridan: (12:40 PM ET ) You're preaching to the choir here, Oliver. every single night D-Wade gets three gift whistles (which even LeBron and Kobe don't get) at a minimum, and one or two late whistles, too. He's treated as preferrentially as Jordan was at the peak of his game, and it is infuriating to watch (unless you're a Heat fan). And I say all that being one of the biggest D-Wade guys around, a Marquette grad even. But it's just plain unfair to see one guy get such special treatment. It takes away from the game.

Marc Stein on Galloway & Co (1/30)
"No question about it that you definitely hear-- I've heard it from executives, I've heard it from coaches, that you just can't touch this guy[Wade]... but you know, the fact that players bring this up in games... I would say yeah it's a definite topic."
"Does Wade get calls that nobody else gets? Does he go to the line too much? Yes, no question."

"You can't do nothing to D-Wade. If you say 'boogety-boogety boo' to him, that's a foul. If you give him a hard look, that's a foul." -Rasheed Wallace
(He also comically took shots and flopped over acting injured. I'm not even joking. Link below)

Tracy McGrady went so far as to say the NBA finals might have been rigged in a radio interview the foul calls were so obviously in Miami's favor.

Sources:

Rasheed:
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-12-02/boogety-boogety-booh-thats-a-foul/

Gerald Wallace:
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/16100104.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_charlotte_bobcats

Bob Hill: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/columnists/dwain_price/15995105.htm

Phil Jackson: http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakerep26dec26,0,6187147.story?track=mostviewed-homepage

'Sheed: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/columnists/mmonroe/stories/MYSA121006.14C.BKNbeat.notebook.275f21f.html
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537427

sheridan:
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=sheridan_chris&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fesp n%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dsheridan_chris

Mark Stein:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Marc+Stein+on+Galloway+%26+Co+%281%2F30%29 (I can’t find a direct link to the podcast mp3 where he says this, but a google search shows it’s there).

Tracy McGrady's thoughts on Wade: http://odeo.com/audio/1597802/view

http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/02/09/dwayne-wade-a-leader/ (Cubans recent comments)

These satirical articles from nbadraft.net and the brushback also do a good job of illustrating how the players and media around the league feel about Wade.

http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/classy_full.htm

http://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas066.asp

http://dwil.wordpress.com/tag/nba-mentions/dwyane-wade/ (not so much satire as it is more of the same about the egregious calls Wade gets away with).

It's obvious (particularly after listening to Stein's comments) that the players and coaches around the league feel that Wade is receiving some biased/unfair treatment. On sports forums all over the net debates about Wade's preferential treatment routinely start up before and after games. Hell, if you look at the statistics from last years finals something alarming comes up (here are the leaders in FTA per game for both teams from 1998 to 2006):

2006 NBAFINALS
Wade - 16.2
Dirk - 9.0

2005 NBAFINALS
Duncan - 7.7
Billups - 6.3

2004 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 11.0
Billups 8.4

2003 NBAFINALS
Duncan - 9.0
Kidd/Jefferson/Martin - 4.0

2002 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 14.5
Martin - 6.5

2001 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 15.2
Iverson - 9.6

2000 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 15.5
Miller - 6.7

1999 NBAFINALS
Robinson - 9.6
Duncan - 9.0

1998 NBAFINALS
Jordan - 11.6
Malone - 8.0

Now what can we deduct from all this? You'd have to go back to 1998 to find the last guard to ever averaged double-digit FTA in Michael Jordan in the FINALS. Even still, Wade has about 5 more FTA than Jordan which nearly equates to 2 or 3 more Fouls given. The only one remotely close in FTA to Wade is Shaq in his Prime years. It's obvious why Shaq got that many freethrows, he was a complete monster in the Post and teams often employed the Hack-a-Shaq to slow him down. In Game 2 of the 2000 NBA FINALS, Shaq got 39 FTA in which he only made 18.

And yet Wade still averaged more FTA per game.

The argument Wade proponents have is that he is being "aggressive" and is the most aggressive player in the Finals. Umm no. Wade isn't anymore aggressive than Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Iverson or any other superstar that has ever played in the FINALS. It's ridiculous that Wade got more FTA than post players like Shaq, Duncan or Robinson. It's also ludicrous for a guard to EVER get 16.2 FTA while averaging 36.5 ppg. Shows you where a chunk of the points came from.

In case you missed all that: It's all about the freethrows. Wade isn't all that great of a basketball player (although he is certainly good), but when the refs will call a foul on the opposing player if he merely BREATH's in your direction there's a problem. Wade gets the kind of calls Jordan got in his prieme-MORE actually-and he's a 4th year guard.

Wade isn't a superstar player, he's a MANUFACTURED superstar courtesy of the refs. Put me on the line 11 times a game and I'd be an NBA star as well. Wades ppg to FTA per game ratio is one of if not THE most lopsided in NBA history, and that isn't even taking into account all of the non-shooting/blocking fouls he gets per game. 1 in every of 5 his shot attempts see's the refs putting him on the line.

Maybe there's a logical explanation for this, but regardless of what that is more attention needs to be brought to this issue, if only to rectify the problem and assure that the integrity of the game isn't being compromised in an effort to create the "next Jordan."

[ambchang]

:lol wrong game wrong pic, that's from game 5 is it?
That's a great pic too.
I can't understand how the Mavs fans can go on and on and on and on and on and on about how Wade doesn't deserve fouls when it was statistically shown that he does, and with pictorial proof that he, indeed, was fouled, and then turn around and validate all the fouls that Dirk gets without putting up any proof.
BTW, statistically speaking, Dirk ranked only 16th in the 2006 playoffs under the "favouritism by refs" category, Manu 15th, and Wade something in the 20's.

[freedom&justice]

Found this on ESPN's board. Pretty funny.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7440/waderefse2.jpg

[Fillmoe]

who gives? he knows how to build a winner. better than the kings faggot brothers.


looks at mavs trophy case one more time.............






































http://www.dick-blick.com/items/508/11/50811-OA3ww-l.jpg

shits about as empty as your head

[dirk4mvp]

looks like the kings trophy case too

[dirk4mvp]

unless y'all framed this pic and stuck it in there.

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nba/2002/0526/photo/nbagallery6.jpg

[Fillmoe]

kings championships = 1

mavhomofucks championships = 0


LEARN SOMETHING!

[dirk4mvp]

So am I allowed to brag about the Colts '71 Super Bowl 'ship also?

[Fillmoe]

So am I allowed to brag about the Colts '71 Super Bowl 'ship also?

go right ahead......

[mavsfan1000]

kings championships = 1

mavhomofucks championships = 0


LEARN SOMETHING!
Who gives a fuck about a kings championship that happened so long time ago that you don't even remember the players.

[dbreiden83080]

Dwyane Wade, who usually is selective and subtle with his criticisms of opposing players, took the opportunity to take a jab at Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki, who has failed to give the Heat credit for beating the Mavericks in the Finals last season.

"At the end of the day," Wade said, "you're remembered for what you did at the end. ... I think that's the reason -- Dirk says they gave us the championship last year, but he's the reason they lost the championship, because he wasn't the leader that he's supposed to be in the closing moments. That's because of great defense by us, but also he wasn't assertive enough as a leader's supposed to be."

Could not have said it better myself Dirk is not a Champion when the chips are down until he proves otherwise.

[ponky]

LMFAO at fillmoe...go preach to the celtics fans, i'm sure they are patting themselves on the back right now for winning all those championships back in the day...makes the 17 game losing streak feel like a holiday...fillmoe's the only reason anybody here remembers his *surging* team

[ponky]

Could not have said it better myself Dirk is not a Champion when the chips are down until he proves otherwise.

well technically, nobody's a champion until they win the championship so you're right about that but that doesn't mean that dirk can't come through and win a big game. one of the most memorable series i'd been to as a mavs fan was back in 2001 when the mavericks beat the stockton/malone jazz after trailing two games in that series and being down 17 points in the elimination game. dirk was still wet behind the ears but he played incredible in that series and helped get the mavs back to the playoffs for the first time in 11 years. last year the suns were getting ready to take game five up by seven at the end of the third and dirk scored 22 of his 50 points in the fourth to take control and win a pivotal game for that series. he doesn't need to prove shit to anyone, especially a spurs fan who can't appreciate a good basketball player irrespective of his team.

[timvp]

well technically, nobody's a champion until they win the championship so you're right about that but that doesn't mean that dirk can't come through and win a big game. one of the most memorable series i'd been to as a mavs fan was back in 2001 when the mavericks beat the stockton/malone jazz after trailing two games in that series and being down 17 points in the elimination game. dirk was still wet behind the ears but he played incredible in that series

Really?

Dirk shot under 40% in that series and only had one game that he shot at least 50%. And the guy he was guarding, Olden Polynice, had a career series against him.

Michael Finley was the player who won that series. His performance in that Game 5 was legendary. Dirk shot 3-11 in that game.

[ponky]

Really?

Dirk shot under 40% in that series and only had one game that he shot at least 50%. And the guy he was guarding, Olden Polynice, had a career series against him.

Michael Finley was the player who won that series. His performance in that Game 5 was legendary. Dirk shot 3-11 in that game.

for a third year player he did alright, he may have not had the best fg % but he was 10-10 from the line and two of those fgs were 3s...i said SERIES, they came back from trailing 0-2 in the SERIES...don't discount his 33 points (5 threes) and 8 rebounds in game four and 33 points, 10 boards in game three.

it's easy to be selective about what you wanna use to diss dirk but lay all the cards on the table next time

[timvp]

for a third year player he did alright
Agreed. I was pointing out he wasn't "incredible" as you said. For his age he was good, but then again Duncan was winning championships at that age.



i said SERIES, they came back from trailing 0-2 in the SERIES


Dirk shot under 40% in that series

I laid the cards on the table in the first eight words of my post.






Anyways, Dirk has become a monster under AJ. No denying that.

And he'd be my vote for MVP.

[ponky]

Agreed. I was pointing out he wasn't "incredible" as you said. For his age he was good, but then again Duncan was winning championships at that age.






I laid the cards on the table in the first eight words of my post.






Anyways, Dirk has become a monster under AJ. No denying that.

And he'd be my vote for MVP.

haha, nobody's comparing him to your precious duncan who had a great player to team up with from the get go and a very lucky matchup against the 8th seeded knicks who were playing without their star (Ewing) and another key starter (LJ). posting two straight 33 point games to assist in getting a team that hadn't been to the playoffs in 11 years is impressive imo. everyone has his time and this is dirk's time and i think he's proven that he can be clutch, not everyone can do it everytime (e.g. duncan in the seventh game of last year) but that's no reason to diss dirk and say that he has to prove something (i'm not directing that last part at you, it was the reason for my original post)...btw, i'm not dissing duncan, he's one of the great ballers, it's just that some spurs fans get so defensive about him, they automatically think a mavs fan must be dissing him

[lefty]

Who gives a fuck about a kings championship that happened so long time ago that you don't even remember the players.

Well at least they have one :donkey

[timvp]

haha, nobody's comparing him to your precious duncan who had a great player to team up with from the get go

One of Duncan or Dirk played with a two-time MVP in his first six seasons. And it wasn't Duncan.

Plus Finley was better than any perimeter player Duncan ever had before his second championship. If there is one team that can't run lack of talent smack, it's the Mavs.

Dallas has had a top three talented team for like seven years in a row now.

and a very lucky matchup against the 8th seeded knicks who were playing without their star (Ewing) and another key starter (LJ).

:lol #1 - Very lucky matchup? Those Knicks would have demolished the Heat. The Heat last year were the worst team to make the Finals in 30 years.

:lol #2 - Larry Johnson was injured? Where the hell did you get that? He played in every game that series.

Then again, that was before most Mav Fans watched basketball (not you specifically, of course).


posting two straight 33 point games to assist in getting a team that hadn't been to the playoffs in 11 years is impressive imo. everyone has his time and this is dirk's time and i think he's proven that he can be clutch, not everyone can do it everytime (e.g. duncan in the seventh game of last year) but that's no reason to diss dirk and say that he has to prove something (i'm not directing that last part at you, it was the reason for my original post)

This could very well be Dirk's time. Like I said, I believe he's the MVP this season. Last season, he should have won a championship. This year, I'd say he's the favorite to win a championship.

And yeah, he does still have more to prove, unless he got some kind of pass last year for almost winning a championship that I'm not aware of.

[Celtic Pride]

It's a shame Grandmama hurt his back. I wish he could have played longer. He is one of my All-Time favorite players, especially since he and I are alumni of Skyline in Dallas '87 - '88.

[timvp]

It's a shame Grandmama hurt his back. I wish he could have played longer. He is one of my All-Time favorite players, especially since he and I are alumni of Skyline in Dallas '87 - '88.

A "Celtic Fan" from Dallas who spends most of his time on this forum defending the Mavs?

Ri-ii-ii-ii-i-ight.

[Celtic Pride]

A "Celtic Fan" from Dallas who spends most of his time on this forum defending the Mavs?

Ri-ii-ii-ii-i-ight.

What would you rather me do? The Dallas Chapparalls became the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs weren't on ABC in Dallas. The Celtics and Lakers were and my pops couldn't afford cable back in the day. So you root for who you can watch, kinda the same reason the Cowboys have fans all over the world. Not until 1980 did the Mavs come along. So if you think I defend the Mavs, then fine. Just remember that you can be a fan of more than one team. Right now my home team happens to be on top, and my Celts are on top in the Draft race.

[timvp]

What would you rather me do? The Dallas Chapparalls became the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs weren't on ABC in Dallas. The Celtics and Lakers were and my pops couldn't afford cable back in the day. So you root for who you can watch, kinda the same reason the Cowboys have fans all over the world. Not until 1980 did the Mavs come along. So if you think I defend the Mavs, then fine. Just remember that you can be a fan of more than one team. Right now my home team happens to be on top, and my Celts are on top in the Draft race.

Good enough.

Just glad to figure out why a Celtic fan would defend a team from Texas. I'd never seen such a thing.

[Celtic Pride]

Don't tell nobody, but I have family all around Texas. Mostly Houston and some from close to SA. So when I would visit I got to see Moses Malone in Houston and Ice Man in SA. I actually like all 3 teams, but would like the Mavs to win the Championship at least 1 time. That way all 3 teams would have a trophy. I have never talked bad about any team, just a couple of players doing wrong.

[mabber]

Thought everyone might like to read this. I found it on another forum. What do you all think about this?

Posted by Whipit:

This is getting passed around and someone sent it to me this morning. Comments re Wade from around the league -

"He gets all the calls, that's what makes him special.'' - Gerald Wallace

"It's unbelievable what he gets away with.'' - Bob Hill

"I can't believe he has the audacity to complain to the refs, he should be grateful for what they've done for him in his career. He is what he is today because of them." - P.J. Brown

"He travels on that spin move," Jackson said. "He picks up that pivot foot... everybody knows it. Dwayne Wade can cover so much ground when he makes that move. As you know, he can go 20 feet with that spin move and get to the basket." - Phil Jackson

SportsNation Chris Sheridan: (12:40 PM ET ) You're preaching to the choir here, Oliver. every single night D-Wade gets three gift whistles (which even LeBron and Kobe don't get) at a minimum, and one or two late whistles, too. He's treated as preferrentially as Jordan was at the peak of his game, and it is infuriating to watch (unless you're a Heat fan). And I say all that being one of the biggest D-Wade guys around, a Marquette grad even. But it's just plain unfair to see one guy get such special treatment. It takes away from the game.

Marc Stein on Galloway & Co (1/30)
"No question about it that you definitely hear-- I've heard it from executives, I've heard it from coaches, that you just can't touch this guy[Wade]... but you know, the fact that players bring this up in games... I would say yeah it's a definite topic."
"Does Wade get calls that nobody else gets? Does he go to the line too much? Yes, no question."

"You can't do nothing to D-Wade. If you say 'boogety-boogety boo' to him, that's a foul. If you give him a hard look, that's a foul." -Rasheed Wallace
(He also comically took shots and flopped over acting injured. I'm not even joking. Link below)

Tracy McGrady went so far as to say the NBA finals might have been rigged in a radio interview the foul calls were so obviously in Miami's favor.

Sources:

Rasheed:
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-12-02/boogety-boogety-booh-thats-a-foul/

Gerald Wallace:
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/16100104.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_charlotte_bobcats

Bob Hill: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/columnists/dwain_price/15995105.htm

Phil Jackson: http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakerep26dec26,0,6187147.story?track=mostviewed-homepage

'Sheed: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/columnists/mmonroe/stories/MYSA121006.14C.BKNbeat.notebook.275f21f.html
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537427

sheridan:
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=sheridan_chris&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fesp n%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dsheridan_chris

Mark Stein:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Marc+Stein+on+Galloway+%26+Co+%281%2F30%29 (I can’t find a direct link to the podcast mp3 where he says this, but a google search shows it’s there).

Tracy McGrady's thoughts on Wade: http://odeo.com/audio/1597802/view

http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/02/09/dwayne-wade-a-leader/ (Cubans recent comments)

These satirical articles from nbadraft.net and the brushback also do a good job of illustrating how the players and media around the league feel about Wade.

http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/classy_full.htm

http://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas066.asp

http://dwil.wordpress.com/tag/nba-mentions/dwyane-wade/ (not so much satire as it is more of the same about the egregious calls Wade gets away with).

It's obvious (particularly after listening to Stein's comments) that the players and coaches around the league feel that Wade is receiving some biased/unfair treatment. On sports forums all over the net debates about Wade's preferential treatment routinely start up before and after games. Hell, if you look at the statistics from last years finals something alarming comes up (here are the leaders in FTA per game for both teams from 1998 to 2006):

2006 NBAFINALS
Wade - 16.2
Dirk - 9.0

2005 NBAFINALS
Duncan - 7.7
Billups - 6.3

2004 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 11.0
Billups 8.4

2003 NBAFINALS
Duncan - 9.0
Kidd/Jefferson/Martin - 4.0

2002 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 14.5
Martin - 6.5

2001 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 15.2
Iverson - 9.6

2000 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 15.5
Miller - 6.7

1999 NBAFINALS
Robinson - 9.6
Duncan - 9.0

1998 NBAFINALS
Jordan - 11.6
Malone - 8.0

Now what can we deduct from all this? You'd have to go back to 1998 to find the last guard to ever averaged double-digit FTA in Michael Jordan in the FINALS. Even still, Wade has about 5 more FTA than Jordan which nearly equates to 2 or 3 more Fouls given. The only one remotely close in FTA to Wade is Shaq in his Prime years. It's obvious why Shaq got that many freethrows, he was a complete monster in the Post and teams often employed the Hack-a-Shaq to slow him down. In Game 2 of the 2000 NBA FINALS, Shaq got 39 FTA in which he only made 18.

And yet Wade still averaged more FTA per game.

The argument Wade proponents have is that he is being "aggressive" and is the most aggressive player in the Finals. Umm no. Wade isn't anymore aggressive than Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Iverson or any other superstar that has ever played in the FINALS. It's ridiculous that Wade got more FTA than post players like Shaq, Duncan or Robinson. It's also ludicrous for a guard to EVER get 16.2 FTA while averaging 36.5 ppg. Shows you where a chunk of the points came from.

In case you missed all that: It's all about the freethrows. Wade isn't all that great of a basketball player (although he is certainly good), but when the refs will call a foul on the opposing player if he merely BREATH's in your direction there's a problem. Wade gets the kind of calls Jordan got in his prieme-MORE actually-and he's a 4th year guard.

Wade isn't a superstar player, he's a MANUFACTURED superstar courtesy of the refs. Put me on the line 11 times a game and I'd be an NBA star as well. Wades ppg to FTA per game ratio is one of if not THE most lopsided in NBA history, and that isn't even taking into account all of the non-shooting/blocking fouls he gets per game. 1 in every of 5 his shot attempts see's the refs putting him on the line.

Maybe there's a logical explanation for this, but regardless of what that is more attention needs to be brought to this issue, if only to rectify the problem and assure that the integrity of the game isn't being compromised in an effort to create the "next Jordan."


Nothing on here that Mav fans didn't already know or read (for the most part) but it's still no excuse for the Mavs losing to the Heat in the finals. Although Wade is not helping his cause by some of his recent comments, it's a shame that he's becoming the most hated NBA player because of getting calls he shouldn't be getting. The negative Wade press/feelings from around the country is really snowballing on him now. It's not his fault...it's the ref's adn/or league's fault. He's just playing the game.

[daspurs]

Nothing on here that Mav fans didn't already know or read (for the most part) but it's still no excuse for the Mavs losing to the Heat in the finals. Although Wade is not helping his cause by some of his recent comments, it's a shame that he's becoming the most hated NBA player because of getting calls he shouldn't be getting. The negative Wade press/feelings from around the country is really snowballing on him now. It's not his fault...it's the ref's adn/or league's fault. He's just playing the game.
true everyone hates wade cause of the calls he gets it not his fault he gets those calls but i seriously see a big comparison with wade and jordan

[dallaskd]

anyone read cubans blog lately?

read his dwyane wade a leader post.(spells wades last name on purpose) :lol :lol

http://blogmaverick.com/

didnt no if yall had seen this one yet.

[dallaskd]

Great leadership DWade. Your coach sat players for being fat. I guess you couldnt lead them away from the buffet.

lmfao. hAHAHA :lol

[Leetonidas]

Now we know why Charles won't put you in his 5.

Mark Cuban is a jerk off, but that was funny. :lol

[dallaskd]

I hope Dwayne Wade was misquoted in an article today in the Miami Herald. I know the Herald has issues with accuracy and they are still probably looking for the boat I dont own in Miami, but according to the Herald, and i have a hard time thinking even the Herald could get this quote wrong, Wade said the following:

DIG AT DIRK

After the Heat practiced Thursday at Quicken Loans Arena, Wade was asked if he believes players are ultimately remembered for what they do at the end of games.

Wade, who usually is selective and subtle with his criticisms of opposing players, took the opportunity to take a jab at Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki, who has failed to give the Heat credit for beating the Mavericks in the Finals last season.

''At the end of the day,'' Wade said, ``you're remembered for what you did at the end. . . . I think that's the reason -- Dirk says they gave us the championship last year, but he's the reason they lost the championship, because he wasn't the leader that he's supposed to be in the closing moments. That's because of great defense by us, but also he wasn't assertive enough as a leader's supposed to be.''

Say what ? Is this the DWade of some of the lamest , boring commercials known to man ? Commercials that are singlehandedly responsible for selling more commercial skipping Tivos than anything else on TV ?
Dwayne I don't blame you for not looking at tapes of the finals. You obviously didn't. You would have seen your unbelievable skills and some other unbelievable elements that if I could discuss honestly here I would get fined for.


You are right, endings are remembered. And the ending of 3 of the games of the Finals will be remembered alongside Game 6 of the King vs Lakers Conf Finals a few years ago.

I guess you have earned the right to criticize Dirk with an obvious display of your own leadership skills.

I know Shaq appreciates your leadership as well. He called out your team a few weeks ago saying it was "embarassing'. Great leadership DWade. Your coach sat players for being fat. I guess you couldnt lead them away from the buffet.

You are an amazing player Dwayne. I love watching you shoot free throws. What you know about Dirk's leadership skills is non existent. You don't have a clue. Your ability to evaluate leadership skills....well you obviously have an overinflated value of your own. Did you take business classes at Marquette ?

Now we know why Charles won't put you in his 5.

And Im pissed for one more reason. Im going to have to miss our next game against the Heat on Feb 22. A previous engagement. I guess its just a missed opportunity to bring a local business class to the game and try to let them interview you about your leadership skills.

-Mark Cuban

[ponky]

Good enough.

Just glad to figure out why a Celtic fan would defend a team from Texas. I'd never seen such a thing.

Haha, my brother's a Pistons fan for the same reason. Back in the day, before league pass, that's what he could watch on TV and he's stayed loyal ever since...another reason he kind of follows the Lakers too although not quite so much, all that Showtime stuff was the only thing he could watch on t TV.

[Islymore]

JESUS!!!! :dizzy

I am a Mavs fan... I love my team...

But everybody please GROW UP!!!! Geez.. if its not a fan of some RANDOM team talkin useless bull about how the playoffs last year were totally biased towards the Mavs, its a HEAT fan spewin bull about how the HEAT won it fair and square or a SPUR fan talkin bout the rings, banners, 3-0 ... Everybody is right.

Did the MAVS choke?
Yes... Most real MAVFANS acknowledge that.
Did DIRK show the leadership expected of him?
No... He got drunk and partied too hard... He simply didnt show up when he was needed. Blame it on what you will - but as the given LEADER of the MAVs - he was no where to be found really games 3-6, be fareal
Does Mark Cuban need to just shut up sometimes?
Hell yes. He talks too much to be an owner. You never see any other owners or hear from any other owners as much as Cuban. At some point, he needs to take the time to see if maybe his actions 'cause unjust criticism of his team. He can be over the line. But the Mavs org wouldnt be what it is without him. The players love him, he is adored by many. But as an owner, sometimes he need to just take a backseat and be quiet.
Was there really a conspiracy theory?
If you are really caught up in the hype of conspiracy theories and Stern hates the Mavs or Stern wanted a Mav/Heat Finals for marketing... :sleep Come on. Every team made a stupid mistake. Every team did something. The Spurs - yeah Manu made a stupid mistake by fouling Dirk. We get it. But its done now and can't be taken back. So we move on. We fucked up in the Finals. We get it. Its rare the Mavs even talk about the Finals bc unlike the Heat - they have moved on. Focused on this season. Maybe the Heat should do the same.
Did DWade get a lot of foul calls?
Yes - and so what? The calls he got some were justified, some were not. If you want to pretend that the foul advantage/disadvantage is what caused the Mavs the Championship - then you are really dillusional. (is that spelled right?)

I don't know why D-Wade felt the need to bring that up but I do know it showed a lack of class just as Mark Cuban's response did. I really don't care. I hope it serves as motivation for not only Dirk but the whole team. Maybe D-Wade did it to hype his team up for the upcoming game. Who knows? It was good timing if it was to serve as that purpose. Was it called for? Totally not. But so what? MOVE ON.

This thread went from being about D-Wade's comments to being about the Mavs chokin in the Finals... and while they may be linked... WE ALL GET THAT SHIT NOW. MOST MAV FANS THAT ARE REAL FANS - HAS ACCEPTED THAT AND MOVED ON... Catch on ppl.

Please - at some point - don't you all get tired of reading the same crap posted in eighteen different threads by the same ten ppl about the same bullshit?

Sorry so long ppl. Just had to rant. :bang

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Wade should be careful what he says. He got baited.

[Louae]

Like someone said before. Only the biggest heat homer would say the refs didn't decide this series. It was a bad call to start with and it ended being a good call as Harris did eventually grab Wade's arm. Games 1 and 2 were tilted slightly for the mavs but than once they went to Miami all the calls went to Miami. You would think that once Dallas went back to Dallas they would get the calls again. Nope because Dan Crawford was the ref and the heat continued to get the calls. In final the refs gave Miami the series. I have never seen such biased refs in my life. :pctoss

Then you must have missed the second round of the playoffs against the spurs. B/c honestly, there was nothing more sweet than seeing the Mavs go down at the hands of the refs. God knows, they never would've been there without their help in the first place. Karma is a bitch.

[dirk4mvp]

Then you must have missed the second round of the playoffs against the spurs. B/c honestly, there was nothing more sweet than seeing the Mavs go down at the hands of the refs. God knows, they never would've been there without their help in the first place. Karma is a bitch.

Bad calls didn't go both ways in the 2nd round did it? :rolleyes :dramaquee

[nkdlunch]

who cares? they're both crybabies.

[Fillmoe]

JESUS!!!! :dizzy

I am a Mavs fan... I love my team...

But everybody please GROW UP!!!! Geez.. if its not a fan of some RANDOM team talkin useless bull about how the playoffs last year were totally biased towards the Mavs, its a HEAT fan spewin bull about how the HEAT won it fair and square or a SPUR fan talkin bout the rings, banners, 3-0 ... Everybody is right.

Did the MAVS choke?
Yes... Most real MAVFANS acknowledge that.
Did DIRK show the leadership expected of him?
No... He got drunk and partied too hard... He simply didnt show up when he was needed. Blame it on what you will - but as the given LEADER of the MAVs - he was no where to be found really games 3-6, be fareal
Does Mark Cuban need to just shut up sometimes?
Hell yes. He talks too much to be an owner. You never see any other owners or hear from any other owners as much as Cuban. At some point, he needs to take the time to see if maybe his actions 'cause unjust criticism of his team. He can be over the line. But the Mavs org wouldnt be what it is without him. The players love him, he is adored by many. But as an owner, sometimes he need to just take a backseat and be quiet.
Was there really a conspiracy theory?
If you are really caught up in the hype of conspiracy theories and Stern hates the Mavs or Stern wanted a Mav/Heat Finals for marketing... :sleep Come on. Every team made a stupid mistake. Every team did something. The Spurs - yeah Manu made a stupid mistake by fouling Dirk. We get it. But its done now and can't be taken back. So we move on. We fucked up in the Finals. We get it. Its rare the Mavs even talk about the Finals bc unlike the Heat - they have moved on. Focused on this season. Maybe the Heat should do the same.
Did DWade get a lot of foul calls?
Yes - and so what? The calls he got some were justified, some were not. If you want to pretend that the foul advantage/disadvantage is what caused the Mavs the Championship - then you are really dillusional. (is that spelled right?)

I don't know why D-Wade felt the need to bring that up but I do know it showed a lack of class just as Mark Cuban's response did. I really don't care. I hope it serves as motivation for not only Dirk but the whole team. Maybe D-Wade did it to hype his team up for the upcoming game. Who knows? It was good timing if it was to serve as that purpose. Was it called for? Totally not. But so what? MOVE ON.

This thread went from being about D-Wade's comments to being about the Mavs chokin in the Finals... and while they may be linked... WE ALL GET THAT SHIT NOW. MOST MAV FANS THAT ARE REAL FANS - HAS ACCEPTED THAT AND MOVED ON... Catch on ppl.

Please - at some point - don't you all get tired of reading the same crap posted in eighteen different threads by the same ten ppl about the same bullshit?

Sorry so long ppl. Just had to rant. :bang


greatest mavs fan ever....... why cant the rest of you mavs fans be like this?

[Roxsfan]

looks at mavs trophy case one more time.............






































http://www.dick-blick.com/items/508/11/50811-OA3ww-l.jpg

shits about as empty as your head





LOL good one:lmao

[Brazil]

weird bump

[monosylab1k]

weird bump

Rockets fans have never been smart ones.

[Greg Oden]

This is why rocket fans wouldn't last in the jim rome smackoff.

[Roxsfan]

Rockets fans have never been smart ones.

fuck you.

[Ghazi]

FINALS MVP = Bennett Salvatore

Quoted for mother fucking truth.