Giuliani is a JOKE!

[Nbadan]

http://www.reviewjournal.com.nyud.net:8090/lvrj_home/2004/Oct-26-Tue-2004/photos/bush.jpg
One of a Kind!


Giuliani praises Bush's Iraq policy, foresight
He disparages a Senate nonbinding rebuke on a visit to California to build a GOP campaign base for the presidency.
By Michael Finnegan, Times Staff Writer
February 11, 2007


SACRAMENTO — Republican presidential hopeful Rudolph W. Giuliani praised President Bush's war leadership on Saturday and mocked supporters of a nonbinding congressional resolution condemning the U.S. troop buildup in Iraq.

The former New York City mayor came to Bush's defense as he promoted his White House candidacy at a California Republican convention. Drawing parallels between Iraq and America's Civil War, Giuliani compared Bush's political troubles to Abraham Lincoln's. When the Civil War was unpopular, Giuliani said, Lincoln "kept his eye ahead."

"He was able to say, 'I know my people are frustrated, and I know my people are angry at me.' " But after weighing public opinion, Lincoln had "that ability that a leader has — a leader like George Bush, a leader like Ronald Reagan — to look into the future," Giuliani said.

Giuliani's defense of the currently unpopular president comes as he is portraying himself as a decisive leader unafraid to buck public opinion.

LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-giuliani11feb11,1,3653102.story?coll=la-news-politics-national)

Nice job, Rudy. Pander to 30% of the wing-nut electorate and alienate the other rational 70%.

[boutons_]

Vote Giuliani/Kerik in 2008

Supporting dubya and his bullshit Iraq war is political suicide.

[101A]

http://www.reviewjournal.com.nyud.net:8090/lvrj_home/2004/Oct-26-Tue-2004/photos/bush.jpg
One of a Kind!


[B]Giuliani praises Bush's Iraq policy, foresight
He disparages a Senate nonbinding rebuke on a visit to California to build a GOP campaign base for the presidency.
By Michael Finnegan, Times Staff Writer
February 11, 2007



LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-giuliani11feb11,1,3653102.story?coll=la-news-politics-national)

Nice job, Rudy. Pander to 30% of the wing-nut electorate and alienate the other rational 70%.

Pandering is what people do when they are trying to be popular and political (see Clinton, Hillary). You ever consider this is what he actually thinks?

[IceColdBrewski]

Gettin' worried about Rudy Dan? :lol

[gtownspur]

Oh my,

A republican, believing that the War on Terror is for real.....what a turncoat.

[Bob Lanier]

the World on Terror is for real.
I like it.

[sabar]

It's over. If the democrats get someone other than Hilary for the next election, they win by a minor landslide. No matter what happens now, this administration is going down in flames.

Leave Iraq and let Iran/Al-Qa'ida run a terrorist state and attack the United States again?
Stay in Iraq, end up in Iran, and start World War 3 once Russia gets mad?

Lose-lose situation no matter what happens now. Next election will show it. Just as the past one did. No matter what stance the GOP candidate takes on anything. The only hope is to draw out this war as long as possible without either leaving or going into Iran until the GOP secures another election.

[whottt]

Wrong...

If you think the country has gone fanatical lib you are in for a rude awakening.

John Edwards will get his ass kicked, Hillary and Obama will get their asses kicked...

Clark is the only one that won't.

That's going up against Guilianni.



In case ya'll missed the last election....cutting and running and not supporting the war is what stole defeat from the jaws of victory.

Don't think the country has turned lib like you hystericals on this board...it don't work that way.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Hilary's chances depend on if and how much she triangulates like Bill did.

[Yonivore]

I think Hilary's chances depend on if and how much she triangulates like Bill did.
Too bad it doesn't depend on her just being herself, eh?

[ChumpDumper]

Too bad it doesn't depend on her just being herself, eh?It's about getting elected. I wish McCain could be himself too, but as 2cents wants me to bash Democrats, I will bash Hillary more.


*bash*

[Nbadan]

I think Hilary's chances depend on if and how much she triangulates like Bill did.

The difference is there are very few moderate republicans left. She could triangulate as a Senator with Giuliani if he's elected, but her continued implications that the war in Iraq was neccessary, but done wrong by the Bush administration, isn't gonna win her many supporters, especially with Obama, equally popular, officially now in the race and has a clear voting record on this issue.

[Nbadan]

I wish McCain could be himself too

You get killed if your not a social conservative by the GOP, and McCain has hired many of the same scumbags who swift-boated his campaign in 2000. Talk about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

[ChumpDumper]

The difference is there are very few moderate republicans left.There are plenty, they are just overshadowed by the conservatives in the primaries.

[thispego]

Rudolph W. Guliani, what a chode

[Nbadan]

Remember when Giuliani blamed the mess in Iraq on the troops? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLSQT1FSu8A) Suddenly, Obama's little gaffe seems minor in comparison

[Nbadan]

Mr. Deferment:

http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0434/giuliani.jpg

Rudolph Giuliani
Ex-mayor, business consultant
Age 60
Born Brooklyn, New York, May 28, 1944

Military service None


Reason Student deferments (Manhattan College 1965; NYU Law School 1968); special deferment at request of federal judge for whom he was clerking.

Quote "Freedom is about authority."

The Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0434,robbins,56166,1.html)

[whottt]

Mr. Deferment:

http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0434/giuliani.jpg

Rudolph Giuliani
Ex-mayor, business consultant
Age 60
Born Brooklyn, New York, May 28, 1944

Military service None


You do realize Guilianni used to be a Democrat don't you?

PWNT

[Nbadan]

You do realize Guilianni used to be a Democrat don't you?

PWNT

And the Republican party used to be the Party of fiscal conservatism, so what?

[whottt]

And the Republican party used to be the Party of fiscal conservatism, so what?



It just shows that Rudy wasn't always good...he started out stupid and got smarter...unlike the modern crat party, which is gettign stupider by the day.

The funniest thing is the naivete of most of you....

[whottt]

Military Service wasn't as big of a deal to you guys when Clinton was in office...why not?

It's because you're a whore isn't it? A commie whore...be honest now.

[ggoose25]

Rudolph W. Guliani, what a chode

HAHA, i wish there was a chode emoticon

[clambake]

It doesn't pay to be a commie whore. All the money goes to the state.

That's what my pimp, Vladamir, tells me.

[Nbadan]

Military Service wasn't as big of a deal to you guys when Clinton was in office...why not?

It's because you're a whore isn't it? A commie whore...be honest now.

We weren't at war when Clinton was in office.

[whottt]

We weren't at war when Clinton was in office.


Yeah...we were busy letting those we are at war with now become a huge problem, because the then leader didn't have the guts to send our guys to do something he himself was afraid to do.

[clambake]

Afraid like you. 21,500 more chances to serve that monster fuck up pres. of yours. Whottt happened? Decided to stay here with your yellow spine?

[whottt]

Afraid like you. 21,500 more chances to serve that monster fuck up pres. of yours. Whottt happened? Decided to stay here with your yellow spine?


Wow you had a quite a bit to say there...what's the matter? Things get slow at the glory hole?

[clambake]

Been spending my time trying to find you a surgeon.

[boutons_]

Giuliani ain't going nowhere with the right and of other people because of his marital history.

He won't get the Bible thumpers because he's pro abortion.

All he's got going for him is scripted 9/11 dog-and-pony show.

[Bob Lanier]

We weren't at war when Clinton was in office.
Really?

[boutons_]

really

[whottt]

Giuliani ain't going nowhere with the right and of other people because of his marital history.

He won't get the Bible thumpers because he's pro abortion.


Sincerely,

http://www.senorcafe.com/archives/RWR.jpg


All he's got going for him is scripted 9/11 dog-and-pony show.


And dropping the NYC crime rate down to all time lows...and taking down the mafia.

[whottt]

Anyone want to do a forum search and find out what boutons was saying back in 04, pre-election?

[Tippecanoe]

damn, i really wish the democrats had someone better than clinton, edwards, and obama.

lets face it
the south will NEVER vote for hilary or obama. *sigh*
and please, edwards would never win
clark wont even win the democrat's nomination, b/c ironically, he is the one democrat that supports bush's war in iraq

that leaves one hope: stephen colbert!! :smokin

[ggoose25]

i think obama is going to pleasantly surprise people. whether ignorant fucks who refuse to support him solely because he's black or because his name sounds like osama eventually change their minds about him is anyone's guess.

[whottt]

My problem with Obama is not that he's black, it's that he's one of the schmaltziest politicians I have ever seen. He makes John Kerry and W look blue collar.

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm just starting to pay attention to 2K8 elections.

Joe Biden is looking pretty hot.

Surely. even Yonivore can look past charges of plagiarism.

[ggoose25]

i think thats one of the misconceptions his campaign will have to deal with. he may appear silver spooned, but I think that is only because his "clean and articulate" persona is so dichotomic next to the typical black urban politcians like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. As the American people get to know him and become more familiar with his past , he is going to shatter the high brow image people may have of him

[boutons_]

2004? Abb

[AFE7FATMAN]

Giuliani is a JOKE!

He is running for President, why an I not laughing.

God save the Queen and America too
Go Hil go- give America what she deserves.
Clinton, part 2.

[xrayzebra]

Hey does anyone realize that it is about 8 months away from
the first primary. Give it a rest.

Want to really think about something Cisneros wife just announced
for City Council. And I will bet she wins, hands down.

[ChumpDumper]

It really doesn't matter what Giulliani or Obama have as platform or political stances. They are much more gut-feeling candidates than anything else. That's going to piss off alot of people if one of them is elected.

[Nbadan]

WASHINGTON (Map) - Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, a former U.S. attorney in New York, said Thursday that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should get "the benefit of the doubt" in the uproar over the firings of federal prosecutors.

"The president has addressed it," Giuliani said. "The attorney general's an honorable man. He's a decent man. He should be given a chance to explain and everybody should sort of give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him to explain."

Republicans and Democrats alike have questioned Gonzales' leadership and some have called for him to resign as Congress investigates whether the firings of nine prosecutors over the past year were politically motivated.

President Bush insists that the firings were appropriate and is standing by the country's top law enforcement official. Democrats argue the prosecutors were forced out for political reasons.

Examiner (http://www.examiner.com/a-633121~Giuliani__Give_Gonzales_Benefit_of_Doubt.ht ml)

[whottt]

Gulianni is speaking to the moderates, that don't whichhunt over every newsblurb, that don't completely lose it over fair minded concepts like 2 party system and peaceful transition of power, like youself.

I can see why nothing more than simple common sense statements seem scandalous to you...can you, Mr. Openminded Liberal?

Moderates rule, remember that when Guilianni stomps everyone in the election.

[Bob Lanier]

Whottt's hardon for authoritarian government would serve him well here in SG.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Pap_logo_highlight.gif

We have better weather than Texas, too.

[whottt]

Whottt's hardon for authoritarian government would serve him well here in SG.

SG = Shooting Guard?

Sometimes you need to be a little authoritarian...and sometimes not. I think Rudy is actually pretty liberal in a lot of ways...the good ways.

And he's a hardass in a lot of the ways that, right now, we need a hardass.




We have better weather than Texas, too.


I'm not quite sure how to reply to that...Congrats?

[Bob Lanier]

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

You call him a liberal because he happens not share a wacky religious cult's obsession with procreation, but he that hardly qualifies him to represent any tradition of liberalism - economic or philosophical, including the brand of leftist politics Americans use the term to describe.

"Fascism" is a loaded term in many parts of the English-speaking world, and in the US in particular it's been wrongly coopted by hippies and rednecks alike to describe virtually any kind of government activity, but Rudy is a fascist in the most original and anti-liberal sense, regardless of how much some gestures you see as extravagantly tolerant shine in your eyes.

I was talking about our People's Action Party in Singapore, which despite being quite liberal economically by American standards, and certainly far more racially progressive than Giuliani ever was, is nonetheless authoritarian (and we criminalize homosexuality, too, which probably puts us out of the running for "the good ways").

[SRJ]

We weren't at war when Clinton was in office.

Hey, he did bomb an aspirin factory.

[Nbadan]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/POLITICS/03/07/giuliani.baptists.ap/vert.giuliani.wife.gi.file.jpg
Serial cheaters?



WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republican presidential contender Rudy Giuliani has been married three times and, as it turns out, so has his wife.

The campaign confirmed Friday that Judith Nathan Giuliani was married twice -- not once -- before she wed the former New York City mayor in 2003. It was Giuliani's third marriage, and, until Thursday, had been thought to be his wife's second.

But Mrs. Giuliani told The New York Post in an article on its Web site Thursday night that Giuliani was, in fact, her third husband. Her first marriage was to Jeffrey Scott Ross in 1974, when she was about 20. The couple divorced in 1979.

She then met and married Bruce Nathan. They divorced in the 1990s.

Campaign aides said Giuliani, close friends and family members had long been aware of Mrs. Giuliani's first marriage.

Giuliani's first marriage to his second cousin, Regina Peruggi, ended after 14 years in divorce and later an annulment. His second marriage, to TV personality Donna Hanover, ended in a bitter divorce after he announced their breakup at a news conference in 2000.

[whottt]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/POLITICS/03/07/giuliani.baptists.ap/vert.giuliani.wife.gi.file.jpg
Serial cheaters?



:sleep

[whottt]

You call him a liberal because he happens not share a wacky religious cult's obsession with procreation, but he that hardly qualifies him to represent any tradition of liberalism - economic or philosophical, including the brand of leftist politics Americans use the term to describe.

"Fascism" is a loaded term in many parts of the English-speaking world, and in the US in particular it's been wrongly coopted by hippies and rednecks alike to describe virtually any kind of government activity, but Rudy is a fascist in the most original and anti-liberal sense, regardless of how much some gestures you see as extravagantly tolerant shine in your eyes.


Sometimes you need a little fascism, one could argue that the Civil War was fascist.....besides, Guilianni won't have total authority. He'll be pitted against a moderarte or perhaps liberal congress.

The end result is...well kind of a clusterfuck, but a moderate one...and usually going in the right direction.

And I know you won't agree with that...but you'll have little to back up your point, while I'll have economic and military power not to mention a bill of rights that in actuallity of trickling down to the population, shines far and above that any in any other country, to back up mine.


You completely miss the genius of the American political system...

IT's the ability to change, and adjust, on the fly, based on political and world climate, peacefull, and without having to completely reorganize our government.


Left and Right, conserative and liberal...those aren't right and wrong concepts...merely direction.

Is East West wrong?

Depends on the direction you want to go.


No one, who thinks going one way or the other 100% of the time is a good idea...is sensible IMO.





I was talking about our People's Action Party in Singapore, which despite being quite liberal economically by American standards, and certainly far more racially progressive than Giuliani ever was, is nonetheless authoritarian (and we criminalize homosexuality, too, which probably puts us out of the running for "the good ways").

Um...

I love how you just sort of threw that in there...I love it for more reason than one.

Do some research on Guiliani's stances...obviously you haven't, and obviously not doing so doesn't dissuade you from forming an opinion on a candidate...


I know, I know...Republican = Bad

Democrat = Good

Typical biased, subjective and closeminded lefty.

[Nbadan]

Giuliani ran and hide on 911, while his multi-million dollar emergency center in Tower 7 collapsed to the ground. What's so heroic about that?


NEW YORK (AP) - Rudy Giuliani's White House aspirations are inescapably tied to Sept. 11, 2001 - for better and for worse.

While the former mayor of the nation's largest city was widely lionized for his post-9/11 leadership - "Churchillian" was one adjective, "America's mayor" was Oprah Winfrey's assessment - city firefighters and their families are renewing their attacks on him for his performance before and after the terrorist attack.

"If Rudolph Giuliani was running on anything but 9/11, I would not speak out," said Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son was among the 343 FDNY members killed in the terrorist attack. "If he ran on cleaning up Times Square, getting rid of squeegee men, lowering crime - that's indisputable.

"But when he runs on 9/11, I want the American people to know he was part of the problem."

...

Giuliani was also criticized for locating the city's emergency center in 7 World Trade Center, a building that contained thousands of gallons of diesel fuel when it collapsed after the terrorist attack.

AP (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070330/D8O6DO6G0.html)

God, Oprah is a corporate whore!, but you don't get to be a 911 hero just because you finally bothered to show up and get rid of all the evidence to the greatest crime in American history.

[Nbadan]

March 29, 2007 — In an interview with Barbara Walters, former New York City Mayor and presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani said that if elected president, he would have no problem allowing his wife Judith Giuliani to sit in on cabinet meetings, "If she wanted to. If they were relevant to something that she was interested in. I mean that would be something that I'd be very, very comfortable with," he said.

He also tells Walters that he welcomes his wife's involvement in policy decisions during the campaign "to the extent she wants to be…I couldn't have a better adviser." When asked if she will sit in on policy meetings, Judith said: "if asks me to, yes. And certainly in the areas of health care."

Although usually a very private person, Judith Giuliani has had her fair share of headlines, most recently surrounding the news that, like her husband, she has been married three times.

She recently confirmed her previously undisclosed marriage to Jeffrey Scott Ross, whom she married in 1974 when she was 19. The couple divorced in 1979. She said she wasn't trying to keep that first marriage hidden.

ABC News (http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2989162&page=1)

"Judith, you're doin' a heckuva job"