Symbolism over substance - again...

[Yonivore]

...and again and again.


http://lonestartimes.com/images/2007/01/aninconvenienttruthposter.jpg

POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH' (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm)

Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions, issued a press release late Monday:

Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

For Further Information, Contact:
Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431
[email protected][/quote]
Fucking hypocrite.

[Spurminator]

Ad Hominem Tu Quoque (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html)

Poisoning the Well (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html)

[Yonivore]

Ad Hominem Tu Quoque (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html)

Poisoning the Well (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html)
Wrong on both counts. Neither of your fallacies apply.

This has nothing to do with whether or not his movie is accurate and everything to do with the hypocrite increasing his own "carbon footprint" while pleading with others to reduce their for the sake of the world.

It's the very definition of hypocrite.

[IceColdBrewski]

Do as I say, not as I do.

[spurster]

What can he do? Tipper keeps turning all the lights on.

[scott]

Wrong on both counts. Neither of your fallacies apply.

This has nothing to do with whether or not his movie is accurate and everything to do with the hypocrite increasing his own "carbon footprint" while pleading with others to reduce their for the sake of the world.

It's the very definition of hypocrite.

So basically what you are saying is... both fallacies do apply?

[Yonivore]

So basically what you are saying is... both fallacies do apply?
No.

[IceColdBrewski]

Does he fly commericial, or private jet?

[BradLohaus]

Wrong on both counts. Neither of your fallacies apply.

This has nothing to do with whether or not his movie is accurate and everything to do with the hypocrite increasing his own "carbon footprint" while pleading with others to reduce their for the sake of the world.

It's the very definition of hypocrite.

Exactly. It has nothing to do with the validity of global warming or his movie and everything to do with Al Gore being a textbook "do what I say, just don't expect me to do it because I'm too important" elitist.

[Nbadan]

Not so fast...


It comes as no surprise that the right wingers are responding to Al Gore winning the Oscar for An Inconvenient Truth by attempting to swift boat him with attacks based upon the amount of energy he personally uses. While they still attempt to, it is getting harder for conservatives to deny the science of climate change now that it has become the consensus of scientific thought. This leaves their most common strategy of resorting to smears, knowing that the conservative pundits and bloggers will repeat any claim without any requirement for evidence. No matter that all the documented evidence refuted the claims about John Kerry, and that his accusers were found to be paid partisan hacks with a political agenda--its an attack on a Democrat so it will be passed off as truth.

Just as the Swift Boat liars were found have an agenda, James Johnson and James Boyce have found that those raising the charges against Gore are also Republican partisans. So far they have uncovered the following:

Tennessee Center's President Drew Johnson comes straight out of the right's network, coming from Exxon-funded American Enterprise Institute and the right-wing-funded National Taxpayers Foundation.

They are part of the right's State Policy Network. According to PFAW,

"SPN is a national network of state-based right-wing organizations in 37 states as well as prominent nationwide right-wing organizations. Through its network SPN advances the public policy ideas of the expansive right-wing political movement on the state and local level."

As of Feb. 16, the Tennessee tax dept. considers them "not a legitimate organization" because of their misrepresenting themselves involving questions about the group's opposition to a state crackdown on drug dealers.

Think Progress has contacted Al Gore for further clarification. (By the way, if you need evidence of how little regard right wingers have for honesty or rational though, check out the comments by a troll there by the name of Patrick1.) Think Progress received the following answers:

1) Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint — a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore’s office explains:

What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

In a sense purchasing carbon offsets is something that conservatives, who claim to support the free market except when it comes to the real world, should understand. Of course we understand their mind set which makes them not want to understand or acknowledge such a solution.

The mind set in work here is to paint the opponents as extremist crazies and only attack the straw men they create, as opposed to responding to their opponents' actual views. To the conservatives those who of us who oppose the Iraq war as being counter to our national interests are unwilling to defend America from real dangers. Those who exercise our rights to criticize the government are called unpatriotic traitors. Those who oppose the corporate-welfare schemes of the Republicans are called socialists. Similarly, when dealing with global warming they try to obfuscate the fact that this represents the consensus of the scientific community by claiming it is a religion. They claim those who speak of climate change are tree huggers who oppose the advantages of modern life. When they run into those who want to take real world action, such as lowering their carbon footprint and buying offsets while still living an affluent life style, they call them hypocrites for not living as predicted by their phoney stereotypes. Al Gore's sin here is not his actions, but not being the caricature of an environmentalist which they would make him out to be.

Liberal Values (http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1144)

[midgetonadonkey]

It's been cold. What the fuck? At least he didn't start a pointless, billion dollar war.

[gtownspur]

You assholes were'nt this forgiving to Mark Foley.

[midgetonadonkey]

You assholes were'nt this forgiving to Mark Foley.

He fucked dudes. Why should that be forgiven?

[whottt]

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/is_george_bush.php

Meanwhile...at the Western Whitehouse:




Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. “


PWNT

[101A]

Would somebody please explain carbon offsets?

At first glance it looks like a scam to take money from liberals who are too busy to be green; but to make them feel good, anyway.

I would like an explanation of them if someone could bother to do so.

[101A]

Not so fast...



Liberal Values (http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1144)


So, are their numbers correct or not?

Looks like the article you posted, Dan, sets up a straw man, and doesn't respond to the charge of the original post.

[IceColdBrewski]

Not so fast...



Liberal Values (http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1144)



So it's OK that he uses 20 times the amount of energy the average American family uses (in his Nashville residence alone), because he buys carbon credits? He gets up on a soapbox and tells other people to cut down their energy consumption but he doesn't follow his own advice. He preaches to use mass transit, to bike and walk, but he continues to use private jets. What's unbelievable is that he doesn't get called on it.

I do believe GW is an issue that needs to be addressed. We do need to act, but I don't need a career politician telling me to change the way I live when he uses 20 times the amount of energy I do.

Pretty funny that some of you libs are ok with Gore buying carbon credits to cover his fat polluting ass.

[Yonivore]

Why doesn't he buy carbon credits AND reduce his personal consumption?

Seriously, it'd be one thing if his mansion's energy consumption had stayed level or dropped after his "global climate change" bloviations started. But, to have a marked increase?

The guy's a fraud.


It's been cold.
:lmao

I think it's fucking hilarious that the Goracle of Global Warming keeps getting shafted by the cold.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well this is a bit confusing. All along Yoni has claimed that he doesn't buy the global warming debate the way it is beign waged in the arena of ideas. So if Yoni doesn't believe it's happening how can he call anyone a hypocrite of not living up to their words on global warming. It doesn't exist right Yoni? So why bother criticizing Gore or anyone else for being hypocrites on something that doesn't even exist?.. Yoni are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming? Halleluya!!!!! Yoni now is on our side. Great job bud welcome aboard!!!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why doesn't he buy carbon credits AND reduce his personal consumption?

Seriously, it'd be one thing if his mansion's energy consumption had stayed level or dropped after his "global climate change" bloviations started. But, to have a marked increase?

The guy's a fraud.


:lmao

I think it's fucking hilarious that the Goracle of Global Warming keeps getting shafted by the cold.


That's wierd you were no where to be found when it was 70 degrees in New York a few weeks ago..hadn't been warm like that in decades or longer.. I guess you only point out the weather when they suit your purpose .. gotcha

[Drive Like Jehu]

are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming?

Gore has produced a lot of hot air in his time...

[101A]

Well this is a bit confusing. All along Yoni has claimed that he doesn't buy the global warming debate the way it is beign waged in the arena of ideas. So if Yoni doesn't believe it's happening how can he call anyone a hypocrite of not living up to their words on global warming. It doesn't exist right Yoni? So why bother criticizing Gore or anyone else for being hypocrites on something that doesn't even exist?.. Yoni are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming? Halleluya!!!!! Yoni now is on our side. Great job bud welcome aboard!!!

You used confused logic, GGA.

Yoni is calling Gore a hypocrite for not practicing what he is preaching. Perfectly legitimate argument.

I would suggest however, that based on evidence presented by the lead article of this thread, regardless of its source, Yoni and Gore agree on whether human-caused global-warming is actually occurring.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You used confused logic, GGA.

Yoni is calling Gore a hypocrite for not practicing what he is preaching. Perfectly legitimate argument.

I would suggest however, that based on evidence presented by the lead article of this thread, regardless of its source, Yoni and Gore agree on whether human-caused global-warming is actually occurring.


Well let me ask you this way. People who don't believe (talk radio jargon) the left's new religion and don't alter their lifestyles because of global warming. Are they hypocrites? No because they don't believe man has anything to do with it or they think man can't do anything to slow it down. They don't believe it so can they then argue that someone is being a hypocrite for something they know not to be a fact?

[George Gervin's Afro]

To all those who call Gore a hypocrite. Let's say Gore agrees with you. Can he possibly ride a bike, use mass transit, etc.. without the possibilty of being harmed? Wouldn't a former Vice President put himself at a higher risk of assault or worse if he put himself in these situations? If he still has secret service protection wouldn't theese situations put them at risk as well? Especially with people out there like Yoni and ray? My point is this guy or any former Vice President cannot simply jump on a bike and ride to work. So then to say he shouldn't use private planes or should live on Yoni's street etc. because he believes in global warming is silly..

[Spurminator]

Calling him a hypocrite is fine, but let's not pretend the source doesn't have an opinion on the legitimacy of GW theories and an agenda in making this accusation.

Pretty weak to compare against "average households" though, for reasons that should be pretty obvious to anyone.

[Spurminator]

Wrong on both counts. Neither of your fallacies apply.

Think of it as a pre-emptive strike for the next Global Warming argument when someone goes "But, but, AL GORE doesn't conserve energy!!"

[01Snake]

Well this is a bit confusing. All along Yoni has claimed that he doesn't buy the global warming debate the way it is beign waged in the arena of ideas. So if Yoni doesn't believe it's happening how can he call anyone a hypocrite of not living up to their words on global warming. It doesn't exist right Yoni? So why bother criticizing Gore or anyone else for being hypocrites on something that doesn't even exist?.. Yoni are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming? Halleluya!!!!! Yoni now is on our side. Great job bud welcome aboard!!!

Smoke less pot.

[IceColdBrewski]

Think of it as a pre-emptive strike for the next Global Warming argument when someone goes "But, but, AL GORE doesn't conserve energy!!"

Guess I'll bite if nobody else will.

Please explain to us why the hell you think the Tennesse Center for Policy Research (a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization) would feel the need to launch a "pre-emptive strike" against Al Gore and global warming?

Too funny how this topic turns tree hugging libs into card carrying appologists for the energy devouring ultra rich.

[Yonivore]

To all those who call Gore a hypocrite. Let's say Gore agrees with you. Can he possibly ride a bike, use mass transit, etc.. without the possibilty of being harmed? Wouldn't a former Vice President put himself at a higher risk of assault or worse if he put himself in these situations? If he still has secret service protection wouldn't theese situations put them at risk as well? Especially with people out there like Yoni and ray? My point is this guy or any former Vice President cannot simply jump on a bike and ride to work. So then to say he shouldn't use private planes or should live on Yoni's street etc. because he believes in global warming is silly..
Except that we're not talking about any of those things. We're talking about his increased consumption at his personal home during a time when he's pleading with the rest of us to reduce our personal consumption...for the sake of the world!

What was it he said? Oh yeah, all it takes is the will and that's a renewable resource.

What a crock of lard he is.

[Spurminator]

Please explain to us why the hell you think the Tennesse Center for Policy Research (a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization) would feel the need to launch a "pre-emptive strike" against Al Gore and global warming?

I don't.

[Yonivore]

Well this is a bit confusing. All along Yoni has claimed that he doesn't buy the global warming debate the way it is beign waged in the arena of ideas. So if Yoni doesn't believe it's happening how can he call anyone a hypocrite of not living up to their words on global warming. It doesn't exist right Yoni? So why bother criticizing Gore or anyone else for being hypocrites on something that doesn't even exist?.. Yoni are you now accepting the fact that man has contributed to the to global warming? Halleluya!!!!! Yoni now is on our side. Great job bud welcome aboard!!!
Why am I not surprised by your confusion.

I talk about Gore's hypocrisy without even mentioning the merits of his "global climate change" nonsense and you, somehow, come to the conclusion one must agree with his underlying premise in order to call him a hypocrite for not practicing what he's preaching?

[Yonivore]

[/B]...in decades or longer...
You guys need to make up your minds on this issue.

Is it the hottest it's been in 113 years or 1,000 years or is it now "decades or longer?"

Guess what, there are places experiencing cold temperatures they haven't seen in a long time either.

It's called weather.

[xrayzebra]

Too funny how this topic turns tree hugging libs into card carrying appologists for the energy devouring ultra rich.

And love to tell others how bad us non-believers in man
made global warming. Hell, man is just a pimple on
earths butt. We can't control weather in any way shape, form
or fashion. If we can how come we still have hurricanes, tornado's
and bad storms. All we have to do is tame eveything to
a nice spring, gentle rain...........and plan on what days
we want it. Right? As matter of fact, how many
degrees has old mother earth warmed in the last
century. Anyone want to hazard a guess?

[Yonivore]

Calling him a hypocrite is fine, but let's not pretend the source doesn't have an opinion on the legitimacy of GW theories and an agenda in making this accusation.

Pretty weak to compare against "average households" though, for reasons that should be pretty obvious to anyone.
Well, that was only part of the equation. The most damning part is that his energy consumption, in that same house, has risen markedly in the time since he became the Goracle of Global Warming.

There's where the hypocrisy comes in.

But, you're right, compared to other mansions, he's probably about average.

Now, when you look at President Bush's modest ranch house, he actually uses approximately 25% of what other homes his size do. And, he built that place green.

You can either bloviate about an issue or you can lead by example.

[IceColdBrewski]

I don't.

So stop trying to attack "the source" then.

[Spurminator]

Why?

[Nbadan]

Trying to explain carbon credit to a neo-conservative is like trying to calculus to a dexlexic and your 'non-profit organization' has deep connections to the American Enterprise Institute, which is a lobby group funded by Exxon, but let's ignore all these facts because they don't fit in to conservative attack on Gore.

[IceColdBrewski]

Trying to explain carbon credit to a neo-conservative is like trying to calculus to a dexlexic

Agreed; "trying to calculus to a dexlexic" is a real bitch. :rolleyes :lol

[Yonivore]

Carbon credits, offsets, and emissions credits are the modern day equivalent, in the Church of Liberalism, of the indulgences sold in the Catholic Church in the 16th Century.

All the movement needs now is a Martin Luther.

[Guru of Nothing]

Trying to explain carbon credit to a neo-conservative is like trying to calculus to a dexlexic and your 'non-profit organization' has deep connections to the American Enterprise Institute, which is a lobby group funded by Exxon, but let's ignore all these facts because they don't fit in to conservative attack on Gore.

The discussion begins and ends with "20-room, eight-bathroom." I will never, EVER, take moral guidance from an over-satiated person.

You fill in the blanks as you see fit Dan; me, I concur whore-heartedly that Gore is the epitome of hypocrite. Despite what you read and percieve, Gore and Dubya are two peas in a pod.

............

Al Whore rhymes with Gore
Coincidence I think not
Tipper is a MILF

[Yonivore]

Gore and Dubya are two peas in a pod.
I beg to differ...

Not every wealthy politician lives in a vast private mansion, and TreeHugger.com (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/is_george_bush.php) reports on one who lives more simply:


Is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. "By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small," says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. "Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses." Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream- colored center that most people want. "They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it," Heymann says. "So we bought all this throwaway stone. It's fabulous. It's got great color and it is relatively inexpensive."
No, Bush and Gore aren't even from the same plant.

[Guru of Nothing]

No, Bush and Gore aren't even from the same plant.

Tomayto and tomahto are unique plants, I presume.

[BradLohaus]

Carbon credits, offsets, and emissions credits are the modern day equivalent, in the Church of Liberalism, of the indulgences sold in the Catholic Church in the 16th Century.

All the movement needs now is a Martin Luther.


:clap That was great. Funny and true.

[sabar]

Shouldn't his mansion be compared to other mansions?
Of course he shouldn't be living in one in the first place.

And while I agree that humans are a "pimple on the Earth", we have managed to cut down half of the forests on the planet and put a timetable on oil, natural gas, copper, ect measurable in human lifetimes. It's just ignorant to pretend we cannot affect anything and that the earth will just keep replenishing itself for our uses.

Better safe than sorry. I'm glad I will be long dead by the time the consequences of our treatment towards the planet take effect.

[BradLohaus]

I'll put this here since this seems to be the newest global warming thread.
I found this on Drudge just now: more calls for a global tax on emissions to fight GW. This will probably all come together just in time for President Rodham to ram it through congress.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-02-28-voa2.cfm

Holdren, however, says even these measure will achieve very little unless they are accompanied by a global tax on greenhouse gas emissions. "We don't think ultimately society will get it right in terms of the full range and scope of activities needed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, until there is an additional incentive in the form of a price on greenhouse gas emissions, either through a carbon tax or a cap and trade approach," he said.

[Nbadan]

Gore and Dubya are two peas in a pod.

I disagree. As the leader of America, Dubya has the opportunity to sponsor change in the U.S. share of world-wide carbon foot-print on a massive scale. You know, stuff like mandating higher car fuel efficiency. Tax credits for replacing incandecent light bulbs with florescent. Tax credits for keeping your tires properly inflated and your car tuned up, or buying a electric lawn mower, weed-eater, and edger.

[Nbadan]

Trumped up political bullshit?


..But electric company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never provided them with any information.

Parker said Gore has been purchasing the "green power" for $432 a month since November. The Gore home is also under renovation to add solar panels, Kreider said.

MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17369241/)

Looks like someone forgot to hide their tracks...

[Nbadan]

Legitimated the AP can not, thanks in large part to no-other than Steven Colbert who was able to find this on the TCPR, Gore's accuser extra-ordinaire...

The group is a front for the GOP so they can collect tax free dollars and pay their underlings to do political hatchet jobs..

That is basically all these "Think" tanks are anyway....

Large donors set up shakey foundations that allow tax deductible contributions to be made....

The City Paper of Nashville ran this article that Colbert was able to find...


The TCPR is a think-tank based in Nashville focused on issues of government accountability, smaller government and lower taxes. The TCPR was recently in the news for being denied state budget figures it requested from the Tennessee Department of Revenue. Revenue department employees in state emails claimed the TCPR was not a “legitimate” group.

Linky (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section_id=...)

[PixelPusher]

^and now this thread will be utterly abandoned.

[101A]

^and now this thread will be utterly abandoned.


Has anybody denied the validity of the accusation - that Gore spends ridiculous amounts (relatively) for energy for his home? The initial response from the Gore camp....errrr, office, didn't.

[Yonivore]

Isn't there some Wikipedia Fallacy defined that explains what Nbadan just did?

So, are the consumption numbers factual or not?

[Spurminator]

But electric company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never provided them with any information.

[101A]

^^^

So, they very well might have lied about where the information came from.

Gore didn't deny it.

[Spurminator]

Deny what?

That his house is bigger than a one-bedroom apartment? That "green" energy typically costs more?

Give me a break! Al Gore may very well be a big fat fucking hypocrite, along with being the most boring and uninspiring personality in our country this side of John Kerry, but I can't believe you guys don't see the many logical flaws in this accusation. And now that the accusation has been shown to be without merit, you still want him to deny it?

The unfaithful preacher is more effectively shunned by members of his own congregation than by a rival church. If you want to attack the theory of Global Warming, stick to the actual debate. Don't cling to this bullshit as though you actually care about his energy consumption. That's lazy.

[clambake]

Who cares. Bush still has two years to turn the earths surface into glass.

[Yonivore]

Deny what?

That his house is bigger than a one-bedroom apartment? That "green" energy typically costs more?

Give me a break! Al Gore may very well be a big fat fucking hypocrite, along with being the most boring and uninspiring personality in our country this side of John Kerry, but I can't believe you guys don't see the many logical flaws in this accusation. And now that the accusation has been shown to be without merit, you still want him to deny it?
But, he didn't deny it, he tried to explain it away.


The unfaithful preacher is more effectively shunned by members of his own congregation than by a rival church. If you want to attack the theory of Global Warming, stick to the actual debate. Don't cling to this bullshit as though you actually care about his energy consumption. That's lazy.
Ah, but there wouldn't be a debate but for the Algore's of the world trying to lie credibility into the whole sham.

[Yonivore]

I think Scott Ott over at Scrappleface.com has hit on another fitting analogy to Gore's buying of indulgences from the Church of Global Warming:

Gore Lives Carbon-Neutral, Fat-Neutral Lifestyle (http://www.scrappleface.com/)

(2007-02-28) — Oscar-winning filmmaker Al Gore today expanded his call for Americans to reduce their output of greenhouse gases — the so-called carbon-footprint — adding a demand to cut the rate of adult-onset obesity, which he termed “your gluteal fatprint.”

Speaking to fellow Oscar winners who flew in to Nashville last night for a banquet at his 10,000 square-foot residence, Mr. Gore explained that Americans burn too much carbon-rich fuel, and eat too much fatty food.

While conservative groups have attacked Mr. Gore’s “hypocrisy (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/02/27/national/a151043S21.DTL&feed=rss.news)” on the global-warming issue, since his Tennessee home burns 15 times the electricity of the average home and he often flies on corporate jets, Mr. Gore maintains that he lives a “carbon-neutral” lifestyle because he also invests in solar and wind energy projects to counterbalance his own substantial carbon-footprint.

“Many people don’t realize that I also live a fat-neutral lifestyle,” Mr. Gore said. “While the inconvenient truth is that I’ve gained a few pounds since I beat George Bush at the polls in 2000, I also make large investments in companies that produce bran, sprouts and legumes, thereby reducing my “real feel” weight to around 175.”

[MannyIsGod]

He shouldn't be living in a mansion if he's going to preach about being green. Thats a huge point and if he's going to say we need to make changes he should be the one to start.

I don't deny this country needs change and I guess Al Gore's movie tried to do good (although I didn't like it much) and the scientific facts are out there for all to see, but it is undeniable this paints Gore as a huge asswipe. Carbon credits are bullshit, because before you go out and tell people to do something or do more, you better make sure you are doing all that you can. Having money doesn't mean you get to make more CO2 for the rest of us; or at least it shouldn't.

[clambake]

Just allow them this tiny distraction to plant their focus. The reality of their world is caving in. Show some mercy.

Their chosen, heroic one said it best. "You have to look at the wolf that's eating you".

[BIG IRISH]

http://ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon022807a.gif

[Spurminator]

He shouldn't be living in a mansion if he's going to preach about being green. Thats a huge point and if he's going to say we need to make changes he should be the one to start....before you go out and tell people to do something or do more, you better make sure you are doing all that you can.

Has Gore ever suggested that people should completely alter their lifestyles? I haven't seen the movie (and I won't) but I've never gotten the impression that this is a movement that suggests you should live well below your means to conserve energy.

[101A]

Has Gore ever suggested that people should completely alter their lifestyles? I haven't seen the movie (and I won't) but I've never gotten the impression that this is a movement that suggests you should live well below your means to conserve energy.


Dude has natural gas lanterns lining his driveway burning every night, and a heated pool....that 1 house (he has at least 3), burns 20 TIMES what the average US house does - if he believes global warming is truly something that mankind is responsible for, then he is not doing much of anything to reduce that effect, in fact he is doing more than the VAST majority of human beings.

This is very much like that evangelist in Colorado preaching on Sunday against gay marriage, while banging a male prostitute on Monday.

[101A]

Has Gore ever suggested that people should completely alter their lifestyles?

Not just people, but countries (ours).

[clambake]

Yeah, right, this is JUST like a preacher bashing gays on sunday and blowing one on monday. Nice try.

[boutons_]

The gay gay-bashing "minister" has repented and been pronounced cured and "completely hetero sexual" by other self-interested "ministers", so maybe there's hope for Big Al.

[101A]

Yeah, right, this is JUST like a preacher bashing gays on sunday and blowing one on monday. Nice try.


Please explain.

IMO:

Bash conspicuous consumption one day; consume (extremely, grotesquely, profoundly) conspicuously the next.

[101A]

The gay gay-bashing "minister" has repented and been pronounced cured and "completely hetero sexual" by other self-interested "ministers", ...


I wonder if dude got a bumper sticker (so to speak)?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Has Gore ever suggested that people should completely alter their lifestyles? I haven't seen the movie (and I won't) but I've never gotten the impression that this is a movement that suggests you should live well below your means to conserve energy.


Of course he hasn't.

[101A]

Of course he hasn't.


Then what is it he is saying? Be alarmist and advocate no change in behavior? Talk about a problem, and possibly throw money at it? Wait....

[Nbadan]

Doh!


http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/varv022807a.jpg

[BIG IRISH]

From the academy voters:

http://ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon022807.gif

[BIG IRISH]

.....

I don't deny this country needs change and I guess Al Gore's movie tried to do good (although I didn't like it much) and the scientific facts are out there for all to see,......

http://ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon012207.gif

[PixelPusher]

From the academy voters:

http://ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon022807.gif

FYI, they drove hybrid limos at the Oscars.

[BIG IRISH]

FYI, they drove hybrid limos at the Oscars.
Symbolism over substance


The "Photo" is from one of the parties afterward not at the oscars. :lol

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ramirez is a right winger. Every one of his cartoons slams dems..

[smeagol]

People who try to defend Gore are looking more stupid by the minute.

[Spurminator]

Based on what?

[xrayzebra]

^^Well for one thing, he buys his credits from himself, according
to Rush. He owns the company, who, he only can buy credits from.

I haven't check the facts, but Rush is normally right about things.
Much to all the Liberals (dimm-o-craps) "I hate Rush" philosophy.

[clambake]

That's very progressive of you Ray. Embracing the words of a drug addicted racist.

[xrayzebra]

That's very progressive of you Ray. Embracing the words of a drug addicted racist.

Yeah, I know. But then think of all the stuff you have posted
here from all your most wonderful folks on the left.

At least he does have group that monitors his show and
reports on his truthfulness and last report he was over
98 percent correct.

Do you want dispute what I posted or just blow your horn.

[clambake]

Yeah, in no way does his massive abuse of drugs and racist extremist views affect his ability of reason. But he has no problem pulling the feeble minded along. Enjoy the ride!

[xrayzebra]

^^Guess that is why he has a black person, host his show
quite often. Damn racist that he is.......of course you being
the "middle rode" kinda guy you are, you more than likely haven't
heard of Walter Williams.

Maybe, just sometimes, you ought to listen to him and see what
kind of show he has. You might learn a little something. I
doubt it, but you may. As closed minded as you are.

[clambake]

So what. Bush has his black whore, too. It doesn't matter what color you are if you only take orders from your pimp. Rice is a whore, Snow is a whore, Rove is a whore, Powell is no longer a whore. What's your point? That you admire drug addicted racist?

Is that your point?

[MannyIsGod]

Spurm, if living at your lifestyle means you add to global warming, then you shouldn't do it if you plan on leading the fight against global warming. It is ridiculous to say that you are allowed to do so when you're preaching against the very thing your activities cause.

[clambake]

Maybe all the other Gore's refuse to give up their watts. What should he do, divorce? You expect him to walk to conferences in NY? Maybe swim the ocean to european conferences?

[Guru of Nothing]

Spurm, if living at your lifestyle means you add to global warming, then you shouldn't do it if you plan on leading the fight against global warming. It is ridiculous to say that you are allowed to do so when you're preaching against the very thing your activities cause.

Al Gore for Pope!!

[Guru of Nothing]

I haven't check the facts, but Rush is normally right about things.

Tell us something we don't know.

[Spurminator]

Spurm, if living at your lifestyle means you add to global warming, then you shouldn't do it if you plan on leading the fight against global warming. It is ridiculous to say that you are allowed to do so when you're preaching against the very thing your activities cause.

What you are arguing is that Gore is disingenuous about his commitment to stopping Global Warming. That's perfectly fair if you believe everyone should live below their means to conserve energy. But again, that's not what Gore or any of his Hollywood buddies are preaching. Convenient, yes; hypocritical, no.


Ugh, I hate that you guys are making me defend this guy. I can't stand him. And frankly, I think he IS a poor figurehead for the environmental movement given his lavish lifestyle and his unbelievably uninspiring personality. It's not something people can identify with.

But my argue-meter just goes off when I see people basing an argument against someone on a partisan lobbying group's "report" built on unsubstantiated and deliberately vague and misleading numbers. I'd defend even Jesse Jackson against such a ridiculous smear attempt.

I'm going to go bathe now.