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AFBlue
03-01-2007, 09:29 PM
Saw this article on ESPN about the top 25 potential free agents for 2007. This is John Hollinger's prospective list of players. I have shortened the article by taking away some of the "descriptions" for players not likely to be had by the Spurs. Some of these players are out of the Spurs reach and some are definite possibilities.


1. Chauncey Billups, Pistons (p)

2. Vince Carter, Nets (p)

3. Rashard Lewis, Sonics (p)
The gap between spots No. 3 and 4 is longer than Yao Ming's inseam. Lewis potentially will get a max contract in the $100-million neighborhood; the next three players on this list might not get half of that.

As with Carter, he has the option to sign an extension with his team between now and the end of the June, but it wouldn't seem to be in either player's interests to do so when they could get a new, long-term deal this summer.

4. Gerald Wallace, Bobcats (p)
Wallace is perhaps the game's most unheralded star, using his tremendous athleticism to block shots, crash the boards and throw down transition jams. He's also effective enough off the bounce that he averages 16.2 points per game despite a hideous outside shot.

Considering he's only 24 and seems to have considerable upside left to explore, he might be the most undervalued commodity on this year's market.

5. Mo Williams, Bucks

6. Grant Hill, Magic
This is where the rankings get less defined. Hill is clearly the best player left on the list. But we don't how many games he'll be available to play, which is why nobody is going to offer Hill a deal longer than two or three years.

That said, he's still a star when healthy and easily could be the piece that puts a contending team over the top, plus he's a class act who won't ruffle feathers wherever he goes.

7. Darko Milicic, Magic (r)

8. Anderson Varejao, Cavs (r)
I'm not sure how high to put Varejao. On the one hand, scouts and execs absolutely love the guy because he plays hard all the time and never needs the ball. But on the other hand, you have to wonder if he's already pretty close to his ceiling as far as productivity and, if so, whether that output is worth anything more than the midlevel exception.


I'm not ruling out future improvement, but I'd sure as heck be wondering this if I was about to pay him.

9. Andres Nocioni, Bulls (r)
The Wild Bull of the Pampas is putting together his second straight solid season and, at 27, figures to have plenty left in the tank.


The one complication at the moment is the plantar fasciitis in his foot, which could make teams skittish if he can't come back this season and show his usual form.

10. Chris Webber, Pistons

11. Ruben Patterson, Bucks
People are going to stay away from this guy because of his reputation, but that might be a mistake. He's playing the best basketball of his career right now, averaging 14.4 points per game and shooting 54.5 percent from the floor. Plus, he's mellowed considerably off the floor and hasn't gotten into trouble in years.

He's 31, he's only 6-5 and he can't shoot, so if he loses a step he's finished. But he doesn't seem to have lost a thing athletically, and could be a big value this summer if teams don't get too crazy with the years.

12. Travis Outlaw, Blazers (r)
Outlaw hasn't played a ton of minutes this year, but when he's played, the 22-year-old forward has been effective. With his length and athleticism he has more potential than any other player outside the top 7, and after four years it looks like he's finally starting to put it together as a real basketball player.

At this point in the list, the gamble on that potential might be a better bet than a known quantity with a lower ceiling.

13. Luke Walton, Lakers
He chose the right time to have a breakout year. The fourth-year forward has improved tremendously as a scorer, which in turn has made his devastating passing skills even more of a threat.

On the downside, he's a better fit in a read-and-react system like L.A.'s than on a one-on-one team, so not every club will be a good match. Plus, he's only had one good season so teams shouldn't get too giddy with the bidding.

14. Jerry Stackhouse, Mavericks

15. Mo Peterson, Raptors
Of the three long-range specialists (Peterson, Matt Carroll and Jason Kapono) who figure to get paid this summer, Peterson is the worst shooter and the best basketball player. I can't provide a good explanation for why he lost his starting job in Toronto, but his performance hasn't fallen off one iota and, at 29, he figures to stick around for a while.

He could be a good value on a three-year deal around the midlevel.

16. Matt Carroll , Bobcats
Carroll has a rep as a shooter and he certainly can stroke it, but unlike a lot of shooters he has a real knack for getting to the line. That helps him get points even when the jumper isn't falling, which is why he scores so much (19.3 points per 40 minutes) for a shooting specialist.


He's 26 and his numbers this season aren't too far off his career norms, so he should be able to do this for quite a bit longer.

17. Mikki Moore, Nets

18. Jason Kapono, Heat
A non-entity before the season, Kapono worked his way into the Heat's starting lineup by ditching the high-difficulty Larry Bird fadeaways and sticking to spot-up shooting.


He's hitting a sizzling 52.5 percent on 3-pointers as a result and has the fourth-best true shooting percentage in basketball; that should earn him a nice payday over the summer.

19. DeShawn Stevenson, Wizards (p)
Stevenson had to settle for the minimum after opting out of his contract with Orlando a year ago; I have a feeling he'll do better this time.

The 25-year-old defensive specialist finally is beginning to blossom at the offensive end, shooting 46.5 percent on 3-pointers while reducing the 20-foot fadeaways off the dribble that had been his previous calling card.

20. Bonzi Wells, Rockets (p)
Wells' season mostly has been a lost cause, but he's had a few nice games recently. Moreover, everybody in the league still understands how he physically can overwhelm smaller guards with his power inside.

Wells won't get anything close to the 5-year, $36 million deal he turned down from Sacramento a year ago, but his off-year in Houston won't shut off the market completely.

21. Earl Boykins, Bucks (p)
What happens to a 5-5 guard with a shaky jumper when he gets into his 30s? I think more than a few teams are reluctant to find the answer to that question, which is why the bidding for Boykins might be less enthusiastic than one might expect just by looking at his stats.

The Hawks' experience with Speedy Claxton this year probably won't help Earl's case any.

22. Ime Udoka, Trail Blazers
After emerging from nowhere to become Portland's defensive ace and a surprisingly effective 3-point shooter from the corners (39.1 percent), Udoka looks to be in line for a nice payday.

Unfortunately for him, there are a lot of wing-defender types on the market this summer (Wallace, Patterson, Stevenson, Mickael Pietrus, Desmond Mason, Dahntay Jones, etc.), so that's likely to keep the bidding from getting too crazy.

23. Mickael Pietrus, Warriors (r)
Despite a second consecutive off-year, Pietrus remains intriguing because of his combination of defensive talent and 3-point shooting.

He's still only 25 and has scored at a decent clip his entire career, but his inability to put the pieces together is leaving a lot of people bewildered.

24. Charlie Bell, Bucks (r)
The fourth key Milwaukee player who will become a free agent after the season, Bell should be a desirable commodity because he's still fairly young (27), he plays solid defense on the wings despite his small stature (6-3), and he can shoot the rock (36.9 percent on 3s for his career).

25. Desmond Mason, Hornets
A great athlete with a hideous jumper, Mason's offensive limitations keep him from climbing higher up this list in spite of his undeniable physical skills.

The worry is that those crazy hops will diminish as he gets into his 30s -- he hits the big 3-0 in October -- while the offensive struggles will persist.

Best of the rest: The next 10, in no particular order -- Chucky Atkins, Grizzlies; Kelenna Azubuike, Warriors (r); Matt Barnes, Warriors; Travis Diener, Magic (r); Chuck Hayes, Rockets (r); Dahntay Jones, Grizzlies; Jamaal Magloire, Trail Blazers; Chris Mihm, Lakers; Smush Parker, Lakers; James Posey, Heat.

Mr. Body
03-01-2007, 09:30 PM
Somehow I think Grant Hill will manage to be a Spur next year for $3 million a year, two years.

AFBlue
03-01-2007, 09:33 PM
Somehow I think Grant Hill will manage to be a Spur next year for $3 million a year, two years.

With the second year being a team option and/or partially guaranteed contract. Wouldn't want to take up cap space for the summer of 08 right? Somehow I don't doubt it...

ggoose25
03-01-2007, 09:34 PM
lets go after charlie bell so we can finally have a solid backup PG

AFBlue
03-01-2007, 09:36 PM
Deshawn Stevenson is interesting, but I don't know if he's big enough to play and guard the SF spot....

pad300
03-01-2007, 09:48 PM
I sincerely hope someone gets Luke Walton away from the Lakers (not necessarily us, although he might be quite good at the 3 spot).

I can't see us actually paying for Rashard Lewis.

Which player we chase will very much depend on what we do in the draft. I anticipate needing a minimum of one big (Ely and Bonner Expire) and a backup PG (Vaughn expires). The other open roster slot will likely go to a wing player (SF). It is likely we will resign Vaughn, who has played well this year. I am unsure if we will be able to resign Bonner. Bonner will not be offered more than 1 guaranteed year (with others as team options/unguaranteed), and may well want more security elsewhere.

We may need considerably more bodies, as I can see Udrih and Oberto moved, and Horry retiring. Potentially another backup PG, and 2 more bigs.

I also expect us to do not very much business in Free Agency, looking solely for 1 year contracts ( or with later years as team options). I think the Spurs will be looking for useful draft choices...

Examples of immediately useful Draft picks who might be available - Nick Fazekas (PF/C), Herbert Hill(PF/C), Demetris Nichols(SF), Reyshawn Terry(SF), Jared Dudley(SF/PF), Rudy Fernandez (SG, Longshot to be available at our pick), Mustafa Shakur (PG), Glen Davis(PF/C), Sean Singletary (PG)

spurschick
03-01-2007, 10:41 PM
9. Andres Nocioni, Bulls (r)
The Wild Bull of the Pampas is putting together his second straight solid season and, at 27, figures to have plenty left in the tank.
The one complication at the moment is the plantar fasciitis in his foot, which could make teams skittish if he can't come back this season and show his usual form.

We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

dg7md
03-01-2007, 10:52 PM
Somehow I think Grant Hill will manage to be a Spur next year for $3 million a year, two years.

God, I'd want anybody on that list over him. Not to say he isn't a class act and a great player but we need to address athleticism and youth for our future.

I say we push hard to get Rashard Lewis. He'd be our answer at our 3 spot.

Kori Ellis
03-01-2007, 11:08 PM
Here's a complete list of FA's by team:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2654216

and more information:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/feature/featureIndex?page=nbafreeagency2007

Rick Von Braun
03-01-2007, 11:50 PM
We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

What we don't have are the six million dollars!

:p:

AFBlue
03-02-2007, 06:15 AM
God, I'd want anybody on that list over him. Not to say he isn't a class act and a great player but we need to address athleticism and youth for our future.

I say we push hard to get Rashard Lewis. He'd be our answer at our 3 spot.

He's opting out of a guaranteed $20M+ over the next two years because he thinks he can get more on the open market, and chances are he might be right. Rashard could get a 5yr deal for somewhere around $15M per year....the Spurs don't have that kind of cash or level of trade assets outside of the big 3.

Axl Van Dam
03-02-2007, 06:18 AM
Saw this article on ESPN about the top 25 potential free agents for 2007. This is John Hollinger's prospective list of players. I have shortened the article by taking away some of the "descriptions" for players not likely to be had by the Spurs. Some of these players are out of the Spurs reach and some are definite possibilities.

The FO should PRIORITIZE these 3:

1. Luke Walton - This dude's basketball IQ is above average and will definitely be a big plus to the team.

2. Mickael Pietrus - Quite possibly the one to take Bruce Bowen's spot when Bruce hangs up his sneakers.

3. Gerald Wallace - Possibly the long athletic 3 we've been yearning.

:reading :reading :reading :reading :reading

ginobili fan
03-02-2007, 08:04 AM
can we have pietrus or it is a dream?

Borosai
03-02-2007, 08:11 AM
"I am Gerald Wallace!"

How realistic is that?

JPB
03-02-2007, 08:32 AM
Mickael Pietrus, Warriors (r)
Despite a second consecutive off-year, Pietrus remains intriguing because of his combination of defensive talent and 3-point shooting.

:huh

It doesn't look like Mike is having an off-year to me, with all the ball-eaters in his team.
He's been asked to concentrate on the rebound and did it and continues to defend well from what I've seen.

Bruno
03-02-2007, 08:39 AM
Spurs will have more than $22M in tradable expirings (Barry, Horry, Elson, Finley, Oberto, Butler, Udrih and White) next summer : Spurs FO should be aggressive on the trade market with that.

romain.star
03-02-2007, 10:08 AM
pietrus, decent scorer, athletic, young.....
he might be a good sign

BALLZ & MY WORD
03-02-2007, 10:41 AM
Without question the FA we should be targeting this summer is Gerald Wallace. He definitively answers our need for a long athletic 3 and heir apparent to Bruce Bowen. They need to go Balls to the Wall to pick up this guy. His style of play would flourish in the Spurs system.

:king

mountainballer
03-02-2007, 11:18 AM
even if I'm repeating myself again.
Spurs should focus on Gerald Wallace. I do think that there is a chance that he end up as a Spur if they really try.
I don't think that the teams with cap space will go for him and offer him significantly more than the MLE. the teams that have the cap space are all well eqiped at the SF spot with young and athletic wings. (Hawks, Bulls, Magic, Grizzlies, Bucks).
so I can't see any of this teams throw their cap space at Wallace.
so he either has to sign for the MLE (btw. a 5 years/30 million $ contract isn't exactly underpaying) or a S&T.
considering all the expiring contracts, Spurs could offer a package with such a contract, add cash, add young players (Butler, Beno) who might flourish on another team, add rights (Ian, Scola) and/or picks.
not a mind-boggling offer, I know, but also not as bad as sometimes described.

VaSpursFan
03-02-2007, 11:19 AM
Without question the FA we should be targeting this summer is Gerald Wallace. He definitively answers our need for a long athletic 3 and heir apparent to Bruce Bowen. They need to go Balls to the Wall to pick up this guy. His style of play would flourish in the Spurs system.

:king

i'd rather see us go after him too. he's the most intriguing prospect for the 3 spot being that he gets after it on d, rebounds and can score the ball. he may not be the lock down defender like bowen but he can offset that with his rebounding.

BALLZ & MY WORD
03-02-2007, 11:43 AM
i'd rather see us go after him too. he's the most intriguing prospect for the 3 spot being that he gets after it on d, rebounds and can score the ball. he may not be the lock down defender like bowen but he can offset that with his rebounding.

True you may lose a little bit on D, but all the other facets of his game more than make up for that. Who knows within the Spurs system, his overall defensive play might even improve. It is definitely somewhat of a security blanket on the perimeter when the Spurs are playing optimum help defense. It would allow anyone to be a little more agressive than they would be on a marginal defensive team.

SenorSpur
03-02-2007, 12:09 PM
i'd rather see us go after him too. he's the most intriguing prospect for the 3 spot being that he gets after it on d, rebounds and can score the ball. he may not be the lock down defender like bowen but he can offset that with his rebounding.

Count me onboard also.

Gerald Wallace is and can be such a tremendous difference-maker in ways that the Spurs do not have currently. Blocking shots, rebounding, steals, scoring in transition. The best part is he's still a young cat.

I'm not so worried about his defense as he can learn to be a better defender once he gets into our system. Especially getting a chance to observe a pro like Bowen.

I hope the FO aggressively goes after him.

BALLZ & MY WORD
03-02-2007, 12:14 PM
Count me onboard also.

Gerald Wallace is and can be such a tremendous difference-maker in ways that the Spurs do not have currently. Blocking shots, rebounding, steals, scoring in transition. The best part is he's still a young cat.

I'm not so worried about his defense as he can learn to be a better defender once he gets into our system. Especially getting a chance to observe a pro like Bowen.

I hope the FO aggressively goes after him.

WALLACE OR BUST!!!!!!! :fro

mountainballer
03-02-2007, 12:18 PM
I'm not so worried about his defense as he can learn to be a better defender once he gets into our system. Especially getting a chance to observe a pro like Bowen.


his defense is already one of the better in the NBA at his position and is at a much higher level than Bowen's was at the same age.
the best case scenario of Wallace in a Spurs system is, that his defense becomes as great as Bowen at his best but his offense and rebounding at 2 levels higher than Bowen has ever been. (not that this would mean much)
the only downgrade is, that he can't hit the 3.
but if he could he would be out of our reach and ask for a max contract theses days.

SenorSpur
03-02-2007, 12:28 PM
his defense is already one of the better in the NBA at his position and is at a much higher level than Bowen's was at the same age.
the best case scenario of Wallace in a Spurs system is, that his defense becomes as great as Bowen at his best but his offense and rebounding at 2 levels higher than Bowen has ever been. (not that this would mean much)
the only downgrade is, that he can't hit the 3.
but if he could he would be out of our reach and ask for a max contract theses days.


even better news. I just wonder how Wallace's situation will play out with ownership and such.

I know MJ recently sent a letter to the Bobcats season ticket holders stating that the team would be willing to spend whatever to improve their team. However their owner, Bob Johnson, is a notorious cheapskate. I just wonder if he will "ante up" the bucks needed to retain Wallace.

Besides, they've already made an investment in Adam Morrison and I believe those two play the same position. Morrison may be the better shooter, but Wallace is, without question, the better overall player.

It'll be interesting to see who that shakes out.

Mitch Cumsteen
03-02-2007, 12:58 PM
Wallace would be nice, but I think he's going to be out of the Spurs price range. The guy I'd like to get from Charlotte would be Primoz Brezek. He would be a flyer on a seven footer much like Butler and Elson. I think he'd be worth a look.

I'd take James Posey in a heartbeat if they could get him for cheap. Great long defender who can hit the three. He had a huge contract with Memphis/Miami, so he may be affordable.

AFBlue
03-02-2007, 01:08 PM
:huh

It doesn't look like Mike is having an off-year to me, with all the ball-eaters in his team.
He's been asked to concentrate on the rebound and did it and continues to defend well from what I've seen.

Agree with this assessment. I also questioned Hollinger when he made that statement about Pietrus. Granted Pietrus is still inconsistent, but like Deshawn Stevenson, I think Mikael has learned to make sound decisions and play within his ability rather than jacking up ill-advised shots and playing soft.

As a possible signing this off-season, I think it could go either way. If the Warriors sign him, it almost certainly means that they'll aggressively shop Jason Richardson, Stephen Jackson, and/or Al Harrington. While Pietrus has the most youth and upside, he is clearly the least effective player. I think Golden State will be willing to do a sign-and-trade, or trade one of the other assets, for an expiring contract and a prospect/pick.

Bottom Line: Someone is on the outs in GS, it will be an interesting situation to follow...

Mr. Body
03-02-2007, 01:14 PM
Pietrus is in a bad situation in Golden State. That team will never harness whatever potential he might have.

AFBlue
03-02-2007, 01:18 PM
even better news. I just wonder how Wallace's situation will play out with ownership and such.

I know MJ recently sent a letter to the Bobcats season ticket holders stating that the team would be willing to spend whatever to improve their team. However their owner, Bob Johnson, is a notorious cheapskate. I just wonder if he will "ante up" the bucks needed to retain Wallace.

Besides, they've already made an investment in Adam Morrison and I believe those two play the same position. Morrison may be the better shooter, but Wallace is, without question, the better overall player.

It'll be interesting to see who that shakes out.

Bernie Bickerstaff's mantra has been for the Bobcats to build and develop for their future through the draft, so I think it serves that where they go in the 2007 draft will be a big factor in whether or not Gerald Wallace is re-signed.

Ultimately, I think it will be tough to let a guy like Gerald Wallace walk when he's been a big part of their few successes thus far.

And contrary to popular belief, Wallace and Morrison can play together with Wallace defending the SG position, but defering to Morrison on offense.

mountainballer
03-02-2007, 01:19 PM
Agree with this assessment. I also questioned Hollinger when he made that statement about Pietrus.

I question Hollinger, when he makes any statement.

even if I would agree, like in the description of Wallce. I read it and think: WTF, Hollinger thinks the same like I do, something must have been wrong about my impression.

mountainballer
03-02-2007, 01:25 PM
Bernie Bickerstaff's mantra has been for the Bobcats to build and develop for their future through the draft, so I think it serves that where they go in the 2007 draft will be a big factor in whether or not Gerald Wallace is re-signed.

Ultimately, I think it will be tough to let a guy like Gerald Wallace walk when he's been a big part of their few successes thus far.

And contrary to popular belief, Wallace and Morrison can play together with Wallace defending the SG position, but defering to Morrison on offense.

I think it is less a question about positions and if Wallace and Morrison can co-exist. Bobcats have to resign some of their players to big extensions soon and I'm sure they are still hoping for the big fish in this years lottery. cheap as they are, I just don't think that they want to spend the money on Wallace that they are reserving for Felton; Okafor, probably Morrison and the 2007 pick. Wallace is just the odd man out when thinking of more than MLE contracts. (and if they only offer him the MLE, I think Wallace will prefer to go to a winning situation, because MLE he will get from many teams. like the Spurs)

AFBlue
03-02-2007, 01:36 PM
I'd take James Posey in a heartbeat if they could get him for cheap. Great long defender who can hit the three. He had a huge contract with Memphis/Miami, so he may be affordable.

I don't know that Posey will be affordable. Championship contenders are always looking for that defensive-minded guy that won't disrupt chemistry but can knock down a shot when called upon.

Last year, Greg Buckner got a deal from the Mavs for almost the full MLE I believe. If the Heat don't keep him, I think another team will try to add him as a "missing piece". I don't doubt the Spurs will try for him, but I doubt they get desperate enough to give him more than half the MLE.

It is a possibility though...

AFBlue
03-02-2007, 01:49 PM
I think it is less a question about positions and if Wallace and Morrison can co-exist. Bobcats have to resign some of their players to big extensions soon and I'm sure they are still hoping for the big fish in this years lottery. cheap as they are, I just don't think that they want to spend the money on Wallace that they are reserving for Felton; Okafor, probably Morrison and the 2007 pick. )

No offense, but the Bobcats have $30 MILLION of cap space to play with this summer. With the way that contracts are formatted (base year a relatively low number with high % increases), the Bobcats could conceivably sign Chuancey, Vince, and Rashard. And the first of those draft picks (Okafor) isn't even eligible for an extension until next year or the year after.

Basically what I'm saying is that the Bobcats can sign Wallace to a Q-Rich type contract and still have plenty of money to work extensions with their young bucks over the next 3-5 years.


Wallace is just the odd man out when thinking of more than MLE contracts. (and if they only offer him the MLE, I think Wallace will prefer to go to a winning situation, because MLE he will get from many teams. like the Spurs)

I do agree on this point, however. Wallace is not a "restricted" FA, so he has a say where he goes. Players don't often sacrafice millions to play in a better situation and Charlotte has been loyal to Wallace, but he could still refuse a larger contract with the Bobcats to sign somewhere else.

I don't think it's likely, but it has happened before (Barry), so I'm not discounting it as a possibility.