TimVP and Marcus Bryant are going to get owned [Archive]

whottt

03-02-2007, 01:46 PM

They don't have an option on Barry.

Baseline...I generally have tremendous respect for you on the subject of cap and FA...however...you got ownt in 03 along with the rest of us on Danny Ferry's contract. I am certain I remember Barry's contract being a team option in the 4th year...I could be wrong, but so could hoopshype.

I doubt Finley opts out,

I don't. He can make more money, without having to play so much freaking D.

and why the hell would Oberto opt out of $2.5 million guaranteed? There's no way in hell his play has justified any better payday anywhere else.

False...Jerry West likes him. And he might opt out for more PT instead of riding the IR and thus ending his career...Oberto can opt out to sign a multi year deal.

Teams were interested in Rasho and Nazr too.

and the Spurs would be nuts to let Bruce walk.

Hmmm...Pop was about to let David Robinson walk. And I'm not sure of the rules but if they can opt out and resign Bruce for less+ additional years, Bruce has proven he is willing to do this in the past.

Duncan + Parker + Ginobili + Barry + Elson + Butler + Udrih already costs us $51.9 million.

At the least Barry's deal is going to be in the final year, thus making him a valuable player and trade piece in a S&T.

Add in Oberto's $2.5 million and you're looking at $54.4 million, assuming Rob retires, and Finley opts out.

The salary cap is $53.135 million right now.

Say I'm right...how far will they be under the cap? If they can get more than the MLE under they cap that will put them in better position that most of the teams this offseason...with quite a few swings available.

baseline bum

03-02-2007, 01:51 PM

Where's Finley going to get more money after the horrible season he's having?

whottt

03-02-2007, 01:55 PM

So you are saying the Spurs will sign a significant player this summer and blow their 2008 capspace?

So what will happen in 2008? The Spurs will have Tim, Manu, Tony and player X and then just fill the roster with minimum contracts?

Yeah...basically like they already do, more or less.

They'll have slots for signing draftpicks, the LLE...

Bowen and Horry's final years are partially guaranteed. Oberto and Finley have player options.

Are you saying the Spurs also have a team option Horry?

Even better...

I don't think there's any option on Barry.

We'll see...it fits with the Spurs MO to have a team option on that final year of a 30 something player.

Bottom line is that if I am right the Spurs will be in a better position this summer than next to aquire the elusive talented SF...in a position to do it more cheaply as well.

4 draft picks.
Tradeable overseas commodities.
Multiple expiring contracts with skilled proven veterans.
Limited capspace available to most teams.
Lots of swings available.

whottt

03-02-2007, 01:57 PM

Where's Finley going to get more money after the horrible season he's having?

Finley is a player that commands respect and has a lot to offer to a young team in need of leadership and experience...he was signed on the cheap by the Spurs.

Keep in mind, he's been banking courtesy of Mark Cuban as well...I doubt money is his primary consideration.

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 01:57 PM

Are you saying the Spurs also have a team option Horry?

Even better...

I don't think it's actually an option. But I believe that they could waive him and only pay about 1/2 his salary.

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 02:00 PM

We'll see...it fits with the Spurs MO to have a team option on that final year of a 30 something player.

I thought I had remembered that there was an option of some sort on him, but I can't find it anywhere. So I'm assuming at this point that there's not.

Sort of off topic, do you think they are re-signing Bonner this summer? It seems like by what Pop/PJ have said lately, they are. How much do you think he gets?

Extra Stout

03-02-2007, 02:02 PM

and the Spurs would be nuts to let Bruce walk.
Unless Bruce is the hoops equivalent of Nolan Ryan, this summer is exactly the right time to dump him. He's just at the point where you can tell he's lost a step, but he hasn't plunged off the precipice.

whottt

03-02-2007, 02:04 PM

Even if somehow Oberto is still here...SA is going to start looking a whole lot like Team Argentina to Noccioni....

Ample S&T possiblities there with Chicago who has an abundance of what the Spurs lack(SF) and a need for what the Spurs have...young players with potential at the PF position.

whottt

03-02-2007, 02:05 PM

Sort of off topic, do you think they are re-signing Bonner this summer? It seems like by what Pop/PJ have said lately, they are. How much do you think he gets?

I don't know...but I saw Pop reaming Bonner out bigtime in our last game.

Based on the PT he's getting...not much.

I like him...but let's face it, he's not the major need.

Bruno

03-02-2007, 02:07 PM

I too think that there isn't a 08 plan for a simple reason : Spurs have offered to Przybilla a 4 years contract last summer.

Spurs won't have capspace this summer but they will have tons of expirings to trade (around $20M).

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 02:09 PM

I don't know...but I saw Pop reaming Bonner out bigtime in our last game.

Based on the PT he's getting...not much.

I like him...but let's face it, he's not the major need.

Well I don't think he'd be a priority at all. But Pop and PJ have been saying stuff like he's going to be a Spur a long, long time, etc. The reason I'm mentioning it is because that signing will eat at least $2M a year.

whottt

03-02-2007, 02:22 PM

Yeah Bonner is a definite consideration this offseason...but then why aren't they giving him meaningful PT?

Pop also said Rasho was the key to our D...

He called Barry the smartest offensive player on the team.

He went to bat to get Horry resigned then benched him.

The ways of Pop are a mystery to all...

But to me it seems like the Spurs are set up to do something this offseason...not next...

And if you look at what they did last season they were extremely clever about capitalizing on the cap/roster woes of other teams...

They signed a Knicks RFA...that's unheard of.

I'd say their manuevering last offseason shows the roadmap for what they intend to do this offseason....Take advantage of teams in a financial/roster slot bind.

Hard limits on the roster slots are the new weapon in the small market arsenal for enterprising teams.

Two RFA's signed for a single MLE. Extremely well done and clever, regardless of how well the players are playing currently.

It's a new page to the Spurs playbook...a playbook that rests primarily in the hands of RC and Pop. And I predict MB and TimVP are going to get exposed for having a 2001 outlook in 2007. And somewhere GW will no longer be smiling.

baseline bum

03-02-2007, 03:01 PM

Unless Bruce is the hoops equivalent of Nolan Ryan, this summer is exactly the right time to dump him. He's just at the point where you can tell he's lost a step, but he hasn't plunged off the precipice.

Not unless you're pretty confident of getting Gerald Wallace or Nocioni with the MLE, because that's about how much they'll have in capspace should they cut Bruce. I'm not saying sign him to an extension, but you can't just ditch your only SF when you don't have a single person who could play the position if you don't land Wallace or Nocioni (which is highly unlikely if you're only throwing MLE deals at them).

remingtonbo2001

03-02-2007, 03:13 PM

Devin Brown might be a possibility, but I'm sure this has been discussed from every aspect.

ducks

03-02-2007, 03:17 PM

devin brown has about as much chance at making the time as jeffdrum21

ArgSpursFan

03-02-2007, 03:49 PM

Finley signed for 2 years in the summer of '05. I'm pretty sure that his contract will expire without any options this summer.

I´ve heard he´s got one more year left in his contract.

whottt

03-02-2007, 04:09 PM

Devin Brown might be a possibility, but I'm sure this has been discussed from every aspect.

Devin Brown will not a be Spur again - Gregg Poppovich from the Pop Show 2006.

whottt

03-02-2007, 04:10 PM

Not unless you're pretty confident of getting Gerald Wallace or Nocioni with the MLE, because that's about how much they'll have in capspace should they cut Bruce. I'm not saying sign him to an extension, but you can't just ditch your only SF when you don't have a single person who could play the position if you don't land Wallace or Nocioni (which is highly unlikely if you're only throwing MLE deals at them).

Linton Johnson is out there with vastly improved game...

Deshawn Stephenson(Bruce replacement if nothing else).

Go check out the full 07 FA list....it's loaded.

ChumpDumper

03-02-2007, 04:13 PM

I still say that Barry has a team option on the final year of his contract. I'm not sure about Horry...but they also hold a team option on Bowen, and Finley and Oberto have player options they are likely to opt out of. You are talking substantial cap space.I'll play along.

How much space?

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 04:17 PM

I see the Spurs throwing money at Gerald Wallace. He has the potential to be much better than Bruce Bowen ever was.

The problem is they don't have money to throw. Even if they somehow got two of Oberto, Finley, Horry or Bowen off the books, they still aren't really under the cap by much at all.

Horry For 3!

03-02-2007, 04:19 PM

The thing with Gerald Wallace if the Spurs throw money at him. He needs to learn how to stay healthy.

whottt

03-02-2007, 04:19 PM

I'll play along.

How much space?

I asked bb that same question...you guys are the cap experts not I.

If it's possible to get more than the MLE then they have an advantage over many teams.

Additionally, if they can get under the cap it opens up trade possiblities heretofore unseen.

If you take Bowen, Horry, Barry, Oberto, Finley, etc of the books that puts the Spurs cap figure at around 40 million I'd say...

Keep in mind that Bruce may be flexible...that leaves resigning Vaughn, using the draft picks or signing some of our overseas picks...

Mr. Body

03-02-2007, 04:26 PM

The thing with Gerald Wallace if the Spurs throw money at him. He needs to learn how to stay healthy.

A-yup. He's like a little Corey Maggette in training as far as missing at least 20 games a year goes. :dizzy

ChumpDumper

03-02-2007, 04:26 PM

If you take Bowen, Horry, Barry, Oberto, Finley, etc of the books that puts the Spurs cap figure at around 40 million I'd say...Around $44 million in a scorched-earth scenario where no Spur free agent would be allowed to come back and no amount of guaranteed salary would count for any of the players you mentioned. I simply don't think they could have pulled this off with that many players unlike the Ferry example where it was one guy who was going to retire anyway. It makes sense with Horry, but not anyone else.

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 04:30 PM

Around $44 million in a scorched-earth scenario where no Spur free agent would be allowed to come back and no amount of guaranteed salary would count for any of the players you mentioned. I simply don't think they could have pulled this off with that many players unlike the Ferry example where it was one guy who was going to retire anyway. It makes sense with Horry, but not anyone else.

But in reality Bowen and Horry's partial guarantee amounts would count, right? As well as a certain amount counts against the cap for each open roster spot to a point.

So, really they'd still be around $50M, correct?

ArgSpursFan

03-02-2007, 04:32 PM

Finley could retire and work for the spurs coaching or FO team.At least he wouldn´t suck any worst tham on the court this year.

ShoogarBear

03-02-2007, 04:50 PM

:worthy: 2007 MASTER PLAN
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whottt

whottt

03-02-2007, 04:56 PM

Around $44 million in a scorched-earth scenario where no Spur free agent would be allowed to come back and no amount of guaranteed salary would count for any of the players you mentioned.

Explain this...

"no amount of guranteed salary would count for any of the players you mentioned"

I simply don't think they could have pulled this off with that many players unlike the Ferry example where it was one guy who was going to retire anyway. It makes sense with Horry, but not anyone else.

It only has to make sense with Barry.

If they opt out with Bruce does that mean they can't resign him?

Who else would we want back?

whottt

03-02-2007, 04:58 PM

:worthy: 2007 MASTER PLAN
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whottt

Maybe I am the only one impressed with what the Spurs FO did last offseason...but that doesn't mean it was something anyone else saw coming prior to the offseason.

SpursFO = ahead of the curve in tricks of the offseason as of this past offseason. Ahead of this board, ahead of the NBA.

Elson and Butler were 2 verifiable RFA steals for basically a MLE...

It was damned slick what they did.

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 05:00 PM

If they opt out with Bruce does that mean they can't resign him?

We were talking about this in another thread yesterday. It depends if it's a team option with a partial guarantee if it's not picked up. Or there's no option with a partial guarantee if he's waived. Because if it's the latter, then he would have to clear waivers etc for the Spurs to re-sign him after they waive him.

whottt

03-02-2007, 05:06 PM

What's the best case scenario?

Call it a hunch, but I have a feeling Bruce took one for the team if it was possible to do so.

ShoogarBear

03-02-2007, 05:06 PM

Maybe I am the only one impressed with what the Spurs FO did last offseason...but that doesn't mean it was something anyone else saw coming prior to the offseason.

SpursFO = ahead of the curve in tricks of the offseason as of this past offseason. Ahead of this board, ahead of the NBA.

Elson and Butler were 2 verifiable RFA steals for basically a MLE...

It was damned slick what they did.If Elson pans out (and that's still an if at this point), then you'll be right. Althought him panning out would have to be defined as the Spurs doing serious damage in the postseason.

As for Butler, I would say right now it's 70-30 that Zeke >>> Spurs on domestic talent once again.

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 05:10 PM

What's the best case scenario?

Call it a hunch, but I have a feeling Bruce took one for the team if it was possible to do so.

The best case scenario is the former - that it's a team option with a partial guarantee. Then I guess that they could just not pick up the option and re-sign him for less money per year but more than one year (just like he did last time when he had a player option year). If the scenario is the latter, then I don't think they would just waive him and have someone else pick him up off waivers.

exstatic

03-02-2007, 05:16 PM

The thing with Gerald Wallace if the Spurs throw money at him. He needs to learn how to stay healthy.
He also needs to learn how to shoot and handle the ball, and basically do everything except run and jump. Gerald Wallace is the Stromile Swift of SFs.

Bruno

03-02-2007, 06:04 PM

I don't see how Spurs can be by more than the MLE under the cap this summer.

Spurs payroll should be under $50M this summer (the MLE is about $5M and the salary cap will be at around $55M).

Let's take the base case scenario :
- Barry last year is a team option.
- Finley and Oberto opt out.
- Spurs dump Beno to a team.
- Spurs releases Horry and Bowen.

Spurs payroll will be :
Duncan + Parker + Manu + Elson + Butler = $45M

You should add to that unsigned first round picks that count agaisnt the cap : $800K*2 = $1.6M (Mahinmi + 07 first round pick)
You should too fill the roster to 12 with minimum contracts. $400k*5 = $2M

So it make a payroll of $48.6M without counting Horry's and Bowen's guaranteed money.

If Spurs do moves this summer : it will be with trades or with the MLE.

timvp

03-02-2007, 06:07 PM

WTF? :lol

I don't even understand this thread. How exactly is timvp going to get owned? Because the Spurs are going to be magically under the cap this summer?

Duncan - $19M
Parker - $10.5M
Ginobili - $9.1M
Barry - $5.6M
Elson - $3M
Butler - $2.3M
Udrih - $1.7M

That arleady is $51.2M and means that the Spurs would only have the MLE. Count in the rest . . .

Oberto - $2.5M
Bowen - $2M (if the Spurs waive him)
Horry - $1.5M (if the Spurs waive him)

That's now $57.2 and that's being generous on how little guaranteed money Horry has on his contract. Then after that Finley has a $3M+ option. And none of this is counting re-signing Bonner or Ely.

In other words, whottt is talking out of his azz if he thinks that the Spurs are going far enough under the salary cap to have something more than the MLE to spend. What's funny is he admits to not being a "cap guy", so who knows where he got this idea.

Even the most fairy tale of estimates where only Duncan, Parker, Manu, Elson, Butler and Udrih are left, with $3M buyouts due to Horry and Bowen, that puts the Spurs at $48.6M. Add in cap penalty for having only six players under contract (6 X $412,718) and the Spurs would be at $51.1M. That's not even close to being under the cap enough to have anything other than the MLE.

Apology Accepted.

timvp

03-02-2007, 06:10 PM

Pop and Holt will out manuever everyone. You are talking substantial cap space.

Bookmark this thread. You heard it here first.

Yes, everyone bookmark this thread.

Please.

:hat

midgetonadonkey

03-02-2007, 06:15 PM

I like timvp. He is smart.

timvp

03-02-2007, 06:24 PM

What I want the Spurs to do, and what I've been begging them to do, is to forget about the 2008 Master Plan and go out this summer and do whatever it takes to put the best team on the floor. Forget opening cap space, just go into the summer with the idea that the number one priority is to put a championship team on the court.

How they could do that is by trading any number of their expiring contracts for players with multi-year contracts. Even if that means eating some bad salaries in the 2012-13 season, so be it.

The Spurs have the tools to bring in some good players this summer. They have tons of expiring contracts, tons of draft picks and tons of overseas players. There is no excuse to not go out there and make moves to bring in the needed players.

The only thing that would stop them would be the 2008 Master Plan or Holt being too cheap to sign off on more multi-year contracts.

That's the reality of the situation. whottt can believe in the Cap Space Fairy if he wants, but this is the troof.

samikeyp

03-02-2007, 06:29 PM

So what you are saying is that you want the Spurs to compete for a championship right away.

Hmm...that's just crazy enough to work! :tu

Seriously...I would have to agree with timvp...the Spurs can do this...the question is will they. Its time for the FO to be aggressive.

whottt

03-02-2007, 06:54 PM

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 06:58 PM

Spurs have draft picks and foreign talent to use in a trade to get them further under the cap or in a S&T.

...

Are you saying packaging draft picks and foreign talent with current players in a trade?

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 07:00 PM

For the record, I think that whatever the Spurs do this summer, they'll end up with just the MLE and LLE to spend in free agency -- and I don't think they'll use them both. They might trade some people to try to upgrade, but in free agency I don't think they are going to have money to spend.

timvp

03-02-2007, 07:01 PM

Spurs have draft picks and foreign talent to use in a trade to get them further under the cap or in a S&T.

The callout is because you and MB have accused the Spurs of biding their time until 08....

I say that won't happen and there will be major moves this offseason to shore up the Spurs problem areas(IMO, SF)....owning you and MB in the process. Don't act like you haven't backed MB up on this...you've been bumping his 08 threads all year.

Uh, I've been calling for the end of the 2008 plan. That means I want them to trade this summer and I have dozens of posts stating that.

I'll admit to getting owned if the Spurs somehow have more money to spend this summer than the MLE. Otherwise, you just owned yourself on this thread.

I want the Spurs to forget about the summer of 2008 and make trades this offseason. That's what I've been asking for all along. You saying you want the Spurs to make trades this offseason isn't exactly a new idea ... it's what I've talked about all season. :lol

whottt

03-02-2007, 07:04 PM

I want the Spurs to forget about the summer of 2008 and make trades this offseason. That's what I've been asking for all along. You saying you want the Spurs to make trades this offseason isn't exactly a new idea ... it's what I've talked about all season. :lol

I'm not saying what I want the Spurs to do...I'm saying what they will do.

timvp

03-02-2007, 07:05 PM

I'm not saying what I want the Spurs to do...I'm saying what they will do.

So you want them to follow through on timvp's ideas?

Got it.

whottt

03-02-2007, 07:13 PM

Are you saying packaging draft picks and foreign talent with current players in a trade?

Among other things...it's not entirely up to the Spurs to maintain this roster another season IMO. They have to have a plan to move this season.

I am saying it is easily possible for them to get under the cap or pull off a S&T due to the options contracts and trade assets they have...including 4 draft picks, at the minimum 7 expiring contracts worth @ 20 million(going into next season), and at least 2 well regarded NBA prospects playing overseas.

I am saying that looking at the cap situation for most teams this offseason, the teams that have cap, and the available FA pool...it's obvious they intend to move this offseason.

I don't know about you guys, but I personally am liking the Bobcats a whole lot right now, for a variety of reasons....edit: and the Bulls.

whottt

03-02-2007, 07:14 PM

So you want them to follow through on timvp's ideas?

Got it.

So basically, if I do a forum search I won't find any TimVP Holt bashings? If that's true I will apologize lmao.

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 07:17 PM

I am saying it is easily possible for them to get under the cap ...

Explain to me how it's easy to get under the cap by more the MLE.

timvp

03-02-2007, 07:19 PM

So basically, if I do a forum search I won't find any TimVP Holt bashings? If that's true I will apologize lmao.
What does Holt bashing have to do with the Spurs getting under the cap this summer? You insist that the Spurs are going to have "substantial cap space". That has nothing to do with Holt.

Will you apologize when the Spurs don't even attempt to get under the cap?

Kori Ellis

03-02-2007, 07:19 PM

So basically, if I do a forum search I won't find any TimVP Holt bashings? If that's true I will apologize lmao.

You are confused. timvp bashes Holt for not doing what he thinks he should do - spend money to build a contender. What you are advocating in this thread (trading, etc) is the same thing that timvp has been saying they should do. Starting this thread made you in agreement with him. The only difference is you think that they will do it and he thinks they should do it.

whottt

03-02-2007, 07:23 PM

Explain to me how it's easy to get under the cap by more the MLE.Don't pick up the obvious contracts...if Finley and Oberto opt out...then do a trade with Charlotte either something for Wallace or just a straight up trade of veterans and picks for capspace and future picks.

Do a deal with Chicago...say Mahinimi or Scola and Barry for either one of their SF's or just a straight trade for cap space.

I am right that two of the teams most under the cap will be Chicago and Charlotte right?

Two teams with some nice SF talent...and some cap space...and trading relations with the Spurs.

And even if they can only free up more than the MLE, that still gives them more leverage that most teams this offseason for straight out signing players...they already have shown the know how to manipulate roster slots to their advantage.

whottt

03-02-2007, 07:27 PM

What does Holt bashing have to do with the Spurs getting under the cap this summer? You insist that the Spurs are going to have "substantial cap space". That has nothing to do with Holt.

Will you apologize when the Spurs don't even attempt to get under the cap?

I'll aplogize if they do nothing of note. They are obviously going to do something.

Dalhoop

03-02-2007, 07:39 PM

whottt

03-02-2007, 07:44 PM

Just asking a question ... Not meaning anything by it.

Has Holt brought up this '08 plan? I ask because it is standard practice to reduce salary before selling a team. I have seen what the Spurs have in store for '08 as far as salery goes .... its great for them ... But still ...

Can someone answer the question without bashing the Mavs fan?

Is this a worry or not? Could he be thinking of putting the team on the market?

I don't think he's selling the team. But if he was the primary value in the Spurs lies in it's status as a championship contender...so anything that hurts those chances would probably hurt his ability to sell the team.

Dalhoop

03-02-2007, 07:48 PM

I don't think he's selling the team. But if he was the primary value in the Spurs lies in it's status as a championship contender...so anything that hurts those chances would probably hurt his ability to sell the team.

Thats all I wanted to know ... What the Spurs have in '08 is the best team at the lowest salary with lots of "flexability" .... very valuable .... and cost effective. It would be the perfict time to sell.

Marcus Bryant

03-02-2007, 08:19 PM

I might be owned by Alcohol tonight. That's about it.

The only way the Spurs end up with a decent 3 man is via trade and, of course, they have nothing to trade.

Qed.

ShoogarBear

03-02-2007, 08:30 PM

Just asking a question ... Not meaning anything by it.

Has Holt brought up this '08 plan? I ask because it is standard practice to reduce salary before selling a team. I have seen what the Spurs have in store for '08 as far as salery goes .... its great for them ... But still ...

Can someone answer the question without bashing the Mavs fan?

Is this a worry or not? Could he be thinking of putting the team on the market?Holt has never indicated that he was thinking about selling the team, but several of us have pointed out that keeping the commitments down maximizes the book value of the team, and may be a prelude to such a move.

ChumpDumper

03-02-2007, 08:38 PM

But in reality Bowen and Horry's partial guarantee amounts would count, right?Right that's why I said my figure wasn't counting them.
As well as a certain amount counts against the cap for each open roster spot to a point.I ballparked those in the $44 million
So, really they'd still be around $50M, correct?It all depends on how much the partial guarantees are, but anywhere between $45 and $50 million is acceptable in whottt's fantasy.

ChumpDumper

03-02-2007, 08:45 PM

Explain this...

"no amount of guranteed salary would count for any of the players you mentioned"If any of the playters waived had a partially guaranteed deal, the Spurs would have to pay the guaranteed money and it would count against the cap -- unless some other team picked up the contract.
If they opt out with Bruce does that mean they can't resign him?Signing him for anything above the minimum would eat into the cap space.
Who else would we want back?If Horry is gone, re-signing Bonner becomes critical -- and he counts quite a bit over his current salay against the cap until he's re-signed.

T Park

03-02-2007, 09:01 PM

Holt has never indicated that he was thinking about selling the team, but several of us have pointed out that keeping the commitments down maximizes the book value of the team, and may be a prelude to such a move.

So you pretty much admitted, you've pulled that out of your ass.

timvp

07-26-2007, 05:06 PM

whottt

07-26-2007, 05:18 PM

Bump.

I accidentally stumbled across this thread in a forum search. whottt's takes in this thread are legendary. That cap space due to the secret opt out in Barry's contract sure has been nice this summer :rollin

It appears that timvp was probably wrong about The 2008 Plan (although the Spurs could still maneuver to get under the salary cap next summer). The bad news is that whatever plan the Spurs are on looks even worse than The 2008 Plan. At least The 2008 Plan included an attempt to add a 4th star in the summer of 2008.

Currently, The Stay Under The Luxury Tax Threshold By All Means Necessary Plan looks pretty ugly. It's the same as The 2008 Plan without the financial windfall next summer.

Hey...you aren't out of the woods yet...if the Spurs do a trade to bring in a key player the owning still counts.

It's not over yet...no pwnt pre-empting at ST please...wait until it's done.

If the Spurs make a move to bring in a key SF(even by S%T) you are still owned. No ifs ands or butts.

If the Spurs roster stays the same and the Spurs don't do anything signifigant...I get owned.

whottt

07-26-2007, 05:22 PM

This is not a reverse jinx or fucking around thread btw...I am dead serious.

The motivation for this thread lies in my sincere belief that there ain no fucking way the Spurs would be stupid enough to attempt a repeat without adding a quality SF capable of defending the bigger sf's. Simple really...if they do you get owned and are forced to dine on crow as well as your own cynicism. And the schitzy one will join you for that dinner...

Keep in mind...FO moves are not my arena of expertise...so an owning by me in this category would be equivalent to you realizing a player is/or isn't a choker...IOW, a major owning...like Ichiro leading the league in HR.

timvp

07-26-2007, 05:27 PM

So if the Spurs sign someone other than Udoka timvp gets owned? If not, you get owned?

timvp

07-26-2007, 05:30 PM

My favorite parts of this thread are whottt throwing Bowen, Horry and Oberto under the bus before the playoffs even started. He also predicted Bonner wouldn't re-sign.

Not to mention this gem:

Elson and Butler were 2 verifiable RFA steals for basically a MLE...

Butler a verifiable steal? Haven't you been bashing him ever since the Scola thread and calling him a fat, mumbling bust?

ShoogarBear

07-26-2007, 05:35 PM

Actually, I have to give whottt props for being consistent in his support of whatever the F.O. does.

And I have to give myself props for this:

:worthy: 2007 MASTER PLAN
^
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whottt

Johnny_Blaze_47

07-26-2007, 05:35 PM

whottt's been smoking too much of that shit with the Mookie Crew.

Typhoon

07-26-2007, 06:50 PM

Whottt got fucking owned

whottt

07-26-2007, 07:05 PM

Anyone that can read this thread can see I never got owned...no matter how much timvp sidetracked the issue...

Tried to make it about getting under the salary cap...etc.

Now he's trying to make it seem signifigant that I liked Butler at the time of this thread but am not that high on him...

Forgetting the training camp he just had where he showd both his offensive skill set...and complete lack of anything else.

TimVP and MB claimed the Spurs would do nothing this summer and that everything was about 2008...if that holds true TimVP and MB's second hand GhostWriter rehashes will hold some water...if not, they'll be exposed for having some lame and cynical takes(in addition to the second hand take it already is).

Cant_Be_Faded

07-26-2007, 07:08 PM

Might this mark the equivalent of a battle of artemesion in the whotttttimvp wars of summer 2007?

exstatic

07-26-2007, 07:12 PM

whott go PZWN3D so bad, I'm surprised he's not claiming this thread is covered by executive privilege, and thus not subject to bumping.

Cant_Be_Faded

07-26-2007, 07:16 PM

whottt

07-26-2007, 07:21 PM

whott go PZWN3D so bad, I'm surprised he's not claiming this thread is covered by executive privilege, and thus not subject to bumping.

Umm...I've had this thread favorited since the day I made it...

You wish I got owned. Just like you wish I said Coyote > Drob...must be nice to make up fantasies and claim ownership.

timvp

07-26-2007, 07:27 PM

Anyone that can read this thread can see I never got owned...no matter how much timvp sidetracked the issue...Yeah, anyone except for everyone who has read the thread so far.

Tried to make it about getting under the salary cap...etc.

Do you not see what you posted?

"I still say that Barry has a team option on the final year of his contract. I'm not sure about Horry...but they also hold a team option on Bowen, and Finley and Oberto have player options they are likely to opt out of. You are talking substantial cap space." -- whottt

You claimed salary cap space, not me. In addition to that, you threw Bowen, Horry and Oberto under the bus before the playoffs.

Now he's trying to make it seem signifigant that I liked Butler at the time of this thread but am not that high on him...You called him a steal a couple months ago. The Spurs make a trade and you change you opinion of him.

Forgetting the training camp he just had where he showd both his offensive skill set...and complete lack of anything else.Training camp is in October.

TimVP and MB claimed the Spurs would do nothing this summer and that everything was about 2008The Spurs have done nothing this summer other than re-signing their own players while throwing away some of their assets. How is my take that the Spurs would do nothing wrong?

And yes, next summer will be the summer they try to add a significant piece to the puzzle. This summer we are hoping for Udoka. I like Udoka and all but he's far from the major splash you predicted.

...if that holds true TimVP and MB's second hand GhostWriter rehashes will hold some water...if not, they'll be exposed for having some lame and cynical takes(in addition to the second hand take it already is).I'm not sure what your obsession is with GhostWriter is all about. You think he invented questioning the Spurs front office?

I've questioned and complimented the Spurs front office before GhostWriter found the internet. GhostWriter's shtick was to question every move the Spurs ever did while clamoring for "ballers" the Spurs had no means of acquiring. I know you are a relative newbie but anyone who has been here a long time knows that GW didn't invent thinking the Spurs made a bad move.

SequSpur

07-26-2007, 07:30 PM

Gay forum.

timvp

07-26-2007, 07:33 PM

timvp is risking it big, Toomer Benvindiisti style. If this comes back to bite him in the arse, he'll have owned himself back to the stone age. Perhaps it is the timvp that is using the reverse mojo ploy....It'd be pretty tough for this to turn around and bite me. The Spurs didn't have any salary cap room. Brent Barry didn't have the team option on his contract whottt predicted. whottt will try to salvage the players he threw under the bus, but it's pretty late for that.

If the Spurs trade an expiring contract for a player with multiple years left, I'm not sure how that would be considered ownage since that's what I've been begging the Spurs to do since 2001.

Cant_Be_Faded

07-26-2007, 07:39 PM

Timvp is a master of spurstalk rhetoric.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:01 PM

If Spurs sign Udoka and move Barry...or if they just sign Udoka...

Timvp gets owned. Whether he likes it or not...

He and MB said it was all about next season and the Spurs wouldn't be doing anything signifigant to upgrade the team this offseason...

If they do it, timvp gets owned.

They tried to make it about the cap, but as anyone that can read can plainly see...I said they'd do it by trade, by not picking up options, or by not having options picked up, or just by plain old doing...the point was not how would they do it...the point was that they'd do it.

I can't believe anyone is saying I got owned...other than timvp, who no doubt senses the Spurs are about to do something substantial and is trying to get off the hook.

It doesn't matter if I liked Butler or not at the time...it doesn't matter if I typed training camp when I meant summer league, it doesn't matter if I thought Barry had an opt out clause, Oberto, Bowen, Horry etc...it doesn't matter if I wasn't sold on the teams title chances at the time of this article...

All that matters, is that TimVP and MB talked shit all season long about 08 08 08....and they are going to get owned on it.

Period.

Mr. Body

07-26-2007, 08:03 PM

If Spurs sign Udoka and move Barry...or if they just sign Udoka...

Timvp gets owned. Whether he likes it or not...

:wtf

Udoka isn't a long SF.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:06 PM

:wtf

Udoka isn't a long SF.

He's a substantial defensive addition...

You just aren't getting the point of this thread...the point of this thread is that TimVP and Marcus Bryant claimed all year long the Spurs weren't goin to do much this offseason except stand pat and set things up for 08.

That is the point...if the Spurs get under enough to add someone that is an upgrade over this years team...they lose. It's that simple...they already shed some salary where they can add an upgrade without changing the payroll much, so I'd say TimVP and MB have already been outsmarted...unless the roster stands pat as it is right now, in which case I am owned. And that's the only way.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:08 PM

ShoogarBear

07-26-2007, 08:11 PM

timvp

07-26-2007, 08:18 PM

If Spurs sign Udoka and move Barry...or if they just sign Udoka...

Timvp gets owned. Whether he likes it or not...:lmao

I'd get owned if the Spurs signed Udoka? You consider Udoka the huge splash you predicted with this thread? I'm the one who wanted Udoka when the summer started because he was a realistic addition ... even if The 2008 Plan was still intact.

The Spurs sign the one player who timvp highlighted as the summer started and timvp would get owned. Classic.

He and MB said it was all about next season and the Spurs wouldn't be doing anything signifigant to upgrade the team this offseason...

If they do it, timvp gets owned. Keeping the team exactly the same and adding Udoka isn't a significant upgrade.

Are you seriously trying to say that?

They tried to make it about the cap, but as anyone that can read can plainly see...I said they'd do it by trade, by not picking up options, or by not having options picked up, or just by plain old doing...the point was not how would they do it...the point was that they'd do it. Go back and re-read the first couple pages of the thread where you kept insisting the Spurs would have salary cap space.

I can't believe anyone is saying I got owned...other than timvp, who no doubt senses the Spurs are about to do something substantial and is trying to get off the hook. WTF:lol

Why would I bump this thread if I thought I was about to get owned? You make no sense.

And for the record, I had forgotten all about this thread. I accidentally found it while I was looking for something else. If I would have remembered it existed, I would have bumped it during the Scola fiasco.

It doesn't matter if I liked Butler or not at the timeYou did.

...it doesn't matter if I typed training camp when I meant summer leagueNot sure what you meant.

, it doesn't matter if I thought Barry had an opt out clause,So whottt being absolutely wrong doesn't matter at all? Amazing.

Oberto, Bowen, Horry etcYou sure tried to move swiftly over that issue. You threw those three players under the bus before the playoffs. Admit something for once.

...it doesn't matter if I wasn't sold on the teams title chances at the time of this article...You were wrong about that also. Thanks for reminding me.

All that matters, is that TimVP and MB talked shit all season long about 08 08 08....and they are going to get owned on it. So the Spurs re-signing their own free agents while trading away a couple of their assets for nothing makes my take wrong that in this summer they'd probably do nothing?

Even if the Spurs sign Udoka, that's who I thought they'd sign with The 2008 Plan in full effect. Go research who brought up his name first this summer as a player the Spurs should target. He's a cheap, realistic option that would fit on the team. He's a far cry from the big, huge significant splash you were talking about in this thread.

Period.You got owned on so many points and now you are clinging to the hope that the Spurs sign a player for half of the MLE that timvp pointed out first so that you can save some sort of face. That's freakin' classic.

You got owned on your changed view of Butler. You got owned on your throwing Bowen, Horry and Oberto under the bus before the playoffs started. You got owned when all along you gave the Spurs no chance to win a championship. You got owned when you said Brent Barry's contract could be opted out on this summer. You got owned when you said that the Spurs would have salary cap space. You got owned when you predicted Cavs in 5.

You got owned on each of your takes in here. The best you can hope for is that you don't get totally owned on the take that the Spurs will do something this summer. You've already hopped off the "big, significant acquisition" bandwagon. Now you are just hoping for anything so that you don't get 100% owned.

If the Spurs signed Udoka, your record in this thread might improve to 0-20-1.

timvp

07-26-2007, 08:20 PM

He's a substantial defensive addition...

You just aren't getting the point of this thread...the point of this thread is that TimVP and Marcus Bryant claimed all year long the Spurs weren't goin to do much this offseason except stand pat and set things up for 08.

That is the point...if the Spurs get under enough to add someone that is an upgrade over this years team...they lose. It's that simple...they already shed some salary where they can add an upgrade without changing the payroll much, so I'd say TimVP and MB have already been outsmarted...unless the roster stands pat as it is right now, in which case I am owned. And that's the only way.:lmao

You don't even understand how the CBA works. The Spurs had the MLE no matter what they did. They didn't do anything special to be able to land Udoka.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:20 PM

To be fair, this whole discussion started at a time when only the most blinded homer believed another title was on the way.

If the Spurs hadn't won the championship and were doing what they are doing now, I think even whottt would be pretty pissed.

I didn't pick against the Spurs because of the talent on the team...

I picked against them because Pop fucking wouldn't stop playing $#%$#W%$%W small ball.

Luckily he went away from small ball, and Michael Finley as the Starting Center just in time...

I was fairly happy with last offseason, and was thrilled after game 1 of this year...put small ball all season long put me in a negative frame of mind...

And make no mistake about it...had we played small ball in the playoffs to the extent we did against Dallas last year...there would be no championship.

I have found the only way to get Pop to do what I want, is to bet against him...in such a way that I lose the bet, but I still win the war.

Case in point on the minutes debate with Brent Barry in 05...
This year it was small ball.

Other than that..the only other Spurs reg that owns me is Bruce Bowen...I have been trying to get Bruce out of the starting lineup since 03...

Not because I don't like him...but becuse he's damn old and skinny, and has been for a long time, yet he keeps becoming more and more of a freak as every year goes by. Bruce was the Finals MVP IMO...and he played arguably his best basketball as a Spur in the finals and most of these playoffs...

Hats off to Bruce...however, he's still old and skinny and I'd still like to have someone else in the rotation.

Buddy Holly

07-26-2007, 08:22 PM

You wish I got owned. Just like you wish I said Coyote > Drob...must be nice to make up fantasies and claim ownership.

You did say that. I was in the fucking chat room when your said that weak shit. You said the Coyote had a bigger impact on Spurs fans and the Spurs in general than David Robinson. How you can deny it, is just plain insane. You got heated and lept defended that take even when many of us were bashing you for it.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:23 PM

:lmao

You don't even understand how the CBA works. The Spurs had the MLE no matter what they did. They didn't do anything special to be able to land Udoka.

You guys claimed they wouldn't be using it...they wouldn't be doing anything...

And in fact, you might still turn out to be right...

If they go into the season with the Roster as it is currently constructed only adding Mahinmi, Marcus Williams and perhaps someone like CJ Watson...

You'll be right, and I'll be as pissed as you and MB are...

Until that happens though...you can't claim any kind of scoreboard and are still on the hook for being owned...

And actually...it'll be nice to take Chump and exs down with you.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:25 PM

You did say that. I was in the fucking chat room when your said that weak shit. You said the Coyote had a bigger impact on Spurs fans and the Spurs in general than David Robinson. How you can deny it, is just plain insane. You got heated and lept defended that take even when many of us were bashing you for it.

Idiot...you don't know shit.you were not even posting on this board at the time it occurred...you had your tongue up Dusty's ass 24/7 and hated this board at that time...

So STFU and don't say you were here for shit you weren't here for...

It was the title of a thread...started by exs, long long time ago...a misleading title.

So just shut the fuck up...you liar.

You proven liar.

Kori Ellis

07-26-2007, 08:25 PM

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:27 PM

The funniest part of this thread is that Whottt thinks that 6'5 Udoka is a substantial addition at small forward. Be honest - how many people in this thread even knew anything about Udoka's game before it was reported that the Spurs were looking at him? And I don't mean that you just read LJ's post about him early in the offseason - I mean that you really knew what he was about and thought he'd be a substantial addition.

I guess we all have our different definitions of substantial though. :lol

I did...I picked him up from TimVP in the Jason Kidd trade in the D-League and had him on my D-League Team for the rest of the season.

Nice try...but he is an addition to the roster...a nice one. I don't care how tall he is...if the Spurs dumped some salary and are able to add him without adding much additional payroll...they(TimVP and MB) still get owned....

timvp

07-26-2007, 08:28 PM

You know timvp used to have some decent takes...but now all he does is stand around ripping hte players, FO and team all season long, but he never picks against them...so he's the ultimate hedger. And MB has always been schitzy...he goes into a rage if anyone rips the Spurs, besides him...

Lame.

TimVp used to go out on a limb...but now he's scared...he's the ultimate hedger.:jack

Ripping the players? Links? You are the one who threw half the team under the bus in this thread. Most of my posts on the forum are defending the players in some fashion. The only player I bashed last summer and this season consistently was Elson. Outside of the first game fluke which fooled me, I've called him crap and he is crap. What other players have I ripped?

Ripping the front office? I was the biggest supporter of the Rasho/Bonner trade on the forum. I thought Splitter was a good pick. I thought the Ely trade was a good one. I thought signing White was a good move. I've supported way more moves than I've ripped them for over the last couple years.

I've ripped them for signing Melvin Sanders repeatedly, which I was 100% right about. I ripped them for the Scola trade which I'll end up being right about. I ripped them for Elson which I'll end up being right about. What else have I ripped them on?

And I don't go out on limbs? I invented the Elson limb. I said Devin would be a good signing for the minimum and I was right. I've gone out on more limbs than anyone else on this forum. Mercer to be waived, Heal to be waived, 10-10 start, Rasho signing sucks, Melvin Sanders sucks, Jason Hart sucks, etc. How much more do you want from me?

You think you should get some bonus points for picking against the Spurs? You picked Cavs in 5 and got owned.

Oh but let's remember how that wasn't really your pick, that was you hedging errrrr reverse jinxing the Spurs to victory.

:jack

Kori Ellis

07-26-2007, 08:30 PM

I did...I picked him up from TimVP in the Jason Kidd trade in the D-League and had him on my D-League Team for the rest of the season.

Nice try...but he is an addition to the roster...a nice one. I don't care how tall he is...if the Spurs dumped some salary and are able to add him without adding much additional payroll...they still get owned.

Substantial addition is a guy who is going to get minutes and contribute. If Udoka is playing behind Manu/Bowen/Finley/Barry - then he wouldn't be substantial. If someone gets traded, then I guess he could get some minutes. But please, he's not the type of player you were talking about in the start of this thread.

Buddy Holly

07-26-2007, 08:31 PM

Idiot...you don't know shit.you were not even posting on this board at the time it occurred...you had your tongue up Dusty's ass 24/7 and hated this board at that time...

First off, you admit you say it because you're saying I wasn't in the chat during that time. HAHA. Second idiot, I was posting here at the time, I wasn't Buddy Holly and wouldn't be for a couple of years after this site was even started.

I started posting here a couple of month maybe less after Kori and LJ left and started Full Sport Press. When it was an EZBoard forum. I was under a different name. But again, your lame ass did say that lame shit with that lame name.

So STFU and don't say you were here for shit you weren't here for...

But I was, so what ya gonna do?

You proven liar.

Better than a proven pussy who gets owned every other day both on the internet and in real life, which is what you are.

When you die, everyone will be wearing this to your funeral.

http://www.noisebot.com/images/pwnd-red.gif

timvp

07-26-2007, 08:35 PM

I did...I picked him up from TimVP in the Jason Kidd trade in the D-League and had him on my D-League Team for the rest of the season. So you jumped on the Udoka bandwagon because of timvp ... just at an earlier date than everyone else.

Congrats.

Nice try...but he is an addition to the roster...a nice one.Exactly. Thus the reason I was pimping him when I still believed in The 2008 Plan. I saw him as cheap enough to come aboard without sacrificing too much in 2008. And that's what he'd be.

I don't care how tall he is...if the Spurs dumped some salary and are able to add him without adding much additional payroll...they(TimVP and MB) still get owned....How would I get owned if the Spurs sign the guy I was pimping when I thought The 2008 Plan still existed? For the 10th time.

Answer that question.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:36 PM

timvp

07-26-2007, 08:37 PM

Now people are coming out of the woodworks to own whottt.

whotttt to meltdown in 3 .... 2 .....

timvp

07-26-2007, 08:39 PM

whottt
Last Activity: Today 08:37 PM
Searching Forums @ 08:37 PM

This is going to be good :hungry:

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:40 PM

So you jumped on the Udoka bandwagon because of timvp ... just at an earlier date than everyone else.

Congrats.

Yes, in fact I did it while you were stuill grumbling about what a miserable offseason this was going to be.

Exactly. Thus the reason I was pimping him when I still believed in The 2008 Plan. I saw him as cheap enough to come aboard without sacrificing too much in 2008. And that's what he'd be.

Oh wait...so let me get this straight...if the Spurs upgrade the team but manage to do it cheaply you get off the hook?

You miss the entire point of this thread...not to mention last offseason...Reggie.

How would I get owned if the Spurs sign the guy I was pimping when I thought The 2008 Plan still existed? For the 10th time.

Answer that question.

Hey...you've pimped a lot of players...that doesn't mean you thought the Spurs were going to add them this offseason...

No excuse...

Tell me one thing...were you happy with last offseason?

Buddy Holly

07-26-2007, 08:41 PM

Just shut up Buddy...you weren't here, and you didn't have a fucking clue it came from a thread exstatic started. It had nothing to do with chat you lying piece of trash. And I remember very well you came here...because the board got a little shitter and stupider the day you arrived...poll and own that...kid.

Retard, you can ask Kori and LJ, I was posting here then. I was posting here almost as soon as they started this forum. I could care less about proving jack shit to a lame ass pussy like you.

I unfortanently was in the chat, and if I remember correctly, it was I believe either a draft night chat or some other chat that took place during the summer.

You went on and on about the coyote having a bigger impact on the city and the Spurs in general than DAVID ROBINSON did. Don't fucking lie, own up to that shit.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:41 PM

This is going to be good :hungry:

Eh...it would have gotten good if not for the sixty second delay on searches.

Buddy Holly

07-26-2007, 08:42 PM

This is going to be good :hungry:

I doubt he finds his balls.

whottt

07-26-2007, 08:44 PM

Retard, you can ask Kori and LJ, I was posting here then. I was posting here almost as soon as they started this forum. I could care less about proving jack shit to a lame ass pussy like you.

I unfortanently was in the chat, and if I remember correctly, it was I believe either a draft night chat or some other chat that took place during the summer.

You're a liar...ask exstatic...he started the thread...so you were lying about hearing it...and you lying about being here when it happened.

You are, a liar.

You went on and on about the coyote having a bigger impact on the city and the Spurs in general than DAVID ROBINSON did. Don't fucking lie, own up to that shit.

I did no such thing at any time, ever.

IF you'd been here you could at least claim illiteracy like exs...

Buddy Holly

07-26-2007, 08:49 PM

You're a liar...ask exstatic...he started the thread...so you were lying about hearing it...and you lying about being here when it happened.

You are, a liar.

It was a thread, post the link to it.

I did no such thing at any time, ever.

Post the thread that Exstatic started.

timvp

07-26-2007, 08:51 PM

Yes, in fact I did it while you were stuill grumbling about what a miserable offseason this was going to be. Link? I didn't like the Scola trade. That doesn't mean I gave up on the whole offseason.

Oh wait...so let me get this straight...if the Spurs upgrade the team but manage to do it cheaply you get off the hook? Yes because your main point in this thread was the Spurs were going to make a big splash this summer. Signing a guy who is currently flying under the radar for peanuts isn't the big splash you were talking about.

You miss the entire point of this thread...not to mention last offseasonThe point of this thread was you said the Spurs were going to do something big. Signing the bargain bin player timvp located ten months ago isn't "something big".

...Reggie. You don't want me to start talking about your coyote takes . . .

Hey...you've pimped a lot of players...that doesn't mean you thought the Spurs were going to add them this offseason...

No excuse...

This was my take before the free agent period even started:
As far as unrestricted free agents, the two I like most for the Spurs are James Posey and Ime Udoka. Posey for a starting salary at around $3M would be nice. However, he probably gets more.

Udoka would be an absolutely perfect Bowen replacement ... except for the fact that he's 6-foot-5. Udoka can defend, rebound a little bit, decent pass, doesn't turn the ball over and is a +40% three point shooter. He's had the same type of career that Bowen had before joining the Spurs and he's the same age that Bowen was when the Spurs signed him.

Portland has said they want him back but after they drafted like 38 players, I'm not sure they have the room. If the Spurs could get him for a couple million, he'd be a pretty decent signing. His only drawback is his height, but if he were 6-foot-7 he'd cost two or three times as much.

Another thing about Udoka is he shoots most of his shots from the corner threes just like Bowen ... and Udoka hit those shots at a 42% clip this past season.

Udoka was the one player I targeted this offseason in free agency.

Tell me one thing...were you happy with last offseason?Other than the signing of Elson, I thought all their other moves were good moves. I loved the Rasho/Bonner trade. I thought Vaughn was an excellent signing. I thought Butler was a good prospect. I liked the James White signing.

TheWriter

07-26-2007, 08:56 PM

ask exstatic...he started the thread

and you lying about being here when it happened.

Let's see....

TheWriter
Join Date: 07-02-2003

Exstatic
Join Date: 03-05-2003

FullSportPress.com
Created on: 03-Mar-03

My first screen name here was writernum934 when Kori and LJ were on the EZBoard account. When they switched we all got chances to keep our original names or switch and keep our original post count. I changed my name to TheWriter.

How many damn times are you going to get PWND in this thread?

timvp

07-26-2007, 08:56 PM

You went on and on about the coyote having a bigger impact on the city and the Spurs in general than DAVID ROBINSON did. Don't fucking lie, own up to that shit.

I did no such thing at any time, ever.

Tim Derk gave more to the Spurs organization from a personal standpoint than any player in Spurs history

:guin

TheWriter

07-26-2007, 08:59 PM

:guin

And that wasn't even the worst of it. In the chat it was the COYOTE who did more for the city and the team than DAVID ROBINSON.

Of course it NEVER happened... :rolleyes

whottt

07-26-2007, 09:01 PM

It was a thread, post the link to it.

Um...threads that old aren't on this forum anymore...

If you'd been here for some of the old ones, you'd know that too.

However, you were busy sucking dusty's ass at that time...

And I know you knew about this site...in fact, you were the one trashing it on SpursReport....that doesn't mean you were...and you obviously weren't here when that happened.

Post the thread that Exstatic started.

Go suck Dusty's ass...go suck some admin's ass somewhere, it's what you do best.

whottt

07-26-2007, 09:05 PM

:guin

Um....show me where I said Coyote did more for the Spurs and the city of San Antonio than David Robinson...

Thanks...

Oh..and read a bible some time...you'll get it then.

whottt

07-26-2007, 09:06 PM

And that wasn't even the worst of it. In the chat it was the COYOTE who did more for the city and the team than DAVID ROBINSON.

Of course it NEVER happened... :rolleyes

Becuase I never said it...you fucking liar...or can't you read the fucking quote.

TheWriter

07-26-2007, 09:08 PM

Becuase I never said it...you fucking liar...or can't you read the fucking quote.

Ok, deny deny deny.

Whether that shit started in a thread or a chat, you're ass was in a chatroom saying that shit. Sorry, you were. I'll wait for your curse word filled post.

timvp

07-26-2007, 09:08 PM

Um....show me where I said Coyote did more for the Spurs and the city of San Antonio than David Robinson...

Thanks...Like you said, those threads are gone. We'll never know what you did or did not say. And I don't really care because you've been served enough ownage for one thread.

And that above post I wasn't agreeing with either you or BH. I was just posting what I found.

Oh..and read a bible some time...you'll get it then.Oh wow bible smack. This is a new avenue for you.

TheWriter

07-26-2007, 09:10 PM

Go suck Dusty's ass...go suck some admin's ass somewhere, it's what you do best.

Some one has a craving for man on man action. You not telling us something?

timvp

07-26-2007, 09:15 PM

How would I get owned if the Spurs sign the guy I was pimping when I thought The 2008 Plan still existed? For the 10th time.

Answer that question.

11th time.

whottt

07-26-2007, 09:15 PM

Ok, deny deny deny.

Whether that shit started in a thread or a chat, you're ass was in a chatroom saying that shit. Sorry, you were. I'll wait for your curse word filled post.

Ok...you're a lying little bitch piece of shit...and everyone knows it.

TheWriter

07-26-2007, 09:17 PM

Ok...you're a lying little bitch piece of shit...and everyone knows it.

Just like everyone knows your a little pussy. Did you find your balls on the search? Those 60 second delays are a bitch, huh?

timvp

07-26-2007, 09:18 PM

:jack

Ripping the players? Links? You are the one who threw half the team under the bus in this thread. Most of my posts on the forum are defending the players in some fashion. The only player I bashed last summer and this season consistently was Elson. Outside of the first game fluke which fooled me, I've called him crap and he is crap. What other players have I ripped?

Ripping the front office? I was the biggest supporter of the Rasho/Bonner trade on the forum. I thought Splitter was a good pick. I thought the Ely trade was a good one. I thought signing White was a good move. I've supported way more moves than I've ripped them for over the last couple years.

I've ripped them for signing Melvin Sanders repeatedly, which I was 100% right about. I ripped them for the Scola trade which I'll end up being right about. I ripped them for Elson which I'll end up being right about. What else have I ripped them on?

And I don't go out on limbs? I invented the Elson limb. I said Devin would be a good signing for the minimum and I was right. I've gone out on more limbs than anyone else on this forum. Mercer to be waived, Heal to be waived, 10-10 start, Rasho signing sucks, Melvin Sanders sucks, Jason Hart sucks, etc. How much more do you want from me?

You think you should get some bonus points for picking against the Spurs? You picked Cavs in 5 and got owned.

Oh but let's remember how that wasn't really your pick, that was you hedging errrrr reverse jinxing the Spurs to victory.

:jack

I'd also like to bump this to find out what players I've been ripping. I'd also like to know how you figure I rip the front office more than I praise it.

TheWriter

07-26-2007, 09:20 PM

He doesn't have any proof, he did the damn search, and the result was a big fat nothing. He's too busy keeping track of wrasslers.

timvp

07-26-2007, 09:27 PM

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/tumbleweed.jpg

TheWriter

07-26-2007, 09:31 PM

http://www.colorado.edu/journals/standards/V5N2/ESSAYS/IMAGES_2/silence.GIF

whottt

07-26-2007, 09:35 PM

Like you said, those threads are gone. We'll never know what you did or did not say.

Yet that doesn't stop you from saying Coyote > Drob in arguments does it...

Link?

Funny...everyone says that to me...and no one knows why...

And I don't really care because you've been served enough ownage for one thread.

LOL!

And that above post I wasn't agreeing with either you or BH. I was just posting what I found.

Thanks...and you know what's funny....even the admin suck ass Buddy seems to understand that quote doesn't mean the Coyote did more...

So he's forced to rely on his lies to justify the fact that he wasn't here...

Hilarious...

Kindergarten Cop

07-26-2007, 09:36 PM

:corn:

whottt

07-26-2007, 09:39 PM

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/tumbleweed.jpg

LMAO...you guys think I was serching for Udoka stuff or something...

I was searching for the Coyote Drob thread...

Oh..timvp, you said Udoka sucks in chat and the Spurs wouldn't do anything in chat...

Link that, Buddy.

Enough ownership for this thread I guess...

whottt

07-26-2007, 09:41 PM

Hmmm searching Udoka the only thing of interst I've found yet is that it was Chump that brought him to your attention...

timvp

07-26-2007, 09:43 PM

Yet that doesn't stop you from saying Coyote > Drob in arguments does it...

Link?

Funny...everyone says that to me...and no one knows why...

Coyote > Drob

LOL!
Yeah, no kidding. It has been pretty funny :rollin

Thanks...and you know what's funny....even the admin suck ass Buddy seems to understand that quote doesn't mean the Coyote did more...

So he's forced to rely on his lies to justify the fact that he wasn't here...

Hilarious...

Just about as hilarious as you dodging my questions for the 11th time.

timvp

07-26-2007, 09:44 PM

LMAO...you guys think I was serching for Udoka stuff or something...

I was searching for the Coyote Drob thread...

Oh..timvp, you said Udoka sucks in chat and the Spurs wouldn't do anything in chat...

Link that, Buddy.

Enough ownership for this thread I guess...

Meltdown has started . . .

timvp

07-26-2007, 09:48 PM

Hmmm searching Udoka the only thing of interst I've found yet is that it was Chump that brought him to your attention...:lmao

ChumpDumper listing his name back in 2005 or whatever with 10-day contract candidates isn't the same thing as saying you want the Spurs to sign him this summer.

But keep dodging.

whottt

07-26-2007, 09:57 PM

Meltdown has started . . .

Um...what am I supposed to do...you continually claim scoreboard for Bonner and Elson...even though, Bonner's didn't do shit in the post season and Elson got regular minutes...

Exactly how is that any kind of ownership?

Additionally, saying the Spurs would get Udoka...whether you said it or not, doesn't change the fact that you said the Spurs were not going to do much this offseason...

That's a hedge plain and simple...just becuase you said 2 different things doesn't mean you have a consisten POV.

It's like me saying Cavs in 5 but throwing a, if Bowen keeps LeBron in the realm of mortals Spurs will sweep, qualifier out there...

The difference is...my qualifier was dead on accurate.

Fact...the Spurs have been rumored to be interested in Udoka before any payroll trimming trades were done, before White was waived...

That seems to indicate they were going to add something, whether the trades went through or not...

In contrast to you and MB's claims they wouldn't do anything becuase they'd be too worried about the tax.

Secondly...

I want you to give me a link that they didn't try and aquire a better SF...

Who's better than Udoka that they had the money to sign? Or that they could have gotten in trade?

That's what you need to prove...otherwise, it's just undeserved FO bashing. A FO that consistently outthinks and outmanuevers all the experts on this board....Reggie.

And please do link to the Coyote>Drob stuff in retaliation for Reggie...it'd be nice for you to at least understand why you are saying it...

conversekid

07-26-2007, 10:00 PM

timvp 100 whott 0

whottt

07-26-2007, 10:05 PM

:lmao

ChumpDumper listing his name back in 2005 or whatever with 10-day contract candidates isn't the same thing as saying you want the Spurs to sign him this summer.

But keep dodging.

I said the Spurs would upgrade inspite of what you guys were saying about them dodging the tax...

All that has to happen for you to be right is for them to stand pat...

Why are you so worried that isn't going to happen? Because you said all year the tax would be the priority? And I said the Spurs FO would outmanuever you and MB?

Like they did last season...

<insert part where TimVP claims vindication on Bonner and Elson, even though Bonner did less than Rasho in the post season and Elson didn't........

And we'll never know how much of an impact Elson would have had against the Mavs...

timvp

07-26-2007, 10:29 PM

Um...what am I supposed to do...you continually claim scoreboard for Bonner and Elson...even though, Bonner's didn't do shit in the post season and Elson got regular minutes...Link to where I claimed scoreboard over you regarding Elson and Bonner in this thread?

Stop making things up.

Exactly how is that any kind of ownership? Are you trying to own yourself? Who is owning you on those points? This is what I said:

You got owned on your changed view of Butler. You got owned on your throwing Bowen, Horry and Oberto under the bus before the playoffs started. You got owned when all along you gave the Spurs no chance to win a championship. You got owned when you said Brent Barry's contract could be opted out on this summer. You got owned when you said that the Spurs would have salary cap space. You got owned when you predicted Cavs in 5.

Do you see any mention of Bonner or Elson in there? You must be getting owned by your inner conscious.

Additionally, saying the Spurs would get Udoka...whether you said it or not, doesn't change the fact that you said the Spurs were not going to do much this offseason...

That's a hedge plain and simple...just becuase you said 2 different things doesn't mean you have a consisten POV. For the millionth time, Udoka = "not doing much".

It's the same damn take. Signing a guy for less than half the MLE is "not doing much". What is making you not understand this?

It's like me saying Cavs in 5 but throwing a, if Bowen keeps LeBron in the realm of mortals Spurs will sweep, qualifier out there...

The difference is...my qualifier was dead on accurate.
So you are an admitted hedger.

Congrats.

Fact...the Spurs have been rumored to be interested in Udoka before any payroll trimming trades were done, before White was waived...
Fact #2. timvp wanted the Spurs to go after Udoka before it was reported that the Spurs were going after Udoka.

Fact #3. timvp wanted the Spurs to go after Udoka to help preserve The 2008 Plan.

Signing Udoka would have fit into The 2008 Plan.

That seems to indicate they were going to add something, whether the trades went through or not...What indicates they are going to do something is that they have like three open roster spots. :lol

In contrast to you and MB's claims they wouldn't do anything becuase they'd be too worried about the tax.
Worried about the tax? Where did you pull that out of? This thread is about salary cap. Not the tax.

Secondly...

I want you to give me a link that they didn't try and aquire a better SF...

http://www.google.com

Who's better than Udoka that they had the money to sign? Or that they could have gotten in trade? Desmond Mason. Morris Peterson. Matt Barnes.

Need more?

That's what you need to prove...otherwise, it's just undeserved FO bashing. A FO that consistently outthinks and outmanuevers all the experts on this board....Reggie. You are an FO sucker. You think they can do no wrong.

Marcus Williams looks like a bust of a pick. They wasted years and years on Melvin Sanders. The Rasho signing cost them at least one championship. They are good but they make mistakes.

You can think that the FO is infallible. I think they are human.

I'll stick with my way of thinking, thanks.

Coyote>Drob

exstatic

07-26-2007, 10:29 PM

timvp served you a nice hot
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P'ZON3

timvp

07-26-2007, 10:35 PM

I said the Spurs would upgrade inspite of what you guys were saying about them dodging the tax...

All that has to happen for you to be right is for them to stand pat...
So for you to be wrong the Spurs would have to have brought back the exact same team?

Oh man, you're good at hedging.

And tax had nothing to do with this thread.

Why are you so worried that isn't going to happen? Because you said all year the tax would be the priority? And I said the Spurs FO would outmanuever you and MB? You said they'd make a big splash. Signing a bargain bin guy is not a big splash.

Like they did last season...They outmaneuvered me by signing Elson?

Okay.

<insert part where TimVP claims vindication on Bonner and Elson, even though Bonner did less than Rasho in the post season and Elson didn't........What would the Spurs ever have done without those one point and one rebound per game by the first player in Spurs championship history to get permanently benched during a playoff run?

And we'll never know how much of an impact Elson would have had against the Mavs...I think we got a pretty good idea by watching the other four series.

whottt

07-26-2007, 10:37 PM

How can timvp be owning me when he as much admits this thread is about the salary cap...and it's about upgrading the roster?

Nevermind...you can't read anyway.

Everyone has tried to make this thread about the Spurs getting under the cap...and thread has always been about the Spurs coming out of this offseason upgraded...by trade, by FA signing, by getting under the cap etc.

TimVP wants it to be about something else...but it isn't about something else.

And saying he wanted the Spurs to add Udoka doesn't get him out of being owned for saying they wouldn't do anything this offseason.

whottt

07-26-2007, 10:47 PM

Link to where I claimed scoreboard over you regarding Elson and Bonner in this thread?

Stop making things up.

You claim you were vindicated in ripping Elson and you've jocked Bonner from day 1...

Well, Elson played in the playoffs...Bonner warmed the bench.

Don't you see that?

Do you see any mention of Bonner or Elson in there? You must be getting owned by your inner conscious.

For the millionth time, Udoka = "not doing much".

So wait...you advocated the Spurs not doing much then? Is that what you are saying? Since Udoka = not doing much....and you advocated him?

It's the same damn take. Signing a guy for less than half the MLE is "not doing much". What is making you not understand this?

What part of, it upgrades the team don't you understand?

What part of....they had the offer to him for a long time...before they knew the extent of the cap space they'd have...allegedly...if you got a link proving otherwise please provide it.

So you are an admitted hedger.

Congrats.

LMAO...

So are you...Mr. I said sign Udoka do nothing.

Fact #3. timvp wanted the Spurs to go after Udoka to help preserve The 2008 Plan.

Signing Udoka would have fit into The 2008 Plan.

Fact...you never mentioned them dropping Butler and Scola as part of the 08 plan...

Fact...adding a multi year contract of any kind this offseason goes against the 08 plan as you presented it when being critical.

What indicates they are going to do something is that they have like three open roster spots. :lol

Hey...

Worried about the tax? Where did you pull that out of? This thread is about salary cap. Not the tax.

It's not about salary cap for the upteenth time...it's about the upgrading the team this offseason.

You are an FO sucker. You think they can do no wrong.

Mmm....I was pretty critical of them not signing Jack, going after Kidd etc...

But other than that, yeah I've been happy with them.

Hell, 2 of those years have been titles and the one that wasn't was the offseason everyone loved..signing Finley and NVE after winning a championship.

Marcus Williams looks like a bust of a pick. They wasted years and years on Melvin Sanders. The Rasho signing cost them at least one championship. They are good but they make mistakes.

I'll agree on all those points except Rasho...Pop didn't play Rasho in any post season except 04..

Ok so he got buttraped by Shaq...who didn't?

You can think that the FO is infallible. I think they are human.

I'll stick with my way of thinking, thanks.

The FO isn't infallible...but they consistently outsmart this board...and I don't see how any one can claim otherwise.

I just wait until I see who they get...you prejudged this offseason before it even happened...you are more worried about being over the cap and paying hte tax that actually seeing an upgraded team.

whottt

07-26-2007, 10:49 PM

Talk about hedging...

Fact #2. timvp wanted the Spurs to go after Udoka before it was reported that the Spurs were going after Udoka.

Fact...timvp TimVP probably wanted the Spurs to go after Dwayne Wade this offseason...that doesn't mean if they'd done a trade for him you'd be off the hook for the criticisms you have made all season long of the so called 2008 Master Plan and the Spurs FO for pursuing it.

You saying you wanted them to do something doesn't mean you weren't wrong about their intentions this offseason.

Nor does anything that has transpired yet...

In fact...they did do a major trade this offseason...

Whottt was right.

I never said the plan was to get under the cap...I said the plan was to move this offseason...not next...I said they would upgrade this offseason.

And how does signing Udoka to a multi year help the 2008 master plan more than not signing him?

whottt

07-26-2007, 10:52 PM

THe only thing that's been proven this offseason is that teams made stupid offers to some SF we might have been interested in...

I never said the Spurs were going to overpay for someone...

timvp

07-26-2007, 10:54 PM

whottt

07-26-2007, 10:55 PM

I hate the 2008 Master Plan and Holt's cheapness...that said, I've been in favor of it all long and never criticized it.

:rolleyes

Mr. Body

07-26-2007, 10:57 PM

whottt: "I totally meant to fart in front of everybody, I swear!"

whottt

07-26-2007, 10:57 PM

Udoka doesn't upgrade the roster....that said, I wanted them to do it

:rolleyes x2

whottt

07-26-2007, 11:02 PM

The Spurs could have traded Butler, Brent Barry and Scola for Noccioni...but they didn't do it because they didn't want to pay the tax and wanted to wait until 08.

:rolleyes x 3

And yes...that is what you are essentially saying.

I said they'd move this offseason to upgrade the team..that's what I said...that's what they are doing.

Period.

That's not me getting owned...

Neither is the fact that the Grizzlies drove Noc's price out of a reasonable range and Paxon stupidly wants to have 15 SF on his roster.

No owning has occurred yet...period.

timvp

07-26-2007, 11:05 PM

You claim you were vindicated in ripping Elson and you've jocked Bonner from day 1...

Well, Elson played in the playoffs...Bonner warmed the bench.

Don't you see that? Again, you said you were getting owned due to Elson and Bonner. They weren't even part of this thread.

So wait...you advocated the Spurs not doing much then? Is that what you are saying? Since Udoka = not doing much....and you advocated him?
I advocated him because he was reasonable and fit into what I thought the Spurs would do.

What part of, it upgrades the team don't you understand?

What part of....they had the offer to him for a long time...before they knew the extent of the cap space they'd have...allegedly...if you got a link proving otherwise please provide it. What part of he fit into their long range plans no matter what happened do you not understand?

LMAO...

So are you...Mr. I said sign Udoka do nothing. Trading away two assets and cutting another while signing a bargain bin SF = nothing.

Fact...you never mentioned them dropping Butler and Scola as part of the 08 plan...:lmao

Why would I want that horrible trade on my resume?

And you can't even talk about Butler anymore. He went from "verifiable steal" to "mentally handicap fat ass who can't talk" after the trade.

Fact...adding a multi year contract of any kind this offseason goes against the 08 plan as you presented it when being critical. Actually not. They'd be charged for an empty roster spot anyways so they wouldn't save much money by not signing a cheap bargain bin player like Udoka.

But yeah, I know. You're not a "cap guy" :rolleyes

Hey...

It's not about salary cap for the upteenth time...it's about the upgrading the team this offseason. Giving away three assets and signing a player who fit the 2008 plan is not an upgrade, Sonic.

Mmm....I was pretty critical of them not signing Jack, going after Kidd etc...

But other than that, yeah I've been happy with them. You also said Nazr hurt their chances at a championship. You cried when they waived Heal. You threw half the team under the bus in this thread.

Hell, 2 of those years have been titles and the one that wasn't was the offseason everyone loved..signing Finley and NVE after winning a championship. Don't try to play the homer card now. You've bitched as much as anyone.

I'll agree on all those points except Rasho...Pop didn't play Rasho in any post season except 04..Well, you've always been wrong about Rasho. I guess it's too late to change now.

The FO isn't infallible...but they consistently outsmart this board...and I don't see how any one can claim otherwise. If they aren't infallible that means they can make mistakes and that means that someone can point out their mistakes. Thanks for seeing the light :tu

I just wait until I see who they get...you prejudged this offseason before it even happened...you are more worried about being over the cap and paying hte tax that actually seeing an upgraded team.

Yeah, because timvp doesn't want the Spurs to get better. WTF are you smoking?

timvp

07-26-2007, 11:07 PM

Talk about hedging...

Fact...timvp TimVP probably wanted the Spurs to go after Dwayne Wade this offseason...that doesn't mean if they'd done a trade for him you'd be off the hook for the criticisms you have made all season long of the so called 2008 Master Plan and the Spurs FO for pursuing it.

You saying you wanted them to do something doesn't mean you weren't wrong about their intentions this offseason.

Nor does anything that has transpired yet...

In fact...they did do a major trade this offseason...

Whottt was right.

I never said the plan was to get under the cap...I said the plan was to move this offseason...not next...I said they would upgrade this offseason.

:lmao X 6.7M

Now you are already right because the Spurs' big splash turned out to be giving two players to the Rockets for nothing?

Oh man this is good.

timvp

07-26-2007, 11:09 PM

whottt can't argue with the real timvp so he's trying to win arguments against the timvp in his brain. The funny part is that timvp is even owning him :rollin

timvp

07-26-2007, 11:12 PM

No owning has occurred yet...period.

I got owned on my changed view of Butler. I got owned by throwing Bowen, Horry and Oberto under the bus before the playoffs started. I got owned when all along I gave the Spurs no chance to win a championship. I got owned when I said Brent Barry's contract could be opted out on this summer. I got owned when I said that the Spurs would have salary cap space. I got owned when I predicted Cavs in 5.

whottt

07-26-2007, 11:21 PM

I advocated him because he was reasonable and fit into what I thought the Spurs would do.

What part of he fit into their long range plans no matter what happened do you not understand?

The part where having a multi year multi million dollar contract over the minimum gives them more money under the cap...

If you are advocating the 2008 Master Plan in a positive light...link?

Trading away two assets and cutting another while signing a bargain bin SF = nothing.

I know...two assets would could have gotten Kobe for :rolleyes

Why would I want that horrible trade on my resume?

And you can't even talk about Butler anymore. He went from "verifiable steal" to "mentally handicap fat ass who can't talk" after the trade.

:lol

Well yeah...if he hadn't suck so bad in so many facets in Summer League...I wouldn't feel that way. Dude looked no better than the day we signed him...

I never said the dude didn't have talent...he just hasn't improved and he's got a lot of liabilities as well.

Actually not. They'd be charged for an empty roster spot anyways so they wouldn't save much money by not signing a cheap bargain bin player like Udoka.

But yeah, I know. You're not a "cap guy" :rolleyes

much money being the key phrase...

Would you rather we over-pay?

Giving away three assets and signing a player who fit the 2008 plan is not an upgrade, Sonic.

:lmao, it is an upgrade...how can you say it's not when you yourself advocated it?

You also said Nazr hurt their chances at a championship.

He didn't do a damn think Malik couldn't have done...Horry OTOH....and that was our toughest playoff run in a title year...

Prove he helped us.

You cried when they waived Heal.

And I was proven wrong when?

I must have missed the parade...and Anthony Carter doing anything...we lost because of our shooting, he provided it....with more clutchness than Hedo did.

You threw half the team under the bus in this thread.

I didn't throw any under the buss...

I was right about Oberto opting out.
Bruce has opted out before.

Finley would have opted out if we didn't win a title.

Don't try to play the homer card now. You've bitched as much as anyone.

LMAO...so which is it? Do I jock the FO blindly or do I play the homer card?

Well, you've always been wrong about Rasho. I guess it's too late to change now.

Rasho wasn't why we lost in 04...Pop didn't play him any other time.

If they aren't infallible that means they can make mistakes and that means that someone can point out their mistakes. Thanks for seeing the light :tu

LMAO...

You haven't proven they've made any yet.

Yeah, because timvp doesn't want the Spurs to get better. WTF are you smoking?

You basically claimed Holt prevented them from doing so...I claimed they'd make their move this offseason and upgrade...

You're the one on both sides of the fence...

whottt

07-26-2007, 11:21 PM

whottt can't argue with the real timvp so he's trying to win arguments against the timvp in his brain.

Coyote>Drob

whottt

07-26-2007, 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt fantasy

No owning has occurred yet...period.

Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt reality

I got owned on my changed view of Butler. I got owned by throwing Bowen, Horry and Oberto under the bus before the playoffs started. I got owned when all along I gave the Spurs no chance to win a championship. I got owned when I said Brent Barry's contract could be opted out on this summer. I got owned when I said that the Spurs would have salary cap space. I got owned when I predicted Cavs in 5.

:lmao @ throwing Horry under the bus...

He said he leaning towards retirement at that time, stretch.

That's so typical.

whottt

07-26-2007, 11:26 PM

I want the Spurs to sign Udoka

5 seconds later:

Udoka's not an upgrade

:bang

timvp

07-26-2007, 11:28 PM

*waits for this session of filibustering to end*

UV Ray

07-26-2007, 11:37 PM

Oh wow bible smack. This is a new avenue for you.

That was hilarious.

whottt

07-26-2007, 11:49 PM

you started it

whottt

07-26-2007, 11:49 PM

This is what happens when you bump threads prematurely....

timvp

07-26-2007, 11:54 PM

whotttt has officially stopped making sense. This is around the time he just tries to filibuster his way out of ownage.

Giving away three assets and signing a player who fit the 2008 plan is not an upgrade, Sonic.

:lmao, it is an upgrade...how can you say it's not when you yourself advocated it?

This is a new low for whottt in this thread. It's such a twist of a take that I'm speechless.

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:05 AM

whotttt has officially stopped making sense. This is around the time he just tries to filibuster his way out of ownage.

This is a new low for whottt in this thread. It's such a twist of a take that I'm speechless.

How the hell is it a twist of take...

The funny thing is that no matter how you look at it you are undermining your own previous takes...

I mean I like Matt Barnes too...if we can get him here, but not for the damn MLE...

You just want to see the MLE thrown at someone every offseason...I still have yet to see a valid criticism you are making of this FO, other than they aren't spending enough money to suit you...which in this offseason would mean overvaluing players.

LMAO the funny thing is...if the Spurs do come out of this offseason unimproved...it won't be because of any provable 2008 Master Plan...it will be because all the top SF's were overvalued...and we couldn't get as much for Scola and Butler as you wished...

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:06 AM

whottt would be a much more entertaining ownage victim if he ever admitted to being wrong. In his three plus years of posting, I've never once see him claim to have been wrong and another poster right. And he isn't going to start with this thread.

Okay, whottt, you are right. If the Spurs sign the player timvp wanted all along, timvp will be owned. If they don't, you'll still be right because as you said, the trade with the Rockets already sufficed the "big splash" acquisition. You correctly predicted that the Spurs wouldn't bring back the exact same team. That was an amazing limb you went out on. I mean, seriously, who thought the Spurs were going to make a move at all this summer? Everyone was convinced they'd become the first team in NBA history to bring back the same 15 guys from one year to the next.

You proved them all wrong, whottt. You are the man :tu

Seriously. You called this all the way back in March. The Spurs were going to make a big acquisition this summer. No one saw that 2009 second round draft pick for Scola and Butler coming. Except for you!

Props. Job well done.

You pwned them all!

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:10 AM

How the hell is it a twist of take...

The funny thing is that no matter how you look at it you are undermining your own previous takes...

I mean I like Matt Barnes too...if we can get him here, but not for the damn MLE...

You just want to see the MLE thrown at someone every offseason...I still have yet to see a valid criticism you are making of this FO, other than they aren't spending enough money to suit you...which in this offseason would mean overvaluing players.

LMAO the funny thing is...if the Spurs do come out of this offseason unimproved...it won't be because of any provable 2008 Master Plan...it will be because all the top SF's were overvalued...and we couldn't get as much for Scola and Butler as you wished...

Hey, no worries bro. You already pwned them all! No need to backtrack even further. Obviously timvp didn't mean that by taking away three assets and adding one asset that equaled no improvement. That stupid timvp tried to pull a fast one and you got him!

You are so right it's amazing. I still can't get over how you correctly predicted that the Spurs wouldn't bring back the same 15 players. That goes down as one of the best predictions in recorded history.

UV Ray

07-27-2007, 12:12 AM

As a totally independent and neutral observer
I think I can speak for everyone here (or not) when I say:

Ownage is not pretty.

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:13 AM

whotttt has officially stopped making sense. This is around the time he just tries to filibuster his way out of ownage.

This is a new low for whottt in this thread. It's such a twist of a take that I'm speechless.

Just to hammer this home...first all all Jackie Bulter would not have done crap this season had he stayed on the team.

#2. Scola wasn't as valued as you think he was!...no crime there, he wasn't as valued as I thought he would be either...and I don't even like him.

#3. You yourself advocate losing Scola for nothing over giving him to the Rockets. Don't try and claim it's all about assets with you.

#4. A player Pop will play at a need position is an upgrade over keeping a guy that won't play for us, doesn't have as much trade value as we hoped, and #3 likely would have stayed in Europe...and Jackie Butler, who didn't even get off the bench this season, and didn't look improved.

There's just no consistency with your statements here...I'm sorry, you can't say you were for signing a player and then claim it's not an upgrade.

It's not a huge upgrade?

Well my friend...you have to prove the Spurs had the chance to lock down a huge upgrade and passed on it for $$$ reasons(without overpaying for it) if you want to claim board rigth now as you are attempting.

FA were overvalued this offseason, particularly SF'...failure to over-pay or not being able to trade Scola for a lottery pick doesn't prove they were biding their time until 2008. They'd have been all over Nocioini...if the price wasn't ridiculous.

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:16 AM

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:19 AM

As a totally independent and neutral observer
I think I can speak for everyone here (or not) when I say:

Ownage is not pretty.

:yawn

How have I gotten owned yet?

The offseason isn't over, the Spurs have 3 open slots, and they have some big contracts to trade off...as well as other assets.

How is that owning?

Explain that to me...

justanotherspursfan

07-27-2007, 12:27 AM

I said the Spurs would make their move this offseason...Scola was their biggest trade asset(unfortunately not as valuable as anyone hoped)...the fact that he is moved pretty much proves it was this offseason.....
So dumping ballast for a second round pick two years from now is a big move?

Be sure to stay keep a watch on your blood pressure, because I'd hate to see you keel over with a heart attack from the shock if we make a move with even more impact on this year's team, like, say, signing Watson to a 10-day contract.

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:31 AM

So dumping ballast for a second round pick two years from now is a big move?

Not in and of itself...it's an indication they were prepared and willing to make one though.

Be sure to stay keep a watch on your blood pressure, because I'd hate to see you keel over with a heart attack from the shock if we make a move with even more impact on this year's team, like, say, signing Watson to a 10-day contract.

Yawn...I already said if the Spurs don't do anything else that upgrades the team I am willing to concede I was wrong...although no one is ever going to be able to provide proof the Spurs could have gotten Nocioni and turned it down for lux tax reasons.

Lots of cynicism and ownerbashing typical of so many franchises...I've yet to see anyone provide conclusive proof that throwing the MLE at someone every offseason improves the team....and that's what exactly what timvp and Marcus Bryant are pissed about...that we aren't blindly throwing the MLE at any player we can get.

Show me that works...........

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:32 AM

If the Spurs sign the guy who you pinpointed as the guy the Spurs are going to go after even with the 2008 plan intact, you'll get owned. Just trust me, you'll be owned. I said the Spurs would do something this offseason. I correctly predicted they wouldn't become the first team in NBA history to bring back all 15 players from one year to the next. This thread isn't about salary cap or a big splash acquisition, it's about me trying to avoid getting owned hardcore.

Again, no worries. You are already right. You said the Spurs would do something this summer and they have. A 2009 second round pick from the Rockets is nothing to sneeze at.

You are right. Everyone else in this thread is wrong. I don't know how you continue to never be wrong in your forum history. Keep it up:tu

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:36 AM

Again, no worries. You are already right. You said the Spurs would do something this summer and they have. A 2009 second round pick from the Rockets is nothing to sneeze at.

Link to where we turned down Nocioni?

You are right. Everyone else in this thread is wrong. I don't know how you continue to never be wrong in your forum history. Keep it up:tu

Um...I am not the one that bumped this thread before the offseason is even over in a lame attempt to claim board....you are. BFD.,..you didn't think Scola would be moved...and you weren't bringing up Udoka when this thread was originally made either.

You are claiming I have already lost...when there are still open roster slots on the team.

Exactly how have I gotten owned?

Because Finley didn't opt out? Horry didn't retire? That's about the only thing I was wrong about so far.

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:37 AM

Not in and of itself...it's an indication they were prepared and willing to make one though. Salary dumping is an indication that they were going to make a big splash acquisition. No doubt, bro. You are so right. F the haters who don't realize how valuable that 2009 second round pick will be.

I mean seriously, you called it. Big splash acquisition from the Rockets. Who woulda thunk it?

Yawn...I already said if the Spurs don't do anything else that upgrades the team I am willing to concede I was wrong...although no one is ever going to be able to provide proof the Spurs could have gotten Nocioni and turned it down for lux tax reasons. Don't worry that the Spurs would have saved lux tax dollars with a trade of Barry and Butler for Nocioni. Everyone knows you aren't a "cap guy". It's all gravy :tu

Lots of cynicism and ownerbashing typical of so many franchises...I've yet to see anyone provide conclusive proof that throwing the MLE at someone every offseason improves the team....and that's what exactly what timvp and Marcus Bryant are pissed about...that we aren't blindly throwing the MLE at any player we can get.

Show me that works...........

No need to provide any links. We all trust you when you say timvp wants the Spurs to spend the MLE every year.

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:38 AM

Link to where we turned down Nocioni? Of course timvp claimed that the Spurs turned down Nocioni. Even if he didn't post that, that doesn't mean you should stop claiming he did.

:tu

Um...I am not the one that bumped this thread before the offseason is even over in a lame attempt to claim board....you are.

You are claiming I have already lost...when there are still open roster slots on the team.

Exactly how have I gotten owned?

Because Finley didn't opt out? Horry didn't retire? That's about the only thing I was wrong about so far.

That secret Barry opt out was damn sweet. Nice call :tu

TheWriter

07-27-2007, 12:41 AM

TIMVP, give up guy. It's like fighting with a wall.

Except this wall is a big vagina shaped human being.

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:41 AM

Salary dumping is an indication that they were going to make a big splash acquisition. No doubt, bro. You are so right. F the haters who don't realize how valuable that 2009 second round pick will be.

Spending money needlessly isn't an indication of a smart FO....

Salary dumping was the max they could get for Scola...I know you'd rather he stayed in Europe becuaee you fear the Rockets...but the Spurs didn't.

I mean seriously, you called it. Big splash acquisition from the Rockets. Who woulda thunk it?

Whoda thunk the Spurs could have moved Scola for Nocioni and iddn't becausr they wanted to save $$$? You evidentally.

Don't worry that the Spurs would have saved lux tax dollars with a trade of Barry and Butler for Nocioni. Everyone knows you aren't a "cap guy". It's all gravy :tu

No need to provide any links. We all trust you when you say timvp wants the Spurs to spend the MLE every year.

What do you want? Aside from Reggie Evans and Matt Bonner to lead us to a title I mean.

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:47 AM

Of course timvp claimed that the Spurs turned down Nocioni. Even if he didn't post that, that doesn't mean you should stop claiming he did.

:tu

You have claimed everything short of the Spurs getting Wilt for Scola...

That secret Barry opt out was damn sweet. Nice call :tu

Um...I never guaranteed Barry had a team option...in fact I said I couldn't prove it, I strongly felt he did, nontheless, he still has trade value...but no one saw that Ferry had one either that year...

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:48 AM

Spending money needlessly isn't an indication of a smart FO....

Salary dumping was the max they could get for Scola...I know you'd rather he stayed in Europe becuaee you fear the Rockets...but the Spurs didn't. Exactly. Plus the Spurs at the same time fulfilled your Big Splash Acquisition prophecy. You are so good :tu

Whoda thunk the Spurs could have moved Scola for Nocioni and iddn't becausr they wanted to save $$$? You evidentally. Obviously. timvp never said that but we all know that's what he thinks. You are owning that sly bastard, keep it up.

What do you want? Aside from Reggie Evans and Matt Bonner to lead us to a title I mean.Obviously timvp wants the Spurs to spend the MLE every summer. That's why he targeted a guy who was no doubt going to command a full MLE offer in Udoka.

You figured it out all by yourself. Props.

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:49 AM

You know what?

Reconsidering it all...

I'll just say I was wrong. You win.

End of argument.

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:50 AM

You have claimed everything short of the Spurs getting Wilt for Scola...Some will think you are exaggerating. The truth is timvp really wanted Wilt for Scola.

Um...I never guaranteed Barry had a team option...in fact I said I couldn't prove it, I strongly felt he did, nontheless, he still has trade value...but no one saw that Ferry had one either that year...Except for you, whottt, except for you.

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:51 AM

You know what?

Reconsidering it all...

I'll just say I was wrong. You win.

End of argument.Noooooo. You had him. You were about to pzwnt timvp.

:depressed

whottt

07-27-2007, 12:53 AM

Noooooo. You had him. You were about to pzwnt timvp.

:depressed

I was wrong. You were right.

timvp

07-27-2007, 12:56 AM

I was wrong. You were right.That's it. Use the ol' reverse psychology on him. He's about to crack.

Score another ownage for whottt. He's on a roll. First the 2009 second rounder, now this.

TheWriter

07-27-2007, 01:02 AM

whottt

07-27-2007, 01:08 AM

That's it. Use the ol' reverse psychology on him. He's about to crack.

Score another ownage for whottt. He's on a roll. First the 2009 second rounder, now this.

I was wrong. You were right. :tu :D
I don't know what else you want me to say.

whottt

07-27-2007, 01:14 AM

:lol :lol

Yes, you were incredibly wrong, fucking huge margins of wrong.

:yawn

timvp

07-27-2007, 01:14 AM

I was wrong. You were right. :tu :D
I don't know what else you want me to say.You almost got him whottt. Just say one more time that he wanted to trade Scola for Wilt and claim scoreboard on that second round pick one more time and you'll have finished your pwnage.

whottt

07-27-2007, 02:59 AM

Seriously though...I thought it over some more...

You hedged...

There is no huge upgrade at the SF the Spurs could have gotten without substantially overpaying or their offer being matched. Even if under the cap...even if they went scorched earth(which they probably would have done had they lost). The demand was too high for the top 2 Noccioni and Wallace...even if the Spurs had gotten under the cap, Noc was a RFA and Wallace was intent on staying in Charlotte unfortunately. Everyone else is about on par with Udoka or even more undeservingly overpaid.

Sorry...you and MB just ripped the Spurs, and saying you thought they should sign Udoka doesn't free you from being unjustly negative...

And if you can show me how Scola or Butler could have lead to a signing one of the big names and didn't...I'll join you in ripping Holt. But you can't...all you can do is speculate that we could have gotten a #1 pick from Cleveland or a second rounder from Sac...lame.

Spend the MLE on who...that helps? Trade for who, that helps?

Are Pietrus and Barnes provably better than Udoka?

In summary...I'm sorry...

For saying I was wrong, when in fact, I wasn't.

For a brief instant I thought it would make me feel better just to stop arguing...I was wrong about that too...it didn't. You played both sides of the fence...period.

The only thing you can do is say if Holt wasn't so cheap he'd have let Scola walk...which would be stupid.

And don't say you weren't bumping MB's 2008 Master Plan threads all season long and propping him...you guys have been having a Holt hate-on this entire season.

Prove we'd be better off throwing the MLE at Matt Barnes, prove he would even come...and who knows, we may wind up getting Barnes anyway.

whottt

07-27-2007, 03:08 AM

:lol :lol

Yes, you were incredibly wrong, fucking huge margins of wrong.

If you could read...you'd know that wasn't the point of this thread...nor did I ever claim I had proof there was an option on Barry's contract...nor did I claim it was a necessity for this thread and my theory about offseason 2007 to be a valid one.

timvp

07-27-2007, 03:37 AM

Seriously though...I thought it over some more...I knew you'd come back. You were owning timvp, I don't know why you stopped. I mean, you're owning him as everyone who comes into this thread can attest to.

You hedged...Nice. Keep playing the hedge card. Ignore that you invented hedging. No one remembers what did or did not say. :tu

There is no huge upgrade at the SF the Spurs could have gotten without substantially overpaying or their offer being matched. Even if under the cap...even if they went scorched earth(which they probably would have done had they lost). The demand was too high for the top 2 Noccioni and Wallace...even if the Spurs had gotten under the cap, Noc was a RFA and Wallace was intent on staying in Charlotte unfortunately. Now this is just utter genius. Argue against your own take. By owning yourself, you own everyone else in the process.

You are good.

Sorry...you and MB just ripped the Spurs, and saying you thought they should sign Udoka doesn't free you from being unjustly negative...Another good move. It doesn't matter saying the Spurs are on a The 2008 Plan isn't ripping the Spurs. Who cares about the details?

The 2008 Plan means the Spurs were going to open cap space in the summer of 2008 so they could then make a move, but you knew that. The 2008 Plan doesn't even indicate that the Spurs are being cheap. That's why you are so good at owning people. You own them on make believe aspects of their takes.

Brilliant.

And if you can show me how Scola or Butler could have lead to a signing one of the big names and didn't...I'll join you in ripping Holt. But you can't...all you can do is speculate that we could have gotten a #1 pick from Cleveland or a second rounder from Sac...lame. Once again, arguing against your own point. This is greatness :tu

As you know, timvp never said that trading Scola or Butler would lead to signing a big name player. That's the brilliance of your post. You make something up and then argue against it. Not minding that what you say makes absolutely no sense is just the icing on the cake :tu

Spend the MLE on who...that helps? Trade for who, that helps? Once again, you prove to be the master of arguing against your own point. Forget that timvp never said the Spurs should or would spend the MLE on someone. Genius.

Are Pietrus and Barnes provably better than Udoka? Oh man you just owned timvp with that rhetorical question.

In summary...I'm sorry...

For saying I was wrong, when in fact, I wasn't. That's the whottt I know. He doesn't quit until he owns everyone in the thread. He even owns takes that nobody in the thread had.

For a brief instant I thought it would make me feel better just to stop arguing...I was wrong about that too...it didn't. You played both sides of the fence...period.Gold. Tell him that he played both sides of the fence when all along all he wanted this offseason was Udoka. timvp hoped that the Spurs would turn some expiring contracts into players with longer contracts, but settled on just acquiring Udoka this offseason in preparation of a more active offseason next year. But we don't care about that. Own that timvp for wanting who the Spurs hopefully end up with.

The only thing you can do is say if Holt wasn't so cheap he'd have let Scola walk...which would be stupid. Another great maneuver. Say the dumbest thing in the thread like it makes sense.

Greatness.

And don't say you weren't bumping MB's 2008 Master Plan threads all season long and propping him...you guys have been having a Holt hate-on this entire season. Epic.

This is whottt at his best. Ignore that the 2008 Master Plan wasn't even about Holt being cheap. The 2008 Master Plan is brought upon by the front office as a way to add talent to the roster by opening up cap space. Cheapness has no factor in it. Yet you know this and still play the Holt card.

Impressive.

Prove we'd be better off throwing the MLE at Matt Barnes, prove he would even come...and who knows, we may wind up getting Barnes anyway.Yep. It's just awesome how you make timvp prove stuff he never even advocated. Just keep fighting those imaginary timvp takes. It's great ownage.

Trust me.

xapatan2

07-27-2007, 04:36 AM

You guys are great !

I am not sure, after half an hour of reading to have understood all the subtilities of this discussion, but from here in Lyon it is some great fun !

you "owned" me guys for an half an hour !

oh, well, i am going back to my work... still hoping that we would add some good thing to our roster... which is not the case at this time... :)

Xap

UV Ray

07-27-2007, 04:57 AM

:yawn

How have I gotten owned yet?

The offseason isn't over, the Spurs have 3 open slots, and they have some big contracts to trade off...as well as other assets.

How is that owning?

Explain that to me...

I have no dog in this fight (because it would end my NFL career), but I would say you lost the argument barring what would seem to be a complex and unlikely PP movement and because you repeatedly and without evidence, attribute positions/opinions to timvp that he says he does not hold. And because I've been held captive in the Phantom Zone for the last thirty days and I have Stockholm Syndrome.

sabar

07-27-2007, 04:58 AM

What have we witnessed here today?

whottt

07-27-2007, 07:56 AM

Now this is just utter genius. Argue against your own take. By owning yourself, you own everyone else in the process.

You are good.

Um...I am not arguing against my own take...I am saying Scola wasn't worth what anyone thought he was worth...and I am asking you to prove the Spurs wouldn't have done a big deal if it had been available.

Another good move. It doesn't matter saying the Spurs are on a The 2008 Plan isn't ripping the Spurs. Who cares about the details?

It's ripping the Spurs when you say it's wasting Duncan's prime, when we've just won 3 titles in 5 years...it's ripping the Spurs when you attribute a mass contract expiration year to financial gain or even selling the team.

And the point is...they were, and are, prepared to do something this offseason, they aren't and weren't penciled into 2008 and there is nothing to indicate they had tunnelvision for that offseason...the Scola trade is proof. Not that it's a big trade in and of itself, but that were willing to trade major pieces..and IMO, perhaps they still are.

The 2008 Plan means the Spurs were going to open cap space in the summer of 2008 so they could then make a move, but you knew that. The 2008 Plan doesn't even indicate that the Spurs are being cheap. That's why you are so good at owning people. You own them on make believe aspects of their takes.

Brilliant.

#1. You alluded to it being about selling the team, that it's about Holt not being willing to take on large multi year deals at the expense of Duncan's prime.

#2. Some of the stuff you accuse me of attributing to you is not so much me saying you said it...as me asking you to disprove my claims.

Once again, arguing against your own point. This is greatness :tu

As you know, timvp never said that trading Scola or Butler would lead to signing a big name player. [/quote]

No...but you do think they could have gotten substantially more and refused to do so out of greed...

The only thing you see there is greed. You don't see the other possibilities. That maybe they considered a shot a signing Spanoulis and dumpong Butler without taking salary back better than anything else they were offered.

That's the brilliance of your post. You make something up and then argue against it. Not minding that what you say makes absolutely no sense is just the icing on the cake :tu

Once again, you prove to be the master of arguing against your own point. Forget that timvp never said the Spurs should or would spend the MLE on someone. Genius.

I am saying if you want to claim scoreboard...the provide some proof I am wrong.

That's the whottt I know. He doesn't quit until he owns everyone in the thread. He even owns takes that nobody in the thread had.

Gold. Tell him that he played both sides of the fence when all along all he wanted this offseason was Udoka. timvp hoped that the Spurs would turn some expiring contracts into players with longer contracts, but settled on just acquiring Udoka this offseason in preparation of a more active offseason next year. But we don't care about that. Own that timvp for wanting who the Spurs hopefully end up with.

Right...and when you say that, I ask you to prove they could have gotten more and didn't...and then you say I am making shit up.

You have gone 90% GhostWriter circa 2002.

This is whottt at his best. Ignore that the 2008 Master Plan wasn't even about Holt being cheap. The 2008 Master Plan is brought upon by the front office as a way to add talent to the roster by opening up cap space. Cheapness has no factor in it. Yet you know this and still play the Holt card.

Impressive.

Ehhh...you've attributed it to Holt being cheap, you've done it in this very post I am quoting.

Secondly...I think it's pretty obvious there was no 2008 Master Plan, only year to year flexibility by a very smart FO...that they were and actually still are prepared to do something this offseason.

Yep. It's just awesome how you make timvp prove stuff he never even advocated. Just keep fighting those imaginary timvp takes. It's great ownage.

Trust me.

And you've tried to make this thread about capspace, about lux taxes, about whether or not the team had an option on Barry, about me throwing so and so under the bus...

When in fact...it was about the Spurs being poised to do a major trade this offseason...and there being no 2008 Master Plan.

Whether or not it happens...you are continually saying they have chosen dollars over upgrading the team...

You have said about the Scola trade...you have said it's why they refuse to take on multi year deals and instead go for a salary clearing year like 2008...

But you refuse to acknowledge that it was possible the Spanoulis trade, and the chance of signing him was the best thing they were offered.

whottt

07-27-2007, 08:00 AM

I have no dog in this fight (because it would end my NFL career), but I would say you lost the argument barring what would seem to be a complex and unlikely PP movement and because you repeatedly and without evidence, attribute positions/opinions to timvp that he says he does not hold.

Yeah...and he's full of it on that...some of it at least, some of it is me asking him to prove I am wrong and him thinking I am attributing statements to him.

But ultimately it comes down to this...

This offseason isn't over yet. And he's painting it as if it is...

And he has said the 2008 plan is for a variety of things...including setting the team up for sale...

Link:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57603&highlight=holt

And because I've been held captive in the Phantom Zone for the last thirty days and I have Stockholm Syndrome.

Bottom line is that I haven't gotten owned except on periphreal details...like no team option on Barry...

That doesn't mean the Spurs didn't want to do a major trade/upgrade this offseason..that doesn't mean they couldn't.

I just want to see where I got owned in the point I was making at the beginning of this thread...it has not happened yet.

The only thing being owned around here is the reading comprehension of everyone saying I got owned. Because noone gets the simple point I was making...that the Spurs were poised to do something this offseason...the fact that they haven't so far has more to do with Scola's crappy trade value than an error on my part, or cheapness and cluelessness on the part of the FO and ownership...and everyone is still overvaluing Scola BTW...including timvp...he also refuses to admit it's possible the Scola trade was about anything more than money...he does this while simultaneously acting offended in this thread that I have ever accused him of accusing the Spurs of being cheap.

Hedging...

whottt

07-27-2007, 08:11 AM

In conclusion...wake me when the offseason is over...that's when I'll be wrong...unless can you provide proof the Spurs turned down moves that would have upgraded them substantially for financial gains.

Or TimVp can provide proof that signing Udoka this offseason gives them more cap space next season than not signing him...it doesn't add up.

timvp

07-27-2007, 01:02 PM

Man, whottt is so good at owning people. He can bold face lie without batting an eyelash. It's amazing.

whottt says that he changed his mind about Butler after watching summer league (or "training camp", like he calls it). But after the FOURTH summer league game, here was his take on Butler:
I was just checking out the Summer League stats...

Butler leads the team in scoring, rebounding, blocks and assists. His PCT sucks but...that's because of all the blown dunks.

It's strange how he's struggling with them...maybe losing all that weight took some of his power away...some guys are just meant to be heavy.

Anyway...I don't see what more people(or the Spurs) could want from Butler, especially when he's not getting the ball a lot of the time. When he gets it he's producing. And he's done pretty good setting screens and defending picnrolls....he hasn't been spectacular at it...but you can tell it's something he's trying to do...even though it isn't instinctive.

whottt is the number one homer of the Scola trade. He attacks people who don't suck up to the trade and bow down to the front office. But this was whottt's take THE DAY BEFORE THE TRADE:
I like Butler, but I don't think it's automatically a bad idea to trade him...just depends on what we can get for him...yeah, a second round pick is too little...ditto for Scola.

This article doesn't say what the Spurs are willing to trade Butler for...if it's just a second round pick...horrible. But if you can get more than that...because he is a bigman that can score pretty effectively...I think you have to consider it.

whottt tells timvp to justify throwing the MLE at Pietrus. However, the truth is timvp has never wanted Pietrus for anything close to the MLE:
Seriously, I'd probably balk at anything over three-year, $15M. He could be good or he could be a bust in the Spurs system. But I don't really see the Spurs getting him when he's getting at least $30-35M when it's all said and done.

At $30-35M, I don't think I could back the acquisition.

whottt tells timvp to justify throwing the MLE at Barnes. However, the truth is timvp has never wanted Barnes at anything close to the MLE:
Udoka for $9M > Barnes for $18-20M or whatever he ends up getting.

whottt tells timvp to justify throwing big money at Gerald Wallace. However, the truth is whottt was the one creaming about throwing big money at Wallace:
Whatever...but if he can't get the money he wants, he may want to win...and if the Spurs can get him for up to 10 mil a year via S&T...I'd say they should attempt it...it still puts hte Bobcats in a position of getting something in return instead of nothing.

Sin,

Spurs and DA 2001

The Spurs do have good trade relations with the Bobcats...and as you said, Jordan isn't exactly the greatest GM in history.

whottt says that timvp thinks that the Spurs should have gotten more for Scola and Butler. When in actuality, timvp's take is:
I don't care if the Spurs want to dump Scola and Butler. But it makes no sense to give them away for free to a divisional rival.

whottt claims timvp has been bashing Holt all along when actually, before the Scola trade timvp's last take on Holt in the forum was:
Holt has upped his game this year. He actually let the Spurs have a full 15 man roster for the entire season and paid that $50,000 fine so the Spurs could have a day off.

whottt is either lying or oblivious to the fact that the Spurs never wanted V-Span. It wasn't a horrible idea but the idea has absolutely no legs yet whottt runs with it.

whottt claims that timvp sits around ripping players all day. The truth is that is far, far from the truth. whottt has declined to give any examples even after being asked to repeated times. timvp has backed Duncan 99.99% of his career. timvp has defender Parker against the Manu mob. timvp fought for Manu for 6MOY. timvp backed Bowen and Horry all year. timvp believed that Oberto would come up big in the playoffs. timvp advocated starting Barry earlier in the year. timvp has all along called Jacque Vaughn the best third PG in team history. He backed Bonner, White, Butler and Ely. timvp admits to bashing Beno cause Beno sucks and just likes to party. timvp admits to bashing Elson because Elson sucks. timvp was hard on Finley for most of the year but gave him credit when credit was due ... unlike whottt.

whottt claims that timvp sits around ripping the front office all day. The truth is that in the last couple years, timvp was only against the Scola/Butler trade, the Elson signing, the repeated signings of Melvin Sanders and that's it. timvp has supported virtually every other move the Spurs have made.

whottt is simply amazing. He's had more bold face lies in this thread than most people accumulate in a lifetime of posting. He mixes up bold face lies by connecting dots that don't connect. Saying that the Spurs are planning for 2008 doesn't mean Holt is being cheap, yet whottt connects that dot. Saying that the Spurs might be clearing salary to sell the team isn't anything else other than predicting that Holt might sell the team, yet whottt connects that dot to something different.

whottt is also impressive because of his inner conflict about whether he is right already or not. One post he'll say he'll be owned if the Spurs do nothing else. The next post he'll say he's already right because the Spurs made their "big splash" by giving away Scola and Butler. The next post he'll say that it's not his or the front offices fault that they haven't been able to make their "big splash" because Scola's right's weren't worth what they thought. The next post he'll go back to needing more for him to be right. It's impossible to argue against a person who can't make up his own mind about whether he's already been owned, whether he's owned himself, whether he's already owned everyone else or whether he's on the verge of owning everyone. That's the genius behind whottt.

Props. whottt just can't be stopped. :clap

kris

07-27-2007, 01:44 PM

http://www.vermontsoy.com/recycle.jpg

This match is more even than anyone thinks. Whottt has drawn Timvp into 10 hours worth of posts.

ShoogarBear

07-27-2007, 02:46 PM

In summary...I'm sorry...

For saying I was wrong, when in fact, I wasn't.
:lmao

VaSpursFan

07-27-2007, 03:13 PM

:lol :lol this thread is funny

jag

07-27-2007, 07:36 PM

:lol :lol this thread is funny

it's pretty lame...it's like watching 5 year olds go back and forth calling each other stupid

whottt

07-27-2007, 11:36 PM

it's pretty lame...it's like watching 5 year olds go back and forth calling each other stupid

He started it.

Oscar DeLa

08-05-2007, 01:09 PM

I don't know what it is but whottt ruins timvp on the reg

thispego

08-05-2007, 02:35 PM

He started it.
:lmao

Ed Helicopter Jones

08-05-2007, 05:01 PM

Fvcking Timvp v. Whottt threads....

Fvck. :pctoss

mookie2001

08-05-2007, 05:08 PM

whottt dumps on timvp worse than chumpdumper dumps on whottt

timvp

08-05-2007, 05:50 PM

whottt's alter ego GTG aliases are a
I don't know what it is but whottt ruins timvp on the regday late
whottt dumps on timvp worse than chumpdumper dumps on whotttand a dollar short.

mookie2001

08-05-2007, 05:54 PM

its true though

timvp

08-05-2007, 06:01 PM

its true thoughTrue. This offseason has been so jam packed with big splash acquisitions I'm shocked timvp could be so wrong.

Props :tu

mookie2001

08-05-2007, 06:04 PM

im generalizing

historically whottt ruins you

hes like TRU and youre like cashmoney millionaires

timvp

08-05-2007, 06:16 PM

im generalizing

historically whottt ruins you

hes like TRU and youre like cashmoney millionairesObviously. He's like C-Murder calling from prison having Silkk The Shocker remix his takes before posting on the forum. Even if it makes no sense it's a hit. When whottt isn't posting from Mookie2001's account, Mookie2001 is like Mia X but male and not retired.

whottt

08-05-2007, 06:24 PM

The offseason is over

Cool...it'll be interesting to see how the Spurs do with only 12 players on the roster. You were right, the Spurs are taking saving $$$ to the extreme.

And to think...we could have won 3 or 4 championships with a player like Tim Duncan.

timvp

08-05-2007, 06:46 PM

Cool...it'll be interesting to see how the Spurs do with only 12 players on the roster. You were right, the Spurs are taking saving $$$ to the extreme.

And to think...we could have won 3 or 4 championships with a player like Tim Duncan.Good to see whottt posting under his own name now.

:tu

Cant_Be_Faded

08-05-2007, 08:16 PM

LOL
you guys should do stand up comedy against each other.

hes like TRU and youre like cashmoney millionaires

:lmao :rollin
get it? it a play on words.

Bunz

08-05-2007, 08:47 PM

whottt is a crazy ass bitch who puts words in your mouf. Thats somefin trick ass hoes do

whottt

08-05-2007, 10:45 PM

somefin

Don't say somefin...don't ever say it again.

anakha

08-05-2007, 10:58 PM

9+ pages of arguing, trash-talking, and general snarkiness

Greatness. Absolute greatness. Take your bows, gentlemen. :lol

MaNuMaNiAc

08-05-2007, 11:10 PM

I can't believe I just read through 9 pages of the same crap, OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER again... Its like watching a car wreck, you know its going to be ugly, but you still can't take your eyes away from the damn thing...

All in all, entertaining though :lol

whottt

08-14-2007, 07:13 PM

PWNT!

Toldya.

smeagol

08-14-2007, 09:00 PM

PWNT!

Toldya.
Give it up.

whottt

08-14-2007, 09:40 PM

Give it up.

What..reading comphrenesion? Like yourself?

Just because timvp rode both sides of the fence and pulled out one of the all time great pre-emptive ass coverings...that doesn't mean I was wrong.

T Park

08-14-2007, 09:46 PM

no amount of spin and Bullshit can keep you from being wrong on this.

whottt

08-14-2007, 09:48 PM

no amount of spin and Bullshit can keep you from being wrong on this.

Bitch...you get your ass kicked by the concept of a waiver wire...don't even think you are qualified to judge.

timvp

08-15-2007, 12:59 AM

PWNT!

Toldya.:lmao

First of all, Udoka hasn't even signed yet. Stop jinxing it.

Second of all, signing the player timvp wanted for peanuts makes you even more wrong than before. If the Spurs were going to be in big baller mode like you claim they were going to be in, their main target wouldn't be offered less than what they paid Jacque Vaughn. Trying to claim scoreboard on the player timvp targeted who the Spurs might sign could very well be an all-time new low for whottt.

And everyone knows it.

El_Mago

08-15-2007, 02:10 AM

Ha, Elliott and I mentioned Udoka...when everyone was contemplating....Pietrus, Nocioni, Scola, and blah blah.....

Next...

timvp

08-15-2007, 06:46 AM

Ha, Elliott and I mentioned Udoka...when everyone was contemplating....Pietrus, Nocioni, Scola, and blah blah.....

Next...

:huh

Before free agency...
I don't think that the Spurs will use their MLE to sign anyone. After re-signing Oberto, Bonner and Vaughn, that'll put them at or over the luxury tax threshold. Using the MLE beyond that would end up costing the Spurs about $11M.

Sign and trades make a lot more sense given the Spurs' situation. Because of that, restricted free agents should be looked at. Nocioni, Pietrus and T. Outlaw are all restricted free against and all could fit needs with this team.

As far as unrestricted free agents, the two I like most for the Spurs are James Posey and Ime Udoka. Posey for a starting salary at around $3M would be nice. However, he probably gets more.

Udoka would be an absolutely perfect Bowen replacement ... except for the fact that he's 6-foot-5. Udoka can defend, rebound a little bit, decent pass, doesn't turn the ball over and is a +40% three point shooter. He's had the same type of career that Bowen had before joining the Spurs and he's the same age that Bowen was when the Spurs signed him.

Portland has said they want him back but after they drafted like 38 players, I'm not sure they have the room. If the Spurs could get him for a couple million, he'd be a pretty decent signing. His only drawback is his height, but if he were 6-foot-7 he'd cost two or three times as much.

Another thing about Udoka is he shoots most of his shots from the corner threes just like Bowen ... and Udoka hit those shots at a 42% clip this past season.

Two weeks later...
I know TIMVP and I have been supporting this move.

I firmly believed the Spurs would stand pat and not sign any huge free agent, but if they did, I figured it would of been Udoka.

Spurs tend to sign players on the cheap, under the radar, and hope they blossom.

Should be a good move.

Today....
I recall ElliottFan and timvp as the only ones who were interested in Udoka from the beginning of the offseason.

gemneral

08-15-2007, 06:56 AM

Whott Is A Loser Hahaahahahahahahaahahahha

smeagol

08-15-2007, 07:48 AM

I have a reading comprhension problem? Check your first post on this thread, which everybody forgets after you've spun and spun this topic to the point no one knows what the hell you are talking about.

2008?

I've been looking at all the available FA's this summer and teams with little or no cap space...

The Spurs will make a move this offseason to get a talented SF either via trade, draft day trade, or attempting to sign one outright in a year there will be limited $$$ for FA.

So The Move is Udoka? Get the fuck out of here.

Pop and Holt will out manuever everyone.

They sure did. I'm still dazzled by their moves, aren't you?

I still say that Barry has a team option on the final year of his contract.

More BS

I'm not sure about Horry...but they also hold a team option on Bowen, and Finley and Oberto have player options they are likely to opt out of. You are talking substantial cap space.

And yet more BS

Spurs are going to wind up with lots of options this offseason and TimVP and MB will be exposed as haters without a cause lamely trying to get mileage out of old GhostWriter takes.

They might have had lots of options, they never acted on them. The smell of BS is pretty intense right about now.

In short...PWNAGE.

Yeah, pwnage alright, not the one you were thinking, though :lol

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