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Hook Dem
03-07-2007, 01:43 PM
A Warning For America From South Africa http://www.thenationalmessenger.com/writers/benariel/south-african-warning.htm

By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of parliament, still reside in South Africa.)

People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the " politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.

From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.

Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your possessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do. Do You?

Oh, Gee!!
03-07-2007, 01:47 PM
thanks for the White Nationalist propaganda

Hook Dem
03-07-2007, 01:55 PM
thanks for the White Nationalist propaganda
The American Indian did nothing about immigration! Look what that got him!

Oh, Gee!!
03-07-2007, 01:57 PM
The American Indian did nothing about immigration! Look what that got him!

pretty much got him what blacks got in South Africa when they couldn't deal with their immigration problem.

Oh, Gee!!
03-07-2007, 02:00 PM
funny that the Native American's and African's immigration problem was the same--white people.

ChumpDumper
03-07-2007, 04:36 PM
Hook, are you seriously posting some woman's pining for the good ol' days of apartheid?

clambake
03-07-2007, 04:58 PM
I will not comment on this subject until I hear from Ray.

JoeChalupa
03-07-2007, 07:55 PM
:lmao

boutons_
03-07-2007, 10:07 PM
She's only complaining because the SA blacks are killing a lot of SA whites.

If the SA blacks were killing only SA blacks, she'd be content.

SA is spiraling into chaos, overtaking World Champions USA for world highest murder rate.

I wouldn't be surprised of SA collapsed completely into black mayhem in a few years.

When I was down there a couple years ago, the whites told me they suspect the black police are totally compromised, and when all know how that is working out in Iraq.

whottt
03-07-2007, 10:38 PM
The problem with South Africa, like the problem with Mexico...too many fucking socialists.


Say what you want...but it doesn't work, insteading of eliminating classes it creates the absolute extreme class separation where a few individuals control nearly everthing in the country..

And these people always get elected the same way...

By preaching about the evil rich, how if elected they will take all the money, seize the industry and give it back to the people....so the people defacto sell themselve into slavery for a free educational system.

The class separation is so extreme and the have nots so outnumber the havs, that the government has to use it's military to supress it's own people.


Just keep an eye South Africa...it'll be military dictatorship within the next decade, it has to be you see, because it's got too many people that have not, and no place for them to go. Once it's wealth is completey squandered and all it's entrepreneurs have fled that's what it will be.


People can laugh all they want...but South Africa is in a serious decline since the end of apartheid.

And anyone that doesn't think it it's in a state of near total decay...is clueless.

The South Africans could have prevented it if perhaps they'd been a little less separatist with their black population...as it is, these folks were given separate and unequal education, they were just left, simply poor and wanting...and enough of them to become a major political movement.


This is true with Mexican immigration as well.

The Mexican culture and people are great...I just don't want the Mexican government coming with them. Bring the food, the women, some of the music, the love of family, and the loyalty, but leave that fucking corrupt socialist government and credo behind.

Anyone that tells you socialism can work is lying to you. Anyone that tells you they'll take care of you if you elect them to the government is lying to you. Well either lying, or stupid.

IF you want to bring that shit with you...the wall needs to go up. And that shit goes for Canda to. I actually think they are getting worse than Mexico now.

boutons_
03-07-2007, 11:17 PM
"creates the absolute extreme class separation where a few individuals control nearly everthing in the country.."

Just like rigged capitalism in USA. The concentration of wealth in the top 2% and the increase in millions in poverty in USA has been increasing, with no reversal in sight.

whottt
03-07-2007, 11:20 PM
boutons...you're an idiot.

whottt
03-07-2007, 11:29 PM
Migration rates:

South Africa - .16(per 1000)
Mexico - 4.28(per 1000)
USA + 3.68

The fact that South Africa actually has a negative immigration rate should tell you something about their government.



Go on fucktons, show us how smart you are...go live where they've got it all figured out, since obviously, America doesn't.

What an idiot.

whottt
03-07-2007, 11:32 PM
And PS: America doesn't have it's astronomical GNP and high standard of living because of it's fucking douchebag socialists...it's got that inspite of them.

whottt
03-07-2007, 11:33 PM
Definition of a socialist: Someone who can not survive on their own and hates anyone else that can.

whottt
03-07-2007, 11:45 PM
funny that the Native American's and African's immigration problem was the same--white people.

And what's South Africas problem now, Black People?

Call me a racist...I dare you.


Actually...their problem was a stagnant culture that left them at a technological disadvantage...and you left out the Mid-Eastern Culture once the Ottoman Empire ceased to be progressive and refused to acknowledge the rapidly advancing Western culture. Clinging to tradition in a rapidly changing world...kinda like America letting other countries do the Stem Cell Research.

The problem is that the Blacks in Africa and Native Americans got their asses kicked in warfare...that's their problem. Because they didn't have the ability to defend themselve inspite of superior numbers.



And please don't act like they were all sitting around singing Kumbaya with each other before the white people came.

Slavery and warfare were rampant on both continents before a white man ever stepped foot on them...and it's still rampant in Africa, to this day.

Sorry to fuck up your standard liberal talking points, but really, crack a book sometime if you are going to make these kind of points.

Aggie Hoopsfan
03-07-2007, 11:48 PM
"creates the absolute extreme class separation where a few individuals control nearly everthing in the country.."

Just like rigged capitalism in USA. The concentration of wealth in the top 2% and the increase in millions in poverty in USA has been increasing, with no reversal in sight.


Get a fucking job. Get off welfare. Damn.

boutons_
03-08-2007, 12:29 AM
"South Africas problem now, Black People?"

Of course. Just like every other African country where white invaders were replaced with blacks, SA is going to shit.

Socialism, you ignorant fuck? No, African black-ism.

African blacks have proven to be incapable of democratic self-government, very much like Muslim countries.

whottt
03-08-2007, 12:45 AM
"South Africas problem now, Black People?"

Of course. Just like every other African country where white invaders were replaced with blacks, SA is going to shit.

Socialism, you ignorant fuck? No, African black-ism.

African blacks have proven to be incapable of democratic self-government, very much like Muslim countries.


You really suck at sarcasm...stick to being an idiot.

Racism is a stupid concept...having a racial identity is a stupid concept.

Humans are all the same speices, hence the ability to breed with one another....quite simply there is no skill that one can master that the other cannot...despite thousands of years of environmental adaptation.

What happens in biocultural evolution is another thing entirely...

Or to put it another way...you can't just sit around eating fruit off trees when your ass is on a snowcovered mountain.

The World has changed and those that cling to the past and refuse to evolve and advance will move futher down the foodchain, those that view advancement and change as an evil will decline....and they will only get drug so far in the wake of those that are moving forward. Racial identity, electing officials on that basis and little else...is a backwards ass reasoning...as much as Racial Hatred is.

I know, but Bush is a step backwards...well, thinking you are so advanced you don't need to defend yourself proactively, and actually use your edge, is being too arrogant...Ask the British where that gets you.


And BTW, Muslim Countries may be incapable of Democratic Self Government...

But you arrogant prick, the orginal form of Democracy was invented in the mid-east. In what we now call Iraq not in Greece....how dare you say they can't do it. They can do it...it's just a matter of will they, and if they won't...their decline will continue. Kings can't rule 50 million people...


And BTW, socialism is probably the most primitive form of organized society, works great for 12 people...not for 200 million.

whottt
03-08-2007, 12:55 AM
white dogs can't jump, only black ones can

AFE7FATMAN
03-08-2007, 05:37 AM
Many will recall that on July 8, 1947 witnesses claimed that an unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and cattle ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico. This is a well known incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government. However, what you may not know is that in the month of March 1948, exactly nine months after that historic day, the following people were born:

Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.
Hillary Rodham
John F. Kerry
William Jefferson Clinton
Howard Dean
Nancy Pelosi
Dianne Feinstein
Charles E. Schumer
Barbara Boxer

All born in March 1948!!

See what happens when aliens breed with sheep? This piece of information may clear up a lot of things. :lol

smeagol
03-08-2007, 08:29 AM
That article made me wanna puke

ggoose25
03-08-2007, 10:26 AM
This article is disgusting, and the fact that the author uses a nom de plume should be a clue as to how loved she is in SA.

If we stopped illegal immigration from Mexico the first people that would be bitching about it would be white people who depend on them for cheap labor. Thats why you don't see Bush pushing hard for it. He is all about what is good for business, and frankly illegal immigration is not good for the American tax burden, but it sure as hell is good for American business.

boutons_
03-08-2007, 10:49 AM
What huge pile of irrelevant, pseudo-intellectual, posturing, simplistic shit by Whott-the-Fuck.

SA is going to hell because of poor, uneducated, uncultured, uncivilized, up-rooted blacks, the majority SA race, are turning to crime and violence, just like many poor immigrants everywhere.

xrayzebra
03-08-2007, 03:17 PM
funny that the Native American's and African's immigration problem was the same--white people.

OG, are white people you problem? Sounds as though it
is.

xrayzebra
03-08-2007, 03:18 PM
I ain't gonna play Sun City

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHiA568P6E


the land in question(SA) belonged to the "majority", aboriginal people that were there before honkeys invaded, they are restoring what was theirs to begin with.

America is different. honkeys, and mexicans(honkeys + natives) outnumbered native americans within 200 years after arriving in North America.

In SA, that never happened. honkeys were in the minority from the start and it never has changed.


So much for people who "think" they are informed. Think
maybe you should go back and do a "little" more research
before you start throwing out stupid statements.

whottt
03-08-2007, 04:12 PM
What huge pile of irrelevant, pseudo-intellectual, posturing, simplistic shit by Whott-the-Fuck.

SA is going to hell because of poor, uneducated, uncultured, uncivilized, up-rooted blacks, the majority SA race, are turning to crime and violence, just like many poor immigrants everywhere.



And that goes back to culture and education...

Having kids as a form of social security, having more than you can take care of and feed.

Could have been fixed if the White South African Racists, like yourself, hadn't considered the Blacks as lesser to begin with and therefore invalidated any cultural techonological advancement they might have wished to pass on.

They were divisive and racist and it bit them in the ass.

You're a racist boutons...

Of the worst kind.

The differences is in the so called races and cultures are caused by environment more than anything else.

The Black African Culture is largely one that didn't need technological advancement for survival....because of that, the pursuit of technological advancement was never something incorporated into the biolcultural evolution of Africans...

That's the cause, that's the difference, it's not that them blackies can't do it.

boutons_
03-08-2007, 04:21 PM
"Could have been fixed"

Africans, including the North Africans above the Sahara, have failed to run their own countries, 40+ years after the European colonizers turned the countries over to the indigenous. Stating that doesn't make me a racist.

Ancient Greeks have fuck all to with M/E Mustlim cultures of today. The Greeks provided some fundamental ideas for WESTERN culture. Cultures east of the Bosporus reflect very little almost none, of Greek ideas, which have been overwhelmed by Muslim culture.

whottt
03-08-2007, 04:50 PM
"

Africans, including the North Africans above the Sahara, have failed to run their own countries, 40+ years after the European colonizers turned the countries over to the indigenous. Stating that doesn't make me a racist.


40+ years? LMAO. You are stupider than I thought.

It's good to see that you finally agree with me on Europe turning just about every country they colonized inti a complete muslim or commie shithole though...

So then...why were you wanting to tongue Europe's ass along with Kerry in 04?


Must be because you are completely ignorant of European Colonial Practices...


They don't get it, they've never gotten it...they don't get Populism, they don't get Democracy. And since they invented the entire concept of intelligence classification based on skin color...you can kinda see why their former colonies weren't in any big hurry to embrace their culture.




Ancient Greeks have fuck all to with M/E Mustlim cultures of today.

No shit?


The Greeks provided some fundamental ideas for WESTERN culture. Cultures east of the Bosporus reflect very little almost none, of Greek ideas, which have been overwhelmed by Muslim culture.


Douchebag...the Mesopotamians taught the Macedonians, Romans, Greeks how to wipe their ass in their first place. They also taught them how to read write and talk.


And no shit that Muslim culture is fucked up...

Ironically it's a culture and religion that was imposed on them...not one that they themselves embraced.

Even more ironically...pretty much fucks up your entire anti-war stance that they can't be beaten by warfare...and that it only creates more of them.

It's false, it's ignorant of history. It's ignorant of how the current mid-east leaders stay in power.


You are racist boutons...and you are a dumb one at that.


You are the guy that says a black man can't be a quarterback...or that a white guy can't jump.


That's the ultimate in stupidity and you are begging to be proved an idiot.


Great take, Rush.

Extra Stout
03-08-2007, 05:12 PM
I ain't gonna play Sun City

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHiA568P6E


the land in question(SA) belonged to the "majority", aboriginal people that were there before honkeys invaded, they are restoring what was theirs to begin with.

America is different. honkeys, and mexicans(honkeys + natives) outnumbered native americans within 200 years after arriving in North America.

In SA, that never happened. honkeys were in the minority from the start and it never has changed.
Um, wrong. Following the Texas Revolution, San Antonio was dominated by Anglos and Germans until 1910.

whottt
03-08-2007, 05:35 PM
Um, wrong. Following the Texas Revolution, San Antonio was dominated by Anglos and Germans until 1910.


Um...

SA=South Africa, not San Antonio, in that sentence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIK0kzhEJzM

sabar
03-09-2007, 03:13 AM
European colonization destroyed all of Africa. It doesn't matter that they gave the country back to the people. White farmers still own the land and export the food back to Europe today. They still hold vital positions in government offices with Europe/US in mind. Unfortunately they won't become developed countries until they riot and kill all those people, and when they do, some international force cuts them down.

It's a horrible cycle with no solution in sight. They haven't failed to run their own countries, they still haven't had the opportunity.

The world is still bleeding from the age of imperialism. whottt is dead on too about the obsession with socialism.

And boutons, the poverty rate still hasn't deviated far from the normal so don't try to pass off the US as some soon-to-be 3rd world country with 80% of the population in poverty and a 10% literacy rate. Fact is, this is the most affluent nation on the earth. Even most people in the United States that live below the poverty line own a house or pay rent to live somewhere. They own a car or have transportation and they make enough to feed themselves. When the people below the poverty line mostly have no place to live and starve to death, then you can say capitialism has failed.

boutons_
03-09-2007, 09:10 AM
"they still haven't had the opportunity"

Mugabe is running Zimbabwe, into the ground. Most of the best land has been confiscated from the whites and given to the blacks, who have fucked it up.

Nigerians run Nigeria, it's fucked.

West Africans run the French West African countries, they're fucked.

The French are out of Algeria for 45+ years, Algeria's fucked in civil war, and now actively exporting fundamentalism to Tunisia and Morocco.

etc, etc, etc. Name one African country where the Europeans are running the country? Any Europeans still there and still running anything are doing it right. When the blacks take over an operation (farm, factory, mine, etc), it's dying or dead within a couple years.

There is no doubt that the Europeans raped Africa for natural resources. Europeans created a lot of wealth and infrastructure within Africa, too. After 40+ years of blacks taking over that infrastructure, it's a mess. I never said that "can't" (genetically) do it, it's just that they aren't doing it.

America's poverty? http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-30-census-poverty_x.htm

"socialism" ? It's not the old textbook, formal, theoretical Socialism. In the poor countries, it's codeword for kleptocracy by the government-du-jour plutocrats, with no benefits for society.

And corruption-ism at all levels is a much bigger problem than socialism or any other -ism.

"When the people below the poverty line mostly have no place to live and starve to
death, then you can say capitialism has failed."

Typical. Capitalism is working great, by your extremely low standards.