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mabber
03-08-2007, 09:42 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/ian_thomsen/03/07/mavs.dominance/index.html?eref=writers

A cut above
How are the Mavs this good? Let us count the ways
Posted: Wednesday March 7, 2007 11:38AM; Updated: Wednesday March 7, 2007 3:12PM


In snubbing Josh Howard last month, the Western Conference coaches agreed: The Dallas Mavericks' only All-Star is Dirk Nowitzki. Though NBA commissioner David Stern eventually amended their vote by appointing Howard to the All-Star Game, the fact remains that this is a team that let two-time MVP Steve Nash walk, that has one of the least-experienced coaches in the league, and that is trying to play defense with a roster of players acquired for offense. So how has this eclectic group won its last 16 games to run away with the best record in the regular season? Here's how:

1. Dirk Nowitzki is the league MVP.

Based on current trends, Nowitzki will edge Nash -- his friend, former teammate and two-time defending MVP -- for the top award in basketball for three reasons: 1) His Mavs are the dominant team in the league; 2) He is surrounded by complementary players, rather than All-Star scorers like Nash's teammates Amaré Stoudemire and Shawn Marion; and 3) He has learned from Nash how to carry a team by knitting it closely together.

Mavs president Donnie Nelson has charted Nowitzki's progress since he was the No. 9 pick of the 1998 draft.

"He's had to drastically change his game on a number of occasions,'' Nelson says. "When he first came over, he was a finesse '4,' a pick-and-pop guy playing with Steve Nash. Stevie made a lot of his looks pretty easy.

"Then Stevie goes to Phoenix, and that wasn't just a basketball blow. That was a personal-friendship, motivational-buddy kind of blow as well. We didn't know how Dirk would come out of it and react, and if he was being honest he'd probably say the same thing. So he had to be The Man overnight. We put the ball in his hands a lot more, and asked him to make last-second shots and passing decisions as opposed to being the recipient.''

When coach Don Nelson was replaced by Avery Johnson in March 2005, Nowitzki learned more new tricks.

"He had to reinvent his game again with Avery, who was using him in a traditional way,'' Donnie Nelson says. "He was posting Dirk more, and putting more emphasis on the defensive side of the ball as a rebounder and shot-blocker, and he was asking Dirk to attack the offensive glass. These were things Dirk wasn't used to doing. But it seemed whatever grocery list of items we needed this guy to do, he ended up doing them and then some.''

How many finesse players become top 20 rebounders? How many perimeter players have the nerve to develop their game in the post? How many finishers turn themselves into playmakers? Nowitzki has learned the NBA game backward. The more celebrated he's become as a scorer, the more willingly he's taken on the dirty work as his team has needed it.

The Mavericks' torrid start (which is sixth best in league history), their 11-0 record in the second half of back-to-back games, and their 21-6 record on the road (a winning percentage of .778 that is superior to any team's record overall) is proof that Nowitzki at 28 has become the most effective leader in the league. He posts dominant numbers without exerting a dominating personality. He sets an example of hard work that defines the roster from top to bottom, while his humility creates an environment that allows teammates to express themselves in the locker room and on the court. In the crucial moments, Nowitzki is there to knock down sensational threes or fallaway jumpers that look routine in a Larry Bird sort of way.

"He is the same guy today as when I bought the team,'' owner Mark Cuban says. "There is never an element of himself over the team: He trusts his coach, the system and his teammates. His focus is on always learning, whether it's a new part of his game or watching tape or reading books to become a better student of the game.''

2. Avery Johnson has installed the Spurs' tempo.

The Don Nelson days of trying to get up a good shot as quickly as possible have been replaced by a more traditional approach straight out of the Gregg Popovich school. Johnson -- a cum laude graduate of the Popovich academy -- pushes the ball across half-court in search of easy baskets. When the fast break isn't available, the Mavs execute an efficient half-court offense that often uses up much of the allotted 24 seconds.

The Mavs are not quite their prolific former selves, but they still post 100.4 points (No. 9 in the league) while shooting 46.6 percent (No. 5) and -- most important -- controlling tempo. The spacing and balance of their offense helps them get back into the proper defensive positions. The result is fewer points in transition and game-breaking runs for opponents.

But Johnson's impact has been more than strategic. He had been an assistant for less than five months when he took over for Nelson two years ago. The story of his Horatio Alger career -- as a routinely waived scrub who quarterbacked the Spurs to their first championship, in 1999 -- helps the Mavs believe that they too can become the best in the NBA.

"Mark and I obviously felt good about the ingredients. How could you not?'' Donnie Nelson says. "Avery's got the skins, he knows how to communicate, he's an incredible motivator, he has all the intangibles, the bench demeanor -- from a style standpoint he was the perfect fit. We felt it was a really good hire, but we still didn't know he was going to be this good this fast. We thought it would be the usual -- the first couple of years you take your lumps, then eventually you expand your game; you know, just the normal NBA way. But Avery hit the ground running and never looked back.''

3. Josh Howard is the new Scottie Pippen.

The 6-7 swingman is capable of guarding every position but center. Opponents complain about his defensive tactics. "Howard is a bit of a cheap guy who does things like tripping players going through screens,'' says an opposing team's scout. "He has a little edge and he's not afraid to throw some dirtiness into the game.''

It is the ultimate suggestion of respect when opponents use terms normally associated with Bruce Bowen.

But Howard is more resemblant of Pippen as a cohesive force at both ends of the court. He provides the fight and discipline the Mavs have long needed defensively while also contributing offensively. He's their No. 2 scorer with 19 points a game while adding seven rebounds and serving as a frontcourt playmaker.

But his defense is the key. Several years ago, when it was becoming clear that the Mavs would never go anywhere without improving their defense, assistant coach Del Harris stressed that Don Nelson was taking the proper course in turning one of the league's worst franchises into a contender: Establish the offense first, then fill in the defense later. Howard, the No. 29 pick of the 2003 draft, has been the key piece: The Mavs are ranked higher defensively -- No. 3 in opponents' scoring (92.2 ppg) -- than offensively.

4. Jason Terry has found a (winning) home.

Nowitzki is the Mavs' foundation in the fourth quarter when every possession is crucial, but the offense remains balanced because of pressure-treated gunners like Terry. He has the courage, quickness and depth to hit the big threes that spread the floor for Nowitzki and others.

Terry had been written off by other teams as a stats guy who produced hollow numbers while losing night after night with Atlanta. Those numbers have dropped slightly in Dallas, but their impact has increased exponentially. He may not be a true point guard, but who cares? He leads the league's best team in assists (5.4 assists) and is the Mavs' No. 3 scorer (16.3 ppg).

5. Devin Harris has grown up.

Nash's 2004 departure put pressure on the development of Harris, who was entering his rookie year at the time. After three years of hearing Johnson berate him, the 6-3 point guard is ready to help lead Dallas to a championship.

While the Mavs don't need Harris to be the comprehensive point guard that Nash was, they do rely on his ability to stretch and puncture defenses with his slashing drives and his ever-improving court vision.

"He is on his way to becoming a Kevin Johnson-like finisher,'' Cuban says. "Devin is a matchup nightmare when he and Jet [Terry] are on the court. No one has two defenders who can stay in front of both of them.''

Per Johnson's instructions, Harris has applied his athleticism to the defensive end while becoming one of the best guards in the league at fighting through screens.

"I challenge anyone to find a point guard who has taken as many charges from other points as Devin has,'' adds Cuban. "Last week he let AI [Allen Iverson] run him over three times. If DH has a problem, it's that refs don't believe how quick he is defensively. He gets more blocks that should have been charges than anyone in the league. He should be All-Defensive team this year, no question about it.''

6. The 0-4 start grabbed their attention.

It's hard to remember back to the first week in November when Dallas lost to San Antonio, Houston, Golden State and the Clippers. In combination with their collapse against Miami in the NBA Finals, the Mavs were suffering an eight-game losing streak that raised doubts about whether they could recover from their June hangover.

Now that start looks like one of the main reasons that the Mavs have gone a stunning 51-5 since. It snapped everyone awake and created a sense of urgency that is paying off to this day.

"We were talking about this the other night, that usually every team has five or six throwaway games,'' says Nelson. "Except for that first game against the Warriors at home [a 107-104 loss Nov. 6], I'm hard-pressed to think of one more game we lost that we shouldn't have lost. Overachieving is an expectation for Avery.''

Some of the league's finest champions benefited from hard losses -- the 1982-84 Lakers lost a pair of devastating NBA Finals before winning three of the next four titles, while Isiah Thomas' Pistons and Michael Jordan's Bulls suffered for years while working their way up to championship status. In a few months, the Mavs will try to follow those examples and finish what they've started.

7. They are hungry to fulfill themselves.

"I've always thought with this team that we're like the Island of Misfit Toys,'' Nelson says. "You've got Dirk, who we thought of as a top three guy but he slid all way to No. 9. Jet is a guy who, from what everybody says, can't play the point. Sagana Diop we picked up off the scrap heap; [Erick] Dampier was an 'underachiever.' Stack [Jerry Stackhouse] was seen as a troublemaker thrown in to that trade [to acquire the draft rights to Harris]. You've got this locker room full of guys who have been looking for a place to fit in, and here they are.''

And they all realize that they need each other to succeed.

8. They're getting production and size from the center position.

Dampier and Diop are combining to average 9.8 points, 12.7 rebounds and 2.5 blocks at a total salary of $11.6 million this season, which in this era of declining center production is a fair bargain.

"Rebounding keys our fast break,'' Cuban says. "The Suns are the only team that can fast-break a made basket. Our centers are getting anywhere from 54 percent to 57 percent of contested rebounds -- that's top three in the league. They also are near the top in points per screen set. So they are productive in many ways most people don't follow.''

9. Jerry Stackhouse embraces his sixth-man role.

At 32, Stackhouse is the oldest player on the team. He provides toughness off the bench and leadership of the second unit. His time with Dallas has defined Stackhouse much as Bob McAdoo was defined by his championship years with the Lakers.

"Stack has the respect of everybody in the league, and he's one of the toughest-minded people I've ever been around,'' Nelson says. "He gives us that sixth-man punch, but it's not just the basketball stuff that he brings: He's one of those cold-blooded killer types, and he's really important to the mind-set and makeup of our team.''

10. They made no major changes to their roster.

The Mavs have a record of annually reshaping their roster, but last summer they took a more subtle approach by upgrading the bench without disrupting the chemistry. Newcomers Devean George, Greg Buckner and Austin Croshere filled existing roles but at a higher level than their predecessors. Only the Spurs can approach the depth of the Mavericks' roster.

"We did not want to touch our core,'' Nelson says. "Out here we lock up with [Tracy] McGrady and Kobe Bryant and [Manu] Ginobili, and the list goes on of guys who are 6-6 to 6-8 who are superhuman All-Star players. Especially coming off the heels of Dwyane Wade having his way with us in the Finals, we thought it was really important to get guys like Greg Buckner and Devean George who could defend some of those positions and keep some of those guys in front of us. We also wanted to target players who had made Finals runs, and three of the guys we acquired this past summer had had Finals experience.''

11. They've been lucky with injuries.

While other teams -- the Heat and Lakers most notably -- have been depleted by injuries, the Mavs' top six scorers have missed a total of 24 games. Howard was absent for 10, and George returned Tuesday after missing seven games with a sprained right knee. The fact that the Mavs are a relatively young team undoubtedly contributes to their health -- though Miami would point out that Wade is young too.

12. Cuban remains in charge.

While he may appear to have been less vocal since the NBA Finals, when he was fined $250,000 by the league for outbursts following his team's Game 5 loss in overtime, Cuban insists that he hasn't changed his approach to running the Mavs.

"I track the same things, follow the same things,'' he says. "Nothing really is any different on my part. People forget that I hadn't been fined for several years up until the Finals. I also think since we have played well, I'm just not being questioned as much. The Nash, [Michael] Finley, Nellie what-if questions are gone as people realize that we have a decent team and Avery is doing such a great job.''

Of the top payroll teams, only the Mavs are getting production equal to the investment. It's because Cuban spends time around his players, demands accountability and knows how to relate to them.

"Very few owners can function the way Mark functions,'' Nelson says. "To a lot of our guys he's considered a peer because their interests are similar. With a lot of the owners, there's a generation gap. After games you can see our guys come over to chest-bump him, high-five him. How many owners would show up in jeans and a Mavs T-shirt? How many players would feel comfortable chest-bumping them after the game? More than anything he understands what makes players tick in the modern day, and I think the players appreciate that.''

traitoravery
03-08-2007, 01:20 PM
Isn't there a MAvtalk.com or something for posts like these.... :shootme :shootme :shootme

mabber
03-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Isn't there a MAvtalk.com or something for posts like these.... :shootme :shootme :shootme

Really just posted it since there were some references to the Spurs & even an ex-Sun player in it. Also, thought this guy made a lot of sense in regards to why Dallas was playing well this season. I've read & disagreed with several Spurs fans with their take on why Dallas is playing better and figured that maybe they should read this.

adrienne
03-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Yeah, and isn't there an NBA forum on spurstalk where fans as other teams, such as the Mavericks, can post articles and discuss their team? Oh, wait...

sandman
03-08-2007, 01:29 PM
11. They've been lucky with injuries.

12. Cuban remains in charge.



#11 has been undervalued in their success this year as much as #12 has been overvalued.

Because #10 was all about keeping their roster intact, this team for the most part is essentially the same team with which Nellie could not win. IMO, Avery should get 10x more credit than Cuban for what this team has accomplished.

mabber
03-08-2007, 01:31 PM
#11 has been undervalued in their success this year as much as #12 has been overvalued.

Because #10 was all about keeping their roster intact, this team for the most part is essentially the same team with which Nellie could not win. IMO, Avery should get 10x more credit than Cuban for what this team has accomplished.

Won't argue with you there and Avery is getting most of the credit as it is.

mardigan
03-08-2007, 02:11 PM
As much as I hate Cuban I got to give him credit with what he has done putting this team together. (Although Nelson played a big part as well)

mabber
03-08-2007, 02:25 PM
As much as I hate Cuban I got to give him credit with what he has done putting this team together. (Although Nelson played a big part as well)

Some people might not have known that Cuban did ask Nellie to coach more defense during Nellie's last 2 seasons. At least Cuban knew enough to realize that the Mavs weren't going to seriously compete for a title until they started emphasizing defense.

itzsoweezee
03-08-2007, 02:51 PM
5. Devin Harris has grown up.

"He is on his way to becoming a Kevin Johnson-like finisher,'' Cuban says. "Devin is a matchup nightmare when he and Jet [Terry] are on the court. No one has two defenders who can stay in front of both of them.''



wasn't the devin harris myth busted a long time ago? devin harris is a wannabe tony parker.

and lol at the cuban quote. that guy is seriously delusional.

mabber
03-08-2007, 04:00 PM
wasn't the devin harris myth busted a long time ago? devin harris is a wannabe tony parker.

and lol at the cuban quote. that guy is seriously delusional.

What myth might that beat?

big3bigD
03-08-2007, 04:12 PM
wasn't the devin harris myth busted a long time ago? devin harris is a wannabe tony parker.

and lol at the cuban quote. that guy is seriously delusional.

The only similarities between the two are that they are both fast and both like to drive to the basket. Both need work on their jumpshot also. Parker is a better scorer and Harris is a MUCH better defender, and they both play different roles on their team.

what tony has that I'm sure Harris wants is ring(S).

mabber
03-08-2007, 04:15 PM
The only similarities between the two are that they are both fast and both like to drive to the basket. Both need work on their jumpshot also. Parker is a better scorer and Harris is a MUCH better defender, and they both play different roles on their team.

what tony has that I'm sure Harris wants is ring(S).

You pretty much nailed it on all accounts.

ponky
03-08-2007, 04:19 PM
meh, lucky with injuries? jho (12), stack (13) and devean (17) have missed a combined 42 games and we have mbenga out for the season, granted a third-string but still, he would've seen some time if only for the fouls. anyway, we are lucky about these injuries in the sense that these three guys will be fresher for the time they sat out and their injuries are not season-ending but there is another team that has been luckier when it comes to injuries....the spurs (parker at 3, manu at 5, barry at 2), elson's the only main guy with significant time out at 11 games, still less than jho, stack or devean

big3bigD
03-08-2007, 04:21 PM
meh, lucky with injuries? jho (12), stack (13) and devean (17) have missed a combined 42 games and we have mbenga out for the season, granted a third-string but still, he would've seen some time if only for the fouls. anyway, we are lucky about these injuries in the sens that these three guys will be fresher for the time they sat out and their injuries are not season-ending but there is another team that has been luckier when it comes to injuries....the spurs (parker at 3, manu at 5, barry at 2), elson's the only main guy with significant time out at 11 games, still less than jho, stack or devean

Then there's also Buckner, who is playing, but has been injured for a while also

Dirk Nowitzki
03-08-2007, 04:23 PM
:depressed :depressed I am really going to feel emotional pain in my heart if my boys are unable to handle last years demons when they return in May. I just hope we are ready to face last years demons and get over that hump! As much as I have had so much fun this year, I need to be convinced come May. I truly believe in my heart they can do it, but it is a matter of if they do it! I hate waiting!! :madrun

ponky
03-08-2007, 04:26 PM
:depressed :depressed I am really going to feel emotional pain in my heart if my boys are unable to handle last years demons when they return in May. I just hope we are ready to face last years demons and get over that hump! As much as I have had so much fun this year, I need to be convinced come May. I truly believe in my heart they can do it, but it is a matter of if they do it! I hate waiting!! :madrun

it will be a big letdown if they can't BUT they have given us no reason or indication why they wouldn't be able to get it done. as long as they play hard throughout the entire playoffs, from one round to the next, that's all i want....and a ring but hey, the west is tough...i hope they do it though, there's a group of us getting tats if they pull it off

mabber
03-08-2007, 04:29 PM
Then there's also Buckner, who is playing, but has been injured for a while also

I don't think a lot of Spurs fans (and fans of other teams) realize how much better DGeorge and Buckner have made the Mavs. They just throw out shooting %'s and think the Mavs have downgraded from Griffin & Daniels. I guess you just have to watch all the games to realize the improvement.

Dirk Nowitzki
03-08-2007, 04:30 PM
it will be a big letdown if they can't BUT they have given us no reason or indication why they wouldn't be able to get it done. as long as they play hard throughout the entire playoffs, from one round to the next, that's all i want....and a ring but hey, the west is tough...i hope they do it though, there's a group of us getting tats if they pull it off


I just am paranoid right now. :lol :lol Plus I need to lead the charge for the playoffs!! :elephant

ponky
03-08-2007, 04:32 PM
I don't think a lot of Spurs fans (and fans of other teams) realize how much better DGeorge and Buckner have made the Mavs. They just throw out shooting %'s and think the Mavs have downgraded from Griffin & Daniels. I guess you just have to watch all the games to realize the improvement.

yup, DGeorge and Buckner are very key components to our team...sometimes people don't always realize it too because we just keep winning with george out and with buckner playing limited minutes since his injury. the best thing about the game for me the other night was seeing george back on the court.

ponky
03-08-2007, 04:34 PM
I just am paranoid right now. :lol :lol Plus I need to lead the charge for the playoffs!! :elephant

lol, i'm paranoid too but i think it's mostly because i just want the playoffs to get started already. it will help my mood when we play the suns next week,i expect a crazy game and a win, no less.

Dirk Nowitzki
03-08-2007, 04:34 PM
yup, DGeorge and Buckner are very key components to our team...sometimes people don't always realize it too because we just keep winning with george out and with buckner playing limited minutes since his injury. the best thing about the game for me the other night was seeing george back on the court.
I just wish we could sign another 7 footer with 6 fouls to give!
:madrun Very good chance we will see Yao in the 2nd round and this team could use another bigman with 6 extra fouls!

big3bigD
03-08-2007, 04:36 PM
I don't think a lot of Spurs fans (and fans of other teams) realize how much better DGeorge and Buckner have made the Mavs. They just throw out shooting %'s and think the Mavs have downgraded from Griffin & Daniels. I guess you just have to watch all the games to realize the improvement.

I think that George's impact has been especially underrated this season. He was really into a nice groove with this team before he went down. I think that he is the Mavs X factor during the playoffs in several ways (him and Harris). I'm sure that people are going to kill that statement on this board, but George is doing a little bit of everything and his defensive versitility allows the Mavs to him in almost any lineup that they put out there. He also hits just enough three's to really help space the floor out on offense. Not to mention all of the hustle plays...Everyone knows what the Mavs need to get out of JET, Dirk, and Howard, but when guys like George, Buck, and Damp are playing well, this is a difficult team to beat.

mabber
03-08-2007, 04:36 PM
I just wish we could sign another 7 footer with 6 fouls to give!
:madrun Very good chance we will see Yao in the 2nd round and this team could use another bigman with 6 extra fouls!

I agree. I know their plan is to use up Croshere's fouls if need be but he won't be able to come close to covering Yao. Yao & Shaq are the only two guys where the Mavs really need that 3rd center.

mabber
03-08-2007, 04:38 PM
I think that George's impact has been especially underrated this season. He was really into a nice groove with this team before he went down. I think that he is the Mavs X factor during the playoffs in several ways (him and Harris). I'm sure that people are going to kill that statement on this board, but George is doing a little bit of everything and his defensive versitility allows the Mavs to him in almost any lineup that they put out there. He also hits just enough three's to really help space the floor out on offense. Not to mention all of the hustle plays...Everyone knows what the Mavs need to get out of JET, Dirk, and Howard, but when guys like George, Buck, and Damp are playing well, this is a difficult team to beat.

People just point to his shooting % but his shooting hasn't been bad the last couple of months. He just started off very slowly. Plus, he seems to have the knack of hitting "big" 3 pt shots.

big3bigD
03-08-2007, 04:45 PM
People just point to his shooting % but his shooting hasn't been bad the last couple of months. He just started off very slowly. Plus, he seems to have the knack of hitting "big" 3 pt shots.

His shooting % is irrelevant to what the Mavs need him to do though. They just need opponents to respect that shot enough to keep somebody on or near him, which they do. Even if he is shooting a poor overall % number, he still makes defenses play him while he is out there. Lay off of him and he will hit some of those big shots that you mentioned....

Viva Las Espuelas
03-08-2007, 04:59 PM
, there's a group of us getting tats if they pull it offnow that's really gay. and yes punky I'd say it to spurs fans if they do the same thing.

ponky
03-08-2007, 05:16 PM
now that's really gay. and yes punky I'd say it to spurs fans if they do the same thing.

why? i already have some tats, this will go in the same place so it's no big deal, viva las estupidas

JMarkJohns
03-09-2007, 10:55 AM
It was a good article. I agree with everything, except the Scottie Pippen/Josh Howard comparison. He's good, but he's not the floor general Pippen was. He slashes and generates much more offense for himself than for others. His ability to do so while being able to hit jumpers allows lanes to open as defenders can't slack off, but he's certainly not at Pippens' level for creating offense.

Also, Harris may "finish" like KJ, but he's got a LOOONNNNGGGG way to go to ever validate such a comparison. In his second year in the League KJ was 20+ ppg and 12+ apg on over 50% from the field - good enough for All-NBA 2nd Team honors. This is Harris' third year and he's barely a starter.

Overall, however, a very good and informative piece.

mabber
03-09-2007, 11:07 AM
It was a good article. I agree with everything, except the Scottie Pippen/Josh Howard comparison. He's good, but he's not the floor general Pippen was. He slashes and generates much more offense for himself than for others. His ability to do so while being able to hit jumpers allows lanes to open as defenders can't slack off, but he's certainly not at Pippens' level for creating offense.

Also, Harris may "finish" like KJ, but he's got a LOOONNNNGGGG way to go to ever validate such a comparison. In his second year in the League KJ was 20+ ppg and 12+ apg on over 50% from the field - good enough for All-NBA 2nd Team honors. This is Harris' third year and he's barely a starter.

Overall, however, a very good and informative piece.

I don't think he was comparing Harris to KJ's overall game, just in his ability to get to the basket and "finish" the play. He's not near the player that KJ was and I doubt he'll ever be.

JMarkJohns
03-09-2007, 11:21 AM
I don't think he was comparing Harris to KJ's overall game, just in his ability to get to the basket and "finish" the play. He's not near the player that KJ was and I doubt he'll ever be.

Yeah... I just wanted to make sure it was out there. It's not the first time I've heard the comparison. I like Harris. Quality guard with potential. Perhaps more potential than the current Mavericks system allows him to show/develop. KJ was a devastating player and my post on the matter was more in defense of anything KJ being likened with anything Devin Harris, even if the comparision twixt the two was a compliment to KJ's ability.

KJ was my favorite player and someone I've met on several different occasions. He's as good a person as he was a player. I have never felt he got the due he deserved, so I don't like it when his name is thrown out lightly. He should be in HOF talks, but never is. He's the forgotten great of his generation.

Guess I'm a little jumpy.

I should work on it :)

"Magic Johnson and Kevin Johnson: two of the greatest PGs who have ever played this game..."
- Chick Hearn

Chris Paul is the closest thing to KJ, though he's not nearly as explosive. He's a post-surgery version of KJ. Still great, just not as much so...

No offense intended toward Harris. Wanted the Suns to draft him at #7 that year before the Mavericks draft-day acquisition.

mabber
03-09-2007, 11:23 AM
Yeah... I just wanted to make sure it was out there. It's not the first time I've heard the comparison. I like Harris. Quality guard with potential. Perhaps more potential than the current Mavericks system allows him to show/develop. KJ was a devastating player and my post on the matter was more in defense of anything KJ being likened with anything Devin Harris, even if the comparision twixt the two was a compliment to KJ's ability.

KJ was my favorite player and someone I've met on several different occasions. He's as good a person as he was a player. I have never felt he got the due he deserved, so I don't like it when his name is thrown out lightly. He should be in HOF talks, but never is. He's the forgotten great of his generation.

Guess I'm a little jumpy.

I should work on it :)

"Magic Johnson and Kevin Johnson: two of the greatest PGs who have ever played this game..."
- Chick Hearn

Chris Paul is the closest thing to KJ, though he's not nearly as explosive. He's a post-surgery version of KJ. Still great, just not as much so...

No offense intended toward Harris. Wanted the Suns to draft him at #7 that year before the Mavericks draft-day acquisition.

I was always a big fan of KJ's. I really enjoyed watching him play.

monosylab1k
03-09-2007, 11:36 AM
KJ was my favorite player and someone I've met on several different occasions. He's as good a person as he was a player. I have never felt he got the due he deserved, so I don't like it when his name is thrown out lightly. He should be in HOF talks, but never is. He's the forgotten great of his generation.

All very true. KJ is a legend but lots of people don't seem to view him that way. And as much as I love Devin, he'll never come close to KJ's greatness.

JMarkJohns
03-09-2007, 12:26 PM
It's his own fault really, being so quiet, good-natured and unassuming as both a person and player. If only he would have been more showy, pompous or controversial he'd probably be remembered as a better player. It's stupid, but true.

I once was in a discussion about the greatest PG's of the 90's with a group of sportswriters and all were floored when I brought up his stats. They couldn't believe how much better his offensive numbers were when compared to the likes of Tim Hardaway and Gary Payton. Not to say the prior didn't have his own injuries that ravaged a potential HOF career, but KJ was better. Not as dynamic or exciting, but better.

Why didn they not realize? He was the antagonizer on the court that either were. He didn't get in trouble off it. He wasn't flashy or showy. Wasn't all about his numbers either.

Of course, I wouldn't have wanted him to be. Just wish his injuries would have come a few years later. After he'd cemented a HOF legacy.

JMarkJohns
03-09-2007, 12:27 PM
Also, it wasn't my intention to hijack this quality thread on the Mavericks. It's a good thread. It should be set back on course.

mabber
03-09-2007, 12:54 PM
It's his own fault really, being so quiet, good-natured and unassuming as both a person and player. If only he would have been more showy, pompous or controversial he'd probably be remembered as a better player. It's stupid, but true.

I once was in a discussion about the greatest PG's of the 90's with a group of sportswriters and all were floored when I brought up his stats. They couldn't believe how much better his offensive numbers were when compared to the likes of Tim Hardaway and Gary Payton. Not to say the prior didn't have his own injuries that ravaged a potential HOF career, but KJ was better. Not as dynamic or exciting, but better.

Why didn they not realize? He was the antagonizer on the court that either were. He didn't get in trouble off it. He wasn't flashy or showy. Wasn't all about his numbers either.

Of course, I wouldn't have wanted him to be. Just wish his injuries would have come a few years later. After he'd cemented a HOF legacy.

He also had that awesome dunk. I don't recall the exact circumstances of it but I remember him coming down the baseline and throwing down over someone. It was AWESOME!

JMarkJohns
03-09-2007, 01:32 PM
He also had that awesome dunk. I don't recall the exact circumstances of it but I remember him coming down the baseline and throwing down over someone. It was AWESOME!

It was late fourth-quarter in game seven of the '95 semifinals. Kenny Smith forced Johnson baseline, cutting off his passing lane. Hakeem was waiting for KJ to turn the corner, only, rather than do so, stop and pull up for a contested jumper, KJ turned the corner, drove hard to the basket and, to Olajuwan's dismay, elevated and threw down, "baptizing" Hakeem, as Shaq would later put it. A vicious one-handed cram on Olajuwan's mug.

I was fifteen or so and went freakin' nuts. They lost the game and the series, at home none-the-less. It was KJ's last chance at a Title and they just couldn't best them Rockets.

That play stands out to me because it's my all-time favorite player in KJ dunking on my all-time favorite post player in Hakeem. You can "youtube" search for video of it. I'd post it, but, ya know... :nope