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Nbadan
11-17-2004, 04:53 PM
Despite mainstream media attempts to kill the story, talk radio and the Internet are abuzz with suggestions that John Kerry was elected president on Nov. 2 – but Republican election officials made it difficult for millions of Democrats to vote while employees of four secretive, GOP-bankrolled corporations rigged electronic voting machines and then hacked central tabulating computers to steal the election for George W. Bush.

The Bush administration's "fix" of the 2000 election debacle (the Help America Vote Act) made crooked elections considerably easier, by foisting paperless electronic voting on states before the bugs had been worked out or meaningful safeguards could be installed.

Crying foul this time around isn't just the province of whiny Democrats. Consider that The Wall Street Journal recently revealed that "Verified Voting, a group formed by a Stanford University professor to assess electronic voting, has collected 31,000 reports of election fraud and other problems."

University of Pennsylvania researcher Dr. Steven Freeman, in his November 2004 paper "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," says that the odds that the discrepancies between predicted [exit poll] results and actual vote counts in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania could have been due to chance or random error are 250 million to 1. "Systematic fraud or mistabulation is a premature conclusion," writes Freeman, "but the election's unexplained exit poll discrepancies make it an unavoidable hypothesis, one that is the responsibility of the media, academia, polling agencies, and the public to investigate." Unlike Europe, where citizens count the ballots, in the United States employees of a highly secretive Republican-leaning company, ES&S, managed every aspect of the 2004 election. That included everything from registering voters, printing ballots and programming voting machines to tabulating votes (often with armed guards keeping the media and members of the public who wished to witness the count at bay) and reporting the results, for 60 million voters in 47 states, according to Christopher Bollyn, writing in American Free Press. Most other votes were counted by three other firms that are snugly in bed with the GOP.

This election is not the first suspicious venture into electronic voting. In Georgia, in November 2002, Democratic Gov. Roy Barnes led by 11 percent and Democratic Sen. Max Cleland was in front by 5 percent just before the election – the first ever conducted entirely on touch-screen electronic machines, and counted entirely by company employees, rather than public officials – but mysterious election-day swings of 16 percent and 12 percent defeated both of these popular incumbents. In Minnesota, Democrat Walter Mondale (replacing beloved Sen. Paul Wellstone, who died in a plane crash), lost in an amazing last-moment 11 percent vote swing recorded on electronic machines. Then, in 2003, what's known as "black box voting" helped Arnold Schwarzenegger – who had deeply offended female, Latino and Jewish voters – defeat a popular Latino Democrat who substantially led in polls a week before the election.

A RAT IS SMELLED

Realizing that the 2004 election results are suspect, many prominent people and groups have begun to demand action. Recently, six important Congressmen, including three on the House Judiciary Committee, asked the U.S. Comptroller General to investigate the efficacy of new electronic voting devices.

Black Box Voting – the nonprofit group which spearheaded much of the pre-election testing (and subsequent criticism) of electronic machines that found them hackable in 90 seconds – is filing the largest Freedom of Information Act inquiry in U.S. history. The organization's Bev Harris claims, "Fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines."

Florida Democratic congressional candidate Jeff Fisher charged that he has and will show the FBI evidence that Florida results were hacked; he also claims to have knowledge of who hacked it – in 2004 and in the 2002 Democratic primary (so Jeb Bush would not have to run against the popular Janet Reno). Fisher also believes that most Democratic candidates nationwide were harmed by GOP hacking and other dirty tactics – particularly in swing states.

The Green and Libertarian Parties, as well as Ralph Nader, are demanding an Ohio recount, because of voting fraud, suppression and disenfranchisement. Recounts are also being sought in New Hampshire, Nevada and Washington.

Although the Internet is full of stories of election fraud, and major media in England, Canada and elsewhere have investigated the story, you'll find almost nothing in the major U.S. media. "I have been told by sources that are fairly high up in the media – particularly TV – that there is now a lockdown on this story," says Harris. "It's officially 'Let's move on' time." On Nov. 6, Project Censored Award-winning author Thom Hartmann said, "So far, the only national 'mainstream' media outlet to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seemed to favor Bush. In the meantime, the Washington Post and other media are now going through single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls had failed."

VOTE STEALING 101

Votes collected by electronic machines (and by optical scan equipment that reads traditional paper ballots) are sent via modem to a central tabulating computer, which counts the votes on Windows software. Therefore, anyone who knows how to operate an Excel spreadsheet and who is given access to the central tabulation machine can, in theory, change election totals.

On a CNBC cable TV program, Black Box Voting exec Harris showed guest host Howard Dean how to alter vote totals within 90 seconds, by entering a two-digit code in a hidden program on Diebold's election software. Harris declared, "This is not a 'bug' or accidental oversight; it is there on purpose."

A quartet of companies control the U.S. vote count. Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia and SAIC are all hard-wired into the Bush campaign and power structure. Diebold chief Walden O'Dell is a top Bush fund-raiser. According to "online anarchist community" Infoshop.org, "At Diebold, the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at 'rival' ES&S. The brothers were originally staked by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council For National Policy, a right-wing steering group stacked with Bush true believers. Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist Christian Reconstruction Movement, which advocates the theocratic takeover of American democracy." Sequoia is owned by a partner member of the Carlyle Group, which is believed to have dictated foreign policy in both Bush administrations and has employed former President Bush for quite a while.

All early Tuesday indicators predicted a Kerry landslide. Zogby International (which predicted the 2000 outcome more accurately than any national pollster) did exit polling which predicted a 100-electoral vote triumph for Kerry. He saw Kerry winning crucial Ohio by 4 percent.

Princeton professor Sam Wang, whose meta-analysis had shown the election to be close in the week before the election, began coming up with dramatic numbers for Kerry in the day before and day of the election. At noon EST on Monday, Nov. 1, he predicted a Kerry win by a 108-vote margin.

In the Iowa Electronic Markets, where "investors" put their money where their mouths are and wager real moolah on election outcome "contracts," Bush led consistently for months before the election – often by as much as 60 percent to 39 percent. But at 7 p.m. CST on Nov. 2, 76.6 percent of the last hour's traders had gone to Kerry, with only 20.1 percent plunking their bucks down on Bush. They knew something.

As the first election returns came in, broadcasters were shocked to see that seemingly safe Bush states like Virginia, Kentucky and North Carolina were being judged as "too close to call." At 7:28 EST, networks broadcast that both states favored Kerry by 51 percent to 49 percent.

In his research paper, Steven Freeman reports that exit polls showed Kerry had been elected. He was leading in nearly every battleground state, in many cases by sizable margins. But later, in 10 of 11 battleground states, the tallied margins differed from the predicted margins – and in every one the shift favored Bush.

In 10 states where there were verifiable paper trails – or no electronic machines – the final results hardly differed from the initial exit polls. In non-paper-trail states, however, there were significant differences. Florida saw a shift from Kerry up by 1 percent in the exit polls to Bush up by 5 percent at close of voting. In Ohio, Kerry went from up 3 percent to down 3 percent. Exit polls also had Kerry winning the national popular vote by 3 percent.

In close Senate races, changes between the exit poll results and the final tallies cost Democrats anticipated seats in Kentucky (a 13 percent swing to the GOP), Alaska, North Carolina, Florida, Oklahoma, South Dakota and possibly Pennsylvania – as well as enough House seats to retake control of the chamber.

Centre for Research on Globalization's Michael Keefer states, "The National Election Pool's own data – as transmitted by CNN on the evening of November 2 and the morning of November 3 – suggest very strongly that the results of the exit polls were themselves fiddled late on November 2 in order to make their numbers conform with the tabulated vote tallies."

How do we know the fix was in? Keefer says the total number of respondents at 9 p.m. was well over 13,000 and at 1:36 a.m. it had risen less than 3 percent – to 13,531 total respondents. Given the small increase in respondents, this 5 percent swing to Bush is mathematically impossible. In Florida, at 8:40 p.m., exit polls showed a near dead heat but the final exit poll update at 1:01 a.m. gave Bush a 4 percent lead. This swing was mathematically impossible, because there were only 16 more respondents in the final tally than in the earlier one.

FLORIDA FIASCO II

Kathy Dopp's eye-opening examination of Florida's county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered by party affiliation (http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm) suggests systematic and widespread election fraud in 47 of the state's 67 counties. This did not occur so much in the touch-screen counties, where public scrutiny would naturally be focused, but in counties where optically screened paper ballots were fed into a central tabulator PC, which is highly vulnerable to hacking. In these optical-scan counties, had GOP registrants voted Republican, Democratic registrants gone for Kerry and everyone registered showed up to vote, Bush would have received 1,337,242 votes. Instead, his reported vote total there was 1,950,213! That discrepancy (612,971) is nearly double Bush's winning margin in the state (380,952).

Colin Shea of Zogby International analyzed and double-checked Dopp's figures and confirmed that optical-scan counties gave Bush 16 percent more votes than he should have gotten. "This 16 percent would not be strange if it were spread across counties more or less evenly," Shea explains, but it is not. In 11 different counties, the "actual" Bush tallies were 50-100 percent higher than expected. In one county, where 88 percent of voters are registered Democrats, Bush got nearly two-thirds of the vote – three times more than predicted by his statistical model.

In 47 Florida counties, the number of presidential votes exceeded the number of registered voters. Palm Beach County recorded 90,774 more votes than voters and Miami-Dade had 51,979 more, while relatively honest Orange County had only 1,648 more votes than voters. Overall, Florida reported 237,522 more presidential votes (7.59 million) than citizens who turned out to cast ballots (7.35 million).

There were thousands of complaints about Florida voting. Broward County electronic voting machines counted up to 32,500 and then started counting backward. This glitch, which existed in the 2002 election but was never fixed, overturned the exit-poll-predicted results of a gambling referendum. In several Florida counties, early-morning voters reported ballot boxes that already had an unusually large quantity of ballots in them. In Florida and five other states, according to Canada's Globe and Mail, "the wrong candidate appeared on their touch-screen machine's checkout screen" after the person had voted.

Republicans have argued that the Florida counties with majority Democratic registration that voted overwhelmingly for Bush were all conservative "Dixiecrat" bastions in northern Florida, and that all the reported totals were accurate. But Olbermann demonstrated that many of these crossover states voted Republican for the first time. He poked another hole in the Dixiecrat theory when he noted that in Democratic counties where Bush scored big, people also supported highly Democratic measures – such as raising the state minimum wage $1 above the federal level.

Moreover, 18 switchover counties were not in the Panhandle or near the Georgia border, but were scattered throughout the state. For instance, Hardee County (between Bradenton and Sebring) registered 63.8 percent Democratic but officially gave Bush 135 percent more votes than Kerry. WIDESPREAD PROBLEMS

Voters Unite! detailed 303 specific election problems, including 84 complaints of machine malfunctions in 22 states, 24 cases of registration fraud in 14 states, 20 abusive voter challenge situations in 10 states, U.S. voters in 18 states and Israel experiencing absentee ballot difficulties, 10 states with provisional ballot woes, 22 cases of malfeasance in 13 states, 10 charges of voter intimidation in seven states, seven states where votes were suppressed, seven states witnessing outbreaks of animosity at the polls, six states suffering from ballot printing errors and seven instances in four states where votes were changed on-screen. In addition, the Voters Unite! website cites four states with early voting troubles, three states undergoing ballot programming errors, three states demonstrating ballot secrecy violations, bogus ballot fraud in New Mexico and double-voting for Bush in Texas.

Kerry's victory was predicted by previously extremely accurate Harris and Zogby exit polls, by the formerly infallible 50 percent rule (an incumbent with less than 50 percent in the exit polls always loses; Bush had 47 percent – requiring him to capture an improbable 80 percent of the undecideds to win) and by the Incumbent Rule (undecideds break for the challenger, as exit polls showed they did by a large margin this time).

Nor is it credible that the surge in new young voters (who were witnessed standing in lines for hours, on campuses nationwide) miraculously didn't appear in the final totals; that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost support; and that exit polls were highly accurate wherever there was a paper trail and grossly underestimated Bush's appeal wherever there was no such guarantee of accurate recounts. Statisticians point out that Bush beat 99 to 1 mathematical odds in winning the election.

Election results are not final until electors vote on Dec. 12. There is still time to find the truth.

Orlando Weekly (http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4688)

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 04:59 PM
Dan, ask your doctor if Denialezine is right for you!

(Symptoms include: crying foul, rat like smell, and everyone turning against you. If a sudden outbreak of black choppers occurs, stop using Denialzine imediatly and contact your doctor.)

Spurminator
11-17-2004, 04:59 PM
I admit, I only skimmed, but...


A RAT IS SMELLED

That's one of the funniest sub-heads I've ever seen. Hopefully, the humor was intentional.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-17-2004, 05:07 PM
Yep, we rigged it, sucks to be a democrat :D

Nbadan
11-17-2004, 05:12 PM
That's right keep ignoring the facts. Anytime a majority party suppresses a minority party what you get is a revolution. It could start as peaceful demonstrations at first, but given American violent nature, that won't last long.

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 05:15 PM
Ask your doctor if CryaDan (CRY2-Dan3) is right for you.

Nbadan
11-17-2004, 05:18 PM
Ask your doctor if cynide is right for you. Murdering bastard.

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 05:22 PM
Ask your doctor if cynide is right for you. Murdering bastard.

Who is a murdering bastard?

Nbadan
11-17-2004, 05:27 PM
If you voted for Bush, you obviously support his war crimes in Fallujah. Just calling a stone a stone.

Spurminator
11-17-2004, 05:32 PM
Was anyone in here Exit Polled?

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 05:32 PM
What is the color of the ocean dan?

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 05:32 PM
Was anyone in here Exit Polled?

Nope

Nbadan
11-17-2004, 05:34 PM
93,000 Extra Votes In
Cuyahoga County -
Outrage In Ohio

By Teed Rockwell
Philosophy Department, Sonoma State University
11-12-4

Smoking Gun

You may have seen the associated press story about the precinct in Cuyahoga county that had less than 1,000 voters, and gave Bush almost 4,000 extra votes.


But that turns out to be only the tip of a very ugly iceberg. The evidence discovered by some remarkably careful sleuthing would convince any reasonable court to invalidate the entire Ohio election.

In last Tuesday's election, 29 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, reported votes cast IN EXCESS of the number of registered voters - at least 93,136 extra votes total. And the numbers are right there on the official Cuyahoga County Board of Elections website:

Bay Village - 13,710 registered voters / 18,663 ballots cast
Beachwood - 9,943 registered voters / 13,939 ballots cast
Bedford - 9,942 registered voters / 14,465 ballots cast
Bedford Heights - 8,142 registered voters / 13,512 ballots cast
Brooklyn - 8,016 registered voters / 12,303 ballots cast
Brooklyn Heights - 1,144 registered voters / 1,869 ballots cast
Chagrin Falls Village - 3,557 registered voters / 4,860 ballots cast
Cuyahoga Heights - 570 registered voters / 1,382 ballots cast
Fairview Park - 13,342 registered voters / 18,472 ballots cast
Highland Hills Village - 760 registered voters / 8,822 ballots cast
Independence - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Mayfield Village - 2,764 registered voters / 3,145 ballots cast
Middleburg Heights - 12,173 registered voters / 14,854 ballots cast
Moreland Hills Village - 2,990 registered voters / 4,616 ballots cast
North Olmstead - 25,794 registered voters / 25,887 ballots cast
Olmstead Falls - 6,538 registered voters / 7,328 ballots cast
Pepper Pike - 5,131 registered voters / 6,479 ballots cast
Rocky River - 16,600 registered voters / 20,070 ballots cast
Solon (WD6) - 2,292 registered voters / 4,300 ballots cast
South Euclid - 16,902 registered voters / 16,917 ballots cast
Strongsville (WD3) - 7,806 registered voters / 12,108 ballots cast
University Heights - 10,072 registered voters / 11,982 ballots cast
Valley View Village - 1,787 registered voters / 3,409 ballots cast
Warrensville Heights - 10,562 registered voters / 15,039 ballots cast
Woodmere Village - 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast
Bedford (CSD) - 22,777 registered voters / 27,856 ballots cast
Independence (LSD) - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Orange (CSD) - 11,640 registered voters / 22,931 ballots cast
Warrensville (CSD) - 12,218 registered voters / 15,822 ballots cast

The Republicans are so BUSTED.


http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us//BOE/results/currentresults1.htm#top

...is the official website of the Cuyahoga county election board, providing irrefutable evidence that the vote was off by at least 93,000. Kerry lost Ohio by approximately 130,000, so this is not an insignificant figure that can be ignored, particularly when there are numerous other indications of voter fraud in Ohio and elsewhere.


I think the only possible alternative is to invalidate the entire Ohio election, if not the entire national election. I'd say the game's up.


America, it looks pretty much like you've been had.


Sincerely,


Teed Rockwell
Philosophy Department

Yonivore
11-17-2004, 05:37 PM
Dan, ask your doctor if Denialezine is right for you!

(Symptoms include: crying foul, rat like smell, and everyone turning against you. If a sudden outbreak of black choppers occurs, stop using Denialzine imediatly and contact your doctor.)
:lmao

I wonder when they're going to come take Nbadanallah away...

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 05:38 PM
I have had dealings with both the government and people of Cuyahoga county. They are morons. So is the problem in Miami Dade county.

Nbadan
11-17-2004, 05:40 PM
I can retire now and never have to work again and all i have to do is post my thoughts in a political forum? Shit, i would have done this years ago.

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 05:41 PM
I can retire now and never have to work again and all i have to do is post my thoughts in a political forum? Shit, i would have done this years ago.

Huh?

Nbadan
11-17-2004, 05:42 PM
I have had dealings with both the government and people of Cuyahoga county. They are morons. So is the problem in Miami Dade county.

Your a moron too, so that's not saying much.

Look at the physical evidence. What do you have?

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 05:47 PM
Your a moron too, so that's not saying much.

Look at the physical evidence. What do you have?

I am not a moron Dan, sorry. I have a ton of paper work to prove my point. You have speculation and opinion. "The voices" are not sources of information I will accept in this discussion.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-17-2004, 06:16 PM
If you voted for Bush, you obviously support his war crimes in Fallujah.

Killing an insurgent is not a war crime. Unless they are in uniform, they are not protected under the Geneva Accord. Next.

As for killing the insurgents, the only way we're going to end the war on terror is to kill as many of the asshole terrorists as possible. There will be no peace, they want war, and it has nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with America, her policies, and her way of life.

Dan, you're a fucking idiot. Hey, don't shoot the messenger, I'm just calling a stone a stone.

Hook Dem
11-17-2004, 06:52 PM
It's gotta suck to be Dan! :lol

Bandit2981
11-17-2004, 09:59 PM
i know conservatives on this board can't stand Dan, but why don't any of you have any input or discussion about whats in the articles? voting irregularities where more votes were counted than people registered, and Diebold machines that can be hacked in 90 seconds shouldn't be a partisan issue.

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 10:08 PM
i know conservatives on this board can't stand Dan, but why don't any of you have any input or discussion about whats in the articles? voting irregularities where more votes were counted than people registered, and Diebold machines that can be hacked in 90 seconds shouldn't be a partisan issue.

Bandit, I'm all for looking into these things. I don't believe these mistakes/conspiracies/whatever will change the election. I also don't believe these irregularities are just favored in one direction either. I hope each election we can have more people voting, and for it to be easier to caste your vote.

Bandit2981
11-17-2004, 10:50 PM
Bandit, I'm all for looking into these things. I don't believe these mistakes/conspiracies/whatever will change the election. I also don't believe these irregularities are just favored in one direction either. I hope each election we can have more people voting, and for it to be easier to caste your vote.
well, these findings may not change the presidential election per se, but i posted an article a couple days ago about a county commisioners race in indiana that got overturned because of voting machine error. the only responses i basically got(even from you) were just "there goes another liberal wacko whiner conspiracy thread!" in nature. i just think it would and should concern all of us if what Dan posts about these machines and vote tallies are really happening. i guess i wish more people would address the actual article or post rather than the poster himself/herself.

Useruser666
11-17-2004, 10:58 PM
Bandit, just Ditto what I said above. Don't your feelings on these issues fall somewhere along those lines?

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-17-2004, 11:52 PM
Bandit,

I have concerns. But until I see them turn around and investigate supposedly heavy voter fraud on behalf of Kerry in places like Philadelphia, I think it's just partisan bullshit.

Kerry won Wisconsin and Michigan by less than what Bush won Ohio by. If we're going to open this up to a recount, I'd like both those states, plus some peculiar events in Pennsylvania, checked out.

Nbadan
11-18-2004, 11:57 AM
Let's investigate every state then. Pennsylvania included

Here is something you won't hear reported in the mainstream press..


Research Team Calls for Immediate Investigation


BERKELEY, Calif., Nov. 18 /PRNewswire/ --
When: Thursday, November 18, 2004, 10:00 a.m. PST

Where: UC Berkeley campus, Survey Research Center Conference Room --
2538 Channing Way (intersection of Channing/Bowditch). Parking on Durant
near Telegraph.

What: A research team at UC Berkeley will report that irregularities
associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded
130,000 - 260,000 or more excess votes to President George W. Bush in
Florida in the 2004 presidential election. The study shows an unexplained
discrepancy between votes for President Bush in counties where electronic
voting machines were used versus counties using traditional voting
methods. Discrepancies this large or larger rarely arise by chance -- the
probability is less than 0.1 percent. The research team, led by Professor
Michael Hout, will formally disclose results of the study at the press
conference

Yahoo News (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041118/sfth040_1.html)

Nbadan
11-18-2004, 03:58 PM
UPDATED - Thursday November 18, 2004 12:49am

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Election officials in one Ohio county found that
about 2,600 ballots were double-counted, and two other counties have
discovered possible cases of people voting twice in the presidential
election.

Prosecutors were trying to determine Wednesday whether charges should
be filed against a couple in Madison County accused of voting twice.
In addition, Summit County election workers investigated possible
double votes found under 18 names.

In the other case, Sandusky County election officials discovered that
about 2,600 ballots from nine precincts were counted twice, likely
because of worker error, elections director Barb Tuckerman said.

Tuckerman believes the votes were counted twice when they were
mistakenly placed alongside a pile of uncounted ballots. The room
where the ballots were being fed into optical-scan machines on
election night was so crowded that ballots had to be placed on the
floor, Tuckerman said.

WJLA (http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1104/188519.html)

But other than this 1,000's glitch favoring Bush, the election went pretty smoothly!

:rolleyes