Catch and shoot rule

[SpursDynasty]

This has puzzled me for years, maybe I haven't been keeping up to date with NBA rules, but how much time is allowed for a catch and shoot? I remember a playoff game in 2002, with the Charlotte Hornets I believe, and some other team....I forgot who, but a catch and shoot with 0.7 seconds (which would have won the game) wasn't allowed, the ref wouldn't allow it, saying 0.7 wasn't enough time to catch and shoot, which the player did, and made it...

When was the rule changed (Spurs fans particularly know it has changed) and what is the new rule?

[phyzik]

It changed after the 0.4... thats what sparked the change.... I think its something like 0.2 now.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

i believe you need .8

[himat]

.3 or less seconds means that there is no time to catch and shoot. I believe the refs still have to check the replay though.

[mardigan]

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html

It changed in 90-91, .3 seconds is required

[stretch]

then i dont get why in the first game of the Mavs vs. Rockets, Yao Ming somehow made a full catch-and-shoot shot with 0.1 seconds left. the clock CLEARLY started late, and if the rule is 0.3, then why did they count it?

[mardigan]

Its different if the shot is a tip in, like David Lees or Dwight Howards were this year, Im not sure about the Yao shot, I didnt see it

[stretch]

Its different if the shot is a tip in, like David Lees or Dwight Howards were this year, Im not sure about the Yao shot, I didnt see it
It was a full catch-and-shoot. it didnt really matter, because the Mavs were already getting their ass kicked. but the clock clearly started late. i have no idea why the refs counted it.

[mardigan]

Sounds more like it was the clock operators fault on that one, but who knows

[Flight3107]

then i dont get why in the first game of the Mavs vs. Rockets, Yao Ming somehow made a full catch-and-shoot shot with 0.1 seconds left. the clock CLEARLY started late, and if the rule is 0.3, then why did they count it?


I am pretty sure there was 1.7 seconds left on the clock.

[stretch]

I am pretty sure there was 1.7 seconds left on the clock.
i dunno. im pretty sure that it was 0.1, because me and a couple friends were really shocked and upset about it, because it was just so ridiculous that they let him have it.

[lefty]

Here is 0.1 , yes 0.1 !!!!

Exactly 15 years to the day, former Knicks guard Trent Tucker—who would later win a championship with the Bulls—beat Chicago on a last-second 3-pointer with only one-tenth on the clock. Tucker somehow managed to catch and shoot a three-pointer in that short, short period of time, which is impossible. The uproar that resulted forced the NBA to come up with a rule that said nobody could win a game with a made shot with anything less than three-tenths of a second unless it was a tip-in.

[Flight3107]

i dunno. im pretty sure that it was 0.1, because me and a couple friends were really shocked and upset about it, because it was just so ridiculous that they let him have it.

No, it was 1.7 seconds left.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=N6jpR5Ty2cc


http://youtube.com/watch?v=BKs6-Tz5Y3s

Go to the 17 second mark

[stretch]

No, it was 1.7 seconds left.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=N6jpR5Ty2cc


http://youtube.com/watch?v=BKs6-Tz5Y3s

Go to the 17 second mark
oh ok. my bad.

[RonMexico]

I love all the innacuracies in this thread - they make me laugh and rip my hair out at the same time. "Acutally, I read somewhere that you can't catch and shoot unless there's 33 seconds left on the clock..." All these random ass numbers out there.

Truth: Lefty was correct about the Trent Tucker play that caused the league to institute a mandated "catch and shoot" time. The rule became: 0.5 and under --> must be a tip-in. 0.6 and above --> catch and shoot is allowed. (One of the defining moments of this rule is how it made it's way into NBA Jam - if you've ever played the original game, which was released in 92-93, then you know you could not get off a full-court shot unless .6 or more was on the clock.)

Truth: 2002 playoff game with the Charlotte Hornets --> Baron Davis curls off a screen and shoots up a 35+ foot jumper with 0.5 or 0.4 seconds left on the clock and banks it home. This would have been the winning bucket, but the "catch and shoot rule" automatically caused it to be waved off. In the off-season, the league addresses this issue and determines that all last second jumpers will be reviewed by video replay to verify if the shot left a player's hands in time. This paved the way for shots such as Derek Fisher's 0.4 second miracle in San Antonio. Officials, however, still have the discretion with video replay to confirm whether the clock operator started the time properly and can wave off a bucket in the event the clock starts late; some officials still consider the "tip-in rule" to be 0.3 seconds.

False: Pretty much everything else. Even I have reservations about that 1990-1991 rule-change on NBA.com - because I was sure it was 0.3 for a "catch above the basket" and a 0.6 for a catch and shoot off the floor.

[lefty]

Here is the amazing catch-and-rainbow 3 by Tucker ; sick shot

By the way it's the 3rd play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xEBdhHsQ0&mode=related&search=

[mardigan]

False: Pretty much everything else. Even I have reservations about that 1990-1991 rule-change on NBA.com - because I was sure it was 0.3 for a "catch above the basket" and a 0.6 for a catch and shoot off the floor.

Just because you have reservations doesnt make it false

[RonMexico]

Just because you have reservations doesnt make it false

I just think it's a misprint.

[mardigan]

I just dont see how it could be a misprint on the official NBA site, but maybe.