Question for Mexican Posters

[whottt]

I want to know what your thoughts on the Mexican Government are.

Do you think it's hopelessly corrupt and ineffective?

Why, or why not?

Should the US take a more active role in controlling immigration from Mexico?

What are your thoughts on the causes behind Mexico's economic problems?

[ponky]

mexican posters? i wasn't aware there were people from mexico in abundance on spurstalk.

[whottt]

Answer the questions ponky...or never be taken seriously in this forum again(not that you are taken seriously anyway, Mrs. Chavez)

[ponky]

Answer the questions ponky...or never be taken seriously in this forum again(not that you are taken seriously anyway, Mrs. Chavez)

please, chilibowl, i'm as american as you so get it right and maybe i'll respond

[whottt]

You in particular are one I want to hear from...

"LA is going left"

Seems to me you ought to have a lot of positive opinions on the Mexican government...since it's been, "going left" for about the last 100 years up until recently.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I want to know what your thoughts on the Mexican Government are.

Do you think it's hopelessly corrupt and ineffective?

Why, or why not?

Should the US take a more active role in controlling immigration from Mexico?

What are your thoughts on the causes behind Mexico's economic problems?


I'm more concerned with the direction of our govt

[ponky]

You in particular are one I want to hear from...

"LA is going left"

Seems to me you ought to have a lot of positive opinions on the Mexican government...since it's been, "going left" for about the last 100 years up until recently.

nah, i pay enough mordidas when i travel to know well enough that the mexican govt. is corrupt...besides, why would i be lauding the mexican government when the leftist side of me wants to see the teachers and campesinos in oaxaca spit on the current administration? btw, i'm only half-mexican AMERICAN but that should do

[whottt]

Nationality or ethnicity....

If your heritage is Mexican in either of those two categories you count.

I'd prefer some people who actually have lived in Mexico participate but I don't think there are many who have on the forum.

[whottt]

I'm more concerned with the direction of our govt



There is a correlation...


And I'm not concerned with the direction of our government...

It's one of the least corrupt and most transparent governments in the world(by far the least corrupt for how big the country is)...whereas Mexico has one of the most corrupt and least transparent.

[Oh, Gee!!]

what an abortion of a thread

[ponky]

Nationality or ethnicity....

If your heritage is Mexican in either of those two categories you count.

I'd prefer some people who actually have lived in Mexico participate but I don't think there are many who have on the forum.

why does it matter what mexican-americans think about the mexican admin? it's not like we poll irish-americans to see what they think about bertie ahern's african immigration policies and the problems that have resulted due to an influx of such immigrants in that country

many mexican-americans, particularly the younger gen, want to disassociate themselves as much as possible from mexicans across the border who can barely speak english...but then, i've already pointed this out in another thread

[ponky]

what an abortion of a thread


:lol :lol :lol

[whottt]

please, chilibowl, i'm as american as you so get it right and maybe i'll respond

I don't have a chilibowl by the way...

If we were to meet you'd beg me to do you. So just save yourself future embarrasment and give up that line of attack.

[ponky]

There is a correlation...


And I'm not concerned with the direction of our government...

It's one of the least corrupt and most transparent governments in the world(by far the least corrupt for how big the country is)...whereas Mexico has one of the most corrupt and least transparent.


:lol :lol :lol

[whottt]

what an abortion of a thread


Why is it an abortion of a thread?

What'samatter, can't handle discussion?

[01Snake]

many mexican-americans, particularly the younger gen, want to disassociate themselves as much as possible from mexicans across the border who can barely speak english...but then, i've already pointed this out in another thread

I've always wondered why that is.

[ponky]

I don't have a chilibowl by the way...

If we were to meet you'd beg me to do you. So just save yourself future embarrasment and give up that line of attack.

after looking at your pic, i'd say otherwise, but that doesn't really matter, i'm surprised you even bit, i would've stopped had you ignored it this time (only the second time i've mentioned it)

as for sex, not really, i would never do a spurs fan and i've seen your pic, not my taste

[whottt]

why does it matter what mexican-americans think about the mexican admin?

Because the Mexican Admin is probably 100% of the reason they are Mexican American.









many mexican-americans, particularly the younger gen, want to disassociate themselves as much as possible from mexicans across the border who can barely speak english...but then, i've already pointed this out in another thread


That's got nothing to do with the reason I am asking the question...

And I am not so much concerned with whether or not they want to disassociate themselves from the Mexican Government as I am the over-all political views of the Mexicans coming over here for the purpose of a better life.

[whottt]

ponky,

The American government has it's dirty laundry aired daily for public consuption...it's called transparency.

Just because you don't hear this sort of thing often with other countries doesn't mean it doesn't happen...it's just that those govts are less transparent.

A lot of so called Democracies have state controlled media and other most deicdedly unDemocratic tenets...(France comes to mind immediately).

[George Gervin's Afro]

after looking at your pic, i'd say otherwise, but that doesn't really matter, i'm surprised you even bit, i would've stopped had you ignored it this time (only the second time i've mentioned it)

as for sex, not really, i would never do a spurs fan and i've seen your pic, not my taste


never do a spurs fan?

[clambake]

You think it's their political views that leads them to cross?

[ponky]

Because the Mexican Admin is probably 100% of the reason they are Mexican American.




at least in texas, that's not accurate...blame a certain general who didn't have the authorization from the mex. govt. to make deals in its name







That's got nothing to do with the reason I am asking the question...

And I am not so much concerned with whether or not they want to disassociate themselves from the Mexican Government as I am the over-all political views of the Mexicans coming over here for the purpose of a better life.

Maybe not, but it has everything to do with the thought process that goes on in your mind when you view Mexicans or Mexican-Americans, who cares about making distinctions, right? I doubt most Mexican-Americans even know what the hell is going on in Mexico right now and probably have been as far south as the nearest bar in Laredo to sip some margaritas and buy cheap silver. They probably still think Fox is the president of Mexico. I understand your question but it's like you assume Mexican-Americans know what's going on and stay informed about Mexico, tuning in to Primer Impacto every night.

[whottt]

after looking at your pic, i'd say otherwise, but that doesn't really matter, i'm surprised you even bit, i would've stopped had you ignored it this time (only the second time i've mentioned it)

as for sex, not really, i would never do a spurs fan and i've seen your pic, not my taste


I'm not photogenic...don't fuck yourself over here.


Besides...everyone knows TimVP and Kori try to take the goofiest pictures possible of their guests.

[ponky]

anyway, i will be back later to read some responses from the mexicans, time to play halo and chill, i've been working nearly 24 hours straight on design projects

[ponky]

I'm not photogenic...don't fuck yourself over here.


Besides...everyone knows TimVP and Kori try to take the goofiest pictures possible of their guests.

chill, i didnt' say you were bad looking, just not my taste...don't take that chilibowl comment seriously, it's just an older 80s hairdo, no harm intended

[whottt]

You think it's their political views that leads them to cross?


No...I think it's their economic situation...however, their economic situation is directly related to the policies of the Mexican Government.

The Mexican Leftist Government...I might add(up till recently).



Because when I see someone like ponky cheering Chavez for the nationalization of Venzuela's Oil industry...

I am wondering if she cheers Mexico's longtime nationalized Oil Industry with the same vigor.

[whottt]

at least in texas, that's not accurate...blame a certain general who didn't have the authorization from the mex. govt. to make deals in its name



Oh it's pretty accurate...Mexican's were not originally here en masse. It was the Texas Indians...

The Mexican Government actually had to encourage colonization of Texas by European Colonists because the Mexican citizens were so relucatant to do so.


Most of the actual Mexican Colonists that did come, fought for Texas Independence from Mexico.

Mexico's only claim to Texas was as a colonial property.






Maybe not, but it has everything to do with the thought process that goes on in your mind when you view Mexicans or Mexican-Americans, who cares about making distinctions, right?


Anyone who wants to be called Mexican American instead of just American, or considers ethnicity to be a reason to unite, cares about making distinctions...







I doubt most Mexican-Americans even know what the hell is going on in Mexico right now and probably have been as far south as the nearest bar in Laredo to sip some margaritas and buy cheap silver. They probably still think Fox is the president of Mexico. I understand your question but it's like you assume Mexican-Americans know what's going on and stay informed about Mexico, tuning in to Primer Impacto every night.



Wrong...

What I expexct them to know...is why they came over here, either their parents, or their grandparents...

And don't give me the crap that it's about the land...because it isn't...the Mexican citizens that cared about land stayed and fought for Texas Independence from Mexico.



I don't want Tejano's participating. I don't want Texas Indians participating...

I want Mexican citizens living in America or first or second generation Americans...

[clambake]

How many oil shares do you own? What would you expect under-developed countries to do with their oil?

[whottt]

Just shut the fuck up you cocksucking moron...I don't need you fucking up my thread with stupidity and your knee jerk lefy PCness. Go smoke a pole...Chump's lonely.

[clambake]

You brought it up, dipshit. Too bad you weren't wearing that bowl during your epic skull drop. Might have helped.

Stop pushing the chilibowl away. It worked for Moe. He owned Larry and Curly.

[01Snake]

Just shut the fuck up you cocksucking moron...I don't need you fucking up my thread with stupidity and your knee jerk lefy PCness. Go smoke a pole...Chump's lonely.

:lol

[01Snake]

Love the people who bash others photos. If you're gonna cast stones, lets see a picture of your ugly mug for comparison. MmmmK.

[whottt]

You brought it up, dipshit. Too bad you weren't wearing that bowl during your epic skull drop. Might have helped.

Stop pushing the chilibowl away. It worked for Moe. He owned Larry and Curly.



Bitch...are you Mexican or Mexican American?


IF not...STFU.


I didn't ask for the white guilt translation...

[Fillmoe]

whottt you come off as the type of guy that might say spic or ###### alot........

[whottt]

Love the people who bash others photos. If you're gonna cast stones, lets see a picture of your ugly mug for comparison. MmmmK.



She can bash my photos all she wants lmao.

I don't post my pic on the internet...and the only reason they have that one is because I was drunk and engrossed in discussing the finer points of trolling with Joe Chalupa.

[whottt]

whottt you come off as the type of guy that might say spic or ###### alot........


Why do you say that?


Please, tell me.

Why do you say that?

[clambake]

You always bring up oil. You also stated that you preferred a "greedy war monger for president". That combination of facts is legitimate. Can't you save the cockcard for later and suggest just how americanization of mex. oil will benefit the people of mex?

[whottt]

You always bring up oil. You also stated that you preferred a "greedy war monger for president".

I stated that I prefer a greedy war monger over a virtuous moron...and I do.

I don't prefer a greedy war monger just on general principles...just when they are running against traitors or idiots. Or in the case of John Kerry...traitors and idiots.





That combination of facts is legitimate. Can't you save the cockcard for later and suggest just how americanization of mex. oil will benefit the people of mex?

Americanization?

[clambake]

HOw will oil profits filtered through the mex. gov. benefit the people of mex. regardless of who runs the production? Are you asking about their political beliefs because you think there is some strong movement they can base?

[shelshor]

... how americanization of mex. oil will benefit the people of mex?
On a personal level, the guy who has to put up with an oil well on his land would then receive rent, surface damages and, hopefully, money from mineral rights, if the Mexican government hasn't confiscated all of them
As it is, he just has less land for his crops or herds and therefore less food for his family's table; not to mention the hassles of trying to farm around an oil well site

[whottt]

sheshor...don't even bother.

clambake doesn't have intelligence or validity behind his beliefs...he is the stupidest poster on the political forum.

His political views are nearly 100% racially motivated...basically, he thinks if he can kiss enough special interest ass it'll make up for the past transgressions of the evil white man.

That's all clambake is...

Best to just leave him being the dingleberry of all leftist stances and let him atone(for all of us) in his own, "unique" way.


Yes, even the pilot fish has his role to play in the grand scheme of things.

[nkdlunch]

I ain't mexican, but

I want to know what your thoughts on the Mexican Government are.

Do you think it's hopelessly corrupt and ineffective?


No, but a huge social change would need to happen and this is very difficult to happen, because the big brother(US) would not want a huge social change next door.



Should the US take a more active role in controlling immigration from Mexico?

If they want to, it's their country, they can do whatever they want. they just need to remember the chinese don't give a fuck about immigration and they will soon become the most powerful with their billions of citizens.



What are your thoughts on the causes behind Mexico's economic problems?
Being next door to US is their blessing and curse.

[whottt]

Thanks...I appreciate your input...but the fact that you aren't Mexican means I'm really not interested in your POV on this...if I need an outsiders POV I can use my own.


Still waiting for a legitimate response...Ponky couldb't decide if she wanted to troll or actually have a debate and other than that I haven't gotten a single wortwhile response to my very civilly asked questions from any person with a history going back to Mexico.

I want responses from people who either have lived under that government...or had grandparents or parents who did.

[Melmart1]

I'm third generation. Sorry.

[whottt]

LMAO...no ones going to give me a serious answer to this question...why not?



It's a very simple question about the dominant politics of the Mexican government for much of the last century.

[Melmart1]

Because you have exact parameters as to who you want an answer from. Have patience. If they are Mexican, they are probably mowing a lawn somewhere and the rest might be in school or work right now. Wait till after 5 and you might get your answers.

[whottt]

I ain't mexican, but


No, but a huge social change would need to happen and this is very difficult to happen, because the big brother(US) would not want a huge social change next door.


You're wrong about that...and even if you are right...that's an indictment of the Mexican Government selling out it's own people by enlisting policies that benefit America over Mexico.

Spin it however you want...but it still doesn't speak well for Socialist leaning governments.



If they want to, it's their country, they can do whatever they want. they just need to remember the chinese don't give a fuck about immigration and they will soon become the most powerful with their billions of citizens.


China can't do shit...they don't have the money to move their people, and their military has to be used to keep the government in power...

Just because their economy is growing doesn't mean it's trickling down to the average Chinese either...they still have one of the lowest annual incomes per household of any industrialized nation.


And lastly...the Chinese Government's limits on children has seriously fucked up their demographic...

Their female population is decreasing and their male population is aging.


Sorry...no victory for communism here...not to mention that their communist government is so capitalist it puts Bill Gates to shame.





Being next door to US is their blessing and curse.


Oh please...don't blame us for their government corruption...they are like all leftist governments...

They pay lips service to the poor so they can steal the countries wealth.


It just amazes that the defining trait for most lefties is the belief that governments can be pure and altruistic...

What naivete...what ignorance.

I know better than to trust any government implicitly...

[JoeChalupa]

I believe the Mexican Government is corrupt, more so than our government due to the economy of the country and the bribes that are paid in all levels of the govt. Simple as that. I remember going down there with my parents many years ago and my dad got stopped and while I don't remember all the details I do remember my dad handing over some cash and we were on our way.
There is corruption in all government...yes, even our beloved U.S.A. government and that too goes from the City Council, Mayor, State House and Senate, U.S. House and Senate and yeah...even to the Oval Office!!

[nkdlunch]

It just amazes that the defining trait for most lefties is the belief that governments can be pure and altruistic...

What naivete...what ignorance.


you ask for serious responses but then respond with these insults. :lol you are not worth the time of posters here. i'm out of your "serious" thread :donkey

next time you ask for serious response, I will click "Back". :idiot

[dallaskd]

I didnt know Mexicans owned computers.

[JoeChalupa]

I expect justice from our government leaders...so I demand it!!!

[JoeChalupa]

I didnt know Mexicans owned computers.

From the pawn shop vato!

[101A]

It's one of the least corrupt and most transparent governments in the world(by far the least corrupt for how big the country is)...whereas Mexico has one of the most corrupt and least transparent.

Transparently corrupt, I'd say...

paid attention to how the dems are trying to get the "let's leave Iraq" funding bill passed?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Bribery, right there for 'ya!

[whottt]

you ask for serious responses but then respond with these insults. :lol you are not worth the time of posters here. i'm out of your "serious" thread :donkey

next time you ask for serious response, I will click "Back". :idiot



I didn't insult you in any way shape or form...

I didn't have a clue of your political beliefs prior to you being offended...that was just my general view.

[whottt]

I believe the Mexican Government is corrupt, more so than our government due to the economy of the country and the bribes that are paid in all levels of the govt. Simple as that.


Why is that though Joe?


Is it because Mexican's are inherently corrupt...

Or is it because they tend to believe the big lie of Socialism? Imported directly from Spain.

That the government can take care of you...

That so an so is a hero of the people....he'll take it from the rich and return it to the people?







I remember going down there with my parents many years ago and my dad got stopped and while I don't remember all the details I do remember my dad handing over some cash and we were on our way.
There is corruption in all government...yes, even our beloved U.S.A. government and that too goes from the City Council, Mayor, State House and Senate, U.S. House and Senate and yeah...even to the Oval Office!!


There is corruption in all governments....

That's why a free press is essential to realizing the ideals of Democracy.


That's why the guy who blows smoke up your ass about what is possible when it comes to governments taking care of people...is the biggest liar of them all.





This is a big issue...and I don't think anyone is looking beyond the skin color...



When they should be...

Everyone forgets that Mexico was a spanish colony...


And I'd say the corruption follows a trend apparent in many former colonies that were subject to Europe's more brutal colonial practices...

[RighteousBoy]

I want to know what your thoughts on the Mexican Government are.

Do you think it's hopelessly corrupt and ineffective?

Why, or why not?

Should the US take a more active role in controlling immigration from Mexico?

What are your thoughts on the causes behind Mexico's economic problems?

I don't know how much discussion you will get from your target audience, so I'll give you mine. Born in Wyo. to migrant workers, working in the sugarbeet fields (this makes me an expert). I've worked with plenty of illegals at cotton gins and construction to have some insight as to why they are here (this makes me even more of an expert).

1: Do you think it's hopelessly corrupt and ineffective?

As it is right now, yes, but I won't say completely. Can you imagine, what would the mexican president think and do if he was to look out his window and see 5 - 10 million able bodied mexicans marching to his office, all of them recently deported from the US, unemployed, demanding jobs, reforms, etc.? Until something like this happens, I don't see any positive changes happening in mexico, the people in power or more then happy to keep the situation from changing.

2: Should the US take a more active role in controlling immigration from Mexico?

Yes, the term 'illegal immigrant', means something, it defines a person who is breaking the law, and no matter how you spin it, 'illegal' is still illegal. Because you hold this view, it doesn't mean you don't want mexicans to immigrate, fill jobs that need filling, become effective citizens that add to the nation in a positive way, it simply means there is a legal method in place to do this, come in legally and you're more then welcome. But the most serious matter, is the security aspect, in light of 9-11, we simply need to know who is entering our nation.

3: What are your thoughts on the causes behind Mexico's economic problems?

Not being an expert on mexico's economy, I'll just give you my opinion based on years of observation. I think the root of the problem is a cultural mindset, here are couple of true stories to illustrate it. A friend goes to mexico, comes to a stop sign, a kid not much older then 8 or 9 runs in from and starts juggling limes, they get a kick out of it and give the kid some change. He looks in the rearview mirror as he drives away to see the kid get gang tackled by a bunch of other kids and have his change stolen. That evening he goes to an expensive restaraunt, mercedes, bmw's, etc., and meets up with some wealthy mexicans for dinner, as they leave, there are beggers outside, dressed in brown rags, as he goes to give them some change, the rich mexican girl he's with says, "You don't have to do that!". So, the way I've come to see it, its the have and the have-nots in the worst way, virtually no middle class. Perhaps sending all the illegals back is the only way to institute change, and then who is to say the change that comes about is going to be a positive one, south and central american have shown more often to move to the left/socialism then right/capitalism - and thats the last thing we, or they need.

es todo.

[shelshor]

...
There is corruption in all governments....

That's why a free press is essential to realizing the ideals of Democracy.
...
...
And the rest of the Bill of Rights


...


Is it because Mexican's are inherently corrupt...

...

Everyone forgets that Mexico was a spanish colony...


And I'd say the corruption follows a trend apparent in many former colonies that were subject to Europe's more brutal colonial practices...

Even tho I'm well outside your desired parameters for responders, I'd have to say Mexicans are not inherently corrupt
I think you hit the nail on the head with the corruption following Europe's nasty colonial era

[clambake]

Mexicans are inherently corrupt? Is it possible for you to make your point in starting this thread? You rarely say anything that doesn't lead to your devious motive. Your brain damage must be significant if the military turns you away in favor of 3rd strike offenders.

[whottt]

Mexicans are inherently corrupt? Is it possible for you to make your point in starting this thread? You rarely say anything that doesn't lead to your devious motive. Your brain damage must be significant if the military turns you away in favor of 3rd strike offenders.


I thought I told you to shut up.

[clambake]

You live in SA and you can't find any mexicans to ask? Or is it because they won't unlock your asylum?

What are the medical costs associated with 24-hour care of a mental patient?

[whottt]

I don't live in SA.


I can find plenty of them to ask...like my two half brothers and the woman who raised me from the age of 10.


However you are such a fucking douchebag that your only debate tactic is attacking someone who was denied the right to fight for his country on the basis of an inury overwhich he had no control...


But your ignorance and bigotry are excusable right? Becaue you're white and you hate white pople.



I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. You're vile weak and pathetic.

[clambake]

Maybe so. You suppressed your urge to throw the cocksucker card. That's progress.

[clambake]

Hey Whottt, if you were on fire I'd do whatever I could to help you.

[whottt]

Hey Whottt, if you were on fire I'd do whatever I could to help you.


I don't....I think you'd stand there talking shit about me having a head injury.

Cocksucker.


PS: I wonder why you reminded me?

[ponky]

LMAO...no ones going to give me a serious answer to this question...why not?



It's a very simple question about the dominant politics of the Mexican government for much of the last century.


It's not that I wouldn't give you a serious answer to the question, it's that I don't fit the criteria. You want to hear from first-generation Mexicans (from Mexico) and/or Mexicans whose grandparents or parents come from Mexico. Not going to find much of those around, lots of Mexicans here today would have to go back probably 4-5 generations back to qualify. Thanks for the history lesson btw, but as a fairly knowledgeable history major, I'm well aware of the history of Texas, even if my specific area is the Reformation period. Anyway, I can't really give you an answer from the p.o.v. you seek because the net you cast is too narrow based on your requirements.

Also, as an aside, it's ridiculous to make assumptions about what I think with regards to Chavez from one comment meant to rile up people such as yourself. I do like many things about Chavez and we can certainly disagree about those points but I don't like everything about him so please don't infer anything in addition to what I state just for the sake of argument.

[ponky]

double post, disregard

[ponky]

Why is that though Joe?


Is it because Mexican's are inherently corrupt...


What the hell does this mean?
[/QUOTE]



Or is it because they tend to believe the big lie of Socialism? Imported directly from Spain.



LOL, you don't even know what the hell you're talking about now. I can't even begin to imagine the connect you're trying to make. Although maybe it has something to do with a few muralists, artists and writers from Mexico who traveled to Europe in the early part of the 20th century and came back heavily influenced by the political atmosphere of the time in certain countries. This has little to nothing to do with the general Mexican populace.



Everyone forgets that Mexico was a spanish colony...


And I'd say the corruption follows a trend apparent in many former colonies that were subject to Europe's more brutal colonial practices...

Hmmm, I wonder if you're just incredibly naive and ignorant or just unwilling to look at your own country's colonial practices and weigh them against those of Spain. Better yet, why not mention the already corrupt and brutal practices of the Aztecs and certain other Amerindian tribes living in Central American during the colonial period? This would lend itself a bit better to that argument you were trying to make above that Mexicans are inherently corrupt.

Anyway, I'm really curious as to the connect you're trying to make between Mexico and Spain. I know Spain and its history like the back of my hand (I'm not being facetious), and I'd like to think that I know Mexico just as well, so please enlighten me as to the connection you're trying to make and how it relates to the questions you pose.

[Phenomanul]

I don't know how much discussion you will get from your target audience, so I'll give you mine. Born in Wyo. to migrant workers, working in the sugarbeet fields (this makes me an expert). I've worked with plenty of illegals at cotton gins and construction to have some insight as to why they are here (this makes me even more of an expert).

1: Do you think it's hopelessly corrupt and ineffective?

As it is right now, yes, but I won't say completely. Can you imagine, what would the mexican president think and do if he was to look out his window and see 5 - 10 million able bodied mexicans marching to his office, all of them recently deported from the US, unemployed, demanding jobs, reforms, etc.? Until something like this happens, I don't see any positive changes happening in mexico, the people in power or more then happy to keep the situation from changing.

2: Should the US take a more active role in controlling immigration from Mexico?

Yes, the term 'illegal immigrant', means something, it defines a person who is breaking the law, and no matter how you spin it, 'illegal' is still illegal. Because you hold this view, it doesn't mean you don't want mexicans to immigrate, fill jobs that need filling, become effective citizens that add to the nation in a positive way, it simply means there is a legal method in place to do this, come in legally and you're more then welcome. But the most serious matter, is the security aspect, in light of 9-11, we simply need to know who is entering our nation.

3: What are your thoughts on the causes behind Mexico's economic problems?

Not being an expert on mexico's economy, I'll just give you my opinion based on years of observation. I think the root of the problem is a cultural mindset, here are couple of true stories to illustrate it. A friend goes to mexico, comes to a stop sign, a kid not much older then 8 or 9 runs in from and starts juggling limes, they get a kick out of it and give the kid some change. He looks in the rearview mirror as he drives away to see the kid get gang tackled by a bunch of other kids and have his change stolen. That evening he goes to an expensive restaraunt, mercedes, bmw's, etc., and meets up with some wealthy mexicans for dinner, as they leave, there are beggers outside, dressed in brown rags, as he goes to give them some change, the rich mexican girl he's with says, "You don't have to do that!". So, the way I've come to see it, its the have and the have-nots in the worst way, virtually no middle class. Perhaps sending all the illegals back is the only way to institute change, and then who is to say the change that comes about is going to be a positive one, south and central american have shown more often to move to the left/socialism then right/capitalism - and thats the last thing we, or they need.

es todo.


I am a Mexican Citizen (by birth) and a Naturalized American Citizen (my mother and grandmother are both American Citizens by birthright). What's funny is that Mexico recognizes my dual citizenship status while the U.S. doesn't.

Anyways.... I lived in Mexico for 5 years and visit once or twice per year. In fact my parents are down there for an Evangelical Conference at this very moment.

I pretty much agree with RighteousBoy's take. The most telling line being that Mexico's middle class is non-existent. About 2-3% of the population own about 70% of the country's wealth. That's a highly unbalanced distribution of the country's resources. Furthermore, the country's vast oil reserves serve only to make politicians richer. All of Mexico's ex-presidents are known crooks who have taken millions upon millions of dollars from the Mexican people.... And to add insult to injury the politicians themselves write laws that prevent stolen assets from being stripped away from them. It is a highly depressing cycle that every Mexican citizen knows all too well.

The U.S. could play a role... but self-serving interests don't allow for Mexico's economy to be restructured for the good of its people. The U.S. approaches all policy concerning Mexico with only its interests at heart. But who can blame them? It's not their duty to govern Mexico if Mexicans can't govern themselves.

Which brings me to my next point... Most Mexican politicians have direct bloodlines to the Spaniards... That particular caste in society has managed to stay in political and social power. They won't relinquish it. Then again the people apparently 'vote' them in.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I am a Mexican Citizen (by birth) and a Naturalized American Citizen (my mother and grandmother are both American Citizens by birthright). What's funny is that Mexico recognizes my dual citizenship status while the U.S. doesn't.

Anyways.... I lived in Mexico for 5 years and visit once or twice per year. In fact my parents are down there for an Evangelical Conference at this very moment.

I pretty much agree with RighteousBoy's take. The most telling line being that Mexico's middle class is non-existent. About 2-3% of the population own about 70% of the country's wealth. That's a highly unbalanced distribution of the country's resources. Furthermore, the country's vast oil reserves serve only to make politicians richer. All of Mexico's ex-presidents are known crooks who have taken millions upon millions of dollars from the Mexican people.... And to add insult to injury the politicians themselves write laws that prevent stolen assets from being stripped away from them. It is a highly depressing cycle that every Mexican citizen knows all too well.

The U.S. could play a role... but self-serving interests don't allow for Mexico's economy to be restructured for the good of its people. The U.S. approaches all policy concerning Mexico with only its interests at heart. But who can blame them? It's not their duty to govern Mexico if Mexicans can't govern themselves.

Which brings me to my next point... Most Mexican politicians have direct bloodlines to the Spaniards... That particular caste in society has managed to stay in political and social power. They won't relinquish it. Then again the people apparently 'vote' them in.
www.prisonplanet.com

There have been blatant family trees linking pretty much every american president and major politician to the royal bloodlines of europe as well. At the link they had proof that kerry and bush in fact shared the same european ancestor, during the 2004 election.

Theres an entire school of thought that thinks the european nobles never really lost power, they're still in power, and have always been, like they always will be

[whottt]

What the hell does this mean?


It means what do you think is the reason for Mexico's completely corrupt govt and infrastructure?

Is it the people?

Or is it the government?

You tell me...




LOL, you don't even know what the hell you're talking about now. I can't even begin to imagine the connect you're trying to make. Although maybe it has something to do with a few muralists, artists and writers from Mexico who traveled to Europe in the early part of the 20th century and came back heavily influenced by the political atmosphere of the time in certain countries. This has little to nothing to do with the general Mexican populace.


False...

All the countries in this hemishphere where communism and socialist strains run strongest are former colonies of France, Spain and Portugal.



Hmmm, I wonder if you're just incredibly naive and ignorant or just unwilling to look at your own country's colonial practices and weigh them against those of Spain.


Oh I'll weigh them all day long against fucking Spain's...you've got to be fucking kiddng me here...................


Better yet, why not mention the already corrupt and brutal practices of the Aztecs and certain other Amerindian tribes living in Central American during the colonial period? This would lend itself a bit better to that argument you were trying to make above that Mexicans are inherently corrupt.


Oh I mention that all the time...usually when someone pulls the slavery card in an argument..

There's just one problem though, I think monarchial rule is superior to communism...all communism is is a poor king stealing the power of the rich one.




Anyway, I'm really curious as to the connect you're trying to make between Mexico and Spain. I know Spain and its history like the back of my hand (I'm not being facetious), and I'd like to think that I know Mexico just as well, so please enlighten me as to the connection you're trying to make and how it relates to the questions you pose.


Oh get fucking real...the communists in Mexico and the Soviet Union opposed Franco with their last dying breath.

And see...he was better than communism.


European style colonialism and aristocracy breeds communism and socialism.

Communism and Socialism are the response to Royalty....unfortunately, they like to claim they are the enemy of American Capitalism..and so they attack America.

Much like the Muslim Fundamentalists do when they warn of America's imperialism.

They attribute Europes colonial era to America...they lump us in with them when they refer to us as, the West.

[whottt]

and btw ponky...yeah I put Mexicans, not Mexican Americans in the title for a reason, because I wanted people who consider themselves Mexican to respond, because I wanted their opinion...not someone who hasn't lived there for a hundred years...what the fuck do you know about Mexico? About as much as me.




I figured it'd get a knee jerk response though...


If I'd put hispanics or latin americans I'd have gotten responses I wasn't looking for...ditto Mexican Americans.

Thanks for the response Phenomanul. It's nice to hear a qualified opinion.


As for the class separation of Mexico...but of course, that's what runaway leftism does..creates the ultimate class separation, the only class it eliminates is the middle class.

[whottt]

CBF and Phenomenal, it's not just here. Most of the politicians in Europe trace their ancestry back to royalty.

A lot of hte so called Democracies in Europe are not Democracies at all...


Tell me how many Blacks and Algerians hold high position in France? Or Spain? In spite of centuries of dual citizenship and fairly free immigration.


Britain is not quite as bad...but that's mainly because their colonial era came later, they have their share of shitholes too...mainly in the mid-east.

Sorry but every war, of the 20th century, every problem area in the world right now., can trace it's problems back to European colonial rule....from Vietnam to Cuba.


Where the colonial powers came in and kicked the living shit out of indigenous populations carrying with them their invention of classifying intelligence based on skin color.

America wasn't one of those countries doing that...they were the colony.

We didn't bring slavery here...we ended it here.

It's never ended for some of their former colonies...particularly some of the French colonies.


That's why I get pissed when Americans don't realize that stuff, and think we need to follow Europe's lead there...it infuriates me.

They've got no track record to be touting.

[ponky]

and btw ponky...yeah I put Mexicans, not Mexican Americans in the title for a reason, because I wanted people who consider themselves Mexican to respond, because I wanted their opinion...not someone who hasn't lived there for a hundred years...what the fuck do you know about Mexico? About as much as me.

I figured it'd get a knee jerk response though...

As for the class separation of Mexico...but of course, that's what runaway leftism does..creates the ultimate class separation, the only class it eliminates is the middle class.

LOL, based on your response to my post, I've concluded that you're quite an ignorant idiot. I know a lot more about Mexico than you do, I'm just not qualified by YOUR criteria to respond to your question, but it doesn't mean that I won't call you on the other bullshit you post. You wanna talk about Mexican history and the silly connections you're trying to make, bring it. I didn't spend years traveling and living in Mexico/Guatemala and taking history courses at U.T./Columbia/Complutense in Madrid to not know my shit. I am American with Mexican, Apache and Italian heritage so you can go fuck yourself if I disagree with your ideas about who you choose to label as "Mexican" or "Mexican-American." You should really learn some history before talking about it as if you know anything.

As for knee jerk response, you only have to look as far as my one-line comment about Chavez to view some knee-jerk responses. You made a whole shitload of assumptions in that thread based on one-line that was meant to provoke such reactions, way to overreact.

[ponky]

CBF and Phenomenal, it's not just here. Most of the politicians in Europe trace their ancestry back to royalty.

A lot of hte so called Democracies in Europe are not Democracies at all...


Tell me how many Blacks and Algerians hold high position in France? Or Spain? In spite of centuries of dual citizenship and fairly free immigration.


Britain is not quite as bad...but that's mainly because their colonial era came later, they have their share of shitholes too...mainly in the mid-east.

Sorry but every war, of the 20th century, every problem area in the world right now., can trace it's problems back to European colonial rule....from Vietnam to Cuba.


Where the colonial powers came in and kicked the living shit out of indigenous populations carrying with them their invention of classifying intelligence based on skin color.

America wasn't one of those countries doing that...they were the colony.

We didn't bring slavery here...we ended it here.

It's never ended for some of their former colonies...particularly some of the French colonies.


That's why I get pissed when Americans don't realize that stuff, and think we need to follow Europe's lead there...it infuriates me.

They've got no track record to be touting.


this has to be the biggest load of mierda i've read on this board. last time i checked, slavery was abolished in mexico a good 50 years before the u.s....and it didn't take a civil war to accomplish this action. there's a reason you see a lot more afro-latinos in south and central america than in the u.s. anyway, this is not to say that when it comes to slavery, the countries under spain's rule were any better. it is merely to point out that you should stop putting the u.s. on a pedestal when it comes to its own history.

lol, imagine if gold and silver had been found in the area now known as the united states, rather than mexico...you have got to be fucking kidding yourself if you don't think the indigenous groups of the u.s. would've fared any better than those in central america. americans didn't classify based on skin color? i guess segregation is a myth borne out of liberal enthusiasm :rolleyes

[ponky]

actually, i need to put an *ignore* action on the entire political forum, this is a sports site and what i came here to talk about, ugh!

[whottt]

LOL, based on your response to my post, I've concluded that you're quite an ignorant idiot.

Well your conclusions haven't been shown to be good for anything other than a substitute for toilet paper in this here political forum and I'd say that this is a fine addition to your other contributions.




I know a lot more about Mexico than you do, I'm just not qualified by YOUR criteria to respond to your question, but it doesn't mean that I won't call you on the other bullshit you post.


I don't think you know shit about Mexico...based on your posts so far I'd say you suffer from the same misconceptions as a person with casual knowledge...

If you paid for that eduction...first thing I'd do is go put my foot up the ass of all my professors.




You wanna talk about Mexican history and the silly connections you're trying to make, bring it. I didn't spend years traveling and living in Mexico/Guatemala and taking history courses at U.T./Columbia/Complutense in Madrid to not know my shit.


Sure let's talk about it...and since you lived in Madrid...let's talk about Spanish history while we're at it...

Let's talk about the party in Power in Spain prior to Franco assuming control..



I am American with Mexican, Apache and Italian heritage so you can go fuck yourself if I disagree with your ideas about who you choose to label as "Mexican" or "Mexican-American." You should really learn some history before talking about it as if you know anything.


I don't really give a fuck if you disagree with me or not...

If I'd said hispanics I would have gotten some fucking Argentines responding...

If I'd said Latin America I would have gotten Argentines and Brazillians responding...

If I'd said Spanish I would have gotten Spaniards responding...

If I'd said Mexican Americans I would have excluded Mexican Nationals...the Board Demographic I am most trying to hear from.



So you tell me dumbass...who should I have directed the post too?







As for knee jerk response, you only have to look as far as my one-line comment about Chavez to view some knee-jerk responses. You made a whole shitload of assumptions in that thread based on one-line that was meant to provoke such reactions, way to overreact.


All you did was paint yourself as the typical liberal dumbass...

You made the same type of comments that someone completely ignorant of the History of this region would have made.


Not to mention that a typical lefty who has never actually studied socialism or communism would have made.


There was nothing unusual about your comments for this board...there are lots of stupid people here...maybe you should have done some research before permanently marking yourself as one of them.



So far every citizen of a Latin American country and a Mexican National has backed up my points...and none oft hem that have actually lived under socialist leaning governments or even leftist ones, is championing them.


While you've done nothing but mark yourself as one of the stupidest posters in this forum...well done.



Socialism is a shitty solution to a shitty problem. Deal with it.

[whottt]

this has to be the biggest load of mierda i've read on this board. last time i checked, slavery was abolished in mexico a good 50 years before the u.s....and it didn't take a civil war to accomplish this action.


LMAO...too funny. You are proof that all the education in the world doesn't give common sense.

Slavery in what is known as Mexico is nothing like it was in the states....



there's a reason you see a lot more afro-latinos in south and central america than in the u.s.


That's because the Latinos in America were never slaves...dumbass.




anyway, this is not to say that when it comes to slavery, the countries under spain's rule were any better. it is merely to point out that you should stop putting the u.s. on a pedestal when it comes to its own history.


Are you really this fucking stupid?

Not any better than Spains?

Don't try and tell me you are educated on this subject...




lol, imagine if gold and silver had been found in the area now known as the united states, rather than mexico...you have got to be fucking kidding yourself if you don't think the indigenous groups of the u.s. would've fared any better than those in central america. americans didn't classify based on skin color? i guess segregation is a myth borne out of liberal enthusiasm :rolleyes


Um...guess what, that practice was imported by European colonists...not started by Americans. It was brought here before this was America.

And only someone with casual knowledge thinking they know everything would argue that point.







And Mexico still has underground slavery to this day...and the peoples inhabiting the region prior to Spanish Conquest had a tradition of slavery that makes the European concept look amateurish...

[whottt]

actually, i need to put an *ignore* action on the entire political forum, this is a sports site and what i came here to talk about, ugh!



You do that....the last thing we need on this forum is another stupid lib talking from a position of ignorance without actually having looked into the truth behind the standard liberal talking points.


I suggest you stick to making jokes about Latin Americans on verge of being enslaved by dictators, Miss Latina...it's what you do best.


If you ever do decide you want to actual discuss these issues as anything other than a joke...by all means do so....I'll enjoy re-educating you since the education you paid for was obviously a ripoff.

[clambake]

therapy

[whottt]

Hey...for some people discussion is a form of therapy...for others, like yourself, a dick in the mouth is therapy...to each their own.

[ponky]

You do that....the last thing we need on this forum is another stupid lib talking from a position of ignorance without actually having looked into the truth behind the standard liberal talking points.


I suggest you stick to making jokes about Latin Americans on verge of being enslaved by dictators, Miss Latina...it's what you do best.


If you ever do decide you want to actual discuss these issues as anything other than a joke...by all means do so....I'll enjoy re-educating you since the education you paid for was obviously a ripoff.

wow, you have some real issues. so much anger and hatred, for what? a silly discussion? get laid, work out, do something other than sit on a board making silly comments about shit you disagree with...seriously, i'm totally sorry to have posted comments that basically made you lose your shit and start attacking like a rabid dog with no sense. you should learn how to post with come civility, you sound like a hick from the sticks. i'll just put you on the ignore list now, no need to continue feeding your hatred, that's not what i'm about.

hmm, apparently i can't ignore you because you're a mod/admin. it's hilarious that you have such a task on spurstalk and talk about dicks in the mouth, etc., classy.

[whottt]

huge bailout

Adios.







hmm, apparently i can't ignore you because you're a mod/admin.

I coulda told you that...then again, I can tell you a lot of things you don't know...




it's hilarious that you have such a task on spurstalk and talk about dicks in the mouth, etc., classy.


It is funny isn't it? I think so too...

Oh and way to insult the board admins by insulting their moderator choices...
Equally Classy.

Obviously, they must be doing something right, or you wouldn't be here, now would you?

[whottt]

PS:

Spurs = 3 Rings

Mavs = 0

[Purple & Gold]

:lmao whottt sounds like a scared ass little bitch.

And he's ignorant as fuck. :lmao

[ABDENOUR POWER]

I just read this entire thread.... WOW. You people know how to argue. :lol

[Jelly]

www.prisonplanet.com

There have been blatant family trees linking pretty much every american president and major politician to the royal bloodlines of europe as well. At the link they had proof that kerry and bush in fact shared the same european ancestor, during the 2004 election.

Theres an entire school of thought that thinks the european nobles never really lost power, they're still in power, and have always been, like they always will be

Faded - you could not be further from the truth. In fact, most U.S. presidents (particularly in the past century) had no European Royal bloodlines whatsover. Many of our presidents grew up poor. The others were working/middle class with a few that were born into wealth....but that was "New World Wealth" that their immigrant parents or grandparents worked for. The Kennedy's wealth certainly had nothing to do with Old World influence. They came here dirt poor. I'd be very surprised if you can find 5 presidents since our nation's birth that had royal lineage.

And your last statement is a joke. We barely get along with Europeans and they have very little influence on American foreign policy.

[whottt]

:lmao whottt sounds like a scared ass little bitch.

And he's ignorant as fuck. :lmao


:sleep

[shelshor]

...like a hick from the sticks. ...
Why do you have such a problem with country folks? Or are you just a Big City Maggot?

[leemajors]

Faded - you could not be further from the truth. In fact, most U.S. presidents (particularly in the past century) had no European Royal bloodlines whatsover. Many of our presidents grew up poor. The others were working/middle class with a few that were born into wealth....but that was "New World Wealth" that their immigrant parents or grandparents worked for. The Kennedy's wealth certainly had nothing to do with Old World influence. They came here dirt poor. I'd be very surprised if you can find 5 presidents since our nation's birth that had royal lineage.

And your last statement is a joke. We barely get along with Europeans and they have very little influence on American foreign policy.

ehh, many presidents have/had bilderberger and bohemian grove connections.

[Jelly]

ehh, many presidents have/had bilderberger and bohemian grove connections.

?????
Was that a joke? If you're being serious, please elaborate. thanks

[smeagol]

Faded - you could not be further from the truth. In fact, most U.S. presidents (particularly in the past century) had no European Royal bloodlines whatsover. Many of our presidents grew up poor. The others were working/middle class with a few that were born into wealth....but that was "New World Wealth" that their immigrant parents or grandparents worked for. The Kennedy's wealth certainly had nothing to do with Old World influence. They came here dirt poor. I'd be very surprised if you can find 5 presidents since our nation's birth that had royal lineage.

And your last statement is a joke. We barely get along with Europeans and they have very little influence on American foreign policy.
Don't tell that to CbF! He lives and breathes these kinds of conspiracy theories . . .

[smeagol]

:lmao whottt sounds like a scared ass little bitch.

And he's ignorant as fuck. :lmao
I thought you were not going to post in the political forum again.

Be a man of your word.

[xrayzebra]

I thought you were not going to post in the political forum again.

Be a man of your word.

Being a little kind aren't you by calling him a "man". :p: