It Figures: French Insurgents Fighting US Killed in Iraq

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4023021.stm


Three Frenchmen have died fighting with insurgents against US-led troops in Iraq, reports say.

The men, all of Arab origin, were killed in the country over recent months as the insurgency has flared.

Two of the men were aged 19 and the third was 24 years old, a French official said.

Authorities estimate that around a dozen Frenchmen of North African or Arab background have travelled to Iraq to join the insurgency.


French newspaper Le Figaro says the men were helped to cross into Iraq by contacts in Syria.

[Duff McCartney]

Stupid post.

Wasn't that guy in Al-Qaeda an American? John Walker or whatever?

[Hook Dem]

Stupid post.

Wasn't that guy in Al-Qaeda an American? John Walker or whatever?
Maybe you will enlighten us all oh great one as to how it is a "stupid post".

[Duff McCartney]

Maybe you will enlighten us all oh great one as to how it is a "stupid post".

It's stupid because it doesn't matter where they are from...I notice he put that they are french on the title...but not that they are of Arab origin. Like being French is even more of a reason not to like them.

[Hook Dem]

" Like being French is even more of a reason not to like them." ...................It isn't? :lol

[exstatic]

There have been several Americans apprehended in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Those damn Americans!

Paint with too broad a brush and you quickly get paint on yourself.

[Hook Dem]

There have been several Americans apprehended in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Those damn Americans!

Paint with too broad a brush and you quickly get paint on yourself.
Got France's backside have ya Ex? :lol

[samikeyp]

Hey, you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

[exstatic]

Considering that the French ruled most of North Africa for years and years, it's not too surprising that these Islamic folks have their passports, Mikey.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Like being French is even more of a reason not to like them.

Yeah, pretty much.

Hey, if Dan can apply the all Marines are murdering women and children bullshit, I don't see what the big deal is with my dig at the French.

[samikeyp]

I get that Ex but still, if they are going to shoot at our troops we are going to shoot back.

[exstatic]

I agree, Mikey. Just saying that they are on passports of convenience, while the nabbed Yanks were pretty much native born. Be glad that foreign fighters are dead, regardless of what their passports were. Being glad they were French is like rooting against Tony Parker because he holds a French passport: stupid.

[Duff McCartney]

Hey, if Dan can apply the all Marines are murdering women and children bullshit, I don't see what the big deal is with my dig at the French.

Nice...not only do you oppose whatever Dan posts, you follow his methods.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That was a tongue in cheek comment there Duff.

I hate the French because they're a bunch of pussies. I feel a lot better about Iraq now though. If the French are fighting on the side of the insurgents it's only a matter of time before we win.

[exstatic]

Duff is right. You are all a bunch of mirror Dans.

[dcole50]

I hate the French because they're a bunch of pussies. I feel a lot better about Iraq now though. If the French are fighting on the side of the insurgents it's only a matter of time before we win.You hate an entire nation and people? All of them? Except for Tony Parker, I guess. Your post makes it appear like France as a nation is supporting these insurgents.

exstatic presents a very good argument involving the Americans apprehended in Afghanistan. So, basically .. what he said.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Sorry, Chirac was a sellout. 2 billion dollars from Saddam, and he stood up and tried to CB us in the UN.

Fuck him, and fuck his country. It doesn't apply to Tony because he's the first guy from over there I've seen who acts like he has a pair.

Chirac's a crook, he's going to be arrested the day he leaves office for corruption as a mayor. 'Nuff said.

[Hook Dem]

Duff is right. You are all a bunch of mirror Dans.
And of course, you see yourself as the all knowing wize wizard who must come to the defense of Dan because he is a Democrat. Go ahead and refute that but we all know it is the truth.

[NeoConIV]

Sorry, Chirac was a sellout. 2 billion dollars from Saddam, and he stood up and tried to CB us in the UN.

Fuck him, and fuck his country. It doesn't apply to Tony because he's the first guy from over there I've seen who acts like he has a pair.

Chirac's a crook, he's going to be arrested the day he leaves office for corruption as a mayor. 'Nuff said.

Ooops, you forgot how how Chirac is in the process of transferring French missle technology to China.

Boy, I just LOVE FRANCE!!! Don't you?

[gophergeorge]

I believe our beloved Tony Parker is TECHNICALLY a Belgium-American...

Just because he grew up in a Pussy Country, doesn't make him a pussy.

[Hook Dem]

I believe our beloved Tony Parker is TECHNICALLY a Belgium-American...

Just because he grew up in a Pussy Country, doesn't make him a pussy.
Thanks once again for setting things straight GG.

[Duff McCartney]

Fuck him, and fuck his country.

Amazing how one person can make you hate an entire race. I bet you hate all Arabs because of what happened to on 9/11.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

No Duff, I hate France because of everything they've done since we saved their ass in WWII.

From not letting us use their airspace in the Libya raid, to begging for us to bail them out in Vietnam and then leaving us with the mess, to not being able to handle shit in Bosnia and having to have us come bail them out again.

If it weren't for French wine, French bread, and French maid outfits, that country wouldn't have contributed jack shit to this one.

As for Arabs, don't hate 'em all, just the asshole radical "kill everyone but the Muslims" faction.

[2pac]

Here are tens of thousands of reasons why France owes us forever.

94th Infantry
http://www.94thinfdiv.com/94thWarMemorialFrance.jpg

Normandy, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/no3w.jpg


http://www.abmc.gov/images/su6.jpg

Aisne-Marne, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/am1w.jpg

Brittany, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/br1w.jpg

Epinal, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/ep1w.jpg

Lorraine, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/lo3w.jpg

Meuse-Argonne, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/ma1w.jpg

Oise-Aisne, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/oa3w.jpg

Rhone, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/rh3w.jpg

Somme, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/so3w.jpg

St. Mihiel, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/sm1w.jpg

Suresnes, France
http://www.abmc.gov/images/su1w.jpg

There are about 125,000 young Americans who never made it back across the Atlantic after fighting for the freedom of France. The French desecrate the sacrifice made by these young men by being the ungrateful bastards they have always been. They have been taken over twice by Germany in the last 100 years, and they would be Nazis right now had it not been for America.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

^^^^^^^^

A-fucking-men.

[Duff McCartney]

Alot of people would be Nazis if it wasn't for the US? You're saying that accepting the help of the US obligates France to do anything the Us wants it to? Even if it doesn't agree with it? That's stupid.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Um, no. He's saying we bailed their asses out and now they're a bunch of fucking sellouts and sackless wonders (when the chips are down in war time).

We gave them 125K of our young and precious American lives to save their country, and all it took was 1.7 billion from Saddam to Chirac for him to sell us out.

That's an insult to every American, in both WWI and WWII, who bailed their sackless ass out of trouble.

An insult to the victims of the Lockerbee Flight that was bombed by Libya. An insult to all those who fought and died in Vietnam (that was originally France's war).

An insult to any and all troops we lost over in Bosnia, because the sorry ass French, among others, couldn't handle things in their own backyard.

[Nbadan]

to begging for us to bail them out in Vietnam

Nice pics. The French never begged us to bail them out of Vietnam. The U.S. was still fighting the colonial wars with Britian and France at this time, but in a under-handed way. The U.S. wanted France out of Asia, so we gave the precursor to the Vietcong weapons (left overs from WW2) to attack a French weapons depot. That surprising defeat gave the rebels all the ammo and momentum they needed to force the French out of Vietnam. As in Afghanistan, the administration at the time didn't know what a kind of a hornets nest they were sturring in Vietnam by supporting the rebels until a decade later.

[Nbadan]

There are about 125,000 young Americans who never made it back across the Atlantic after fighting for the freedom of France. The French desecrate the sacrifice made by these young men by being the ungrateful bastards they have always been. They have been taken over twice by Germany in the last 100 years, and they would be Nazis right now had it not been for America.

For the freedom of France? The U.S. was fighting for the liberty and freedom of the U.S.. The battles just happened to be in France. Thanks to trench war-fare in the war that would end all wars, that would make any of the chickenhawks on this board cry like babies in their boots, the french lost 1,375,800 troops. The U.S. total fatality count in WW1 dwarfed at 125,000.

For those who are intrested in real info on the bravado of French troops in WW1, and less spin from those on the right, here is a great essay on the horrors of trench-warfare during the last Great War...


The first World War was a horrible experience for all sides
involved. No one was immune to the effects of this global conflict and
each country was affected in various ways. However, one area of
relative comparison can be noted in the experiences of the French and
German soldiers. In gaining a better understanding of the French
experience, Wilfred Owen's Dulce et Decorum Est was particularly
useful. Regarding the German soldier's experience, various selections
from Erice Maria Remarque's All Quiet on the Western Front proved to
be a valuable source of insight. A analysis of the above mentioned
sources, one can note various similarities between the German and
French armies during World War I in the areas of trench warfare,
ill-fated troops, and military technology. Trench warfare was totally
unbiased. The trench did not discriminate between cultures. This "new
warfare" was unlike anything the world had seen before, millions of
people died during a war that was supposed to be over in time for the
holidays. Each side entrenched themselves in makeshift bunkers that
attempted to provide protection from the incoming shells and brave
soldiers. After receiving an order to overtake the enemies bunker,
soldiers trounced their way through the land between the opposing
armies that was referred to as "no man's land." The direness of the
war was exemplified in a quotation taken from Remarque's All Quiet on
the Western Front, "Attacks alternate with counter-attacks and slowly
the dead pile up in the field of craters between the trenches. We
are able to bring in most of the wounded that do not lie too far off.
But many have long to wait and we listen to them dying." (382) After
years of this trench warfare, corpses of both German and French
soldiers began to pile up and soldiers and civilians began to realize
the futility of trench warfare.
However, it was many years before any major thrusts were made
along the Western front. As soldiers past away, recruits were ushered
to the front to replenish the dead and crippled. These recruits were
typically not well prepared for the rigors of war and were very often
mowed down due to their stupidity. Both the French and Germans were
guilty of sending ill-prepared youths to the front under the guise
that "It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country." (380) Owen's
Dulce et Decorum Est is a prime example of this "false optimism"
created by the military machine in France to recruit eager new troops
to die a hero's death on the front lines. Remarque also alluded to the
fact incompetent young recruits were sentence to death. In reference
to the young recruits Remarque stated, "It brings a lump into the
throat to see how they go over, and run and fall. A man would like to
spank them, they are so stupid, and to take them by the arm and lead
them away from here where they have no business to be." (383)
Millions of French and German soldiers, both young and old lost
their lives during this world-wide struggle for survival. It is not
necessary for one to go through an intense amount of abstraction in
order to note similarities in the weaponry each side employed during
the first World War. "Bombardment, barrage, curtain-fire, mines, gas,
tanks, machine-guns, hand grenades" were all weapons that served the
same purpose. (383) It did not matter if these weapons were in the
hands of German or French soldiers, they all indiscriminately dealt
death to the opposition. Gas was a particularly horrid creation. It
would seeming spring out of the ground without much notice and if one
did not seek the security of a gas mask, dreams would be smothered
"under a green sea" and as one solider stated (in reference to those
who were caught up in the pungent clouds of death) "He plunges at me,
guttering, choking, drowning." (380) Typical sights for soldiers on
any given day were "men without mouths, without jaws, without faces;
we find one man who has held the artery of his arm in his teeth for
two hours in order not to bleed to death. (384) The destructive
weapons of war contributed to the massive amount of death neither the
French nor German army could escape.
Both the accounts looked at in this inquiry unveil a mass of
similarities between German and French soldiers during the First World
War. Based on Remarque's firsthand encounters with trench warfare in
World War I and Owen's vivid descriptions of the French soldiers
experiences it is unduly apparent that many perished along the Western
front. All of this death rarely yielded more than a few hundred yards
for the "victor." However, regarding trench warfare, one could argue
that there were no victors, only losers in a hopeless battle for
territorial supremacy.

Cyber Essay (http://www.cyberessays.com/History/97.htm)

http://www.geocities.com/~worldwar1/argonne.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/~worldwar1/verdunke.jpg

http://www.home.zonnet.nl/rene.brouwer/wp08.jpg

[Hook Dem]

We get it Dan! The French are the shining example for all to see. The part we don't get though is why you live here instead of with those "brave" French. Begone from us. We don't deserve you. Thanks for opening our eyes.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The U.S. was still fighting the colonial wars with Britian and France at this time, but in a under-handed way. The U.S. wanted France out of Asia, so we gave the precursor to the Vietcong weapons (left overs from WW2) to attack a French weapons depot.

Um, no. Paris made a diplomatic request for assistance against the rising tide of communism in east Asia, and with the Cold War being what it was we obliged.

Dumb jock, you shouldn't have skipped all those history classes.

[Hook Dem]

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php French Troops Shoot Unarmed Civilians In this MPEG video, you can see French troops firing indiscriminately on unarmed Ivory Coast civilians (If you want to see the MPEG video, it is 100.7MB big. Go to Little Green Footballs to download it.)


I want to see what kind of stink the MSM will make of a bunch of French soldiers shooting unarmed civilians!! At least the man that our Marine shot was a TERRORIST, who the day before had been shooting at and probably killing our Marines...