Mavs @ Hornets thread (Dirk not playing)

[MarkCuban]

he has flu-like symptoms. being the warrior that he is, he tried to convince me to play, but i simply wouldnt let him. his future is at stake here, and im not saying its fatal, but we just dont know guys, we just dont know. i mean influenza is serious stuff. people have died. i want all of your prayers to be with Dirk tonight guys :cry :cry :cry

alright Cubes out

[Flight3107]

Dirk is playing

[SpursDynasty]

I need Dallas to lose at least two more games this season. We can't have a losing team of the Finals come out and win 70 games. If they go 69-13, then ok. But not 70.

[mikejones99]

Line dropped 3 points or more due to Dirk sickness

[ponky]

:lol....i *heart* the mavs, this has been a very good road trip. the hornets fans are so loud, it's a shame they will be leaving okc after this season with all the enthusiasm in that arena

[bdictjames]

Never trust Cuban's word kids.

[ponky]

*tsk tsk tsk* hornets keeping it real

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

if Tyson Chandler was traded to the Suns i have little doubt that he would produce the same if not more than Stoudemire

[Flight3107]

if Tyson Chandler was traded to the Suns i have little doubt that he would produce the same if not more than Stoudemire


What a silly thing to say

[kingsfan]

Come on Hornets. I have to watch it in Chinese but oh well, better than nothing.

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

What a silly thing to say

Chandler has developed post moves, gets more rebounds, and can jump higher than Stoudemire which is ridiculous. Chandler should win the league's most improved player award.

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

Come on Hornets. I have to watch it in Chinese but oh well, better than nothing.
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[Amarelooms]

Come on Hornets. I have to watch it in Chinese but oh well, better than nothing.

you watching on the net? what channel?

[kingsfan]

Yeap ppmate netTV, I don't know the channel but I can't get it to work on tvu or WMP so chinese it is http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smidepressed.gif
http://dewsaw.com/sports/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,68/

[Greg Oden]

chinese? lmao. I'd just listen to music while watching to game instead of listening to chinese.

[kingsfan]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif it's on mute but it sounds funny when they say the players names after not understanding anything else.

[ponky]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif it's on mute but it sounds funny when they say the players names after not understanding anything else.

i've watched games on CCTV, it's cool, especially when the rockets are playing, they get crazy excited

[mikejones99]

Ray Allen might play in Oklahoma next year.

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

nice play to Chandler. good to see him not go down the Kwame Brown route

[Flight3107]

Ray Allen might play in Oklahoma next year.


No he wont

[BUMP]

Mavs up by 21. theyre pretty damn good

[ponky]

it's so nice to see the mavs not kicking back and losing the double digit lead late in the game. i wonder if pops and jj will see some time in the fourth

JHO with the four point play!

[LakeShow]

If this keeps up, you can look forward to the "Mavs are Better without Dirk" talk. :rolleyes :lol

[ponky]

If this keeps up, you can look forward to the "Mavs are Better without Dirk" talk. :rolleyes :lol

lol, dirk's not 100% but he's playing

[ponky]

hey RonMexico, here's some stats for you:

Josh Howard 10-16 FGM-A, 2-2 3pts, 3-3 FTM-A, 10 boards (7 defensive), 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocked shots, 25 points

[LakeShow]

lol, dirk's not 100% but he's playing

:oops I thought he wasn't playing.

[ponky]

:oops I thought he wasn't playing.

idiot poster who started the thread didn't know what he was talking about...dirk was ill in atlanta the other night and they said he was a game time decision tonight but earlier, avery said he expected him to be available. he's had an alright game but it's really been jho's night.

[LakeShow]

idiot poster who started the thread didn't know what he was talking about...dirk was ill in atlanta the other night and they said he was a game time decision tonight but earlier, avery said he expected him to be available. he's had an alright game but it's really been jho's night.

:rolleyes Why am I not surprised?

I haven't been following the game but it looks like the mavs are kicking ass!

[kingsfan]

This game is boring http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smisleep.gif

[ponky]

:rolleyes Why am I not surprised?

I haven't been following the game but it looks like the mavs are kicking ass!

yeah, when croshere starts skying, well, it's over :lol

should be an easy win for the lakers tonight as well!

[Xylus]

if Tyson Chandler was traded to the Suns i have little doubt that he would produce the same if not more than Stoudemire
Yeahhh. I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there... -Bill Lumbergh

[monosylab1k]

Yeahhh. I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there... -Bill Lumbergh

Tyson Chandler can do everything better than Amare except score points. Granted, scoring points is a huge part of the game....but EVERY other aspect of the game, Chandler > Stoudemire.

[monosylab1k]

I kinda wish Dirk hadn't played....it would have been interesting to see them play under a little adversity.

Plus, at this point, any time they can give Dirk a night off, they need to. At least they dismantled them quickly and got JJ and Maurice in there early.

[ponky]

dang, i really wish hit was pops instead of ager tonight :(

at least jj's in the game! :)

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Tyson Chandler can do everything better than Amare except score points. Granted, scoring points is a huge part of the game....but EVERY other aspect of the game, Chandler > Stoudemire.

i agree but stoudamire is known for his scoring lol so not really a comparison

[ponky]

I kinda wish Dirk hadn't played....it would have been interesting to see them play under a little adversity.

Plus, at this point, any time they can give Dirk a night off, they need to. At least they dismantled them quickly and got JJ and Maurice in there early.

dirk only played 23 min, not bad at all and it was nice to see jho take up the slack

[ponky]

lmao, dirk's soooooo cute laughing at diop on the bench (sorry guys)

[Rip-Hamilton32]

lmao, dirk's soooooo cute laughing at diop on the bench (sorry guys)

:ihit :downspin: :dizzy :elephant :bang

[ponky]

NOOOOOOO! get back up to 20 now!!! i blame this on ager :lol

[monosylab1k]

NOOOOOOO! get back up to 20 now!!! i blame this on ager :lol

I know he's a rookie and he's not going to be expected to do anything....but 90% of the time Ager is out there, he looks like a guy that really has no business being an NBA player.

"Hey, Maurice Ager, you're an NBA player?"

"Noooo, but i DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!"

Hopefully he's gaining good knowlege so that next season he can make some sort of a contribution.

[ponky]

I know he's a rookie and he's not going to be expected to do anything....but 90% of the time Ager is out there, he looks like a guy that really has no business being an NBA player.

"Hey, Maurice Ager, you're an NBA player?"

"Noooo, but i DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!"

Hopefully he's gaining good knowlege so that next season he can make some sort of a contribution.

:lol at the holiday inn reference. yeah i agree. did he do all 4 years at michigan state? at least jj and pops don't seem like they get frazzled as much being out on the court, that's good enough for games like this where they just need to close out.

[Xylus]

Tyson Chandler can do everything better than Amare except score points. Granted, scoring points is a huge part of the game....but EVERY other aspect of the game, Chandler > Stoudemire.
Stoudemire - 21 pts, 10 rebs, 33 min/gm
Chandler - 9.5 pts, 12.5 rebs, 35 min/gm

Chandler averages half a block more than Stoudemire per game. You're right. Statistically, Chandler outperforms Stoudemire in most categories. But how often do you see Tyson Chandler demoralize a team? Perhaps you'll recall the last Suns-Mavs game, where Stoudemire couldn't miss a shot in the 4th quarter or overtime. Or the '05 Suns-Spurs series where he averaged like 38 points and 13 rebounds a game. Plus, the guy's recovering from microfracture surgery and continues to improve and develop his game.

Give me Stoudemire over two Tyson Chandlers anyday. :)

[ponky]

dang, did the wolves really lose a 15 point lead in the last 6 min of the 4th to a sonics team withou ray allen? one point game, a minute twenty left in OT

[monosylab1k]

Stoudemire - 21 pts, 10 rebs, 33 min/gm
Chandler - 9.5 pts, 12.5 rebs, 35 min/gm

Chandler averages half a block more than Stoudemire per game. You're right. Statistically, Chandler outperforms Stoudemire in most categories. But how often do you see Tyson Chandler demoralize a team? Perhaps you'll recall the last Suns-Mavs game, where Stoudemire couldn't miss a shot in the 4th quarter or overtime. Or the '05 Suns-Spurs series where he averaged like 38 points and 13 rebounds a game. Plus, the guy's recovering from microfracture surgery and continues to improve and develop his game.

Give me Stoudemire over two Tyson Chandlers anyday. :)

I'll take Amare's explosiveness any day as well. But if Tyson Chandler were to ever get a clue on offense, he'll blow Amare out of the water. Of course that's a big IF....plus there's always a chance that Amare will get a clue on defense too.

Chandler's more physically gifted....but Amare's ability to put the ball in the basket definitely makes him far more valuable right now.

[Nashfan]

Stoudemire - 21 pts, 10 rebs, 33 min/gm
Chandler - 9.5 pts, 12.5 rebs, 35 min/gm

Chandler averages half a block more than Stoudemire per game. You're right. Statistically, Chandler outperforms Stoudemire in most categories. But how often do you see Tyson Chandler demoralize a team? Perhaps you'll recall the last Suns-Mavs game, where Stoudemire couldn't miss a shot in the 4th quarter or overtime. Or the '05 Suns-Spurs series where he averaged like 38 points and 13 rebounds a game. Plus, the guy's recovering from microfracture surgery and continues to improve and develop his game.

Give me Stoudemire over two Tyson Chandlers anyday. :)
:tu

[ponky]

who cares about amare and chandler? amare wouldn't get more than half his shots if it weren't for nash and speculation about chandler is pointless. anyway, mavs should have an easy time tomorrow getting their 60th win playing a bucks team without bogut or villanueva.

[Nashfan]

I'll take Amare's explosiveness any day as well. But if Tyson Chandler were to ever get a clue on offense, he'll blow Amare out of the water. Of course that's a big IF....plus there's always a chance that Amare will get a clue on defense too.

Chandler's more physically gifted....but Amare's ability to put the ball in the basket definitely makes him far more valuable right now.


I have to disagree with you here on Chandler being more physically gifted than Amare. What about Chandler's game gives you this impression?

[Nashfan]

who cares about amare and chandler? amare wouldn't get more than half his shots if it weren't for nash and speculation about chandler is pointless. anyway, mavs should have an easy time tomorrow getting their 60th win playing a bucks team without bogut or villanueva.


Guess you have not noticed that Amare can shoot jumpshots now. I don't think Nash helps him shoot those.

[ponky]

lol, at this suns article i just read about their 20 point win over the grizz...it was the second game of a BTB and d'antoni left his starters in the game until the end...and they won by 20? awesome!

oh yeah, and d'antoni, as spokesman for the team, said that they were out of sync but it had nothing to do with being tired. awesome!

[ponky]

Guess you have not noticed that Amare can shoot jumpshots now. I don't think Nash helps him shoot those.

guess you didn't notice that i didn't say ALL of Amare's shots.

[Nashfan]

who cares about amare and chandler? amare wouldn't get more than half his shots if it weren't for nash and speculation about chandler is pointless. anyway, mavs should have an easy time tomorrow getting their 60th win playing a bucks team without bogut or villanueva.


I believe you said Amare would not get more than half his shots if it weren't for Nash. I never said that you said all his shots from Nash. Fine line I know, but still Amare is getting much better creating his own shot. Not even close to Dirk but he has to start somewhere and he is only 24.

[ponky]

I believe you said Amare would not get more than half his shots if it weren't for Nash. I never said that you said all his shots from Nash. Fine line I know, but still Amare is getting much better creating his own shot. Not even close to Dirk but he has to start somewhere and he is only 24.

no, not even close to dirk and he never will be...nash won't be around forever and certainly won't be around when amare is dirk's age right now. amare is athletic as hell and he's a very good post player with an average jumpshooting game. when he takes it in the paint and gets the feeds from nash, he's unstoppable and often gets to the free throw line. he's getting better on the defensive end but still has a ways to go, like dirk. he won't continue to improve though, i don't see it, not without someone like nash by his side.

[Nashfan]

no, not even close to dirk and he never will be...nash won't be around forever and certainly won't be around when amare is dirk's age right now. amare is athletic as hell and he's a very good post player with an average jumpshooting game. when he takes it in the paint and gets the feeds from nash, he's unstoppable and often gets to the free throw line. he's getting better on the defensive end but still has a ways to go, like dirk. he won't continue to improve though, i don't see it, not without someone like nash by his side.

He actually had good numbers with Marbury at the point. I would have to do some research on his exact numbers but he isn't totally dependent on Nash. He is a great player in his own right and plays a totally different game than Dirk. Doesn't make him any less of a player though.

[ponky]

He actually had good numbers with Marbury at the point. I would have to do some research on his exact numbers but he isn't totally dependent on Nash. He is a great player in his own right and plays a totally different game than Dirk. Doesn't make him any less of a player though.

Until he can win a couple of games without Nash at his side I won't say that he's on the same level as Dirk. Maybe he will be someday, he's still young and developing, but I don't see it. Amare's fg% is more than a point higher since Nash has been with the Suns (second time around, of course) and this isn't by coincidence. Don't get me wrong, Amare is a very good basketball player, one of the best, but he's not anywhere near the type of player that Dirk is, they should not be compared.

[monosylab1k]

lol, at this suns article i just read about their 20 point win over the grizz...it was the second game of a BTB and d'antoni left his starters in the game until the end...and they won by 20? awesome!

Haha that's cuz Dantoni knows that if he took his starters out, that team could very easily lose a 20 point lead in about 3 minutes. Literally 3 minutes. Maybe less.

[u2sarajevo]

Actually I think D'Antoni was trying to get the point differential high enough to jump the Mavs in the Hollinger ratings....

[monosylab1k]

I have to disagree with you here on Chandler being more physically gifted than Amare. What about Chandler's game gives you this impression?

The fact that he can block shots, rebound, body up in the post, jump out of the gym like nobody else, run the floor with ease, and do everything except be in position on offense to do anything at all. but he's getting better at that.

[Nashfan]

The fact that he can block shots, rebound, body up in the post, jump out of the gym like nobody else, run the floor with ease, and do everything except be in position on offense to do anything at all. but he's getting better at that.


You basically just described Amare. He can run the floor with ease, rebound, block shots, body up in the post and is learning to get assists and shoot a jumpshot. I watch him a lot more than you I would think. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

[Amare_32]

no, not even close to dirk and he never will be...nash won't be around forever and certainly won't be around when amare is dirk's age right now. amare is athletic as hell and he's a very good post player with an average jumpshooting game. when he takes it in the paint and gets the feeds from nash, he's unstoppable and often gets to the free throw line. he's getting better on the defensive end but still has a ways to go, like dirk. he won't continue to improve though, i don't see it, not without someone like nash by his side.


Ponky lets save it for Sunday. :lol

[ponky]

Ponky lets save it for Sunday. :lol

oh i'll be here, but oddly enough, i'm not even that excited about the game on sunday. i'm glad harris will get to play the entire game and we have george and buckner back but i'm just getting a bit tired of the regular season and it seems like the mavs have the first seed wrapped up for the most part so it's not quite so exciting for me. i expect it will be a close game but i will admit, it would be nice if the mavs could trounce the suns on sunday...and by that i mean win by ten points :lol

[Fillmoe]

will it be exciting when the mavs lose in the playoffs?

[Flight3107]

Will it be exciting when you get a life?

[Amare_32]

oh i'll be here, but oddly enough, i'm not even that excited about the game on sunday. i'm glad harris will get to play the entire game and we have george and buckner back but i'm just getting a bit tired of the regular season and it seems like the mavs have the first seed wrapped up for the most part so it's not quite so exciting for me. i expect it will be a close game but i will admit, it would be nice if the mavs could trounce the suns on sunday...and by that i mean win by ten points :lol

Yeah I think that ABC will make a bigger deal of the game then it really is. Both teams have playoff spots secured so is not really a must win for either team. Although it will be nice if the Suns win to even the regular season series.

[Fillmoe]

Will it be exciting when you get a life?












U MAD? :lol :lol

[Flight3107]

U MAD? :lol :lol


Yeah, Im furious. :rolleyes

[ponky]

will it be exciting when the mavs lose in the playoffs?

slightly more so than kings fans watching it from home and then realizing they played well enough to bump them out of the top five draft picks

[dallaskd]

Dallas owns New Orleans.....Fillmoe the Kings suck and I think you know that but hey their making a run for the 8th seed. :lol I'd love to play Sacramento in the first round despite our previous success vs them in the playoffs.

[ponky]

Dallas owns New Orleans.....Fillmoe the Kings suck and I think you know that but hey their making a run for the 8th seed. :lol I'd love to play Sacramento in the first round despite our previous success vs them in the playoffs.

fillmoe wants the kings to lose as much as possible so that they will do well in the draft...he's also a bulls fan and let's this be known whenever the kings lose/bulls win on the same day

[Amare_32]

Dallas owns New Orleans.....Fillmoe the Kings suck and I think you know that but hey their making a run for the 8th seed. :lol I'd love to play Sacramento in the first round despite our previous success vs them in the playoffs.

New Orleans has a good core with Paul,West and Chandler and thier rookie Armstrong seems to have some upside. But I still can't understand why they went after Peja.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

I Love My Boys!!!! I Fucking Love Em Especially Josh Fucking Howard!!!!!! :)

[SpursDynasty]

hey RonMexico, here's some stats for you:

Josh Howard 10-16 FGM-A, 2-2 3pts, 3-3 FTM-A, 10 boards (7 defensive), 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocked shots, 25 points

Anybody can do that vs. the Hornets.

[Xylus]

I'll take Amare's explosiveness any day as well. But if Tyson Chandler were to ever get a clue on offense, he'll blow Amare out of the water. Of course that's a big IF....plus there's always a chance that Amare will get a clue on defense too.

Chandler's more physically gifted....but Amare's ability to put the ball in the basket definitely makes him far more valuable right now.
If Chandler started to develop his skills on offense, then he would definitely be a potent threat (much like Dwight Howard is going to be in these upcoming years). But Amare is a different kind of beast.

While Chandler certainly has the talent to become an all-star, Amare has the talent to change the game of basketball simply by force of will, along with Wade and Lebron. If only his knees would hold up.

[LEONARD]

Anybody can do that vs. the Hornets.

says the guy that said:


Just ask the unheard of players before the Spurs series such as Josh Howard and Jason Terry. Who really even knew who those guys were before the Spurs series last year?

Pure genius...