Dpoy?

[CruelMonkey]

Who should get DPOY this year?

Personally, I think Duncan should finally get one.

[monosylab1k]

mark madsen

[bdictjames]

I just watched a video on yahoo!sports, Kerr's pick was Duncan. Too bad Wallace aint gonna repeat this year he has been doing below expectations.

[JamStone]

1. Marcus Camby
2. Dwight Howard
3. Gerald Wallace (probably doesn't have a chance, but he deserves consideration)
4. Shane Battier
5. Tim Duncan/Kevin Garnett

[JamStone]

I just watched a video on yahoo!sports, Kerr's pick was Duncan. Too bad Wallace aint gonna repeat this year he has been doing below expectations.


When 10.8 rebounds per game, 2.08 blocks per game, and 1.47 steals per game are below expectations, those are pretty high expectations.

Consider that Tim Duncan averages 10.6 rebounds per game, 2.3 blocks per game, and .84 steals per game in one fewer average minute per game, and people appear to think he's a legitimate DPOY candidate but Ben Wallace is not.

[endrity]

I take Shane and Tim over the guys you mentioned, Camby has been up and down after the All Star break because of Nene getting a ton of board in games too, and to be honest he is not a great post defender he just fills up the stat sheet with boards and blocks. That's why I think someone like Battier should be considered more. He is a better DEFENSIVE player.

[DarrinS]

Steve Nash

:lol

[CruelMonkey]

When 10.8 rebounds per game, 2.08 blocks per game, and 1.47 steals per game are below expectations, those are pretty high expectations.

Consider that Tim Duncan averages 10.6 rebounds per game, 2.3 blocks per game, and .84 steals per game in one fewer average minute per game, and people appear to think he's a legitimate DPOY candidate but Ben Wallace is not.

That's because Duncan's been anchoring the best defense in the NBA for the last, oh, decade or so

[bdictjames]

Yes that's what Kerr said. Duncan is the center of the Spurs defense, it just makes it easier for other guys to play defense when Timmy's patrolling the lane.

Tim is never stat-heavy these last couple of seasons. And the Spurs are by far the best defensive team in the league, while having the best record as of the players' teams mentioned earlier.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Granted that defense is the least quantifiable aspect of any game, if you go by the usual stats of rebounds, blocks, and steals (and we know that there's no shortage of lazy voters who will) then Emeka Okafor's name should be in the mix. Averages about 11.5 boards, 1 steal, and 2.75 blocks per game.

[JamStone]

That's because Duncan's been anchoring the best defense in the NBA for the last, oh, decade or so



So, you want to give DPOD (Defensive Player of the Decade) and just make it the DPOY?

[JamStone]

Yes that's what Kerr said. Duncan is the center of the Spurs defense, it just makes it easier for other guys to play defense when Timmy's patrolling the lane.

Tim is never stat-heavy these last couple of seasons. And the Spurs are by far the best defensive team in the league, while having the best record as of the players' teams mentioned earlier.


I think Houston might be a better defensive team than the Spurs. They might not be, but I don't think the Spurs are "by far" the best, if they're even the best at all. Chicago is very good defensively as well.

[stretch]

Steve Nash

:lol
:lol , i was going to say the same thing when i saw this thread.

[DarkReign]

Spurs are not the best defensive team in the league. Theyre top 5, but not the best.

[DarkReign]

So, you want to give DPOD (Defensive Player of the Decade) and just make it the DPOY?

More or less. I personally think Duncan should have won it many times before this season.

But now you have a down year for the DPOY (Bowen would have been a lock for the award this year if you swapped this year and last), and Duncan is never, ever a bad pick for any consumate awards. MVP, DPOY, etc.

[schadenfreude52]

Duncan.

[nkdlunch]

:lol , i was going to say the same thing when i saw this thread.


I was gonna say Dirk :lol

[mardigan]

Duncan wins

[mavsfan1000]

Shane Battier.

[ploto]

Battier

[Leetonidas]

Spurs are not the best defensive team in the league. Theyre top 5, but not the best.
Spurs are #1 in Point Differential and #1 in OPPG.

[ploto]

Spurs are #3 in opponents' FG%- behind Houston and Chicago.

[E20]

Spurs are #3 in opponents' FG%- behind Houston and Chicago.
Spurs win in the other two catogeries, so therefore 2 > 1, that means SA Defense is #1.

[JamStone]

point differential is not a defensive stat. Phoenix is top 3 in point differential.

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

i would give it to Marion cause of his ability to block shots, harass the shooter, and get steals but he plays for the Suns so they wouldnt give it to him.

its a down year so id say Duncan

[Nashfan]

Steve Nash

:lol
:lmao

[Rip-Hamilton32]

bruce bowen no longer a candidate?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

bruce bowen no longer a candidate?


nah, not this season


I think Duncan is very debatable as well if only because our D feels very suspet this year compared to seasons' past.


However, it is a down year for DPOY I suppose

[ShoogarBear]

:lol Seriously, I'd like to know what's so different between this year and last year for Bowen?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol Seriously, I'd like to know what's so different between this year and last year for Bowen?


It feels like Kobe and Melo and all these other players go off on him a lot more than normal. I'd be interested to see his head to head matchups with the premeire players of the league compared to this year and last year. I'm sure his stats are close enough, but I think a lot of the Bowen doubters are pretty much basing this one only remembering the bad games which really isn't fair at all

[ambchang]

All I know is that Bowen is +6.4, with only Duncan and Ginobili having a higher +- than him (unless you count James White), and he sure isn't scoring that many points.

[stretch]

:lmao
You are probably retarded enough to actually believe he is too.

[T Park]

Bruce Bowen should, but hes not apreciated enough.

Hell as evidenced in this thread, hes not even valued by his own damn fans.

[TDMVPDPOY]

marcus camby could win it this year...

his havin a healthy year...its up to him to hold onto it till end of teh season....


duncan looms

[DarkReign]

point differential is not a defensive stat. Phoenix is top 3 in point differential.

Beat me to it.

Defensive stats include (as a team), IMO....

near the top in differential rebounding
near the top in steals
near the top in OFG%
near the top in OPPG
near the top in blocks

Im sure I could think of a few more. Like I said, theyre top 5 (no question). But not the best in the league.

[JamStone]

I would look at OPP turnovers and OPP3PT% as well.

[TonyParkerSux]

co-cadidates.... Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. :smokin

[Spurminator]

:lol Seriously, I'd like to know what's so different between this year and last year for Bowen?


He's making fewer shots. :rolleyes

[TonyParkerSux]

Kobe Bryant :fro

[JMarkJohns]

OPPG isn't nearly as telling as all the opponant statistical breakdowns. Tempo, more than defense, tends to factor in here. A couple seasons ago, didn't the Grizzlies have the lowest (or one of the lowest) OPPG? I believe so, and they were promtly swept by the Suns in the playoffs, a Suns team who was probably one of the worst teams for OPPG.

OFG% is #1, closely followed by rebounding differential, then all the various stats like blocks, steals, forced turnovers, P3FG% and then OPPG. It certainly factors in, but you just can't look at OPPG and say a team is a good defensive team. They could just be coached by Mike Fratello or Jeff Van Gundy, coaches who's teams slow things way the hell down, rebound well, but can't really get stops at all.

[Kobulingam]

Granted that defense is the least quantifiable aspect of any game, if you go by the usual stats of rebounds, blocks, and steals (and we know that there's no shortage of lazy voters who will) then Emeka Okafor's name should be in the mix. Averages about 11.5 boards, 1 steal, and 2.75 blocks per game.

Emeka? no.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Emeka? no.

You make such a compelling argument. He probably won't get much attention since he's in a small market and on a team with no real defensive reputation to speak of but that doesn't diminish his individual accomplishments. I just think that he's in the same league as Duncan and Wallace as the kind of guy that you could build a great defensive system around.

[ShoogarBear]

:lol Seriously, I'd like to know what's so different between this year and last year for Bowen?As I was saying . . .