$3.00 Gas getting to You?

[Nbadan]

Check this out:

The house that your money built in Dubai....

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[ggoose25]

sweet.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you driving out of state to buy gas?

It's $2.50 in Austin if you go to the right place.

[sa_butta]

Are you driving out of state to buy gas?

It's $2.50 in Austin if you go to the right place.Ive been getting around $2.55, but that still sucks.

[01Snake]

Dubai is the only smart place in the ME. They know that oil and the need for it isn't gonna last forever.

[clambake]

$3.00 a gallon sounds like a wet dream. $3.60 here.

[ggoose25]

isnt Dubai the place where some rich royal kid propositions a lot of famous American actresses and models to bone?

[johnsmith]

This thread is only about two years late.

[johnsmith]

Should we attack Dubai?

[clambake]

At some point, soon, there will be an attack in Dubai.

It will take place at Haliburton HQ.

[mavs>spurs2]

$3.00 a gallon sounds like a wet dream. $3.60 here.

:greedy Wow

[E20]

It's going to be 4 dollars in Cali pretty soon.

[sabar]

Its around $3.10 in Phoenix, significantly less in San Antonio and the rest of Texas. Glad I don't live in the desert.

[boutons_]

Predictions are that gas will move up in Apr/May, then go down a little bit and hold for the summer.

Americans would rather pay 100s of $Bs in high gas prices rather than pay those $Bs into economic/technological adjusments to conserve gas and move away from carbon economy.

[johnsmith]

Predictions are that gas will move up in Apr/May, then go down a little bit and hold for the summer.

Americans would rather pay 100s of $Bs in high gas prices rather than pay those $Bs into economic/technological adjusments to conserve gas and move away from carbon economy.



Yes, that's what all Americans are saying, "please, continue to screw us at the pumps". :rolleyes


You're an idiot. Furthermore, you don't even consider yourself an American anymore do you?

[01Snake]

Americans would rather pay 100s of $Bs in high gas prices rather than pay those $Bs into economic/technological adjusments to conserve gas and move away from carbon economy.

So should we all just park our cars and put all our gas money into "economic/technological adjustments"?

How will people get to work?

[xrayzebra]

Predictions are that gas will move up in Apr/May, then go down a little bit and hold for the summer.

Americans would rather pay 100s of $Bs in high gas prices rather than pay those $Bs into economic/technological adjusments to conserve gas and move away from carbon economy.

Don't worry boutons, we still wont be drilling for our
own oil right here in the USA. So we wont be polluting.

Just keep those alternate fuels coming, then we can
fight Mexico when they really get hungry down there
and you can have ethanol at 4 bucks a gallon.
Or better yet you can climb onto your skate board to
go to work on or windup car that seats one. Or better
still line up to get on mass transit and wait an hour
for it to show up. And it is really fun to carry all those
groceries on and off the bus, trolley or whatever.

You people are a riot. :dizzy

[xrayzebra]

For boutons and all his "green" buddies: Enjoy you chicken and
beef.


From The Times
April 12, 2007
Dash for green fuel pushes up price of meat in US
Carl Mortished, International Business Editor

The price of meat is set to rise in America as the nation’s helter-skelter dash to convert corn into road fuel begins to take its toll on the supply of food.

The US Department of Agriculture has said that meat supply will fall this year because of the high cost of feed. Output of beef, pork and chicken is expected to decline by one billion pounds as farmers react to the soaring cost of feeding their livestock.

Typically, meat production in the United States rises by about 2 per cent a year, but the pressure from American ethanol producers manufacturing road fuel from corn has sent the price of maize soaring to $4 a bushel.

The USDA is predicting that the 2006 corn crop will sell for an average of $3.10 a bushel at the farm gate, the highest for a decade. Faced with extortionate feed costs, cattle and poultry farmers are rearing fewer animals and slaughtering them early. That means a sudden reversal in the annual meat production gain, representing a fall of 1.7lb per person.

“There is a new demand component,” Shayle Shagam, a livestock analyst at USDA, said. “Livestock producers have to bid against the ethanol industry to get supplies of corn.”

The biofuel revolution’s unpleasant negative consequence was first felt south of Rio Grande, when the escalating price of corn affected a food staple. Mexico’s tortilla inflation crisis is spreading north to the heartland of rib-eye steak and chicken wings. The USDA predicts that food prices will rise by up to 3.5 per cent this year as farmers rein in output in response to feedstock costs.

In Washington, the International Monetary Fund added its warning about the consequences of a mass conversion of food crops into fuel. Mounting political panic over carbon emissions has encouraged politicians in European and America to raise targets for the biofuel content in a litre of petrol.

Food prices rose by 10 per cent worldwide in 2006, said the IMF in its World Economic Report, owing to a surge in corn, wheat and soybean prices. The pressure on prices will increase, says the IMF. The EU’s target of a minimum biofuel content of 10 per cent will require 18 per cent of agricultural land to be set aside for road fuel production.

Corn is a vital component of the human food chain, used as cornmeal for baking bread and tortillas, as cooking oil and corn syrup in processed foods and as animal feedstock. Vast US government subsidies for the production of ethanol, used as a petrol additive in America, has encouraged the expansion of ethanol distilleries.

Don't you just love politicians. Experts in everything, but
don't know beans, or should I say Corn, about anything.
Some more of your progressive "the sky is falling" BS about
manmade global warming and bringing down everyone's
standard of living.

[clambake]

We're going to pay high gas prices, period. At the same time, this administration has squandered a trillion dollars that could have been used to develope alternative fuels. If I recall correctly, Iraq was going to pay for this "US intervention". It would have been nice for bush to be correct about anything. Even just one thing.

[Extra Stout]

Isn't the price of gas itself an impetus to change behavior over the medium term? If people don't like the price of gas, they can make a more fuel-efficient choice for their next car purchase, or move to a house closer to work. Neither of those are short-term moves. Some people can drive less in the short term, but others can't, so there is some inelasticity in fuel demand.

We know that vehicle choices are changing, as evidenced by the collapse in SUV and truck sales. But it takes close to a decade for the nation's vehicle fleet to turn over, so a drastic jump in efficiency isn't going to happen right away.

Automakers are developing diesels, like the smooth, quiet, torquey ones available in Europe, but that can meet U.S. emissions standards. These diesels will offer typically a 40% bump in fuel economy over the equivalent gasoline engine, for $1000-$2000 more. They should be on the market in the 2008-2010 time frame (Mercedes-Benz has its new Bluetec engine available now). This offers consumers another choice, and in my opinion makes more sense than buying a gasoline-electric hybrid.

I think ethanol is just a sop to big agricultural companies to drive up their profits. It doesn't make much sense except in our convoluted regulatory scheme for farm subsidies to use ethanol as fuel.

[xrayzebra]

We're going to pay high gas prices, period. At the same time, this administration has squandered a trillion dollars that could have been used to develope alternative fuels. If I recall correctly, Iraq was going to pay for this "US intervention". It would have been nice for bush to be correct about anything. Even just one thing.

It is really not governments job to supply the market with
fuel. Had their really been a profit and demand the market
place would have met that demand and made the profit.
We have the oil in the US to meet a good portion of our
demand, but the environmental wackos get the politicians
to stop any added drilling. They will leave it up to
Cuba and China to exploit the Gulf.

[boutons_]

The problem is that gas prices are volatile, so price spikes have expectations of price drops, in the short term, so people don't drop their inefficient vehicules.

Here's where govt has legit role to play:

1. Force aggressive MPG standards onto auto mfrs.

2. Tax the retail price of cars that don't don't meet the standard. $10K excess gas consumption sales tax on the sticker price of a Hummer or mammoth SUV.

3. Set federal tax on gasoline such that the flloor price will be $3.50 - $4.00, indexed to inflation, and, yes, let people react in their purchasing decision to those FIXED gas prices. The gas tax money goes to finance reasearch into non-carbon engines, or other useful places (like pay down the national debt) instead of into the the oilco pockets and to ME countries.

Corn diverted to ethanol has already driven up the price of corn, which will drive up the price of all the shit that uses corn as an input (soft drinks, junk food, industrial food oil, beef, pork, etc).

Of course, no politicians have the leadership and courage to do what's best for the country, so we continue subsidizing Russia, Iran, VZ, terrorist-financing countries like Saudi Arabia, etc with high oil prices.

[xrayzebra]

Ah yes boutons, taxes is the answer. How about a little
unemployment to go along with it. That would really fix
things.

You remind me of all those folks who go around saying: There
ought to be a law, well except when it affects them.

[Sportcamper]

When do we start taking that oil out of the Middle East for free...?

My Suburban took 85 dollars to fill up... :dramaquee

[xrayzebra]

When do we start taking that oil out of the Middle East for free...?

My Suburban took 85 dollars to fill up... :dramaquee

Oh well, SC, just think you can watch the Ocean without
all those damn old oil wells staring you in the face.

[Bob Lanier]

It is really not governments job to supply the market with
fuel.
Actually that is the fundamental responsibility of any government.

And Dubai is a great city.

[johnsmith]

Actually that is the fundamental responsibility of any government.

And Dubai is a great city.


So when our fore fathers wrote the constitution they decided that it's the "fundamental responsibility" of our government to supply us with fuel?


Ok, bad example, they didn't have vehicles back then.

So in the early 20th century when cars were invented, the President at the time pushed a new amendment to the constitution through congress that made it a "fundamental responsibility" for the government to supply us with fuel and regulate said fuel as well?

Ok, bad example, we all know that fuel wasn't near an issue back then as it is now.

So, when exactly did it become a fundamental responsiblity of government to supply fuel?

I only ask because I'm starting to think it was actually determined to be a fundamental responsibility at around 8:57 PM on April 12th, by a man name "boblanier" who posts on spurstalk.com.

[Bob Lanier]

Governments that can't provide for reliable distribution of energy – i.e., a working economic system – tend not to last very long, no matter what their charters have to say.

[xrayzebra]

Bob, governments do not provide a distribution of energy.
Business does. Well maybe in Mexico where the industry has
been confiscated by the government.

Government can provide the atmosphere where it makes it
easier for business to do so, but thank God they stay out of
energy distribution here. As a matter of fact they hinder
distribution by their dumb rules on formulations of gasoline.
One of the reason we have periodic shortages.

[smeagol]

Stop crying. Gas in Europe is much more expensive.

[Phil Hellmuth]

Stop crying. Gas in Europe is much more expensive.

its mostly tax and plus 40% of europe use diesel cars.

[smeagol]

its mostly tax and plus 40% of europe use diesel cars.
So?

Joe "European" Blow still pays much more for gas than Joe "American" Blow