Parker and Ginobili in the last 5 minutes of the game

[ALVAREZ6]

I'm very unimpressed with both of them.

They couldn't create any offense, they just ran the clock down not knowing what to do and finish the possession with a shitty outside jumper. Why couldn't they just drive some more and score or move the fucking ball? The Spurs had many chances down the stretch to put themselves in possession to steal a game from the Mavs that was stolen from the Spurs in the first place, but they played some shitty ball in the 4th quarter.

[Leetonidas]

When the ball doesn't move through Tim and the other team is playing hard defense, that is what happens.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That's what happens when your coach ditches the pick and roll and goes to iso ball.

Stupid strategic decision, once again Pop out-thinks himself against the Mavs.

[J.T.]

I agree. Trade these fuckers right now and let's tank the season to get Oden.

[Texas_Ranger]

No Duncan no Manu & Parker.

[ducks]

Spurs Had No Time To Prepare Without No Duncan In 4

But Both Could Have Played Better
Spurs Were 2-13 From Downtown So Mavs Packed In

[Duncanoypi]

two words..Joe Crawford....im sorry...3...Joe FUCKING Crawford

[rocyaice]

Well when you're asked to play without your best player what did you expect? That is what seperates All Stars from Superstars. Duncan is the latter. Parker and Ginobilli are talented all stars.

[spurs1990]

I can only assume Pop wanted his players to lose the game as the last 4 minutes were so Grizzlies like, it couldn't be believed. Come on, Barry chucking up a fadeway 3 with plenty of time left cements my theory. Even w/o Duncan, its pretty scary to think the Spurs could peform so attrociously down the stretch.

[T Park]

That's what happens when your coach ditches the pick and roll and goes to iso ball.

Stupid strategic decision, once again Pop out-thinks himself against the Mavs.




Boy didn't see this coming....

[Borosai]

Ginobili was shaky there at the end, but Parker was making bad decisions all game. He forced up at least 3 really bad layup attempts...REALLY BAD...instead of passing out. Hopefully they learn something.

[T Park]

The offense runs through duncan.

period.

They packed the lane and the Ginobili and Parker stopped being agressive.

The game is on their shoulder's for their lack of agression.

[AFBlue]

I thought both took ill-advised shots and made ill-advised decisions throughout the ENTIRE game. Normally I'm a big Tony fan, but I think he tried to force the action too often and take scoring load on himself....it led to bad turnovers. He CANNOT play like that against the Mavs in the playoffs!

[v2freak]

This loss is not on Parker or Ginobili

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Boy didn't see this coming....

Boy, didn't see your lame ass response coming.


The offense runs through duncan.

period.

They packed the lane and the Ginobili and Parker stopped being agressive.

The game is on their shoulder's for their lack of agression.

When a team packs the lane, what do you get when you play aggressive?

A: Manu gets stripped when Buckner and Howard double team him on the wing, Parker gets his shit blocked when he tries to go one on Diop and Dirk.

I know you don't know very much about hoops, but you should just stay out of these kinds of threads.

[ALVAREZ6]

In response to the majority of the posters, no shit Duncan is the best player on the team and the offense does run through him. No one is doubting that.

That doesn't mean Tony and Manu can't do something about him not being on the floor. Just do what you know how to do, what you're paid to do. They weren't aggressive at all, and just jacked perimeter shots. Fuckin take it to the rack. Draw a foul. Anything. The Spurs were up by 4, and then 2 for a few possessions in those last 2 minutes. A few foul shots wins the game.

[AFBlue]

This loss is not on Parker or Ginobili

Obviously not, but they can both take a few things away from this game...

#1....If you penetrate into the lane and don't have intentions to pass out, you'll get your shit handed back to you. The Mavs inside guys are NOT bitches.

#2....Play the game the way you always play it. They got Tony out of his element and he was making pass-outs that he NEVER does against other teams.

#3....ok that's it, but still there are two very good takeaways.....

[1Parker1]

Both were pretty bad...but part of that blame falls on the fact that Pop had Elson + Oberto + Bowen out there for a stretch there and Mavs could concentrate on stopping Parker and Ginobili since none of those 3 players were much of a threat on offense tonight.

I really think Pop should have put in Horry or Bonner there instead of Oberto. For the first time, I had hoped Pop would put Horry in there and he doesn't. Go figure. As for Bonner, I don't understand why Pop refuses to play him and give him some regular minutes...especially during that stretch where Avery had Buckner and George in there, I think Bonner could have matched up well against them.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Both were pretty bad...but part of that blame falls on the fact that Pop had Elson + Oberto + Bowen out there for a stretch there and Mavs could concentrate on stopping Parker and Ginobili since none of those 3 players were much of a threat on offense tonight.

I really think Pop should have put in Horry or Bonner there instead of Oberto. For the first time, I had hoped Pop would put Horry in there and he doesn't. Go figure. As for Bonner, I don't understand why Pop refuses to play him and give him some regular minutes...especially during that stretch where Avery had Buckner and George in there, I think Bonner could have matched up well against them.

This is a great point. I forgot to mention it earlier, but as soon as we had Oberto, Elson, and Bowen in there Avery had that lane packed in tighter than sardines. Yay Pop!

[1Parker1]

Manu really had a hard time against the Mavs. I have to give the Mavs credit because out of all the teams in the league, I think they are really the only one I've seen who can consistently take Manu out of his element, which is really hard to do, IMO. Howard does a good job on him defensively.

As for Devin Harris, I still don't understand how this guy is a Spur killer. He has speed, sure, but transition defense should help limit this. He doesn't have much of an outside shot (Well he did today), but he always seems to hurt the Spurs the most, more so than Howard and Terry. And I never think of Devin Harris as a threat or a player other teams concentrate on stopping. Weird.

[bigfan]

I think the answer for Mr Harris is a little Mr Ely. Repeat as needed.

[nkdlunch]

No Duncan no Manu & Parker.
:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

[aaronstampler]

[QUOTE=1Parker1]Manu really had a hard time against the Mavs. I have to give the Mavs credit because out of all the teams in the league, I think they are really the only one I've seen who can consistently take Manu out of his element, which is really hard to do, IMO. Howard does a good job on him defensively.


He's averaged 16.5 points on 46% shooting for the season and he scored 16 while shooting 46% for the game. Wow, they really shut him down.


I think in the playoffs he'll get more minutes, more shots and play more with Duncan and he'll be alright. Howard doesn't worry me nearly as much as Diop. That dude can block some shots.

[T Park]

Well lets say you take out Bowen.

Who do you have guard Howard???


You let Howard run nuts? Cause Ginobili nor Parker can keep up with him.


You bitch when they don't play D, you put guys in that play D, then you bitch you don't have offense.

Thats the fuckin way it is.

[Kori Ellis]

Give me a break.

They weren't exactly expecting to play without Duncan for the last 15 minutes. Yes, the execution sucked - Parker took/missed some bad shots, Manu got stripped, Barry shot too early/didn't get set on that last 3, Finley and Bowen missed wide open three's.

But they get a fuckin pass today. They played the last 15 minutes of the game in a weird unexpected position - in the playoffs, they'll have Duncan as an option in the post. Today down the stretch J Crawford made sure they didn't have that luxury.

[T Park]

:wow

Didn't see that comin...

[George Gervin's Afro]

Give me a break.

They weren't exactly expecting to play without Duncan for the last 15 minutes. Yes, the execution sucked - Parker took/missed some bad shots, Manu got stripped, Barry shot too early/didn't get set on that last 3, Finley and Bowen missed wide open three's.

But they get a fuckin pass today. They played the last 15 minutes of the game in a weird unexpected position - in the playoffs, they'll have Duncan as an option in the post. Today down the stretch J Crawford made sure they didn't have that luxury.


I agree with Kori. I actually thought we played pretty well today. Sure we made some mistakes BUT the mavs did have their full compliment of players and stole the game in the final minute.

[SenorSpur]

Sure Parker shot his jumper very well today. I loved his aggressiveness, but I was disappointed with his "drive and kick". Of course, the 8 sec violation was totally bonehead.

Manu was his usual "high-risk", "high-reward" self. Love his energy and competitiveness, but his untimely turnovers scare me to death.

The Spurs play beautiful team basketball against other teams. Something about playing the Mavs causes these guys to pressure themselves into doing too much at times.

It's OK to give these guys a pass for this game, but I've seen these two self-destruct against this team time and again against the Mavs. That's a concern. They have to play smarter and take what is given instead of forcing the issue.

[wildbill2u]

I'm very unimpressed with both of them.

They couldn't create any offense, they just ran the clock down not knowing what to do and finish the possession with a shitty outside jumper. Why couldn't they just drive some more and score or move the fucking ball? The Spurs had many chances down the stretch to put themselves in possession to steal a game from the Mavs that was stolen from the Spurs in the first place, but they played some shitty ball in the 4th quarter.
Manu had a few miscues and TOs late in the last few minutes. He looked haunted after the game. I think he was remembering the last game of the playoffs last year and his mistake that lost that game.

Things like that start to prey on your mind. I pray he is strong enough mentally to shake it off.

[TMTTRIO]

Manu really hasn't played all that great (other than the other night) lately and that bad turnover looks like the one in the playoffs last year. I hope he starts getting his stuff together. Also sometimes I think we rely on him too much in clutch situations. Face it the other teams now know that he'll probably get the ball in the end so they're starting to get after him so it's harder for him to produce.

[AFBlue]

Of course, the 8 sec violation was totally bonehead.



My God, wasn't it? That was not long after Michelle Tafoya came back from a timeout saying Popavich had stressed to his team that they needed to advance the ball quicker and speed up the game a bit. That was a dipshit move.

Parker played very good in some stretches but also very bad in some. The Spurs will need a more consistent effort out of him...he needs to be bigger than the moment, because that moment WILL come against the Mavs.