Tim comments on Joey Crawford...

[Summers]

Taunting is an offense worthy of a technical foul. Tim Duncan was laughing at Jerry Stackhouse when he missed the freethrow. He should have been gone right then. He continued to laugh and clap anytime a foul was called against the Spurs or the Mavs missed a shot.

Tim Duncan completely embarassed himself and the Spurs today. He acted like a 9 year old on the bench.

Now, I'm obviously a Mavs fan, and I'm not bragging about the win (I will if you tempt me, don't worry!), so I don't see a lot of Spurs games. So, maybe you're all just used to Duncan acting this way, but as an outsider, let me tell you that it's not normal behavior. I guess you're all desensitized from him acting like a child all during his career. If not, you should all be complaining about the way he acted.

You all get on Cuban anytime he does stupid stuff. Duncan was acting like Mark Cuban today.

Tomorrow, when all the talking heads discuss this and express their disbelief over this ejection and nobody shares your sentiment that Duncan embarrassed himself, will you go away and take your idiot friends with you?

[T Park]

did angel flip off the camera or what :lol

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

the way this story unfolded :rollin :rollin :rollin

Makes me forget we even lost today! (not that i cared anyway)

[angel_luv]

did angel flip off the camera or what :lol


:lol I don't even think my fingers can go that way- have never tried.
And I had nothing to do with it. :angel

[ploto]

Joey Crawford will not be banned from reffing Spurs games. It just is not going to happen. People act like this is something new for Crawford. EVERY player knows that you can be T'ed up easily by him. Doesn't make it right, but Tim is over the line saying he has a personal vendetta against him.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

but Tim is over the line saying he has a personal vendetta against him.
And your a dumb sack of shit for thinking that refs don't have bigger egos than the players. :donkey

[td4mvp21]

Joey Crawford will not be banned from reffing Spurs games. It just is not going to happen. People act like this is something new for Crawford. EVERY player knows that you can be T'ed up easily by him. Doesn't make it right, but Tim is over the line saying he has a personal vendetta against him.

Once again, you think Rasho is good. Therefore, your logic is automatically registered as bullshit.

[angel_luv]

Joey Crawford will not be banned from reffing Spurs games. It just is not going to happen.

Of course you are right; just wishful thinking.


Doesn't make it right, but Tim is over the line saying he has a personal vendetta against him.


I don't know what word Timmy could have used to be more accurate.

While I agree with you that Joey wasn't up premeditating the call, he definitely had a non basketball, ego prompted agenda when making that second call.


Have you seen the replay yet? It was ridiculous.

[Kobulingam]

The scoreline of the game looked decent only because of the last second plays (had to force a three, then Mavs got 2 freethrows at the end).

If it wasn't for Duncan ejection and that bad stretch when Spurs just went retarted (2nd period), Spurs would have handed Mavs their ass.

Mavs aren't looking like they're midseason selves. Golden State could drop a load of Jizz on Avery. Let's watch the drama unfold :p:

[chevcmr68]

imagine TD 21 vs. baldy crawford at the alamodome...according to crawford he has asked tim to fight... haha stupid crawford i call for a resignation...

[T Park]

uh oh, the rasho fans disagree with each other.

I think this is armagaeddon :lol

[td4mvp21]

uh oh, the rasho fans disagree with each other.

I think this is armagaeddon :lol

:lol

[FromWayDowntown]

I don't necessarily disagree that Duncan acted boorishly. I don't think that that sort of boorish behavior is the sort of thing, however, that warrants two technical fouls within one minute -- on separate trips up the floor -- and an ejection.

With more time to reflect on it, the thing that bothers me is that I don't see how Joey Crawford could have conceivably determined that Tim's laughter was necessarily based on his call. Crawford would have had to necessarily be looking at Duncan (I think) to figure out that the laughter was based on the call -- and clearly it was -- and not on something that might have been said on the bench. That would further suggest to me that Crawford was looking for an opportunity to run Duncan, which seems highly inappropriate to me.

Thus, even if Duncan acted inappropriately, I'm not sure how one can escape the conclusion that Crawford did as well.

Given Duncan's post-game comments, and particularly his accusations about what Crawford may have said to him, I'll be somewhat suspicious if the league doesn't investigate the situation and interview all who were involved. If it turns out that other Spurs (or Mavs) heard Crawford utter fighting words towards Duncan, his already questionable conduct will be aggravated. If, on the other hand, Duncan somehow imagined that exchange -- I don't think he did -- then his conduct should be punished as well.

Duncan is going to take a huge fine. He criticized an official, he didn't leave the floor in a timely fashion, and he uttered an expletive on his way out. He deserves whatever fine the league imposes. I don't think, however, that he deserves any sort of suspension. I have some sinking feeling that the Commish, in the era of trying to protect the league's image, will impose a suspension and that it might run into the playoffs, just to make a point. If that happens, what was already a bullshit situation will have become a complete travesty.

[Kori Ellis]

Duncan is going to take a huge fine. He criticized an official, he didn't leave the floor in a timely fashion, and he uttered an expletive on his way out. He deserves whatever fine the league imposes. I don't think, however, that he deserves any sort of suspension. I have some sinking feeling that the Commish, in the era of trying to protect the league's image, will impose a suspension and that it might run into the playoffs, just to make a point. If that happens, what was already a bullshit situation will have become a complete travesty.

I don't think he'll get suspended into the playoffs. But I do think he'll get a huge fine. Not only for these reasons "He criticized an official, he didn't leave the floor in a timely fashion, and he uttered an expletive on his way out" but mainly because saying the "vendetta" part is something that will really piss Stern off. He hates when the integrity of the league is questioned.

But I definitely think they need to gather as much sound/interviews as they can and see if Crawford actually was asking Duncan if he wanted to fight. If they find that on tape, something is going to happen to Crawford. That behavior can't/won't be tolerated.

[angel_luv]

uh oh, the rasho fans disagree with each other.

I think this is armagaeddon :lol

Because people could never have varying views and benefit from discussing them with each other. :rolleyes :lol

[Capt Bringdown]

Mission accomplished by Cuban. Not only do the Mavs get benefit of every call, but now he's got our best player distracted and bent out of shape.
Tim was wronged, but he needs to get over this obsession pronto.

[1Parker1]

I'm surprised ESPN isn't showing coverage of the game and post game quotes.

[MrMichiganGuy]

lol, I cant imagine what Sheed' would have done/said if Crawford said that to him.

[td4mvp21]

Stern shouldn't get pissed when people question the integrity of the referees if there is material that could be questioned. He should deal with that referee so there will be no question. Today was very questionable. Based on what other thing's I've read on Crawford (his temper, etc), that only worsens his side of the story.

[CubanMustGo]

I'm surprised ESPN isn't showing coverage of the game and post game quotes.
Yeah, I find it interesting how bland the coverage on both CNNSI and ESPN.com is. You would think there would be plenty of video/audio to review to prove/disprove what both are saying. Makes you wonder if the L has asked for an embargo while they review it themselves.

[1Parker1]

I don't necessarily disagree that Duncan acted boorishly. I don't, however, think that that sort of boorish behavior is the sort of thing, however, that warrants two technical fouls within one minute -- on separate trips up the floor -- and an ejection.

With more time to reflect on it, the thing that bothers me is that I don't see how Joey Crawford could have conceivably determined that Tim's laughter was necessarily based on his call. Crawford would have had to necessarily be looking at Duncan (I think) to figure out that the laughter was based on the call -- and clearly it was -- and not on something that might have been said on the bench. That would further suggest to me that Crawford was looking for an opportunity to run Duncan, which seems highly inappropriate to me.

Thus, even if Duncan acted inappropriately, I'm not sure how one can escape the conclusion that Crawford did as well.

Given Duncan's post-game comments, and particularly his accusations about what Crawford may have said to him, I'll be somewhat suspicious if the league doesn't investigate the situation and interview all who were involved. If it turns out that other Spurs (or Mavs) heard Crawford utter fighting words towards Duncan, his already questionable conduct will be aggravated. If, on the other hand, Duncan somehow imagined that exchange -- I don't think he did -- then his conduct should be punished as well.

Duncan is going to take a huge fine. He criticized an official, he didn't leave the floor in a timely fashion, and he uttered an expletive on his way out. He deserves whatever fine the league imposes. I don't think, however, that he deserves any sort of suspension. I have some sinking feeling that the Commish, in the era of trying to protect the league's image, will impose a suspension and that it might run into the playoffs, just to make a point. If that happens, what was already a bullshit situation will have become a complete travesty.


:tu Completely agree. Duncan was acting somewhat childish, but it didn't warrant a double tech like that.

As for a suspension, I highly doubt that would happen...at least not one that would go into the playoffs. If the league suspended players ejected for "critizinging an official, not leaving in a timely fashion, and uttering expletives on his way out" guys like Rasheed Wallace would have a lot more suspensions to their name :lol

[Summers]

lol, I cant imagine what Sheed' would have done/said if Crawford said that to him.

:lol Worse than, "Hey, fuck you, you piece of shit"?

[FromWayDowntown]

I certainly don't think that precedent supports any suspension. And like I say, I think a suspension would be unwarranted in this circumstance. But, in a year in which the league committed itself to insulating officials from criticism on or off the floor, this might be just the sort of thing that could cross the line. And I could see Stern imposing an "into the playoffs" suspension to make a point. I think it would be bullshit for him to do so, but I could see it happening.

Stern might argue that this is close the the Van Gundy situation from the playoffs a couple of years ago -- IIRC, that got JVG a $100,000 fine and Stern threatened a very, very long suspension. I don't think the situations are particularly close. Players who criticize officials should be fined, but players who've suggested the same sort of thing that Duncan said today have only ever faced fines. Thus, a suspension of any length would basically be unprecedented.

I don't think he'll be suspended, but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me if that thought proved wrong.

[Summers]

But I definitely think they need to gather as much sound/interviews as they can and see if Crawford actually was asking Duncan if he wanted to fight. If they find that on tape, something is going to happen to Crawford. That behavior can't/won't be tolerated.

I'm really curious about that... Surely it's all caught on audio somewhere. I'd love to be able to hear exactly how it played out.

My husband had an interesting take. I think he's probably wrong, but it was worth thinking about. He said what if Crawford meant something like, "do you want a fight to break out?", as in behave or things are going to get out of hand.

[missmyzte]

Yeah, I find it interesting how bland the coverage on both CNNSI and ESPN.com is. You would think there would be plenty of video/audio to review to prove/disprove what both are saying. Makes you wonder if the L has asked for an embargo while they review it themselves.
I agree, where is all the coverage on this??

[FromWayDowntown]

My husband had an interesting take. I think he's probably wrong, but it was worth thinking about. He said what if Crawford meant something like, "do you want a fight to break out?", as in behave or things are going to get out of hand.

I see what he's saying, but there wasn't anything occurring on the floor at that time to suggest that tempers were flaring or that a fight might occur if Tim acted out.

The Terry/Bowen thing happened much earlier in the 3rd and there wasn't anything brewing after that.

[CubanMustGo]

I would bet that one of the local TV stations will have something at 10. You guys down in SA let us know if they do, OK?

[1Parker1]

I agree, where is all the coverage on this??

They just showed a breif recap of it for the first time on ESPN. No post game quotes or anything. Just the fact that Duncan got ejected and then some 4th quarter highlights. Probably will be all over the news tommorow.

They showed the replay of Duncan emphatically yelling NO! to Michelle Tofoya as he was leaving with security...very weird to see it again. This was very un-Duncan like. And now that I just saw the replays again, it looks even more ridiculous that he was ejected. First off, the game was still going on in progress and Crawford was simply looking at the bench almost waiting for a Duncan reaction and excuse to toss him, it seemed. :wtf

[PhxDog]

My husband had an interesting take. I think he's probably wrong, but it was worth thinking about. He said what if Crawford meant something like, "do you want a fight to break out?", as in behave or things are going to get out of hand.
My take is, Joe was saying, "Do you want a fight?" i.e. do you want to keep this imbroglio going. From what Duncan said after the game, his answer seems to be "yes".


Anyway, I guess I'll re-post my theory about how this went down, just for your collective amusement:


Duncan is out there constantly whining to the refs all game, like he always does--but not being a dummy, he's careful to stay away from Hair Trigger Joe. To Crawford, who's a big ref's rights guy, this probably looks like Duncan is trying to bully the younger officials into free calls.

So, in the 4th quarter, Joe finally tells Duncan to STFU. Duncan goes to the bench for his rest, but still has a few words for one of the other officials as said official runs by him...and Joe catches him doing it. Technical #1--"I told you to STFU".

Now, Duncan is pissed off, because he's too good to be treated like that (see Bowen--"as a former MVP..."). So, he figures he'll go after Joe and try and get him in trouble. Duncan already got T'd for talking from the bench, so he figures he'll just laugh at Joe when Joe can hear it--no way Joe can (or is supposed to) throw him out over that, right? Obviously, Joe has other ideas...and there's Technical #2.

[ShoogarBear]

Cuban's blog will call for Duncan to be suspended for the rest of the year.

ESPN will be okay with that.

[judaspriestess]

Stern shouldn't get pissed when people question the integrity of the referees if there is material that could be questioned. He should deal with that referee so there will be no question. Today was very questionable. Based on what other thing's I've read on Crawford (his temper, etc), that only worsens his side of the story.

you are correct, referees are there to officiate the game, not dictate its outcome, it shows some 'sort' of bias. No matter who is on the receiving end of the bias, it was bad officiating. Teams need to be allowed to play, not get bailed out. No matter what team is on the receiving side of the bail out.

[LakerLanny]

Hi Guys,

Missed the game, but saw a thread on lakersground.net about this http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=40347&start=50

and thought I would post my two cents.

Joey Crawford is corrupt and a criminal. He has been a fixture at #1 on the LakerLanny Circle of 7 Fixer list for many years now.

Simply put, he has personal agendas (or even league agendas, who knows) and he executes them during the game.

On National TV or big games, he is even worse with his "act" which involves essentially deciding which team/players he wants to succeed and then making sure it happens through the use of one-sided, biased "officiating"

Joey Crawford and Stern's other group of fixers (and if you don't think the NBA is fixed, you are very naive) is why the general sporting public is rapidly losing interest in the American Professional version of the sport.

The NBA's #1 problem is the league office and officials. They need to fix that or run the risk of becoming as marginalized as hockey within 10 years.

[timvp]

Seriously, I've never seen anything like this in NBA history. Unless you are talking about a repeat offender (Rasheed, Vernon Maxwell, etc.), this kind of thing never happens.

I don't know if it was mentioned anywhere in this thread, but the thing that started it all was when Crawford blew an OBVIOUS foul on Dirk when Duncan got hit on a jumper. That pissed Duncan off and started the ball rolling.

But bottomline is Crawford was totally out of line. Either technical foul could have been called on the Spurs bench instead of Duncan. He could have given Duncan a warning before throwing him out.

Although really, it shouldn't have even been a warning. Laughing and clapping on the bench sarcastically isn't a technical foul in Game 3 of the regular season for Beno Udrih, much less Tim Duncan in a game with playoff ramifications.

Crawford went overboard and I hope the NBA takes a look at it. I'd be saying the same thing if it happened to Dirk or whoever else on the Mavs. You don't decide a game in the third quarter because your feelings got hurt.

I think what happened was Crawford blew three calls in a row (the one on Dirk and the two that led to free throws at the other end), Crawford knew he blew the calls and just lost control. But he should be held accountable to his actions.

If Crawford refs a Spurs playoff game, that'll be a travesty for everyone involved. It'd be the main plot of the game and Crawford and Duncan would both be put into no-win situations.

A couple questions for those of you who monitor the who's who of refs more closely than I do:

1) What Spurs games did Crawford ref in the playoffs last year? Any other notable ones from year's past? I remember some horrible calls dating back to the Jazz series back in the day, but can't remember exactly which games he reffed in recent times.

2) I know Cuban keeps track of the Mavs' record with particular refs on the court. Like, for example, Dan Crawford supposedly is the Mav Killer -- Dallas is supposedly like 1-12 with Dan Crawford reffing a game. Anyone know if the Mavs are exceptionally good with the other Crawford on the court?

Just curious :stirpot:

[kskonn]

I have a feeling that this will end a lot worse for Joey than it will for Tim. Considering Tim has only been ejected from 2 games in his career and Crawfords statements don't seem to be validated by video evidence. If they find proof that he did in fact say "do you want to fight?" This could end very bad for him.

[tlpintpe]

One report (from a news site, not the forum), said Joey Crawford refereed the last Spurs loss, and T'ed up Tim during that game too.

The NBA has a major loose cannon in Joey Crawford.

[PhxDog]

2) I know Cuban keeps track of the Mavs' record with particular refs on the court. Like, for example, Dan Crawford supposedly is the Mav Killer -- Dallas is supposedly like 1-12 with Dan Crawford reffing a game. Anyone know if the Mavs are exceptionally good with the other Crawford on the court?

Just curious :stirpot:
As of 2005, they were 5-3 in the playoffs when Joe Crawford officiated:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:8kh8_Ris_RsJ:www.blogmaverick.com/2005/06/13/win-loss-by-officials/+mark+cuban+officials+record+joe+crawford&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[kskonn]

One report (from a news site, not the forum), said Joey Crawford refereed the last Spurs loss, and T'ed up Tim during that game too.

The NBA has a major loose cannon in Joey Crawford.

Yea I saw that some where else. I also heard this on NBA radio on Sirius. It sounds like there is somthing about Tim that Joey just does not like.

[FromWayDowntown]

A couple questions for those of you who monitor the who's who of refs more closely than I do:

1) What Spurs games did Crawford ref in the playoffs last year? Any other notable ones from year's past? I remember some horrible calls dating back to the Jazz series back in the day, but can't remember exactly which games he reffed in recent times.

2) I know Cuban keeps track of the Mavs' record with particular refs on the court. Like, for example, Dan Crawford supposedly is the Mav Killer -- Dallas is supposedly like 1-12 with Dan Crawford reffing a game. Anyone know if the Mavs are exceptionally good with the other Crawford on the court?

Just curious :stirpot:

In the 2006 playoffs, Crawford had Game 5 of the Sacramento series (along with Derrick Stafford and James Capers) and Game 3 of the Dallas series (along with Bill Spooner and Joe Derosa).

Going backwards a bit, I can't remember Joey Crawford ever really being a problem for the Spurs in the playoffs.

I'll look at question #2.

[kskonn]

As of 2005, they were 5-3 in the playoffs when Joe Crawford officiated:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:8kh8_Ris_RsJ:www.blogmaverick.com/2005/06/13/win-loss-by-officials/+mark+cuban+officials+record+joe+crawford&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Personally I think this has more to do with a certain refs style giving breaks to teams that play a certain way. For example I would bet the spurs have a pretty good record with Dan Crawford reffing their games. I also think that despite todays event the spurs usually have pretty good luck when joey crawford is reffing their games.

[Cloud786]

It was actually Joey Crawford who called that foul on Duncan at the end to foul him out when Dirk stepped on his foot.

[LakerLanny]

But I definitely think they need to gather as much sound/interviews as they can and see if Crawford actually was asking Duncan if he wanted to fight. If they find that on tape, something is going to happen to Crawford. That behavior can't/won't be tolerated.

Kori, they didn't even get rid of Javie or the tax fraud guys.

Any other league would have bounced them for sure. Jake O'Donnell (former fixer ref) must have been a mass murderer to actually get fired.

Joey Crawford is completely untouchable. Anyone who watched him, Salvatore, Bavetta, Nies and Fryer fix the Lakers-Detroit championship series knows that.

You remember that series right? The NBA finals series where the Lakers were called for phantom jump ball violations to open the first FOUR (not one, not two....FOUR) games of the series?

The NBA was already obviously rigged before that point, but that is when they stopped bothering to even pretend otherwise.

Duncan will get a huge fine and maybe a 1 game suspension, but not for a playoff game, don't worry. But Joey is laughing right now, I guarantee you that......he is clearly so tied in with Stern's antics as to be completely untouchable. The Gnome could bring the whole thing crashing down.

[timvp]

As of 2005, they were 5-3 in the playoffs when Joe Crawford officiated:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:8kh8_Ris_RsJ:www.blogmaverick.com/2005/06/13/win-loss-by-officials/+mark+cuban+officials+record+joe+crawford&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Why am I not shocked that the three refs the Mavs won the most games with are J. Crawford, Javie and Salvatore?

Refs that take the focus off the basketball court and put teams on the line or decide that they are bigger than the game. Too bad the NBA can't just have three Dan Crawfords ref every game.

[kskonn]

In the 2006 playoffs, Crawford had Game 5 of the Sacramento series (along with Derrick Stafford and James Capers) and Game 3 of the Dallas series (along with Bill Spooner and Joe Derosa).

Going backwards a bit, I can't remember Joey Crawford ever really being a problem for the Spurs in the playoffs.

I'll look at question #2.


Yea Joey may not like tim but the spurs seem to have a good record with him reffing their games, specifically during the playoffs.

[Russ]

Easy trivia question: Who is Joey Crawford's father?

[ploto]

Joey Crawford officiated Game 5 in SA against Sacramento and Game 3 in Dallas last year.

Too slow

[td4mvp21]

The Indiana game (where we lost by 1). Crawford refereed that game and T'd up Tim as well. Go figure!

[Obstructed_View]

I have a feeling that this will end a lot worse for Joey than it will for Tim. Considering Tim has only been ejected from 2 games in his career and Crawfords statements don't seem to be validated by video evidence. If they find proof that he did in fact say "do you want to fight?" This could end very bad for him.
Didn't the league rescind Duncan's ejection the next day because they said he wasn't saying anything to KG? Before watching the play I originally thought that Pop had gone CIA and told Duncan to get thrown out. I've never seen anything so inexplicable from an NBA ref. Ever. Nothing else comes close. The dude fucked up the calls, got his ass in the air about it, took it out on someone else, and then lied about it afterward. I'll be really interested in seeing what the league does about this.

[timvp]

and Game 3 of the Dallas series

Ah, perhaps the worst reffed game in Spurs history. Dirk fouling Duncan out by stepping on his foot.

:madrun

[FromWayDowntown]

Mavs were 4-1 in 2006 playoff games with Joey Crawford officiating. The one loss was Game 5 of the Finals, which ended with Salvatore's call that put Wade on the line late.

[Kori Ellis]

Didn't the league rescind Duncan's ejection the next day because they said he wasn't saying anything to KG?

Yes.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I've got my chant ready for the next Joey Crawford game.

"Tax cheat!"

[ShoogarBear]

It was actually Joey Crawford who called that foul on Duncan at the end to foul him out when Dirk stepped on his foot.Jackpot.

[kskonn]

Didn't the league rescind Duncan's ejection the next day because they said he wasn't saying anything to KG?

Yea I think so. I was actually referring to todays game and the game where he got ejected by Bevetta(i think) for running in to him.

[Kori Ellis]

Ah, perhaps the worst reffed game in Spurs history. Dirk fouling Duncan out by stepping on his foot.

:madrun


I'm guessing that game might have something to do with why Tim thinks JC has a vendetta.

[FromWayDowntown]

Easy trivia question: Who is Joey Crawford's father?

Shag Crawford, a Hall of Fame baseball umpire. His brother is Jerry Crawford, a long-time major league umpire as well.

[kskonn]

I've got my chant ready for the next Joey Crawford game.

"Tax cheat!"
I am in.

[Kori Ellis]

Yea I think so. I was actually referring to todays game and the game where he got ejected by Bevetta(i think) for running in to him.

Jack Nies.

[CubanMustGo]

Shag Crawford, a Hall of Fame baseball umpire. His brother is Jerry Crawford, a long-time major league umpire as well.

thank you Wikipedia reader :lol

I notice Wiki has locked the Joey C bio due to vandalism by upset Spurs fans, too.

[kskonn]

Jack Nies.


Yea that is right... Is that the only two ejections officially on Tim's Record?

[timvp]

So in the last year, Joey Crawford has thrown Duncan out of games for getting his foot stepped on and laughing while on the bench.

I don't want to know what is next.

[ShoogarBear]

I've got my chant ready for the next Joey Crawford game.

"Tax cheat!"I still like "Camera Time!"

[kskonn]

So in the last year, Joey Crawford has thrown Duncan out of games for getting his foot stepped on and laughing while on the bench.

I don't want to know what is next.

He will probably throw him out for not coming to warm ups on time in a playoff game.

[PhxDog]

Joey Crawford is corrupt and a criminal. He has been a fixture at #1 on the LakerLanny Circle of 7 Fixer list for many years now.
OK, I'm curious--who are the other six? (The other five besides Bavetta, anyway.) Did Bennett Salvatore make your list?

[bonesinaz]

Both Teams Played Hard.
:lol :lol

[LakerLanny]

Circle of 7 Fixer List

1. Joey Crawford
2. Bernie Fryer
3. Jack Nies
4. Bennett "The Rat" Salvatore
5. Bob Delaney
6. Steve Javie
7. Monty McCutcheon/Jim Clark (tie)

[Kori Ellis]

Yea that is right... Is that the only two ejections officially on Tim's Record?

I don't think he got ejected for pushing Nies, did he? Didn't he just get one T in the game and suspended?

The only ejection I remember is the KG thing, but I'm not sure.

[angel_luv]

I'm a little confused. Did Timmy say the cuss words after the second T or before?

[missmyzte]

I don't think he got ejected for pushing Nies, did he? Didn't he just get one T in the game and suspended?

The only ejection I remember is the KG thing, but I'm not sure.
after, while he was walking off the court

[timvp]

Taxi Driver - You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK.
[Draws]


Good Fellas - You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

This might be the worst contribution to a thread in SpursTalk history.

[kskonn]

I don't think he got ejected for pushing Nies, did he? Didn't he just get one T in the game and suspended?

The only ejection I remember is the KG thing, but I'm not sure.


For some reason I thought Nies jumped up and completely freaked out and threw Tim out of the game. I will try to find the video clip to confirm.

[Kermit]

so uh, i visited tim's wikipedia page and found this interesting tidbit...


Duncan is nicknamed "Merlin," due to his love of the fantasy role playing game, Dungeons & Dragons, and renaissance fairs.[5] In addition, he has a tattoo of a Skele-jester on his back and Merlin the Magician on his left pectoral muscle.

dungeons and dragons. really tim? maybe joey is a level 57 mage that tim destroyed on world of warcraft, thus the hostility.

[missmyzte]

I don't think he got ejected for pushing Nies, did he? Didn't he just get one T in the game and suspended?

The only ejection I remember is the KG thing, but I'm not sure.
You're right, because I was at the game where Tim was suspended for that (it was against the Clippers) and the Spurs lost.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't think he got ejected for pushing Nies, did he? Didn't he just get one T in the game and suspended?

The only ejection I remember is the KG thing, but I'm not sure.

He was ejected for the Nies contact.

Let me find it.

[Kermit]

A simmering feud: Tim Duncan's problems with veteran referee Jack Nies continued Saturday. Duncan was suspended in the 2003-04 season for bumping Nies when he inadvertently ran into the referee after a jump ball. Nies zapped Duncan with a technical foul Saturday when Duncan argued after Nies called him for an offensive foul in the third quarter.

Asked about his ongoing troubles with Nies after the game, Duncan played it cool.

"How about 'no comment' on that," Duncan said. "I'd like to play on this road trip. But it's a whole different story when you talk about after I retire."

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA030506.7C.BKNspurs.notebook.3674674.html

[kskonn]

I just remember Nies jumping up and looking like a really confused Old man, thus reacting like one.

[PhxDog]

Circle of 7 Fixer List

1. Joey Crawford
2. Bernie Fryer
3. Jack Nies
4. Bennett "The Rat" Salvatore
5. Bob Delaney
6. Steve Javie
7. Monty McCutcheon/Jim Clark (tie)
No Bavetta? I'm surprised.

The 'Sports Guy' has his own theory about the NBA and ref corruption (they're supposed to extend series so the league gets extra money IIRC), but I believe his "circle" is mainly just Bavetta. :lol

[ShoogarBear]

This might be the worst contribution to a thread in SpursTalk history.Do you have Mav Fan on ignore?

[FromWayDowntown]

thank you Wikipedia reader :lol

I notice Wiki has locked the Joey C bio due to vandalism by upset Spurs fans, too.

Yeah, I didn't need Wikipedia for that one.

[Bandwagon Bill]

If Stern doesn't like the integrity of his league questioned, he should rule these refs with an iron fist to make sure all is on the level. The officiating discrepancies over the last couple of years are really starting to look bad on the league, and Stern has the power to fix it if he gets off his ass and does something about it.

[timvp]

Circle of 7 Fixer List

1. Joey Crawford
2. Bernie Fryer
3. Jack Nies
4. Bennett "The Rat" Salvatore
5. Bob Delaney
6. Steve Javie
7. Monty McCutcheon/Jim Clark (tie)

Salvatore turns games into free throw shooting contests (statistically it has been proven that a Salvatore game has 10%+ free throw attempts), so of course as a fan of the worst free throw shooting franchise in NBA history, he is not liked.

Crawford and Nies hate Duncan.

Javie gets the lifetime achievement award due to him being the one human alive who hates David Robinson.







It's not exactly a good sign that the Spurs have so many top tier refs against them now :lol

And again, I do blame part of this whole thing on Duncan whining too much all throughout the year. But nothing should have made it come to the point that he's ejected for laughing while on the bench.

[td4mvp21]

So in the last year, Joey Crawford has thrown Duncan out of games for getting his foot stepped on and laughing while on the bench.

I don't want to know what is next.
I'm at least glad this happened in a regular season game. If it had happened in a playoff game, I can't even imagine.

[kskonn]

No Bavetta? I'm surprised.

The 'Sports Guy' has his own theory about the NBA and ref corruption (they're supposed to extend series so the league gets extra money IIRC), but I believe his "circle" is mainly just Bavetta. :lol

I don't think Bavetta is corrupt he just gets off on the cheers from the home crowd.

[Kori Ellis]

He was ejected for the Nies contact.

Let me find it.

No, he wasn't.

He was just T'd up, then suspended later.

Duncan suspended for one game
Issue date: 12/2/03
SAN ANTONIO (AP) - San Antonio forward Tim Duncan was suspended for one game Monday for bumping into a referee during the Spurs' 91-89 loss at Golden State over the weekend.

The suspension without pay was issued by Stu Jackson, the NBA's senior vice president for basketball operations.

Duncan, the league's MVP the past two seasons, was to sit out Monday night's game in Los Angeles against the Clippers. He will be back in uniform for San Antonio's home contest Wednesday against the Los Angeles Lakers.

Duncan was setting a pick late in the third quarter of Saturday night's game near the Spurs' 3-point line when he gave a little nudge to referee Jack Nies, who had gotten tangled up with another player and couldn't get out of Duncan's way.

Nies, who sprawled to the floor, immediately hit Duncan with a technical foul.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

So Duncan's had only two ejections in his entire career?

[timvp]

Do you have Mav Fan on ignore?
Point taken.

[lefty]

http://www.petitiononline.com/ISH2007/petition.html

[angel_luv]

http://www.petitiononline.com/ISH2007/petition.html


Did you make that Lefty?

[Kori Ellis]

So Duncan's had only two ejections in his entire career?

As far as I recall, he got ejected against KG in 2002? (both were ejected) but the league rescinded Duncan's ejection (like that does any good) afterward when they reviewed it and found Duncan had only smiled.

That's the only ejection I recall up until today, but someone can probably prove me wrong.

[kskonn]

No, he wasn't.

He was just T'd up, then suspended later.

Duncan suspended for one game
Issue date: 12/2/03
SAN ANTONIO (AP) - San Antonio forward Tim Duncan was suspended for one game Monday for bumping into a referee during the Spurs' 91-89 loss at Golden State over the weekend.

The suspension without pay was issued by Stu Jackson, the NBA's senior vice president for basketball operations.

Duncan, the league's MVP the past two seasons, was to sit out Monday night's game in Los Angeles against the Clippers. He will be back in uniform for San Antonio's home contest Wednesday against the Los Angeles Lakers.

Duncan was setting a pick late in the third quarter of Saturday night's game near the Spurs' 3-point line when he gave a little nudge to referee Jack Nies, who had gotten tangled up with another player and couldn't get out of Duncan's way.

Nies, who sprawled to the floor, immediately hit Duncan with a technical foul.

So then officially on Record Tim only has one ejection, for laughing. I bet the leauge would have recended the technical and ejection if Tim had not spoken out about the incident after the game.

[lefty]

Did you make that Lefty?

Nope

[FromWayDowntown]

Kori's right (as usual) -- here's the game story for that Golden State game:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=231129009

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

As far as I recall, he got ejected against KG in 2002? (both were ejected) but the league rescinded Duncan's ejection (like that does any good) afterward when they reviewed it and found Duncan had only smiled.

That's the only ejection I recall up until today, but someone can probably prove me wrong.
Oh ok, so he's only been suspended once in addition to that?

[LakerLanny]

Duncan must have been really mad to speak out publicly like that after the game knowing the playoffs are coming and that The Gnome will probably officiate 1 out of every 3 Spurs games for the rest of the year.

Completely unlike Tim, I believe that Crawford said what Duncan attributed to him and it made Tim lose his mind temporarily.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

No, he wasn't.

He was just T'd up, then suspended later.

Duncan suspended for one game
Issue date: 12/2/03
SAN ANTONIO (AP) - San Antonio forward Tim Duncan was suspended for one game Monday for bumping into a referee during the Spurs' 91-89 loss at Golden State over the weekend.

The suspension without pay was issued by Stu Jackson, the NBA's senior vice president for basketball operations.

Duncan, the league's MVP the past two seasons, was to sit out Monday night's game in Los Angeles against the Clippers. He will be back in uniform for San Antonio's home contest Wednesday against the Los Angeles Lakers.

Duncan was setting a pick late in the third quarter of Saturday night's game near the Spurs' 3-point line when he gave a little nudge to referee Jack Nies, who had gotten tangled up with another player and couldn't get out of Duncan's way.

Nies, who sprawled to the floor, immediately hit Duncan with a technical foul.

Apparently, Tim missed the GW FG that night, too. :lol

[kskonn]

Duncan must have been really mad to speak out publicly like that after the game knowing the playoffs are coming and that The Gnome will probably officiate 1 out of every 3 Spurs games for the rest of the year.

Completely unlike Tim, I believe that Crawford said what Duncan attributed to him and it made Tim lose his mind temporarily.

Or maybe Tim has been working with Phil and Kobe on how to manipulate the NBA ref. system. Tim had a while to think about saying something and he still did, in my opinion he must have felt that something could be gained by speaking out.

[missmyzte]

This is bad ... not even close to getting the facts right


http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/10128987

Duncan ejected from Mavericks game for arguing with refs
April 15, 2007
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports

DALLAS -- Tim Duncan was ejected with 1:04 left in the third quarter of San Antonio's game against the Dallas Mavericks on Sunday after picking up his second technical foul -- from the bench.

Duncan drew his first with 2:20 to go in the quarter for arguing about an offensive foul against him. He was taken out soon after.

On the second technical, which forces an automatic ejection, Duncan was laughing about a call that went against the Spurs. He stood up and walked out, his face going from incredulous to angry.

Duncan left with 16 points, seven rebounds, six assists and two blocks.

AP NEWS
The Associated Press News Service

[Kori Ellis]

As far as I recall, he got ejected against KG in 2002? (both were ejected) but the league rescinded Duncan's ejection (like that does any good) afterward when they reviewed it and found Duncan had only smiled.

That's the only ejection I recall up until today, but someone can probably prove me wrong.

Okay. There's one ejection on Tim's record before today and that's the one I mentioned in this post. The FINE was rescinded by the league in this instance. The disqualification stands on his record.

So before today, he had just one ejection (disqualification) on his record in 10 years.

[PhxDog]

I don't think Bavetta is corrupt he just gets off on the cheers from the home crowd.
Could be.


I remember from somewhere that the league grades its officials on % of correct calls, and Bavetta is consistently last on the table (yes, worse than Violet Palmer). But they still have him out there officiating important games because of his "game management" skills... :rolleyes

[efrem1]

I can't wait to see the TNT intro for the playoffs...

"Duncan, Crawford, game 1, tonight on TNT" :lol

It's time to bring Wahoo McDaniel back from the dead. He needs to guest referee an indian strap match between these two guys. Duncan would clean his clock. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Okay. There's one ejection on Tim's record before today and that's the one I mentioned in this post. The FINE was rescinded by the league in this instance. The disqualification stands on his record.

So before today, he had just one ejection (disqualification) on his record in 10 years.He is, however, a repeat and serial laugher.

[kskonn]

Okay. There's one ejection on Tim's record before today and that's the one I mentioned in this post. The FINE was rescinded by the league in this instance. The disqualification stands on his record.

So before today, he had just one ejection (disqualification) on his record in 10 years.


WHat a trouble maker. The leauge better work to get this under control right away.

[Kori Ellis]

WHat a trouble maker. The leauge better work to get this under control right away.

Yeah, he's a freakin' misfit. One smile in 2002 and a laugh in 2007. OH MY!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

This is bad ... not even close to getting the facts right


http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/10128987

Duncan ejected from Mavericks game for arguing with refs
April 15, 2007
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports

DALLAS -- Tim Duncan was ejected with 1:04 left in the third quarter of San Antonio's game against the Dallas Mavericks on Sunday after picking up his second technical foul -- from the bench.

Duncan drew his first with 2:20 to go in the quarter for arguing about an offensive foul against him. He was taken out soon after.

On the second technical, which forces an automatic ejection, Duncan was laughing about a call that went against the Spurs. He stood up and walked out, his face going from incredulous to angry.

Duncan left with 16 points, seven rebounds, six assists and two blocks.

AP NEWS
The Associated Press News Service

EDIT: Nevermind, you're right.

[exstatic]

Joey...DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED?!?!?

[T Park]

:lmao

Wow, I wish i could listen to ESPN radio, this could be the big talking points of sports radio tommarow.

[1Parker1]

Does anyone know what Parker, Ginobili's, and the rest of the team's comments were after the game? Or did none of them speak on the matter?

[FromWayDowntown]

Duncan must have been really mad to speak out publicly like that after the game knowing the playoffs are coming and that The Gnome will probably officiate 1 out of every 3 Spurs games for the rest of the year.

Completely unlike Tim, I believe that Crawford said what Duncan attributed to him and it made Tim lose his mind temporarily.

Well, it's not quite that bad. I haven't completely cracked the formula yet, but the league has something resembling a formula for assigning officials to playoff games.

I can't remember the last time that one official worked more than one game in a first round series. In the first round, there are usually something like 34-36 officials working. A few of those are younger officials who are weeded out after the first 4 games in each series have been played. The officials who call Games 5-7 in the various series are those who are calling games in the conference semifinals.

In the conference semifinals, the same official will usually not work more than one game in a series unless the series goes 7 games. The second round usually has something like 28-30 officials working, but again, the officials who aren't going to call the Conference Finals are done by the time the Game 4's have all been played.

In the conference finals, there are generally about 18-20 officials working, and again, the non-Finals officials are weeded out by the end of the Game 4's. In that round, the same official will work more than one game in a series, but that usually is reserved for the officials who get the last games of the Finals. In 2005, for instance, Bavetta, Joey Crawford, Bernie Fryer, and Ed Rush each worked 2 games of the Heat/Pistons ECF.

In the Finals, there are only 12 working officials. Each calls one of the first 4 games. Some combination of the Game 1 and Game 2 officials call Game 5; some combination of the Game 2 and Game 3 officials call Game 6; and some combination of the Game 3 and Game 4 officials call Game 7.

I don't think the Spurs are going to see a great deal of Joey Crawford in the 2007 playoffs, though if they make a deep run, seeing him becomes absolutely inevitable unless the league takes some sort of disciplinary action against Crawford or otherwise decides that he's unfit to call the Conference Finals and NBA Finals, which strikes me as unlikely.

[kskonn]

Yeah, he's a freakin' misfit. One smile in 2002 and a laugh in 2007. OH MY!

The face of the NBA bad boy!!!!
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/kskonnord/192620958_a309563dba_o.jpg

[tlpintpe]

As Tim was moving in to the tunnel (still at courtside), he isn't saying a thing. Michelle Tafoya (ESPN reporterette) asks him a question to which he clearly says: "Nothing!".

What I wonder is if it is as Tim is moving off the court that Mad Dog Crawford continued to mouth off at Tim.

Tim is too much a class act to get bent out of shape for nothing. Crawford, on the other hand, has a rep as a real hot-head.

[CubanMustGo]

So c'mon, didn't the frigging SA TV stations have any audio to back this shit up?

The lack of substantial reporting on this story is really, really odd.

[kskonn]

As Tim was moving in to the tunnel (still at courtside), he isn't saying a thing. Michelle Tafoya (ESPN reporterette) asks him a question to which he clearly says: "Nothing!".

What I wonder is if it is as Tim is moving off the court that Mad Dog Crawford continued to mouth off at Tim.

Tim is too much a class act to get bent out of shape for nothing. Crawford, on the other hand, has a rep as a real hot-head.

I believe Tafoya said that Tim had some choice words to descrive Joey Crawford. I assume that is where the "Joey is a piece of shit" comment came from.

[1Parker1]

The face of the NBA bad boy!!!!
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/kskonnord/192620958_a309563dba_o.jpg


:lol

On a sidenote: Even before Duncan's ejection, was anyone else getting a little angry with the Spurs and their letting the officials get to them? Specifically, Parker and Bowen. I remember one timeout, Pop was calling Bowen to look at him, not the official and to focus. Another time Bowen had to pull Duncan and Parker away from the officials. Spurs really need to stop this whining. Though as a biased fan I believe they do have a case more often than not...I think it really hurts them and just makes the refs that much more pissed off at them.

[ShoogarBear]

ESPN will play it down. They're in the Mavs' pockets.

[kskonn]

:lol

On a sidenote: Even before Duncan's ejection, was anyone else getting a little angry with the Spurs and their letting the officials get to them? Specifically, Parker and Bowen. I remember one timeout, Pop was calling Bowen to look at him, not the official and to focus. Another time Bowen had to pull Duncan and Parker away from the officials. Spurs really need to stop this whining. Though as a biased fan I believe they do have a case more often than not...I think it really hurts them and just makes the refs that much more pissed off at them.

Yea hopefully in the playoffs they just focus on playing. Let Pop and PJ work the refs.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Joey...DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED?!?!?

http://www.kcsti.com/kcsti05/student/jordan/JoeyCrawfordTechnicalFoul.jpg



Son, we live in a world that has courts, and those courts have to be guarded by men with whistles. Whose gonna do it? You? You, that Ginobili guy? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom.

You weep for Oberto, and you curse the league. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Oberto's foul, while tragic, probably cost Dallas points. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, scores Dallas points.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that court, you need me on that court. We use words like carry, travel, block. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and call a game. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

[angel_luv]

Timmy: "If Joey wants the camera time he is going to call the techs."

Wow, Timmy!

I have never seen Timmy talk so much to reporters. He must have been really mad.
And I saw where he said the swear words after being ejected. I missed that before.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

:lol

Always a good joke when done correctly. :tu AHF.

[kskonn]

Timmy: "If Joey wants the camera time he is going to call the techs."

Wow, Timmy!

I have never seen Timmy talk so much to reporters. He must have been really mad.
And I saw where he said the swear words after being ejected. I missed that before.


To me that was the quote that will if anything help the spurs if they see him in the playoffs. Joey will be so stubborn that he will want to prove Tim wrong about the above statement. Come to think of it wasn't Tim a physocology major in college?

CIA Tim?

[1Parker1]

To me that was the quote that will if anything help the spurs if they see him in the playoffs. Joey will be so stubborn that he will want to prove Tim wrong about the above statement. Come to think of it wasn't Tim a physocology major in college?

CIA Tim?


:lol Yea...come to think of it maybe the whole ordeal was part of some kind of reverse phychology theory Duncan had.

[Kori Ellis]

So c'mon, didn't the frigging SA TV stations have any audio to back this shit up?

The lack of substantial reporting on this story is really, really odd.

Audio of Tim's postgame comments? They have been on every station.

[kskonn]

http://www.kcsti.com/kcsti05/student/jordan/JoeyCrawfordTechnicalFoul.jpg


awesome.

[CubanMustGo]

Audio of Tim's postgame comments? They have been on every station.

No, courtside audio of Crawdad's supposed "wanna fight" comments is what I'm looking for.

[angel_luv]

To me that was the quote that will if anything help the spurs if they see him in the playoffs. Joey will be so stubborn that he will want to prove Tim wrong about the above statement. Come to think of it wasn't Tim a physocology major in college?

CIA Tim?


No dude, the CIA was Pop. He wanted to play small ball so he bribed Joey before the game to eject one of his tall players. :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Just re-iterating the obvious, but Tim did say "You're a piece of shit, Joey!"

[Cloud786]

Anyone got a link to video of the whole thing?

[samikeyp]

Someone said it earlier...let TD sit out these last two games and let his anger come out in the playoffs.

[exstatic]

:lol:rollin They showed Tim walking off the court at a different angle on KSAT than the telecast. He did call Joey a POS.

[kskonn]

No dude, the CIA was Pop. He wanted to play small ball so he bribed Joey before the game to eject one of his tall players. :lol

oh shit, How did I miss that??? Now we could have the worst possible scenario, Physocology Tim vs. CIA pop. :lol

[missmyzte]

Audio of Tim's postgame comments? They have been on every station.
Where? Or only on San Antonio stations?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

:lol:rollin They showed Tim walking off the court at a different angle on KSAT than the telecast. He did call Joey a POS.

That was exactly what I saw. :lol

[SequSpur]

Pop asked him why did he throw him out of the game, he didn't do anything.. Joey said... He knows exactly what he was doing.....

Man, fuk that.

[missmyzte]

And I saw where he said the swear words after being ejected. I missed that before.
I just re-watched it (love Tivo!) and yup, he definitely had some 4-lettered words to share with Joey as he was leaving. :lol

[1Parker1]

Where can we find the post-game feed?

[Flex9050]

He was ejected for embarrasing Crawford... laughing at the crappy calls. Joey could not control his emotions (because he KNEW they were bad calls) and ejected Duncan. Lesson learned? Don't piss off the refs.....

[Kori Ellis]

Where? Or only on San Antonio stations?

I just saw it on the WOAI news. The news should be uploaded online in less than an hour, I'll post it as soon as they do it.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Kori, can you post that napkin photo from today, please?

[1Parker1]

Wow, I am simply amazed at ESPN. They have been showing Magic highlights, Bulls/Wiz highlights, Pacers highlights, Sixers/Pistons highlights...but nothing on the Spurs/Mavs game. I'm begining to think something is up and this was done purposely.

[wolf754life]

this will GALVANIZE the squad, they will run rampant over the league.......

[SAtown]

Wow, I am simply amazed at ESPN. They have been showing Magic highlights, Bulls/Wiz highlights, Pacers highlights, Sixers/Pistons highlights...but nothing on the Spurs/Mavs game. I'm begining to think something is up and this was done purposely.

So far, SC has been all about 42 and how everyone and their mother is wearing it. I don't expect to see anything about it, at least tonight.

[PhxDog]

this will GALVANIZE the squad, they will run rampant over the league.......

Too bad Joey didn't throw Duncan out of a game back in November--the Spurs would be wrapping up that #1 seed right about now.

[spurs=bling]

I didn't see the game. But I saw the highlights, the tech was uncalled for. But oh well shit happens.

[aaronstampler]

Who cares what TD said to him after the ejection? The point is he didn't say until then.

I read Tim's lips after he realized he was ejected. He said "fuck you" twice and then "you're a piece of shit."

[timvp]

To sum up what happened....

Duncan: :lol
Crawford: :madrun
Duncan: :huh
Crawford: :flipoff
Duncan: :wtf
Crawford: :blah
Duncan: :cuss
Crawford: :cop

... three hours later ...

Cuban: :worthy:
Crawford: :hitit:
:makeout

... fourty five seconds later ...

Mav Fan: :clap
Crawford: :danceclub

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Who cares what TD said to him after the ejection? The point is he didn't say until then.

I read Tim's lips after he realized he was ejected. He said "fuck you" twice and then "you're a piece of shit."

Tim should have just called him a retard, to get a lesser fine.

[1Parker1]

Too bad Joey didn't throw Duncan out of a game back in November--the Spurs would be wrapping up that #1 seed right about now.

:lol Damn, you have a point....

[Mr. Body]

How long until we get to watch Barkley's comments on this?

[1Parker1]

To sum up what happened....

Duncan: :lol
Crawford: :madrun
Duncan: :huh
Crawford: :flipoff
Duncan: :wtf
Crawford: :blah
Duncan: :cuss
Crawford: :cop

... three hours later ...

Cuban: :worthy:
Crawford: :hitit:
:makeout

... fourty five seconds later ...

Mav Fan: :clap
Crawford: :danceclub


:lmao :lmao :lmao

Classic.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

To sum up what happened....

Duncan: :lol
Crawford: :madrun
Duncan: :huh
Crawford: :flipoff
Duncan: :wtf
Crawford: :blah
Duncan: :cuss
Crawford: :cop

... three hours later ...

Cuban: :worthy:
Crawford: :hitit:
:makeout

... fourty five seconds later ...

Mav Fan: :clap
Crawford: :danceclub
:lol, those smiley's are handy for a storyboard.

[bigfundamental21]

From the moment I saw the first technical until now, I am still in shock that it even happened. Crawford is an idiot and he is going to get booed out of the building the next time he refs a game in SA. This tops the Jack Neis incident in Golden State. I don't blame Tim for cussing him out and for making comments about it after the game knowing that he will be fined. I just hope that the league penalizes Crawford. He claims Tim was complaining the whole game, but he wasn't complaining any more than any other player in the game today. There was no reason for this to have happened regardless of which team you support, you have to agree that the refs are given too much power in some cases.

[Kori Ellis]

Kori, can you post that napkin photo from today, please?

Yeah my camera is downstairs, I'll get it in a little bit.

[Kori Ellis]

When Tim got tossed, Bowen thought he was getting tossed. Did you guys see his reaction on the replay? :lmao

[missmyzte]

It's amazing to me how many news organizations are putting out incorrect information, it's not like it's that hard. ESPN just said "Duncan's on the bench because of a technical foul he received ..." Duh, he was on the bench before the first technical!

[CubanMustGo]

It's amazing to me how many news organizations are putting out incorrect information, it's not like it's that hard. ESPN just said "Duncan's on the bench because of a technical foul he received ..." Duh, he was on the bench before the first technical!

The amount of clueless/oblivious/purposeful misinformation on a game broadcast nationwide is simply stunning.

[lefty]

To sum up what happened....

Duncan: :lol
Crawford: :madrun
Duncan: :huh
Crawford: :flipoff
Duncan: :wtf
Crawford: :blah
Duncan: :cuss
Crawford: :cop

... three hours later ...

Cuban: :worthy:
Crawford: :hitit:
:makeout

... fourty five seconds later ...

Mav Fan: :clap
Crawford: :danceclub

That reminds me of a Seinfeld episode ; Kramer comes back from a Knicks-Pacers games : "we (Kramer and Spike lee) got into a fight with Reggie Miller ; we got ejected ; then after the game, the 3 of us went to a strip club"
:lol :lol :lol

[1Parker1]

When Tim got tossed, Bowen thought he was getting tossed. Did you guys see his reaction on the replay? :lmao

No, but I saw Elson's face when Duncan got the 2nd T, he looked so lost and confused, I thought he looked that way only when he's on the floor, but now I see that it's just a general look for him.

Also, I love how Parker seemed to get upset too...he was halfway up with Duncan when he got ejected. :lol

[angel_luv]

To sum up what happened....

Duncan: :lol
Crawford: :madrun
Duncan: :huh
Crawford: :flipoff
Duncan: :wtf
Crawford: :blah
Duncan: :cuss
Crawford: :cop

... three hours later ...

Cuban: :worthy:
Crawford: :hitit:
:makeout

... fourty five seconds later ...

Mav Fan: :clap
Crawford: :danceclub


:lol You're awesome. :)

[CubanMustGo]

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/04/16/16golden.html

COMMENTARY: CEDRIC GOLDEN
Ref wrong to steal spotlight from Spurs and Mavs
Clash with Duncan overshadows matchup of standout teams.
Monday, April 16, 2007

DALLAS — And you thought Manute Bol squaring off against William "Refrigerator" Perry was ugly.

Who could have imagined that in the middle of a Western Conference finals preview between the two best teams in the NBA, that docile Tim Duncan would be called out — not by Dirk Nowitzki or Jason Terry — but by the oldest man on the court?

Duncan said 55-year-old referee Joey Crawford challenged him to a fight before dropping a pair of technicals on No. 21 in the span of 76 seconds during the third quarter of San Antonio's 91-86 loss to Dallas.

"Celebrity Boxing" faded away years ago but with the garbage on TV nowadays, we may have something here. Who cares about Oscar de la Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr.? This is a boxing promoter's pay per view dream. Youthful NBA all-star meets grizzled, veteran ref who resembles Judge Mills Lane.

Let's get it on!

The 30-year old Duncan said the bad blood began after he told Crawford (in his 30th season in the NBA) that Nowitzki fouled him on a jump shot in the third quarter.

"He looked at me and said, 'Do you want to fight? Do you want to fight?' " Duncan said. "If he wants to fight, we can fight. I don't have any problem with him, but we can do it if he wants to."

Duncan went to the bench with 2:22 remaining in the third quarter and was teed up by Crawford while sitting, after a foul on teammate Fabricio Oberto. He was then spotted by television cameras laughing with teammate Tony Parker. Crawford pointed to Duncan, issued another T, and gave him the gate.

The Big Fundamental became the Big Exodus as the crowd roared its approval.

"I hit him with one (technical foul) and he kept going over there, laughing, and I look over there and he's still complaining," Crawford said. "So I threw him out."

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich declined to comment on the ejection but said he will share his feelings privately with the league. He did take a light-hearted jab at his buddy Avery Johnson's hosting skills. Apparently, sandwiches and pizza didn't quite whet his appetite.

"We were hoping to get some barbecue but there was none to be found,'' he said. "No brisket. No chicken. We were hoping to have that on our way to Memphis while we were getting ready for 'The Sopranos.' "

It's just as well the fight didn't happen either. A Duncan-Crawford throwdown would probably fall short of Bobby Bacala's TKO of Big Tony in last week's season opener.

As for Sunday, Timmy Bank Shots got ejected for only the second time in his career. Sure he whines about foul calls — he's an NBA player after all — but come on, the 20,444 who packed the American Airlines Center weren't there to see Crawford. You don't invite the pizza delivery guy in for beers, do you?

His job is to arrive in 30 minutes or less, deliver your Meat Lovers, and leave. Crawford's quick whistle may have cost the Spurs a win, considering they were leading by four before the technicals and ended up losing by five, though they had their chances down the stretch.

By the way, Duncan has nine technical fouls in 80 games. Three have come courtesy of Crawford. Duncan believes Crawford has a personal vendetta and said he only said three words to Crawford the whole game.

"That's his opinion,'' Crawford said. "He said nothing when he was walking off the court and he called me a piece of (blank)? Is that nothing?"

Nope, that's something, but there are other considerations.

Crawford is a hothead, always has been. The former postal worker is from a family of officials. Brother Jerry is a major league umpire while his father Shag umpired in the majors for 20 years.

But it shouldn't matter that he was born with a whistle in his mouth. The game is about the players, not the officials. It wasn't Rasheed Wallace complaining. It was Tim Duncan, a labrador retriever compared to Sheed's pit-bull-like tirades. It may be time to tone down the rabbit ears, Joey. I've met seedless grapes with thicker skin.

Maybe Crawford brings out the worst in the quiet ones. Another mild-mannered guy, Miami Heat forward Udonis Haslem, actually threw his mouthpiece at Crawford in a playoff game last season before getting ejected. Could be a developing trend.

Of extreme importance: though not quite as juicy as the NBA's newest feud, the loss means the Spurs will be the No. 3 seed in the Western Conference playoffs. San Antonio will meet the No. 6 seed, which would be the red-hot Denver Nuggets if the postseason started today.

The Mavericks (66-14) own homecourt throughout the playoffs and might end up playing Golden State, but the No. 8 seed is still up for grabs. Hopefully the Spurs (58-22) will survive Denver and then Phoenix in the semifinals to set up a conference finals matchup of the league's best.

And maybe the referee won't steal the spotlight from the players this time. That said, Duncan could be wrong about this ref's vendetta.

There may be a simple explanation. Crawford's angling to race Charles Barkley.

[Cloud786]

Someone post a link of the whole replay with the technicals and the reactions.. i just wanna see duncan say "fuck you" on his way out haha

[angel_luv]

This whole thing reminds me of:

http://i16.tinypic.com/33wmg09.jpg

[txmed]

Someone post a link of the whole replay with the technicals and the reactions.. i just wanna see duncan say "fuck you" on his way out haha

On you tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGeNWwBN5bQ

Access to it has been kind've intermittent, but I think YouTube is just having problems - not taking the video down.

[Behrooz24]

Someone post a link of the whole replay with the technicals and the reactions.. i just wanna see duncan say "fuck you" on his way out haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g754dWS1FqM
(still processing though)

[THE SIXTH MAN]

On you tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGeNWwBN5bQ

Access to it has been kind've intermittent, but I think YouTube is just having problems - not taking the video down.
Thanks. :toast

[Cloud786]

dammit video isnt clear enough for me to read his lips there hahaha

[SRJ]

Crawford is a hothead, always has been. The former postal worker

What?

Uh, I take back everything I said, you're a great official, PLEASE DON'T SHOOT ME!!

[SAtown]

dammit video isnt clear enough for me to read his lips there hahaha

Check out the WOAI feed in Kori's thread

[1Parker1]

Check out the WOAI feed in Kori's thread

Yea, it's pretty clear in there what Duncan was saying as he left. He said F U and you piece of shit a couple of times.

[SRJ]

BTW, the last time Spurs fans were lip reading this much, Bob Hill was asking an official to throw Dennis Rodman out of a preseason game - and Rodman was on the same team!

Ah, 1994-95. That unforgettable season.

[FromWayDowntown]

well, if it's any consolation the Dallas Stars might have just gotten bit in the ass by the bad karma that remained in the AAC after this afternoon's freakiness.

[slayermin]

...

[infinite styles]

I turned on the game right when he got ejected and was like WTF? When I saw the replay of why he got ejected I just started laughing because it was the funniest shit since the meltdown scene in Forget Paris. It was a classic case of a veteran official taking over a game and making it about him. Tim probably shouldn't have been that animated in laughing :rolleyes :rolleyes but its better than seeing a grown man cuss out another man after every single call. I mean come on how do you justify that situation.

P.S. ABC/ESPN absolutely suck at sports broadcasting with the exception of MNF. Mark Jackson is terrible.

[SAtown]

P.S. ABC/ESPN absolutely suck at sports broadcasting with the exception of MNF.

I disagree. I think they ruined MNF as well

[infinite styles]

I disagree. I think they ruined MNF as well

My bad I meant pre ESPN takeover

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, ESPN has totally demolished Monday Night Football.

[SpursFanFirst]

To sum up what happened....

Duncan: :lol
Crawford: :madrun
Duncan: :huh
Crawford: :flipoff
Duncan: :wtf
Crawford: :blah
Duncan: :cuss
Crawford: :cop

... three hours later ...

Cuban: :worthy:
Crawford: :hitit:
:makeout

... fourty five seconds later ...

Mav Fan: :clap
Crawford: :danceclub

THAT IS HYSTERICAL!!! :toast

[SpursFanFirst]

How long until we get to watch Barkley's comments on this?

ooooooo...I'd love to hear his take!

[txmed]

I didn't see this posted yet.

Joey is an admitted felon (http://tinyurl.com/ypuh8r). He plead guilty to income tax fraud in '98, resigned in disgrace, but then was brought back by Stern.

What a shame.

[makedamnsure]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/b4f954ab-02b2-4e04-915c-2e027295ef02.jpg

not sure if this has been posted yet....was this after the 1st tech or 2nd?

[SAtown]

not sure if this has been posted yet....was this after the 1st tech or 2nd?

That's when he got ejected. After the got the first one, he laughed with Robert Horry, and I believe he laughed again when Stackhouse missed the Tech FT.

[v2freak]

A lot of articles have it wrong. Duncan received both technicals from the bench. Props to the person who upped the clip on Youtube, so we can all enjoy this joke of an ejection over and over and over

[kskonn]

not sure if this has been posted yet....was this after the 1st tech or 2nd?

That was after the 2nd tech when he was walking off the floor. He was not ejected during that picture, that was his reaction to the ejection.

[jaespur21]

I read this whole thread,.................... that call was bullshit. no way a player can be thrown out for laughing. im hoping for crawfords suspension and eventual firing if he asked tim if he wanted to fight

[Fernando TD21]

Tim was on drugs :smokin /JK. Now seriously, I agree with some people here that Tim acted a little bit childish and that he whines too much. But he is only a human afterall and after so many years acting like a role model, I think that it is ok to act like that once during his career, specially in a situation like that.
For someone who is known to be a quiet guy, he said a lot today, probably more than he should. But the ref deserved it.

I think that Tim will go to the playoffs stronger, ready to get rid of his frustations and even the stupid ref won't be able to stop him.
Duncan: :ihit
Crawford: :dizzy :fight



WHat a trouble maker. The leauge better work to get this under control right away.
Yeah, he's a freakin' misfit. One smile in 2002 and a laugh in 2007. OH MY!
And then people wonder why Tim doesn't express his emotions so often.



To me that was the quote that will if anything help the spurs if they see him in the playoffs. Joey will be so stubborn that he will want to prove Tim wrong about the above statement. Come to think of it wasn't Tim a physocology major in college?

CIA Tim?
:lol Yea...come to think of it maybe the whole ordeal was part of some kind of reverse phychology theory Duncan had.
LOL.. I liked that theory.

[Fernando TD21]

To sum up what happened....

Can I try? I think it was more like this:

Duncan: :blah
Crawford: :cuss
Duncan: :lol
Crawford: :madrun
Duncan: :wtf
Crawford: :devil
Duncan: :flipoff :bang
Spurs: :nope

Cuban: :gpower :jack
Spurs fans: :spless: :pctoss
Mavs fans: :cheer

Tomorrow
Spurstalk: :corn:
Duncan: :greedy :(
Crawford: :hang

[carina_gino20]

ejection 1: for smiling

ejection 2: for laughing

now we know the reason behind tim's poker face. :lol

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Can I try? I think it was more like this:

Duncan: :blah
Crawford: :cuss
Duncan: :lol
Crawford: :madrun
Duncan: :wtf
Crawford: :devil
Duncan: :flipoff :bang
Spurs: :nope

Cuban: :gpower :jack
Spurs fans: :spless: :pctoss
Mavs fans: :cheer

Tomorrow
Spurstalk: :corn:
Duncan: :greedy :(
Crawford: :hang
:lol :clap

[jmard5]

A lot of articles have it wrong. Duncan received both technicals from the bench. Props to the person who upped the clip on Youtube, so we can all enjoy this joke of an ejection over and over and over

You can try downloading that YouTube video too. There are lots of video downloaders nowadays especially if you use Firefox.

Man, I have played it twice already and that ejection incident still amazes me. Damn you, ref! :ihit

[polandprzem]

Too bad the NBA can't just have three Dan Crawfords ref every game.


:tu excactly