Two shootings at Virginia Tech?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And let me just get this out of the way, Marcus Vick is not involved.

http://www.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/12/goodolemarcusvick.jpg

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On every news station and news Web site.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/breaking/wb/113294

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Multiple shootings confirmed at Virginia Tech

The Roanoke Times
Updated: 11:06 a.m.

The Associated Press is reporting there at least one person dead as a result of multiple shootings on the Virginia Tech campus this morning. Wounded have been removed from buildings. Tech student Steve Hanson was working in a lab in Norris Hall at 10:15 a.m. when he hears what he thought was loud banging from construction. Hanson was soon scrambling out of the building and he said he saw one person who was shot in the arm. At Pritchard Hall, a dormitory near one of the shooting sites, students were being pulled into the buildings and told to stay away from windows and off the phone.

Updated: 10:17 a.m.

Multiple shootings have occurred at Virginia Tech this morning involving multiple victims. The second shooting happened in Norris Hall, the engineering building near Burruss Hall. Police are on the scene and rescue workers have set up a temporary treatment facility. The campus is on lock down. All classes and activities have been cancelled for the day.

Montgomery County public schools are all on lock down. In Blacksburg, no one is being allowed in any school building without approval by the school administrators, said Superintendent Tiffany Anderson.

The university has posted a notice of the incident on its Web site and is urging the university community to be cautious and contact Virginia Tech police at 231-6411 if they notice anything suspicious. No further details were available. The Roanoke Times will update with new information as it become available.

[AFBlue]

17 unconfirmed injuries with one fatality...1220 eastern

[Marklar MM]

Something like 2 dead and 21 injured so far.

[AFBlue]

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[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Updates from the VaTech newspaper.

http://collegemedia.com/

Collegiate Times Breaking News
Monday, April 16th 2007 11:57AM
Three people were escorted out of Norris Hall in handcuffs by police. The three were then unhandcuffed and canine teams were sent into Norris Hall.

Monday, April 16th 2007 11:50AM
The Associated Press has reported at least one death and seven injuries stemming from two shooting incidents on the Virginia Tech campus. Police have taken one person into custody and continue to search for another as part of routine procedure.

Monday, April 16th 2007 11:36AM
At this time, University Relations is reporting one individual in custody and is searching for a second shooter. The Collegiate Times will publish information as it is made available.

Monday, April 16th 2007 10:36AM
Due to serious wind helicopters cannot be used to transfer the injured. According to the police scanner, ambulances are being used to transport the victims to Montgomery Regional Hospital.

Monday, April 16th 2007 10:32AM
At this time, one death and one injury have been confirmed. More information will be made available as it breaks.

Monday, April 16th 2007 10:20AM
All classes are canceled.

Monday, April 16th 2007 10:04AM
The university is encouraging everyone to stay indoors and away from windows. West Ambler Johnston and Squires are currently on confirmed lock down.

Monday, April 16th 2007 10:00AM
A gunman is confirmed loose on campus.

Monday, April 16th 2007 9:47AM
Shots were fired on campus in West Ambler Johnson Hall in the early morning hours.

The Collegiate Times is currently investigating the story. More information will be posted as it is made available.

[Marklar MM]

VT officials say 20 dead, 28 wounded..according to cnn

[Marklar MM]

Shooter was killed

[Marklar MM]

Shooter was Asian.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/ireports/2007/04/16/ireport.va.tech.shooting.cnn&checkAgain=false&wm=native_nm

[AFBlue]

Shooter was Asian.

Was it an engineer? Majority of the casualties were in an engineering classroom.

[Marklar MM]

At least 22 dead, 28 injured now.

[Marklar MM]

Was it an engineer? Majority of the casualties were in an engineering classroom.


They don't know. Shooter started on 4th floor of a dorm, then went to the engineering building across campus and fired randomly at students in a classroom.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Wow. MSNBC.com just crashed.

[Marklar MM]

Apparantly, he went into the dorm hall looking for his girlfriend, lined people up, then shot some of them execution style.
Foxnews

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

FoxNews cites AP in saying shooter was looking for his GF in the Res Hall and then lined up people and executed them.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

FoxNews

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/041607_shooting.jpg

[degenerate_gambler]

Shooter was killed


fucking figures..

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Link to Blacksburg scanner

http://www.newrivervalleynews.com/content/view/7612/85/

[Phil Hellmuth]

these kind of things make me wish there is a hell on this universe.

that shooter deserves to burn.

[Phil Hellmuth]

have a bit of decency and get that marcus vick picture off. jesus.

[Bob Lanier]

http://www.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/12/goodolemarcusvick.jpg
:lmao

:toast

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

have a bit of decency and get that marcus vick picture off. jesus.

Have a bit of intelligence and click this link.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=7

Or this one and check off "Show Images."

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=editoptions

[AFBlue]

NBC's Pete Williams said two law enforcement officials told him the gunman killed himself. They also said the gunman used two 9-mm handguns during the rampage, Williams reported.

Latest from MSNBC

[Marklar MM]

abcnews.com says at least 25 dead

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Holy shit, this is horrible. Worst school shooting in US History.

I didn't know about this one, but apparently...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

[Pistons < Spurs]

abcnews.com says at least 25 dead
Fox now saying 32 dead

[Marklar MM]

Fox News says-

Fed Sources: At least 32 people are dead

[monosylab1k]

death is too good for this cowardly fuck. i would have loved for him to be captured and spent the rest of his life being tortured.

[Borosai]

Damn, the number keeps climbing.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

This is pretty sad how political this is turning on MSNBC.

Gun control, Columbine aftermath.

[Cry Havoc]

22 dead 28 injured.

Horrible. Fark.com is going nuts.

[desflood]

death is too good for this cowardly fuck. i would have loved for him to be captured and spent the rest of his life being tortured.
Cue Manny.

[BacktoBasics]

Cue Manny. :lol

[AFBlue]

is the girlfriend thing still holding true?

[Spurminator]

:rolleyes

[01Snake]

Cue Boutons blaming Bush.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This pisses me off. You do all that and then when cornered by the cops you shoot yourself? What a coward. Sad day.

[Holt's Cat]

Damn.

[Chris Childs]

Talk about rap music degrading women.............


Look what ROCK MUSIC HAS DONE!!!!!!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

This pisses me off. You do all that and then when cornered by the cops you shoot yourself? What a coward. Sad day.

Saves the state some money, so I guess that's a good thing.

[SpursWoman]

Oh, man ... :(

[Melmart1]

On MSNBC they are saying that they are investigating a rumor that the shooter chained the doors of the hall shut so that students wouldn't be able to get out once he opened fire.

Completely sickening.

[Marklar MM]

Worst mass shooting in US history.

[Flight3107]

Talk about rap music degrading women.............


Look what ROCK MUSIC HAS DONE!!!!!!



We all know asian men love rock music :rolleyes

[AFBlue]

Two big rumors from this board....

1. The shooter is Asian

2. The shooter went to the dorm looking for his GF, and when he couldn't find her, shot some people in the hall execution style.

Now this third one about chaining the doors shut....

Are any/all of these true?

[Marklar MM]

Columbine occurred 8 years ago this coming Friday the 20th.

[Marklar MM]

Two big rumors from this board....

1. The shooter is Asian

2. The shooter went to the dorm looking for his GF, and when he couldn't find her, shot some people in the hall execution style.

Now this third one about chaining the doors shut....

Are any/all of these true?

We are just reporting the shit that Fox News and CNN and shit are reporting. Student reports state the shooter was a heavily armed Asian male in his twenties, although he probably only had pistols.

[Marklar MM]

There were also 2 bomb threats on campus in the past month.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Why does this shit always happen at schools!?!?! :bang

[Chris Childs]

Why does this shit always happen at schools!?!?! :bang

Rock Music!!!!!

[Marklar MM]

According to Foxnews, 2 handguns have been recovered

[Shelly]

so sad....FOX is saying 32 dead now :(

[angel_luv]

I am watching the footage with my landlady. Makes me want to cry. How terrible to be at college preparing for a bright future and to be brutally murdered.
Terrible isn't an accurate word. I don't know what is.

[angel_luv]

CNN is saying 31 dead.

[angel_luv]

One student being interviewed by phone on CNN just told reporters that a friend of his from Iraq called to check to see if he ( the student) was safe.
Awful irony, as the reporter pointed out.

[jacobdrj]

Saves the state some money, so I guess that's a good thing.
Come now, je just cost the state a LOT of money, On so many levals. Killing himself is a drop out of the ocean at this point.

I go to college as an engineering student. Yeah, this kind of freaks me out. A sad day when you feel safer in the former 13th precinct over a campus in Virginia...

[angel_luv]

I know I shouldn't try to understand shooters who do things like this since they are obviously crazy.
But what on earth... he kills 30 something people and then immediately kills himself.
Why not just kill himself? I mean did he think that the previous 30 murders would give him more peace about ending his own life?
So twisted.

[Shelly]

I know I shouldn't try to understand shooters who do things like this since they are obviously crazy.
But what on earth... he kills 30 something people and then immediately kills himself.
Why not just kill himself? I mean did he think that the previous 30 murders would give him more peace about ending his own life?
So twisted.

Was it confirmed that he killed himself or that he was killed?

[Marklar MM]

Oh boy...they brought up Doom. Damnit. They brought up Counter-Strike and Half-Life as well.

[sa_butta]

Was it confirmed that he killed himself or that he was killed?
"It was not clear if the gunman was killed by police or if he took his own life."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

So I guess that is yet to be determined.

[SAtown]

Oh boy...they brought up Doom. Damnit. They brought up Counter-Strike and Half-Life as well.

hmm, maybe they should check in his cd player to see what he was listening to. That'll justify why he killed 30+ people and wounded many others.

[angel_luv]

"It was not clear if the gunman was killed by police or if he took his own life."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

So I guess that is yet to be determined.

Yea- they just said the same on the live broadcast.

[Marklar MM]

hmm, maybe they should check in his cd player to see what he was listening to. That'll justify why he killed 30+ people and wounded many others.


I am just sick of every school shooting being blamed on video games that involve guns.

[SAtown]

I am just sick of every school shooting being blamed on video games that involve guns.

I know. Supposedly the shooter was in his 20's. It's just hard to believe that someone like that could be influenced by a movie, videogame, or music. It seems like it would have to run a little deeper than childish things.

[Marklar MM]

I agree with you. I am sure it will come out that something happened to him where he felt like getting revenge on everyone.

[JeremyWariner]

They had to have more than two damn handguns...especially to kill all the people they did. I am thinking automatic weapons unless they were lining people up shooting them execution style.

...and yes I think there were two gunmen

[Jimcs50]

Damn, now we will not have any more news about the Don Imus affair.

:rolleyes

[Marklar MM]

They had to have more than two damn handguns...especially to kill all the people they did. I am thinking automatic weapons unless they were lining people up shooting them execution style.



Not that hard when you shoot into a room with 1, maybe 2 exit ways.

[BacktoBasics]

He had to have an automatic weapon because there is no way you kill that many people with two handguns. Either that or we live in a society that are bigger pussies than I thought. Obviously there is more to it because someone would have thought of rushing him, throwing a book, bringing him down and holding him...

[Medvedenko]

This is horrible...blaming rock music, video games etc....sad really...I blame guns...call me crazy.

[LuvBones]

They reported it was two 9 mm handguns.. how long was this shooting going on for him to kill so many? :(

[LuvBones]

Bush about to make a speech..

[BacktoBasics]

This is horrible...blaming rock music, video games etc....sad really...I blame guns...call me crazy.Its absolutely fucking bullshit. Our society blames our countries shortcomings on the most rediculous shit.

[angel_luv]

Bush about to make a speech..


I heard the same...

[lebomb]

This is horrible...blaming rock music, video games etc....sad really...I blame guns...call me crazy.


You should blame the sick FUCK that shot those guns. Ive had a gun for the last 15yrs stashed for my protection at home.....I would never think of a random act of violence with it. Its sick basturds like this guy that give weapons a bad name.
:depressed

[BacktoBasics]

Bush about to make a speech..this could take hours :rolleyes

[angel_luv]

So sad to hear about that there are a large number of international students ( mostly India and China, I heard) that attend the school and so were also in danger.

Truly a world wide tragedy.

[angel_luv]

President Bush on.

[BacktoBasics]

oh shit here comes our fearless leader.

[BacktoBasics]

Best speech ever

[Samr]

note: this is the worst school shooting in US HISTORY

I have no suitable reaction to this other than to say I believe CNN/FoxNews is doing a great job, thus far, of relaying just the information and avoiding the "heartfelt" reactions. There is a time for those, and that time is not now. I am actually thrilled with the media at this moment.

[SAtown]

Best speech ever

What did you want him to say or do?

[Marklar MM]

note: this is the worst school shooting in US HISTORY



This is the worst shooting in US History. This includes everything...not just schools. The worst shooting on American soil.

[BacktoBasics]

What did you want him to say or do?was that seriously what you would say or better yet is that what you expected.

It read to me like "I just don't want it to look like I don't give a shit like Katrina so here I am. God fucking bless, peace out".

[angel_luv]

I am not a Bush fan by any means, but I don't know what more he could have said in his speech.
He reviewed the limited information available and offered the government's assistance and condolences.
As long as he follows through with his promised help, I don't see how he can be faulted.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Has anyone blamed Imus yet? Or global warming?


The Blame Game always intrigues me...

[BacktoBasics]

I didn't say faulted. The man has no personality, compassion, heart, balls etc...

[angel_luv]

I didn't say faulted. The man has no personality, compassion, heart, balls etc...


Well I don't want him to be like that Anna Nicole hearing judge who was bawling like a baby when he delivered his verdict.

I don't need the President be all expressive personality- I need him to be fair, competent and get the job done. So far today, mission accomplished.

[LuvBones]

I didn't say faulted. The man has no personality, compassion, heart, balls etc...Ok dude, we see how you feel about Bush.

[SAtown]

I don't need the President be all expressive personality- I need him to be fair, competant and get the job done. So far today, mission accomplished.

:tu

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Why is this story/tragedy being covered by ESPN?

[BacktoBasics]

To think that was an adequate speech just shows how idiotic our society truely is. I'm not asking the guy to cry like the bitch he is but my god we should...correction demand more from a man in his position. It seriously struck a cord with me. Sorry you guys find his tone acceptable.

[LuvBones]

To think that was an adequate speech just shows how idiotic our society truely is. I'm not asking the guy to cry like the bitch he is but my god we should...correction demand more from a man in his position. It seriously struck a cord with me. Sorry you guys find his tone acceptable.I'm not a fan of Bush either but damn.. some people think him breathing is offensive. http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif

[Marklar MM]

Rich Petrone just went off.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not a fan of Bush either but damn.. some people think him breathing is offensive. http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gifI could have sworn you only posted in the attention whore forum?

[angel_luv]

I could have sworn you only posted in the attention whore forum?

With only 20 posts how much could you really know anyone on here?

[LuvBones]

:lol yeah obviously he's a troll. I haven't even been here in over a month but I'm curious as to where this new attention whore forum is so I can run my happy ass over there. Good one BB. My point was to get this back to the topic at hand and not hijack this thread into an ANTI-Bush tirade.

[LuvBones]

more press at Virginia tech happening now..

[BacktoBasics]

:lol yeah obviously he's a troll. I haven't even been here in over a month but I'm curious as to where this new attention whore forum is so I can run my happy ass over there. Good one BB. My point was to get this back to the topic at hand and not hijack this thread into an ANTI-Bush tirade.
I'm not hijacking I don't want a anti-minge tirade either. I'm not a troll I've lurked here for years but finally started to post.

[Shelly]

A lone gunman is dead after killing 31 people at two sites at Virginia Tech, a state official told CNN. Virginia Tech president called the massacre a "incomprehensible, heinous act." Virginia Rep. Randy Forbes said he understands the shooter was a student and that he turned the gun on himself

cnn.com

[LuvBones]

I'm not hijacking I don't want a anti-minge tirade either. I'm not a troll I've lurked here for years but finally started to post.lovely way to start posting. http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/donkey.gif

[Marklar MM]

33 total deaths

[LuvBones]

That coward shooter took his own life.

[IceColdBrewski]

This is horrible...blaming rock music, video games etc....sad really...I blame guns...call me crazy.

Oh brother. Right on cue, here come the Gun control fanatics. :rolleyes

Take away all the guns, and maniacs like this walk into the school with a bag full of pipe bombs.

[AFBlue]

33 total deaths

The VaTech police chief said he wasn't sure whether the two shootings were related, but that they weren't looking for a second shooter at this point....how much sense does that make?

[kingsfan]

Wow there's still bodies in the dorm

[baseline bum]

I always hate when they count the shooter's death in these death tolls.... like somehow, his life had any value and we should care at all about the piece of shit.

[Shelly]

Wow there's still bodies in the dorm

Oh, man... :(

[SpursWoman]

I always hate when they count the shooter's death in these death tolls....


I was just thinking the same thing...

[Medvedenko]

Get rid of the guns.....one of the most efficient way to take a human life...I'd take my chances with someone with a knife...pipe bombs...yes, a lot murders happen with pipe bombs. Please, this only happens in the US to this sort of extent. You look at Japan and the UK and I don't see this shit happenening at schools.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

WTF is wrong with people in the states?? jesus!...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

How many school/campus shootings does this make?

[SpursWoman]

I'm fairly certain that most crimes are committed by people who didn't obtain them legally to begin with.

Banning them completely isn't going to make them disappear. Like Prohibition was so successful, too. :spin

[Spurminator]

We made our bed with guns, now we have to lie in it. At this point it may be too late to really do anything about it.

Thankfully these incidents are rare. But not rare enough.

[Medvedenko]

Prohibition....has nothing to do with guns...of course banning guns won't keep all guns out...but it will help. I just hope you feel safe and comfortable in your life knowing that anyone can get a gun a shoot someone. Look at other countries, rather than shrugging your shoulders.

[IceColdBrewski]

I'm fairly certain that most crimes are committed by people who didn't obtain them legally to begin with.

Banning them completely isn't going to make them disappear.


Exactly. Virginia Tech banned guns on campus, and what happens? Someone determined to use a gun on campus managed to sneak in an arsenal.
Ban all the guns, and only the people with bad intentions will have them and use them.

One guy every few years kills a bunch of people...so lets take away the contitutional rights of a hundred and fifty million law-abiding gun owners?

[Spurminator]

Those countries never had the proliferation of guns we now have, and then tried to ban them.

Apples and oranges.

[SpursWoman]

Prohibition....has nothing to do with guns...of course banning guns won't keep all guns out...but it will help. I just hope you feel safe and comfortable in your life knowing that anyone can get a gun a shoot someone. Look at other countries, rather than shrugging your shoulders.



I'm actually more afraid of people talking on their fucking cell phones while driving than I am about anyone carrying a gun.

And Prohibition was trying to ban something that is virtually unbannable. Trying to make it illegal isn't going to stop those who really want it.

[SAtown]

That cell phone footage that's on constant loop on CNN is frightening. (the one where you can hear the shots in the back and people yelling)

[mikejones99]

wow I wonder if Southpark will do a show on this or the Imus shit. Wednesday, everyone should watch Southpark, cuz they cover the news best.

[SAtown]

wow I wonder if Southpark will do a show on this or the Imus shit. Wednesday, everyone should watch Southpark, cuz they cover the news best.

They'll definately do Imus, but probably not (at least right now) this because of the sensitivity of it.

Also, I thought it took months for them to make a single episode...

[Marklar MM]

They'll definately do Imus, but probably not (at least right now) this because of the sensitivity of it.

Also, I thought it took months for them to make a single episode...

They can do episodes in under a week.

[mikejones99]

Southpark can put out a new show within a few days. And they don't give a fuck who thinks what about them, essay.

[BacktoBasics]

Too bad he just didn't take his own life beforehand. Why the needless killing.

[mikejones99]

Most people in the world want to kill a few others for revenge reasons, just most are not willing to go through with it. Laws need to change or this will happen more and more. I wonder if his bitch did something bad to him.

[Cry Havoc]

Maybe because he took the lives of 32 people + himself it will cause us to examine where the collegiate system is at the moment. It's nothing but stress and grief for the few students that try, and keg after massive keg party for the rest that shouldn't even be there.

I hope as a nation we take a deep breath and address the real issues of college here, because the stress is taking it's toll on students. You just never hear about it because a University doesn't want "stressed student hangs self" plastered all over the news. It's bad rep. for them.

Now though, maybe some small good will come out of this monstrosity. Sad that it takes this to get people's attention.

[Medvedenko]

Nothing will change...did it change after columbine...no, hence nothing will happen this time. People + Guns....not good.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Look at other countries, rather than shrugging your shoulders.
:lmao....how many "more dangerous" countries would you like me to list?

[Medvedenko]

Let's start with G8 countries....

[td4mvp21]

Shootings like this have nothing to do with gun control. It has to do with human nature. Any new invention or idea can and will be turned rotten until the day humanity comes to an end. At least that's my opinion.

[King]

Most people in the world want to kill a few others for revenge reasons, just most are not willing to go through with it.

Well, that's one of the more asinine things I've ever read. And if you've perused this board over the past few years, that's quite an accomplishment.

[SpursWoman]

Well, that's one of the more asinine things I've ever read. And if you've perused this board over the past few years, that's quite an accomplishment.

That that was actually pretty tame coming from him. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Let's start with G8 countries....
You failed to mention that in your previous post. And to only examine 8 countries would be pointless, considering that the world isn't composed of 8 countries.

[ALVAREZ6]

One of my good friends goes to Virginia Tech, and the initial shooting that took place in a dorm hall occurred two floors exactly below him. That shit is scary.

[ALVAREZ6]

Imagine being a parent of one of the victims. You send your kid to a respectable college, especially its Engineering college, and they get shot by some crazy guy. A wasted future, and not even mentioning the wasted tuition money. I don't understand why the hell people do these things without any reasons.

[FromWayDowntown]

Imagine being a parent of one of the victims. You send your kid to a respectable college, especially its Engineering college, and they get shot by some crazy guy. A wasted future, and not even mentioning the wasted tuition money. I don't understand why the hell people do these things without any reasons.

"Wasted tuition money" seems like an awfully minor thing to be concerned with.

As your post recognizes, though, the lost lives of the innocent students who fell victim to this madman are a toll that is too high for anyone to endure. I suppose that there's no way to ensure that everyone is protected all of the time -- Nutjobs who can't deal with adversity in their lives will create suffering like this in some way if they're determined to do so.

[ALVAREZ6]

"Wasted tuition money" seems like an awfully minor thing to be concerned with.
No shit, I wanted to say that I wasn't even going to go into that because it's uncomparable to the loss of a son/daughter.

[FromWayDowntown]

No shit, I wanted to say that I wasn't even going to go into that because it's uncomparable to the loss of a son/daughter.

I understand.

[ALVAREZ6]

I suppose that there's no way to ensure that everyone is protected all of the time -- Nutjobs who can't deal with adversity in their lives will create suffering like this in some way if they're determined to do so.Agreed. Virginia Tech doesn't deserve a bad name nor does any other place where a similar situation occurred. No one can predict this shit. This crap can happen anywhere.

Those that are so pissed off about something that they can't deal with should just put one in themselves, no need to fuck over other people who know how to deal with life.

[Jekka]

Maybe because he took the lives of 32 people + himself it will cause us to examine where the collegiate system is at the moment. It's nothing but stress and grief for the few students that try, and keg after massive keg party for the rest that shouldn't even be there.

I hope as a nation we take a deep breath and address the real issues of college here, because the stress is taking it's toll on students. You just never hear about it because a University doesn't want "stressed student hangs self" plastered all over the news. It's bad rep. for them.

Now though, maybe some small good will come out of this monstrosity. Sad that it takes this to get people's attention.
This is such bullshit - as if most schools won't bend over backwards to help students graduate. There is a reason that schools offer free counseling, advisors galore, free tutoring - this is why professors are required to have office hours. Part of college is learning a trade and a career path, and the other part is learning to deal with stress, deadlines, and reality in general. If you can't deal with the stress then college isn't for you, or you need to transfer out to some place that suits you better. If it were any easier then the degree wouldn't be worth as much. Thousands of people graduate from schools as competitive or more competitive than Virginia Tech every year and they don't shoot anyone - this is not the fault of the collegiate system, this is the fault of a man with abysmal judgment and a gun.

[Faccia di Angelo]

I just heard about this when I got home and I am completely stunned. I can't believe it. I don't know anyone in VA, or anyone going to VA Tech but I feel absolutely devastated over hearing this news. Words can't explain how it made me feel. What is this world coming to...
Each and everyone one of them is in my prayers.

[angel_luv]

One of my good friends goes to Virginia Tech, and the initial shooting that took place in a dorm hall occurred two floors exactly below him. That shit is scary.


That is awful. He's not hurt though right? I'll say a special prayer for him when I pray for the others involved.

[midgetonadonkey]

I hope the prick that did this shit gets ass raped in hell by Satan's 44 inch penis.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Let's start with G8 countries....
Lets start with Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This is all Marilyn Manson's fault.

[Cry Havoc]

This is such bullshit - as if most schools won't bend over backwards to help students graduate. There is a reason that schools offer free counseling, advisors galore, free tutoring - this is why professors are required to have office hours. Part of college is learning a trade and a career path, and the other part is learning to deal with stress, deadlines, and reality in general. If you can't deal with the stress then college isn't for you, or you need to transfer out to some place that suits you better. If it were any easier then the degree wouldn't be worth as much. Thousands of people graduate from schools as competitive or more competitive than Virginia Tech every year and they don't shoot anyone - this is not the fault of the collegiate system, this is the fault of a man with abysmal judgment and a gun.


That's not my point at all, and I'm not attempting to blame the college or the system in general, either. My point is that schools DO bend over backwards to help students graduate *coughathletescough*, and they shouldn't. There are kids who actually work their ass off in college and at the end of the day they have the same degree that Joe Schmo graduates with.

I mean, perhaps I'm just jaded by the fact that a large percentage of sophomores in college are unable to write a 10+ page paper. I've had to proofread so many papers (even from upperclassmen) that had no semblance of the English language, at all. I proofed a junior football player's paper once and he didn't even use a period, comma, or semicolon in the entire 3 page paper.

I have a degree that I worked for. 2,000 frat boys that I graduated with have the same, only they spent their weeks drowned in alcohol. Yet they graduate, because to fail someone "looks bad for the school". Don't bother to explain that kind of logic to me.

[MannyIsGod]

That's not my point at all, and I'm not attempting to blame the college or the system in general, either. My point is that schools DO bend over backwards to help students graduate *coughathletescough*, and they shouldn't. There are kids who actually work their ass off in college and at the end of the day they have the same degree that Joe Schmo graduates with.

I mean, perhaps I'm just jaded by the fact that a large percentage of sophomores in college are unable to write a 10+ page paper. I've had to proofread so many papers (even from upperclassmen) that had no semblance of the English language, at all. I proofed a junior football player's paper once and he didn't even use a period, comma, or semicolon in the entire 3 page paper.

I have a degree that I worked for. 2,000 frat boys that I graduated with have the same, only they spent their weeks drowned in alcohol. Yet they graduate, because to fail someone "looks bad for the school". Don't bother to explain that kind of logic to me.

Your entire point has nothing to with this shooting and everything to do with your bitterness at having people who feel got the same degree and didn't put in the work. Look at your last paragraph.

How on earth can you link that to this shooting?

[mardigan]

That's not my point at all, and I'm not attempting to blame the college or the system in general, either. My point is that schools DO bend over backwards to help students graduate *coughathletescough*, and they shouldn't. There are kids who actually work their ass off in college and at the end of the day they have the same degree that Joe Schmo graduates with.

I mean, perhaps I'm just jaded by the fact that a large percentage of sophomores in college are unable to write a 10+ page paper. I've had to proofread so many papers (even from upperclassmen) that had no semblance of the English language, at all. I proofed a junior football player's paper once and he didn't even use a period, comma, or semicolon in the entire 3 page paper.

I have a degree that I worked for. 2,000 frat boys that I graduated with have the same, only they spent their weeks drowned in alcohol. Yet they graduate, because to fail someone "looks bad for the school". Don't bother to explain that kind of logic to me.
I really dont see the relevence of this

[Jekka]

That's not my point at all, and I'm not attempting to blame the college or the system in general, either. My point is that schools DO bend over backwards to help students graduate *coughathletescough*, and they shouldn't. There are kids who actually work their ass off in college and at the end of the day they have the same degree that Joe Schmo graduates with.

I mean, perhaps I'm just jaded by the fact that a large percentage of sophomores in college are unable to write a 10+ page paper. I've had to proofread so many papers (even from upperclassmen) that had no semblance of the English language, at all. I proofed a junior football player's paper once and he didn't even use a period, comma, or semicolon in the entire 3 page paper.

I have a degree that I worked for. 2,000 frat boys that I graduated with have the same, only they spent their weeks drowned in alcohol. Yet they graduate, because to fail someone "looks bad for the school". Don't bother to explain that kind of logic to me.
You completely contradicted yourself trying to make a statement that has no relevance to the tragedy that happened today. I'm aware that there are a bunch of undeserving idiots that get degrees, and I'm sorry you're so bitter as to use something like this as an excuse to bitch about it.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I wonder what Alex Jones has to say about this..

[ashbeeigh]

The thing that gets me, and obviously the press so far, is the delay in reaction. President Steger has said over and over again that they didn't lock down the campus because it's like a "mini city.' Most colleges are. I wouldn't care if I were a commuter on my way to class and got turned around by police at 8:45 for my 9 am class, at least I would have been safe. The fact that they had already had two bomb threats should have put them on a heightened state of alert.

And the fact that the fact that they're calling these two "incidents" independent is load of shit. Several experts, forensic pschyitrists, FBI investigatots, and police on msnbc and cnn that I've seen today have even said so. If that has changed, I apologize for my rant, that's the last I heard from the redneck cop at like 6:30 tonight. Domestic issue my ass.

[Cry Havoc]

Your entire point has nothing to with this shooting and everything to do with your bitterness at having people who feel got the same degree and didn't put in the work. Look at your last paragraph.

How on earth can you link that to this shooting?


Point taken. Sorry. Apparently it was a lover's quarrel anyway, though I haven't had that confirmed.

I guess my point was that a large population of students feel disenfranchised by the system. They work themselves long nights and days for nothing. The stress around finals is palpable, and far worse than anything I've experienced outside of college. I'm just wondering where the breaking point is.

However, I'll just stop now, out of respect for the Va. Tech students. Our thoughts and prayers should be with them tonight.

[ashbeeigh]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/virginia_tech_shooting;_ylt=A0SOwmOtNSRGdIEB1xes0N UE

Pretty good summary of events so far.

[SPARKY]

Rather comforting that someone on a visa can pick up a couple of 9s.

[MannyIsGod]

Trying to ban guns is always the reflexive action when something like this happens. Its foolish and ignores the true sociological reasons for these situations.

[BeerIsGood!]

Does anyone remember the comedian that said the solution for violent crimes isn't gun control, but for everyone to have guns. People would be less likely to try to jack someone if they knew everyone was packin'. I thought that was pretty funny

[BacktoBasics]

Trying to ban guns is always the reflexive action when something like this happens. Its foolish and ignores the true sociological reasons for these situations.Typical Manny. Even with that said it still doesn't change the fact that it would decrease the likelihood of something like this happening. Even you aren't stupid enough to disagree with that.

Although it ignores the real problem it still acts as a deterent.

[MannyIsGod]

Typical Manny. Even with that said it still doesn't change the fact that it would decrease the likelihood of something like this happening. Even you aren't stupid enough to disagree with that.

Although it ignores the real problem it still acts as a deterent.Kind of like how prohbiiting drugs lowers the likelyhood of use? Kind of how prohibition on alcohol worked? Kind of like how we're able to ban things and they just go off into never never land and are never seen again?

Right.

[AlamoSpursFan]

and what kind of people would refuse to turn in their guns (people who want to use them and people who love their 2nd amendment rights)?

Me for one. It may be a cliche bumpersticker, but it's the truth: They can have my guns when they pry my cold, dead fingers from around them.

[BacktoBasics]

Kind of like how prohbiiting drugs lowers the likelyhood of use? Kind of how prohibition on alcohol worked? Kind of like how we're able to ban things and they just go off into never never land and are never seen again?

Right.I'm willing to bet alcohol use was lower during prohibition. Its clearly not the answer because there isn't one but its ignorant to think it wouldn't help.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm willing to bet alcohol use was lower during prohibition. Its clearly not the answer because there isn't one but its ignorant to think it wouldn't help.I think having everyone never leave their house would cut down on situations like this from happening, why don't we impliment that? You see whats wrong with your logic? Whether or not something helps is far too simple a way to look at things because we don't live in a one issue vaccuum and the right to bear arms goes much further than "can we prevent maniacs from killing other people". And thats if I concede your point that it will help - which i'm not doing because there is nothing outside of extremely weak circumstancial evidence saying it would.

You don't even know the reason WHY this person did what he did yet you're already on athe "ban guns" bandwagon. Do you realize how stupid that is?

We should ban airplanes to prevent 9/11 from happening again. I say we ban fertilizer to prevent OK City from happening again. Ban Kool Aid to prevent cults from commiting suicide.

I mean hey, that all helps, right?

[SpursWoman]

I'm willing to bet alcohol use was lower during prohibition.

By law abiding citizens, sure.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh and you want to know what really pisses me off about this entire situation? That now all the media trucks will roll onto that campus and cover this event like a national tragedy and proclaim how its so horrific it is while watching the advertiser dollars pour in. Anyone want to lay a bet on just how much of a ratings jump the news networks saw in the past 24 hours?

There will be plenty of people waiting in line to offer interviews in order to get their 15 minutes (or seconds - who's counting really?) of fame and time in the spotlight. It's fucking disgusting. And while I realize that there is going to be huge news coverage on they can save their "geniue" farse. I promise you that accross the inner cities of this country there have been more shooting deaths than occured there yesterday. Anyone care about those?

[MannyIsGod]

By law abiding citizens, sure.Yeah - something tells me that law abiding citizens aren't the ones that are killing people. The people who commit murder tend to break laws not follow them so I guess I"m just missing the point as to how those people will all of a sudden listen to prohibition laws.

[angel_luv]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting


BLACKSBURG, Va. - A Virginia Tech senior from South Korea killed at least 30 people locked inside a classroom building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university and police said Tuesday.





Ballistics tests also found that one of the guns used in that attack was also used in a shooting two hours earlier at a Virginia Tech dorm that left two people dead, Virginia State Police said.

Police identified the classroom shooter as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior from South Korea who was in the English department and lived in another dorm on campus. They said Cho committed suicide after the attacks, and there was no indication Tuesday of a possible motive.

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.

Two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were found on the guns used in both shootings. The serial numbers on the two weapons had been filed off, the officials said.

One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.

Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said it was reasonable to assume that Cho was the shooter in both attacks but that link was yet definitive.

"There's no evidence of any accomplice at either event, but we're exploring the possibility," he said.

Cho was a permanent legal resident of the United States, according to a Homeland Security Department official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced.

A memorial service was planned for the victims Tuesday afternoon at the university, and President Bush planned to attend, the White House said. Gov. Tim Kaine was flying back to Virginia from Tokyo for the 2 p.m. convocation.

The first deadly attack, at a dormitory around 7:15 a.m., left two people dead. But some students said they didn't get their first warning about a danger on campus until two hours later, in an e-mail at 9:26 a.m. By then the second attack had begun.

Two students told NBC's "Today" show they were unaware of the dorm shooting when they walked into Norris Hall for a German class where the gunman later opened fire.

The victims in Norris Hall were found in four different classrooms and a stairwell, Flaherty said. Cho was found dead in one of those classrooms, he said.

Derek O'Dell, his arm in a cast after being shot, described a shooter who fired away in "eerily silence" with "no specific target — just taking out anybody he could."

After the gunman left the room, students could hear him shooting other people down the hall. O'Dell said he and other students barricaded the door so the shooter couldn't get back in — though he later tried.

"After he couldn't get the door open he tried shooting it open ... but the gunshots were blunted by the door," O'Dell said.

A federal law enforcement official said Tuesday he had been told by other federal law enforcement officials that the two guns recovered in the shooting had had their serial numbers scraped off. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced.

The slayings left people of this once-peaceful mountain town and the university at its heart praying for the victims and struggling to find order in a tragedy of such unspeakable horror it defies reason.

"For Ryan and Emily and for those whose names we do not know," one woman pleaded in a church service Monday night.

Another mourner added: "For parents near and far who wonder at a time like this, 'Is my child safe?'"

That question promises to haunt Blacksburg long after Monday's attacks. Investigators offered no motive, and the gunman's name was not immediately released.

The shooting began about 7:15 a.m. on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston, a high-rise coed dormitory where two people died.

Police were still investigating around 9:15 a.m., when a gunman wielding two handguns and carrying multiple clips of ammunition stormed Norris Hall, a classroom building a half-mile away on the other side of the 2,600-acre campus.

At least 20 people were taken to hospitals after the second attack, some seriously injured. Many found themselves trapped after someone, apparently the shooter, chained and locked Norris Hall doors from the inside.

Students jumped from windows, and students and faculty carried away some of the wounded without waiting for ambulances to arrive.

SWAT team members with helmets, flak jackets and assault rifles swarmed over the campus. A student used his cell-phone camera to record the sound of bullets echoing through a stone building.

Inside Norris, the attack began with a thunderous sound from Room 206 — "what sounded like an enormous hammer," said Alec Calhoun, a 20-year-old junior who was in a solid mechanics lecture in a classroom next door.

Screams followed an instant later, and the banging continued. When students realized the sounds were gunshots, Calhoun said, he started flipping over desks to make hiding places. Others dashed to the windows of the second-floor classroom, kicking out the screens and jumping from the ledge of Room 204, he said.

"I must've been the eighth or ninth person who jumped, and I think I was the last," said Calhoun, of Waynesboro, Va. He landed in a bush and ran.

Calhoun said that the two students behind him were shot, but that he believed they survived. Just before he climbed out the window, Calhoun said, he turned to look at his professor, who had stayed behind, apparently to prevent the gunman from opening the door.

The instructor was killed, Calhoun said.

Erin Sheehan, who was in the German class near Calhoun's room, told the student newspaper, the Collegiate Times, that she was one of only four of about two dozen people in the class to walk out of the room. The rest were dead or wounded, she said.

She said the gunman "was just a normal-looking kid, Asian, but he had on a Boy Scout-type outfit. He wore a tan button-up vest, and this black vest, maybe it was for ammo or something."

The gunman first shot the professor in the head and then fired on the class, another student, Trey Perkins, told The Washington Post. The gunman was about 19 years old and had a "very serious but very calm look on his face," he said.

"Everyone hit the floor at that moment," said Perkins, 20, of Yorktown, Va., a sophomore studying mechanical engineering. "And the shots seemed like it lasted forever."

At an evening news conference, Police Chief Wendell Flinchum refused to dismiss the possibility that a co-conspirator or second shooter was involved. He said police had interviewed a male who was a "person of interest" in the dorm shooting and who knew one of the victims, but he declined to give details.

"I'm not saying there's a gunman on the loose," Flinchum said. Ballistics tests will help explain what happened, he said.

Some students bitterly complained that the first e-mail warning arrived more than two hours after the first shots.

"I think the university has blood on their hands because of their lack of action after the first incident," said Billy Bason, 18, who lives on the seventh floor of the dorm.

University President Charles Steger emphasized that the university closed off the dorm after the first attack and decided to rely on e-mail and other electronic means to spread the word, but said that with 11,000 people driving onto campus first thing in the morning, it was difficult to get the word out.

He said that before the e-mail was sent, the university began telephoning resident advisers in the dorms and sent people to knock on doors. Students were warned to stay inside and away from the windows.

"We can only make decisions based on the information you had at the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it," Steger said.

The 9:26 e-mail had few details: "A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating."

Until Monday, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

Nine students remained hospitalized Tuesday at Montgomery Regional Hospital, all of them stable, CEO Scott Hill said. Two others had been transferred to other hospitals with a Level I trauma center.

Their families "are by the bedside, which is a good thing," Hill said.

Lewis-Gale Medical Center in Salem had three remaining patients, all in stable condition, with one expected to be discharged later Tuesday, Hill said.

The massacre Monday took place almost eight years to the day after the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo. On April 20, 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.

Previously, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police.

Founded in 1872, Virginia Tech is nestled in southwestern Virginia, about 160 miles west of Richmond. With more than 25,000 full-time students, it has the state's largest full-time student population. The school is best known for its engineering school and its powerhouse Hokies football team.

Police said there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks but that they had not determined whether they were linked to the shootings.

It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of gunfire.

Last August, the opening day of classes was canceled when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy was killed just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

Among the dead were professors Liviu Librescu and Kevin Granata, said Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the engineering science and mechanics department.

Librescu, an Israeli, was born in Romania and was known internationally for his research in aeronautical engineering, Puri wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Granata and his students researched muscle and reflex response and robotics. Puri called him one of the top five biomechanics researchers in the country working on movement dynamics in cerebral palsy.

Also killed was Ryan Clark, a student from Martinez, Ga., who had several majors and carried a 4.0 grade-point average, said Vernon Collins, coroner in Columbia County, Ga.

His friend Gregory Walton, a 25-year-old who graduated last year, said he feared the nightmare had just begun.

"I knew when the number was so large that I would know at least one person on that list," said Walton, a banquet manager. "I don't want to look at that list. I don't want to.

"It's just, it's going to be horrible, and it's going to get worse before it gets better."

___

Associated Press Writers Justin Pope in Blacksburg and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington contributed to this report.

[BacktoBasics]

I think having everyone never leave their house would cut down on situations like this from happening, why don't we impliment that? You see whats wrong with your logic? Whether or not something helps is far too simple a way to look at things because we don't live in a one issue vaccuum and the right to bear arms goes much further than "can we prevent maniacs from killing other people". And thats if I concede your point that it will help - which i'm not doing because there is nothing outside of extremely weak circumstancial evidence saying it would.

You don't even know the reason WHY this person did what he did yet you're already on athe "ban guns" bandwagon. Do you realize how stupid that is?

We should ban airplanes to prevent 9/11 from happening again. I say we ban fertilizer to prevent OK City from happening again. Ban Kool Aid to prevent cults from commiting suicide.

I mean hey, that all helps, right?I never said I was on the bandwagon you fucking monkey. I never said it was an answer to the problem. I never said we should do it you fucking loon. I said it would make a difference. Its just one point that is easy provable but I never said that was my stance. Can you not fucking read before just blabbing like a know it all fucktard.

Just because it would help doesn't mean I said we should fucking do it. Jesus Christ. I was simply pointing out that you are stupid to think it wouldn't make a difference. I WAS NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE DONE. Plenty of countries ban most guns and yes it does cut down on the problem. I don't see how you can deny that.

Just to further pound it into your furry little head YES banning planes would cut down on hijacking. Is that the answer NO stop reading too deep and just comprehend what is actually being said.

NO FUCKING WHERE IN MY POSTS DID I SAY WE SHOULD DO IT OR IT'S THE ANSWER.

[AlamoSpursFan]

I didn't read the rest of the thread, so I don't know if this has been covered, but those "press conferences" yesterday were fucking jokes.

Half of the media idiots were repeatedly asking irrelevant questions or questions common sense should have told them they weren't going to get answers to, and the other half were asking leading, argumentative, and downright hostile questions condemning the school administration for their handling of a situation I guarantee you they weren't EVER expecting to have to handle.

I'm sick to death of the media in this country no longer doing their jobs and reporting the FACTS. Most journalists these days are activists who think their notebooks are the keys to changing the world.

And the dumb broad who actually had the audacity to ask "Were the doors chained from the inside or the outside" should be fired for asking the stupidest question in the history of journalism.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default.asp?bkgd=blue

[AlamoSpursFan]

I never said I was on the bandwagon you fucking monkey. I never said it was an answer to the problem. I never said we should do it you fucking loon. I said it would make a difference. Its just one point that is easy provable but I never said that was my stance. Can you not fucking read before just blabbing like a know it all fucktard.

Just because it would help doesn't mean I said we should fucking do it. Jesus Christ. I was simply pointing out that you are stupid to think it wouldn't make a difference. I WAS NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE DONE. Plenty of countries ban most guns and yes it does cut down on the problem. I don't see how you can deny that.

Just to further pound it into your furry little head YES banning planes would cut down on hijacking. Is that the answer NO stop reading too deep and just comprehend what is actually being said.

NO FUCKING WHERE IN MY POSTS DID I SAY WE SHOULD DO IT OR IT'S THE ANSWER.

Name calling one of the most respected and well liked members of the board is not going to earn your point of view any points, douchebag.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Oh and you want to know what really pisses me off about this entire situation? That now all the media trucks will roll onto that campus and cover this event like a national tragedy and proclaim how its so horrific it is while watching the advertiser dollars pour in. Anyone want to lay a bet on just how much of a ratings jump the news networks saw in the past 24 hours?

There will be plenty of people waiting in line to offer interviews in order to get their 15 minutes (or seconds - who's counting really?) of fame and time in the spotlight. It's fucking disgusting. And while I realize that there is going to be huge news coverage on they can save their "geniue" farse. I promise you that accross the inner cities of this country there have been more shooting deaths than occured there yesterday. Anyone care about those?
Heh, cut back on the cynicism a little.

Fact of the matter is, the media WILL always blow up situations like these. Also, I think a mass murder in your own backyard IS a national tragedy.
Also, I hardly think your 15 minutes of fame, is a motivation for anyone involved with the situation. You're really inferring flawed rational bases.
Also the innercity connection and that reasoning about "ignored" tragedies is ridiculous. Tragedies are tragedies regardless, and 32 innocent students are dead not due to socio-economic circumstances but a completely senseless act. There's reason why the country flip out over losses like these because it has nothing to do with anything or causes. It's a freak occurrence with no real answers. Your outrage, or disgust is unwarranted griping about inner-city scenarios which hardly proves that no one "cares about " those. It's no different than saying those shouldn't give sympathy to someone mourning over their family member dying of cancer, because out there, someone else is dying of a more debilitating painful disease.

[Spurminator]

I didn't read the rest of the thread, so I don't know if this has been covered, but those "press conferences" yesterday were fucking jokes.

Half of the media idiots were repeatedly asking irrelevant questions or questions common sense should have told them they weren't going to get answers to, and the other half were asking leading, argumentative, and downright hostile questions condemning the school administration for their handling of a situation I guarantee you they weren't EVER expecting to have to handle.

I'm sick to death of the media in this country no longer doing their jobs and reporting the FACTS. Most journalists these days are activists who think their notebooks are the keys to changing the world.

And the dumb broad who actually had the audacity to ask "Were the doors chained from the inside or the outside" should be fired for asking the stupidest question in the history of journalism.


There's always more to the story than what happened. We need a Fall Guy, someone to look at and say, "If I was in that position I would have done a better job." It makes us feel better about ourselves while we waste our lives away with people we don't like and jobs we can't stand.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I didn't read the rest of the thread, so I don't know if this has been covered, but those "press conferences" yesterday were fucking jokes.

Half of the media idiots were repeatedly asking irrelevant questions or questions common sense should have told them they weren't going to get answers to, and the other half were asking leading, argumentative, and downright hostile questions condemning the school administration for their handling of a situation I guarantee you they weren't EVER expecting to have to handle.

I'm sick to death of the media in this country no longer doing their jobs and reporting the FACTS. Most journalists these days are activists who think their notebooks are the keys to changing the world.

And the dumb broad who actually had the audacity to ask "Were the doors chained from the inside or the outside" should be fired for asking the stupidest question in the history of journalism.

I wouldn't be so angry, though, the coverage from yesterday WAS scrambled but that could have more to do with the fact that no one had MUCH if any real conclusive evidence. So they were like chickens with their head cut off. I had to google news GUNMAN to actually get real facts off the situation, and interview accounts of the unfolding details. Other than that it was a bit fluff. But expect news channels like NBC to put sentimentality into their coverage during primetime, they started it already last night.

That said, some of you guys act like you're learning of this "media behavior" for the first time.

[MannyIsGod]

Heh, cut back on the cynicism a little.

Fact of the matter is, the media WILL always blow up situations like these. Also, I think a mass murder in your own backyard IS a national tragedy.
Also, I hardly think your 15 minutes of fame, is a motivation for anyone involved with the situation. You're really inferring flawed rational bases.
Also the innercity connection and that reasoning about "ignored" tragedies is ridiculous. Tragedies are tragedies regardless, and 32 innocent students are dead not due to socio-economic circumstances but a completely senseless act. There's reason why the country flip out over losses like these because it has nothing to do with anything or causes. It's a freak occurrence with no real answers. Your outrage, or disgust is unwarranted griping about inner-city scenarios which hardly proves that no one "cares about " those. It's no different than saying those shouldn't give sympathy to someone mourning over their family member dying of cancer, because out there, someone else is dying of a more debilitating painful disease.In no way have I said there should be a shortage of sympathy for these people and I have not said it is not a tradgedy. I have said that our sensationalist society will play it up for all its worth and make it stand out on its own. The fact that the inner city IS vastly ignored is all the proof needed. Last time I checked, Compton wasn't being overun by CNN satellite trucks.

Not to worry, by next week we'll find another baby that may belong to Anna Nicole or some other talkshow host will say something stupid and we can all go back to whats important in life feeling great that we realy took a look at whats wrong with our society with several CNN special news events.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

There's always more to the story than what happened. We need a Fall Guy, someone to look at and say, "If I was in that position I would have done a better job." It makes us feel better about ourselves while we waste our lives away with people we don't like and jobs we can't stand.
I think it's natural for them (the students, families) to respond angrily. And in hindsight he did bungle it a bit. But "blood on his hands" is something said out of outrage, and I don't think it's right. There is NO WAY they could have foreseen this. And it's only something to keep in mind.

There's an inconsistency ,because they did take the proper measures when that gunman was on the loose in August. And this time, they bungled it because they had assumed it was an isolated domestic incident. What happened happened. And the blame game doesn't ever help matters. I'm sure the president is anguishing enough over his delayed response time.

[MannyIsGod]

I wouldn't be so angry, though, the coverage from yesterday WAS scrambled but that could have more to do with the fact that no one had MUCH if any real conclusive evidence. So they were like chickens with their head cut off. I had to google news GUNMAN to actually get real facts off the situation, and interview accounts of the unfolding details. Other than that it was a bit fluff. But expect news channels like NBC to put sentimentality into their coverage during primetime, they started it already last night.

That said, some of you guys act like you're learning of this "media behavior" for the first time.No one's learning about it for the first time; it is simply far more apparent in situations like this.

[MannyIsGod]

I never said I was on the bandwagon you fucking monkey. I never said it was an answer to the problem. I never said we should do it you fucking loon. I said it would make a difference. Its just one point that is easy provable but I never said that was my stance. Can you not fucking read before just blabbing like a know it all fucktard.

Just because it would help doesn't mean I said we should fucking do it. Jesus Christ. I was simply pointing out that you are stupid to think it wouldn't make a difference. I WAS NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE DONE. Plenty of countries ban most guns and yes it does cut down on the problem. I don't see how you can deny that.

Just to further pound it into your furry little head YES banning planes would cut down on hijacking. Is that the answer NO stop reading too deep and just comprehend what is actually being said.

NO FUCKING WHERE IN MY POSTS DID I SAY WE SHOULD DO IT OR IT'S THE ANSWER.I'm stupid to think it woudln't make a difference eh? Great. You're brilliant. With all the evidence you supplied to make your point I don't see why I would think differently. Nice job.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'd like to respond here, ASF.



Half of the media idiots were repeatedly asking irrelevant questions or questions common sense should have told them they weren't going to get answers to, and the other half were asking leading, argumentative, and downright hostile questions condemning the school administration for their handling of a situation I guarantee you they weren't EVER expecting to have to handle.


The first half of your statement: We need to ask those questions, plain and simple. You ask those questions (knowing damn well that you probably won't get anything but a "no comment" or "I don't know" or "Can't release that at this time" on the chance that you do get an answer of relevance. The rule is never assume the obvious and never assume that the reader/viewer knows the obvious. The rule is "If it's not generally accepted as fact, such as 'The sky is blue,' then get confirmation from an outside source." We as journalists aren't the sources.

As far as activism goes, I saw less of that in the early coverage than I'm used to, so I was a little better about it, but it still needs to go (at least from my rookie/fresh-off-the-truck, this-is-the-way-we-do-it way of thinking about journalism). Sadly, that's been one of the problems of 24-hour news...they need to fill.


And the dumb broad who actually had the audacity to ask "Were the doors chained from the inside or the outside" should be fired for asking the stupidest question in the history of journalism.

Again, let's say she doesn't ask that question and it's never brought up by those leading the press conference. She writes that they were chained from the inside and (again, example to prove a point) the gunman actually chained from the outside and went into the building another way.

Picture comes out (or witnesses state later) that there were chains on the outside.

Who hasn't done their job at that point?

The rule is: If you didn't observe it with your own eyes, find somebody who will go on-the-record about what the facts were. Our job is not to assume what went on, but to ask questions about what we didn't see and disseminate that information for our readers by helping them visualize the story.

[Sonia_TX]

When the name of the shooter came out I looked him up on myspace and found one in Virginia with a picture. He hasn't been on since 2005... anyhow... if you looked at his picture and the comments on the picture people were already leaving comments to this guy. Rot in hell, coward and other offensive things. Not sure if that was the guy but everything seemed to match what was heard on the news. This was about an hour ago and now that myspace no longer exists.

[AlamoSpursFan]

Good points JB, but it still frustrated me.

I got the feeling that the reporters all thought that life was like an episode of CSI and the case should be closed within an hour.

And the chaining question just sounded silly to me.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm stupid to think it woudln't make a difference eh? Great. You're brilliant. With all the evidence you supplied to make your point I don't see why I would think differently. Nice job.Listen up Amy the real stupid part is that it was a statement not even made by myself which I didn't even agree with or argue for. I simply stated the painfully obvious that yes if you ban something it helps remove some of the risk, I also said it wasn't the answer just like you did. Its not my intention to support it you blind fucking moron. Can you not fucking read. Are you really so fucking hard headed to not even read what I'm saying. I'M NOT IN SUPPORT FOR BANNING GUNS, ITS NOT THE ANSWER TO THE REAL PROBLEMS OUR SOCIETY FACES.

You just are incapable of getting past a simple point that has merit although its a rediculous idea to ban guns it still doesn't change the fact that some gun related crimes would be avoided by it.

You do what you always do and you turn a simple statement into an arguement where there shouldn't be one.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

In no way have I said there should be a shortage of sympathy for these people and I have not said it is not a tradgedy. I have said that our sensationalist society will play it up for all its worth and make it stand out on its own. The fact that the inner city IS vastly ignored is all the proof needed. Last time I checked, Compton wasn't being overun by CNN satellite trucks.

While I'm not going to say you're wrong (because you're not), what seems to have happened here is that the values of news judgment have been affected by everyday life.

You know how I argue so I'm not going to preface it again.

How often are there shootings at universities? How often in Compton (or hell, for argument's sake) the inner-city of San Antonio?

The term used in describing this (and for the record, I hate the term and wish instructors would break out their thesauruses before teaching) is novelty. Another value in play here is interest (of the public).

(This is where the question of who dictates what news is, the reader or the media, comes into play, by the way).

Is the public more interested in a shooting at a university versus the inner-city? How often does each happen? Also, to top that off, 33 deaths...1 death.

I'm not defending the lack of stories in everyday life because it's quite obvious that some stories can enact radical changes in thinking from public officials and the general public, but this is what it has become.

[01Snake]

Here's the coward:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_vatech_cho_070417_nr.jpg

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Good points JB, but it still frustrated me.

I got the feeling that the reporters all thought that life was like an episode of CSI and the case should be closed within an hour.

And the chaining question just sounded silly to me.

Understandable.

I pulled out my copy of "Best Practices for Newspaper Journalists" from The Freedom Forum because I remembered some of the studies they cited.

I'm going to type this paragraph directly from the first chapter "Newspapers are unfair when: They get the facts wrong"



Although many journalists may think that spelling and grammar errors, wrong names, wrong titles, wrong addresses, wrong dates and other similar mistakes have relatively little to do with the press's credibility, the public sees it otherwise. In all of out roundtables, the frequency of errors was cited as a major reason why the public is increasingly skeptical of what it reads.

In the 1999 ASNE Credibility Study, a national random sample of readers had an identical result: Factual errors in news stories corrode the credibility of newspapers publishing the mistakes.

In a 1994 survey of Chicago-area readers by Northwestern University researchers David Nelson and Paul Wang, accuracy was found to be among characteristics that most bothered readers about newspapers. In a Louis Harris & Associates survey commissioned in 1996 for the Center of Media and Public Affairs, only a bare majority of those surveyed agreed that the media "usually get the facts straight." And in a 1998 Media Studies Center national poll, 86% of respondents said they believed that stories "often" or "sometimes" contained factual errors.


(The book I cited can be downloaded here) http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=12828

It goes on to say that a large majority of those surveyed said they'd rather an outlet hold the story and double-check facts than to get it out there first and correct later.

Ask the questions you don't know the answers to, then ask it again.

[JeremyWariner]

not sure if anyone saw this...

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

[mardigan]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3048155&page=1

[MannyIsGod]

Listen up Amy the real stupid part is that it was a statement not even made by myself which I didn't even agree with or argue for. I simply stated the painfully obvious that yes if you ban something it helps remove some of the risk, I also said it wasn't the answer just like you did. Its not my intention to support it you blind fucking moron. Can you not fucking read. Are you really so fucking hard headed to not even read what I'm saying. I'M NOT IN SUPPORT FOR BANNING GUNS, ITS NOT THE ANSWER TO THE REAL PROBLEMS OUR SOCIETY FACES.

You just are incapable of getting past a simple point that has merit although its a rediculous idea to ban guns it still doesn't change the fact that some gun related crimes would be avoided by it.

You do what you always do and you turn a simple statement into an arguement where there shouldn't be one.Keep the evidence coming.

[mardigan]

There has been a bomb threat at my old shool today, St. Edwards in Austin

[MannyIsGod]

While I'm not going to say you're wrong (because you're not), what seems to have happened here is that the values of news judgment have been affected by everyday life.

You know how I argue so I'm not going to preface it again.

How often are there shootings at universities? How often in Compton (or hell, for argument's sake) the inner-city of San Antonio?

The term used in describing this (and for the record, I hate the term and wish instructors would break out their thesauruses before teaching) is novelty. Another value in play here is interest (of the public).

(This is where the question of who dictates what news is, the reader or the media, comes into play, by the way).

Is the public more interested in a shooting at a university versus the inner-city? How often does each happen? Also, to top that off, 33 deaths...1 death.

I'm not defending the lack of stories in everyday life because it's quite obvious that some stories can enact radical changes in thinking from public officials and the general public, but this is what it has become.Joe, I said sensationalist society not sensationalist media. The media simply provides what the public wants.

[angel_luv]

When the name of the shooter came out I looked him up on myspace and found one in Virginia with a picture. He hasn't been on since 2005... anyhow... if you looked at his picture and the comments on the picture people were already leaving comments to this guy. Rot in hell, coward and other offensive things. Not sure if that was the guy but everything seemed to match what was heard on the news. This was about an hour ago and now that myspace no longer exists.


I understand people are angry and I if it gives them release, who am I to object to them posting notes to a dead man.

It goes to show how understandably crazy this tragedy has already made people
I just hope all the people victimized have supportive family and friends because they are obviously greatly suffering.

I also hope the best for the shooter's family. They are the most likely to be forgotten at a time like this and yet are no doubt deeply grieving as well.
Their son, brother, nephew etc. hurt everyone, including them.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't help but see the irony of people posting pure vile and hatred wondering how things like this can happen.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and I've never seen someone seem so threatend by me like Bishop is. Its cute how far under his skin I can get even when I hardly post now. I just need to come in and say something he doesn't like and BAM. He's like the forum puffer fish.

[BacktoBasics]

Keep the evidence coming.what evidence you fucking dumbass I agree with you. My fucking god you are so fucking stupid. No wonder people go on murderous sprees with assholes like you around. I can't believe how someone as fucking stupid as you has found a way to function in society. It won't be long before you completely and totally fail at life.

[BacktoBasics]

Its more like being annoyed at how much I can't stand the way you go about things. Its like talking to a wall. You're never wrong and its sickening. Your kids will hate you. You fail time and time again to just look and decipher without turning it into some kind of pointless dribble.

Even funnier that I must have gotten under your skin so much that you needed to find out who I was.

[MannyIsGod]

Evidence for what? Well what is it that you have been saying? That banning guns would make a difference.

What else would I be asking for evidence for? And I'm the stupid one? I'm the one that can't read? Ok.

[MannyIsGod]

Its more like being annoyed at how much I can't stand the way you go about things. Its like talking to a wall. You're never wrong and its sickening. Your kids will hate you. You fail time and time again to just look and decipher without turning it into some kind of pointless dribble.

Even funnier that I must have gotten under your skin so much that you needed to find out who I was.Needed to find out? You think I asked someone? :lol

Who else calls me Amy?

:lmao

Dude, I know its you evertime because your posting style is the exact same. You and your new screen name every 2 days give yourself away the moment you start with your monkey jokes and by calling me Amy.

Right, I can see where I'm the stupid one again.

[MannyIsGod]

Because I look like a monkey and Amy was the name of the gorilla in Congo.

[Trainwreck2100]

Mydeathspace is crashed

[BacktoBasics]

Evidence for what? Well what is it that you have been saying? That banning guns would make a difference.

What else would I be asking for evidence for? And I'm the stupid one? I'm the one that can't read? Ok.Holy fucking shit. I said that yes technically on paper it would make a difference but its not the answer. I don't think its what we should do JUST LIKE YOU DON'T THINK ITS WHAT WE SHOULD DO. You think I'm saying we should ban guns. Thats not what I'm saying...fucking christ.

"anymore so than banning planes would help cut down on hijacking"....because there are no fucking planes, even though on paper it would. On paper its adds up but in real life its likely to cause more problems than help. What part of that do you not fucking understand.

I think banning guns a pointless idea THAT FOR ONE I DID NOT MAKE SOMEONE ELSE DID. I simply stated that yes technically it would cut down on gun related crimes since guns would be banned and there would be less firearms available but I also said that its not a good or feasible idea. Its not addressing the real problems.

To think that banning guns wouldn't cut down on some crime is retarded. To think that banning guns would solve our problems is equally retarded. You are fucking arguing with me over something I'm half agreeing with you on. What a fucking douche bag you are. Pull your god damn head out of your ass and look around.

[BacktoBasics]

Because I look like a monkey and Amy was the name of the gorilla in Congo.Having him post that made me laugh out loud uncontrolably. :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Melmart1]

So Bishop comes into this thread and starts with his anti-Bush bullshit agenda, then when that didn't work, onto his anti-Manny agenda. :rolleyes

[MannyIsGod]

I like that evidence you provided in that post. It really closes your case strongly.

[MannyIsGod]

Over Under on how many of my posts I can give Bishop an aneurysm in?

[BacktoBasics]

So Bishop comes into this thread and starts with his anti-Bush bullshit agenda, then when that didn't work, onto his anti-Manny agenda. :rolleyes
No one heard you since we can't see your tits.

[BacktoBasics]

Over Under on how many of my posts I can give Bishop an aneurysm in?
Lets be bestest of friend Manny. :pctoss .

[Melmart1]

Pull your god damn head out of your ass and look around.
I would encourage YOU to pull your head out of your ass and look around--at which thread you are in. This was once a nice thread giving out information and allowing people to react to a tragedy. Now it's been turned into a bullshit pissing contest because you can't seem to let go of your hatred for Manny.

Manny is the new HEB cashier.

[MannyIsGod]

Lets be bestest of friend Manny. :pctoss .
Sorry - I may look like a monkey but you're still far too stupid for me to ever want to befriend. Dealing with you would be worse than dealing with a retarded child.

[BacktoBasics]

I would encourage YOU to pull your head out of your ass and look around--at which thread you are in. This was once a nice thread giving out information and allowing people to react to a tragedy. Now it's been turned into a bullshit pissing contest because you can't seem to let go of your hatred for Manny.

Manny is the new HEB cashier.what? Did you say something?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And here I was being told Marcus Vick was the downfall of decency in our society.

[MannyIsGod]

I would encourage YOU to pull your head out of your ass and look around--at which thread you are in. This was once a nice thread giving out information and allowing people to react to a tragedy. Now it's been turned into a bullshit pissing contest because you can't seem to let go of your hatred for Manny.

Manny is the new HEB cashier.Welcome to the world of the man with the inferiority complex. He's gotta prove how much better he is on a constant basis. For most whipping it out to see who's is bigger is just a metaphor. For most.

[BacktoBasics]

Sorry - I may look like a monkey but you're still far too stupid for me to ever want to befriend. Dealing with you would be worse than dealing with a retarded child.
I made a legitimate point to expand on someone else's statement. Then partially agreed with you. You turned it into the most rediculous discussion known to man. Difference between me and you is that I can open my mind and see things from different angles to better understand what people are saying. Once you make up your mind you go off like hungry crackwhore.

I'd still have a beer with you even though you'd probably resort to fecal matter tossing at my presence.

[BacktoBasics]

Welcome to the world of the man with the inferiority complex. He's gotta prove how much better he is on a constant basis. For most whipping it out to see who's is bigger is just a metaphor. For most.You are the worlds biggest one trick pony.

[BacktoBasics]

Welcome to the world of the man with the inferiority complex. He's gotta prove how much better he is on a constant basis.
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. Your constant need to insult people with an expanded vocabulary. Prove you are smarter on the most childish levels. I'd say your inferiority complex out weighs this entire board.

[MannyIsGod]

You are the worlds biggest one trick pony.Who looks like a monkey?

Is it really my fault you found the best way to embody you're entire personality in one act? It spoke volumes, even if the book was a bit short.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Who looks like a monkey?

Well, if the poker ever falls through, you could join a sideshow.

[MannyIsGod]

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. Your constant need to insult people with an expanded vocabulary. Prove you are smarter on the most childish levels. I'd say your inferiority complex out weighs this entire board.Much like I've been insulting you in this thread, right? Because I'm sitting here finding ways to thwart your incredible name calling of me, right? Because I get so upset when people say I have big ears, say I look like a monkey or GASP that I know of words with more than 2 syllabls.

Heh.

[cornbread]

Oh and you want to know what really pisses me off about this entire situation? That now all the media trucks will roll onto that campus and cover this event like a national tragedy and proclaim how its so horrific it is while watching the advertiser dollars pour in. Anyone want to lay a bet on just how much of a ratings jump the news networks saw in the past 24 hours?

I worked in tv advertising for years and you're absolutely right. This is the kind of situation where you give your advertisers a phone call and say, "I think it's a good time to move your ad dollars to CNN and Fox News." Where do you think the ad dollars were moved during Katrina? The Weather Channel.

Things got fucked up when somebody realized that news could be a profit center. I don't even watch the news during sweeps months (February, May, August, November) anymore because the stories are so outrageous. The local and cable news channels save their "best" stories for these months and run tons of ads promoting them. It's not about bringing you the news anymore. It's about ratings which equal ad revenue.

Just pay attention next month and you'll see what I mean.

[BacktoBasics]

Much like I've been insulting you in this thread, right? Because I'm sitting here finding ways to thwart your incredible name calling of me, right? Because I get so upset when people say I have big ears, say I look like a monkey or GASP that I know of words with more than 2 syllabls.

Heh. :bang just fucking admit you were wrong and you didn't read everything before opening your mouth and starting shit where there wasn't even a reason to do so. Hard headed fuck.

[MannyIsGod]

:bang just fucking admit you were wrong and you didn't read everything before opening your mouth and starting shit where there wasn't even a reason to do so. Hard headed fuck.I thought all the evidence you posted to prove your assertion was enough proof that I was wrong, no? Do you really need my validation that strongly that you can't walk away from the thread? Damn.

[leemajors]

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

[Holt's Cat]

Hate to interrupt the pissing match but the killer's been identified and apparently had been referred to the university's counseling service for disturbing work in his creative writing class.

Lawsuits commencing in 3...2...1....

[Trainwreck2100]

Hate to interrupt the pissing match but the killer's been identified and apparently had been referred to the university's counseling service for disturbing work in his creative writing class.

Lawsuits commencing in 3...2...1....


I knew he was a fucking emo

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2000/0417p1st9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Larger, readable front page (http://www.collegiatetimes.org.vt.edu/0417-p1.jpg)

[ALVAREZ6]

That is awful. He's not hurt though right? I'll say a special prayer for him when I pray for the others involved.No, he's fine. In fact, he didn't even hear the gunshots, even though he was directly above them. It was around 7 in the morning though, so he was probably asleep after a good night of drinking.

[ALVAREZ6]

I heard that all of these school shootings historically have happened around 4/20, Hitler's birthday. I always thought 4/20 was simply get high day, I just learned that it was Hitler's birthday...

[ALVAREZ6]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Virginia_Tech_Shootings


Va. Tech gunman writings raised concerns
AP - 31 minutes ago
BLACKSBURG, Va. - The gunman suspected of carrying out the Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 people dead was described Tuesday as a sullen loner whose creative writing in English class was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service.


Mother fucker

[LuvBones]

I heard that all of these school shootings historically have happened around 4/20, Hitler's birthday. I always thought 4/20 was simply get high day, I just learned that it was Hitler's birthday...
You just now learned this???

[ALVAREZ6]

You just now learned this???Sadly, yes.

I never made any connection or wasn't aware that 4/20 was also Hitler's birthday. I mean, I have learned of when Hitler's birthday was, but I never really implanted it into my brain. I never bothered to remember.

[Holt's Cat]

Killer was on meds for depression at some point per Chicago Trib.

[Holt's Cat]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,0,1137509.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-shooter18apr18,1,5242052.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

[Holt's Cat]

His only previous contact with the law was a recent speeding ticket for doing 74 mph in a 55-mph zone, federal sources said. But the officials said he once set fire to his dorm room and was taking medication for depression.

[Holt's Cat]

A day after the deadliest gun massacre in modern U.S. history, students, friends and officials were trying to understand how Cho, a 23-year-old senior who was majoring in English, came to kill. It was a hazy picture of a man, whose last note was a rant against rich kids and debauchery, but who also appeared organized enough to secure weapons and stage his rampage.

According to school officials, Cho even had time to post a deadly warning on a school online forum.

"im going to kill people at vtech today," they said he wrote.

The Chicago Tribune reported on its website that Cho left a note in his dorm that included a rambling list of grievances. The note included rants against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

[Trainwreck2100]

rich kids..... debauchery.... was this his first time in college?

[LuvBones]

A day after the deadliest gun massacre in modern U.S. history, students, friends and officials were trying to understand how Cho, a 23-year-old senior who was majoring in English, came to kill. It was a hazy picture of a man, whose last note was a rant against rich kids and debauchery, but who also appeared organized enough to secure weapons and stage his rampage.

According to school officials, Cho even had time to post a deadly warning on a school online forum.

"im going to kill people at vtech today," they said he wrote.

The Chicago Tribune reported on its website that Cho left a note in his dorm that included a rambling list of grievances. The note included rants against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

How sad he planned it, warned people, and still got the outcome he wanted. Tragic. :(

[Pugglekicker_21]

Mydeathspace is crashed

up again.

http://mydeathspace.com/article/2007/04/16/32_people_were_killed_at_Virginia_Tech_University_ on_April_16,_2007


I was shocked when I heard this. Who wouldn't?

I also agree with Angel Luv, this fucker's family shouldn't be hated, just him.

All those signs though,.....

the writing class, the post on the forum...

probaly thought it wouldnt amount to much..

[ShoogarBear]

Apparently some guy who took a playwriting class with the shooter has posted some commentary along with links to his plays, which are supposed to be disturbing (I haven't read them):

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

[TMTTRIO]

I just read those and I don't know why at that point they didn't alert anyone of it. He's pretty much screaming out for some major help in both plays. It's kind of sad how now you can't ever feel safe pretty much anywhere you go. Even now days even the little kids are involved. I remember an incident last year while teaching in a local elementary school where a student ended up bringing a bi-bi gun to school and was thinking about using it. I know it's a different type of gun but it could've still injured a lot of people.

[SPARKY]

the dead (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/20070418_VICTIMS_GRAPHIC.html)

[ShoogarBear]

Is anyone else bugged by ESPN playing this story up? I don't see the connection to sports. It somehow smacks of pandering and, I don't know, insincerity.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Is anyone else bugged by ESPN playing this story up? I don't see the connection to sports. It somehow smacks of pandering and, I don't know, insincerity.

The only connection I can see is this: How many people know of Virginia Tech because of athletics (see first post in this thread)?

But my initial reaction is: Insincerity? ESPN? Nah...

[midgetonadonkey]

Apparently some guy who took a playwriting class with the shooter has posted some commentary along with links to his plays, which are supposed to be disturbing (I haven't read them):

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

I read them. They sucked. I didn't even find them that disturbing. They were just stupid.

[Samr]

I go to St Edwards (Austin) and yesterday the campus was shut down because we had a bomb threat. I was in the cafeteria, 8:00 in the morning, and some guy came in yelling at everyone to get outside. I went back to the dorm to wake up my roommate and let him know what was going on when we were given orders to leave all buildings. Smart, right? Get a bomb threat so everyone go outside.... it was a great idea. Another great idea was when they had everyone on campus evacuate to the soccer field, and in doing so pass directly by the main building, which is where the bomb threat was aimed. Even smarter.

Obviously, it was just a copycat stunt, but it's weird when these things hit closer to home.

[Marklar MM]

Police activity at my school seemed to be increased. There was a police officer strolling around the 3rd floor of the main educational center watching the lower levels and such. I got home and a police officer was making sure doors were locked at the elementary school across the street...something I have never seen them do in 13 years living here.

[Mixability]

Police activity at my school seemed to be increased. There was a police officer strolling around the 3rd floor of the main educational center watching the lower levels and such. I got home and a police officer was making sure doors were locked at the elementary school across the street...something I have never seen them do in 13 years living here.

Nothing like being careful AFTER. All these stories about the shooters previous history makes me sick. I know they can't jump the gun whenever anyone makes a threat but geeez, what do the victims families feel like right now, possibly seeing the massacre could easily have been prevented.

[Holt's Cat]

How about we wait until the bodies are released to their families, let alone buried, before we move into the political posturing over this event? It is sickening to have seen this event turned into a pawn for those with an agenda, be it 'gun control' or 'gun rights'.

[Spurminator]

I don't think we should be investigating everyone who writes morbid material. A lot of kids and college students write some pretty fucked up shit but they don't end up killing people. Many times it's a release.

We have to remember that this is a very very very rare occurrence. That's not going to console the families who lost loved ones, but we can't obsess over lunatic-proofing our society to the point where we become an overzealous police state.

[SAtown]

Now NBC claims that they received a package from the shooter, and the time is undetermined. They say that it could have been received in between the morning dorm shootings and the classroom ones. They contain video and letters from the shooter, sent directly to NBC.

I think they're going to talk about it tonight on NBC Nightly News.

[Marklar MM]

Now NBC claims that they received a package from the shooter, and the time is undetermined. They say that it could have been received in between the morning dorm shootings and the classroom ones. They contain video and letters from the shooter, sent directly to NBC.

I think they're going to talk about it tonight on NBC Nightly News.


Ya. They have been showing it for a while.

[sa_butta]

Crazy fucker, Im surprised noone saw any warnings or red flags prior. This was obviously carefully planned out.