C(censored)'s (censored)

[Nbadan]

the story..

Tech killer was 'obsessed' with girl who had new boyfriend (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1667792.ece)

Her Myspace account...

Myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=19406792)

:hat

[Nbadan]

Dr Bill Knocke, head of the civil engineering faculty whose staff and students were among the dead, said he understood that Cho had gone on Monday morning to the dormitory of a female student, Emily Hilscher, 19, who was not his girlfriend but with whom he may have been infatuated. He confronted her and shot her. He also murdered her mentor and fellow student, Ryan Clark, 22, who tried to intervene.

Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usguns/Story/0,,2059726,00.html)

[Nbadan]

more...


After two people, Emily Jane Hilscher, a freshman, and Ryan Clark, the resident adviser whose room was nearby in the dormitory, were shot dead, the campus police began searching for Karl D. Thornhill, who was described in Internet memorials as Ms. Hilscher’s boyfriend.

According to a search warrant filed by the police, Ms. Hilscher’s roommate had told the police that Mr. Thornhill, a student at nearby Radford University, had guns at his town house. The roommate told the police that she had recently been at a shooting range with Mr. Thornhill, the affidavit said, leading the police to believe he may have been the gunman.

But as they were questioning Mr. Thornhill, reports came in of widespread shooting at Norris Hall, making it clear that they had not contained the threat on campus. Mr. Thornhill was not arrested, although he continues to be an important witness in the case, the police said.

At the time of the dormitory shootings, Col. W. Steven Flaherty, the superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said, “There was certainly no evidence or no reason to think that there was anyone else at that particular point in time.”

Ny times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/us/18virginia.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin)

[Nbadan]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/04/17/crop2.jpg


"The killer behind America's deadliest mass shooting had come to the attention of police as early as 2005, the Guardian learned yesterday. Cho Seung-hui was revealed to be a troubled loner of South Korean descent who left behind a disturbing note of grievances against his university saying: "You caused me to do this."
Police investigating the Virginia Technical College massacre, which left 33 dead, mainly students, blamed Cho, a fourth-year English student who lived on the campus, for earlier incidents ranging from stalking women to setting fire to a dormitory. The police suspect he was also behind persistent recent bomb threats.

Professor Lucinda Roy, a former head of the English department, said Cho had caused alarm in 2005 for taking illicit mobile phone photographs of women from under the desks and writing an essay brimming with rage.

At the time, she emailed Cho expressing her concerns and also contacted campus police, the legal department and counselling services. Cho responded with a long, angry and incoherent email.

Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usguns/Story/0,,2059726,00.html)

Multi, multi-million dollar lawsuits coming...

[Nbadan]

According to the Chicago Tribune, citing college officials, Cho even had time to post a deadly warning on a school online forum. He is reported to have written: "I’m going to kill people at vtech today."


...and...

"Last year Cho shared a campus house with three other students, who were also baffled by his behaviour. He hardly said a word all year, they revealed, but began stalking their female friends and pestering them with messages.

Confronted by his housemates, Cho sent an instant message to them, saying: “I want to kill myself.” They called the authorities and Cho was taken away for a couple of days for counselling. Cho opened up only once, revealing to his housemates during a late-night conversation that he had an imaginary girlfriend, a supermodel. The imaginary couple called each other “Spanky” and “Jelly”.

Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1668735.ece)

[Nbadan]

Talk about screwing up the facts, the M$M has been too busy playing this sad incident up as 'the worst school massacre in U.S. history', but according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster), the actual worse school massacre occured in 1927 when Andrew Kehoe detonated explosives at a school in Bath, Michigan, killing 45 people and injuring 61. (the catholics got the blame that time)

[Nbadan]

http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/images/231523_aaf0f78cd26841cb869e68edf9971e30.jpg

OMG

Biloxi Sun-Herald's editor's response to the complaints he received about putting that photo on his front page:


The photograph of an unidentified victim of the Virginia Tech shooting rampage who is being carried out of Norris Hall Monday by police officers, has raised questions from readers who saw the photo on the front page of Tuesday's Sun Herald. Several have inquired about the condition of the young man. Others have called voicing the concern that a private part of the man's anatomy is shown in the photograph.

Sun Herald editors selected the photograph to be the dominant image on our front page because it showed the gripping drama that occurred on the Virginia Tech campus Monday in its most human terms. We believe the photo represents the best of photojournalism, a moment in time recorded forever of people responding to the event where the evil actions of one man claimed the greatest death toll of any shooting spree in U.S. history. There were many good photographs taken Monday, but in our judgment this was the best. The photo, taken by Alan Kim, a staff photographer from the Roanoke Times and distributed by The Associated Press, has been widely shown by news organizations around the globe, on television and in newspapers and websites.

Our "cutline," the information describing the photograph, was limited, because the circumstances would not allow the photographer to gather information relating to the victim's identification or his condition, given the dynamic moment in which the picture was taken.

In response to reader concerns I called Kathleen Carroll, a Mississippi native who is the Associated Press Executive Editor, to see if she could answer their questions. As of about 1 p.m. EDT Carroll did not know the name of the man in the photo, or his condition.

The AP is seeking to determine this information, and we will post those facts as soon as they are available. As to the matter of the possibility that the man's genitalia has been shown in the photo, Carroll said she did not believe that was the case.

"We looked really closely and don't think it is that. We looked at the photo with the most sophisticated equipment and we don't think it is genitalia. We believe it could be a tourniquet or a piece of clothing." She told me that had the AP thought it was genitalia it would have flagged the photo in a way that would have alerted editors so they could have factored this into their decision to publish the image or not. Carroll characterized the photo as "an enormously important image as it shows the dreadful consequences of the gunman."

:lmao

We agree on the importance of the photo, and we agree the part of the photo that some have taken to be genitalia is not.

- Stan Tiner
- Executive Editor

The offending appendage is hanging down...

:lmao

[DarkReign]

First, wtf are you laughing about?

Second, that isnt his dick.

Youre an idiot sometimes.

[Holt's Cat]

First, wtf are you laughing about?

Second, that isnt his dick.

Youre an idiot sometimes.



:tu

"Sometimes"?

[Yonivore]

Dan, you're whack. Fortunately for us, this is a virtual world but, I worry for those, from this forum, you've met personally...

[Jamtas#2]

http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/images/231523_aaf0f78cd26841cb869e68edf9971e30.jpg

OMG

Biloxi Sun-Herald's editor's response to the complaints he received about putting that photo on his front page:



The offending appendage is hanging down...

:lmao

I have to say that it is disappointing to see you laughing over this.
That is tasteless.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Talk about screwing up the facts, the M$M has been too busy playing this sad incident up as 'the worst school massacre in U.S. history', but according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster), the actual worse school massacre occured in 1927 when Andrew Kehoe detonated explosives at a school in Bath, Michigan, killing 45 people and injuring 61. (the catholics got the blame that time)

Actually, they've been terming it "the worst mass shooting," but don't let little things like that get in the way of your argument.

Kehoe blew his victims up.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/images/231523_aaf0f78cd26841cb869e68edf9971e30.jpg

OMG

Biloxi Sun-Herald's editor's response to the complaints he received about putting that photo on his front page:



The offending appendage is hanging down...

:lmao

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default_archive.asp?fpArchive=041707

Look at how many newspapers ran that same photo.

Also, even if were the guy's cock, isn't the picture more telling of the scene to have the impact?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Actually, they've been terming it "the worst mass shooting," but don't let little things like that get in the way of your argument.

Kehoe blew his victims up.



NBC, MSNBC and news services
Updated: 14 minutes ago

BLACKSBURG, Va. - The gunman blamed for the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history




In the aftermath of the nation's worst mass shooting,

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

The killer behind America's deadliest mass shooting

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

By SHAILA DEWAN and JOHN M. BRODER
Published: April 18, 2007

BLACKSBURG, Va., April 17 — The police identified Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old student, as the killer of 32 people in the shooting rampage at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute,


You know, Dan, I could do this all day... but I think I've proven my point.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default_archive.asp?fpArchive=041707

Look at how many newspapers ran that same photo.

Also, even if were the guy's cock, isn't the picture more telling of the scene to have the impact?

Long Beach Press-Telegram (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr_archive.asp?fpVname=CA_PT&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=1)

Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr_archive.asp?fpVname=CA_DN&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=1)

San Luis Obispo Tribune (close friend of mine is a news reporter here) (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr_archive.asp?fpVname=CA_TT&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=1)

Rocky Mountain News (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr_archive.asp?fpVname=CO_RMN&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=2)

Hartfor Courant (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr_archive.asp?fpVname=CT_HC&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=2)

Washington Times (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr_archive.asp?fpVname=DC_WT&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=2)

All this linking is getting tiring, Dan...do you still have issues with a guy's peener (oh, and BTW, this guy was injured in the worst mass shooting in United States history) being on your front pages enough to get a few laughs at the "M$M's" expense?

[xrayzebra]

I'm sure dan thinks this is come kind of conspiracy.

Who cares what is hanging out. If I remember correctly this
guy saved his own life by putting a tourniquet on his leg to stop
the bleeding.

But you can count on dan to keep us up to date on whatever.

[Holt's Cat]

The victim in that photo managed to keep himself from bleeding to death by fashioning a tourniquet around his leg.

The only dick I see is the one who started this thread.

[Holt's Cat]

If you are interested in more than looking for cock in every news photo you view...

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_5692940

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Thanks, HC.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm always amazed at Dan's propensity to take massive tragedy and exploit it for his own purposes -- political or personal.


The only dick I see is the one who started this thread.

:tu

[johnsmith]

What I'm amazed by is that Dan hasn't posted in this thread since being exposed as a fucking douche bag.

[FromWayDowntown]

What I'm amazed by is that Dan hasn't posted in this thread since being exposed as a fucking douche bag.

That's one thing that doesn't amaze me anymore.

[Nbadan]

What amazes me is that you are the same people who aren't concerned over the death of 100+ thousand civilian Iraqs and over 3100 of our own military personnel. Don't blame the messenger.

[Holt's Cat]

Attempting to change the subject after you make an ass out of yourself. Priceless.

[FromWayDowntown]

What amazes me is that you are the same people who aren't concerned over the death of 100+ thousand civilian Iraqs and over 3100 of our own military personnel. Don't blame the messenger.

Now that's an interesting change of course.

You assume that people aren't concerned about that. I'd like some proof of, for instance, my purported apathy in that regard.

In the meantime, laughing at the notion that some newspaper might have run a picture showing the private parts of an extremely brave kid strikes me as a rather callous choice on your part.

[Nbadan]

Attempting to change the subject after you make an ass out of yourself. Priceless.

Spare me your righteous indignation, Jim. People writing to the editors over such an issue has to be funny, otherwise, it is a very, very sad commentary on our society.

What's more alarming is your propensity of making this into such a big issue. One day at a Virginia tech campus is like most days in Iraq, where is your moral outrage Jim? Why aren't you posting it in this forum?

[Holt's Cat]

I saw no humor in Monday's mass murder at Virginia Tech.

[johnsmith]

Spare me your righteous indignation, Jim. People writing to the editors over such an issue has to be funny, otherwise, it is a very, very sad commentary on our society.

What's more alarming is your propensity of making this into such a big issue. One day at a Virginia tech campus is like most days in Iraq, where is your moral outrage Jim? Why aren't you posting it in this forum?

Face it chief, you've proved yourself to be an asshole.


Everyone agrees that the number 1 asshole in this thread is you.

Deal with it.

[Nbadan]

Face it chief, you've proved yourself to be an asshole.


Everyone agrees that the number 1 asshole in this thread is you.

Deal with it.

Another Republican poll?

[Nbadan]

I saw no humor in Monday's mass murder at Virginia Tech.

I see no humor in a administrations wreckless policies that could force your son or daughter, cousin, uncle, father, mom or friend into a endless war.

[Nbadan]

I saw no humor in Monday's mass murder at Virginia Tech.

I see no humor in Abu Gharib, Gitmo, extraordinary rendition and torture.

I see no humor in water-boarding.

[Holt's Cat]

The hole you've dug for yourself is already quite deep. Continue on if you so desire, but there's no way out.

[Yonivore]

I see no humor in Abu Gharib, Gitmo, extraordinary rendition and torture.

I see no humor in water-boarding.
Nor should anyone else...yet, you find humor in the indignity of a college-aged shooting victim.

Nice going there, Dan.

[Nbadan]

Oh look, the forum voice of reason graces us with his presence.

[Nbadan]

The hole you've dug for yourself is already quite deep. Continue on if you so desire, but there's no way out.

:rolleyes

[FromWayDowntown]

Oh look, the forum voice of reason graces us with his presence.

He's right.

[Holt's Cat]

It's also great that the thread title refers to one of the dead as a "ho."

[Jamtas#2]

I see no humor in Abu Gharib, Gitmo, extraordinary rendition and torture.

I see no humor in water-boarding.


I see no one making posts laughing at those . I do see you changing the subject to justify a tasteless joke. If there are posts making fun of those instances that I'm unaware of, do two wrongs make a right in your mind?

[Nbadan]

I see no one making posts laughing at those . I do see you changing the subject to justify a tasteless joke. If there are posts making fun of those instances that I'm unaware of, do two wrongs make a right in your mind?

If you can't except the truth then all I can say is that I have been hated by far better for posting far worse. Get in line.

[Jamtas#2]

and what "truth" am I not accepting by pointing out that your actions were insensitive?

[Nbadan]

and what "truth" am I not accepting by pointing out that your actions were insensitive?

Yeah right, Calling a team of African american women nappy-headed ho's is insensitive. Reacting because people wrote the editors of a newspaper cause they thought some guy had a 12" flacid penis hanging between his legs on the front page is classic.

[Nbadan]

back on topic...


Sometime after he killed two people in a Virginia university dormitory but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a rambling communication and videos about his grievances, the network said Wednesday.

Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, killed 32 people in two attacks Monday before taking his own life.

Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents beyond characterizing the material as “disturbing.” It included a written communication, photographs and video.

Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of “NBC Nightly News,” said in a posting on the program’s “Daily Nightly” blog that the communication was received earlier Wednesday. He described it as a very long “multimedia manifesto.”

MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/from/ET)

[Yonivore]

If you can't except the truth then all I can say is that I have been hated by far better for posting far worse. Get in line.
Hey Dan, hate to break it to you...but, there's no line.

Nobody cares.

[FromWayDowntown]

Yeah right, Calling a team of African american women nappy-headed ho's is insensitive. Reacting because people wrote the editors of a newspaper cause they thought some guy had a 12" flacid penis hanging between his legs on the front page is classic.

"Some guy" who is being carried out of a building, bloodied after having been shot by a madman -- "some guy" who is extraordinarily fortunate to be alive at all.

Yeah, that's pretty freakin' hilarious.

[Nbadan]

"Some guy" who is being carried out of a building, bloodied after having been shot by a madman -- "some guy" who is extraordinarily fortunate to be alive at all.

Yeah, that's pretty freakin' hilarious.

Looking back, I'm sure even 'some guy' would think so. At the very least he shouldn't have trouble finding dates.

[Holt's Cat]

back on topic...



Wasn't the topic "Cho's Ho"? Of course, it turns out she had no relationship with the gunman.

[Nbadan]

Wasn't the topic "Cho's Ho"? Of course, it turns out she had no relationship with the gunman.

no, the topic was Cho's nappyhead.

[Yonivore]

no, the topic was Cho's nappyhead.
You know that's not one word, right?

[Holt's Cat]

So not only is the subject offensive, it's patently incorrect. Kinda like the thread originator, I suppose.

[FromWayDowntown]

Looking back, I'm sure even 'some guy' would think so. At the very least he shouldn't have trouble finding dates.

Well, I can say this: I'm relieved to know conclusively that I don't operate with the same moral and ethical compass that you use.

Likewise, it's good to know that I don't share your ability to derive laughs in the immediate aftermath of such significant tragedy.

[Nbadan]

Well, I can say this: I'm relieved to know conclusively that I don't operate with the same moral and ethical compass that you use.

Likewise, it's good to know that I don't share your ability to derive laughs in the immediate aftermath of such significant tragedy.

It's likewise good to know that innocent people die everday in Iraq because of our needless war of aggression and you have trained yourself to become so morally focused that those deaths mean much, much less than the deaths of a few kids at VT.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's likewise good to know that innocent people die everday in Iraq because of our needless war of aggression and you have trained yourself to become so morally focused that those deaths mean much, much less than the deaths of a few kids at VT.

Nice assumption on your part. Show me once where I've ever said anything remotely resembling that sentiment.

The loss of innocent life anywhere, at any time, doesn't strike me as a matter lending itself to guffaws and finding "classic" humor. You, however, are apparently able to find humor in those situations. Props to you, I guess.

[Jamtas#2]

Yeah right, Calling a team of African american women nappy-headed ho's is insensitive. Reacting because people wrote the editors of a newspaper cause they thought some guy had a 12" flacid penis hanging between his legs on the front page is classic.

Ok, our senses of humor are different. Timing is an important aspect in comedy.
In my opinion, both remarks are insensitive.

[Jamtas#2]

It's likewise good to know that innocent people die everday in Iraq because of our needless war of aggression and you have trained yourself to become so morally focused that those deaths mean much, much less than the deaths of a few kids at VT.

Seriously, the most respectable thing to do right now is admit that it is not an appropriate time to have made the joke and move on. I'm not one of your die-hard republican opponents who bashes everything you say, so don't assume that I am making a personal attack on you. But you are making fantastic leaps in defending your "joke". I don't assume that Iraq war deaths are meaningless, my brother spent the past 5 years over there, I'm well aware of what goes on in that country and the importance of the lost lives.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Actually, they've been terming it "the worst mass shooting," but don't let little things like that get in the way of your argument.

Kehoe blew his victims up.

Care to respond to this, Dan?

[boutons_]

170 Iraqis (5 x VT dead) blown up today as direct result of dubya/dickhead's bullshit war, why aren't Americans holding candlelight vigils and 24x7 cable talking heads for Iraqis?

20K blacks get murdered by handguns every year in the states, why aren't the Virginia crackas holding vigils for them?

VTech is just more good ol' murderous, gun-happy, blood-saturated America! yawn
What's all the crying about?

It's only April, America's got 30K more murders to commit this year.

It's The Great American Lifestyle.

[Holt's Cat]

170 Iraqis (5 x VT dead) blown up today as direct result of dubya/dickhead's bullshit war, why aren't Americans holding candlelight vigils and 24x7 cable talking heads for Iraqis?

20K blacks get murdered by handguns every year in the states, why aren't the Virginia crackas holding vigils for them?

VTech is just more good ol' murderous, gun-happy, blood-saturated America! yawn
What's all the crying about?

It's only April, America's got 30K more murders to commit this year.

It's The Great American Lifestyle.


And then there was boutons.

[ChumpDumper]

For the record, this thread is the kind of thing I would have locked or deleted just so I wouldn't have to look at it anymore.

If there is politics involved with this topic somehow, I haven't seen it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What I'm amazed by is that Dan hasn't posted in this thread since being exposed as a fucking douche bag.

Par for the course for the biggest vagina on the forum.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's likewise good to know that innocent people die everday in Iraq because of our needless war of aggression and you have trained yourself to become so morally focused that those deaths mean much, much less than the deaths of a few kids at VT.

It's likewise good to know that you are so hellbent on trashing Bush that you'll pull anything, including this incident, into the conversation to prove that you somehow have a point.

The funny thing is every time you post you just bear out to be an even bigger asshole than before.

[boutons_]

dubya is the one hellbent for .... hell.

dubya, dickhead are fully deserving of being trashed relentlessly, without pity.

They've fucked up huge, they're gonna pay.

[smeagol]

boutons and dan:

This thread has nothing to do with Iraq and Bush. It has all to do with tasteless humor and dan making up shit as he goes along.

[DarkReign]

What the fuck does VTech have to do with Iraq or Bush?

Nothing. Nada.

We know who supports/protests the Iraq situation...there is no mystery on which side most fall on here at ST.

But that isnt the fucking point. The point is VTech has ZERO, NADA, NOTHING to do with Iraq, Bush, WMDs, civilian casualties, IEDs, Rummy, Cheney, Monica Lewinski, perjury, the Patriot Act, blowjobs, White Water, draft dodging, swift-boating, et all.

The fact that you would correlate VTech and Iraq/Bush to somehow prove whatever politically motivated weak-ass argument you have this week is distasteful. Leave the other shit out of it.

If this thread were deleted, the only person crying is the guy making dick jokes and the one person who laughed with him.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Care to respond to this, Dan?

Anything, Dan?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Anything, Dan?

"Oh, Danny Boy...your crackpipe, your crackpipe is caw-ling..."

[sabar]

The tragedy isn't funny in the least, but the complete destruction of Dan's post is.

[Nbadan]

You guys wanna be mad at someone then go ahead and be mad at me. My point on bringing up Iraq is that we are the Cho in Iraq, and everyday we are killing equal to or more civilian victims just by staying there, than Cho ever did, but I don't see you wingnuts in here spewing your righteous indignation about that? And Yes, many of you have made jokes about it. Boutons and I care about what a mess this administration is making to the moral fiber of this country. We're not about torture, we're not about killing civilians and then paying off the families, and we're certainly not about wars of aggression.

[Nbadan]

It's likewise good to know that you are so hellbent on trashing Bush that you'll pull anything, including this incident, into the conversation to prove that you somehow have a point.

The funny thing is every time you post you just bear out to be an even bigger asshole than before.

This isn't just about trashing Bush anymore, but also about trashing the millions of you assholes who put this putz in office.

[Nbadan]

Care to respond to this, Dan?

Ever heard of edited by-lines. dumbass.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Ever heard of edited by-lines. dumbass.

by·line /ˈbaɪˌlaɪn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -lined, -lin·ing. Journalism.
–noun

[b]1. a printed line accompanying a news story, article, or the like, giving the author's name.

Dumbass.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And since you so eloquently fucked up your response to me, the question is still on the table.

All these MSM's you rant and rave against aren't (and haven't been, even with your links at the time you linked them) calling it the "worst school massacre," they've been calling it the "worst school shooting."

Care to respond, Dan...and you know, maybe try sticking to the subject this time instead of asking me random journalism questions.

[Nbadan]

And since you so eloquently fucked up your response to me, the question is still on the table.

All these MSM's you rant and rave against aren't (and haven't been, even with your links at the time you linked them) calling it the "worst school massacre," they've been calling it the "worst school shooting."

Care to respond, Dan...and you know, maybe try sticking to the subject this time instead of asking me random journalism questions.

I really don't have time to respond to your childish rants. Online news and even TV news always edit their stories. Or, there were bombs on Sept 11th and more than one bomb in Oklahoma. So which is it gonna be Johnny? You can't have it both ways.

[xrayzebra]

This isn't just about trashing Bush anymore, but also about trashing the millions of you assholes who put this putz in office.

And idiots like you that would put this country down the
drain to prove a point. Like your idol Harry Reid and
John Murtha. You like them are a loser.

I guess you support the inventor of the inter-net and
global warming, Mr. Gore. and the wounded war veteran,
who threw someones medals, over the WH fence.

I'm sure you and boutons will have a good time at
the local Mosque. You will no doubt be the first in line
to get in, since you are such brave souls.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I really don't have time to respond to your childish rants.

Pot, meet kettle...

You do realize that in the link with the "offending" photo, even they state it was a shooting, right?

And even if you don't think so, I think the news value judgment questions about said photograph is a valid question.

Just because you don't want to answer it doesn't mean you haven't shot yourself in the foot.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And I'm trying to stick to one subject here while continue to lob straw man after straw man on the fire hoping things warm up.

You started the thread, Danny Boy, now finish it. Answer the simple questions posed before you.

[Поповић]

Nbadan is a real super internets hero. lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Nbadan is a real super internets hero. lol

At least we can agree on something.

[FromWayDowntown]

I can't answer your question without royally humiliating myself, so I'll offer a holier-than-thou non sequitur and lambaste everyone who has posted in this thread for not reducing his or her every political thought to writing in this forum because I get some perverse satisfaction in convincing myself that I'm smarter than and morally superior to a bunch of people whose backgrounds I don't really know and about whom I've formulated opinions at arms length.

Fixed.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Fixed.

I simply must purchase a pint of your drink of choice for you one of these days.

[Nbadan]

You do realize that in the link with the "offending" photo, even they state it was a shooting, right?


What are you smoking Johnny? My post wasn't about the VT shooting and you know it, it was about the readers who complained to the editors of a newspaper about a guy's penis sticking out of his shorts as they carried him away even though anyone it their right mind would know it wasn't a penis. Talk about streching the truth to promote a agenda.

:rolleyes

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

What are you smoking Johnny? My post wasn't about the VT shooting and you know it, it was about the readers who complained to the editors of a newspaper about a guy's penis sticking out of his shorts as they carried him away even though anyone it their right mind would know it wasn't a penis. Talk about streching the truth to promote a agenda.

:rolleyes

Actually, I'm pointing out that the bad, bad MSM mentioned the "shooting" in your own post, which was posted before you brought out the Kehoe incident and chuckled at the ineptness of the media.

[Nbadan]

Nbadan is a real super internets hero. lol

- 4 out 5 of your dead slovanian sniper friends agree.

[Nbadan]

Actually, I'm pointing out that the bad, bad MSM mentioned the "shooting" in your own post, which was posted before you brought out the Kehoe incident and chuckled at the ineptness of the media.

Oh, your defending the M$M... :lmao


...good luck with that Johnny.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Oh, your defending the M$M... :lmao


...good luck with that Johnny.

Am I wrong?

Did they say the "worst school massacre" or did they say the "worst school shooting"?

[Nbadan]

A Shared Horror: Texans know the special grief Virginia Tech families feel
04:34 PM CDT on Monday, April 16, 2007


Imagine the horror. You’re a college kid who’s gotten up on a normal Monday morning, walked to class and sat down in your desk. Suddenly, pop, pop, pop. Your pals next to you fall to the ground, dead from an intruder’s bullets.


More than 30 murdered. Dozens more wounded.

Sadly, tragically, unfathomably, not since Charles Whitman took to the University of Texas tower 41 years ago, has an assassin reined so much horror on a college campus as a gunman did Monday. An eerie darkness fell over Austin and all of Texas on a sunny August 1, 1966 - a feeling akin to the Kennedy assassination in terms of shock, horror and disgrace

Linky (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/stories/041707dnedivatech.16a06251.html)

30 dead, many more than the gunman wounded Johnny.

[Nbadan]

Do you really want to start a tasteless poll about which school shooting was worse Johnny? Bet I'd win.

[Nbadan]

Fixed.


Ok, but..

the biggest non-sequitor in this thread was by Johnny Blaze.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

A Shared Horror: Texans know the special grief Virginia Tech families feel
04:34 PM CDT on Monday, April 16, 2007



Linky (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/stories/041707dnedivatech.16a06251.html)

30 dead, many more than the gunman wounded Johnny.


Talk about screwing up the facts, the M$M has been too busy playing this sad incident up as 'the worst school massacre in U.S. history', but according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster), the actual worse school massacre occured in 1927 when Andrew Kehoe detonated explosives at a school in Bath, Michigan, killing 45 people and injuring 61. (the catholics got the blame that time)

I would ask if you really want to get into an argument over the word "massacre" and "shooting," but you brought it up already.

You said (posted above) that the M$M (how cute) screwed up the facts. I said you were incorrect because they haven't been calling it the "worst school massacre," they've been calling it the "worst school shooting."

You can't be this dense, Dan, to miss the words and their meanings and admit that you've made a mistake when the evidence (hell, stuff you posted) shows differently.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

How is it a non-sequitur, Dan? You brought it up with trying to make the media look like they don't know their facts?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Dan, did the media refer to VT as the "worst school massacre" or the "worst school shooting"?

There, one simple question. Can you answer it?

[smeagol]

Give it up, JB. For Dan's world to work, the media has to be evil, controlled by the right, always willing to go along with conspiracies.

Many of his conclusions are partially based this kind of concept of the media. And he will lie about it. He will lie you into submission until you say "Fuck it! I give up!".

That is his modus operandi.

[FromWayDowntown]

Ok, but..

the biggest non-sequitor in this thread was by Johnny Blaze.

How is that? You're the one who dedicated a post in this thread to lambasting the "MSM" for a perceived misstatement.

Johnny Blaze called you on your facts and you refused to answer his very direct and clearly relevant question, given the fact that you assailed the media.

I am, however, glad to see you readily acknowledge your own non-sequitur.

[johnsmith]

It's funny because everytime Dan posts, it comes off dumber and dumber.

Boutons isn't even sticking up for him anymore.

Good stuff.

[Nbadan]

You said (posted above) that the M$M (how cute) screwed up the facts. I said you were incorrect because they haven't been calling it the "worst school massacre," they've been calling it the "worst school shooting."

You can't be this dense, Dan, to miss the words and their meanings and admit that you've made a mistake when the evidence (hell, stuff you posted) shows differently.


..and I've already told you that online news sources regularly update their stories to correct incorrect facts, like whether this was truely the worst U.S. school massacre - it's not, or even whether this is the worst school shooting - again, it's likely not.

Either way, their wrong.

[Nbadan]

How is it a non-sequitur, Dan? You brought it up with trying to make the media look like they don't know their facts?

They don't always know the facts, or at least, rarely bother to get them right. Take the recent smear story about Diane Feinstein for instance (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63221), many online news sources ran with this story even though it's perfectly legal and ethical to have a spouse or family member have investment holdings in a company that contracts with the United States government.

There wasn't ever a conflict of interest because Mr. Blum didn't and never has owned any defense contracting businesses. Richard Blum is a investment analyst, founder and senior partner of Blum Capital who once had investment holdings in two different defense contracting firms, Perini Corp. and URS. He divested himself of those holdings in 2005. The Committee and the Senate were both aware of Richard Blum's investment holdings because Diane Feinstein disclosed them to the Senate to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest when she was assigned to work on that committee years ago.

And to make things even a little less ethical, Metroactive is a right wing blog in Santa Cruz CA with ties to the Republican National Committee, but whoever started this smear campaign only had to get out in the media before online source after online source ran with the same story, almost word for word, and magically, the illusions of some wing-nut are transformed into reality by your M$M. All you have to do is repeat it enough times.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

..and I've already told you that online news sources regularly update their stories to correct incorrect facts, like whether this was truely the worst U.S. school massacre - it's not, or even whether this is the worst school shooting - again, it's likely not.

Either way, their wrong.

Which American school shooting had more people killed than Monday's??

[Nbadan]

..any way the worst part of all this is the M$M does this all the time and we're either to busy or to dumb to do anything about it. Then, to make things even worse, instead of issueing a retraction in as large a captions as they reported the original story, most of the time they just let the story just fade away.

What additional bombs at Oklahoma City?
What missile in Maine?
What bombs going off in the WTC?
Muhammed Atta had a girlfriend and his friends bragged to her and her friends that they were gonna blow up the WTC? Says who? Certainly not the M$M, those stories just don't exist anymore, or if they do, they must be conspiracy theories, yeah, that's it...

...reality is us.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

They don't always know the facts, or at least, rarely bother to get them right. Take the recent smear story about Diane Feinstein for instance (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63221), many online news sources ran with this story even though it's perfectly legal and ethical to have a spouse or family member have investment holdings in a company that contracts with the United States government.

There wasn't ever a conflict of interest because Mr. Blum didn't and never has owned any defense contracting businesses. Richard Blum is a investment analyst, founder and senior partner of Blum Capital who once had investment holdings in two different defense contracting firms, Perini Corp. and URS. He divested himself of those holdings in 2005. The Committee and the Senate were both aware of Richard Blum's investment holdings because Diane Feinstein disclosed them to the Senate to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest when she was assigned to work on that committee years ago.

And to make things even a little less ethical, Metroactive is a right wing blog in Santa Cruz CA with ties to the Republican National Committee, but whoever started this smear campaign only had to get out in the media before online source after online source ran with the same story, almost word for word, and magically, the illusions of some wing-nut are transformed into reality by your M$M. All you have to do is repeat it enough times.

Talk about your non-sequiturs.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'm done here.

Dan made a claim on one part of one subject, his claim has been refuted via his own evidence and yet finds some way to accuse me of throwing non-sequiturs into a thread where he has since brought up Dianne Feinstein.

Just like cops, sometimes we just want the confession even when we have all the evidence. Dan's a tough nut to crack.

[Nbadan]

Which American school shooting had more people killed than Monday's??

Nice reframe of the question Johnny, but seriously, I think 4 out of 5 Texans would agree with me that the Whitman massacre was worse than the VT incident.

[Nbadan]

..and I know Whitman only killed 16, or 17, depending on where you get your stats, but the victims in VT were yankees. The victims Whitman killed were Texans, and the closer the victims are in vicinity to Holt's cat and FWDT, the more they matter.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

So what you want is for the media to form opinions in their reporting?

[FromWayDowntown]

..and I know Whitman only killed 16, or 17, depending on where you get your stats, but the victims in VT were yankees. The victims Whitman killed were Texans, and the closer the victims are in vicinity to Holt's cat and FWDT, the more they matter.

Ah! The implied ad hominem non-sequitur. Still another interesting rhetorical twist from Knowitalldan.

[johnsmith]

Nice reframe of the question Johnny, but seriously, I think 4 out of 5 Texans would agree with me that the Whitman massacre was worse than the VT incident.


Seriously, you're a fucking idiot.

[FromWayDowntown]

Nice reframe of the question Johnny, but seriously, I think 4 out of 5 Texans would agree with me that the Whitman massacre was worse than the VT incident.

You're the one who framed the question, dan. You asked why the media couldn't get it right that this was the largest school shooting and lambasted them for calling it the largest school massacre:


Talk about screwing up the facts, the M$M has been too busy playing this sad incident up as 'the worst school massacre in U.S. history', but according to Wikipedia, the actual worse school massacre occured in 1927 when Andrew Kehoe detonated explosives at a school in Bath, Michigan, killing 45 people and injuring 61. (the catholics got the blame that time)

You called them -- interestingly, without quoting a source -- for mischaracterizing the Virginia Tech tragedy. Johnny proved to you that you were wrong, citing source after source that made the precise distinction that you claimed they hadn't made. I realize that this is all part of your effort to keep grinding the 9/11 axe about bombs, since ChumpDumper and others have done a remarkable job of debunking the mythology that you're trying to spread on that subject. I can see that you think that there must be some clear line between the reporting that took place after the Murrah Building explosion, 9/11, and the Virginia Tech tragedy and that the media is to blame for, in your own mind, hiding the truth about the former. I'll admit that I've yet to see how the latter fits into your effort here.

In any event, this is a fight that you picked. And now it's one that you've lost. Conclusively. I realize that you'll never admit to that. But everyone else who has viewed this thread and bothered to post has acknowledged that you're wrong.

As for trying to compare the Whitman incident with what took place at VT on Monday, I don't really think you're winning that one either. I don't sit around trying to rank the tragedies that take place around me. The loss of innocent life anywhere is a tragedy to me and whether it's one person or 17 or 33 or 3,000. I'm not sure why you're so hellbent on suggesting that I might think differently than that. Again, that I don't bother to post my every single thought on such subjects in this website's political forum doesn't mean that I'm somehow callous to the tragedies that occur in other parts of the world. Unlike you, I don't see fit to reduce my every thought on subjects of a political nature to writing.

I'm in this thread only because I was appalled by how almost gleeful you seemed in criticizing the media in the first 24 hours or so after this particular tragedy occurred. It was decidedly unseemly.

[Nbadan]

A quick look back...


You called them -- interestingly, without quoting a source -- for mischaracterizing the Virginia Tech tragedy. Johnny proved to you that you were wrong....blah..blah....blah...


In reality, Johnny isBlazed and FWDT got it wrong (and consequently got their panties in a wad over nothing)...

'the worst school massacre in U.S. history' Did the media really report it?

May 2, 2007
Historical Amnesia
Worst U.S. Massacre?
By CARLA BLANK


The mass media coverage of how 32 students and faculty members were fatally shot and at least 15 injured on the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, Va., is punctuated by phrases such as, "the worst massacre in U.S. history," or, as the New York Times put it, the "Worst U.S. Gun Rampage." CNN called it the "Deadliest Shooting Rampage in U.S. history."

This was followed by San Francisco Bay Area's FOX affiliate KTVU Channel 2's claim that it was "the worst massacre ever in the United States."TV commentary did not qualify these claims, and at least one Virginia Tech student, an Asian American himself, echoed the phrase when interviewed on national television, pondering his presence at the "worst massacre in U.S. history." In reality, an accurate investigation of mass killings of this magnitude would quickly reveal that the Virginia Tech massacre, as horrendous as it was, was not the worst massacre to occur on U.S. soil.

San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.counterpunch.org/blank05022007.html)


Apologies accepted.

:hat

[ChumpDumper]

It was pretty bad.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

People will do anything possible to point out a possible dick in photographs. It's like when A&M beat UT, and there was a photo of Daniel "Boobie" Gibson jumping to block Acie Law IV's game winning shot; his white leggings were showing and everyone thought Gibson's white dick was showing and got offended.

[smeagol]

Dan you have proven shit.

Actually, re-rerading this thread only proves what a lame fucking idiot you are.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol