NBC disgusts me...

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't WANT to "understand" Cho. The only people that might want to understand Chow would be the copycat sickos that want to be famous too.

Fuck NBC.

[nkdlunch]

I don't know why ppl get mad at that. He was clearly a complete lunatic. if you get mad at that video, you are doing exaclty what that lunatic wanted.

[Phil Hellmuth]

solution: turn off tv.

[greywheel]

CBS had an FBI profiler on this morning. When asked if he thought NBC did the right thing by airing the video, he said "in a perfect world, no." He stated how the video was aimed at hurting the victims again. But if NBC had not aired it, either a leak or lawsuits would have eventually allowed the video to be aired. In his opinion, by airing it quickly, NBC is going to allow the victims to get passed it quicker.

[FromWayDowntown]

I found there to be some irony in the media asking, after the release of the manifesto, about the wisdom of broadcasting it. I find that ironic because, had NBC chosen to sit on it and not broadcast it, those questioning the wisdom of the broadcast would likely be screaming about having been denied access to the images.

The killer has undoubtedly accomplished the goal that he intended. And I'll join the fear that copycats are nearly inevitable.

[smeagol]

Fox kept showing the pictures and video non stop.

That is why they are called "media".

Their goal is ratings. Ratings=money.

That is the way capitalism works.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Reaction:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/18/AR2007041802791.html

Network Says It Debated for Hours Whether to Air Shooter's Images

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 19, 2007; A09

The unexpected package from Cho Seung Hui that arrived at NBC News yesterday morning contained both a worldwide scoop and a journalistic dilemma.

After turning over the original documents to federal authorities, NBC News President Steve Capus said last night, he faced a "tough call" in deciding how much to air, if any, of the Virginia Tech gunman's expletive-filled video and 1,800-word letter, along with photos of Cho and his guns and bullets.

"We tried to be sensitive to the families involved and to the investigation," Capus said in an interview. While it is "possible" that some relatives of the 32 students shot to death Monday may say that the network is giving the killer the platform he wanted, "they also may say, 'We want to know why. We need to know what was in his head, what drove him to do this.' This is a portrait of a killer."

Capus said Virginia State Police officials, in a conversation about noon, asked NBC to "hold off" on releasing the material until they had a chance to review the material. The state authorities gave NBC the green light about 4:30, saying it would not jeopardize the probe. The network aired portions of the video and note on "NBC Nightly News" at 6:30.

Anchor Brian Williams told viewers: "We are sensitive to how all of this will be seen by those affected, and we know we are, in effect, airing the words of a murderer here tonight. . . . So much of it is so profane, so downright gross and incomprehensible. We tried to edit carefully for broadcast tonight." The segment was posted on http://msnbc.com.

Former FBI agent Clint Van Zandt told Williams that the mailing was Cho's "ultimate victory. This is the way he's victimizing, further victimizing all of us, by reaching out from the grave and grabbing us and getting our attention and making us listen to his last rambling words and pictures."

Of course, no one forced NBC to broadcast those words and pictures. Capus said network journalists debated for hours what they should make public. "There are some things we haven't shown and words we haven't released that are more appropriate to hold back," he said. "Journalists have a responsibility. We're not just here to pass on in direct form raw video and complete documents."

The Washington Post and New York Times drew both praise and criticism in 1995 after publishing, at the request of federal authorities, a 35,000-word manifesto by the serial killer known as the Unabomber. In this case, with Cho dead by his own hand, critics were questioning last night whether NBC's decision to show the pictures and video might embolden other would-be murderers to seek such notoriety.

Nate Calhoun, a Blacksburg High School senior who lost a close friend in the massacre, came to the campus last night to pay respects to the victims. He blasted the network. "NBC really ticked my last nerves," he said. "The way this university is already struggling with pain, I object to them putting these pictures out like that. It's just not fair."

Kerry Redican, president of the Virginia Tech Faculty Senate, said he was not surprised by what he saw in the video. "This is a cold, calculating sociopath," he said. "He must have had a narcissistic core to him."

Redican said he approved of the NBC decision to air the material: "People are trying to make some sense of this. This showed the whole thing was really planned out."

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http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-nbc19apr19,1,3830201,full.story?coll=la-news-a_section&ctrack=1&cset=true

Gunman handed NBC an exclusive and a quandary
Critics say the network is glorifying the Virginia Tech shooter.
By Matea Gold
Times Staff Writer

April 19, 2007

NEW YORK — The oversized U.S. Postal Service envelope was addressed simply to "NBC," and might have been overlooked in the jumble of mail flooding into the television network's Rockefeller Center headquarters Wednesday if a sharp-eyed mail carrier hadn't noticed the return address: "Blacksburg, Va." The sender: "Ishmael."

Those clues were enough to alarm the Postal Service employee, who flagged the mailroom when he dropped it off about 11 a.m. NBC security officials were immediately called to examine the package.

Inside, they found a lengthy document featuring more than 40 photos of Seung-hui Cho with handguns and other weapons, accompanied by a rambling, 1,800-word, profanity-laced diatribe. A separate DVD contained two dozen Quicktime videos of the Virginia Tech senior raging about the wealthy and insisting that he was pushed to violence.

"You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option," Cho said in one of the videos in which he compared himself to Jesus and the two teenage killers at Columbine High School.

The "multimedia manifesto," as it was dubbed by network anchor Brian Williams, offered the first extensive window on the gunman responsible for the worst school shooting in U.S. history — and handed NBC a major exclusive on a story that has dominated the news all week.

The unforeseen bonanza of information forced the network to juggle its urge to be first with the legal and ethical implications of broadcasting the materials. Could airing the materials compromise the investigation or glorify Cho's actions?

"This is very difficult," said Steve Capus, president of the news division. "We're all looking for unique angles. You just hope all of your training as journalists and as good citizens comes to bear."

Capus said the network immediately notified law enforcement officials about the package and delayed reporting about it until investigators announced its existence.

Only then, after extensive internal deliberations with Williams, standards officials and other news executives, did he decide to air excerpts of Cho's rantings, first broadcast on "NBC Nightly News" on Wednesday evening.

"Everybody wanted to know, 'Why did he do this, why carry out such a hateful act,' " Capus said. "I think this is as close as we will ever come to understanding, and for that reason we needed to release some of this."

But NBC's decision triggered an angry backlash from viewers. Within a few hours, MSNBC.com message boards filled with postings denouncing the decision, many angrily accusing the network of exploiting the materials and potentially inspiring copycats. Some vowed never to watch again.

NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said the network "gave careful consideration to what we would air, and have only shown a small fraction of what we received."

She added that news executives decided Wednesday night to limit the use of the video to no more than 10% of airtime, or no more than six minutes per hour on MSNBC.

Capus learned of the package about noon, when an NBC security official pulled him out of an editorial meeting and told him, "I've got something you need to see."

The security department handed him a copy of the materials (they said they had duplicated the documents and DVD to keep from compromising the originals), and when Capus began examining them, "It just took my breath away. I couldn't quite believe it."

The package had been postmarked at 9:01 a.m. EDT Monday, shortly before Cho gunned down 30 people in Norris Hall. It was sent through overnight mail, but because it had the wrong ZIP Code it did not arrive until Wednesday morning.

Capus immediately called Pete Williams, NBC's Justice Department correspondent, who was in Washington covering the Supreme Court's decision to uphold a ban limiting abortions. They quickly decided he should hand that story off to another reporter and come to New York. Williams reached out to his contacts at the FBI, who in turn alerted the Virginia State Police.

Local FBI agents arrived at Rockefeller Center soon afterward to pick up the original documents, while Capus spent most of the afternoon in discussions with Virginia police officials, who initially asked him to delay reporting on the package until they had a chance to examine the materials.

"I thought that was a reasonable request," the news president said.

Shortly after 4 p.m. EDT, Col. Steven Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, broke the news about the package at a news conference in Virginia, praising NBC for handling the situation "with dignity."

About the same time, MSNBC, NBC's cable channel, began touting the existence of materials, with anchors repeatedly noting their network's role in the story.

They reminded viewers that NBC would broadcast excerpts on the evening news and, minutes before, MSNBC.com showed the first image of the gun-toting student.

Still, some raised questions.

"Is this ethical?" MSNBC's Tucker Carlson asked former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt.

The MSNBC analyst said that although he was contributing to the network's reporting on the materials, he nevertheless felt uncomfortable with the decision to put Cho's diatribes on air.

"This is what this guy wants," Van Zandt said. "He wants to be able to reach his hand out of the grave and grab us by the throat and make us listen to him one more time."

On "NBC Nightly News," Williams assured viewers, "We are sensitive to how all of this will be seen by those affected."

He later added, "We're working with law enforcement on some of this because we don't want to create any more heroes or martyrs from this."

Before signing off, Williams noted that NBC would air more of the materials Thursday morning on "Today."

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/19/MNGADPBFF41.DTL

VIRGINIA TECH MASSACRE
FUTURE: Has NBC ushered in a new era for multimedia?

Tim Goodman, Chronicle Television Critic

Thursday, April 19, 2007

The deadly shooting rampage at Virginia Tech took a strange twist Wednesday afternoon when law enforcement officials said "a critical component of this investigation" had surfaced -- a package sent by Cho Seung-Hui to NBC News containing videos, still photos and a rambling multipage letter. NBC News turned the contents over to the FBI but aired portions of videos and the letters on "NBC Nightly News With Brian Williams" Wednesday night.

So now NBC and MSBNC and MSNBC.com find themselves in the middle of one of the hottest stories of the year. And that fact certainly raises a lot of ethical questions. As Tucker Carlson said on MSNBC Wednesday: "It's a little bit like pornography. Should we air it?" Of course, the decision to air it was already made by then, because NBC had been hyping it throughout the afternoon. No doubt NBC and MSNBC will get quite a spike in the ratings.

It is odd that NBC initially decided to sit on what is essentially a breaking news story until Brian Williams and the "Nightly News" could unveil it (at least for the West Coast audience). After the segment aired on the East Coast, it was released by NBC and began showing up on the other cable news channels, but with the boldfaced NBC News stamp on it, of course. And while Bay Area TV viewers had to wait until the 5:30 p.m. "Nightly News" broadcast to see the segment, it was immediately available on the MSNBC Web site an hour and a half earlier.

So, is this news? Is NBC -- and the rest of the TV news outlets -- giving Cho exactly what he wanted? Obviously, newspapers will use this material as well, but there was something disturbing about the saturation effect of watching photo after photo play in a slide show on MSNBC Wednesday night.

A hammer, a knife, a Glock, a picture of Cho holding a gun to his own head -- photo after photo kept coming. I wonder how long before people snapped off the TV -- or were they sitting there immobilized, transfixed by the repeating images? Pretty much every media outlet showed the video as soon as NBC released it, but not with the same kind of in-your-face-ness that MSNBC seems to relish. Is this the ultimate "get" or just the kind of ethical burden MSNBC has now fumbled? A lot of questions at hand.

News outlets called Cho's rambling letter "his manifesto." Williams more accurately called it "a multimedia manifesto." No doubt it will usher in a new era of how psychopaths use technology to get their messages to the media. On "Hardball," after the initial "Nightly News" broadcast, Williams talked about the "1,800-word diatribe" and the 29 photos that were sent to NBC.

To his credit, Williams -- who showed more restraint in one minute than Chris Matthews in two separate "Hardball" shows Wednesday -- said, "We are carefully editing what we say."

He sounded appropriately conflicted about being the one, along with his network, who has these images. "This is the going evidence we have to examine," he said by way of an explanation for why NBC aired the video clips and still photos of Cho.

Williams said that NBC was careful in the editing and that more -- previously unseen -- footage would air Thursday morning on "Today." If that didn't fill you with synergistic dread, then perhaps you're not as jaded as the rest of us.

He was certainly right on one point.

"This was a sick business tonight," Williams said, with a shake of his head. But Matthews quickly added that it will go down as a famous day in NBC's history.

"There are definitely things that shouldn't see the light of day," NBC News President Steve Capus told Keith Olbermann on "Countdown" Wednesday night, as he explained that the network will continue to suppress some of the footage.

But by admitting that -- after having aired some of the footage already -- NBC is putting itself in a tough spot. There will be certain factions who believe all of the tape should be seen and that NBC's role as arbiter of the content is wrong (though that's what news outlets do daily: editing). Who knows what the fallout will be? What is certain is that Wednesday's developments were certainly unexpected -- and uncomfortable.

[2centsworth]

I thought Cho looked stupid. He was a complete loser. The video is helpful in identifying other losers.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/about/burman/letters/2007/04/a_story_of_victims_and_issues.html


A story of victims and issues, not only the killer
Wednesday, April 18, 2007 | 01:26 PM ET


So what will be the iconic image that will forever recall the massacre at Virginia Tech?

Will it be the grandfatherly face of Holocaust survivor Liviu Librescu? Or the glowing smile of Canadian Jocelyne Couture-Nowak? Or some sort of composite photo of the more than 30 innocent victims of this awful event?

Or will it be the sullen image of the dark, demented killer?

Since it is still only hours after the Virginia shootings, it is too early to answer this question but not too early to know how this question will be answered.

It will be answered largely by the news media in the days and weeks after the event, and it will reflect the emphasis that news organizations choose to give to their coverage.

These decisions — about how the coverage is framed, what angles are emphasized and whose individual stories are highlighted — will undoubtedly come after intense discussions in every newsroom. After all, journalists know that their audiences care passionately about these issues.

We certainly know that at the CBC. It wasn’t too long ago, only last autumn, when Canadians experienced their own school shooting at Montreal’s Dawson College. One young gunman went on a rampage, killing one student and wounding 19 others before killing himself. This was followed a few weeks later in rural Pennsylvania when five Amish girls were shot dead in their one-room schoolhouse.

These tragic events set off a national debate about how the news media cover these shootings, and this debate had a genuine impact this week on the CBC’s coverage of the Virginia shootings.

The discussion last autumn about Dawson and Pennsylvania focused on how much responsibility the media should bear for what turned out to be six attacks at schools and colleges in North America in a six-week period.

Several specialists in the field in both Canada and the U.S. argued that the media’s blanket coverage of these “crimes of notoriety” encouraged copycats by “glorifying” their act. They urged the media to reduce their preoccupation with the killers, their identity and their photographs — and not report “idle speculation” about their motives.

Overwhelmingly, they urged the focus be on the victims instead.

I dealt with these arguments in two columns last autumn and they provoked one of the biggest outpouring of reaction to any of my previous 50 or so ‘letters.’

On October 5, 2006, I outlined the arguments of those working in the field, and on October 11, I highlighted the hundreds of responses this debate had received. They are both available online, and they are interesting reading in light of the shootings this week at Virginia Tech.

No two incidents are the same, and there are no easy ‘guidelines’ that resolve all issues. But at the CBC this week, we tried to apply some of the lessons we felt we learned last autumn fom our audience and from experts.

Overwhelmingly, the focus of our CBC coverage on radio, television and online has been on the victims and the many important issues which flow out of this tragedy.

Have we identified the killer? Yes, but not in a central way. In fact, on Tuesday, CBC.ca held back using the photograph of the killer for several hours because it would have displaced pictures of the victims. When it was used, it was in a secondary place. A similar restraint was evident on The National.

All of CBC’s news services avoided use of speculation and any coverage that could be interpreted as ‘glorifying’ the act. And overall, the quantity of the coverage on CBC Newsworld and elsewhere was reduced after the initial hours.

It is a delicate balancing act, and more of an art than a science. Have we got it right? Probably not , but I think it was an improvement over last autumn. I will let you, the audience, be the judge of that.

But at least I think we have tried to address the central issues related to this tragegy, and not just exploited the emotion. And we have tried not to evade the hard questions.

Of all of the various interviews I saw and heard in the past few days since the shootings, the one that troubled me the most was an interview on one of the American television newscasts.

It was with the producer of a popular U.S. radio hotline program. He was asked how the debate over lenient gun laws in Virginia was being reflected on his program.

“We don’t allow this issue to be discussed,” he replied. “We know from past experience that the pro-gun lobby is organized to swarm our phone lines and we wouldn’t be able to broadcast any debate. So we don’t talk about that.”

In this kind of atmosphere, who says these tragic events won’t happen again?


Postscript: On Wednesday afternoon, a few hours after this column was written and posted, NBC News in New York announced it had received in the mail a package from the killer. It contained a compilation of 27 video clips, 43 still photos of him holding guns and a hammer and a largely incoherent 'manifesto' explaining why he had done it. On its evening newscast, NBC ran several minutes of excerpts, and this video has been rebroadcast by a multitude of other networks. At the CBC, we debated the issue throughout the evening and made the decision that we would not broadcast any video or audio of this bizarre collection. On CBC Television, Radio and CBC.ca, we would report the essence of what the killer was saying, but not do what he so clearly hoped all media would do. To decide otherwise - in our view -would be to risk copycat killings. Speaking personally, I have long admired NBC News and I am sure my admiration of their journalists will endure. But I think their handling of these tapes was a mistake. As I watched them last night, sickened as I'm sure most viewers were, I imagined what kind of impact this broadcast would have on similarly deranged people. In horrific but real ways, this is their 15 seconds of fame. I had this awful and sad feeling that there were parents watching these excerpts on NBC who were unaware they they will lose their children in some future copycat killing triggered by these broadcasts.

[jaespur21]

i couldnt believe he actually taped these manifestos and mailed it during the process. i believe with or without showing these videos that their would be copycats eventually. these are bad times

and i just skipped those long articles posted above...im tired of reading about this

[Поповић]

I don't WANT to "understand" Cho. The only people that might want to understand Chow would be the copycat sickos that want to be famous too.

Fuck NBC.


:tu

[Spurminator]

I don't know why ppl get mad at that. He was clearly a complete lunatic. if you get mad at that video, you are doing exaclty what that lunatic wanted.


I would argue you're doing the same by distributing the video to the world.

I don't know what the right thing to do in this case is, but it makes me very very uncomfortable that this murderer bought himself TV time with the lives of 32 people so he could air his beliefs to the world.

[Borosai]

Regardless of the videos or images, a message has been sent that should scare everyone. Terrorists, both domestic and foreign, have the ideal target now. Forget about bombings and hijackings...target the kids in schools. It would be so easy to organize groups of armed men around the country (and world for that matter) to just walk into schools (at any level...elementary, middle school, high school, college) and start killing everyone. They could take out hundreds at a time, and scare the living shit out of parents everywhere.

It would be nearly impossible to protect them, and that is terror.

[DannyT]

my whole take on it is no one is lookin at this kid from his view, the dude was talkin about having been spat on, laughed at, prolly beat the fuck up, teased, harassed and who knows what else through out his life, this is everywhere people are always pickin on someone in the work place, in the military, at schools, and in the streets, an yet even after columbine no one ever thinks that these cats are capable of doing the same at their location.....until it happens and then they are shocked like they had no clue he was capable of this shit...i think they knew this might one day happened, but more should have seen done earlier to prevent today i agree on that and im not saying that i am one that is picked but i talk a lot of shit and it really opened my eyes to their view when columbine kicked off, cause i know i was hard on cats and push the envelope to far but never to this extinct

[Поповић]

NBC gave the bastard exactly what he wanted.

[baseline bum]

I don't know why ppl get mad at that. He was clearly a complete lunatic. if you get mad at that video, you are doing exaclty what that lunatic wanted.

It pisses me off when people refer to assholes like this as lunatics, psychos, or as someone who is crazy.

A psycho, a lunatic, or someone who is crazy has no idea what he's doing. They do things because they think God told them to do it, or the TV instructed them, or so on. Someone who's crazy has a malfunctioning brain, and cannot help it.

This piece of shit knew exactly what the fuck he was doing, and he was fully conscious of the effects. He wasn't psychotic or crazy: he was acting out of hatred. To say he's a lunatic gives him a rational explanation for comitting this act, when there is none other than pure evil.

[2centsworth]

It pisses me off when people refer to assholes like this as lunatics, psychos, or as someone who is crazy.

A psycho, a lunatic, or someone who is crazy has no idea what he's doing. They do things because they think God told them to do it, or the TV instructed them, or so on. Someone who's crazy has a malfunctioning brain, and cannot help it.

This piece of shit knew exactly what the fuck he was doing, and he was fully conscious of the effects. He wasn't psychotic or crazy: he was acting out of hatred. To say he's a lunatic gives him a rational explanation for comitting this act, when there is none other than pure evil.
bravo.

[DannyT]

true that....but when they knew his state a few years ago and his anger and rage was at that level there should be a way for preventing him from buyin gats....not that this would have solved the problem but it would have made it a little bit more difficult for him to carry this out.....also i agree this cat knew what he was doin.....he knew to send out a package that wold get airtime spittin his message and he knew what he was goin to do for some time......prolly even years because of what he had experienced.....he doesnt just go out callin these cats snobs and brats because he's jealous

[Trainwreck2100]

It pisses me off when people refer to assholes like this as lunatics, psychos, or as someone who is crazy.

A psycho, a lunatic, or someone who is crazy has no idea what he's doing. They do things because they think God told them to do it, or the TV instructed them, or so on. Someone who's crazy has a malfunctioning brain, and cannot help it.

This piece of shit knew exactly what the fuck he was doing, and he was fully conscious of the effects. He wasn't psychotic or crazy: he was acting out of hatred. To say he's a lunatic gives him a rational explanation for comitting this act, when there is none other than pure evil.

he should be called a terrorist.

[slayermin]

A psycho, a lunatic, or someone who is crazy has no idea what he's doing. They do things because they think God told them to do it, or the TV instructed them, or so on. Someone who's crazy has a malfunctioning brain, and cannot help it.

This piece of shit knew exactly what the fuck he was doing, and he was fully conscious of the effects. He wasn't psychotic or crazy: he was acting out of hatred. To say he's a lunatic gives him a rational explanation for comitting this act, when there is none other than pure evil.

So what was Hitler? How about Dahmer and Bundy?

Even someone crazy is capable of drawing up a plan and acting it out. If what this guy did is just a normal person snapping and killing people out of hatred, it would happen more often. There was something wrong with this dude. And there isn't any rational explanation for what he did, even if he was as looney as Roseanne Barr.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It pisses me off when people refer to assholes like this as lunatics, psychos, or as someone who is crazy.

A psycho, a lunatic, or someone who is crazy has no idea what he's doing. They do things because they think God told them to do it, or the TV instructed them, or so on. Someone who's crazy has a malfunctioning brain, and cannot help it.

This piece of shit knew exactly what the fuck he was doing, and he was fully conscious of the effects. He wasn't psychotic or crazy: he was acting out of hatred. To say he's a lunatic gives him a rational explanation for comitting this act, when there is none other than pure evil.

I was getting ready to start a reply, but I think you summed it up perfectly.

[Medvedenko]

Yeah, I was surprised NBC aired the footage...and guess what I spooned it in like a rat. We live in a multi media society, maybe the footage and letters will demystify the killer and we can pay attention on what loser and malconent he really was. A fucked up kid with a gun can cause immesurable pain. He's not insane or psychotic, he's evil.

[slayermin]

he should be called a terrorist.

What would be the point? He's dead. What, so others that fit his profile can be labeled a terrorist?

Terrorist profile:

Quiet asian guy. He didn't talk to anyone and had trouble meeting girls. Only typed on his computer and never made eye contact with anyone. Picked on in middle school and high school. Rented out the movie "Oldboy".

That describes the majority of asian students in college. Why not label gang members who do drive by shootings "terrorists"?

[DannyT]

Why not label gang members who do drive by shootings "terrorists"?


because their aim isnt as accurate as the asian coasts, thus leavin less drastic results

[Поповић]

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/20070418_VICTIMS_GRAPHIC.html

[2centsworth]

So what was Hitler? How about Dahmer and Bundy?

Even someone crazy is capable of drawing up a plan and acting it out. If what this guy did is just a normal person snapping and killing people out of hatred, it would happen more often.
I does happen often. It's called murder and rape. the only difference is that most people want to get away with it.

[nkdlunch]

It pisses me off when people refer to assholes like this as lunatics, psychos, or as someone who is crazy.


wrong:
Lunatic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Jump to: navigation, search
A lunatic (colloquially: "loony") is commonly used term for a person who is mentally ill, dangerous, foolish or unpredictable, a condition once called lunacy.

if you don't think this guy was mentally sick, you must be crazy urself

[slayermin]

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/20070418_VICTIMS_GRAPHIC.html

My deepest condolences to the families of the victims. It's a tragedy.

But this "piece of shit" does not represent Koreans, Korean-Americans, or Asians in general.

[baseline bum]

So what was Hitler? How about Dahmer and Bundy?

Even someone crazy is capable of drawing up a plan and acting it out. If what this guy did is just a normal person snapping and killing people out of hatred, it would happen more often. There was something wrong with this dude. And there isn't any rational explanation for what he did, even if he was as looney as Roseanne Barr.

Bundy killed women who looked like a girlfriend who dumped him. His crimes were done out of anger. He is most certainly a sociopath who was completely conscious of what he was doing. To call him crazy is ridiculous. Hitler was an angry piece of shit too, and he was a logical person just like Bundy and Cho. I don't know anything about Dahmer, so I can't give an opinion one way or the other on him.

[nkdlunch]

are you saying crazy people cannot plan,premeditate an action? :rolleyes

[slayermin]

I does happen often. It's called murder and rape. the only difference is that most people want to get away with it.

If you did criminology statistics on murder and rape, I would bet that a high number is committed by hardened criminals with a checkered past with the law. That doesn't fit the profile of this "piece of shit" at all.

[baseline bum]

nkdluch, why do you want to let this guy off the hook? Like there was a reasonable explanation for what he did.

[Mixability]

wrong:
Lunatic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Loony)
Jump to: navigation, search
A lunatic (colloquially: "loony") is commonly used term for a person who is mentally ill, dangerous, foolish or unpredictable, a condition once called lunacy.

if you don't think this guy was mentally sick, you must be crazy urself


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Michael Scott

[nkdlunch]

nkdluch, why do you want to let this guy off the hook?

say what!?

I never said to let this guy off the hook. u really must be crazy yourself.

I just said he was a nut and anyone who gets angry at his pathetic video is acting exactly how he would have wanted.

[slayermin]

The definition of a "sociopath" is a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behaviour and a lack of conscience.

Except for the lack of consience part, this describes many people I have met over the years and the majority are non-asian.

[slayermin]

nkdluch, why do you want to let this guy off the hook? Like there was a reasonable explanation for what he did.

There is no reasonable explanation for this act. It's a tragedy. And what do you mean letting him off the hook? He's dead.

What you are trying to do is pinning this act on his family and others that fit his profile. That's bullshit.

[baseline bum]

There is no reasonable explanation for this act. It's a tragedy. And what do you mean letting him off the hook? He's dead.

What you are trying to do is pinning this act on his family and others that fit his profile. That's bullshit.

I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm blaming it entirely on him. I don't understand your point about pinning it on people that fit his profile at all. Are you trying to say that because I'm throwing out the insanity argument, that I must be making the product of the environment argument? Is free will now being thrown out of the equation?


My deepest condolences to the families of the victims. It's a tragedy.

But this "piece of shit" does not represent Koreans, Korean-Americans, or Asians in general.

I don't understand this point either. Did anyone say anything bad about Asians or specifially Koreans?

[Поповић]

bum is right. The bastard couldn't handle the fact that the world didn't revolve around himself, so he murdered 32 people and then pussed out of facing the consequences with a bullet through his dome. Unfortunately, thanks to easily accessible technology and an amoral media he's gotten what he craved, at least for a 24 hour news cycle.

[AnkleBreaker21]

well i wish that muthafucka would have been shot by the cops instead,like 200 times, fucking chinese bastard.

[Поповић]

Now every fucking loser out there with his panties in a wad has a template to follow. Great job, Peacock.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

I missed the NBC special.
Did they say anything about what he had written on his arm? Ishmael Ax?
Seems like that may have something to do with something.

[slayermin]

I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm blaming it entirely on him. I don't understand your point about pinning it on people that fit his profile at all. Are you trying to say that because I'm throwing out the insanity argument, that I must be making the product of the environment argument? Is free will now being thrown out of the equation?

I was referring to your statement about letting him off the hook. He's dead.

How else do you want to punish him?

If you are referring to how he will be remembered, then I kinda get it.

But if you think retribution still needs to be administered, who will receive this punishment? His family? Others that look and/or act like him?


I don't understand this point either. Did anyone say anything bad about Asians or specifially Koreans?

Trainwreck's terrorist post got my juices flowing. That pissed me off.

[Ginofan]

I'm not upset at NBC for airing the images the killer sent in. Perhaps if I had been related to a victim or knew any of them I would feel different. But as a general viewer I'm not upset. I was curious as to what this guy was about, what kind of person could do this horrible and disgusting act...the videos, images, and writings did that. The kid had a lot of issues he couldn't deal with and that is made evident on those videos.

And I think the public would've wanted to view the content of that package one way or another, just out of plain curiosity...there would've been SOMEONE out there raging against authorities on how their rights were being violated somehow because they wouldn't show the video of this guy.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/18/AR2007041802550.html

Heed Columbine's Lessons: Make Information Available, and Speak Out

By Marc Fisher
Thursday, April 19, 2007; A10

Every day, every hour, more people come forward who knew that something was deeply wrong with Cho Seung Hui. Teachers, roommates, classmates from college, high school, middle school -- people knew.

And people acted. Not all of them, and not all in loud and useful ways, but some who were disturbed by Cho's actions and words did what we would want them to do: They told somebody.

And still, here we are.

Why?

Dawn Anna, who has supreme cause to ask that question, thought we would be beyond this point by now. "I had this Pollyannish vision that when Lauren was murdered, that the reaction from the nation and the world was so intense and so heartfelt that we would all get around the table and say: 'As a parent, I saw this piece of behavior' and 'As a teacher, I saw this' and 'Let's put it all together and see what we can do to protect our children.'

"But it didn't happen."

Tomorrow marks eight years since the murders at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo. Eight years since Dawn Anna's daughter, Lauren Townsend, and 12 others were killed by two teenagers whose murderous intentions had been plain to see for years. The killers, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, wrote school papers about their plan. They put up a Web site about it. Harris even wrote in court documents that he was homicidal and suicidal.

People knew. Still, Columbine happened.

Even afterward, Anna and other parents couldn't get people to speak openly about what they had known. The parents eventually sued to force the flow of information that hadn't happened before the murders.

They won, and they lost. Harris's and Klebold's parents were deposed and required to tell how their children became killers. And the authorities were forced to reveal the existence of numerous complaints about the two boys that were never investigated.

But a federal judge in Denver, Lewis Babcock, ruled this month that the depositions, the thousands of other records and the basement videos in which Harris and Klebold spelled out their sick plan must remain sealed for 20 years.

"There is a legitimate public interest in these materials so that similar tragedies may hopefully be prevented in the future," Babcock said. But he ordered all the material sealed for fear that its release might engender copycat killings.

The copycats seem to be doing just fine without the information. The rest of us could benefit from seeing what the government is hiding.

"In the depositions, you see the dynamics of the homes that produced Klebold and Harris," says Brian Rohrbough, whose son Daniel was killed at Columbine. "In the basement videos, they say exactly what they're going to do, when and how. These killers always tell other people. There's always months and months and years of planning. But we're not being allowed to use what we've learned to save other lives."

Anna, Rohrbough and the other parents are prevented by a court order from talking about the specifics in the tapes and documents. But they are crying out this week for all those who know the Chos and Klebolds and Harrises of the world to stop cowering in fear.

"The murderers who killed Lauren weren't stopped because everyone just closed up in this fear of being blamed," Anna says. "People withdraw into shadows and fear of lawsuits. We've written the laws so that the rights of one person supersede the rights of the many to live in peace and safety."

Of course, simply stating that someone seems dangerous is only the beginning of a hard road. The devotion and commitment of Virginia Tech English professor Lucinda Roy, who reached out to Cho and also referred him to counseling, was more than most of us could summon, yet still not enough.

The U.S. Secret Service, which has spent decades trying to figure out who is truly dangerous, has concluded that profiles and checklists are pretty much useless. Instead, a Secret Service study says, what works is the most old-fashioned tool of all: talk, and more talk. As many eyes as possible on the situation. And especially the gut sense that a person is dangerous.

Yet we've built a paralyzing web of laws that erode our own trust in that basic human instinct.

"So we cannot insist that someone not attend classes until he gets treatment," Anna says. "That's crazy. We need to realize that we belong to each other. We need to create empathy. Instead, we remember the murderers' names when it's the children and teachers whose names need to be remembered.

"You're part of the problem," Anna tells me. "You're not going to want to include the names, because you don't have enough room in your column."

The truth is worse: I hadn't even thought of publishing the victims' names. But Anna is right. These are their names:

Cassie Bernall, Steven Curnow, Corey DePooter, Kelly Fleming, Matthew Kechter, Dan Mauser, Daniel Rohrbough, William "Dave" Sanders, Rachel Scott, Isaiah Shoels, John Tomlin, Lauren Townsend, Kyle Velasquez.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.poynter.org/content/content_view.asp?id=121760

Poynteronline
Posted, Apr. 19, 2007
Updated, Apr. 19, 2007

A Decision Examined: A Poynter Discussion of NBC's Use of the Killer's Video

By Ellyn Angelotti (more by author)
Ellyn Angelotti
Contributors: Bob Steele, Al Tompkins, Jill Geisler, Kelly McBride



More in this series

Poynter faculty members Al Tompkins, Jill Geisler, Kelly McBride and Bob Steele gathered Thursday to discuss NBC's decision to air parts of the package it received Wednesday from Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui. You'll find podcasts of those discussions on this page.

The following is a statement by NBC News president Steve Capus about the network's decision:

I want to take a moment to explain our decision. I assure you it was not taken lightly. It was only done after careful consideration and with great sensitivity to the families and friends of the victims and the entire community of Virginia Tech.

First, it is important to note, NBC News has broadcast only a small fraction of the material we've received. In total, there are more than 45 photos, more than 23 minutes of video tape and 23 some pages of written materials. We selectively chose certain limited passages and material to release.

Prior to the release, we worked very closely with law enforcement authorities. They asked us to remain silent about the material until they had a chance to review the content. We naturally abided by that request. We handed over to the FBI all of the original documents in a quick manner with the expressed desire to do anything to help investigators. Indeed, we appreciated the acknowledgment by the Virginia State Police during their press briefing yesterday, of our handling of this incident.

Some 7 and 1/2 hours passed before we aired the first video from the material, and again it was done in an extremely limited manner. Our Standards and Policies chief reviewed all material before it was released. One of our most experienced correspondents, Pete Williams handled the reporting. We believe it provides some answers to the critical question, "WHY did this man carry out these awful murders?" The same decision to run this video was reached by virtually every news organization in the world, as evidenced by their coverage on television, on websites and in newspapers.

The pain suffered by the Virginia Tech community and indeed the country is real and will last forever. I believe our coverage to date has been handled with great sensitivity. We are committed to nothing less.

Thank you for taking the time to write. I hope you appreciate our difficult position -- and that this e-mail offers some understanding.

NBC affiliate WSLS TV Roanoke has banned further use of Cho Seung-Hui's video and some stills on their station according to executive producer Jessica A. Ross:

After a serious editorial discussion, the Newschannel 10 management team has decided to no longer air any audio from Cho Seung-Hui's ranting death tape. We will also no longer show any images of him pointing weapons at the camera. We realize that would only further cause pain to the Virginia Tech community.

Initially, NBC and WSLS made the decision to air all of the images as a new development in the investigation. It was the first insight into his state of mind when he committed these unthinkable acts of violence. But again, we no longer feel it is newsworthy to air certain images or to broadcast his words.

We will strive to be sensitive about our coverage of this story and work to honor the memories of the victims.

Newschannel 10 welcomes your feedback on any of our coverage as we follow this story in the days and months to come.

[Поповић]

I'm not upset at NBC for airing the images the killer sent in. Perhaps if I had been related to a victim or knew any of them I would feel different. But as a general viewer I'm not upset. I was curious as to what this guy was about, what kind of person could do this horrible and disgusting act...the videos, images, and writings did that. The kid had a lot of issues he couldn't deal with and that is made evident on those videos.

And I think the public would've wanted to view the content of that package one way or another, just out of plain curiosity...there would've been SOMEONE out there raging against authorities on how their rights were being violated somehow because they wouldn't show the video of this guy.

Whatever his issues were, 32 people didn't deserve to die because he couldn't deal with them. To top it off, one of the largest media outlets in the world just put his grievances front and center. This is absolutely disgusting. Further, it's not hard to see this bastard turned into some kind of cult figure ala Manson.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Poynter Online group leader Al Tompkins and Ethics group leader Kelly McBride discuss NBC's decision to air excerpts of the video, photos and text sent to the network by Va. Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui. (http://www.poynter.org/media/mediacast/pub/1093/podcast.mp3)

[Newsman]

It would have all come out anyways so I don't blame NBC at all.

[2centsworth]

I was referring to your statement about letting him off the hook. He's dead.

How else do you want to punish him?

If you are referring to how he will be remembered, then I kinda get it.

But if you think retribution still needs to be administered, who will receive this punishment? His family? Others that look and/or act like him?



Trainwreck's terrorist post got my juices flowing. That pissed me off.
drop the pipe papa, it's making you....como se dice, paranoid.

[Ginofan]

Whatever his issues were, 32 people didn't deserve to die because he couldn't deal with them. To top it off, one of the largest media outlets in the world just put his grievances front and center. This is absolutely disgusting. Further, it's not hard to see this bastard turned into some kind of cult figure ala Manson.

Of course 32 people didn't deserve to die for his issues, I didn't say that at all. But if the media didn't release his videos I think the public would have a harder time trying to understand what this was all about (at least those who wanted to understand or at least try to). But that's just my opinion, I'm not here to argue, just comment.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Poynter faculty members discuss NBC's decision to air excepts of the video, photos and text sent to the network by Va. Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui. (http://www.poynter.org/media/mediacast/pub/1092/podcast.mp3)

For those of who who don't know, The Poynter Institute is considered a "school" for professional journalists.

[Поповић]

NBC's decision will lead to greater posthumous fame for the murderer than for the victims. This is a travesty. But ultimately a reflection of the society we live in, one that loves to worship the anti-hero.

[Поповић]

It's simple. Don't give the bastard what he wanted, even in death.

[2centsworth]

NBC's decision will lead to greater posthumous fame for the murderer than for the victims. This is a travesty. But ultimately a reflection of the society we live in, one that loves to worship the anti-hero.

you're delusional. A small segment of the population worships the anti-hero. Stop trying to crap on our society, you're starting to sound like Cho.

[sabar]

I would say he is borderline irrational if he thinks that his act is going to be starting any kind of a revolution or mass wave of copycat crimes, it's just not something that will happen. He wants more than TV time, look at the bigger issue and his personal messages which will never be realized.

[2centsworth]

I would say he is borderline irrational if he thinks that his act is going to be starting any kind of a revolution or mass wave of copycat crimes, it's just not something that will happen. He wants more than TV time, look at the bigger issue and his personal messages which will never be realized.
the guy is a dork, but I do agree there are a lot of dorks in this world. I helps shed light on what dorks sound like.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

I would say he is borderline irrational if he thinks that his act is going to be starting any kind of a revolution or mass wave of copycat crimes, it's just not something that will happen. He wants more than TV time, look at the bigger issue and his personal messages which will never be realized.

I hope you are right.
Then again he did throw props to the Columbine killers. I dont know if that would make HIM a copycat though.

[Mixability]

Then again he did throw props to the Columbine killers. I dont know if that would make HIM a copycat though.

The fact that he threw their names out there makes me wonder if he aimed to "out do" their massacre. I'm sure next time some moron thinks out such a big massacre, they'll look to this guy for inspiration.

[Поповић]

you're delusional. A small segment of the population worships the anti-hero. Stop trying to crap on our society, you're starting to sound like Cho.

And you sound like someone incapable of discussing things in a rational manner, much like the bastard.

[Good 'N Plenty]

NBC's decision will lead to greater posthumous fame for the murderer than for the victims. This is a travesty. But ultimately a reflection of the society we live in, one that loves to worship the anti-hero.

There are many who watched the video and pics of this clearly deranged young man who have no desire to "worship" the anti-hero. It is news whether you agree with it or not. Stop the drama.

[Good 'N Plenty]

Of course any copy-cats will be blamed on NBC.

[Поповић]

Why not broadcast pics of the crime scene? Is that not "news"?

[Good 'N Plenty]

Why not broadcast pics of the crime scene? Is that not "news"?

They did because it was news.

[Good 'N Plenty]

Those same people complaining about NBC can't take their eyes off the TV.

[2centsworth]

it is scary knowing that copycats can go down in a "blaze of glory" like cho.

media should be carefulwe need to devalue the media. Worshipping the TV is a big problem that should be fixed with something other than censorship. Last thing we need is to be protected by "Big Brother".

[Good 'N Plenty]

let's go to governmental news only.

[Jules]

Fuck NBC.

I think the same can be said for most mainstream media.

[Поповић]

Beyond inviting every nutcase out there with an ax to grind to go on a murderous spree and leave the world with a stylized presentation it is rather disrespectful to the memory of the dead and their loved ones. A free media is essential to liberty. But so is some restraint in the absence of what is proscribed.

[2centsworth]

let's go to governmental news only.
they do know what's best. We also need to ban all violent movies, since apparently Cho copied a movie.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'm guessing the families felt disrespected when their loved ones were shot with hollow point bullets.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'd like somebody to listen to those podcasts I posted, they're both about five minutes in length and talk about the decision-making process involved with stuff like this.

[Поповић]

I'm guessing the families felt disrespected when their loved ones were shot with hollow point bullets.

Sure, now let's promote a final presentation from the killer.

[2centsworth]

Beyond inviting every nutcase out there with an ax to grind to go on a murderous spree and leave the world with a stylized presentation it is rather disrespectful to the memory of the dead and their loved ones. A free media is essential to liberty. But so is some restraint in the absence of what is proscribed.
restraint, the slippery slope.

The problem is you think his presentation is stylized when I think it was ridiculous and reminds me of a couple of other freaks I know.

[nkdlunch]

they do know what's best. We also need to ban all violent movies, since apparently Cho copied a movie.

bingo. I was gonna mention movies.

there are so many violent movies out there. this video by this nut was.... fucking pathetic.

if I was planning a killing like this I'd rather copy it from movies.

[nkdlunch]

Beyond inviting every nutcase out there with an ax to grind to go on a murderous spree and leave the world with a stylized presentation it is rather disrespectful to the memory of the dead and their loved ones. A free media is essential to liberty. But so is some restraint in the absence of what is proscribed.

I'm guessing you haven't seen a violent film lately?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

link plz

Scroll up.

Posts #47 & 51.

[Dan Rather]

I think it was the right call.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't care if it IS news. They let a nutjob get his suicide statement shown on national TV which was exactly what he wanted and rewarded him for killing all those people.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't care if it IS news. They let a nutjob get his suicide statement shown on national TV which was exactly what he wanted and rewarded him for killing all those people.

How do you reward a dead man?

[CosmicCowboy]

How do you reward a dead man?

He sent it to them in hopes that they would air it.

They did.

He got exactly what he wanted.

[cheguevara]

People, don't u understand that his message would have come out ANYWAY. Regardless of NBC?

it would have come out either through youtube, Fox(exentually) or in the movies that they will make from the tragedy.

there was no way to stop this. So NBC just went ahead and showed it.

[2centsworth]

I don't care if it IS news. They let a nutjob get his suicide statement shown on national TV which was exactly what he wanted and rewarded him for killing all those people.
In his mind he thought he had some worthwhile message. In actuality, it should help us identify future scumbags. Being on TV in reality is no freaking big deal unless you're cashing in.

[Spurminator]

In actuality, it should help us identify future scumbags.

How?

[CosmicCowboy]

People, don't u understand that his message would have come out ANYWAY. Regardless of NBC?

it would have come out either through youtube, Fox(exentually) or in the movies that they will make from the tragedy.

there was no way to stop this. So NBC just went ahead and showed it.

Yeah, I understand that there were other potential ways to distribute his statments and pictures, but that doesn't mean it's right for a mainstream media outlet to do it.

I would have respected them more if they had announced that the killer had sent them some stuff, they had reviewed it, and concluded that he was a loser fruitcake who wanted publicity and that they were not going to aid and abett the glorification of lowlife loser mass murderers like that.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

He sent it to them in hopes that they would air it.

They did.

He got exactly what he wanted.

And he's benefitting from his reward how?

You said you didn't want to know what made Cho tick, I would contend that there are people who do. It's not a journalist's job to be parent the country. You decide that by changing the channel.

I believe the video, photos and other clippings of Cho have genuine news value and that there is a significant amount of the population that wants to know about Cho.

[Поповић]

restraint, the slippery slope.

The problem is you think his presentation is stylized when I think it was ridiculous and reminds me of a couple of other freaks I know.

It was stylized by him. It was what he wanted. Why give him what he wanted, even in death?

[Spurminator]

Yeah, I understand that there were other potential ways to distribute his statments and pictures, but that doesn't mean it's right for a mainstream media outlet to do it.

I would have respected them more if they had announced that the killer had sent them some stuff, they had reviewed it, and concluded that he was a loser fruitcake who wanted publicity and that they were not going to aid and abett the glorification of lowlife loser mass murderers like that.


I guess the question would be whether a "Secret Video" would be more glamorous and have more longevity.

Maybe by mass distributing it in the beginning it shortens the material's lifespan in terms of public interest?

I don't know.

[Поповић]

And he's benefitting from his reward how?

You said you didn't want to know what made Cho tick, I would contend that there are people who do. It's not a journalist's job to be parent the country. You decide that by changing the channel.

I believe the video, photos and other clippings of Cho have genuine news value and that there is a significant amount of the population that wants to know about Cho.


It was part of his plan. You know, the plan that involved killing 32 innocent people.

Journalists sure don't like concepts like responsibility and morality when it's between them and ratings. But they definitely like to pretend they do.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I would have respected them more if they had announced that the killer had sent them some stuff, they had reviewed it, and concluded that he was a loser fruitcake who wanted publicity and that they were not going to aid and abett the glorification of lowlife loser mass murderers like that.

I would have respected them less for not acknowledging the news value (and therefore, not doing the public its due service by providing the information for them to decide for themselves what to consume, argue, debate and think about).

I will give you this point. I thought about this a while after I heard Kelly McBride's thoughts in that podcast up there. She wondered aloud if it would have been better to present them via a medium in which more viewers/listeners could decide even moreso to consume the information. She mentioned your news story about receiving the info from Cho, calling the authorities and then tip to the video, photos, etc. online.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Journalists sure don't like concepts like responsibility and morality when it's between them and ratings. But they definitely like to pretend they do.

I wouldn't be debating this if I didn't like the concepts of responsibility and morality in the profession I've chosen and combining those with the ethics of professional journalism in carrying out that job.

[Поповић]

What ethics? 'Oh darn, the killer mailed us a bunch of shit. Wanna see?'

[DarkReign]

In a "me-me-me" society, when "me-me-me" doesnt succeed or isnt accepted, "me-me-me" blames everyone else. You meet "me-me-me" people everyday, you work with "me-me-me" people, you just might be a "me-me-me" person. 99.9999% of "me-me-me" people deal with their attitude in a traditional way (alchohol, incessant complaining, anti-depressants, etc), 0.0001% "me-me-me" people take their blame to everyone around them violently.

You are the most important person in the world. Otherwise, youre just normal. God forbid.

[JoeChalupa]

I can see both sides of this debate but for me I feel NBC did what they felt was, well maybe not "right", but needed to be done. Not always an easy call. But I don't find it disgusting either and if I did I have control of what I watch.

[Поповић]

In a "me-me-me" society, when "me-me-me" doesnt succeed or isnt accepted, "me-me-me" blames everyone else. You meet "me-me-me" people everyday, you work with "me-me-me" people, you just might be a "me-me-me" person. 99.9999% of "me-me-me" people deal with their attitude in a traditional way (alchohol, incessant complaining, anti-depressants, etc), 0.0001% "me-me-me" people take their blame to everyone around them violently.

You are the most important person in the world. Otherwise, youre just normal. God forbid.

:tu

So let's take this 'exclusive look' at a presentation by the nutjob killer.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

What ethics? 'Oh darn, the killer mailed us a bunch of shit. Wanna see?'

Have you even listened to the thought processes that go into a decision like this? I know you don't agree with them, but most journalists believe in the public's right to know and the public's right to consume what they see fit for themselves.

Whether or not you believe that is no concern of mine, but this argument will be endless as you have your beliefs set in stone, apparently.

Go into those podcasts with an open mind and give genuine though to (again, whether you believe we have them or not is none of my concern) ethical questions that arise.

[tlongII]

I'm not sure how I feel about NBC showing the vid and pics. I would be concerned about the families of the victims and how they feel about it. I would also be sensitive to the potential of copycat sickos. However, I don't think it should not be shown just because that is what the killer wanted. Who cares what he wants or doesn't want? If it is beneficial and helps people realize that sickos like this guy exist and helps people become more aware then maybe it's a good thing.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Posts #47 & 51 are waiting.

It's about ten minutes total, we'll wait...

[JoeChalupa]

I concur.

[Поповић]

Then let's see some close up shots of the victims' bodies. That's "news", right?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Then let's see some close up shots of the victims' bodies. That's "news", right?

You can either keep escalating your arguments to straw man proportions or listen to multiple points of view and possibly accept that others think differently than you.

[cheguevara]

Yeah, I understand that there were other potential ways to distribute his statments and pictures, but that doesn't mean it's right for a mainstream media outlet to do it.

I would have respected them more if they had announced that the killer had sent them some stuff, they had reviewed it, and concluded that he was a loser fruitcake who wanted publicity and that they were not going to aid and abett the glorification of lowlife loser mass murderers like that.

maybe that was the right way to handle it.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Then let's see some close up shots of the victims' bodies. That's "news", right?

And if you're so certain that journalists have no ethics, why has NBC News failed to air the tape and post the pages Cho wrote in its entirety?

[Newsman]

Then let's see some close up shots of the victims' bodies. That's "news", right?

No. We all ready know they were victims and not even the same issue.

[2centsworth]

How?

good question, but I would say most of us know people similar to how Cho is being portrayed. Now we know what these type of people are capable of and we shouldn't be in denial.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And if you're so certain that journalists have no ethics, why has NBC News failed to air the tape and post the pages Cho wrote in its entirety?

I mean, they're only in it for the ratings, right?

[Extra Stout]

Маркус Бриант

[Поповић]

And if you're so certain that journalists have no ethics, why has NBC News failed to air the tape and post the pages Cho wrote in its entirety?

30 minute show.

[Поповић]

No. We all ready know they were victims and not even the same issue.

...and we already know he's the killer.

[Newsman]

...and we already know he's the killer.

But not what made him do what he did. And you do realize that most news is reported AFTER the fact. So should there be no news since, the accident is over, the fire has been put out, the election is over, the storm has passed, etc.....

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

30 minute show.

If you didn't know, MSNBC is a 24 hour, 7-day cable news station. I'm certain that these moral vagabonds with no sense of ethics could find some way to draw up a great Breaking News intro and show the video in its entirety.

So again, I ask, why haven't they?

[Поповић]

But not what made him do what he did. And you do realize that most news is reported AFTER the fact. So should there be no news since, the accident is over, the fire has been put out, the election is over, the storm has passed, etc.....

And we don't really know how each and every one of them died. Let's take a look.

[Поповић]

If you didn't know, MSNBC is a 24 hour, 7-day cable news station. I'm certain that these moral vagabonds with no sense of ethics could find some way to draw up a great Breaking News intro and show the video in its entirety.

So again, I ask, why haven't they?


Oh hey, they have an ethical framework because they didn't broadcast it all in a continuous loop.

[Поповић]

Маркус Бриант

Jec.

[Newsman]

And we don't really know how each and every one of them died. Let's take a look.

Gunshot wounds. Next.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And we don't really know how each and every one of them died. Let's take a look.

I think it's been generally accepted that they were shot to death.

But you're right, since it's obvious that journalists have no ethical boundaries whatsoever, let's go take a look at how often dead bodies make TV and the front pages of America.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I think it's been generally accepted that they were shot to death.

But you're right, since it's obvious that journalists have no ethical boundaries whatsoever, let's go take a look at how often dead bodies make TV and the front pages of America.

I'll even give you a head start.

Look under my previous posts for the Miami Herald about two years ago.

[Поповић]

Gunshot wounds. Next.

That's what was said. Let's see it. It's apparently not enough to just say the 'killer mailed us a bunch of shit', it has to be shown.

So everything's fair game.

Next.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

So everything's fair game.



Like that video NBC News has shown in its entirety, right?

You're right, them just showing the uneditied video constantly to us is so unethical.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

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[Phonzie20]

fucking Texans

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

fucking Texans

Why don't you blow me, you son of a bitch.

[Trainwreck2100]

Trainwreck's terrorist post got my juices flowing. That pissed me off.


Let's see, go around killing people, off yourself in the process, then show that you had it all planned from the get go. How is he not?

[MannyIsGod]

It pisses me off when people refer to assholes like this as lunatics, psychos, or as someone who is crazy.

A psycho, a lunatic, or someone who is crazy has no idea what he's doing. They do things because they think God told them to do it, or the TV instructed them, or so on. Someone who's crazy has a malfunctioning brain, and cannot help it.

This piece of shit knew exactly what the fuck he was doing, and he was fully conscious of the effects. He wasn't psychotic or crazy: he was acting out of hatred. To say he's a lunatic gives him a rational explanation for comitting this act, when there is none other than pure evil.Hows that degree in psychology treating you?

[MannyIsGod]

nkdluch, why do you want to let this guy off the hook? Like there was a reasonable explanation for what he did.Reasonable is an opionionated descrition of actions. You need not find an explantion that everyone finds reasonable, but there is an explanation for his actions that he found reasonable. Why he found it reasonable is the question that needs to be answered.

[MannyIsGod]

bum is right. The bastard couldn't handle the fact that the world didn't revolve around himself, so he murdered 32 people and then pussed out of facing the consequences with a bullet through his dome. Unfortunately, thanks to easily accessible technology and an amoral media he's gotten what he craved, at least for a 24 hour news cycle.How much of the coverage have you watched?

[MannyIsGod]

I don't care if it IS news. They let a nutjob get his suicide statement shown on national TV which was exactly what he wanted and rewarded him for killing all those people.Did you watch? If no one watches then how does he win? Who's really to blame, the media who puts it on TV or the public who watches?

As much as I hate sensationalist media like we have I put the blame squarly on the people who allow it to exist and watch it.

[MannyIsGod]

Those same people complaining about NBC can't take their eyes off the TV.Yup.

[MannyIsGod]

Beyond inviting every nutcase out there with an ax to grind to go on a murderous spree and leave the world with a stylized presentation it is rather disrespectful to the memory of the dead and their loved ones. A free media is essential to liberty. But so is some restraint in the absence of what is proscribed.So NBC is promoting mass murder now? I guess all that stood between us and the apocolypse was NBC News. Who knew?

[MannyIsGod]

He sent it to them in hopes that they would air it.

They did.

He got exactly what he wanted.Would they have aired it if there was no audience?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't think they should dignify him or people like him by releasing their name, picture, etc.

Every report should use 'piece of scum'. News reports: "a piece of scum killed 32 people today before going out cowardly by shooting himself".

Don't dignify him with recognition. Fuck that.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

That's what was said. Let's see it. It's apparently not enough to just say the 'killer mailed us a bunch of shit', it has to be shown.

So everything's fair game.

Next.


no its not. people like visualizing. it's why guys don't masturbate to text that says "a girl is rubbing her pussy and now two more girls come in and do it for her while rubbing ice cream on their asses and spreading syrup all over their boobies". At least I don't.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think they should dignify him or people like him by releasing their name, picture, etc.

Every report should use 'piece of scum'. News reports: "a piece of scum killed 32 people today before going out cowardly by shooting himself".

Don't dignify him with recognition. Fuck that.So you want the news to be as unobjective as possible now? Give me a break. This is idiocy.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Did you watch? If no one watches then how does he win? Who's really to blame, the media who puts it on TV or the public who watches?

As much as I hate sensationalist media like we have I put the blame squarly on the people who allow it to exist and watch it.

Something or other about a vicious cycle and the media being a reflection of our darker side as a society. Or vice versa. Or I'm hungry.

[Поповић]

How much of the coverage have you watched?

None of the killer's presentation. How about you?

[Поповић]

So NBC is promoting mass murder now? I guess all that stood between us and the apocolypse was NBC News. Who knew?

They are promoting the killer's views. Who knew you would have no point?

[Поповић]

no its not. people like visualizing. it's why guys don't masturbate to text that says "a girl is rubbing her pussy and now two more girls come in and do it for her while rubbing ice cream on their asses and spreading syrup all over their boobies". At least I don't.


Good. Let's see the victims' bodies with their faces blown half off.

[Поповић]

I don't think they should dignify him or people like him by releasing their name, picture, etc.

Every report should use 'piece of scum'. News reports: "a piece of scum killed 32 people today before going out cowardly by shooting himself".

Don't dignify him with recognition. Fuck that.


But....he had feelings too. Wah.

[MannyIsGod]

None of the killer's presentation. How about you?I've watched zero network coverage of the event. However, I'm glad to see you framed your answer. Now answer my question again, how much of the coverage did you watch?

[MannyIsGod]

They are promoting the killer's views. Who knew you would have no point?I didn't need to make a point in that stament because your prediction of further mass murders based upon NBC's coverage is one of the weaker posts I've seen in awhile.

[MannyIsGod]

But....he had feelings too. Wah.Its not about feelings - it is about recognizing that there are causes to this type of behavior and that in order to discover what those are we must understand them. Your ranting and raving do nothing to solve these situations in the future. You jsut come off liek an ignorant fool.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

They are promoting the killer's views. Who knew you would have no point?

if you haven't noticed views get promoted on t.v. Whether it's a movie, the news, or a song. And frankly money talks. People want to watch this guy--and they will stop when they've seen enough, which is beginning to happen.

It's essentially an interview. We had questions, he gave us answers. That in itself is not bad. What is bad is the constant replay it's getting during this nascent period of I guess you an say, mourning and healing

[T Park]

So you want the news to be as unobjective as possible now? Give me a break. This is idiocy

Thats not unobjective.

Thats fact.

The guy was a fucking lunatic piece of shit.

[Bigzax]

It pisses me off when people refer to assholes like this as lunatics, psychos, or as someone who is crazy.

A psycho, a lunatic, or someone who is crazy has no idea what he's doing. They do things because they think God told them to do it, or the TV instructed them, or so on. Someone who's crazy has a malfunctioning brain, and cannot help it.

This piece of shit knew exactly what the fuck he was doing, and he was fully conscious of the effects. He wasn't psychotic or crazy: he was acting out of hatred. To say he's a lunatic gives him a rational explanation for comitting this act, when there is none other than pure evil.


good post.

[AmericanPsycho]

We'd all be shocked if we knew what is going on in the minds of those around us.