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timvp
04-20-2007, 09:05 PM
Tim Duncan
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Offense:A+
Duncan's offensive game was greatly improved from last season. He shot 54.6% from the field, which was his highest mark since his rookie season and a six percentage point jump from last year. He enjoyed his healthiest regular season in years and it paid dividends on the offensive end.
Defense: B+
The first two-thirds of the regular season, Duncan was just going through the motions on the defensive end. He wasn't bringing energy on a nightly basis. However, in the last part of the season, Duncan played some of the best defense of his career. He became the Spurs' anchor in the middle.
Intangibles: B+
Duncan only loses points because he coasted for a portion of the season. Overall, it was one of his finest regular seasons of his career.
Overall: A-

Bruce Bowen
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Offense:C-
Bowen got off to a hot shooting start, but then went into a massive slump around the first of the year. He started breaking out of it at the end of the season, however he still ended up with his lowest shooting percentage since the 2001-02 campaign.
Defense: A
Lost in the shuffle of an up and down regular season is the fact that Bowen had one of his best defensive showings of his career. Despite his age, the 35-year-old Bowen did a commendable job night in and night out on the opponent's top perimeter threat.
Intangibles: A-
For the fifth consecutive season, Bowen played all 82 games. He also shouldered even more of the defensive load this year as the team underwent changes to its center position.
Overall: B+

Manu Ginobili
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Offense:A-
For a stretch around the All-Star game, Ginobili was scoring the ball as well as he has in his career. However, for the season Ginobili was a streaky scorer. The good news is that his 128 three-pointers made was an career-high.
Defense: B+
Ginobili's team defense was very good throughout the year. He suffered some in one-on-one matchups, but made up for it with his ability to help his teammates on that end of the court.
Intangibles: B
Ginobili keeps improving year to year and the energy he brings to the game is always highly contagious and vital to the team's overall success.
Overall: B+

Tony Parker
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Offense:B+
After a huge jump in productivity last year, some expected Parker to continue to ascend offensively. Although it didn't happen, he showed that last year wasn't a fluke. Parker's offensive stats are very similar to last year's numbers, with a slight decrease in assists and turnovers and increases in three-point and free throw percentages.
Defense: B+
Due to his size, Parker is never going to be a lockdown defender. However, this season Parker played rather well defensively. His main drawback was his inconsistency on that end of the court.
Intangibles: C+
Parker didn't outwardly improve his game much, but he was an All-Star for a second consecutive season and has proven to be one of the toughest weapons in the league to stop. He loses some points for a handful of games where he appeared indifferent energy-wise.
Overall: B

Francisco Elson
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Offense:B
Elson shows flashes of being a capable offensive player. But much like the centers before him, sometimes his offensive game is forgotten in the Spurs' offense. When he's looking to score, Elson is usually effective.
Defense: B-
It took a while for him to catch on but by the second half of the season, Elson figured out what his role on the defensive end is. He's continuing to learn, but he's been better than advertised on that end of the court.
Intangibles: B-
Elson had some games where he didn't bring the needed energy or toughness, but overall he gave the Spurs what they needed in the middle. He still has room to grow and the good news is he seems like a willing learner.
Overall: B-

Robert Horry
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Offense:D-
Horry doesn't try in the regular season and add to that the fact that his skills are diminishing with age, and you can understand why Horry had such a difficult year on the offensive end. He shot a career-low 35.9% from the field and only 33.6% from beyond the arc.
Defense: B+
The one area of the game that Horry is most effective is on defense. He's an outstanding help defender who can guard most every power forward in the game. The only knock on his defense is that he's not an overly good rebounder.
Intangibles: C+
It's tough to know whether Horry is reaching the end of his rope or whether he's just saving it for the playoffs. He didn't look like he had many years left with the way he played in the regular season, but we'll get more of an idea with how he plays in the playoffs.
Overall: C

Michael Finley
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Offense:B
Before the All-Star game, Finley was perhaps the worst offensive player on the team. He shot a lot but didn't make a lot. After the All-Star break, Finley averaged 11 points per game on 45.2% shooting from the field and 43.2% shooting from three-point land.
Defense: D
For a good portion of the season, Finley was one of the top three worst defenders on the team. He wasn't playing good man-to-man or help defense. Eventually, he started to play better and peaked defensively near the end of the season.
Intangibles: C
Much like last season, this year was another campaign in which Finley struggled early before picking it up after the All-Star break. Going into the playoffs, the Spurs will need him to continue to knock down outside shots.
Overall: C

Brent Barry
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Offense:A-
Offensively, Barry had his best season as a Spur. He was great shooting the ball, finishing amongst the league leaders in three-point percentage (44.6%). His assists were down a bit, but he made up for that with his marksmanship from the perimeter.
Defense: D-
After taking a giant step forward last year, Barry took an equally giant step back this year on the defensive end. His concentration level defensively was lacking for much of the season.
Intangibles: B+
Barry was perhaps the most consistent shooter from the beginning of the year to the end. Without his outside shooting, the Spurs would have dug themselves an even bigger hole early in the year.
Overall: B

Jacque Vaughn
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Offense:B
Vaughn is another Spur who heated up was the year went on. After the All-Star break, Vaughn shot 46.8% from the floor and averaged 4.6 points and 2.8 assists in 17.3 minutes per game.
Defense: B+
Defense is Vaughn's specialty. He's a tenacious defender who doesn't back down from any challenge. Vaughn's toughness on that end of the court will come in handy in the playoffs.
Intangibles: A-
Vaughn was one of the biggest surprises of the year for the Spurs. He began the season as the team's third-string point guard, but won the backup job with his gritty defense, improving offense and overall leadership.
Overall: B+

Fabricio Oberto
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Offense:B-
Oberto's offense peaked at the beginning of the season. Eventually, teams figured out what Oberto was about on offense. But to Oberto's credit, he worked on his jumper and post skills as the season went on.
Defense: B-
Defense is probably the only thing that keeps Oberto from starting on the Spurs. He just isn't enough of a shot blocker to contest enough shots on the rim. His overall post defense and team defense has been good all along.
Intangibles: B-
Oberto began the season in the starting lineup, but eventually lost his job to Elson. He remains an important part of the team, as he's a smart player with big game experience.
Overall: B-

Matt Bonner
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Offense:B+
Bonner's ability to shoot the ball translated well to the Spurs' system. When paired with Duncan, he does a great job of helping to space the defense. He's also a deceptively effective player off the dribble.
Defense: C-
This is the area of Bonner's game that needs work. As it stands, Bonner's defense is too poor to be able to depend on him for large stretches. If he could become at least an average defender, he'd be a player that could crack the everyday playoff rotation for the Spurs.
Intangibles: B+
Bonner is quickly becoming a fan favorite in San Antonio. He bring boundless energy to the court along with toughness and a Ginobili-like win at all costs mentality. As long as he improves his defense, he'll be a good player for this team for a long time.
Overall: B

Beno Udrih
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Offense:C-
Udrih's offense was poor. He shooting percentages from the field and three-point line plummeted to career-lows. His assists were also down. Other than a few sporadic games, Udrih showed next to nothing on the offensive end this season.
Defense: D
Udrih's defense was poor. His lack of defense intensity was perhaps the biggest reason why Pop went with Vaughn. His focus was extremely lacking.
Intangibles: D-
Udrih had a poor season. That's putting it kindly. In his third season in the NBA, Udrih had by far his worst season to date. At this point, there doesn't seem to be much hope for the future, either.
Overall: D

James White
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Offense:B-
White was signed at the beginning of the season, but didn't get his first game action until the end of March. In the six games he ended up playing in, White showed a decent amount of offensive game. He is good penetrator who showed he can finish around the basket. White also showed that his jumper, while not great, is improving from his college days.
Defense: B+
Defense is where White can make a name for himself. He has quick feet and a willingness to be a perimeter stopper. He's also adept at taking charges. If White is going to make a splash in the NBA, this is the side of the court where he'll need to shine brightest.
Intangibles: B
White wasn't expected to show much in his limited action, but he did. He's a good prospect who has a future in the NBA, as long as he continues to work hard and improve his game.
Overall: B

Jackie Butler
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Offense:B
The first half of the season, Butler was bad on both ends of the court. However, in the second half of the season, Butler's offense greatly improved. After the All-Star game, Butler averaged 6.6 points on 54.2% shooting from the floor in 13.2 minutes per contest.
Defense: D+
Butler needs to continue to work on his defense. He picked up a lot of bad habits while with the Knicks and needs to figure out the Spurs' system. His man-to-man defense isn't good and his team defense is even worse.
Intangibles: C+
Overall, Butler saved his season with his performances at the end of the year. He played very well in garbage time and earned back some of the hope the Spurs had in him at the beginning of the season. At only 22-years-old, Butler is a fine bigman prospect.
Overall: C+

Melvin Ely
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Offense:C
Ely has proven to be able to score on the low block. He has a good post game and a decent face up jumper. With the Spurs, Ely showed much of the same in his limited minutes.
Defense: C-
What keeps Ely off the court more than anything else is his lack of defense and his lack of rebounding. He just doesn't do enough in either area to be considered a quality NBA bigman.
Intangibles: C
Ely has decent tools, but it's tough to see him ever breaking the rotation with the Spurs. Unless other options dry up, don't expect Ely back next season.
Overall: C

Spurs Dynasty 21
04-20-2007, 09:09 PM
B+ for Duncan on D?



LOL

Kori Ellis
04-20-2007, 09:13 PM
B+ for Duncan on D?



LOL

I don't know if you think that was too high or too low :lol

Duncan was horrible on D for a big part of the year.

Spurs Dynasty 21
04-20-2007, 09:19 PM
I don't know if you think that was too high or too low :lol

Duncan was horrible on D for a big part of the year.



too low, you say he was horrible?




do you realize HE is the single reason the Spurs D is the best in the NBA. Bowen filters his players towards Duncan which masks Bowen's weakness on the D.


Duncan's greatness on D is so much that he elevated his own teammate to constant DPOY nominations for years and 1st team all D selections



it is not coincidence no one knew Bowen was alive before he came to SA

Obstructed_View
04-20-2007, 09:21 PM
Horrible is an awfully strong word. So Duncan's defense was equal to Finley's or Beno's for some portion of the season to drag the average down?

Samr
04-20-2007, 09:28 PM
While I like that you noted White's grades came from limited action, his grade of a B puts him in a class (Barry, Parker, Bonner, especially Ginobili) which is a bit misleading.

I don't have a viable solution for this. Only a slight complaint.

timvp
04-20-2007, 09:30 PM
While I like that you noted White's grades came from limited action, his grade of a B puts him in a class (Barry, Parker, Bonner, especially Ginobili) which is a bit misleading.

I don't have a viable solution for this. Only a slight complaint.

Grades are based on each player's expectations. They aren't to be used to compare player to player. If that were the case, Duncan would get straight A's and the everyone else would be lucky to get a D.

Kori Ellis
04-20-2007, 09:31 PM
too low, you say he was horrible?




do you realize HE is the single reason the Spurs D is the best in the NBA. Bowen filters his players towards Duncan which masks Bowen's weakness on the D.


Duncan's greatness on D is so much that he elevated his own teammate to constant DPOY nominations for years and 1st team all D selections



it is not coincidence no one knew Bowen was alive before he came to SA

Yeah I realize how good he is, which is why I say a portion of the season he was bad. You do remember when the Spurs' opponents FG% was around 45-47% this season, right?

Duncan wasn't playing good D.

But you should also realize that Bowen was already considered a good defender when he got here - he made an All-D team in Miami. I'm not saying Duncan doesn't help him be better, but to discount Bowen's D like you did in your post is ridiculous.

Spurs Dynasty 21
04-20-2007, 09:35 PM
Yeah I realize how good he is, which is why I say a portion of the season he was bad. You do remember when the Spurs' opponents FG% was around 45-47% this season, right?

Duncan wasn't playing good D.




that would have more to do with the rest of the Spurs players




don't forget, for the most part this season the center position was trash for the Spurs, and TD was the only Spur with a defensive inside presence

Kori Ellis
04-20-2007, 09:36 PM
that would have more to do with the rest of the Spurs players




don't forget, for the most part this season the center position was trash for the Spurs, and TD was the only Spur with a defensive inside presence

I watched every single Spurs game. I watched Duncan not trying very hard defensively for a big part of the year. You don't have to agree with it.

It's not trashing him to say he wasn't playing well, but he wasn't.

Spurs Dynasty 21
04-20-2007, 09:38 PM
I watched every single Spurs game. I watched Duncan not trying very hard defensively for a big part of the year. You don't have to agree with it.

It's not trashing him to say he wasn't playing well, but he wasn't.



you saying Spurs, more specifically Duncan, was on cruise control?



I can agree with on that, the Spurs were on cruise control most of the season

timvp
04-20-2007, 09:39 PM
Pop called Duncan out for playing sub par defense at one point this year. Most knowledgeable posters would agree that Duncan's defense wasn't great the entire season.

But then again, finding flaws in the best player in the game is pretty difficult.

Samr
04-20-2007, 09:40 PM
Grades are based on each player's expectations. They aren't to be used to compare player to player. If that were the case, Duncan would get straight A's and the everyone else would be lucky to get a D.

Noted. Now it all makes sense (although I might dedicate a sentence or two per player to defining these "expectations").

That being said, Beno with a D, compared to his expectations, shows how truly horrible he is. Is it a rule that you have to play a "player" for the remainder of his rookie contract? Part of me thinks Pop only let him see court this year simply because he felt obliged to do so. Like Krause forcibly limiting Jordan's minutes, except, opposite. Kind of.

baseline bum
04-20-2007, 09:55 PM
How the hell did Udrih get a D? You're a pretty generous grader, timvp. :lol

This was his season to prove that Pop was full of shit with giving his job to Quicksand, and he goes and shoots 37% and loses his job to Jacque Vaughn back before Jacque was playing at even a Van Exel level. Udrih is one of if not the worst point guard I've seen on the Spurs in my 21 years of fandom. The guy can't even hang with 1999 Kerr, Jason Hart, or Jon Sunvold, and is on par with maybe Charlie Ward.

Samr
04-20-2007, 10:08 PM
Charlie Ward beats him simply because Charlie Ward actually had a career at some point in time. Personally, I'd compare him to maybe a Shane Heal.

AnkleBreaker21
04-20-2007, 10:33 PM
b for parker, this fucking dude doesnt know jack shit

Gooshie
04-20-2007, 11:16 PM
While I agree that Duncan was "going through the motions" on D at the beginning of the season, I disagree that it was for anywhere near two-thirds of the year.

The low point defensively came on December 26 against Milwaukee, which was game # 29. The very next game against Utah, I noticed a big change in Timmy's defensive mindset, and, for the most part, it stayed that way throughout the rest of the year. In fact, he averaged 3.4 blocks in the month of January.

So, I would say he wasn't up to par defensively for about 35% of the season, not 67%.

Kori Ellis
04-20-2007, 11:26 PM
While I agree that Duncan was "going through the motions" on D at the beginning of the season, I disagree that it was for anywhere near two-thirds of the year.

The low point defensively came on December 26 against Milwaukee, which was game # 29. The very next game against Utah, I noticed a big change in Timmy's defensive mindset, and, for the most part, it stayed that way throughout the rest of the year. In fact, he averaged 3.4 blocks in the month of January.

So, I would say he wasn't up to par defensively for about 35% of the season, not 67%.

He had a great January. And then a not-so great February. But he's been awesome lately.

Hopefully he is a defensive monster in the postseason, because I don't think Elson is going to be able to stay on the floor. And the small ball line up doesn't help out too much with post D :)

timvp
04-20-2007, 11:29 PM
While I agree that Duncan was "going through the motions" on D at the beginning of the season, I disagree that it was for anywhere near two-thirds of the year.

The low point defensively came on December 26 against Milwaukee, which was game # 29. The very next game against Utah, I noticed a big change in Timmy's defensive mindset, and, for the most part, it stayed that way throughout the rest of the year. In fact, he averaged 3.4 blocks in the month of January.

So, I would say he wasn't up to par defensively for about 35% of the season, not 67%.

Duncan's defense progressively got better as the season went on. I don't think he flipped the switch totally until a couple games after the Dwight Howard alleyoop.

The two Duncan low points defensively in my eyes were against the Lakers in a game early in the year and then the fourth quarter in that Orlando game.

But again, Duncan playing bad defense is better than most player's best defense.

milkyway21
04-20-2007, 11:37 PM
except on Duncan's B+(i think A- is pretty more like it), i think TimVP's grades are honest, and accurate.

kris
04-20-2007, 11:37 PM
Good article. This report card is pretty famous so I'm not sure how it's still confusing.

regio
04-20-2007, 11:42 PM
Jackie Butler
The first half of the season, Butler was bad on both ends of the court. However, in the second half of the season, Butler's offense greatly improved. After the All-Star game, Butler averaged 6.6 points on 54.2% shooting from the floor in 13.2 minutes per contest.

Those are pretty impressive numbers

aaronstampler
04-21-2007, 12:28 AM
Overall it was well done, but I think in some cases you were either too generous or too strict.

Too strict: Manu (A- at least), Tony (B+)

Manu had a career year I think, stayed healthy, and adjusted seamlessly to the 6th man role. He far exceeded his career best in Hollinger's PER finishing 9th overall in the league and was one of two Spurs (along with Timmy) to make every teammate better, according to 82games.com. Tony also exceeded his PER expectancy despite giving way to Tim and Manu more this year because they were healthier. He improved his defense and FTs a lot as well.

Too generous: Bruce (C+), Elson (C), Horry (D+), Butler (D).

I think you're far too forgiving of Bruce who was a complete offensive liability the whole year. He had a terrible year there, even for him. Elson couldn't have been that much better than you expected. He's been awfully inconsistent and we don't know what to expect from him game to game. Horry was just atrocious offensively. The single worst shooter on the team. Often Pop would play him 6 minutes in the 2nd and never again the rest of the night. He's kicked it up of late, but we could have just as easily deactivated him for the first 60 games and let someone else play. And Butler took way too long to get the message from the coaches and didn't even have the right attitude until March. He could have been a rotation player this year if he wanted to be.

timvp
04-21-2007, 12:57 AM
Manu had a career year I think, stayed healthy, and adjusted seamlessly to the 6th man role. He far exceeded his career best in Hollinger's PER finishing 9th overall in the league and was one of two Spurs (along with Timmy) to make every teammate better, according to 82games.com.

I deducted points from Manu due to his inconsistency. One stretch of the season, Manu was scoring more points per minute than anyone in the NBA. But the beginning and the ending of the season, Manu wasn't playing overly well.

If he would've played as well as he did for the six week stretch, he'd be in the MVP race.


Tony also exceeded his PER expectancy despite giving way to Tim and Manu more this year because they were healthier. He improved his defense and FTs a lot as well.

For an All-Star, I thought Tony had too many nights where he didn't show up ready to play.


I think you're far too forgiving of Bruce who was a complete offensive liability the whole year. He had a terrible year there, even for him.

If Bowen would have turned 11 of his misses into makes, his percentages would be almost identical to last year. Even as it was, if you compare this season to last year's minutes, he only averaged .6 points per game less. And some of that has to do with shooting less shots per minute.

Overall, Bowen's spot in the offense isn't large enough to diminish his work on the defensive end and in the leadership department. If he's shooting 50% or 40%, that's a difference of one point per game.


Elson couldn't have been that much better than you expected.

I take it you are new to the forum :lol

But seriously, I came into the season expecting Elson to be the worst starting center in the league. It turned out he's probably ranked about 28th-29th, so that exceeded my expectations.


Horry was just atrocious offensively. The single worst shooter on the team.

There's this guy named Beno I'd like you to meet . . .

With Horry, it comes down to the playoffs. We'll see.


And Butler took way too long to get the message from the coaches and didn't even have the right attitude until March. He could have been a rotation player this year if he wanted to be.

Butler was never going to play. With the way the contracts are setup, this was a Stephen Jackson plan year all the way. Late in training camp, Pop indicated he was thinking of throwing Butler into the fire, but decided not to.

Butler could have had Hollinger writing love letters to him via ESPN.com on a daily basis and the Spurs weren't going to alter their plan.

whottt
04-21-2007, 02:32 AM
I disagree with your take on Barry's D...

Pop praised his D for the first time ever this season...


Last year Barry was a non factor, and I don't think he did anything better than this year...Finley and Van Ex took his jobs.

timvp
04-21-2007, 02:37 AM
I disagree with your take on Barry's D...

Pop praised his D for the first time ever this season...


Last year Barry was a non factor, and I don't think he did anything better than this year...Finley and Van Ex took his jobs.

Barry went from being one of the best on the team in terms of opponent's point scored differential between when he was on the court to when he was off the court, to the worst on the team.

Last season, the effort was there all year and he became an average NBA defender. This year, he played no defense for a long stretch and then when he finally started playing defense, Pop noted it.

But I do agree that this year has far surpassed his other seasons as a Spur.

Amuseddaysleeper
04-21-2007, 02:59 AM
I can't get behind giving Finley a C overall


Yeah, his defense has been suspect, but considering he never was a defensive stopper I think a D is still too harsh. Also, his offense has been very solid and he's easily been the consistent Spur outside the big 3 in terms of offense.

He definitely deserved at least a B- despite a slow start

biba
04-21-2007, 03:07 AM
Thanks Timvp to share your knowledge.
That kind of stuff makes Spurstalk worthy to be.
It's greatly appreciated.

Kori Ellis
04-21-2007, 03:21 AM
Also, his offense has been very solid and he's easily been the consistent Spur outside the big 3 in terms of offense.



For March and April, that's true. But from November through February, his numbers were awful. If these were grades for just the last month or so of the season, he would have been one of the best.

milkyway21
04-21-2007, 03:43 AM
I'm thinking if TimVP giving a B grade to Elson (offense), is not over rating with he only averaging 4.8 pts/G as center? :D

Obstructed_View
04-21-2007, 04:12 AM
For March and April, that's true. But from November through February, his numbers were awful. If these were grades for just the last month or so of the season, he would have been one of the best.
Agreed. Fin went through a huge shooting slump this year, and coupled with defensive lapses and no rebounding it seems like a fair grade. He's been much much better in all categories just in time for the playoffs.

DarrinS
04-21-2007, 09:50 AM
James White has a higher grade than Finley. How dare you sir.

Borosai
04-21-2007, 10:41 AM
Do I really have to do this? I guess so...

James White!



Jesus is black after all. :bike: