Barbosa named sixth man of the year.

[da_suns_fan__]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0423barbosaaward-CR.html

No surprise: Barbosa is 6th Man
Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 23, 2007 10:57 AM

Suns guard Leandro Barbosa was selected as the winner of this season's NBA Sixth Man Award, which he will receive this afternoon.

Barbosa posted career highs with averages of 18.1 points, 4.0 assists and 1.2 steals this season. Like his speed on the court, Barbosa has shown rapid growth to turn into a primary scorer. He led the Suns in scoring in 10 of their final 22 regular-season games and again in Game 1 of the playoffs Sunday, when he scored 26, including 15 straight Suns points, to rally Phoenix to victory.

Barbosa scored at least 20 points in 33 regular season games, including four 30-point games. He ranked fifth in the league with 190 made three-pointers, hitting the shot at a 43.4 percent clip to rank seventh in the league.

Barbosa is the fourth Suns player to win the Sixth Man Award in its 25-year history. Rodney Rogers was the last to win it for the 1999-2000 season. Danny Manning won for the 1997-98 season and Eddie Johnson won for the 1988-89 season.

Barbosa came off the bench in 60 of his 80 appearances this season. As a reserve, he averaged 17.6 points and shot 48.8 percent from the field.

Barbosa was expected to win the award easily this season with San Antonio's Manu Ginobili, Dallas' Jerry Stackhouse and New York's David Lee considered his main competition.

[mardigan]

Good for him , he deserved it.

[DarrinS]

Deserved.


Heck, the Lakers looked like they were going to beat the SUns until Barbosa caught fire in the 2nd half.

[AnkleBreaker21]

yah the lakers had it, until kobe just went ice cold

[CubanMustGo]

Barbosa was the obvious choice this year (tho what this is doing in the Spurs forum instead of the NBA forum is beyond me). Congrats.

[nkdlunch]

obviously

[boutons_]

He'd probably start on 29 other teams.

[CubanMustGo]

Here are the voting results for the top five. I'm surprised Ginobili came in second, I would have put Stack there given that he was a sixth man all season:



Leandro Barbosa 101-24-1 578
Manu Ginobili 18-50-29 269
Jerry Stackhouse 7-40-55 210
David Lee (Knicks) 0-3-13 22
Kyle Korver (76ers) 1-2-8 19

[LilMissSPURfect]

:clap

[T Park]

amazing he got that many....

[Cry Havoc]

Someone gave Korver a first place vote?


Ok. It's Scoop Jackson-hunting time. This has got to stop.

[ShoogarBear]

Someone gave Korver a first place vote?http://www.estatevaults.com/bol/%20%20demi%20moore%20vanity%20fair.JPG

[boutons_]

:lol

[v2freak]

Korver's on the bench now?

[timvp]

I don't buy that Barbosa was the obvious choice for this award. Ginobili was eligible and he's a much, much better player. Barbosa is a product of a run and gun system and plays as many minutes as Tony Parker.

Per minute, Manu averaged more points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks and scored more points per shot. How exactly does Barbosa deserve this award more than Manu?

The most bogus reasoning I've heard (and I've heard it a lot) is that Manu shouldn't get it because he's not really a sixth man. WTF is that supposed to mean? He is as much of a sixth man and probably even moreso than Barbosa.

Barbosa is the one who plays starters minutes. Barbosa plays in a system that allowed someone like Quentin Richardson to break NBA records. Barbosa plays next to a two-time reigning MVP in the backcourt, with two All-Star in the front court and the reigning Most Improved Player.

No coach in the league would rather have Barbosa over Manu. Manu was robbed of this award.

[ducks]

hopefully manu is ticked and play much better on the court

[SPARKY]

Barbosa had a higher scoring average. The media votes on the award. QED.

[BacktoBasics]

timvp I love it when you get angry.

[ALVAREZ6]

No shocker.

[SPARKY]

How many times do we see the league's leading shotblocker win DPOY? It's all about the #s, for they provide sportswriters an easy out to ranking the top players in a particular category. The 6th Man award generally seems to go to the player with the highest scoring avg. DPOY usually goes to a big with a high blocks per game avg. Awards like Rookie of the Year and MVP do seem to be influenced by a player's total game, but I'd say scoring average and a fair amount of groupthink decide those awards.

[TMTTRIO]

Put Manu on the Suns and he'd probably be getting more minutes and averaging at least 21 ppg.

[timvp]

Put Manu on the Suns and he'd probably be getting more minutes and averaging at least 21 ppg.

I don't know about more minutes because Manu isn't built to play many more minutes than he's playing already, but his regular season stats would be crazy good playing in the Barbosa role.

[The_Game]

stop overrating Manu. He isn't that great. He has taken a step back this year. It's highly debatable if he is better than barbosa.

[timvp]

stop overrating Manu. He isn't that great. He has taken a step back this year. It's highly debatable if he is better than barbosa.

There's not one team in the league that would take Barbosa over Manu. Most would laugh at the question.

[ArgSpursFan]

Manu is the kind of player that gets better as the years go by.Most teams would hire him at the age of 35 or 36 only to play in the last mins of the 4rd.quarter to hit a game winner.

[timvp]

Manu is the kind of player that gets better as the years go by.Most teams would hire him at the age of 35 or 36 only to play in the last mins of the 4rd.quarter to hit a game winner.

Good to see Nostradamus chime in.

Thanks.

[ducks]

Manu is the kind of player that gets better as the years go by.Most teams would hire him at the age of 35 or 36 only to play in the last mins of the 4rd.quarter to hit a game winner.
good because by then the spurs will want to trade him
they were willing to trade david robinson they will for manu to

[nickolakus]

There's not one team in the league that would take Barbosa over Manu. Most would laugh at the question.

You may or may not be right about this but after the game barbosa had yesterday, and the game manu had...it doesnt seem to be the time to be bashing barbs and saying how great manu is. Barbosa is younger, faster, a better finisher, can drive to the hoop with ease and is also the better 3 point shooter. He also is still improving and you will see him in an all star game very soon. The suns have him locked up to a very friendly contract, possibly the best contract in the league. In all honesty if you asked all nba GM's who they would rather have at this point, Id say the majority would take barbosa for sure.

[ploto]

The difference is that Manu is definitely the best player on the team at his position, while Barbosa is truly a back-up. The point of the award is to recognize someone who isn't a starter, regardless of how many games Manu technically did not start. Like MIP- it won't ever go the to MVP; that ruins the spirit of the award.

[ShoogarBear]

Why don't they have a Seventh Man of the Year Award?

:madrun

[romain.star]

aaronstampler 4 MVP

[timvp]

You may or may not be right about this but after the game barbosa had yesterday, and the game manu had...it doesnt seem to be the time to be bashing barbs and saying how great manu is. Barbosa is younger, faster, a better finisher, can drive to the hoop with ease and is also the better 3 point shooter. He also is still improving and you will see him in an all star game very soon. The suns have him locked up to a very friendly contract, possibly the best contract in the league. In all honesty if you asked all nba GM's who they would rather have at this point, Id say the majority would take barbosa for sure.

:lmao

Yeah, the same Barbosa who the Suns believed in so much this summer that they spent $25M to bring Marcus Banks to be the new backup point guard. Put Barbosa on any other team and his stats would drop to half of what they are now.

And what does this award have to do with the games yesterday? Votes were tallied long ago.

[timvp]

I would have voted manu, but he started in almost 50% of the games he played in....

The thing is thought that Manu was eligible for the award. And if anyone is closer to playing a starting role, it's 33 minutes per game Barbosa.

Manu put up better stats in virtually every category and is the better player.





Where is The Church when Manu actually has a beef?

[ShoogarBear]

For some reason, I get the sense that timvp thinks they actually gave the award to Barbaro.

[angel_luv]

:lol

[aaronstampler]

stop overrating Manu. He isn't that great. He has taken a step back this year. It's highly debatable if he is better than barbosa.


Like seriously, what do you base that on? Name one thing he's worse at this year than last.

[RonMexico]

yah the lakers had it, until kobe just went ice cold

So Kobe should have won 6th man?

[RonMexico]

:lmao

Yeah, the same Barbosa who the Suns believed in so much this summer that they spent $25M to bring Marcus Banks to be the new backup point guard. Put Barbosa on any other team and his stats would drop to half of what they are now.

And what does this award have to do with the games yesterday? Votes were tallied long ago.

You are such a whiner. You and Kori must be the ying and the yang because she actually knows a little bit about objective basketball takes. You, on the other hand, can be pretty hopeless.

Banks was brought in as an insurance policy and to help Barbosa along by keeping the pressure off him to "be Steve Nash," thus allowing him to develop his game primarily as a 2-guard.

Unfortunately, Banks sucked worse than ever imagined and Barbosa had to be thrust into the role of backup PG much more quickly than expected. Guess what... it took him until about the All-Star break to get in the groove and he's really improved his game management and ability to run the point when Nash is out since February. (I really hope you do some research and look up posts where I've ripped Barbosa in November, December and January, while begging the Suns to get a backup PG like Blake because Barbosa was too inconsistent. This could help prove that I'm not just being a blind homer here and actually think Barbosa finally deserved the award for his play in the 2nd half of the season.)

Still, I wonder how they could reward him for adding this extra skill to his game and becoming a solid floor general in a backup role? Hmmm... I really wish they had an award for that... He's usually the 6th guy off the bench and can play both guard positions... maybe they should come up with an award named like the 6th guy or something...

I just looked at the Manu/Barbosa stats... they're not even close - Barbosa shot higher percentages in everything except FTs... Manu averaged more TOs per game in 5 less MPG... Barbosa averaged higher PPG, but those can be negligible since he was on the floor about 5 more mins and put up two more shots per game. In conclusion, your comment that Manu put up better stats in "virtually every statistical category" is completely unfounded.

I'm pretty sure Detlef Schrempf played around 30 mins when he won 6th man awards too, buddy. Why the beef with Barbosa playing 33 of 48 minutes coming off the bench? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

[SequSpur]

Nash wasn't the MVP either. These awards are stupid.

[TDMVPDPOY]

everyone on the suns team is overrated

if this dude is that good, care to explain him at PG without nash on the suns, with that much talent on the team, yet they cant even beat a scrub team in the nba. SONS = OVERRATED with or without nash.

[timvp]

You are such a whiner. You and Kori must be the ying and the yang because she actually knows a little bit about objective basketball takes. You, on the other hand, can be pretty hopeless.
Oh look it's the middle school ref coming to set the record straight :jack


Banks was brought in as an insurance policy and to help Barbosa along by keeping the pressure off him to "be Steve Nash," thus allowing him to develop his game primarily as a 2-guard.

A $25M insurance policy? He was brought in because the Suns concluded that Barbosa couldn't be the backup point.

The Suns know his game is limited. In their system, he's a pretty damn good player. Let him use his speed, let him play off the ball and play in a system that doesn't stress defense and he's going to put up numbers.


Unfortunately, Banks sucked worse than ever imagined and Barbosa had to be thrust into the role of backup PG much more quickly than expected. Guess what... it took him until about the All-Star break to get in the groove and he's really improved his game management and ability to run the point when Nash is out since February.

I never said Barbosa isn't a good player. He is.

But usually when it comes to awards, they should go to the most deserving party.


(I really hope you do some research and look up posts where I've ripped Barbosa in November, December and January, while begging the Suns to get a backup PG like Blake because Barbosa was too inconsistent. This could help prove that I'm not just being a blind homer here and actually think Barbosa finally deserved the award for his play in the 2nd half of the season.)

So what is your argument exactly? You think Barbosa deserves the award because he played well in the second half of the season, even though the Suns as a team played the best in the first half of the season?


Still, I wonder how they could reward him for adding this extra skill to his game and becoming a solid floor general in a backup role? Hmmm... I really wish they had an award for that... He's usually the 6th guy off the bench and can play both guard positions... maybe they should come up with an award named like the 6th guy or something...

Quite witty for a ref.

My stance is the award should go to the better player. I never said Barbosa wasn't good or wasn't the second best bench player this season.


I just looked at the Manu/Barbosa stats... they're not even close - Barbosa shot higher percentages in everything except FTs... Manu averaged more TOs per game in 5 less MPG... Barbosa averaged higher PPG, but those can be negligible since he was on the floor about 5 more mins and put up two more shots per game. In conclusion, your comment that Manu put up better stats in "virtually every statistical category" is completely unfounded.

Per minute, Manu averaged more points, more rebounds, more assists, more steals, more blocks and averages more points per shot (the ultimate way to look at shooting percentages).

Defensively, neither one is great on that end of the court, but Manu outclasses Barbosa in terms of help defense.

What stat can you point to for Barbosa? He averages less turnovers ... but then again, Nash has the ball 90% of the time in that offense.

On top of all that, Ginobili has the much better resume.


I'm pretty sure Detlef Schrempf played around 30 mins when he won 6th man awards too, buddy. Why the beef with Barbosa playing 33 of 48 minutes coming off the bench? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Sounds like someone can't read to me.

I pointed out minutes because of the popular notion that Manu should be penalized because "he's not actually a bench player". If people want to say that about Manu, then MPG should come into play.

I'll say it again. If the 6MOY should go to the best player who had the best season who is eligible for the award, Manu should have won hands down. He's the more productive player during his time on the court and he has a better resume to back up his case.

Barbosa is a great weapon in the Suns' system, I've never said different. But go ask every coach in the league who is the better player right now and who they would rather have coming off the bench, and they'd all say Manu.

Unless you want to argue that the Suns would rather have Barbosa than Manu or the award shouldn't go to the best eligible player with the most regular season production, then you have no case.

[timvp]

I still want to know where The Church is. Do they only come out when Manu has a good game?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I still want to know where The Church is. Do they only come out when Manu has a good game?


To be honest I kinda do buy into the "manu isn't a legit 6t man b/c he is an actual starter" whereas barbosa isn't as good as any of the starters on the suns.


Though I also see your point that if Manu is eligible, he has to be given serious consideration.

[mathbzh]

Manu is not really a 6th man, he barely qualify. So I am fine barbosa with Barbosa's trophy. LB is the perfect 6th man providing a big boost of the bench.

[The_Game]

But usually when it comes to awards, they should go to the most deserving party.

And it did. Barbosa is far more deserving than Manu.

You freaking homer.

[RADECK]

He deserved it!

[timvp]

And it did. Barbosa is far more deserving than Manu.

You freaking homer.

Yeah, timvp the Manu homer. :rolleyes

A couple hours ago timvp was being called out for being too hard on Manu.

[WalterBenitez]

Here are the voting results for the top five. I'm surprised Ginobili came in second, I would have put Stack there given that he was a sixth man all season:



Leandro Barbosa 101-24-1 578
Manu Ginobili 18-50-29 269
Jerry Stackhouse 7-40-55 210
David Lee (Knicks) 0-3-13 22
Kyle Korver (76ers) 1-2-8 19

Congrats (one more time) for Leandrinho he is a real 6th man :toast , he give to his team whatever you could expect from a 6th man; Manu is a step bellow and technically is just another POP's experiment. :rolleyes

[WalterBenitez]

Put Manu on the Suns and he'd probably be getting more minutes and averaging at least 21 ppg.

Put Barbosa in POP's hands and ... :eyebrows

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned who we traded Barbosa for? :lol

(BTW, which trade was that? I've been googling "barbosa draft trade" but the entry on the Suns' website that will answer my question isn't working!).

[ponky]

kudos and props to barbosa, that kid has a very talented offensive game and deserves the award

[ArgSpursFan]

Put Barbosa in POP's hands and ... :eyebrows

..........He´ll only average 15/16 ppg. in about 25 mpg............... :rolleyes

[Spurs Brazil]

I agree with timvp but I think the USA press only look at the PPG to give the awards

[mathbzh]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned who we traded Barbosa for? :lol

(BTW, which trade was that? I've been googling "barbosa draft trade" but the entry on the Suns' website that will answer my question isn't working!).

found on http://www.nba.com/suns/news/azcentral_030630.html

"They finally found a willing partner when they called San Antonio. The Spurs wanted nothing to do with a first-round pick and a guaranteed three-year contract. The have enough money under the cap to acquire two maximum players in this year's free agency period, and they didn't want a first-round pick interfering with that plan by taking up money on their cap. So when the Suns called, the Spurs were more then willing to accept the terms of the deal, which over a seven-year period guarantees them no better than the 21st overall pick in the draft.
"

[MI21]

The Spurs wanted nothing to do with a first-round pick and a guaranteed three-year contract. The have enough money under the cap to acquire two maximum players in this year's free agency period, and they didn't want a first-round pick interfering with that plan by taking up money on their cap.

Thank god the Spurs made that deal, otherwise we never would of got those 2 A-Grade Free Agents!

I'm fine with Barbosa winning this. Very deserving. Manu certainly had a case, and I think David Lee would of been deserving as well, but his injury cost him.

[carina_gino20]

I also thought the "fake sixth man" argument is BS. Manu came off the bench in more games than he started. Shame on you, Sir Charles, you blasphemer. :lol

[Spurminator]

Meh, Manu will get it next year.

[duncanchick21]

:clap :toast Congrats To Barbosa! He Deserved It!!

[RonMexico]

Manu was not more deserving that Barbosa. Fine, go ahead and give us per minute averages, which can't mean that much since we all know D'Antoni will play his guys more than he should, while Pop tends to underplay them. I know that sounds like an argument for you, but you have to look at it from the perspective of each player: Barbosa: "I can take a few possessions off because coach will leave me out here a little longer." Manu: "I really have to step it up and produce because Pop's gonna sit my ass down no matter how well I'm doing."

I said Barbosa should receive the award because he finally played great in a POINT-GUARD role in the 2nd half of the season... he was getting 6th-man consideration back in December when he was mostly playing great as a 2-guard. The Suns didn't just pick up Banks because they never thought Barbosa could play the point... he's only 24 years old, can sometimes suffer from confidence issues, and Nash only has a few more years like this in him, so they had to start doing something. I will reiterate: Barbosa proved that he can pick up the backup PG slack in the 2nd half of the season, which made him a more complete player... ironically, that makes him a more valuable 6th man, don't you think?

I think they made a mistake and were blinded by the 20+ point games Banks put up on the Suns last year and now they're gonna have to work on unloading him if possible. Besides, who knew Acie Law and Mike Conley were going to be such good players entering the draft this year?

Just like you made the point to say that the award wasn't won based on Sunday's performance... well, the backup PG spot wasn't lost just because they signed Banks in the offseason. The guy was money all-year long and is a game-changing player (much like Manu). However, you can point to some big games that Barbosa has turned around this year and won for the Suns and I have yet to see you make that argument for Ginobili (his 24-straight point game aside).

Number of press votes timvp has? Zero... and I think we all know why

[timvp]

So you are saying Barbosa deserves the award because he finally became the point guard the Suns drafted him to be in his fourth year in the league? I agree that Barbosa deserves props for making the transition, but that doesn't make him a better player than Manu.

Oh and if Barbosa was playing point like he is now last season, the Suns would never have signed Banks in the offseason.

And you must not have watched many Spurs games this year because Manu is almost always the team's go-to player late in the fourth quarter. Barbosa had some big shots this year, but Manu has the ball in his hands in almost every close game the last three seasons.

Nice guess on the number of press votes timvp has, especially considering timvp isn't in the press. Don't ever let them tell you Sun Fan isn't smart.

I noticed you didn't touch the subject of which of two is the better player or which of the two more coaches would want on their team.

[T Park]

:lol @ Suns fan taking it personal.

[Texas_Ranger]

That is great.

[Cherry]

Meh, Manu will get it next year.

My wish:

Next year = better bench = Manu starter

[Xylus]

:lol @ Suns fan taking it personal.
He made a legitimate argument for Barbosa, how is that taking it personal? :rolleyes

[planaria]

Despite of all my love for Manu game, I think Barbosa deserved it and I´m even surprised with Manu at 2nd spot.

I really think that Manu shouldnt never be disputing the 6th man of the year award. That is ridiculous. Manu is a kind of player that should be fighting for the MVP award or an All Star spot, not the 6th POY.

OK, is he elegible to the award? That doesnt mean that he should get the votes. The objetcive rule just determine who is in or who is out from the election. After that, everybody is free to subjectively choise who was a true bench player or who is not.

Manu was elegible by just two games, what would make him a bizarre 6th man of the year who just played 39 games from the bench.

That said, Manu is likely the second best player in the roster and he´s 10x better than the starting guy at his spot. It´d make the choise even more bizarre...

About Barbosa, I´d not say that Nash is the single factor for his offensive game. Just remember that Barbosa made history when he scored 27 points in his first game as starter (as a rookie). That was just after the Marbury trade and while Nash was a Mavs player.

He also was a stud when teenager in the brazilian league before be drafted. In fact at 19 years old he was the scoring leader with 29 ppg when the second had barely had 20 ppg.

Plus, Phoenix Suns scored this season an average of 5 ppg more when Barbosa was on court.

[SRJ]

Put Barbosa in POP's hands and ...


..........He´ll only average 15/16 ppg. in about 25 mpg............... :rolleyes


Please elaborate, ArgSpursFan.

Is the :rolleyes some kind of criticism of Pop? Because I don't understand why Pop would necessarily be a worse coach for this.

It is not the function of a coach's system to get more minutes, shots, and points for Barbosa, Manu, or any other player; a coach is charged with implementing a system that will lead to the most victories.

D'Antoni believes in outscoring opponents, Pop believes in limiting opponents, and their respective team's systems reflect this. Yes, Barbosa would likely have lesser statistics here, and Tony Parker would have likely greater numbers in a Phoenix system. I don't see how that would reflects poorly or well on D'Antoni or Pop.

[cheguevara]

another category that NBA does not take Defense into account :rolleyes

[The_Game]

Why should It? the NBA 6th man is about impact and adding a spark. Offense makes more impact in these kind of awards.

[SRJ]

Well, the Defensive Player of the Year doesn't take offense into account; therefore, it is worthless.

[nkdlunch]

change the name of the award to "best 6th man on offense"

[da_suns_fan__]

change the name of the award to "best 6th man on offense"


Jealous Jealous Jealous....

MVP - Nash (2005 & 2006)
Executive of the Year (B. Colangelo 2005)
Coach of the Year (D'Antoni 2005)
Sixth man of the Year (Barbosa 2007)
Most Improved Player (Diaw 2006)
Rooke of the Year (Stoudemire 2002)

[hater]

not at all

NBA Champions (1999)
NBA Champions (2003)
NBA Champions (2005)
NBA Champions (2007)

[da_suns_fan__]

not at all

NBA Champions (1999)
NBA Champions (2003)
NBA Champions (2005)
NBA Champions (2007)


Nope. Spurs are a "right time/right place" champion. They wait it out for "off years".

There are at least three teams better than them this year.

But don't worry...in 3 or 4 years, the league might go through a transition period and they could win another one.

[SRJ]

MVP - Nash (2005 & 2006)
Executive of the Year (B. Colangelo 2005)
Coach of the Year (D'Antoni 2005)
Sixth man of the Year (Barbosa 2007)
Most Improved Player (Diaw 2006)
Rooke of the Year (Stoudemire 2002)

NEVER compare resumes, son...

MVP - Robinson (1995), Duncan (2002, 2003)
Executive of the Year - Bass (1990)
Coach of the Year - Popovich (2003)
Most Improved Player - A. Robertson (1986)
Defensive Player of the Year - Robinson (1992)
IBM Award - Robinson (1990, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996), Duncan (2002)
Rookie of the Year - Robinson (1990), Duncan (1998)
Finals MVP (you know, the one you earn after winning the championship...oh, no you wouldn't know about that) - Duncan (1999, 2003, 2005)

[nkdlunch]

Nope. Spurs are a "right time/right place" champion. They wait it out for "off years".

There are at least three teams better than them this year.

But don't worry...in 3 or 4 years, the league might go through a transition period and they could win another one.

better to be a right place champion than a loser, like the Sons have been. Herres to your 2nd round exit.



LMAO at Suns celebrating 2 wins over the sorry Lakers.

[da_suns_fan__]

NEVER compare resumes, son...

MVP - Robinson (1995), Duncan (2002, 2003)
Executive of the Year - Bass (1990)
Coach of the Year - Popovich (2003)
Most Improved Player - A. Robertson (1986)
Defensive Player of the Year - Robinson (1992)
IBM Award - Robinson (1990, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996), Duncan (2002)
Rookie of the Year - Robinson (1990), Duncan (1998)
Finals MVP (you know, the one you earn after winning the championship...oh, no you wouldn't know about that) - Duncan (1999, 2003, 2005)


David Robinson and "A. Robertson" still play for the Spurs!!!!

"IBM Award"????

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Don't get me wrong...everyone loves D.Robinson, but do you see me throwing our Barkley MVPs, KJ MIP, Cotton Fitzsimmons COY, Jery Colangelo EOY, Alvan Adams ROY, Rodney Rodgers, Danny Manning and Eddie Johnson 6th MOY Awards?

[mathbzh]

deserve... deserve... deserve....
I believe we should stop giving too much meaning to the individual awards.
MVP, DPOY, MIP,... who care? I just want the Spurs to win it all. And I don't give a shit if we don't receive any individual awards.
Barbosa is the 6th man of the year... But I still take Gino in my team... Timmy will not be MVP but if I want a title, he is the player I pick over any other player (Dirk, nash, Kobe or Santa Claus).

[ShoogarBear]

Jealous Jealous Jealous....

MVP - Nash (2005 & 2006)
Executive of the Year (B. Colangelo 2005)
Coach of the Year (D'Antoni 2005)
Sixth man of the Year (Barbosa 2007)
Most Improved Player (Diaw 2006)
Rooke of the Year (Stoudemire 2002):rollin

Is Sun Fan just the graduate degree version of Mav Fan?

[ShoogarBear]

Where is that guy who says, "When I enter a thread, you lose"?

:smokin

[timvp]

Bump.


:rolleyes @ the modern-day bandwagon Manu for 6MOY posters.

[da_suns_fan]

I don't buy that Barbosa was the obvious choice for this award. Ginobili was eligible and he's a much, much better player. Barbosa is a product of a run and gun system and plays as many minutes as Tony Parker.

Per minute, Manu averaged more points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks and scored more points per shot. How exactly does Barbosa deserve this award more than Manu?

The most bogus reasoning I've heard (and I've heard it a lot) is that Manu shouldn't get it because he's not really a sixth man. WTF is that supposed to mean? He is as much of a sixth man and probably even moreso than Barbosa.

Barbosa is the one who plays starters minutes. Barbosa plays in a system that allowed someone like Quentin Richardson to break NBA records. Barbosa plays next to a two-time reigning MVP in the backcourt, with two All-Star in the front court and the reigning Most Improved Player.

No coach in the league would rather have Barbosa over Manu. Manu was robbed of this award.

Looks like you got your sweet vindication this year. Like I said, this awards almost an insult to Manu. He make come off the bench, but he's not their "sixth" man.

Ive never heard of a guy being a "sixth" man and part of a team's "big three".

Good for Manu. We'll switch awards this year. Spurs can have the 6MOY, we'll take the champioship.

[T Park]

He make come off bench

what are you russian?

[da_suns_fan]

He make come off bench

what are you russian?

In KGB, we drink vodka LOT!

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm suddenly hearing "Berserker" in my head.

[Elraptor]

He's a great player.

Doesn't surprise me.

[T Park]

:lol @ all the haters

Ron Mexico getting owned hardcore was especially a highlight, quite funny

[Spurminator]

Meh, Manu will get it next year.

[shelshor]

...Ive never heard of a guy being a "sixth" man and part of a team's "big three".
...

You never heard of John Havlicek?

[da_suns_fan]

kudos and props to barbosa, that kid has a very talented offensive game and deserves the award

Whatever happened to the Ponkster and why didn't she take the rest of the Mavs base with her?

[T Park]

You never heard of John Havlicek?

He's a suns fan, what do you think?

[da_suns_fan]

You never heard of John Havlicek?

Eh...he retired before I was born. Im not sure how many games he came off the bench for, but It doesn't really matter.

Why don't you give an example of player who played after they introduced the three point line.

That is, in the modern era of basketball.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He's a suns fan, what do you think?

:lol

[da_suns_fan]

He's a suns fan, what do you think?

I need you in the other thread to help out my "Duncan is really a center argument".

:toast

[ShoogarBear]

For some reason, I get the sense that timvp thinks they actually gave the award to Barbaro.

[jmard5]

The hell with you all! Who started this Barbosa as the 6th man of the year? You got me there.

Here's the NBA link.


http://www.nba.com/news/sixthman_080421.html
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Ginobili Wins 2007-08 Sixth Man of the Year Award Presented by Kia Motors
Posted Apr 21 2008 4:41PM

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Ginobili averaged 19.5 points a game this season.
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NEW YORK, April 21, 2008 – Manu Ginobili of the San Antonio Spurs is the winner of the NBA Sixth Man Award presented by Kia Motors as the league’s best player in a reserve role for the 2007-08 season, the NBA announced today.

Ginobili received 615 out of a possible 620 points, including 123 of a possible 124 first-place votes, from a panel of 124 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. Leandro Barbosa of the Phoenix Suns finished second with 283 points and Jason Terry of the Dallas Mavericks finished third with 44 points.

In order to be eligible for this award, players had to have come off the bench in more games than they started. Players were awarded five points for each first-place vote, three points for each second-place vote and one point for each third-place vote.

As part of its support of the Sixth Man Award, Kia Motors will donate a brand-new 2009 Kia Borrego seven-passenger SUV on behalf of Ginobili to Roy Maas’ Youth Alternatives of San Antonio which is committed to caring for children in crisis. Each winner of the four year-end awards presented by Kia Motors will receive a Borrego on behalf of the player’s charity of choice.

A sixth man in 51-of-74 games played this season, Ginobili led the Spurs in scoring with a career-high average of 19.5 points to go along with 4.8 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 1.47 steals. He increased his scoring nearly 6.0 points over his career average entering this season (13.7 ppg). He is also the only player in the NBA to average at least 17 points in under 32.0 minutes per game.

Ginobili is the only player in the NBA ranked in the top 31 for points per game (31st), steals (16th), assists (28th), three-point field goals made (156, 16th), three-point field goal percentage (.401, 28th), free throws made (380, 16th) and free throw percentage (.860, 16th).

The 2007-08 NBA Sixth Man Award presented by Kia Motors is part of a series of on-court performance awards called “The NBA Performance Awards Presented by Kia Motors.” The awards, which are part of a multi-year marketing partnership that makes Kia Motors America the official automotive partner of the NBA, also include the Most Valuable Player, Defensive Player of the Year, and Most Improved Player Award. The series also includes the Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Month presented by Kia Motors. For more information on the “The NBA Performance Awards Presented by Kia Motors” visit www.NBA.com/performanceawards

[Leetonidas]

I'm suddenly hearing "Berserker" in my head.

:lol

[Obstructed_View]

I'm suddenly hearing "Berserker" in my head.

Did he just say "making fuck"?

[ambchang]

Eh...he retired before I was born. Im not sure how many games he came off the bench for, but It doesn't really matter.

Why don't you give an example of player who played after they introduced the three point line.

That is, in the modern era of basketball.

Was McHale retired when you were born?

[CubanSucks]

Hey Mardigan, nice sig. Who is he supposed to be?

[td4mvp21]

Nope. Spurs are a "right time/right place" champion. They wait it out for "off years".

There are at least three teams better than them this year.

But don't worry...in 3 or 4 years, the league might go through a transition period and they could win another one.

Oops!

[Mister Sinister]

I'm suddenly hearing "Berserker" in my head.

Are you even supposed to be here today?

[clubalien]

not at all

NBA Champions (1999)
NBA Champions (2003)
NBA Champions (2005)
NBA Champions (2007)


Nope. Spurs are a "right time/right place" champion. They wait it out for "off years".

There are at least three teams better than them this year.

But don't worry...in 3 or 4 years, the league might go through a transition period and they could win another one.

:lobt::lmao:flag:

[DAF86]

stop overrating Manu. He isn't that great. He has taken a step back this year. It's highly debatable if he is better than barbosa.

Wow! here's a very stupid remark.

And timvp you only thought that Manu deserved the 6th man award instead of Barbosa last year 'cause you're a rascist and you hate Brazilians.