Bennett Salvatore [Archive] - Page 2

Shank

04-26-2007, 11:40 AM

amazing how the opposing player is always "showing up" someone after they get tossed.

Laughing, clapping, staring.

OH MY, such disrespect.

Were you at the game, TPark? I'll ask that because I was and saw the whole thing go down first-hand. Davis and Nelson were warned. At least they got that benefit. Duncan didn't even get that much. Baron could have done the right thing and halted it there, but he felt the need to make a point and was ejected as a result.

You're coming from the wholly anti-Mavs viewpoint and wouldn't DARE see it from just an observer's position. It must also mean nothing to you that no one from the Warriors is complaining about this. They've taken their medicine and moving on to the next game. I don't know why you're defending someone that's admitted their guilt.

But it's funny that you and others would think that Davis is just some little angel in this whole thing. He was barking at the refs (all of them) and complaining almost constantly. The Mavs are a good team and their play last night was obviously frustrating the Second Coming in Baron Davis. He couldn't hang, he flipped out and was tossed. Period. End of story. Dallas would have won that game, regardless.

I can't even imagine what you'd have to say about the Jackson ejection.

FromWayDowntown

04-26-2007, 11:42 AM

Davis was TRYING to get tossed out. If he were completely candid, he would admit it. You're trying to defend conduct simply because it benefited the Mavs. Leaders don't quit on their teams and get thrown out because they're frustrated and things aren't going their way. Dallas was packing the paint with the bigs and grinding the Warriors down, forcing them to start settling for pull up jumpers instead of going to the hoop. On the other end of the court, the Mavs were being the aggressors and exploiting the lack of interior D for GS. I think Davis either lost his cool or realized his team was destined to lose and decided to get some rest for his knees to be ready for tomorrow night. If you'd stop being such a homer, you'd realize that.

Baron certainly knew that an ejection was a possible consequence of his actions. His night was basically over at that point anyway, because he'd just picked up his 5th personal in the late 3rd quarter and already had a somewhat dubious T on top of that.

I agree with the notion that the Warriors inexperience and lack of composure is likely to play a key role in their demise in this series. They're somewhat reminiscent (to me at least) of the Denver team that the Spurs played in 2005. Lots of young players with limited playoff experience gets a huge road win in Game 1 against a prohibitive favorite and then gets swept up in the emotions of the playoffs without any real poise to persevere. Like that series, I'd expect the Mavericks to take a huge punch early in Game 3 as the Warriors respond to their home crowd, which will undoubtedly be amped for that game. Still, like the Spurs did in 2005, the Mavericks ability to execute in key moments and their calm in hostile environments like the one they'll face in Oakland over the weekend should give the Mavericks a chance to put their foot on the Warriors' throats and seize control of the series again.

Shank

04-26-2007, 11:42 AM

A homer?

Im a Spurs fan :lol

nice job mavs fan.

Please. Don't act like the mantra of Spurs fans isn't "I love the Spurs and anyone that beats the Mavs".

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:43 AM

But it's funny that you and others would think that Davis is just some little angel in this whole thing. He was barking at the refs (all of them) and complaining almost constantly. The Mavs are a good team and their play last night was obviously frustrating the Second Coming in Baron Davis. He couldn't hang, he flipped out and was tossed. Period. End of story. Dallas would have won that game, regardless.

I can't even imagine what you'd have to say about the Jackson ejection

Jackson shouldn't have been ejected in the first place, because his firts technical was complete bullshit.

Now your bagging on baron Davis "he couldn't hang"

Give me a friggen break.

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:43 AM

Please. Don't act like the mantra of Spurs fans isn't "I love the Spurs and anyone that beats the Mavs".

It might be. Congrats, thats what Mavs trolls who are complete dicks to Spurs fans, ona SPURS board, do to people.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 11:43 AM

They both probably desereved to get ejected, but that doesnt change a lot of the horrible calls the Mavs were getting. The reason they got so frustrated was the horrible officiating

Findog

04-26-2007, 11:44 AM

A homer?

Im a Spurs fan :lol

nice job mavs fan.

So do you have anything to rebut regarding my analysis of why and how Davis got tossed and what Dallas was doing defensively to frustrate and stymie the Warriors?

A homer is somebody that makes disengenuous arguments devoid of logic or reason because he wants to argue against or for something. Division rivalry and so forth, a homer Spurs fan would not want to credit Dallas for playing well or criticize Mavs opponents for playing poorly...You can bitch about the officiating last night all you want, but the Warriors did not play well and they didnt do enough to win. Your team won last night, we're not even on the same side of the bracket, and it's far from certain our teams will meet in the conference finals. Warriors/Rockets and Nuggets/Suns is a hard path for both squads. Are you going to lose your shit over the next 15 Dallas wins?

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 11:44 AM

Not its just at this point where Mavs fans are shown as just trolls and here to start shit.

Like you and your circle jerk partner leonard.

:lol

It's absolutely hilarious how Spurs fans are trying to defend Davis...

Go back and look at the final minute of the 3rd quarter. Davis already had a technical, so he knew they wouldn’t eject him, right? So, he fouls Josh Howard and yells right in the face of a ref who looks the other way. He fouls Jerry Stackhouse, and screams when called for the foul. He then stands and claps at the ref for no fewer than 10 seconds. He was warned, and his coach told him to knock it off, too. And people think the ref got carried away?

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 11:44 AM

Thank you for your kind words. It's good to be able to converse with rational, intelligent posters. Can you point to where I personally have told you what to do? I believe YOU just told ME what to do. So pot, meet kettle. Although I'm not the kettle you're looking for.

The registration policy allows for non-Spurs fans to post. Each team's fanbase has a shallow pool for the kiddies. Perhaps you're just splashing water and urinating with your mirror image?

Considering your posts in the NBA forum, I don't really think you have any room to talk when it comes to being rational and intelligent.

Spare me the ivory tower crap.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 11:45 AM

Findog

04-26-2007, 11:45 AM

They both probably desereved to get ejected, but that doesnt change a lot of the horrible calls the Mavs were getting. The reason they got so frustrated was the horrible officiating

Hey, Salvatore was involved...both teams had some bad calls go against them. Refs are human. Dallas played well defensively and did a good job of exploiting the Warrior's lack of interior defense. That frustration accounts for their meltdown.

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:47 AM

:lol

Thats what Mavs jerkoff doesn't understand.

It wasn't the "ejections" it was the stupid T before the ejection, PLUS all the bullshit calls in the 4th itself!!!!

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:47 AM

both teams had some bad calls go against them.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

mardigan

04-26-2007, 11:48 AM

Hey, Salvatore was involved...both teams had some bad calls go against them. Refs are human. Dallas played well defensively and did a good job of exploiting the Warrior's lack of interior defense. That frustration accounts for their meltdown.
Refs are human, but Ive never so many horrible calls in one game. Im not saying its the reason the Mavs won, but it sure helped. The Spurs got some officiating their way too last night, at least I can admit it.

LilMissSPURfect

04-26-2007, 11:48 AM

Findog

04-26-2007, 11:48 AM

Considering your posts in the NBA forum, I don't really think you have any room to talk when it comes to being rational and intelligent.

Spare me the ivory tower crap.

Take your own advice. You're one of the biggest homers on here. I can criticize my team and give credit to the other squad when the Mavs lose. We deserved to lose Game One because of a crappy gameplan and poor execution. And we won last night because we executed better. Didn't you start a thread and spew profanity over a game that your team wasn't involved with? We're not on the same side of the bracket, you worry about Spurs-Nuggets and I'll worry about Mavs-Warriors. I don't see Mavs fans posting dozens of threads screaming about the Nuggets getting jobbed.

Spurminator

04-26-2007, 11:49 AM

If you get a stupid technical in a Playoff game, you should keep your mouth shut so you don't get another one.

That's what separates professionals from dunces.

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:50 AM

Take your own advice. You're one of the biggest homers on here

:lmao

Aggie is anything but a goddamn homer.

Now I know you don't know what Homer means and your just throwing that damn word around now...

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 11:50 AM

:lol

It's absolutely hilarious how Spurs fans are trying to defend Davis...

Go back and look at the final minute of the 3rd quarter. Davis already had a technical, so he knew they wouldn’t eject him, right? So, he fouls Josh Howard and yells right in the face of a ref who looks the other way. He fouls Jerry Stackhouse, and screams when called for the foul. He then stands and claps at the ref for no fewer than 10 seconds. He was warned, and his coach told him to knock it off, too. And people think the ref got carried away?

1. You defended the Duncan ejection. Which means you have zero credibility.

2. No one is defending Baron if you take his actions in a vacuum, ie, don't look at them in the context of the game.

But let's face it, it's a double standard when Baron gets tossed for what he did but guys like Devin Harris on the Mavs can jump up and down and kick the court while cussing at an official after they get their third foul on an obvious reach in hack while not getting so much as a warning from the stripes.

Baron deserved his second technical for how he acted. But about three Mavs made comparable 'disagreements' with the officiating last night, and none got so much as a warning.

That's what Spurs fans are upset about (well, and the obvious phantom fouls that were being rung up on GS in record time last night), not Baron's second technical.

Try reading sometime.

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 11:50 AM

Dude, coming from someone that defended the Duncan ejection, you shouldnt be laughing at anything

I didn't defend Crawford's actions...I just pointed out what happened by breaking down the replays as far as who was where on the court and what set Crawford off because people here were saying that Duncan didn't even look at Crawford, others were laughing with him, etc...

are u not the same fellow who after like a million threads (trying to justify what joey crawford did) wouldn't let it go.....? ok baron davis fucked up. i see YOUR INSIGHT in every single thread! point made and taken...now let errr one else vent!

SEE ABOVE

1. You defended the Duncan ejection. Which means you have zero credibility.

2. No one is defending Baron if you take his actions in a vacuum, ie, don't look at them in the context of the game.

But let's face it, it's a double standard when Baron gets tossed for what he did but guys like Devin Harris on the Mavs can jump up and down and kick the court while cussing at an official after they get their third foul on an obvious reach in hack while not getting so much as a warning from the stripes.

Baron deserved his second technical for how he acted. But about three Mavs made comparable 'disagreements' with the officiating last night, and none got so much as a warning.

That's what Spurs fans are upset about (well, and the obvious phantom fouls that were being rung up on GS in record time last night), not Baron's second technical.

Try reading sometime.

SEE ABOVE

and I never saw Devin do anything close to what Baron did (ie, screaming right in ref's faces, etc)

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:50 AM

If you get a stupid technical in a Playoff game, you should keep your mouth shut so you don't get another one.

That's what separates professionals from dunces.

Agreed. Baron should have only had 1 T though.

The first one was completely bogus.

Shank

04-26-2007, 11:50 AM

Jackson shouldn't have been ejected in the first place, because his firts technical was complete bullshit.

Now your bagging on baron Davis "he couldn't hang"

Give me a friggen break.

Did Dallas take him out of his game last night?
Was Davis having to take it inside against bigger players all night, with little success? Was this getting to him mentally when you combine it with not being able to hit the same shots he did on Sunday night?
Did the pressure of a big game one fall on his shoulders to come up big in game two? And did he meet those expectations?

Last night, Baron Davis couldn't hang. He wasn't getting what he wanted and the pressure carrying over from game one was too much for his shoulders. He lost control and was subsequently thrown out for it. Cooler heads prevail.

Yes or no - would the Warriors have won with Davis in there for the 4th quarter, even with the subpar game he had played for the first 3 quarters? A 'yes' answer shows your obviously anti-all-things-Mavs bias. A 'no' answer doesn't necessarily make you a Mavs fan, but someone that understood how last night's game would have played out in the 4th given how the respective teams were playing so far.

ambchang

04-26-2007, 11:51 AM

[QUOTE=ambchang]. I thought the refs were trained to ignore this sort of confrontation."
I went to bed after Davis was ejected, it was just too obvious who was going to win, and no matter how well GS played afterwards, there is absolutely QUOTE]

GS didn't play well, they had lots of turnovers, as is their wont, they don't use a lot of ball movement, they just jack up a lot of shots Rucker League style, they have no interior d and everyone except Dirk took advantage of it since we can get a layup or dunk anytime we want. Avery used the bigs tonite and it helped a lot -- packing the paint and grinding them down, the Warriors started settling for pullup jumpers in the third when the Mavs made their run and started to tire them out. Anytime Salvatore is involved, BOTH teams are going to get some bad calls going against them -- the Warriors got some tickytack fouls or no calls go against them, but so did Dallas. And when they weren't able to get the looks they usually get against lesser teams but not against a top team like Dallas, they lost their cool and Davis INTENTIONALLY got himself thrown out, probably to save his knees for Game Three.

Please, let's talk basketball.
I am not disputing that the Warriors didn't play well in the 1st 3 quarters. I watched all of it, so I know they were jacking up unbelievably bad shots, or that they didn't play a lick of defense. I also saw how Davis shred the Dallas defense to pieces, but could get knocked on his butt and not get called for a foul.
And yes, IF the refs were calling the game fairly and IF both teams played the way they played the 1st 3 quarters, the Mavs would have won, no question about it. Neither team played good defense, but the Mavs were more selective on their shots.
My point is that no matter what the Warriors did in the 4th quarter, even if they caught fire and started draining contested fade-away halfcourt shots, they would have lost because the writing was already on the wall.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 11:51 AM

I didn't defend Crawford's actions...I just pointed out what happened by breaking down the replays as far as who was where on the court and what set Crawford off because people here were saying that Duncan didn't even look at Crawford, others were laughing with him, etc...

SEE ABOVE
Well you just have to realize then that for us Spur fans, anyone that could rationalize Duncans call of course would do it for Barons

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 11:53 AM

:lmao

Aggie is anything but a goddamn homer.

Now I know you don't know what Homer means and your just throwing that damn word around now...

do you know what Homer means?

DarrinS

04-26-2007, 11:53 AM

Refs are human, but Ive never so many horrible calls in one game. Im not saying its the reason the Mavs won, but it sure helped. The Spurs got some officiating their way too last night, at least I can admit it.

There a clean block by either Nene or Camby (i forget) on Duncan, and they called it a foul -- bad call. Also, Iverson didn't get to the line ONCE, which is kind of strange considering how many shots he took.

But there was also a non-call when Manu was pushed out of bounds. For the most part, I think calls went in the Spurs favor, but I don't belive it would have mattered in this game.

stretch

04-26-2007, 11:56 AM

Refs are human, but Ive never so many horrible calls in one game. Im not saying its the reason the Mavs won, but it sure helped. The Spurs got some officiating their way too last night, at least I can admit it.
There were shit calls going both ways. What about the bullshit foul they called against Buckner when he blindly ran into a pick by steven jackson? or that ridiculous charge called against Howard when Davis clearly did not have the proper stance for drawing a charge? The officiating was pretty bad, period.

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:57 AM

would the Warriors have won with Davis in there for the 4th quarter, even with the subpar game he had played for the first 3 quarters? A 'yes' answer shows your obviously anti-all-things-Mavs bias. A 'no' answer doesn't necessarily make you a Mavs fan, but someone that understood how last night's game would have played out in the 4th given how the respective teams were playing so far.

Quarters 1 through 3, with baron in there, the Warriors were within 6 and had the lead. Until the refs inserted their bias, didn't allow the Warriors to play D anymore, and ejected Davis for "clapping"

Whatever.

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:58 AM

Also, Iverson didn't get to the line ONCE, which is kind of strange considering how many shots he took.

Well, seeing as it was about 99% jumpshots. what is the problem?

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 11:59 AM

Quarters 1 through 3, with baron in there, the Warriors were within 6 and had the lead. Until the refs inserted their bias, didn't allow the Warriors to play D anymore, and ejected Davis for "clapping"

Whatever.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

I love it...whiny fucking bitches....

T Park

04-26-2007, 11:59 AM

I love it, homeristic stupidty.

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 11:59 AM

Well, seeing as it was about 99% jumpshots. what is the problem?

So Iverson never drove? :lol :lol

:wtf

Findog

04-26-2007, 12:00 PM

Well, seeing as it was about 99% jumpshots. what is the problem?

LOL, you are the definition of a blind homer....next W the Warriors get, you'll calmly dissect the game with X's and O's, and if/when Denver wins another game in their series, you'll scream bloody murder.

T Park

04-26-2007, 12:00 PM

So Iverson never drove

Link to where I said "He never drove" please.

Shank

04-26-2007, 12:01 PM

I don't know how many times it needs to be pointed out that Davis wasn't ejected for "just clapping". It was the fits he was throwing after every call leading up to the clapping that lead to the ejection. The clapping was merely the last straw.

But at least he was warned to stop. I supposed Baron Davis would still walk outside into a tornado even if the sirens were going off.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 12:01 PM

Iverson was driving, he just never really drew any contact.

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:02 PM

I supposed Baron Davis would still walk outside into a tornado even if the sirens were going off.

yeah but it wouldn't be his fault because the Mavs and the Refs changed the weather patterns to create a tornado right on him.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 12:03 PM

Baron Davis is one of the toughest guys to ever play in the NBA, fucking tornados dont scare him

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 12:04 PM

Link to where I said "He never drove" please.

99% of 25 shots is 24.75 shots, which rounds to 25, which means all 25 shots were jumpers...which means he never drove for a layup or layup attempt? I must've watched a different game...I saw him miss a ton of layups...

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:06 PM

Baron Davis is one of the toughest guys to ever play in the NBA

the fact that he hasn't played a full season since 01-02 says otherwise.

Shank

04-26-2007, 12:08 PM

Taco Bell for lunch?

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:09 PM

Taco Bell for lunch?

don't give SPURS fans on a SPURS board suggestions for lunch, Mavfan.

T Park

04-26-2007, 12:10 PM

LOL, you are the definition of a blind homer....next W the Warriors get, you'll calmly dissect the game with X's and O's, and if/when Denver wins another game in their series, you'll scream bloody murder

bloody murder?

Over what?

Reread my comments after game 1 Spurs.Nuggets.

I was pissed, but I never once babbled about the refs.

So nice try chump.

Findog

04-26-2007, 12:10 PM

don't give SPURS fans on a SPURS board suggestions for lunch, Mavfan.

That's telling them what to do, and how dare you do that?

T Park

04-26-2007, 12:10 PM

99% of 25 shots is 24.75 shots, which rounds to 25, which means all 25 shots were jumpers...which means he never drove for a layup or layup attempt? I must've watched a different game...I saw him miss a ton of layups...

christ...

T Park

04-26-2007, 12:11 PM

Awww did Mavs fan get their feelings hurt?

SNIFF SNIFF.

Get the fuck out.

Findog

04-26-2007, 12:11 PM

bloody murder?

Over what?

Reread my comments after game 1 Spurs.Nuggets.

I was pissed, but I never once babbled about the refs.

So nice try chump.

You certainly aren't capable of discussing Mavs/Warriors rationally or objectively, and you go from 0-60 over nothing.

DarrinS

04-26-2007, 12:12 PM

Taco Bell for lunch?

Now there's some good eatins. :sick

Duff McCartney

04-26-2007, 12:12 PM

I think that one of the funny things we were talking about last night and that my cousin commented on is that the Mavs seem to be in panic mode.

They were trying to feed the post with Dirk and they know that he can't do that. I don't even understand what theya re trying to do. The Warriors are making the Mavs do things they don't do and that is not their game.

I do think the Warriors got jobbed, especially with that scuffle. It was just nonsense. Oh yeah...if anybody saw that game, they would know that every single Mavs fan was CRYING at the arena when they weren't "getting" calls.

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:12 PM

Awww did Mavs fan get their feelings hurt?

SNIFF SNIFF.

Get the fuck out.

i'm on your side here. i'm trying to weed out the Mavs fans that put you in a pissypants mood.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 12:13 PM

don't give SPURS fans on a SPURS board suggestions for lunch, Mavfan.
Just because he has a bone spur or some other injury doesnt mean he couldnt beat some ass

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:14 PM

Just because he has a bone spur or some other injury doesnt mean he couldnt beat some ass

i wouldn't fight him, that's for sure. but i wouldn't fight an 8 year old girl either. what?

mardigan

04-26-2007, 12:14 PM

Taco Bell for lunch?
Grilled stuffed burrito with steak, I think we can all agree thats a good call

mardigan

04-26-2007, 12:14 PM

i wouldn't fight him, that's for sure. but i wouldn't fight an 8 year old girl either. what?
Depends on how much lip she was giving

T Park

04-26-2007, 12:15 PM

You certainly aren't capable of discussing Mavs/Warriors rationally or objectively, and you go from 0-60 over nothing.

:lol

Im fully capable.

When Mavs fan isn't giving this bullshit "The refs had nothing to do with it" thats the only problems I have....

Shank

04-26-2007, 12:16 PM

It's terrible Mexican food (and I did live in SA all through high school, so I've had good Mexican), but at least it's quick and cheap. I always fear the aftermath, though.

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:16 PM

It's terrible Mexican food (and I did live in SA all through high school, so I've had good Mexican), but at least it's quick and cheap. I always fear the aftermath, though.

Taco Bell's Revenge is a terrible illness.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 12:17 PM

It's terrible Mexican food (and I did live in SA all through high school, so I've had good Mexican), but at least it's quick and cheap. I always fear the aftermath, though.
Yea, the severe case of vomit ass is rarely worth it, except when very drunk

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:18 PM

Yea, the severe case of vomit ass is rarely worth it, except when very drunk

LOL "vomit ass" is the perfect description of the after-effects of eating Taco Bell :lmao

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:19 PM

:lol

Im fully capable.

When Mavs fan isn't giving this bullshit "The refs had nothing to do with it" thats the only problems I have....

99% of Mavs fans aren't saying that.

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 12:20 PM

Awww did Mavs fan get their feelings hurt?

SNIFF SNIFF.

Get the fuck out.

My feelings aren't hurt...I'm just laughing my ass off at this place today...it's fucking awesome :lol :lol :lol :lol

DallasFan

04-26-2007, 12:20 PM

I was watching this game going for the warriors of course. I really didn't feel like the warriors were getting as "sterned" as ya'll suggest. Baron started staring down the refs every call and then sarcastically started clapping after the foul call. The second tech was warranted, however the first tech he and Jackson received were not deserved. Jack was just running over to the commotion to get his players out of there. After the first set of techs Davis and Jack really lost their cool and acted like children.

OK guys, here's another perspective that you don't see watching the games on TNT that we do see here on our local channels, which most of you guys don't see (there's not all the commercials, etc such as on TNT):

Steve Jackson was hollering and pointing towards the Mavs bench every single time he made a shot or a block. Baron talks a lot of crap to all the players (I'm sure the Mavs do this too), but he's always scuffeling with them.

In the last game against the Warriors where the starters sat out, Baron Davis got in a heated dispute with Greg Buckner and pushed him. I actually thought that Buckner probably provoked it, but after watching this series, these guys are really immature punks.

The Mavs do their things, but the Warriors show abosolutely no class. Why do you think the Pacers were eager to dump Jackson? These guys are cocky as hell, and after they won game 1, Davis started yelling at the fans and players and clapping. I have absolutely no respect for this team, and I cannot figure out how anybody would root for such a classless team...oh, wait...just the Mav haters.

For what it's worth, I was very happy to see the Spurs win, and hope at least one Texas team makes it to the finals.

George Gervin's Afro

04-26-2007, 12:27 PM

Against the Mavs in the playoffs, the Spurs are lifetime 11-4 against the Mavs in non-Salvatore games and 0-3 in Salvatore reffed games. Lifetime, the Mavs are far and away the best when Salvatore is on the officiating crew.

But yeah, I'm sure that it's all a coincidence.

Damn that is pretty interesting..

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 12:31 PM

mardigan

04-26-2007, 12:32 PM

I'm sure I could find other trends like that using other ref's too...maybe there's a magical Spurs ref too?? :lol
Maybe there is, who knows. But those stats dont lie

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 12:33 PM

In retrospect, seeing all these stats on how great Salvatore calls games in the Mavs favor, I'm REALLY happy he called game 5 of the Finals last year.

DarrinS

04-26-2007, 12:35 PM

I'm sure I could find other trends like that using other ref's too...maybe there's a magical Spurs ref too?? :lol

Dan Crawford

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 12:37 PM

I didn't defend Crawford's actions...I just pointed out what happened by breaking down the replays as far as who was where on the court and what set Crawford off because people here were saying that Duncan didn't even look at Crawford, others were laughing with him, etc...

SEE ABOVE

SEE ABOVE

and I never saw Devin do anything close to what Baron did (ie, screaming right in ref's faces, etc)

Showing up an official is showing up an official. If you didn't see Devin's four year old quality temper tantrum, you weren't watching the game.

DallasFan

04-26-2007, 12:37 PM

I'm sure I could find other trends like that using other ref's too...maybe there's a magical Spurs ref too?? :lol

What I want to know...who took the time to figure that out? And we're whiners? :wtf

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 12:40 PM

Take your own advice. You're one of the biggest homers on here.

If you think I'm one of the biggest homers on there, you're a lot dumber than I thought (which is saying something) :lol

Didn't you start a thread and spew profanity over a game that your team wasn't involved with? We're not on the same side of the bracket, you worry about Spurs-Nuggets and I'll worry about Mavs-Warriors. I don't see Mavs fans posting dozens of threads screaming about the Nuggets getting jobbed.

I'll start a post over anything I want, and no pissant Mavs fan is going to tell me otherwise.

I started this thread over the worst official in pro sports. Yeah, he called your game, so fucking what? If it was Chicago-Detroit I would have done the same fucking thing.

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 12:45 PM

That's telling them what to do, and how dare you do that?

Look, I know you're a troll and a prick, but you look like a douche when you're getting your panties in a bunch about what Spurs fans are saying on a Spurs site.

You certainly aren't capable of discussing Mavs/Warriors rationally or objectively, and you go from 0-60 over nothing.

You don't appear to be able to discuss anything with the Mavs with any objectivity either, so why try to hold someone else to standards you aren't meeting yourself?

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 12:46 PM

Showing up an official is showing up an official. If you didn't see Devin's four year old quality temper tantrum, you weren't watching the game.

I saw what he did, but every player got a tech for doing it, there'd be nobody left on the floor...

Davis got what he deserved...

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 12:48 PM

The Mavs do their things, but the Warriors show abosolutely no class. These guys are cocky as hell, and after they won game 1, Davis started yelling at the fans and players and clapping. .

Sincerely, Jason "I punch guys in the balls over a loose ball" Terry. :rolleyes

Oh no, Davis started yelling at the fans after they won a game! Yeah, I never saw Dirk, Stack, Terry, or Harris do that to SA last year. :rolleyes

Hell, AJ's wife had to be escorted out by security because she was throwing out racial slurs to Spurs fans. And should we even get into Cuban?

Howabout your entire team whining after Wade punked it and Dirk choked like a little bitch last year in the Finals? Yep, your organization is 100% pure class.

Why do you think the Pacers were eager to dump Jackson?

Because they had to break up their youth, and if they would have traded Jermaine the entire front office would have been run out of town by the fans. Not exactly rocket science.

Findog

04-26-2007, 12:48 PM

If you think I'm one of the biggest homers on there, you're a lot dumber than I thought (which is saying something) :lol

Acceptance is the first step towards recovery

I'll start a post over anything I want, and no pissant Mavs fan is going to tell me otherwise.

I started this thread over the worst official in pro sports. Yeah, he called your game, so fucking what? If it was Chicago-Detroit I would have done the same fucking thing

Nobody is telling you what to do -- you have yet to engage in X's and O's, just juvenile namecalling and bitter envy directed towards the Mavericks. If you want to be respected and taken seriously, you have to leave the shallow end of the pool. You started this thread because you cannot give the Mavericks credit when they win or criticize their opponents when they lose. Your hatred is clouding your judgment. Hey, my two favorite teams are the mavs and whoever plays the spurs, but I can calmly and objectively discuss the spurs strengths and weaknesses. Now go back on the porch with all the other young pups, padawan.

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 12:49 PM

I saw what he did, but every player got a tech for doing it, there'd be nobody left on the floor...

Davis got what he deserved...

:rollin

Okay, you win. Terry did it, but didn't deserve a tech because they'd have to T everyone up.

But Baron was a bad, mean person who deserved his. Whatever :lmao

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 12:50 PM

:rollin

Okay, you win. Terry did it, but didn't deserve a tech because they'd have to T everyone up.

But Baron was a bad, mean person who deserved his. Whatever :lmao

Exactly...WHATEVER :lol

Kori Ellis

04-26-2007, 12:50 PM

I'm sure I could find other trends like that using other ref's too...maybe there's a magical Spurs ref too?? :lol

There is.

Danny Crawford - because he's one of the refs that calls the least fouls and that bodes well for the Spurs.

DallasFan

04-26-2007, 12:55 PM

Sincerely, Jason "I punch guys in the balls over a loose ball" Terry. :rolleyes

Oh no, Davis started yelling at the fans after they won a game! Yeah, I never saw Dirk, Stack, Terry, or Harris do that to SA last year. :rolleyes

Whatever dude...the Mavs take their wins and leave court...just as the Spurs do.

Hell, AJ's wife had to be escorted out by security because she was throwing out racial slurs to Spurs fans.

Probably had nothing to do with her being surrounded by Spurs fans giving her a hard time :rolleyes

Howabout your entire team whining after Wade punked it and Dirk choked like a little bitch last year in the Finals? Yep, your organization is 100% pure class.

So the Spurs took their season-ending loss to the Mavs gracefully? I'll give you Cuban...he did go overboard.

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 12:56 PM

Acceptance is the first step towards recovery

Nobody is telling you what to do -- you have yet to engage in X's and O's, just juvenile namecalling and bitter envy directed towards the Mavericks. If you want to be respected and taken seriously, you have to leave the shallow end of the pool. You started this thread because you cannot give the Mavericks credit when they win or criticize their opponents when they lose. Your hatred is clouding your judgment.

When have you ever talked x's and o's? Spare me. The NBA forum i(not to mention this thread) s littered with your juvenile name calling. Pot, meet kettle.

I feel safe in saying I have a lot more respect in this forum than you. If you think I'm worried about garnering your respect, or any other Mavs fan's for that matter, I could give a fuck.

I live in this piece of shit city you call Dallas, and the fans up here the most bandwagon riding, nut riding, biased, homeristic mother fuckers out there. And that's coming from someone who has been exposed to the fan bases of the Spurs, Heat, Lakers, Suns, Rockettes, and Mavs.

So spare me all the ivory tower bullshit when your team is by and large full of two bit chumps, your owner is a douche, your fans are fake, and the vast majority of your posters on this site are a bandwidth black hole.

I started this thread because Bennett Salvatore interjected himself into the outcome of a game that your team probably would have won without his help. That's what makes it all the more pathetic for you and your team.

Your boy AJ is panicking, you can see it with his decisions and play calls, yet thankfully it's tied up at 1-1 because Salvatore put your team over the top with a six minute stretch of officiating in the third quarter.

As far as hatred, yeah when the vast majority of my exposure to the Mavs and its fan base are the idiots like you on this site, yeah, it jades my judgment.

But I enjoy good basketball. My boss is a season ticket holder, and I've gone to some games with him (great seats btw). He and I can rationally discuss basketball, and I give Dallas its props to him because he's actually an intelligent hoops fan.

And you want to know what he said first thing this morning? "Man, I think we would have pulled that out, but it's sad it took all that mess in the third quarter with the refs to remove all doubt."

I guess he's a dumbass Spurs homer that hates the Mavs, despite having Dallas season tickets for 13 years now :rolleyes

Anyway, the point is you and your boys on this site bitch and moan about respect. Well guess what - you have to give respect to get it, and right now your posts don't reflect any respect of the Spurs, its fans, or this kick ass site.

And until you do, expect to be treated like the Mavs trash you currently come off as being.

Good day, chump.

Das Texan

04-26-2007, 12:59 PM

I will agree with Aggie about the nature of the Dallas sports fan, other than the Cowboys.

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 12:59 PM

Whatever dude...the Mavs take their wins and leave court...just as the Spurs do.

That's why AJ was crying last year after our first game. Right, gotcha. That's why the entire Mavs organization paraded itself in front of the cameras after losing game 3 to cry about Miami and Wade. Great point.

Probably had nothing to do with her being surrounded by Spurs fans giving her a hard time :rolleyes

So what? If your organization is as classy as you say it is, they should be able to hold their heads high and above the 'muck'.

So the Spurs took their season-ending loss to the Mavs gracefully? I'll give you Cuban...he did go overboard.

I didn't see Pop, Holt, Manu, Duncan, Tony, Finley, Barry, etc. blaming it all on some vast conspiracy to hook up Dirk with a series win like I heard your boys in Dallas say about Wade.

T Park

04-26-2007, 12:59 PM

Me and aggie go at each other's throats all the time, but its only because I respect his damn opinion, and we just feel each other is wrong.

You mavs chumps on the other friggen hand bring nothing but bullshit.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 01:01 PM

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 01:02 PM

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 01:03 PM

I will agree with Aggie about the nature of the Dallas sports fan, other than the Cowboys.

Sorry, I should have clarified. The Cowboys are ingrained in the culture up here. That is true and pure.

But when it comes to the Stars, Rangers, and especially the Mavs, this city is bandwagon central.

I have a cousin who is an exec at EDS and has had season tickets for about 20 years now. My dad and I used to come up when I was younger and go to Mavs games at Reunion with him. He had third row, THIRD ROW, tickets (still does), and the only time that place ever filled up was when Jordan came to town.

This city didn't give a shit about the Mavs until Cuban bought the franchise and got it into a semi-deep playoff run. Bunch of sheep up here when it comes to sports.

boutons_

04-26-2007, 01:05 PM

Mavs suck
Cuban sucks.
Mavs trolls in this forum all suck horse balls.

Eat horseshit, Mavs trolls, if you don't like what Spurs fans post in a Spurs forum, STFU and GTFO.

T Park

04-26-2007, 01:08 PM

i bring horseshit.

Don;t forget dogshit as well.

Findog

04-26-2007, 01:16 PM

When have you ever talked x's and o's?

So you have reading comprehension issues, then. Your problem, not mine.

I feel safe in saying I have a lot more respect in this forum than you.

I'll let my posts speak for themselves and your posts speak for yours. If anybody is losing their shit and flying off the handle, it is you.

If you think I'm worried about garnering your respect, or any other Mavs fan's for that matter, I could give a fuck.

I neither ask for, nor crave your "respect." Also, I'm a Longhorn alumnus, you're an Aggie. By definition, you've already lost any argument with me.

live in this piece of shit city you call Dallas, and the fans up here the most bandwagon riding, nut riding, biased, homeristic mother fuckers out there. And that's coming from someone who has been exposed to the fan bases of the Spurs, Heat, Lakers, Suns, Rockettes, and Mavs.

Well, good for you. Every fanbase has homer idiots. You haven't revealed anything new. Although I'm sure you're familiar with homer traits since you exhibit them. Caveat about "takes one to know one," etc.

So spare me all the ivory tower bullshit when your team is by and large full of two bit chumps, your owner is a douche, your fans are fake, and the vast majority of your posters on this site are a bandwidth black hole.

I am only responsible for my behavior and actions, not anybody else's. As for your psychological projection, let's see, characterizing a 67-15 team as "chumps," referring to a guy who resurrected a dead franchise as a "douche," and using guilt by association tactics, when I've followed my team since Aguirre/Blackman and had to suffer through the nineties, yeah, I'm just like the 14 yr old girls with pink Dirk jerseys. I don't really feel a need to retort, I'll just let your comments speak for themselves. Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself.

I started this thread because Bennett Salvatore interjected himself into the outcome of a game that your team probably would have won without his help. That's what makes it all the more pathetic for you and your team.

No, you started this thread because a poor official tossed out two guys on a team that was destined to lose anyway. I'm no more a fan of Salvatore than you are, but let's stop pretending that your anti-Mavs bias wasn't a motivation.

Your boy AJ is panicking, you can see it with his decisions and play calls, yet thankfully it's tied up at 1-1 because Salvatore put your team over the top with a six minute stretch of officiating in the third quarter.

AJ outsmarted himself in Game 1, but it's not the Mavericks that had the psychological meltdown last night. And yet here again is your homer bias -- The Mavericks put themselves up by playing Diop and Dampier, thus clogging the paint and tiring the Warriors out. Golden State started getting tired and began settling for pullup jumpers, and on the other end, every Maverick but Dirk got the memo that the Warriors have no interior defense and began attacking the rim. See, that's X's and O's, what you wrote is bitter grapes.

As far as hatred, yeah when the vast majority of my exposure to the Mavs and its fan base are the idiots like you on this site, yeah, it jades my judgment.

It's a shame that you can't discuss the game and have to resort to juvenile namecalling and psychological projection -- it's bizarre, whatever you are, you see it in others. Bennett Salvatore didn't force the Warriors to commit 24 turnovers, or shoot 4-20 from three-point land, or jack up jumpers all game long, nor did he construct a roster that has no decent interior defenders. It's not Bennett Salvatore's fault that Jet, J-Ho and Harris did whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted, when Dallas had the ball, or that we outrebounded the Warriors, nor is it his fault Al Harrington, Jason Richardson and Baron Davis all played like shit. See, that's called discussing the game. What you're doing is an exercise in sour grapes because you want Golden State to win the series and avoid a rematch with us in the conference finals.

That's understandable, I wish miracle of miracles the Lakers somehow made it to face us in the conference finals, but the Spurs are a terrific team and I can give them credit. But I don't let it color my judgment or resort to 3rd grade debating tactics. Me: "Dallas won because of X and Y...." You: "You're a fucking idiot. Refs gave it to them. Mavs fans are a bunch of homer trolls. We have three rings, you have none. Fuck you! Idiot!"

Anyway, the point is you and your boys on this site bitch and moan about respect. Well guess what - you have to give respect to get it, and right now your posts don't reflect any respect of the Spurs, its fans, or this kick ass site.

Who are "my boys"? Where have I bitched about the Mavs not getting respect? Don't respond to strawman arguments, do me the favor of coming up with a well-reasoned response using facts and logic.

And you want to know what he said first thing this morning?

No, I don't.

DubMcDub

04-26-2007, 01:23 PM

:lol :lol :lol At Spurs fans in this thread so scared of the Mavericks that they're taking on GS as their own team.

Findog

04-26-2007, 01:24 PM

Sorry, I should have clarified. The Cowboys are ingrained in the culture up here. That is true and pure.

But when it comes to the Stars, Rangers, and especially the Mavs, this city is bandwagon central.

I have a cousin who is an exec at EDS and has had season tickets for about 20 years now. My dad and I used to come up when I was younger and go to Mavs games at Reunion with him. He had third row, THIRD ROW, tickets (still does), and the only time that place ever filled up was when Jordan came to town.

This city didn't give a shit about the Mavs until Cuban bought the franchise and got it into a semi-deep playoff run. Bunch of sheep up here when it comes to sports.

Nobody cares. Every fanbase has idiots. If the Spurs ever fall back to their losing ways of the mid to late eighties, interest in them will drop off among fair-weather fans. I GAVE a shit. I had to suffer through Greg Dreiling, Terry Davis and Walter Bond, and I can tell you all about falling in love with basketball thanks to the 87-88 Mavericks. If you want to argue against strawmen, go ahead, I nor anybody else feels the need to defend bandwagoners. However, that's your default response to any Mavs fan that defends their team or criticizes yours. You have to learn how to debate instead of just engaging in ad hominem attacks and painting with a broad brush.

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 01:26 PM

Nobody cares. Every fanbase has idiots. If the Spurs ever fall back to their losing ways of the mid to late eighties, interest in them will drop off among fair-weather fans. I GAVE a shit. I had to suffer through Greg Dreiling, Terry Davis and Walter Bond, and I can tell you all about falling in love with basketball thanks to the 87-88 Mavericks. If you want to argue against strawmen, go ahead, I nor anybody else feels the need to defend bandwagoners. However, that's your default response to any Mavs fan that defends their team or criticizes yours. You have to learn how to debate instead of just engaging in ad hominem attacks and painting with a broad brush.

well, the Mavs do have alot more bandwagon fans than the average team. I guarantee you more Spurs fans know who guys like Leon Smith and Fat Lever are than the majority of Mavs fans here.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 01:27 PM

mardigan

04-26-2007, 01:28 PM

:lol :lol :lol At Spurs fans in this thread so scared of the Mavericks that they're taking on GS as their own team.
Same as all the Mav fans cheering on Denver pendejo, thats what you do when you hate another team

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 01:29 PM

Jimmy Jackson was the best Mav of all time

the Three-J's were great. I wonder what would have been if Jim Cleamons, injuries, and Toni Braxton didn't ruin them.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 01:31 PM

the Three-J's were great. I wonder what would have been if Jim Cleamons, injuries, and Toni Braxton didn't ruin them.
:lol at Toni Braxton. They would have been a great team if they could have gotten past their egos and injuries. They had so much damn talent. Too bad Tarpley couldnt ever get his shit together. Man the old Mavs had it rough

DubMcDub

04-26-2007, 01:33 PM

Same as all the Mav fans cheering on Denver pendejo, thats what you do when you hate another team

Funny, I hate the Spurs pretty thoroughly and I'm not cheering on Denver. In fact, if you took a quick look at the Mavs message boards the amount of cheering for Denver is microscopically small compared to the full-fledged Warriors love fest going on here.

Just goes to show who's scared of who.

Kori Ellis

04-26-2007, 01:35 PM

:lol :lol :lol At Spurs fans in this thread so scared of the Mavericks that they're taking on GS as their own team.

Maybe fear of the Mavs is part of it - but it's probably moreso the Stephen Jackson factor. Tons of people (me included) love SJax.

But I like the Warriors for a lot of reasons - Stephen Jackson, 2 UCLA players, and an Ellis. You can't go wrong. :lol

monosylab1k

04-26-2007, 01:35 PM

:lol at Toni Braxton. They would have been a great team if they could have gotten past their egos and injuries. They had so much damn talent. Too bad Tarpley couldnt ever get his shit together. Man the old Mavs had it rough

yeah. I think if Cleamons hadn't confused the hell out of them with his installing of the triangle, they would have had a better attitude about things and Nellie might not have shipped them all off.

i liked the Kidd trade cuz it netted us Finley and eventually caused us to get Nash. but imagine if we kept Jackson and Mash...this could have been our lineup eventually...

Nash
Finley
Jackson
Mashburn
Nowitzki

Ceballos & Juwan Howard off the bench

...that would have been the ultimate smallball lineup. probably would have won about the same, but those guys would have been DAMN FUN to watch.

Findog

04-26-2007, 01:36 PM

well, the Mavs do have alot more bandwagon fans than the average team. I guarantee you more Spurs fans know who guys like Leon Smith and Fat Lever are than the majority of Mavs fans here.

The Mavs don't have the history of winning that the Spurs do. For a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the Spurs fanbase of the late eighties in between Gervin and Robinson to what the Mavs had right before Cuban bought the team. I doubt Hemisphere Arena (or was it H. Center?) was rocking and sold out every night. The reason the Cowboys can still draw when they're down is five superbowl titles and the fact that football is a more popular sport than basketball in the state of Texas. Another factor is that San Antonio is a one-team town, whereas Dallas has franchises for the three major pro sports leagues, plus hockey.

It doesn't really matter whether the Spurs have less or more bandwagon homers, I'd be inclined to agree that the Mavericks fanbase includes more, but so what? What does that have to do with anything? Hardcore fans like you and me that were there during the dark days and know the Ballad of Roy Tarpley by heart don't come here to post "DIRK RULEZ! FUCK TONY LONGORIA! MAVSZ IS THU SHIZNITT!"

It's a classic debating maneuver on Aggiefan's part: deflect the issue and turn the topic to an easy strawman to knockdown, rather than admit that theofficiating didn't cost GS the game. In one breath he claims that the refs stole it for Golden State, and then in another post, he claims "Oh yeah, Mavs probably would've won, but it's just Bennett Salvatore I'm upset about." Pick a lane, please. If he wants to bitch about Salvatore, I'm ready to supply my own vitriol, but if he wants to claim that the refs handed us the victory last night, that completely ignores what Dallas did right and what Golden State did wrong. Anytime BS is involved, both teams are going to get bad calls going against them.

DarrinS

04-26-2007, 01:36 PM

:lol :lol :lol At Spurs fans in this thread so scared of the Mavericks that they're taking on GS as their own team.

:rolleyes

I actually want the Mavs to win that series. I just want the refs to be less noticeable in the games.

Extra Stout

04-26-2007, 01:37 PM

Funny, I hate the Spurs pretty thoroughly and I'm not cheering on Denver. In fact, if you took a quick look at the Mavs message boards the amount of cheering for Denver is microscopically small compared to the full-fledged Warriors love fest going on here.

Just goes to show who's scared of who.
There is little doubt that a lot of Spurs fans hope somebody else takes out the Mavericks so that the Spurs don't have to face them, even if those Spurs fans are not willing to admit it.

DubMcDub

04-26-2007, 01:37 PM

Maybe fear of the Mavs is part of it - but it's probably moreso the Stephen Jackson factor. Tons of people (me included) love SJax.

But I like the Warriors for a lot of reasons - Stephen Jackson, 2 UCLA players, and an Ellis. You can't go wrong. :lol

Fair enough. I never really saw Spurs fans as loving him I guess--I realize that he played a critical role in a championship winning team but I figure that was awhile ago and now he's obviously not a Spur anymore.

That said, that really doesn't explain the clamor in the first few pages of this thread about every call that went agaisnt the Warriors, SJax or not. Unless the love for SJax is so powerful that it ignites everyone here into a Warrior frenzy? Maybe it does...

BeerIsGood!

04-26-2007, 01:37 PM

The Spurs would be a lot easier to cheer against if their owner insulted the people of Dallas every meeting and basically acts like an asshole 99% of the time. Not to mention if Spurs players were cheapshoting Mavs in the nuts. Or if virtually every time the teams played the game was handed to the Spurs by the refs. Just some reasons...

Despot

04-26-2007, 01:38 PM

I'm all for anything that makes the Mavs work as hard as possible before the WCF.

DubMcDub

04-26-2007, 01:38 PM

:rolleyes

I actually want the Mavs to win that series. I just want the refs to be less noticeable in the games.

I don't recall naming you specifically. Check out pages 1-3 of this very thread and you'll see who I'm referring to.

nkdlunch

04-26-2007, 01:40 PM

Maybe fear of the Mavs is part of it - but it's probably moreso the Stephen Jackson factor. Tons of people (me included) love SJax.

But I like the Warriors for a lot of reasons - Stephen Jackson, 2 UCLA players, and an Ellis. You can't go wrong. :lol

Kori, you love SJAx??!?

he's a fucking idiot. I admit he has mad game but I would never say I love that crazy nut

DallasFan

04-26-2007, 01:40 PM

Sorry, I should have clarified. The Cowboys are ingrained in the culture up here. That is true and pure.

But when it comes to the Stars, Rangers, and especially the Mavs, this city is bandwagon central.

I'd have to disagree with you on the Mavs...they are really getting popular and are setting a standard on the future of the organization. They still need to win it all though...San Antonio only has the Spurs so most residents are probably die hard fans...if you guys suddenly inherited a an NFL team, "bangwagonning" would occur.

I personally am more of a Cowboys fan (football in general), but I want to see the men in blue do it this year. I have endured the pain of watching the "old Mavs" as well.

Kori Ellis

04-26-2007, 01:41 PM

Kori, you love SJAx??!?

he's a fucking idiot. I admit he has mad game but I would never say I love that crazy nut

He's my favorite Spur. :lol

angel_luv

04-26-2007, 01:42 PM

He's my favorite Spur. :lol

I had thought Bruce was.

Kori Ellis

04-26-2007, 01:42 PM

I had thought Bruce was.

Bruce is my favorite current Spur.

DarrinS

04-26-2007, 01:42 PM

I've lost a lot of respect for SJax since that whole fiasco in Detroit. He seems to make really retarded decisions.

Kori Ellis

04-26-2007, 01:44 PM

I've lost a lot of respect for SJax since that whole fiasco in Detroit. He seems to make really retarded decisions.

Oh, I agree.

But he wasn't making those type of decisions in San Antonio. He's a guy who needs discipline and a good environment.

Useruser666

04-26-2007, 01:48 PM

DarrinS

04-26-2007, 01:48 PM

Oh, I agree.

But he wasn't making those type of decisions in San Antonio. He's a guy who needs discipline and a good environment.

True. I guess being around Ron Artest didn't help.

DubMcDub

04-26-2007, 01:50 PM

Question about a call that happened in the War/Mav game....

The play where Ellis an Barnes were trying to in bound the pass after a Josh Howard(I believe) made a layup, why was a violation called there? Neither player had stepped out of bounds, the ball had not yet been inbounded at that point. I looked at it a few times and don't see a violation. Anyone else catch that?

Nah it was actually cause whichever one of them inbounded it had a foot inbounds when he tossed it in. You have to be standing completely out of bounds before you inbound the ball.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 01:51 PM

S-Jax is one of my favorite Spurs of all time. I have never seen a player who could make me so mad on the court, and then 30 seconds later make me jump out of my chair screaming in joy

stretch

04-26-2007, 01:51 PM

Jimmy Jackson was the best Mav of all time
What about Evan Eshemeyer?

Useruser666

04-26-2007, 01:54 PM

Nah it was actually cause whichever one of them inbounded it had a foot inbounds when he tossed it in. You have to be standing completely out of bounds before you inbound the ball.

I don't believe you are right. That way of having only one foot out of bounds happens every game and is never called. I believe the ref thought that Ellis was out of bounds when he made the first pass, when he actually wasn't. Unless there is a rule about passing the ball back and forth before you take it out of bounds and pass it in then I'm at a loss.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 01:55 PM

What about Evan Eshemeyer?
Why dont you look at his stats in Dallas in the early to mid 90s and try to compare the two again

DarrinS

04-26-2007, 01:57 PM

Bruce is my favorite current Spur.

Elson is my favorite. :depressed

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 02:00 PM

S-Jax is one of my favorite Spurs of all time. I have never seen a player who could make me so mad on the court, and then 30 seconds later make me jump out of my chair screaming in joy

Game 6...I was there...when he and Kerr broke our hearts... :cry :cry :bang :bang

angel_luv

04-26-2007, 02:02 PM

Game 6...I was there...when he and Kerr broke our hearts... :cry :cry :bang :bang

You guys have those?

angel_luv

04-26-2007, 02:03 PM

mardigan

04-26-2007, 02:04 PM

Game 6...I was there...when he and Kerr broke our hearts... :cry :cry :bang :bang
That must have been a rough game to be at

baseline bum

04-26-2007, 02:04 PM

Game 6...I was there...when he and Kerr broke our hearts... :cry :cry :bang :bang
You guys have those?

:lmao

stretch

04-26-2007, 03:47 PM

Why dont you look at his stats in Dallas in the early to mid 90s and try to compare the two again
You're right. He's far superior. No question about it.

Obstructed_View

04-26-2007, 04:05 PM

Nah it was actually cause whichever one of them inbounded it had a foot inbounds when he tossed it in. You have to be standing completely out of bounds before you inbound the ball.
Sorry, but you are completely wrong. It was a bad call. 100 percent. I rewound and watched it a couple of times. Nobody was standing out of bounds. He had both feet in bounds, tossed it to his teammate, stepped out of bounds and got the ball back to throw it in. It looked awkward but there was no violation.

mardigan

04-26-2007, 04:06 PM

You're right. He's far superior. No question about it.

This is sarcasm, no?

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 04:10 PM

That must have been a rough game to be at

...with 2 guys in Manu jersey's sitting in front of me... :cry

Sorry, but you are completely wrong. It was a bad call. 100 percent. I rewound and watched it a couple of times. Nobody was standing out of bounds. He had both feet in bounds, tossed it to his teammate, stepped out of bounds and got the ball back to throw it in. It looked awkward but there was no violation.

2 in one day...wtf?

I didn't see the violation either...I can see why it was confusing to the ref though...it happened quick and looked really odd...

Obstructed_View

04-26-2007, 04:18 PM

I didn't see the violation either...I can see why it was confusing to the ref though...it happened quick and looked really odd...
Yeah, he should have just taken the ball out of bounds; there was no need for the extra pass. That's part of players having a high basketball IQ. You don't try to draw a charge in certain situations because you are forcing the ref to make a call. You don't try a jump stop in certain situations because you might get called for a travel. You don't throw the ball back and forth before inbounding it because the official may not be looking at your feet.

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 04:32 PM

Comparing FT attempts if fucking worthless if you're trying to make the point that the Mavs are being favored by the refs, you dipshit... :bang

Obstructed_View

04-26-2007, 04:33 PM

Buck Rogers only posts up to complain about officiating. I still agree with his conclusion.

Obstructed_View

04-26-2007, 04:34 PM

And the only thing stupider than BR crossposting this idiocy is someone crossposting the exact same response. :lol

CubanMustGo

04-26-2007, 04:35 PM

True, but hasn't this been discussed in one (or 20) of the other 72 threads?

Shank

04-26-2007, 04:46 PM

probably, but I want it easy for the common mavs fan to understand that the league is giving them games.

The league is handing out game 2 of a first round series against the Warriors? Makes sense.

td4mvp21

04-26-2007, 04:56 PM

I don't know why we should give a fuck what the refs do in Dallas unless we are playing them. From what I saw, GS was just jacking up threes and errant jumpers. Dallas was actually being agressive, unlike they had been for Game 1 and the first half of Game 2. There were bad calls against GS, but its called homecourt people. Get used to it, it's never going to change.

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 05:02 PM

From what I saw, GS was just jacking up threes and errant jumpers. Dallas was actually being agressive, unlike they had been for Game 1 and the first half of Game 2. There were bad calls against GS, but its called homecourt people. Get used to it, it's never going to change.

Wow...a Spurs fan admitting that Dallas drove to the rim a bunch in that game...THAT is the main reason for the FTA difference...

Findog

04-26-2007, 05:14 PM

Wow...a Spurs fan admitting that Dallas drove to the rim a bunch in that game...THAT is the main reason for the FTA difference...

Yes, Virginia, there are intellectually honest Spurs fans. It's funny, I'm not paying any attention to the Nuggets-Spurs, I fully expect San Antonio to win in 6 and then take care of Phoenix. Meanwhile, TPark and Aggiefan are beside themselves that the Mavericks GASP, actually won a game, something that has already happened 67 times previously, and we have 18 million threads devoted to whining about how the refs gave them the game -- no mention of Golden State's 24 turnovers, or their poor shot selection, or getting outrebounded, or Davis, Harrington and Richardson no showing, or the lack of interior defenders on their roster, or the fact that the Mavericks attacked the basket instead of settling for jumpers, or any of the other reasons why Dallas deserved to win and Golden State deserved to lose.

The Mavs had a stupid smallball strategy in Game One, didnt execute and got outplayed. Pure and Simple. They made necessary adjustments, executed better, and won Game Two. Also pretty simple. And yet the Spurs homer trolls just want to talk about Bennett Salvatore and drag their knuckles, breath through their mouths and scream about "bandwagon fans" and "trolls" and "Bennett Salvatore." It's embarrassing

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 05:21 PM

no mention of Golden State's 24 turnovers, or their poor shot selection, or getting outrebounded, or Davis, Harrington and Richardson no showing, or the lack of interior defenders on their roster, or the fact that the Mavericks attacked the basket instead of settling for jumpers

Let's just not worry about all that so much... :lol

DubMcDub

04-26-2007, 05:34 PM

Sorry, but you are completely wrong. It was a bad call. 100 percent. I rewound and watched it a couple of times. Nobody was standing out of bounds. He had both feet in bounds, tossed it to his teammate, stepped out of bounds and got the ball back to throw it in. It looked awkward but there was no violation.

I don't have the tape. I was going by what Reggie Miller said.

It's nice to know that Spurs fans are hanging their hats so much on GS that you'd go look that up just to prove me wrong, though.

SpursWoman

04-26-2007, 05:40 PM

I don't have the tape. I was going by what Reggie Miller said.

It's nice to know that Spurs fans are hanging their hats so much on GS that you'd go look that up just to prove me wrong, though.

User (who originally asked the question) & I also rewound that several times last night and aside from how odd it looked, couldn't see the violation. It really had nothing to do with you. :lol

T Park

04-26-2007, 05:42 PM

Mavs fans definately have a Napoleon complex.

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 06:03 PM

LEONARD

04-26-2007, 06:05 PM

It's not a fan base. It's the entire town. :lol

Your sig is too big...change it please. Thanks...

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 06:05 PM

Funny, I hate the Spurs pretty thoroughly and I'm not cheering on Denver. In fact, if you took a quick look at the Mavs message boards the amount of cheering for Denver is microscopically small compared to the full-fledged Warriors love fest going on here.

Just goes to show who's scared of who.

To echo Kori's sentiments, I'm a Buckets fan (SJax).

Also, honestly, they're loose cannons, but Golden State is fun as hell to watch.

My two favorite teams outside of the Spurs are the Warriors and Bulls. Sorry I'm not bowing down to your suck team.

Findog

04-26-2007, 06:34 PM

It's not a fan base. It's the entire town. :lol

You lose all credibility when you say things like that. Once again, Longhorns Own Aggies.

It's your stated position that Bennett Salvatore cost the Dubs the game, and that all mavs fans are annoying trolls and bandwagon fans. Not a word about the 24 turnovers the Warriors committed, their atrocious shot selection, being outrebounded, no interior defenders on their roster, 4-20 from three point range, Harrington, Richardson and Davis not showing up, no X's and O's analysis and honest reflection of why Game 2 turned out as it did. Here's my take on Game 1: Avery went small, it didn't work, Mavs didn't execute, Warriors deserved to win. You are not intellectually honest, and instead of using facts, logic and reason, you just whine about "bandwagon fans" and Bennett Salvatore.

Now I understand you're upset that I've repeatedly owned you in our exchange, just as my team has owned yours the past two seasons, but you're going to have to bring rational, objective analysis if you want to have any hope of winning an argument.

1Parker1

04-26-2007, 06:35 PM

Remarkable that officials seem most concerned with being ridiculed when they're calling games in Dallas.

Truly, truly remarkable.

:lol :tu That had to be the most ridiculous, lopsided officiating I've ever seen...I can't even understand what Baron did to get the first tech? It should've been Barnes.

Either way, things like this about the NBA really turn me off as a fan...

FromWayDowntown

04-26-2007, 06:41 PM

Your sig is too big...change it please. Thanks...

Why can't you just turn off signatures?

T Park

04-26-2007, 06:41 PM

Now I understand you're upset that I've repeatedly owned you in our exchange, just as my team has owned yours the past two seasons, but you're going to have to bring rational, objective analysis if you want to have any hope of winning an argument.

Just because you say you've owned him doesn't make it friggen so.

All your doing is denying the refs role.

Findog

04-26-2007, 06:57 PM

Just because you say you've owned him doesn't make it friggen so.

All your doing is denying the refs role.

Mavs lose -- other team played better.

Mavs win -- refs responsible.

No further discussion necessary.

It's nice to agree with the headbobbers and get in on the circle jerk action. Dallas won the game fair and square, and Mavs fans are secure and confident enough that we don't need to post umpteen threads about how the refs robbed the Nuggets blind last night.

Salvatore is a horrible ref. There were bad calls that went against both teams last night. That's all you're going to get out of me or anybody else that isn't blinded by homer glasses.

T Park

04-26-2007, 07:03 PM

Mavs lose -- other team played better.

Mavs win -- refs responsible.

No further discussion necessary.

It's nice to agree with the headbobbers and get in on the circle jerk action. Dallas won the game fair and square, and Mavs fans are secure and confident enough that we don't need to post umpteen threads about how the refs robbed the Nuggets blind last night.

Salvatore is a horrible ref. There were bad calls that went against both teams last night. That's all you're going to get out of me or anybody else that isn't blinded by homer glasses.

:lol

Yes, because maverick fan is VERY grounded and objective.

GTFO.

baseline bum

04-26-2007, 07:30 PM

Salvatore usually favors Dallas, but nothing like Eddie F. Rush (who the Spurs hardly ever beat). On the flip-side, Dallas' record with Dan Crawford is almost as lopsided (against them) as it is when Rush calls games (for them).

Holmes_Fans

04-26-2007, 07:54 PM

I love how no spurs fans are complaining about the first half when Dallas was being ass raped by the refs.

picnroll

04-26-2007, 08:34 PM

I love how no spurs fans are complaining about the first half when Dallas was being ass raped by the refs.

Come again.

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 09:37 PM

You lose all credibility when you say things like that. Once again, Longhorns Own Aggies.

Wait, I lose all credibility, but then you say "longhorns own aggies"? Yeah, that's *real* credible.

It's your stated position that Bennett Salvatore cost the Dubs the game, and that all mavs fans are annoying trolls and bandwagon fans.

If you could fucking read, I said Dallas was on its way to winning the game before Bennett decided to end it. What is so hard to comprehend? I know there's a lot of hot air and bullshit in Dallas, but try and fight through it to read and comprehend a statement already.

Now I understand you're upset that I've repeatedly owned you in our exchange, just as my team has owned yours the past two seasons, but you're going to have to bring rational, objective analysis if you want to have any hope of winning an argument.

:lol The only thing you've owned in this thread is the position of Mavs poster with his head furthest up his ass. The fact that you have to claim that you owned someone, when you've only got one other person in this thread agreeing with you (Leonard) speaks louder to ownage than any cute quote of yours.

Rational, objective analysis? You mean like calling Baron Davis the glass man, or saying 'longhorns own aggies' because you couldn't get into either so you chose to be a bandwagon horn fan?

Yeah, maybe one day I can be lucky enough be as rational and logical as you :lmao

Obstructed_View

04-26-2007, 10:32 PM

I don't have the tape. I was going by what Reggie Miller said.

It's nice to know that Spurs fans are hanging their hats so much on GS that you'd go look that up just to prove me wrong, though.
First of all, douchebag, I was watching the game live, and rewound the PVR to confirm it was a bad call. Sorry for being a basketball fan. That's why I know more about the Mavericks than 90 percent of the Mavs fans. Second, Reggie Miller did exactly what you did: Made a judgment about it that was completely wrong without bothering to make sure of the facts.

It's nice to know that Mavs fans are still combative dumbasses.

Aggie Hoopsfan

04-26-2007, 10:44 PM

I love how no spurs fans are complaining about the first half when Dallas was being ass raped by the refs.

If by ass raped you mean the Mavs shooting more free throws (16 to GS's 11) and GS getting more fouls called on them (15 team fouls to 11 for Dallas), then yeah, the Mavs sure took it up the ass last night in the first half :rolleyes

Shank

04-26-2007, 10:46 PM

Wow.

A worthless 17-page pissing match.

Obstructed_View

04-26-2007, 10:48 PM

If by ass raped you mean the Mavs shooting more free throws (16 to GS's 11) and GS getting more fouls called on them (15 team fouls to 11 for Dallas), then yeah, the Mavs sure took it up the ass last night in the first half :rolleyes
Now you understand the Mav fan mindset. If the Mavs don't have an overwhelming advantage at the line, then someone's out to get them and life isn't fair. Isn't it fun playing against someone who accuses everyone of cheating when they lose and gloats when they win? The mere presence of so many Mavs fans is lowering the collective class of Spurs fans.

Findog

04-26-2007, 11:27 PM

Wait, I lose all credibility, but then you say "longhorns own aggies"? Yeah, that's *real* credible.

You have no sense of humor.

If you could fucking read, I said Dallas was on its way to winning the game before Bennett decided to end it. What is so hard to comprehend?

Dude, at least TRY and show impartiality. Geez, if it's going to go back to California tied up at one game a piece, at least let it be due to the play on the court.

Own your words. You questioned Salvatore's integrity, not his competence. Own your words. Do not argue X and later claim you argued Y.

You mean like calling Baron Davis the glass man,

I'm sorry, but are you saying that Baron Davis ISN'T a brittle, injury-prone athlete? And I called him "Mr. Glass," not "the Glass Man." Did you not get the reference? Do I need to provide you with the relevant IMDB link?

or saying 'longhorns own aggies' because you couldn't get into either so you chose to be a bandwagon horn fan?

Well, it is true that I never bothered to apply to Texas A&M, because I had no desire to go to school there. I am, however, a UT alumnus -- Class of 2001. I had child psychology with Ricky Williams -- very nice guy, not at all like most entitled, spoiled college athletes, but that's a story for another thread.