Bennett Salvatore

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lol Dude, at least TRY and show impartiality. Geez, if it's going to go back to California tied up at one game a piece, at least let it be due to the play on the court.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:rollin This is ridiculous.

[T Park]

Hell of a job by the Warriors to keep it as close as it is, in despite of all this BS.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I just never want to hear another single, solitary Mavs puke come on this site and say a word about the NBA Finals last year. This game is ridiculous.

[bonesinaz]

I hope the Warriors can somehow pull this out. They are keeping it close enough to do it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Davis goes in on the drive, gets hacked, no call. Bumps Terry on the rebound, foul on Baron. :rollin

[T Park]

get it down to 7 and damn let em get it right back.

SHIT.

[T Park]

I just never want to hear another single, solitary Mavs puke come on this site and say a word about the NBA Finals last year. This game is ridiculous.

You fuckin know those asshats will.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Jump ball. Bwahahahahahahaha.

How does Stackhouse get a jump ball call when he never gets his hands on the ball?

And now a crap call at the other end to bail out Stack losing the basketball.

This is a fucking joke :lol

And now a technical, throws Baron out :lmao

[sammy]

Man, the refs are really bailing the Mav bitches! Ridiculous bogus calls, what a bunch of BS!

[Leetonidas]

This is ridiculous. That should not have been a jump ball at all. Totally biased officiating.

[Leetonidas]

Davis has been ejected. Jesus Christ.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Go Mavs Go. $igned, $tern.

[bonesinaz]

Salvatore should get the Crawford treatment.

[sammy]

What bullshit is this that they throw out Baron Davis! What kind of Bullshit it this! Sons of bitches! I guess these fucking chokers can't win fairly and have to have the fucking refs bail their asses out!

[T Park]

THEY TOSSED OUT BARON!?!?

Man, fuck you mavericks, FUCK YOU!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is the kind of shit that will keep me from ever buying a ticket to an NBA game again. Fucking bullshit.

[T Park]

WTF, is with the Mavericks and getting the other team's best player tossed?


Goddamn. YOu fuckin Mavs clows, I can't WAIT to hear the BS you'll come up with to justify this shit.

[T Park]

Man.

If the fuckin warriors could somehow , just, make some threes, get hot...

[FromWayDowntown]

Remarkable that officials seem most concerned with being ridiculed when they're calling games in Dallas.

Truly, truly remarkable.

[T Park]

This should've been seen a million miles away after the way Cuban acted after game 1.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Remarkable that officials seem most concerned with being ridiculed when they're calling games in Dallas.

Truly, truly remarkable.

I knew we were destined for a Bennett Salvatore special (after all, that's what he does best), but the jump ball - foul on Baron - technical foul/ejection sequence was over the top.

Stern should be ashamed of this shit.

[T Park]

Its the fuckin playoffs, the refs can't look the other way on fuckin Baron.

Absolute bullshit.

Fuck you David Stern.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

25 fouls on the Warriors so far. Go for the jugular, Bavetta :lol

[T Park]

man it would be sweet if Jack and Harrington can bag some goddamn threes.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The great part about all this is BDavis is going to go nuclear in game 3. I can't wait.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

man it would be sweet if Jack and Harrington can bag some goddamn threes.

They can't, they're too busy getting whistled for traveling with Josh Howard straddling them :rolleyes

[Kevin Blackistone]

This is an absolute joke. This is the same BS that they did to the Spurs in the 2nd quarter of game 2 and the 4th quarters of games 3 and 4 of last year's second round. It looks so fake it's glaring.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Come on Golden State! 7-0 run. Time for Bennett to start inventing foul calls again :rolleyes

[T Park]

YEAH down to 9!!!

GO WARRRIORS!!!!

[Duncanoypi]

d-whistle is in dallas now..

way to complain in last years nba finals..

[nkdlunch]

what bullshit.

Dallas are a bunch of pussies. they gotta get the opposing team's best players ejected to have a chance.

[T Park]

They can't, they're too busy getting whistled for traveling with Josh Howard straddling them


Yeah I know.

With B Diddy out, Jack, Ellis, and J Rich have just gotta perservere.

Al Harrington has been REALLY dissapointing.

Hes been turned into a bad shooting role player :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So far what I can tell from the 4th quarter is that Stephen Jackson can't stumble in the post with Howard shoving him in the back, but Howard can take steps on the perimeter with no one with in ten feet of him.

:tu for Bennett Salvatore.

[T Park]

YEAH JACK!!

Cut it 8 baby.

[T Park]

man Biedrins, rebound the damn ball, your the most athletic big guy out there...

[sammy]

I would love to see Golden State give the bitch Howard or Terry a hard foul!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lol over the back by Diop. Perfectly legal in Dallas :tu

[Kevin Blackistone]

The Dallas fans have the nerve to complain about the foul on Diop. What bitches

[T Park]

Jackson gonna have a 30 point game.

Damn, props to him....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:rollin :rollin :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

Stack misses dunk, no foul by Barnes, but Bennett with the whistle.

:lmao

[T Park]

:lol

How many fouls is GS up to, about 31?

[FromWayDowntown]

Mav fan should be screaming for a technical foul on Diop right now. He applauded after an opponent missed a FT, and those guys were convinced that Duncan deserved his first T in that game at Dallas a couple of weeks ago because he applauded a missed FT. Bad sportsmanship.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Stephen Jackson is the fucking man.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Buckets! Yeah.

[T Park]

Salvatore needs to be taken out back and tea bagged.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dirk misses, Barnes contesting, Bennett with the whistle :lol

[T Park]

FOUL ON BARNES!!! :lmao

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We should start a vBookie for Bennett's next call against GS.

* Travel
* Blocking foul
* Hack
* Moving screen

:lol

[sammy]

What bull shit is that? Crackhouse missed and was blocked and they call a foul! I'm so angry and I really hate this shit! If you are going to get a bogus call called against you, foul the sons of bitches hard and take them out as well!

[nkdlunch]

this is the worst officiating since 2006 west 2nd round Spurs vs. Mavs - game 2. officiated by Salvatore, who ejected VanX in 2nd quarter... shall I go on?

[T Park]

This just, it hurts to watch, when the one team isn't even given a chance.

Are the Warriors taking it ok? Or are they givin the refs the business.

[T Park]

We should start a vBookie for Bennett's next call against GS.

* Travel
* Blocking foul
* Hack
* Moving screen

20 on travel

[Kevin Blackistone]

I'm not even a GS fan and I think this is rigged so bad it's not even funny. Why can't the Spurs get this kind of treatment? Get either AI or Melon tossed every game

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So... you go to the AAC. Duncan gets tossed for laughing, Davis for clapping. Pretty convenient, huh?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If GS is going to get tagged for everything, start knocking the fuck out of Terry and Harris. At this point, make it worth it.

[T Park]

Is that all Davis did to get tossed?

:lol

Llooks like i lost the vbookie, looks like jump ball.

[sammy]

I've already sent my complaint to the fucking NBA regarding this BS officiating! Poor Warriors unable to play at all because of the fucking Salvatore who's trigger happy to bail out the Mavs!

[T Park]

Well that takes out one of GS's threats in barnes.

Congrats Bennet.

[hater]

they would suspend their ass and make it easier for mavs.

warriors are being very smart.

will come in game 3 with a vengeance and w/home court advantage.

Nellie, though might get suspended for the rest of the playoffs after post game conference.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Memo to David Stern: the reason your ratings are going into the fucking tank in the playoffs is because of shit like tonight where it's obvious the refs have an agenda.

[T Park]

2 more and Bennet can get Jack out of the game...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lmao They just ejected Buckets. You've got to be shitting me.

[FromWayDowntown]

Jax run.

[jackiel1219]

Now Jackson got ejected, wtf?

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

WTF! Jackson tossed too! Bullshit.

[T Park]

:lol

adios Buckets :lol

[hater]

:lol Jackson has been tossed. what a travesty

[T Park]

What did he do, Chuckle?

Sneeze?

[sammy]

Why is Stephen Jackson tossed! This is BS! I'm sick and tired of this bullshit!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is just comical. I don't even know what to say at this point. I guess Bennett is going to get tag-teamed by Cuban and Stern after the game tonight :lol

[hater]

:lmao at Dallas fans chanting MVP.

they should chant MVP...Salvatore....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lmao at Dallas fans chanting MVP.

they should chang MVP...Salvatore....

Actually I think they had Salvatore up on the jumbotron :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

"3/4 of America are rooting for the underdog" but Bennett Salvatore has his own ideas . . . .

[T Park]

I turned the game off. I had enough.

[T Park]

Maybe the Warriors will get a better shake in game 3.

Who knows...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"3/4 of America are rooting for the underdog" but Bennett Salvatore has his own ideas . . . .

What the hell is Reggie talking about? Saying because of how Buckets reacted that America won't root for GS.

That's such bullshit, America is thinking the same thing as Buckets and Davis are right now. Someone tell Dumbo to get a clue.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Salvatore definitely has a future in the WWE.

[T Park]

Reggie Miller can sound and be such a dipshit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Maybe the Warriors will get a better shake in game 3.

Who knows...

Well, at least they won't have to see Salvatore for a while. Knick Bavetta is still out there though...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Can someone explain how Harrington gets a travel call when he's dribbling?

[hater]

Reggie Miller is a clueless SOB. he did not even mention the horrible refereeing

[ManuMagic]

Memo to David Stern: the reason your ratings are going into the fucking tank in the playoffs is because of shit like tonight where it's obvious the refs have an agenda.

that's the truth. Stern is the worst of the major pro sports commissioners. If he doesn't want his sport to get compared to the likes of professional wrestling, he shouldn't let shit like this happen without heads rolling.

[ManuMagic]

Reggie Miller is a clueless SOB. he did not even mention the horrible refereeing

He can't. If he does - so long job.

[T Park]

Well, at least they won't have to see Salvatore for a while. Knick Bavetta is still out there though...

Jack Nies and Violet Palmer are still out there too :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Something tells me that the fouls will magically even up in garbage time

[nkdlunch]

I'm not even a warrior fan and this game left a horrible taste

[NBA Junkie]

Hate to rain on your parade guys, but both ejections were warranted. Davis and Jackson were asking for it by baiting the officials at every turn and got what they deserved.

I hate Dallas like the rest of you, but there was no conspiracy here. The Mavs outhustled and outscrapped the Warriors in the second half and got the calls as a result.

[PerforatedNeckline]

man, all these names strike fear in my heart...salvatore, nies, palmer, bavetta...and crawford isn't even around anymore...what a rogues gallery the nba refs have become.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Something tells me that the fouls will magically even up in garbage time

Yep, it's already gone from a gap of 12 down to 8 in in the last 3 minutes. Such bullshit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hate to rain on your parade guys, but both ejections were warranted. Davis and Jackson were asking for it by baiting the officials at every turn and got what they deserved.

I hate Dallas like the rest of you, but there was no conspiracy here. The Mavs outhustled and outscrapped the Warriors in the second half and got the calls as a result.

The Baron Davis ejection was warranted about as much as the Tim Duncan ejection.

Laughing and clapping = ejectable offenses at the AAC for the visiting team's superstars.

[T Park]

Hate to rain on your parade guys, but both ejections were warranted. Davis and Jackson were asking for it by baiting the officials at every turn and got what they deserved.

I hate Dallas like the rest of you, but there was no conspiracy here. The Mavs outhustled and outscrapped the Warriors in the second half and got the calls as a result.

GMAFB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[easjer]

OMG. This was just the most ludicrous and ridiculous and comically staged 'reffing' I think I've ever seen, though last year's round 2 pops into my head for some reason.

Unreal. The Mavs were holding their own before the officials interfered.

The first T on Baron will get reversed, not that the damage isn't already done. Likely SJax will get one T (the first reversed) but he was jawing pretty hard at the refs. He'll be lucky not to be suspended for his comments and behavior after his ejection, though. Hotheaded asshole still hasn't learned the basics. You can't play from the locker room and yelling and acting out don't get you anywhere - prove it on the court.

Unreal refs. Just fucking amazing.

[jackiel1219]

"Very good composure by the Mavericks" well no fucking shit, i would have very good composure if i got all the calls

[ManuMagic]

Hate to rain on your parade guys, but both ejections were warranted. Davis and Jackson were asking for it by baiting the officials at every turn and got what they deserved.

I hate Dallas like the rest of you, but there was no conspiracy here. The Mavs outhustled and outscrapped the Warriors in the second half and got the calls as a result.

In the playoffs - the refs look the other way. Only a very aggressive act should warrant an ejection. You think Dirk gets ejected on the same thing? No way

[FromWayDowntown]

The Baron Davis ejection was warranted about as much as the Tim Duncan ejection.

Laughing and clapping = ejectable offenses at the AAC for the visiting team's superstars.

It's remarkable how thin an officials' skin gets when he knows that he's giving a game to the home team.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He'll be lucky not to be suspended for his comments and behavior after his ejection, though.

Duncan did and said as much, the league would look pretty hypocritical in that case.

Ah hell, what am I saying, I'm talking about the same league that pulls shit like this game tonight. Buckets and Davis will probably be suspended for the rest of the series.

[ManuMagic]

Hate to rain on your parade guys, but both ejections were warranted. Davis and Jackson were asking for it by baiting the officials at every turn and got what they deserved.

I hate Dallas like the rest of you, but there was no conspiracy here. The Mavs outhustled and outscrapped the Warriors in the second half and got the calls as a result.

Also, the ejections were only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to completely blown calls in favor of the Mavs.

[nkdlunch]

Hate to rain on your parade guys, but both ejections were warranted. Davis and Jackson were asking for it by baiting the officials at every turn and got what they deserved.

I hate Dallas like the rest of you, but there was no conspiracy here. The Mavs outhustled and outscrapped the Warriors in the second half and got the calls as a result.

Davis and Jackson got their 1st tech, when they were trying to break up Diop + Terry vs. Barnes.

then it went downhill from there. I don't blame them for bitching at the refs. this was a lopsided game.

[T Park]

Hope Jack doesn't get suspended for game 3.

[Trainwreck2100]

OMG. This was just the most ludicrous and ridiculous and comically staged 'reffing' I think I've ever seen, though last year's round 2 pops into my head for some reason.

Unreal. The Mavs were holding their own before the officials interfered.

The first T on Baron will get reversed, not that the damage isn't already done. Likely SJax will get one T (the first reversed) but he was jawing pretty hard at the refs. He'll be lucky not to be suspended for his comments and behavior after his ejection, though. Hotheaded asshole still hasn't learned the basics. You can't play from the locker room and yelling and acting out don't get you anywhere - prove it on the court.

Unreal refs. Just fucking amazing.


NBA wont overturn the T, the backlash would be pretty bad. Admitting that a player got thrown out when he shouldn't have.

[ManuMagic]

It's remarkable how thin an officials' skin gets when he knows that he's giving a game to the home team.

Do you agree that this looks fake?

[nkdlunch]

Hope Jack doesn't get suspended for game 3.

Cuban will call the league and everyone else to make this happen. so it possibly will happen.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, something had to be done. Without some help, the Mavs might have actually gone to 0-6 in their last 6 playoff games. The league can't have a 67-win team suffering a fate like that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lol The refs have now found their whistles on the Mavs with under 20 seconds to play. Hey, that PF column won't look so bad in the box score tomorrow :tu

[T Park]

Sigh :depressing

[T Park]

Aggie,

How much you wanna bet Mavs fan pulls that out tonight

"Well the foul calls were damn near eve, where do you get that bullshit" :lmao

[ManuMagic]

The cold fact remains that the refs wont let the Spurs beat the Mavs if they play again - just like last year

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm only moderately surprised that Stackhouse didn't trip over his own words:

"We got back to getting the game called in our favor . . . er, playing our game . . . ."

[T Park]

:lol

Did he REALLY say that?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The cold fact remains that the refs wont let the Spurs beat the Mavs if they play again - just like last year

I think you're missing the bigger picture. The league doesn't even want us to play _allas. They want a Phoenix - _allas matchup.

[FromWayDowntown]

:lol

Did he REALLY say that?

No, but I'm only a bit surprised that he didn't slip and admit that.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol The refs have now found their whistles on the Mavs with under 20 seconds to play. Hey, that PF column won't look so bad in the box score tomorrow :tu



Something tells me that the fouls will magically even up in garbage time

[easjer]

Pathetic. Fucking pathetic.

And most pathetic of all is that the Mavs had maintained a small lead for sometime before the calls became so laughable and obvious. They were on pace to win. Now a whole lot of people are going to call it a fix and illegitimate.

They reversed that Finley technical last year that occured in the game we lost by 1 point. With apologies. They admitted that Duncan shouldn't have been tossed this year, and we all know that killed our chances to play LA (not that it was guaranteed before - but after that was mathematically impossible).

I'm just waiting to see Marc Cuban point out how lopsided and unfair and illegitimate all those calls were. You know he's fair and balanced like that, always willing to point out all the bad calls and hold refs accountable. Oh, wait. Right. The calls were for his team! Can't wait to hear about what a clear-headed, insightful referee Bennett Salvatorre is.

[ManuMagic]

I think you're missing the bigger picture. The league doesn't even want us to play _allas. They want a Phoenix - _allas matchup.

Another 2nd round jobbing coming this year - granted the Spurs make it past the 1st? That would be something crazy, because the Suns don't match up with the Spurs at all. It would probably take a lot of 4th quarter screwing to swing the tide to the Suns

[sammy]

Hope Jack doesn't get suspended for game 3.


Those fucking Mav troll fans were blocking his way of leaving! I'm sure all of the Golden State Fans are writing in as well! I hate to see this kind of travesty happen! This just make the game look bad with these fucking refs deciding who wins the game! :bang

[FromWayDowntown]

Nellie saving himself from a major league fine . . . .

[gilmor]

I think you're missing the bigger picture. The league doesn't even want us to play _allas. They want a Phoenix - _allas matchup.

My advice to you my friend is to quit watching the playoffs at this juncture. Because what is going to happen next, if your words were true, will be unbearable for your body and soul to handle..

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Mavs shoot 43 free throws in a must win game at home. Hmm, where have I seen that before? :shootme

[FromWayDowntown]

Mavs shoot 43 free throws in a must win game at home. Hmm, where have I seen that before? :shootme

That's what happens when a team that does nothing but attack the basket plays a jump shooting team.

Or something like that . . . .

[shelshor]

this is the worst officiating since 2006 west 2nd round Spurs vs. Mavs - game 2. officiated by Salvatore, who ejected VanX in 2nd quarter... shall I go on?
It was Steve Javie who tossed VanX

[easjer]

And you hate (or I do) to put it all on the refs and pull out about the conspiracy theories, but between last years Conf. Semis, last year's Finals, and tonight's utter bullshit. . . can you NOT wonder about it? Can you NOT think, what the hell is going on here?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

My advice to you my friend is to quit watching the playoffs at this juncture. Because what is going to happen next, if your words were true, will be unbearable for your body and soul to handle..

Not really. I figured out a couple of years ago how the NBA works. If you expect to see your team get screwed, if the officiating is to the point that you can say 'the other team needs to win this game, I bet Bennett Salvatore or Dick Bavetta will show up and hose the team that is up in the series', and then it happens, it doesn't hurt to watch.

If your team pulls it out, you know they did something special and pulled it out despite long odds.

Actually I'm pretty about the way tonight played out. One of the Mavs homer idiots that I work with got pissed at lunch today when I said the refs wouldn't let the Mavs lose tonight.

I bet him $20 that 1) the Mavs would shoot more than 30 FTs tonight and 2) Bennett Salvatore would call the game.

How fucking sad and pathetic is this league that I can make a crazy bet like that with 100% confidence it will come true?

[SequSpur]

F the NBA.

[easjer]

Wow, Nellie remarkably composed about it all in post-game. Still looks like he either got hit in the stomach or is still drunk and beginning a hangover, but that's nothing new.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nellie has been around long enough to know how the league works. His team already has enough fines coming to it, no point in adding to the pile at this point.

[Carrot Top]

eddie rush is worse he was just making up calls to foul shaq out in game 1.

[easjer]

Can I just say though, after a contentious game thread, how nice it is to see TPark and AHF come together about something? I'd feel warm and fuzzy if I wasn't still so nauseated by that GS/Dallas game.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Wow, Nellie remarkably composed about it all in post-game. Still looks like he either got hit in the stomach or is still drunk and beginning a hangover, but that's nothing new.

i think both players getting tossed was good for them

now they're REALLY pissed.


i also think nellie was irked at the warriors immaturity. the warriors took a game from the top team in the league and have the next 2 on their home floor.

if i'm the mavs, i'd still be a little bit antsy, though avery avoiding small ball was huge

[ManuMagic]

Nellie has been around long enough to know how the league works. His team already has enough fines coming to it, no point in adding to the pile at this point.

I'm now wondering about the very tongue in cheek comment by Nellie earlier about his team having a better chance of being struck by lightning than winning game 2. You know he saw this coming.

[Phonzie20]

eddie rush is worse he was just making up calls to foul shaq out in game 1.

carrot top? are you retarded?

[Carrot Top]

are you a :donkey

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

i think both players getting tossed was good for them

now they're REALLY pissed.


i also think nellie was irked at the warriors immaturity. the warriors took a game from the top team in the league and have the next 2 on their home floor.

if i'm the mavs, i'd still be a little bit antsy, though avery avoiding small ball was huge

Yep, I can't wait to see Baron Davis go off in game 3.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm now wondering about the very tongue in cheek comment by Nellie earlier about his team having a better chance of being struck by lightning than winning game 2. You know he saw this coming.

Like I said, he's been around long enough to know how it works.

[gilmor]

Hope Jackson can play in the next game. I'd hope he didnt say anything bad to get himself suspended..

[DallasFan]

Go Mavs Go. $igned, $tern.

Did you guys watch the same game? The Mavs got no calls at all up until the fourth...The Warriors lost their composure and end of story.

Also, I think we all know Stern hates the Mavs (at least Cuban).

I was pulling for the Spurs to take out the Nuggets, but why do 99% of Spurs fans hate the Mavs so much? Did you hate them that much before last years playoffs?

I always root for Texas teams, with Spurs being ahead of the Rockets on my radar, but I have never understood why all the hate... :(

[mrsmaalox]

Sorry I missed most of the drama; I quit watching right after the first 3 T's. Did Charles B. have anything to say in the post game? I did hear him comment on how Tim couldn't get even the most obvious calls.

[jbspurs]

Did you guys watch the same game? The Mavs got no calls at all up until the fourth...The Warriors lost their composure and end of story.

Also, I think we all know Stern hates the Mavs (at least Cuban).

I was pulling for the Spurs to take out the Nuggets, but why do 99% of Spurs fans hate the Mavs so much? Did you hate them that much before last years playoffs?

I always root for Texas teams, with Spurs being ahead of the Rockets on my radar, but I have never understood why all the hate... :(


ONE OF MY MANY REASONS "JASON TERRY"

[easjer]

I'd feel the same way if you took out the Mavs and inserted LA or Seattle or NOOK or Houston into that game. Horrible, terrible officiating.

But to answer your question - last year things seemed to get pretty personal between Mavs and Spurs. It's no longer a friendly rivalry - see AJ playing Dirk at the end of a game that was meaningless to the Mavs because the Spurs were winning. I'd be more likely to root for the Mavs if they aren't responsible for taking out my team.

[DallasFan]

ONE OF MY MANY REASONS "JASON TERRY"

If it was about the "nut punch"..he was just mad at Finley for leaving the Mavs... :drunk

[easjer]

Never mind. Waste of energy.

It's well past my bedtime, and I have to work tomorrow. So goodnight one and all. :dramaquee

[Obstructed_View]

Don't know what game some of you guys were watching. Davis was standing on the court, staring down the refs and clapping sarcastically for everyone to see. Sorry guys, but that's a textbook definition of showing up the officials. He complained and stomped around and shook his fists at every whistle, even after his fifth foul, which was a good call. I hope he takes it out on Dallas in the next game, but he was completely wrong.

Dallas were absolutely the more aggressive team down the stretch. If Diop went over the back then Harrington did on the very next play and neither were called. The jump ball call was wrong as was the travelling call on Harrington, though. Hardly the worst officiated game I've seen this playoffs. The NBA fucked up by not fining Shaq for running his mouth. Baron is trying to act like he was victimized, but he knew exactly what he was doing.

By the way, if the Spurs go on to beat the Suns and the Mavericks, is it because the NBA wants the Spurs in the finals? If you are going to try to complain loudly now so you have an excuse later on for losing, you are no better than the Mavs fans you dislike so much. Funny that the same commissioner who took Timmy's side against Joey Crawford is suddenly the worst one in sports a week later.

[timvp]

The Warriors got Spured. I wonder how Mav Fan can even look herself in the mirror after watching a "game" like that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Did you guys watch the same game? The Mavs got no calls at all up until the fourth...The Warriors lost their composure and end of story.

Also, I think we all know Stern hates the Mavs (at least Cuban).

I was pulling for the Spurs to take out the Nuggets, but why do 99% of Spurs fans hate the Mavs so much? Did you hate them that much before last years playoffs?

I always root for Texas teams, with Spurs being ahead of the Rockets on my radar, but I have never understood why all the hate... :(

You're right, the Mavs got no calls, that's why they shot 43 free throws.

Thanks for the reality check.

[Obstructed_View]

You're right, the Mavs got no calls, that's why they shot 43 free throws.

Thanks for the reality check.
You haven't been paying attention: 43 attempts is the Mavs fan definition of "bad calls both ways". :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Don't know what game some of you guys were watching. Davis was standing on the court, staring down the refs and clapping sarcastically for everyone to see. Sorry guys, but that's a textbook definition of showing up the officials. He complained and stomped around and shook his fists at every whistle, even after his fifth foul, which was a good call. I hope he takes it out on Dallas in the next game, but he was completely wrong.

Dallas were absolutely the more aggressive team down the stretch. If Diop went over the back then Harrington did on the very next play and neither were called. The jump ball call was wrong as was the travelling call on Harrington, though. Hardly the worst officiated game I've seen this playoffs. The NBA fucked up by not fining Shaq for running his mouth. Baron is trying to act like he was victimized, but he knew exactly what he was doing.

By the way, if the Spurs go on to beat the Suns and the Mavericks, is it because the NBA wants the Spurs in the finals? If you are going to try to complain loudly now so you have an excuse later on for losing, you are no better than the Mavs fans you dislike so much. Funny that the same commissioner who took Timmy's side against Joey Crawford is suddenly the worst one in sports a week later.

Obstructed View -

I don't have a problem with Baron's second technical. It was the first, the confrontation that was basically Jason Terry and Diop against Buckets, and somehow in it all Baron Davis gets a technical, but Terry walks away scott free.

But again, if you've been paying attention all these years you would have known going into this game that 1) Mavs would get at least 30 FTs (they got 43) and Bennett would show up to make sure it went in favor of Dallas.

Sad thing is Dallas had taken the lead and momentum at that point where the refs interjected themselves in the outcome, but now everyone who was watching knows what a farce the game turned out to be.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You haven't been paying attention: 43 attempts is the Mavs fan definition of "bad calls both ways". :lol

:lol

[timvp]

I haven't read this thread yet but what are the Mavs now with Salvatore as a ref in the playoffs? They have to be ridiculously good. Salvatore turns games into free throw contests (which is a statistical fact, so Mav Fan can't say otherwise), and the Mavs have historically been a very good free throw shooting team.

Salvatore games off the top of my head ... Game 1 in 2003 versus the Spurs (Mavs get 50 free throws), Game 3 in 2006 versus the Spurs (Mavs get 50 free throws) and now this game where the Mavs get 43 free throws.

If the NBA wanted to silence conspiracy theorists, a good place to start would be to not put Salvatore as an official in a must win game for the Mavs.

[rasho8]

Obstructed View -

I don't have a problem with Baron's second technical. It was the first, the confrontation that was basically Jason Terry and Diop against Buckets, and somehow in it all Baron Davis gets a technical, but Terry walks away scott free.

But again, if you've been paying attention all these years you would have known going into this game that 1) Mavs would get at least 30 FTs (they got 43) and Bennett would show up to make sure it went in favor of Dallas.

Sad thing is Dallas had taken the lead and momentum at that point where the refs interjected themselves in the outcome, but now everyone who was watching knows what a farce the game turned out to be.

Word... not much to argue with there. But they dont get Salvatore to bail them out anymore.

[MB3//]

I was watching this game going for the warriors of course. I really didn't feel like the warriors were getting as "sterned" as ya'll suggest. Baron started staring down the refs every call and then sarcastically started clapping after the foul call. The second tech was warranted, however the first tech he and Jackson received were not deserved. Jack was just running over to the commotion to get his players out of there. After the first set of techs Davis and Jack really lost their cool and acted like children.

[dbestpro]

Did you guys watch the same game? The Mavs got no calls at all up until the fourth...The Warriors lost their composure and end of story.

Also, I think we all know Stern hates the Mavs (at least Cuban).

I was pulling for the Spurs to take out the Nuggets, but why do 99% of Spurs fans hate the Mavs so much? Did you hate them that much before last years playoffs?

I always root for Texas teams, with Spurs being ahead of the Rockets on my radar, but I have never understood why all the hate... :(

The Mav's due to the hipocritical actions of Cuban and their fans is the last team on the earth that deserves a ring. Every play is a foul on the other team. Your comments prove that even when you have been given a zebra served game on a silver platter you still think it was deserved.

[Obstructed_View]

Obstructed View -

I don't have a problem with Baron's second technical. It was the first, the confrontation that was basically Jason Terry and Diop against Buckets, and somehow in it all Baron Davis gets a technical, but Terry walks away scott free.

But again, if you've been paying attention all these years you would have known going into this game that 1) Mavs would get at least 30 FTs (they got 43) and Bennett would show up to make sure it went in favor of Dallas.

Sad thing is Dallas had taken the lead and momentum at that point where the refs interjected themselves in the outcome, but now everyone who was watching knows what a farce the game turned out to be.
I hear what you are saying to a certain point. Seems to me that the Warriors just kind of lost their poise once it seemed pretty clear that they weren't going to be able to get over the hump. They complained after a lot of whistles that were legitimate, too. You know I hate the Mavs more than anyone on this board, but when you lose momentum with the refs, it's probably best to just try to play through it. A couple of the Warriors just looked like they were happy with a split and ready to call it a night. Of course, now they have an excuse for losing a game they weren't going to win.

Yeah, I'm not sure how Terry got away without a T, but they got Diop, who was the first to retaliate. To be fair though, the Warriors did start it. You CANNOT swat at a guy that late after the whistle. And Jack saw a scrap brewing and threw himself into it; he of all people in this league should know better than to do that. He was going to get a T no matter what.

I'm not convinced that the league would want the crybaby Mavs and their crybaby owner to win the series enough to force the calls their way, even though the Mavs got the benefit of them. It's part of playing aggressively at home, too. The Warriors didn't play very well, suddenly couldn't get rebounds and actually out-complained the Mavs so they weren't going to make friends with the officials. I'm really surprised that Davis lasted as long as he did. If they'd concentrated a little harder on playing instead of bitching they might have had a chance to put a stranglehold on the series.

[Obstructed_View]

I haven't read this thread yet but what are the Mavs now with Salvatore as a ref in the playoffs? They have to be ridiculously good. Salvatore turns games into free throw contests (which is a statistical fact, so Mav Fan can't say otherwise), and the Mavs have historically been a very good free throw shooting team.

Salvatore games off the top of my head ... Game 1 in 2003 versus the Spurs (Mavs get 50 free throws), Game 3 in 2006 versus the Spurs (Mavs get 50 free throws) and now this game where the Mavs get 43 free throws.

If the NBA wanted to silence conspiracy theorists, a good place to start would be to not put Salvatore as an official in a must win game for the Mavs.
Yep. Probably just a random draw to get that crew but you'd think the league would be cognizant of it, because it does look bad.

[Obstructed_View]

Jack was just running over to the commotion to get his players out of there.
Until some more time passes, Jack is gasoline in situations like that and everyone knows it. He should have been smarter than that. For a second that was the same guy who ran into the stands throwing punches at random fans.

[E20]

I agree with Obstructed_View. The shuffle in the begining the officiating was just plain BAD. People who didn't deserve techs got them (Diop/SJax). The people who should have gotten techs were: Barnes, Terry, Harris, Davis.

Barnes for starting, Terry for escalating it, Harris for pulling on Barnes jeresey outside of play, and Davis for overreacting to it.

[E20]

Also, I thought Baron's and SJax's second T's were plausiable, they intended to aggravate the refs which was there intention and got the boot, sure their officiating was bad, but you can't do that to a ref.

Also, I though Terry got hit with a T as well, Baron and Terry got hit with a double T according to the TNT analysts.

[phyzik]

Did you guys watch the same game? The Mavs got no calls at all up until the fourth...The Warriors lost their composure and end of story.

Also, I think we all know Stern hates the Mavs (at least Cuban).

I was pulling for the Spurs to take out the Nuggets, but why do 99% of Spurs fans hate the Mavs so much? Did you hate them that much before last years playoffs?

I always root for Texas teams, with Spurs being ahead of the Rockets on my radar, but I have never understood why all the hate... :(

At least I can admit when the Spurs get a blowjob from the refs, I cant speak for every Spurs fan, but It seems every Dallas fan on this board... no matter how "unbiased" they try to make themselves seem... always have something to bitch about the refs. regardless if its lopsided in the mavs favor or not...

Thats just PART of where the "hate" comes from.

Every fan wants the ref on their side, there is no denying that, but to have the ref on your side and STILL bitch about it is fucking asinine.

I wanted Dallas to win, but at the same time during this game I desperately wanted them to lose because of the horrendous officiating. I dont want that shit in the WCF if we face off... for either team. Not again.

[mavsfan1000]

Actually I'm pretty about the way tonight played out.

Quoted for :lol

[Shank]

Cute thread.

[T Park]

Typical maverick fan reaction

WE EARNED THOSE CALLS!!!
:lmao

[mavsfan1000]

Typical maverick fan reaction

WE EARNED THOSE CALLS!!!
:lmao
It's called pounding the ball inside and driving. Typical spurs fans bitching about the calls of every mavs game.

[T Park]

:lmao

Pounding the ball inside?

WTF would you pansy asses know about that.

[Findog]

I haven't read this thread yet but what are the Mavs now with Salvatore as a ref in the playoffs? They have to be ridiculously good. Salvatore turns games into free throw contests (which is a statistical fact, so Mav Fan can't say otherwise), and the Mavs have historically been a very good free throw shooting team.

Salvatore games off the top of my head ... Game 1 in 2003 versus the Spurs (Mavs get 50 free throws), Game 3 in 2006 versus the Spurs (Mavs get 50 free throws) and now this game where the Mavs get 43 free throws.

If the NBA wanted to silence conspiracy theorists, a good place to start would be to not put Salvatore as an official in a must win game for the Mavs.

Salvatore was part of the crew for Game 5 of the 2006 Finals -- you know, the one where Wade shot 25 FTs, where Wade got bailed out on a phantom call by you guessed it, Bennett Salvatore, who was standing at midcourt. There were two refs closer to the play than him -- not only was it not his call to make, but he butchered it. He's a home-cooking ref, not a Mavs ref. If Salvatore shows up to ref a Spurs home game, you should thank your lucky stars - "We're not losing tonight."

Salvatore is just as responsible as Wade for us not winning the title last year.

[Despot]

It's called pounding the ball inside and driving. Typical spurs fans bitching about the calls of every mavs game.

:lol :drunk :lol :drunk :lol :drunk

[ponky]

SEVEN pages of SPURS fans bitching about officiating in a game that their team isn't even a part of....simply incredible....timvp leading the stats of mavs' games in relation to refs officiating as usual...you must be related to cuban

[Shank]

:lmao

Pounding the ball inside?

WTF would you pansy asses know about that.

Check the shot selection and then question what happens when a team playing a bigger lineup decides to take it inside against a team playing smallball. The Warriors defensive aggressiveness combined with their lack of size hurt them when the Mavs made a concerted effort to pound away. That equals fouls. Are you saying that none of the trips Dallas made to the line tonight were legitimate? We're talking about Golden State here. They're not to be confused with some defensive juggernaut.

[ponky]

:lmao

Pounding the ball inside?

WTF would you pansy asses know about that.

ask devin harris, he could probably help you out...he did some of that in the second round last season...still a bit wet behind the ears but he got it done

[ponky]

Salvatore was part of the crew for Game 5 of the 2006 Finals -- you know, the one where Wade shot 25 FTs, where Wade got bailed out on a phantom call by you guessed it, Bennett Salvatore, who was standing at midcourt. There were two refs closer to the play than him -- not only was it not his call to make, but he butchered it. He's a home-cooking ref, not a Mavs ref. If Salvatore shows up to ref a Spurs home game, you should thank your lucky stars - "We're not losing tonight."

Salvatore is just as responsible as Wade for us not winning the title last year.


timvp loves to obsess over the officiating when it comes to the dallas mavericks, just as bad as cuban

[Kori Ellis]

I never bitch about the officiating, but I was embarrassed for the officiating crew in the 4th.

There were a lot of phantom calls and late calls.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

He's a home-cooking ref, not a Mavs ref. If Salvatore shows up to ref a Spurs home game, you should thank your lucky stars - "We're not losing tonight."
Salvatore and Nies reffed our last game. Nuggets win to the line 25 times and the Spurs went 10.

Salvatore is just as responsible as Wade for us not winning the title last year.
:nope

[Despot]

:lmao

Pounding the ball inside?

WTF would you pansy asses know about that.

yeah, the last time I can remember a Mav pounding a ball resulted in Jason Terry getting suspended.

[Fillmoe]

The City was robbed today.... the mavs went to the line 43 times. The Warriors were driving a lot and went to the line 27 times. On a play where 2 players swiped at the ball after the whistle had been blown, jason ferry got in the face of Matt Barnes and Baron Davis but didn't receive a tech. Instead they T'd up Diop, Jackson and Davis. Jackson and Davis were later ejected. Thank you refs.

[ponky]

I never bitch about the officiating, but I was embarrassed for the officiating crew in the 4th.

There were a lot of phantom calls and late calls.

yeah i know, it's usually the same few people always talking about officiating...anyway, are you referring to the mavs/nuggets game with the fourth quarter comment? salvatore may be a bad ref and there were too many whistles in general (27 for the warriors as well) but he is hardly partial to the mavericks. i just think it's silly for fans to act like certain refs are partial to teams...for every game that they may have whistled in favor of a certain team, there's a game where it went the other way and like the other person said, seems like salvatore is a home-cooking ref...not always but a lot of the time

[E20]

Why does everybody think the Warriors are from San Francisco? They used to be, but now their new location is Oakland. They play in Oakland and they're not called the San Francisco Warriors, the're called the Golden State(California) Warriors, so what gives? The Warriors are from Oakland.

[timvp]

SEVEN pages of SPURS fans bitching about officiating in a game that their team isn't even a part of....simply incredible....timvp leading the stats of mavs' games in relation to refs officiating as usual...you must be related to cuban

I'm using Cuban's own stats. The Mavs win 90% of the time Salvatore refs a game in the playoffs. Salvatore's crews call more fouls than any other crew in the league by a wide margin.

Which part of that isn't factual?

[Shank]

The City was robbed today.... the mavs went to the line 43 times. The Warriors were driving a lot and went to the line 27 times. On a play where 2 players swiped at the ball after the whistle had been blown, jason ferry got in the face of Matt Barnes and Baron Davis but didn't receive a tech. Instead they T'd up Diop, Jackson and Davis. Jackson and Davis were later ejected. Thank you refs.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with 4-20 from 3, 24 turnovers. 9 total assists, giving 28 fast break points and 48 points in the paint, right? I mean, it can't possibly be any combination of poor play that lead to the Warriors loss. It was all poor calls that cost them the game. And Fillmoe, were there ANY bad calls that went against Dallas? Even one? I'd like to see your answer.

[Shank]

I'm using Cuban's own stats. The Mavs win 90% of the time Salvatore refs a game in the playoffs. Salvatore's crews call more fouls than any other crew in the league by a wide margin.

Which part of that isn't factual?

Who were they playing in those games? And, in your mind, could Dallas still beat those teams without Salvatore around?

[Fillmoe]

At one point in time they were The San Francisco Warriors. That was along time ago. I thought everyone knew they were from Oakland..... Who thinks they are from SF?

[Fillmoe]

I'm sure it had nothing to do with 4-20 from 3, 24 turnovers. 9 total assists, giving 28 fast break points and 48 points in the paint, right? I mean, it can't possibly be any combination of poor play that lead to the Warriors loss. It was all poor calls that cost them the game. And Fillmoe, were there ANY bad calls that went against Dallas? Even one? I'd like to see your answer.


those stats are pretty much even with the mavericks stats.... mavs were 1-16 from the 3, had 15 turnovers and 15 total assists. GSW also had 28 fast break points and 42 in the paint....... the only huge difference was the free throws...... you can thank the refs for the win tonight.....

[~Sweetmelody~]

I was pulling for the Spurs to take out the Nuggets, but why do 99% of Spurs fans hate the Mavs so much? Did you hate them that much before last years playoffs?
I always root for Texas teams, with Spurs being ahead of the Rockets on my radar, but I have never understood why all the hate... :(


You mean 99% of the members on this board, at least everyone I know always root for the Texas team, as a matter of fact, my hubby had a softball game at 10:00pm and I went, wearing my Spurs jersey and sooo many people were all excited that the Spurs won, but they also wanted the Mavs to win.

Now, as for me- I don't like Jason Terry or Cuban....oh and the mav fans I encountered Last year. They were awful!

[E20]

At one point in time they were The San Francisco Warriors. That was along time ago. I thought everyone knew they were from Oakland..... Who thinks they are from SF?
Everybody. They don't wanna say Oakland Warriors, it sounds too nasty so they say Golden State, whenever you hear the world Golden and California it's automcatically associated with SF (Gold Rush)

[timvp]

Who were they playing in those games? And, in your mind, could Dallas still beat those teams without Salvatore around?

Against the Mavs in the playoffs, the Spurs are lifetime 11-4 against the Mavs in non-Salvatore games and 0-3 in Salvatore reffed games. Lifetime, the Mavs are far and away the best when Salvatore is on the officiating crew.

But yeah, I'm sure that it's all a coincidence.

[T Park]

The City was robbed....

[Fillmoe]

Everybody. They don't wanna say Oakland Warriors, it sounds too nasty so they say Golden State, whenever you hear the world Golden and California it's automcatically associated with SF.


that probably has to do with the fact that the Golden Gate Bridge is located in SF....... i don't know... I've never ran into a real NBA fan that didn't know the warriors are based out of Oakland.

[ponky]

I'm using Cuban's own stats. The Mavs win 90% of the time Salvatore refs a game in the playoffs. Salvatore's crews call more fouls than any other crew in the league by a wide margin.

Which part of that isn't factual?

the part where you called him some silly name like Maverette or whatever. there is a huge problem with using cuban's stats. first off, mavs didn't used to get the same number of calls (back when cuban did all his bitching) than they now get, particularly nash and to some extent finley when they were mavericks so cuban's stats from early part of the 2000s are somewhat outdated. then there's the fact that you're ignoring the instances in which these refs give the same unbalanced calls to other teams. case in point....spurs/sonics 2005...game one in san antonio...salvatore crew officiating...spurs with 35 trips to the free throw line, sonics with 18 trips...oh, and maybe the reason the mavs win 90% of the time has something to do with being a good team, just like the spurs...goodnight

[Shank]

http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[Fillmoe]

http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg


you wear that silly ass hat during every mavs game? i hope it brings you good luck because it makes you look like a dumb fuck

[Shank]

you wear that silly ass hat during every mavs game? i hope it brings you good luck because it makes you look like a dumb fuck

Does it need to be pointed out once again that you are a fucking retard?

[Carrot Top]

Does it need to be pointed out once again that I am fucking a retard?

:(

[timvp]

the part where you called him some silly name like Maverette or whatever.

If I'm a Mav fan, I retire Salvatore's ref jersey. No joke. You guys are almost unbeatable with him on the court. The only time you lose with him on the court is when he's not the crew chief.


there is a huge problem with using cuban's stats. first off, mavs didn't used to get the same number of calls (back when cuban did all his bitching) than they now get, particularly nash and to some extent finley when they were mavericks so cuban's stats from early part of the 2000s are somewhat outdated.

The most consistent trend is that when Salvatore is on the court, the Mavs win 90%+ of the time. But yeah, you're right that nowadays that Mavs have much more respect from the refs ... especially in AAC.


then there's the fact that you're ignoring the instances in which these refs give the same unbalanced calls to other teams. case in point....spurs/sonics 2005...game one in san antonio...salvatore crew officiating...spurs with 35 trips to the free throw line, sonics with 18 trips

Yeah I'm sure that had nothing to do with the Ray Allen getting injured and the game being over at halftime.


...oh, and maybe the reason the mavs win 90% of the time has something to do with being a good team, just like the spurs...goodnight

From 2001 until now, the Mavs are a .500 playoff team. With Salvatore, they are a .900+ playoff team.

[Shank]

That's two threads recently in which you've tried to be cute by swapping words around.

See what you can do with this one, Chuckles -

Suck your dead father's cock and go to bed.

[Carrot Top]

You have no sense of humor I see.

[Shank]

From 2001 until now, the Mavs are a .500 playoff team. With Salvatore, they are a .900+ playoff team.

Do the research and point out these games in which Salvatore has referee'd to a 90% win rate and then we'll discuss whether or not the Mavs could get the win without having some fictional help from the officials. If he really is such a cheerleader for the Mavs as you believe, then why did he make those calls against the team in last year's Finals? I mean, if he's obviously on the Mavs payroll, he wouldn't have made those calls would he?

[Findog]

Do the research and point out these games in which Salvatore has referee'd to a 90% win rate and then we'll discuss whether or not the Mavs could get the win without having some fictional help from the officials. If he really is such a cheerleader for the Mavs as you believe, then why did he make those calls against the team in last year's Finals? I mean, if he's obviously on the Mavs payroll, he wouldn't have made those calls would he?

We'd have a title if it weren't for Bennett Salvatore

[timvp]

Do the research and point out these games in which Salvatore has referee'd to a 90% win rate and then we'll discuss whether or not the Mavs could get the win without having some fictional help from the officials. If he really is such a cheerleader for the Mavs as you believe, then why did he make those calls against the team in last year's Finals? I mean, if he's obviously on the Mavs payroll, he wouldn't have made those calls would he?

I never said that Salvatore is on the Mavs' payroll. Go back and read.

I say that Salvatore turns games into free throw shooting contests. The Mavs are a historically great free throw shooting team. The Mavs usually win those free throw shooting contests.

Salvatore is such a bad ref he isn't smart enough to rig a game. But because of his tendencies, he makes the Mavs practically unbeatable.

[Despot]

I'm not going to qoute post #191, since it is not deserving.......but......


:ban:

[Shank]

I never said that Salvatore is on the Mavs' payroll. Go back and read.

I say that Salvatore turns games into free throw shooting contests. The Mavs are a historically great free throw shooting team. The Mavs usually win those free throw shooting contests.

Salvatore is such a bad ref he isn't smart enough to rig a game. But because of his tendencies, he makes the Mavs practically unbeatable.

But would you say the same things about a Salvatore-called Suns game, seeing as they're generally up there in FT% as well? Those win/loss percentages should be somewhat close, then.

All in all, everyone knows that Salvatore is one of the worst out there. I agree that his tendencies will tend to favor teams that are better FT shooters, but it's a stretch to say that he plays favorites. He's a terrible official toward both teams when he's on the job.

[kris]

yeah i know, it's usually the same few people always talking about officiating...anyway, are you referring to the mavs/nuggets game with the fourth quarter comment? salvatore may be a bad ref and there were too many whistles in general (27 for the warriors as well) but he is hardly partial to the mavericks. i just think it's silly for fans to act like certain refs are partial to teams...for every game that they may have whistled in favor of a certain team, there's a game where it went the other way and like the other person said, seems like salvatore is a home-cooking ref...not always but a lot of the time

Are you serious?

Mavs season was on the line and they got giftwrapped calls until they couldn't lose the game anymore.

I let you off the hook when you pulled the refs don't affect the game card about Spurs vs Mavs last year because I couldn't rewatch the games and couldn't remember the series play for play, but for you to come in here and keep trying to pretend that you and your fairy world where the Mavs are simply the aggressors and all calls are earned is rediculous.

You have blinders on. You'd get a lot more respect from me if you could just admit you got some calls, but it's coming to the point where Mavs could literally shoot 75 fts and you'd just say they were driving tough the whole game.

You need to either join the rest of us humans that can witness human interaction and see things that happen or you need to go to the looney bin to get unbrainwashed.

I feel like your Stern's niece. You got some George Orwell in you or something.

[FromWayDowntown]

Far be it from me to correct timvp on much of anything, but I will correct one misstatement from earlier in this thread: Salvatore called one game during the 2006 WCSF and that was Game 6, which the Spurs won in Dallas. Salvatore did not officiate Game 3 of that series (which was a travesty) -- Joey Crawford, Bill Spooner, and Joe Derosa did.

In general, though, I agree with timvp and AHF that Salvatore has become a bagman official on the caliber of Dick Bavetta. When there's a perception that a series needs to be evened up, it's remarkable how frequently Bavetta and Salvatore happen to show up and call those games. And it's remarkable how frequently the team that badly needs a win gets it in those circumstances. So remarkable, it's almost frightening.

[easjer]

To go back to Obstructed_View's comments - there are two problems with the ejections that I had (and neither were with the second Ts). One, the first ejections were questionable/laughable. I understand the point about SJax stepping away, but he didn't initiate anything. The wrong people were T'ed up on that brouhaha - Davis and SJax shouldn't have had their first T's to begin with. Did they lose their cool? Yeah. They both did. Did they complain anymore or act out anymore than any one Mav at any time? Nope. That's my second issue. Terry, Howard, Harris, etc. were complaining and bitching as much or more but none of them were t'ed up. The entire thread has a history of the bad calls that were made in favor of the Mavs. So the fact the Mavs were bitching at all just makes it harder to swallow that Davis and SJax get second t's and ejections.

Do I see this as a setting up in case we play them? No! I'm not looking that far ahead at this point. If we do play them, will this be at the back of my mind? No more than it ever is with these particular refs regardless of our opponet. Do I think there is a vast NBA conspiracy afoot here? Not really, but shit like this makes you wonder, doesn't it? I think David Stern would be much happier if we never ever played the Mavs and the Suns would win it all, but I don't think he'll take steps to ensure the refs make it happen.

A good team won't be phased by the bad calls, and will work to find their rhythm around it and hopefully rise over it. So if we get to a situation like that, I'll hope for the best with the Spurs.

But it would be a non-issue if this sort of biased reffing (for the people who should be winning, for the underdog, for the superstars, for the home team, for the refs favorite caller, for the team with the coach/owner who complains the loudest in the media) disappeared entirely.

[picnroll]

Even the morning national sports talk shows were mocking Bennett's calls.Every game this moron is on the ball for plays and constantly having to look to a ref off the ball to help with the call he missed.

[LEONARD]

Wow...just wow...I didn't realize there were THIS many whiny fucks on this site...

Unbelivable...

[monosylab1k]

Salvatore is such a bad ref he isn't smart enough to rig a game. But because of his tendencies, he makes the Mavs practically unbeatable.

his tendencies really helped us out in game 5 of the Finals last year.

[ShoogarBear]

Wow...just wow...I didn't realize there were THIS many whiny fucks on this site...

Unbelivable...It will be news when we discover something that you do know.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm not convinced that the league would want the crybaby Mavs and their crybaby owner to win the series enough to force the calls their way, even though the Mavs got the benefit of them. It's part of playing aggressively at home, too. The Warriors didn't play very well, suddenly couldn't get rebounds and actually out-complained the Mavs so they weren't going to make friends with the officials. I'm really surprised that Davis lasted as long as he did. If they'd concentrated a little harder on playing instead of bitching they might have had a chance to put a stranglehold on the series.

In a vacuum, you are on point. Here's the rub - Dirk, Terry, Harris, and Stack had been crying all night long. My God, Harris acted like a two year old and jumped up and down and kicked the court when he got his third foul, yet no technical.

Why is it okay for the Maverefs to kick and scream all night long about the calls, but when GS does it they've lost their composure and deserve to get four technicals dumped on them?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's called pounding the ball inside and driving. Typical spurs fans bitching about the calls of every mavs game.

Ah yes, the old Mav fan 'we were driving, they were shooting jumpers' argument. Nevermind GS taking it inside and getting knocked on their rears with no foul call, obviously every time Dallas drove they were being mauled by a Warrior :rolleyes

[monosylab1k]

Ah yes, the old Mav fan 'we were driving, they were shooting jumpers' argument. Nevermind GS taking it inside and getting knocked on their rears with no foul call, obviously every time Dallas drove they were being mauled by a Warrior :rolleyes

so in game 3 if both teams are aggressive but Golden State gets every call and nothing goes Dallas' way and Dirk & Howard get ejected in a questionable fashion, will you be on here again bitching about how unfairly the game was called?

[my2sons]

so in game 3 if both teams are aggressive but Golden State gets every call and nothing goes Dallas' way and Dirk & Howard get ejected in a questionable fashion, will you be on here again bitching about how unfairly the game was called?

Nah...that would be sweet justice :elephant

[easjer]

so in game 3 if both teams are aggressive but Golden State gets every call and nothing goes Dallas' way and Dirk & Howard get ejected in a questionable fashion, will you be on here again bitching about how unfairly the game was called?


Damn straight I will be.

Can't answer for everyone, but my biggest issue is the bad calls, not the fact that the Mavs got them.

[dougp]

Wow...just wow...I didn't realize there were THIS many whiny fucks on this site...

Unbelivable...
Simple solution - go to a MAVS website if you want to have someone stick their thumb up your ass so that you can be content.

We never wanted you here, and if you're going to complain about our community - find a new one. :nope

[41times]

Do the research and point out these games in which Salvatore has referee'd to a 90% win rate and then we'll discuss whether or not the Mavs could get the win without having some fictional help from the officials. If he really is such a cheerleader for the Mavs as you believe, then why did he make those calls against the team in last year's Finals? I mean, if he's obviously on the Mavs payroll, he wouldn't have made those calls would he?

The Mavs have won over 80% of their games over the last 2 years so if we win 90% of our games in which Salvatore refs it's not a stretch now is it?

Now when Danny Crawford refs our games and we go 0 for 8 like we did last year then something is definitely up!

And Baron Davis deserved to be thrown out of the game because he was:
A. Standing near mid court
B. Clapping for 13 seconds in a row
C. At the refs, mocking them.
D. For a foul call against the Warriors.
E. Stupid move.

He is a stupid MF. Did he not learn anything from the Duncan Technical?

If you are going to mock the refs you have to go and sit down in a chair and discuss it with a team mate. There is a big difference in what Davis did and what Duncan did.

The warriors are an undisciplined band of thugs and they self destructed. They got what they deserved and they are going to get it 3 more times.

[hater]

Did he not learn anything from the Duncan Technical?


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

what a dumbass...

for your information, the ref that threw Duncan out got banned for life.

[LEONARD]

Simple solution - go to a MAVS website if you want to have someone stick their thumb up your ass so that you can be content.

We never wanted you here, and if you're going to complain about our community - find a new one. :nope

I can't leave the comedy that is ST... :lol

[Borosai]

I don't understand why so many people are complaining about Davis' ejection. I expected him to get T'd up way before he finally got the second one. It seemed as though he wanted to get thrown out (which is very stupid by the way). He was very animated with his complaints, every single time.

I'm not sure what happened with Jackson, but he seriously needs to watch what he does. He had that crazy look in his eye...very much a loose cannon.

[LEONARD]

I don't understand why so many people are complaining about Davis' ejection. I expected him to get T'd up way before he finally got the second one. It seemed as though he wanted to get thrown out (which is very stupid by the way). He was very animated with his complaints, every single time.

I'm not sure what happened with Jackson, but he seriously needs to watch what he does. He had that crazy look in his eye...very much a loose cannon.

You're not playing along with the bit around here dude!! Get with the program...

[to21]

SEVEN pages of SPURS fans bitching about officiating in a game that their team isn't even a part of....simply incredible....timvp leading the stats of mavs' games in relation to refs officiating as usual...you must be related to cuban

Wow, a bunch of Spurs fans "bitching" on a forum called "Spurs Talk". :rolleyes

[LEONARD]

Wow, a bunch of Spurs fans "bitching" on a forum called "Spurs Talk". :rolleyes

but Spurs fans are above bitching about officiating...that's what I've been told around here anyway...

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[CubanMustGo]

but Spurs fans are above bitching about officiating...that's what I've been told around here anyway...

:lol :lol :lol :lol

But Mav fan isn't above telling Spurs fans what they should and shouldn't do on their own forum ... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[easjer]

but Spurs fans are above bitching about officiating...that's what I've been told around here anyway...

:lol :lol :lol :lol


For being around here as long as you presumably have to have accumulated such a post count, I have to wonder if you read posts or not. I can think of two people who NEVER complain about the officials or blame losses on officials and mock their fellow Spurs fans for doing those things who have commented on the bad officiating here - Kori and FWD. In the 2 years I've been here, they have never bitched about the officiating in the game as a source of loss. They have analyzed calls, pointed out the bad calls that went our way, remained calm and placed the blame for stuff where it goes - back to the players for failure to adjust.

When they say it's bad - I trust that.

Additionally, when people refer to the Spurs not bitching about the refs - they refer to the team, the coaches and the organization/owners. Those folks (with the exception of the Crawford incident) do not bitch to the media about perceived injustices. They do not take counts and video to send to the league. Nobody's ever claimed that fans don't thinks things were unfair.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

so in game 3 if both teams are aggressive but Golden State gets every call and nothing goes Dallas' way and Dirk & Howard get ejected in a questionable fashion, will you be on here again bitching about how unfairly the game was called?

Nope, that would just even out last night's BS. Until that happens, the refs owe GS one. Once it gets evened up, after that point if the Mavs get hosed, yeah I'll call out whatever stripes make it happen.

Feel better?

[monosylab1k]

Nope, that would just even out last night's BS. Until that happens, the refs owe GS one. Once it gets evened up, after that point if the Mavs get hosed, yeah I'll call out whatever stripes make it happen.

Feel better?

yeah i'm fine i wasn't up all night sniffling over how the poor Warriors got beat by the refs.

[Jimcs50]

Is the greatest ref of all time!

[LEONARD]

But Mav fan isn't above telling Spurs fans what they should and shouldn't do on their own forum ... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

I'm not telling anybody what to do...just laughing at the whining around here... :lol


For being around here as long as you presumably have to have accumulated such a post count, I have to wonder if you read posts or not. I can think of two people who NEVER complain about the officials or blame losses on officials and mock their fellow Spurs fans for doing those things who have commented on the bad officiating here - Kori and FWD. In the 2 years I've been here, they have never bitched about the officiating in the game as a source of loss. They have analyzed calls, pointed out the bad calls that went our way, remained calm and placed the blame for stuff where it goes - back to the players for failure to adjust.

When they say it's bad - I trust that.

Additionally, when people refer to the Spurs not bitching about the refs - they refer to the team, the coaches and the organization/owners. Those folks (with the exception of the Crawford incident) do not bitch to the media about perceived injustices. They do not take counts and video to send to the league. Nobody's ever claimed that fans don't thinks things were unfair.

Thank you... :fro

[to21]

but Spurs fans are above bitching about officiating...that's what I've been told around here anyway...

:lol :lol :lol :lol

All I was saying is, don't bitch about Spurs fans bitching on a board called Spurs Talk.

[ponky]

Are you serious?

Mavs season was on the line and they got giftwrapped calls until they couldn't lose the game anymore.

I let you off the hook when you pulled the refs don't affect the game card about Spurs vs Mavs last year because I couldn't rewatch the games and couldn't remember the series play for play, but for you to come in here and keep trying to pretend that you and your fairy world where the Mavs are simply the aggressors and all calls are earned is rediculous.

You have blinders on. You'd get a lot more respect from me if you could just admit you got some calls, but it's coming to the point where Mavs could literally shoot 75 fts and you'd just say they were driving tough the whole game.

You need to either join the rest of us humans that can witness human interaction and see things that happen or you need to go to the looney bin to get unbrainwashed.

I feel like your Stern's niece. You got some George Orwell in you or something.

what a terrible post, i never said anything which denied that the mavs don't get the benefit of some calls, learn to read...that goes for timvp as well. the point of my post is that timvp is always bitching about mavs and the calls they get due to certain refs, load of crap. oh but when the spurs get the an inordinate amount of calls it's because they drive to the lane or because the other team doesn't deserve them or some other nonsense. sure we get the benefit of calls, i'm not denying that...so do the spurs, so do the heat, so do a lot of the better teams. spurs weren't jobbed in last year's matchup against the mavs, it's just a poor excuse for the guys that didn't step up and help duncan out. same goes for the mavs in the heat series. oh, and stop trying to be erudite with all this human interaction/orwellian b.s., save that for buffet time at the golden corral

btw, the comment about 50% team since 2001 is hilarious as hell, thanks for the giggles

[Trainwreck2100]

so in game 3 if both teams are aggressive but Golden State gets every call and nothing goes Dallas' way and Dirk & Howard get ejected in a questionable fashion, will you be on here again bitching about how unfairly the game was called?


I'll be laughing at the Mavs fans trying to justify one game as a screwjob and the other game completely legit.

[monosylab1k]

I'll be laughing at the Spurs fans trying to justify one game as a screwjob and the other game completely legit.

fixed

[LEONARD]

All I was saying is, don't bitch about Spurs fans bitching on a board called Spurs Talk.

I love when Spurs fans cry...it's great comedy... :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

fixed


They'll probably say it was a makeup game.

[T Park]

I just love it when Mavs fan comes into a SPURS forum, and tells SPURS fans what to do.

Mavs fan. Shut, the, FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!

[Findog]

I just love it when Mavs fan comes into a SPURS forum, and tells SPURS fans what to do.

Mavs fan. Shut, the, FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, this isn't a closed forum. If you want to limit it to Spurs fans, lobby Kori and maybe she'll change the policy. I'm sure there are plenty of spurs messageboards where you can congregate with the headbobbers and have a circle jerk. Go there if that's what you want.

Do you want to talk basketball or do you just want to tell people you disagree with to shut up?

[ambchang]

Did you guys watch the same game? The Mavs got no calls at all up until the fourth...The Warriors lost their composure and end of story.

Also, I think we all know Stern hates the Mavs (at least Cuban).

I was pulling for the Spurs to take out the Nuggets, but why do 99% of Spurs fans hate the Mavs so much? Did you hate them that much before last years playoffs?

I always root for Texas teams, with Spurs being ahead of the Rockets on my radar, but I have never understood why all the hate... :(
Just for the record, a buddy of mine MSNed me during the game and was asking me if I was "watching the refs beat the Warriors", and he is not a Mavs, GS, or Spurs fan, his favourite team is the Raps, so he doesn't care as much about the Western Conference.
I saw the game, and thought to myself, "Gee, it's odd Davis was thrown out for clapping and mocking the refs. I thought the refs were trained to ignore this sort of confrontation."
I went to bed after Davis was ejected, it was just too obvious who was going to win, and no matter how well GS played afterwards, there is absolutely ZERO chance they could win it.
BTW, I wanted the Mavs to win, because I want the Spurs to get redemption in the WCF, but from the looks of it, there is no way any team can beat the Mavs with that kind of offciating, really got the meaning home court advantage.

[Findog]

[QUOTE=ambchang]. I thought the refs were trained to ignore this sort of confrontation."
I went to bed after Davis was ejected, it was just too obvious who was going to win, and no matter how well GS played afterwards, there is absolutely QUOTE]

GS didn't play well, they had lots of turnovers, as is their wont, they don't use a lot of ball movement, they just jack up a lot of shots Rucker League style, they have no interior d and everyone except Dirk took advantage of it since we can get a layup or dunk anytime we want. Avery used the bigs tonite and it helped a lot -- packing the paint and grinding them down, the Warriors started settling for pullup jumpers in the third when the Mavs made their run and started to tire them out. Anytime Salvatore is involved, BOTH teams are going to get some bad calls going against them -- the Warriors got some tickytack fouls or no calls go against them, but so did Dallas. And when they weren't able to get the looks they usually get against lesser teams but not against a top team like Dallas, they lost their cool and Davis INTENTIONALLY got himself thrown out, probably to save his knees for Game Three.

Please, let's talk basketball.

[T Park]

Hey, this isn't a closed forum. If you want to limit it to Spurs fans, lobby Kori and maybe she'll change the policy. I'm sure there are plenty of spurs messageboards where you can congregate with the headbobbers and have a circle jerk. Go there if that's what you want.

Do you want to talk basketball or do you just want to tell people you disagree with to shut up

Go fuck yourself.

Thats not even what Im talking about.

Im talking about you fuckface maverick fans coming into OUR forum, and telling us HOW to think and post.

JUST LIKE THAt.

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Findog]

Go fuck yourself.

Thats not even what Im talking about.

Im talking about you fuckface maverick fans coming into OUR forum, and telling us HOW to think and post.

JUST LIKE THAt.

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you for your kind words. It's good to be able to converse with rational, intelligent posters. Can you point to where I personally have told you what to do? I believe YOU just told ME what to do. So pot, meet kettle. Although I'm not the kettle you're looking for.

The registration policy allows for non-Spurs fans to post. Each team's fanbase has a shallow pool for the kiddies. Perhaps you're just splashing water and urinating with your mirror image?

[T Park]

You go to hell with your condescending bullshit. Ive been at this forum from day friggen 1.

Back when Maverick fans were still in their infant stages and choking and losing at a worse level than now.

So take your converse with rational intelligent bullshit somewhere else.

You guys arent here to do that on the SPURS board.

Your here to start bullshit.

Head to the fucking mavericks forum, and stay the fuck there.

Good riddance.

[monosylab1k]

Go fuck yourself.

Thats not even what Im talking about.

Im talking about you fuckface maverick fans coming into OUR forum, and telling us HOW to think and post.

JUST LIKE THAt.

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who's tellin you how to think and post? point out the big bad Mavs fan doing it and i'll tell him to stop.

after that i'll make you a glass of ovaltine and a grilled cheese sandwich, wash your face with a dab of my spit, and then you can pick out your bedtime story for tonight.

[angel_luv]

The only funny thing about the ejection is how we were all joking at dinner, "Be careful, don't smile... ooooh don't clap" and next thng you know... bye bye Baron.

So retarded. Baron had his back to the official and said nothing. But at least this time they ejected someone actually on court and in the game. :rolleyes :lol

[Shank]

It's at this point where TPark reaches the breaking point of officially going insane.

[T Park]

who's tellin you how to think and post? point out the big bad Mavs fan doing it and i'll tell him to stop.

after that i'll make you a glass of ovaltine and a grilled cheese sandwich, wash your face with a dab of my spit, and then you can pick out your bedtime story for tonight.

Kiss the fuck off.

Its this higher than though TROLL bullshit that im sick of.

[Findog]

You go to hell with your condescending bullshit. Ive been at this forum from day friggen 1.

Back when Maverick fans were still in their infant stages and choking and losing at a worse level than now.

So take your converse with rational intelligent bullshit somewhere else.

You guys arent here to do that on the SPURS board.

Your here to start bullshit.

Head to the fucking mavericks forum, and stay the fuck there.

Good riddance.

I'm glad we agree that rational, intelligent discourse is a good thing and that shallow trashtalk and unbridled profanity is for children. I find that the best policy when you come across those posters is to ignore it because they feed on the attention. I like spurstalk because there are knowledgeable basketball fans that like to talk x's and o's and it's fun. Frothing rage and working out issues on an internet messageboard is certainly the price to pay to separate the wheat from the chaff and getting to engage in intelligent discourse with other knowledgeable basketball fans. Who here wants to talk about last night's games?

[Shank]

The only funny thing about the ejection is how we were all joking at dinner, "Be careful, don't smile... ooooh don't clap" and next thng you know... bye bye Baron.

So retarded. Baron had his back to the official and said nothing. But at least this time they ejected someone actually on court and in the game. :rolleyes :lol

He was showing up Salvatore. I don't know how much they showed on TV, but it was incessant at the game. Salvatore is crap, but any other ref with a short fuse would have done the same. Davis has already admitted he blew it and apologized to his team.

[FromWayDowntown]

You go to hell with your condescending bullshit. Ive been at this forum from day friggen 1.

Back when Maverick fans were still in their infant stages and choking and losing at a worse level than now.

So take your converse with rational intelligent bullshit somewhere else.

You guys arent here to do that on the SPURS board.

Your here to start bullshit.

Head to the fucking mavericks forum, and stay the fuck there.

Good riddance.

TPark, you're never going to win this. And in the meantime, you're only giving them fodder to stay after you. If you don't like what they're posting, ignore it and deprive them of whatever joy they get coming here. Or respond to it, but not with insults and demands that they go away.

[monosylab1k]

Kiss the fuck off.

Its this higher than though TROLL bullshit that im sick of.

hey i need your address to mail you the tissues.

[T Park]

It's at this point where TPark reaches the breaking point of officially going insane.

Not its just at this point where Mavs fans are shown as just trolls and here to start shit.

Like you and your circle jerk partner leonard.



The only funny thing about the ejection is how we were all joking at dinner, "Be careful, don't smile... ooooh don't clap" and next thng you know... bye bye Baron.

So retarded. Baron had his back to the official and said nothing. But at least this time they ejected someone actually on court and in the game.



Darn you Angel for not being objective, and unbiased to think the Mavericks got the benefit of something.

You need to be more unbiased. BTW, Im not bossing you around {dilutedmavstroll}

[T Park]

TPark, you're never going to win this. And in the meantime, you're only giving them fodder to stay after you. If you don't like what they're posting, ignore it and deprive them of whatever joy they get coming here. Or respond to it, but not with insults and demands that they go away.

Im just sick of their higher htan thou, "You need to post like this" bullshit.

Thats all.

[T Park]

He was showing up Salvatore

amazing how the opposing player is always "showing up" someone after they get tossed.

Laughing, clapping, staring.

OH MY, such disrespect.

[Spurminator]

I have no pity for Baron Davis. These are the fucking Playoffs and you're in good position to make a run against the best team in the league. You don't get cute with the refs in the third quarter, especially after you've been warned.

The Warriors are a talented group of athletes but their downfall will be their own stupidity. They fell apart last night. Maybe if they had a coach who took these games seriously, they'd actually have the serious chance of knocking out the Mavs that Dallas sports radio types have been so quick to give them.

[monosylab1k]

i didn't realize that engaging in "point - counterpoint" was trolling unless it's two Spurs fans agreeing about how the Mavericks get the benefit of everything.

now i know. and knowing is half the battle.

[FromWayDowntown]

Im just sick of their higher htan thou, "You need to post like this" bullshit.

Thats all.

I understand. I'm just telling you that you're not going to win that argument -- you're only fueling the very people who are already pissing you off.

Honestly, who cares what they think about the way that anyone posts? There are no rules. That's the beauty of a forum; it's also the downside of a forum. You could try to post nothing but Vulcan-like logic and the very same people would find some way to contest everything you said.

This is about fun. Some people derive joy out of being obnoxious and pissing people off. Be content that you're not one of those people and just enjoy the discussion with those that you like talking with.