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romain.star
04-30-2007, 12:00 PM
I failed so far to see any Mavs vs Warriors Game (both during the regular season and the playoffs)

So could the experts of Spurstalk explain me why the so called unbeatable Mavs are overplayed by the 8th Seed Warriors?

florige
04-30-2007, 12:08 PM
I failed so far to see any Mavs vs Warriors Game (both during the regular season and the playoffs)

So could the experts of Spurstalk explain me why the so called unbeatable Mavs are overplayed by the 8th Seed Warriors?


Overrated :hat

spursfaninla
04-30-2007, 12:13 PM
1)Baron Davis is a big point guard, and the Mavs have not figured out how to stop him.\

2) Warriors are playing a lineup of big guards and small forwards, which is "messing up" Dallas's defense and offense.

3) More specifically, Dirk can't shoot as well against a long, quick sf/pf. He is nullified.

Testing
04-30-2007, 12:19 PM
Warriors are outhustling the Mavs in every aspect of the game; rebounding, loose balls, steals, etc. On top of that Dirk is reverting to the old Dirk who settles for outside jumpshots and missing in the clutch.

Amuseddaysleeper
04-30-2007, 12:24 PM
The biggest key to this series has been the excellent defense on Dirk

Nellie might be on to something


Having said all this, I haven't counted Dallas out yet.

This reminds me a lot of Phoenix vs Lakers of last year

romain.star
04-30-2007, 12:26 PM
1)Baron Davis is a big point guard, and the Mavs have not figured out how to stop him.\

2) Warriors are playing a lineup of big guards and small forwards, which is "messing up" Dallas's defense and offense.

3) More specifically, Dirk can't shoot as well against a long, quick sf/pf. He is nullified.


thanx

and can the mavs go through it anyway?
and can Dirk be named MVP anymore?

LEONARD
04-30-2007, 12:27 PM
Nellie knows Dirk and most of the players' tendencies...

GS isn't your typical "8 seed"...

GS plays with ridiculous confidence against the Mavs...

The Mavs haven't played well in about 6 wks...

but don't count the Mavs out yet...

Dark Matter
04-30-2007, 12:28 PM
The Warriors also had injuries all season long. Had they stay healthy, I'm sure they would have finish higher than 8th seed. This is what most people miss about the Warriors. They are WARRIORS, no doubt.
When they end up with a couple of decent bigs, :smokin :ihit :dizzy . The west is a insane. I pity the fool.

lurker
04-30-2007, 12:32 PM
missing in the clutch.
Except when the hole is too big to crawl out of in the time left. Then Dirk nails two 3 pointers. :lol

DarrinS
04-30-2007, 12:34 PM
Dirk has a vagina.

Jimcs50
04-30-2007, 12:46 PM
Matchups

Warriors are a bunch of mid sized(6'4"- 6'-7") quick players who all play defense(I know it is a Nelson team) they really play hard defense, they all go after loose balls and rebounds and they are hot from the arc in this series....this spells trouble for any team. The Spurs would be having problems with them, believe me.

Solid D
04-30-2007, 12:50 PM
1)Baron Davis is a big point guard, and the Mavs have not figured out how to stop him.\

2) Warriors are playing a lineup of big guards and small forwards, which is "messing up" Dallas's defense and offense.

3) More specifically, Dirk can't shoot as well against a long, quick sf/pf. He is nullified.

I will add that this team is a bad matchup for Dallas, period. Very athletic, quick to close-out, fairly long, with some excellent outside shooting to match it's ability to slash and dish.

Defensively, when playing man-to-man, a combination of Stephen Jackson, Pietrus and Matt Barnes have done a nice job on Dirk. They are very physical when fronting Dirk in the post. They are doubling in 2 places, down on the block and at the top. Warriors are also frequently using a 2-3 matchup zone (I even thought I saw a triangle-and-2 thrown in there one time). It helps that the Mavs aren't hitting particularly well from the outside but credit to the Warriors because they seem to be uncharacteristically dedicated to hard work on D.

romain.star
04-30-2007, 12:55 PM
so the GS are title contenders now?

WalterBenitez
04-30-2007, 12:56 PM
I failed so far to see any Mavs vs Warriors Game (both during the regular season and the playoffs)

So could the experts of Spurstalk explain me why the so called unbeatable Mavs are overplayed by the 8th Seed Warriors?


There are many explanation's level, let's go:

1. Refs :sleep

2. Baron Davis :toast

3. California's air affect the Mavs' jump-shot :oink

4. Mavs not ready for playoffs :nope

5. Dirk lost his boyfriend :married:

6. Mavs's hoop is bigger than Warriors' :bang

7. Coach Nelson :dizzy

8. Conspiracy :cooldevil

9. Stern want a 7 game series to enjoy Mavs :nerd

10. Warriors are better :rolleyes

It's your call baby

Beaverfuzz
04-30-2007, 12:59 PM
I failed so far to see any Mavs vs Warriors Game (both during the regular season and the playoffs)

So could the experts of Spurstalk explain me why the so called unbeatable Mavs are overplayed by the 8th Seed Warriors?



Last nine games played, Golden State 8...Dallas 1


Some teams just don't match up well, this is one very good example.

SenorSpur
04-30-2007, 01:07 PM
A perfect storm of opportunity and consequence.

This Warriors team IS NOT the same one that came together at the beginning of the season. They jelled after the AS break and got hot toward the end of the season.

Plus they have a coach who has both intimate corporate knowledge in terms of knowing how to "take away" the Mavs best player. He also has a considerable "axe to grind" against his former employer.

Bottom line: It's always about matchups.

hater
04-30-2007, 01:08 PM
Dirk has a vagina.

that pretty much sums it up

Mr. Body
04-30-2007, 01:10 PM
A Dallas team with any kind of interior scoring wins that game last night.

chokers2
04-30-2007, 01:12 PM
becuz they sux

Testing
04-30-2007, 01:16 PM
I am significantly suprised with the Warriors defense...I hadn't realized before but they seem focused on that part of the floor as well.

Mavs had trouble with the SUns this season also...as they play similiarly to the Warriors.

Here's the real question; Are the Warriors better than......the Suns? Both have that run and gun style, though the Suns offense is a lot more smoothly run and synchronized compared to the Warriors, mainly due to Nash. But the Warriors play a lot better Defense overall than the Suns, I think...what say you?

BeerIsGood!
04-30-2007, 01:17 PM
Matchups

Warriors are a bunch of mid sized(6'4"- 6'-7") quick players who all play defense(I know it is a Nelson team) they really play hard defense, they all go after loose balls and rebounds and they are hot from the arc in this series....this spells trouble for any team. The Spurs would be having problems with them, believe me.

I don't know about that last statement. There is a reason the Spurs blew them out twice during their post all-star break run at the PO, and that is the matchup favors the Spurs greatly. The Spurs have two things the Mavs don't - an incredible ability to control tempo and a dominant force in the paint. Tim Duncan is the ultimate thorn in the Warriors side because they have no one who can even come close to stopping him. Even if they go zone there TD forces a complete collapse and that leaves open lanes, shots, and offensive rebounds. I think it would be a 5 game Spurs win in a series with the Warriors.

Testing
04-30-2007, 01:18 PM
Warriors have Parker to counter Davis, who always matches up well against eachother and who will make Davis play at both ends of the floor. Terry.Harris are no contest....

Phenomanul
04-30-2007, 01:20 PM
Matchups

Warriors are a bunch of mid sized(6'4"- 6'-7") quick players who all play defense(I know it is a Nelson team) they really play hard defense, they all go after loose balls and rebounds and they are hot from the arc in this series....this spells trouble for any team. The Spurs would be having problems with them, believe me.


Duncan's inside scoring presence would be the big difference between that comparison.

BeerIsGood!
04-30-2007, 01:23 PM
I failed so far to see any Mavs vs Warriors Game (both during the regular season and the playoffs)

So could the experts of Spurstalk explain me why the so called unbeatable Mavs are overplayed by the 8th Seed Warriors?

The Mavs 7'ers are not able to pound the Warriors in the post to force a hard double and leave shooters open, and they are defensive liabilities that have a hard time keeping up with the smaller C the Warriors play. They rebound marginally well, but haven't capitalized on it. I guarantee you, if the Mavs had a Center or PF who could score efficiently in the post while being guarded mostly by guys who are 4 to 5 inches shorter than them, things would open up completely for Dirk, Stack, Terry, Harris' slashing, etc. That would force Nelly to play Biedrins a lot more and basically take away an offensive threat off of the Warriors court. Dallas would either have swept the series or be up 3-1 if they had that player and were able to play big defensively and offensively.

bdictjames
04-30-2007, 01:30 PM
Hustle and Heart.

mabber
04-30-2007, 02:41 PM
A Dallas team with any kind of interior scoring wins that game last night.

I have yet to figure out why Howard doesn't shoot much in 4th quarters. He can get good shots up anytime he pleases yet he rarely shoots late in games. It's been that way all season long.

Kori Ellis
04-30-2007, 02:44 PM
Why the Warriors are winning...

Nellie knows everything about the Mavs players' tendencies and weaknesses.

The Warriors guards are big and the Mavs guards are thin.

The Warriors aren't afraid at all.

JHo is tentative in 4th quarters.

Dirk is playing like a wimp. I don't care if he fills that stat sheet like last night - he still sucked. And I like Dirk but I can see him wilting away lately.

Stackhouse can only shoot so many free throws to keep them in games :)

Stephen Jackson is a hardass.

There's two former UCLA players on the Warriors.

The Warriors have an Ellis.

Fillmoe
04-30-2007, 02:46 PM
Dirk has a vagina.


/close thread

mardigan
04-30-2007, 02:46 PM
Why the Warriors are winning...

Nellie knows everything about the Mavs players' tendencies and weaknesses.

The Warriors guards are big and the Mavs guards are thin.

The Warriors aren't afraid at all.

JHo is tentative in 4th quarters.

Dirk is playing like a wimp. I don't care if he fills that stat sheet like last night - he still sucked. And I like Dirk but I can see him wilting away lately.

Stackhouse can only shoot so many free throws to keep them in games :)

Stephen Jackson is a hardass.

There's two former UCLA players on the Warriors.


Preach the word Kori, preach it!

DarrinS
04-30-2007, 02:50 PM
The Warriors have an Ellis.


Bingo, we have a winner.

Ed Helicopter Jones
04-30-2007, 02:51 PM
There's two former UCLA players on the Warriors.

Sometimes I forget that BD was a Bruin. His style of play says Michigan State or Georgetown so much more than UCLA. He's a badass though and you can't argue with his skillz.

mabber
04-30-2007, 04:04 PM
Why the Warriors are winning...

Nellie knows everything about the Mavs players' tendencies and weaknesses.

The Warriors guards are big and the Mavs guards are thin.

The Warriors aren't afraid at all.

JHo is tentative in 4th quarters.

Dirk is playing like a wimp. I don't care if he fills that stat sheet like last night - he still sucked. And I like Dirk but I can see him wilting away lately.

Stackhouse can only shoot so many free throws to keep them in games :)

Stephen Jackson is a hardass.

There's two former UCLA players on the Warriors.

The Warriors have an Ellis.

I agree with most of this but I think Jackson is a punk ass more than a hardass. He's the only Warrior that I don't really like. I like Davis & Richardson