What does it take to get fired nowadays?

[SRJ]

I just found out that Jeff Vexler and Walter Pasacrita will be doing a segment in the 5:00 hour on the following topic:

"Is Robert Horry a Hall of Famer?"

I love Robert Horry, and we very likely do not have a third championship without his game five heroics. He's hit a number of big shots in his career.

But COME ON. :rolleyes

If people were truly accountable, Wally and Vex would have been fired for the faux Iverson, and this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

...sigh

[DarrinS]

Nappy headed hoes

Hey, I'm still working.


:sleep

[Drive Like Jehu]

Vote by changing the dial...

I did a long time ago. Since that time, I only listened to the Pop show and they killed that last week.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

robert horry deserves to be in the hall of fame

[objective]

just be glad they're actually talking sports instead of doing some pathetic game show bit or rattling off about un-entertaining crap like they usually do.

[SRJ]

Hall of Famers are guys who carry teams, not the guys who pound the rock last.

Steve Kerr said it best: Following Jordan and Duncan around had something to do with all of his (Kerr's) championships.

If you build a team around Robert Horry, will he even have a chance to do his playoff thing? That answer seems rather obvious.

[Trainwreck2100]

Kerr might get in for being the best 3point shooter of all time but that's a big might.

Also neither will get fired, cause Gray was the goat.

[JPB]

6 rings with 3 differents teams, being a big part in everyone of them.

he has my vote for the HOF.

[Big P]

Besides everything that has happened with them this past week, I don't understand how they are able to keep their jobs, racial skits or not, they bring absolutely nothing to the table as far as sports talk shows go & Pasacrita is the worst. Half the time they are talking about something else besides basketball & the other half they are spewing crap, I can't believe that there are not any other qualified sports talk show hosts that could be brought in, hell, I could think of a handfull of posters from here that would to a way better job than they try to do.

As far as their topic of "is Horry a hall of famer?"..i'm sure that will be like watching paint dry...of course he is a hall of famer just for the simple fact like JPB said "6 rings with 3 differents teams, being a big part in everyone of them"

[Despot]

Who decides who gets in the HOF? Special commitee? Media? Mix?

[Trainwreck2100]

LOL they can't talk about Erik's firing or the fact that the pop show's gone

[aaronstampler]

9 points and 5 rebounds a night won't get you into the HOF. Horry is a very good role player, but at the end of the day, he is still just a role player. Whatever he gives you in any game is gravy. A team never goes into any series thinking, "If we shut down Horry, we can win."

[2centsworth]

He's a HOF role player. Just like HOF punters, relief pitchers, etc..

[Bob Lanier]

He's a HOF role player. Just like HOF punters, relief pitchers, etc..
Unfortunately for HOF role players everywhere, basketball has no official specializations. (Should there be a Hall-of-Fame category for end-of-quarter inbounds-pass-denying specialists who help guard against foul trouble, and if so, is Darvin Ham a HOF role player?)

Unless Robert Horry has been a dominant, game-altering force in some aspect of basketball that I've missed, he's not a Hall-of-Famer.

[Bigzax]

man, can't you people that bitch non stop just bite the bullet and buy some fucking satellite radio?

what is it? like 10 bux a month?

i don't have it. but i'm not bitching.

i listen to that show everyday on the ride home...probably for the past 5 or 6 years too...


granted, it's not as good as jt the brick or siciliano or czaban or some other quality shows,

and what major talent is chomping at the bit to come to the sports mecca that is san antonio?

so just get over it, or write letters to the program director-

it's obviously getting good enough ratings or the shit would have been cancelled a long time ago...

wah wah wah

and as for the dude that got fired, shit happens.

on the politically correct scale, it's highly justified.

on any other scale, it's just more bullshit.

[Sec24Row7]

Unfortunately for HOF role players everywhere, basketball has no official specializations. (Should there be a Hall-of-Fame category for end-of-quarter inbounds-pass-denying specialists who help guard against foul trouble, and if so, is Darvin Ham a HOF role player?)

Unless Robert Horry has been a dominant, game-altering force in some aspect of basketball that I've missed, he's not a Hall-of-Famer.


Tell that to Joe Dumars

[FromWayDowntown]

Who decides who gets in the HOF? Special commitee? Media? Mix?

it's a committee put together by the Hall of Fame itself.

And, remember, this isn't the NBA Hall-of-Fame -- it's the Basketball Hall of Fame. In 8 enshrinement classes since 2000, only 11 men have been enshrined in the Hall of Fame who were significant NBA players: Bob McAdoo, Isiah Thomas, Moses Malone, Magic Johnson, Robert Parish, James Worthy, Clyde Drexler, Maurice Stokes, Charles Barkley, Joe Dumars, and Dominique Wilkins. Of those guys, 7 (Thomas, Malone, Johnson, Parish, Worthy, Drexler, and Barkley) were among the 50 at 50 team in 1997. Another 2 (McAdoo and Wilkins) were among the Next 10 revealed on TNT in 2006. So, 9 of the 11 NBA enshrinees in the last 8 years are consensus Top 60 players of All-Time.

Maurice Stokes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Stokes) is a different story, but a deserving enshrinee who would have been among the Top 50 of All-Time had his career not been cut so tragically short.

That leaves Joe Dumars, who was among the finalists for the Next 10 in 2006 (arguably, considered a top 75 player of all-time) as the only NBA-specific enshrinee over the last 8 years who wasn't either Top 50 or Next 10 of All-Time.

(there is a sidenote for Drazen Petrovic who was enshrined in 2002, but mostly for his international accomplishments).

Taking a broader historical view, I count 67 enshrinees who are truly NBA players. Of those 67 enshrinees, 37 were named to the Top 50 or Next 10, or were finalists for Next 10. So, there are a total of 21 guys who didn't make that cut. Those 30 are:

16 - Tommy Heinsohn
22 - Vern Mikkelson
23 - Slater Martin
25 - Jim Pollard
28 - Neil Johnston
31 - Paul Arazin
35 - Ed Macauley
38 - Bill Sharman
40 - George Yardley
49 - Harry Gallatin
55 - Bailey Howell
63 - Bob Davies
69 - Arnie Risen
70 - Bobby Wanzer
77 - Frank Ramsey
80 - Dick McGuire
81 - Andy Phillip
90 - Gail Goodrich
92 - Cliff Hagan
93 - Clyde Lovellette
95 - KC Jones
98 - Joe Fulks
114- Jack Twyman
117 - David Thompson
145 - Tom Gola
167 - Dan Issel
175 - Calvin Murphy
272- Bill Bradley

Al Cervi
Chuck Cooper (first African-American player drafted in the NBA)

The number next to each player's name is his Hall of Fame Probability ranking from Basketball-Reference.com, relative to all players who've played in 400+ NBA games. To some extent those rankings are skewed because the resumes of players already in the Hall of Fame are used to determine the formula for ranking all players, so naturally, there will be a push towards those players as being worthy of enshrinement. Nevertheless, the ultimate comparison is telling.

Using just precedent, which is based on individual accomplishments and statistics, Robert Horry ranks 232nd in NBA history in terms of Hall of Fame Probability.

The only enshrined player with a worse ranking (of those ranked) is Bill Bradley, who was one of the all-time greatest college basketball players. Remember, this is the Basketball Hall of Fame, so collegiate accomplishments count and sometimes count for a lot. The enshrined players on the low end of the probability rankings are there, in large part, because of things they did outside the NBA. Those guys were all dominant college players and very good NBA players.

While I think Robert Horry might be one of the most clutch players to ever play, his enshrinement among the relatively small number of NBA players who've been so recognized would truly be unprecedented.

[conversekid]

game-altering force

Horry hasn't been a game altering force? Ask the Spurs, Portland, Sacto, Detroit, Denver.... come on, this guy deserves HOF based on his stones in the playoffs. How many have ever been that cold blooded and fearless?

[exstatic]

9 points and 5 rebounds a night won't get you into the HOF. Horry is a very good role player, but at the end of the day, he is still just a role player. Whatever he gives you in any game is gravy. A team never goes into any series thinking, "If we shut down Horry, we can win."
Actually, you've overstated his stats. They're 7.2p/4.9r, career.

I'm sure there are probably players from the Celtics run in the 60s that have as many rings and those numbers and aren't in the HOF.

[K-State Spur]

He's a HOF role player. Just like HOF punters, relief pitchers, etc..

There are no HOF punters in Canton and the only relief pitchers that will ever make it to Cooperstown are closers (which is generally viewed as more than a just a role guy).

[Bob Lanier]

Tell that to Joe Dumars
How many All-Star teams has Horry made? Dumars made six. How many All-NBA teams? Dumars made three. Has he ever been a Finals MVP? Dumars has.

Has he ever been a dominant, game-altering defensive force? Dumars has.

And Dumars wasn't half bad in the other aspects of the game, either; he averaged more than twice as many points and assists as Horry did over as long a career.

I'm not certain Joe Dumars fully deserved to be a Hall-of-Famer based exclusively on his on-the-court accomplishments, but he was one of the best players at his position of his generation – and Horry wasn't.

Horry hasn't been a game altering force?
Do coaches devise defenses to minimise the impact Robert Horry has on a basketball game? No, and they never have. They treat him as a spot-up shooter, not a creator - Jason Kapono, not Dirk Nowitzki (actually, Kapono has a higher career PPG average). Horry's a good defender, but not one who can break offenses. He's a good rebounder, but not one who can change the tempo of a game.

He's a role player. And no amount of ice in his veins will ever make him more than a role player.

[SilverPlayer]

Has anyone here read Horry's Wiki article. The dude deserves to be in the hall.

As a senior at Andalusia High School, he won the Naismith Alabama High School Player of the Year award. He attended the University of Alabama, where he was a teammate of fellow future NBA star Latrell Sprewell, on an athletic scholarship and was drafted to play in the National Basketball Association after graduating.

...

He is second on the all-time list of three-pointers made in the playoffs, behind only Reggie Miller, which is an amazing feat for someone of his height. He also holds the record for three pointers all-time in the NBA Finals, passing Michael Jordan's previous record of 42, and finished 2005 with 53 career Finals 3-pointers.

Robery Horry clinched many wins to playoff games most recently on April 30, 2007.

Horry collected his sixth championship as a member of the Spurs in 2005. That year he joined John Salley as the only players to win NBA rings with three different teams. Horry has also played in more NBA playoff games than any player except Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, having passed Scottie Pippen for 2nd place during the 2006 NBA playoffs. He joined Abdul-Jabbar, Jordan and Pippen as the only non-Boston Celtics to be on six championship teams.

He holds an individual NBA Playoffs record for most three-point field goals made in a game without a miss (7), against the Utah Jazz in Game 2 of the 1997 Western Conference Semifinals.


This list keeps getting longer each year.


Big Shots

* June 11, 1995 | NBA Finals Game 3 | Orlando Magic at Houston Rockets

With the score tied at 103 and the shot clock winding down, Hakeem Olajuwon kicks out the ball to Robert Horry, who launches a three over Orlando's Horace Grant, propelling the Rockets to a 106-103 victory and a 3-0 series lead on the way to a sweep and back-to-back NBA titles.

* May 6, 1997 | Western Conference Semifinals Game 2 | Los Angeles Lakers at Utah Jazz

Horry drains all seven of his three-point shots, which is still a playoffs record for most attempts without a miss. Unfortunately, the Lakers lost the game 103-101, and were defeated in the series 4-1.

* June 10, 2001 | NBA Finals Game 3 | Los Angeles Lakers at Philadelphia 76ers

With the series tied at 1-1, the Sixers were within one point with under a minute to play. Brian Shaw found Horry in the corner and he drilled the three with 47.1 seconds left to give the Lakers a four-point lead.

* April 28, 2002 | Western Conference First Round Game 3 | Los Angeles Lakers at Portland Trail Blazers

Down by two with 10.2 seconds left, Kobe Bryant drives on Ruben Patterson and kicks the ball to a waiting Horry. Scottie Pippen tries to help out, but Horry's three finishes a first round sweep of the Blazers.

* May 26, 2002 | Western Conference Finals Game 4 | Sacramento Kings at Los Angeles Lakers

Up by two points with two seconds remaining, Vlade Divac knocked the ball away as far away from the hoop as he could. Unfortunately for the Kings, Robert Horry was there waiting behind the three-point line. Horry caught and shot in one fluid motion. The three-pointer was pure. Instead of going to Sacramento down 3-1, the Lakers tied the series at 2-2. L.A. would go on to win the series and their third consecutive NBA title.

* June 19, 2005 | NBA Finals Game 5 | San Antonio Spurs at Detroit Pistons

Horry capped a unbelievable Finals performance with a three-pointer with 5.9 seconds left in overtime to give the San Antonio Spurs an 96-95 victory and a 3-2 series lead heading into Game 6. [2]

* April 30, 2007 | Western Conference First Round Game 4 | San Antonio Spurs at Denver Nuggets

Up one point with about 35 seconds left, Tony Parker drove on Allen Iverson and kicked the ball to a waiting Horry. Defensive player of the year Marcus Camby tried to block the shot, but Horry nailed a clutch three pointer from the right corner and put the San Antonio Spurs up 3 games to 1.

[Dave McNulla]

Hall of Famers are guys who carry teams, not the guys who pound the rock last.

Steve Kerr said it best: Following Jordan and Duncan around had something to do with all of his (Kerr's) championships.

If you build a team around Robert Horry, will he even have a chance to do his playoff thing? That answer seems rather obvious.
i can name a whole bunch of guys that followed robinson around for his first 8 years, it would have been different had they been steve kerr and robert horry.

[K-State Spur]

Ultimately, this is fairly moot anyways. While I don't think he is a HOFer, his legacy will be better than many guys who are in the Hall. The video of his final shots is worth far far more than most of the busts in springfield.

[conversekid]

Wasn't there a lot of jawing going on about Malone when he was supposedly hitting on Kobe's wife? Something about him coming to San Antonio to go hunting for mexican women? Who was fired over that?

[FromWayDowntown]

is worth far far more than most of the busts in canton.

. . . or Springfield.

[K-State Spur]

oops. i was still in the train of thought about no NFL punters in the HOF.

[blaze89]

I just found out that Jeff Vexler and Walter Pasacrita will be doing a segment in the 5:00 hour on the following topic:

"Is Robert Horry a Hall of Famer?"

I love Robert Horry, and we very likely do not have a third championship without his game five heroics. He's hit a number of big shots in his career.

But COME ON. :rolleyes

If people were truly accountable, Wally and Vex would have been fired for the faux Iverson, and this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

...sigh


Oh they're just reaching. They gotta talk about something for what, 2-3 hours. That's one thing I hate about most talk radio - many of them just say whatever, no matter how rediculous, just to get people to call and participate. It's not easy I'm sure but from what I've heard many radio talk show hosts do that.

Just change the station.

[AFE7FATMAN]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65655