_Thursday night this forum will make History!_

[Re-Animator]

I was able to get my hands on a very rare video that shows a man placing thermite shape charges on one of the steel beams at the WTC. This footage was to be released in the new Loose change video due out very soon.

Don't ask me how I got it just right click and copy it it may not last 5 minutes before Kori has to delete it due to pressure from the producers of the movie


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/Misc/FIRE-ANIMATOR.gif

[sabar]

Hello Abraham Zapruder.

[Rosie O'Donnell]

:donkey

[MavTalker]

RandonGuy and Chump may have to change their screen names or move to Canada


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/Misc/mavtalk-blue.gif

[ChumpDumper]

I call bullshit. Put it up now.

[Debbie Downer]

This may bring ST down

[Re-Animator]

I call bullshit. Put it up now.

you man chowder marinated homo, can't you see the footage is going to be released at a time where my sources will give me a live feed? If the footage was already available don't you think I would have posted it already? can your NASCAR redneck ass ease up off the gas pedal and let me do my magic?

this video is going to cost me at least 1,200.00 dollars but thanks to TMZ I will get twice that amount when they see this topic posted. this is first hand shit be fast and copy

[ChumpDumper]

Nice troll attempt.

Remember when we talked about politics here?

[johnsmith]

Good God mouse is a homo.

[smeagol]

Mouse = disturbed person

[101A]

you man chowder marinated homo, can't you see the footage is going to be released at a time where my sources will give me a live feed? If the footage was already available don't you think I would have posted it already? can your NASCAR redneck ass ease up off the gas pedal and let me do my magic?

this video is going to cost me at least 1,200.00 dollars but thanks to TMZ I will get twice that amount when they see this topic posted. this is first hand shit be fast and copy


"Live" feed?

From 2001?

Time travel explains a lot.

[RandomGuy]

(shrugs)

I will reserve judgement until I actually see it.

I would simply ask:

If you were part of a black ops team that was placing explosive charges to commit mass murder,

1) Would you film it?
2) Would you let a bunch of conspiracy nuts get their hands on it?

That 1,200 dollars is involved says to me that Mouse has fallen victim to a scammer.

A new variant on the nigerian scams?

If one were a con artist, what better way to take advantage of the 9-11 "truth" movment?
Spend an hour or two putting together some fake video footage, then pretend to be a secret informant and "sell" it to truthers esperate to vindicate themselves for $1,200 bucks a pop. Even with a copule of hours spent on the emails, that is $400 an hour, tax free, worry free.

CTers are generally distrustful of police, so the liklihood that there would be any investigation would be minimal. Man, I wish I had thought of that, I could sure use the money.

People have been taking advantage of each other's religious beliefs as long as there have been people, and this would certainly not be something new.

Just my thoughts.

I guess we will see on Thursday.

[Nbadan]

God I love Mouse.


:hat

[Nbadan]

bumpski just out of pure curiousity.

[ChumpDumper]

You bumped it after one hour when it clearly says the fate of the free world will change Thursday night?

When this is shown to be bullshit, mouse needs to go back to his troll hole and stay there.

[smeagol]

When this is shown to be bullshit, mouse needs to go back to his troll hole and stay there.

When has mouse gone to his troll hole after anything he has said has proven to be BS?

He will do what he always does: create a new account name and annoy the hell out of everybody.

[BradLohaus]

Can we get a time on the showing? Do it before the Mavs Warriors game for goodness sake.

[RandomGuy]

Still waitin...

Heh, maybe it was ME who scammed mouse out of $1200... buwahahahahaha

[smeagol]

Saw the movie! Amazing!

The conspiracy has been proven!

Oh . . . wait a minute . . . I got confused. I was watching Die Hard.

Never mind.

I will keep waiting for mouse and his video.

[Nbadan]

Is it night yet? DuH!

:hat

[RandomGuy]

Is it night yet? DuH!

:hat


heh, 5:03=night

[smeagol]

Is it night yet? DuH!

:hat
Pretty dark here in Buenos Aires

[Nbadan]

5:10 = evening.

Check back later, mouse's 'nights' start around 10:00p.m.

[Photobucket]

I got 2 email and 5 pms saying If I post it, Kori or LJ could have to answer some questions and may result in a temporary shut down of the site.
with that said, I have no choice but to show the video..................

[01Snake]

I got 2 email and 5 pms saying If I post it, Kori or LJ could have to answer some questions and may result in a temporary shut down of the site.
with that said, I have no choice but to show the video..................

Have you always been a dipshit or is the result of years of practice?

[The Power Hour]

I was able to talk Re-Animator into letting me see a small portion of the video and I was able to capture a few frames.


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/WTC-basement-camera.jpg

[The Power Hour]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/WTC-basement-camera-2.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

You were able to talk yourself into letting you see a small portion of your video.

Good work.

[The Power Hour]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/beams-2.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

How much did it cost you to get you to show you your video?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

A bag of HEB Nacho Cheese chips and some Rolling Rock.

[JoeChalupa]

I was watching some of those videos during the power hour the other day and I must admit......it made me go hummmmm.....Now I'm no conspiracy believer but some stuff just sure seems to be kind of odd.


Have I lost my political forum cred?

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9-ekc-nSQ_A here some video of some sort of hot molten steel pouring out the building I dont think its lava nor jet fuel...oh and ofcourse it starts to ignite moments before collapse. Infact that highly resembles the act of intense heat cutting metal...hmmmm

[ChumpDumper]

That's it?

Someone else's YouTube we've already seen before?

I'm right....again....

[Nbadan]

Damn, that could be any building. Back to square one.

:hat

[=RTM=]

I have a copy of all 4 vids but trying to up load them on Photo bucket using dial up is not working. Every time someone calls me to tease me about the Mavericks choking they break my signal.

I will go back to roadrunner by noon time so be ready for the truth.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/the-truth-1.gif

[Nbadan]

Good luck Mouse! The truth is out there!

:hat

[=RTM=]

Actually the truth is in here but RandonGuy and Chump have their heads in the sand.

:wakeup

[ChumpDumper]

I'll find a mod to lock this useless thread.

[DannyT]

quite the cock blocker aint you....

[ChumpDumper]

There's nothing to block.

[=RTM=]

There's nothing to block.

Your not looking deep enough

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/IMAG1285.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

So you voided the warranty on a hard drive.

That's the conspiracy?

[Nbadan]

Someone smashed up his shit Murdock style. I knew it.

:hat

[johnsmith]

There is no spoon.



Mouse, you're a douche bag.

[sabar]

I believe we're done here.

[RandomGuy]

You were able to talk yourself into letting you see a small portion of your video.

Good work.

Har. Maybe he will talk himself into getting some therapy...

[RandomGuy]

(shrugs)

I will reserve judgement until I actually see it.

I would simply ask:

If you were part of a black ops team that was placing explosive charges to commit mass murder,

1) Would you film it?
2) Would you let a bunch of conspiracy nuts get their hands on it?

That 1,200 dollars is involved says to me that Mouse has fallen victim to a scammer.

A new variant on the nigerian scams?

If one were a con artist, what better way to take advantage of the 9-11 "truth" movment?
Spend an hour or two putting together some fake video footage, then pretend to be a secret informant and "sell" it to truthers esperate to vindicate themselves for $1,200 bucks a pop. Even with a copule of hours spent on the emails, that is $400 an hour, tax free, worry free.

CTers are generally distrustful of police, so the liklihood that there would be any investigation would be minimal. Man, I wish I had thought of that, I could sure use the money.

People have been taking advantage of each other's religious beliefs as long as there have been people, and this would certainly not be something new.

Just my thoughts.

Nothing I see here is very conclusive. I will make an exception to my rule of not watching any more crappy CT videos to check this out, but get the feeling this is probably not what it is presented to be. I will put this through the same process of critical thinking and skepticism I put everything through and see what this video REALLY says.

[RandomGuy]

Your not looking deep enough



*Whacks mouse with his your/you're stick*

[RandomGuy]

So we have pictures that seem to show what appear to be explosives being placed in an unknown building with a date stamp of 09/07/01

Great. Real conclusive. :rolleyes

There aren't that many companies that do demolitions.
If mouse can spend $1200 on this video, it might be fun for this former private investigator to call up his buddies that are still working and have them see if they can find the company that did some work around that time, and identify which building is REALLY in that video.

I would find it funny to talk to the guy who is actually in that video, get his account of what he was doing, and post THAT to a photobucket account.

Along the way, I would ask him what would be involved in demolishing two 110 story skyscrapers, and see how much work, planning, and explosives would be involved. Har, I am beginning to think that would be worth it.

BUT

Mouse is full of shit, and he does this to get a reaction, so I will just leave this in the area of "it-would-be-fun" for now.

[RandomGuy]

By the way:

Poor mavs.

(insert link to wav of someone choking here).
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=choking+wav&btnG=Search

[RandomGuy]

I was able to talk Re-Animator into letting me see a small portion of the video and I was able to capture a few frames.


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/WTC-basement-camera.jpg

By the way,

This video shows that the "explosives" are being held in place with rubber bands.

Thermite takes a few minutes to burn hot enough to melt steel at 2700C.

Tell me again how these rubber bands will melt AFTER the steel?

[Mr. Peabody]

By the way,

This video shows that the "explosives" are being held in place with rubber bands.

Thermite takes a few minutes to burn hot enough to melt steel at 2700C.

Tell me again how these rubber bands will melt AFTER the steel?

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I have a copy of all 4 vids but trying to up load them on Photo bucket using dial up is not working. Every time someone calls me to tease me about the Mavericks choking they break my signal.

I will go back to roadrunner by noon time so be ready for the truth.I also call bullshit on the dial up.

[RandomGuy]

I also call bullshit on the dial up.


Har, "making history" with magic rubber bands and "the dog ate my homework". :loser

:rollin :lmao

[Extra Stout]

:lmao

Classic mouse.

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9-ekc-nSQ_A why have none of you "debunked" this obvious footage of some cutting explosive device? Or wait its jet fuel i should know already

[ChumpDumper]

We have debunked it. Several times. You just didn't read it.

the more important question is: Why haven't you posted your earth-shaking video?

[The_Worlds_finest]

let me guess you posted some expert report trying to explain away the obvious? That its just a figment of my imagination and since Im to stupid to make judgements for myself I must rely on somebodies expert opinion and not my own two eyes...wow your dense

[ChumpDumper]

You'll never know since you didn't read it.

Now where's the $1200 video?

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9-ekc-nSQ_A

[ChumpDumper]

That's been up since October of last year.

Your dumbass got ripped off.

[The_Worlds_finest]

That's been up since October of last year.

Your dumbass got ripped off.

:clap There you have it ladies and gentlemen this is what happens when there is nothing for the deniers to fall back on when the obvious truth could not be more clear :clap

[ChumpDumper]

You said you paid $1200 for a video that has been on YouTube for over six months.

That's your idea of truth.

[The_Worlds_finest]

I never said anything about paying for a video u got the wrong person , I did recall seeing that video though and I thought it would be fitting to post here...so please dig into your expert reports to find something claiming that subtance burning to be superactive jet fuel or some other super flamable usually found on the outsides of office buildings, that happens to ignite moments before a total collapse...fetch boy fetch

[ChumpDumper]

My apologies if you aren't mouse.

But that video has been addressed several times. It's most likely aluminum and oxides.

[Nbadan]

don't forget that's not just aluminum, that's magic aluminum that melts at 800 degrees.

[ChumpDumper]

It would be magic, since aluminum melts at temperatures below 700 degrees.

[Nbadan]

Melting point 933.47 K
(660.32 °C, 1220.58 °F)

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum)

[DannyT]

Melting point 933.47 K
(660.32 °C, 1220.58 °F)

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum)
whats magic is how you made him disappear after you said that....

[Nbadan]

He's confusing aluminum with alloys, that's what the going theory among the 911 'faith movement', but I challenge whether there were enough alloys present to create the streams in the pics. I have heard rumors that one of the floors the plane slammed into was a computer server room, in which case, the alloys could be back-up battery supplies burning and melting, but even that's a stretch.

[DannyT]

pretty power UPS dont ya think

[Nbadan]

The only other possible explaination is that the fire was much hotter than the 800* jet fuel burns at...

[leemajors]

or was speaking in celsius when he made his statement. melting points of metals aren't usually expressed in F.

[mookie2001]

in welding they are

[ChumpDumper]

but I challenge whether there were enough alloys present to create the streams in the pics.There's alot of aluminum in a 767.
Melting point 933.47 K
(660.32 °C, 1220.58 °F)660 < 700.

So thanks for verifying that aluminum melts at under 700 degrees.

That was very helpful of you.

[ChumpDumper]

whats magic is how you made him disappear after you said that....Gotta go out sometime. That Tahoe doesn't drive itself.

[ChumpDumper]

Please tell me what melted this plane's "alloys":


http://www.debunking911.com/images/runwayfire9.jpg

http://www.debunking911.com/images/runwayfire6.jpg

THERMITE!

[The Power Hour]

By the way,

This video shows that the "explosives" are being held in place with rubber bands.


Do you not know last comic standing already left San Antonio? Are you trying to make jokes? Those are not a Rubber bands and you would think you and your kool-aid guzzling poke e mon card collecting friend Chump could Google how shape charges are held in place?



Method and apparatus for retaining shaped charges

United States Patent 4889183
Link to this page:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4889183.html

The invention provides a perforating assembly and a method and apparatus for retaining shaped charges in a charge carrier. A shaped charge body has two clips associated with it: a band clip having a plurality of radially extending tabs oppositely oriented for mounting the shaped charge body in the charge carrier, and for securing the shaped charge body in place; and a wire clip mounted on the shaped charge body and adapted to hold a detonating cord in contact with the shaped charge.







Thermite takes a few minutes to burn hot enough to melt steel at 2700C.

Do you know how long a shape charge takes to cut through a steel beam?


Tell me again how these rubber bands will melt AFTER the steel?

The only rubber bands around here are the ones scattered around your room from your daily paper route.



http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2006/07/343155.jpg


BYU Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples, Building Collapses an Inside Job
author: Jacob Hamblin
Based on chemical analysis of WTC structural steel residue, a Brigham Young University physics professor has identified the material as Thermate. Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur. Sulfur cases the thermite to burn hotter, cutting steel quickly and leaving trails of yellow colored residue.



http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml?discuss

[The Power Hour]

Please tell me what melted this plane's "alloys":


http://www.debunking911.com/images/runwayfire9.jpg

http://www.debunking911.com/images/runwayfire6.jpg

THERMITE!

Are your trying to compare aircraft metal the the steel used in the WTC?

I think you should take a break and maybe open a window in your trailer brah!

[ChumpDumper]

Brigham Young University physics professorThe same one who found archaeological evidence of Jesus Christ visiting Central America after his resurrection.

[ChumpDumper]

Are your trying to compare aircraft metal the the steel used in the WTC?Actually I'm comparing aircraft metal with aircraft metal, genius.

[The Power Hour]

Strange how you don't see any parts like these in the Pentagon crash

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/wings.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Because they hit a steel reinforced concrete wall instead of a couple of trees.

Nice attempt to change the subject though.

C+

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/blogphoto/Discourse%20on%20Involuntary%20Servitude%20Blog/9-11ThermiteEvidence2.jpg

Gee what heated up the steel to be that hot that long after impact...


http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2006/06/08/thermite.jpg more of those blasted super heated explosions just moments before collapse...

I know all of it has a simple explanation found in expert reports and the governments report or shit john mccain too. Or I think it can be solved with this simple equation.

((giant airplanes+ jet fuel)x(terrorist+hatred of America)x(my obvious hatred of bush)+(Love of jesus/divided by brainwashed muslim fanatics^Jews just wanting a homeland)/the tons of thermite needed to split the planet in half/shooting percentage of dirk in round one/ number of wins in the reg season*Mohammad Atta/ 175-77-11-93)^Lets roll!

cant you see

[DeBunkChump]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/wtc-beams-3.gif

[leemajors]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/wtc-beams-3.gif
:greedy :lmao

[DannyT]

Gotta go out sometime. That Tahoe doesn't drive itself.


my tall ho does....sounds like you need an upgrade...a steel reinforced one

[smeagol]

Those are not a Rubber bands and you would think you and your kool-aid guzzling poke e mon card collecting friend Chump could Google how shape charges are held in place?

mouse can still be funny :lmao :lmao :lmao

[johnsmith]

mouse can still be funny :lmao :lmao :lmao


I disagree.

[Gerryatrics]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/wtc-beams-3.gif

One of the most overlooked elements of the World Trade Center's construction was the lovely brickwork, which you can clearly see in the background.

Also of note is how they punched a hole in the side of the 110 story skyscraper for easier access to the support columns. No need to disguise dozens of workers and surreptitiously slip them into the building, alongside tons of explosives, without any of the thousands of people that worked and visited there noticing, they could just walk right in.

[gtownspur]

I think Chump just buried his foot right up mouse's ass, shattering all his toes and leaving no shiloutte of a foot on the rodent rectum.

We'll need an independent committee to investigate wether it was truly chumps foot and not many of the other 100's of foreign objects believe to go up Mouse's ass daily.

We'll even have two douchebag college students narrarating the plot with a 2 bit soundtrack for all the glorius people of Victoria Texas to understand.

[gtownspur]

gtownspur, please you are not funny, stop trying to make jokes, especially ones declaring pzwn3nge


Sorry, i'm not trying to get a laugh out of the butt of my jokes (you). I could care less about your input since it's fucktards like you getting ridiculed.

[DeBunkChump]

Sorry, it's fucktards like you getting ridiculed.


there lies the reason we can never have any real debates

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/WTC7.gif

[ChumpDumper]

That and the fact you have nothing to say.

[mookie2001]

tell us again how that collapse is less than perfect

[ChumpDumper]

It's less than perfect because the east penthouse fell into the building several seconds before the rest of the building fell (something mouse and dan never show in their videos because it's not convenient to their nontheory). The building also began to fall to the south, in the directions of the damage from north tower debris, then the walls on the lower floors spread in all directions as the upper floors fell on top of them, causing major damage to the buildings located north and west of 7WTC.

I don't know why it is such a surprise to you that this building fell since the firefighters at the scene actually measured the movement of the building, stopped all their operations and evacuated the area because they thought it was going to come down.

[mookie2001]

if its so easily debunked why wouldnt the government just explain to us what happened?, or at least the liberal media would give us a theory

is it because nobody died or because it happened 5 years ago?

[ChumpDumper]

if its so easily debunked why wouldnt the government just explain to us what happened?They're working on it. They actually have a theory or two and they really did consider thermite just to satisfy the conspiracists.
or at least the liberal media would give us a theory That's all I ask of the conspiracy crowd. They aren't very forthcoming either.
is it because nobody died or because it happened 5 years ago?Both, and that it wasn't as big as the others. Why don't the conspiracy nontheorists have a workable theory? Is it because they really don't care or because it's more profitable to refrain from having one?

[RandomGuy]

3 or 4 personal insults, and some link



I am on strike. I will not click any of your links until you read the entire NIST report.

[RandomGuy]

Strange how you don't see any parts like these in the Pentagon crash



If a large, thin-skinned aircraft impacts the side of a thick concrete building at 400mph, and only small pieces of the aircraft are found outside on the lawn, then it's obvious the pieces were planted there, and a plane didn't crash at all.

[RandomGuy]

Strange how you don't see any parts like these in the Pentagon crash



Because the shape of the impact holes in the WTC towers and the Pentagon don't match what I think the shape of the planes should be, then it must have been some other type of craft that did the damage, in spite of all of the eyewitness reports and physical evidence to the contrary. Which means that, since the alleged hijacked aircraft are, indeed, missing, and the passengers on said aircraft are, indeed, missing, then the government must have landed those passenger jets in secret somewhere, removed the people, killed them, dismembered them, sprinkled their remains around the crash sites somehow, and destroyed/hid the aircraft somewhere else. Masterful. Much more convincing than just actually crashing the planes into the buildings in the first place.

[RandomGuy]

Strange how you don't see any parts like these in the Pentagon crash


The same nefarious conspirators that pulled off the single largest concerted suicide attack in history forgot to make a hole in the Pentagon to help fake the airliner impact site.

[RandomGuy]

Strange how you don't see any parts like these in the Pentagon crash



When pointing out how a B-25 flew into the Empire State Building in 1945, but the building easily survived and didn't collapse, we should disregard how much smaller the B-25 is than a 767, the amount of fuel that each contains, and that the ESB was constructed largely of concrete (like, say, the Pentagon).

[RandomGuy]

Strange how you don't see any parts like these in the Pentagon crash



Although a simple concrete barrier can sucker punch a dump truck to a dead stop and virtually atomize a fighter jet, we should expect the impact site of a passenger jet on the world's largest reinforced concrete building to be marked by a plane-shaped hole in the wall.

[RandomGuy]

See how much you can learn from conspiracy theorists if you just open your mind? :lol

[RandomGuy]

I never said anything about paying for a video u got the wrong person , I did recall seeing that video though and I thought it would be fitting to post here...so please dig into your expert reports to find something claiming that subtance burning to be superactive jet fuel or some other super flamable usually found on the outsides of office buildings, that happens to ignite moments before a total collapse...fetch boy fetch



this video is going to cost me at least 1,200.00 dollars but thanks to TMZ I will get twice that amount when they see this topic posted. this is first hand shit be fast and copy


:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Gee what heated up the steel to be that hot that long after impact...

more of those blasted super heated explosions just moments before collapse...

I know all of it has a simple explanation found in expert reports and the governments report or shit john mccain too. Or I think it can be solved with this simple equation.

((giant airplanes+ jet fuel)x(terrorist+hatred of America)x(my obvious hatred of bush)+(Love of jesus/divided by brainwashed muslim fanatics^Jews just wanting a homeland)/the tons of thermite needed to split the planet in half/shooting percentage of dirk in round one/ number of wins in the reg season*Mohammad Atta/ 175-77-11-93)^Lets roll!

cant you see

Since verbose, difficult-to-read scientific reports contradict my claims of conspiracy, I'll use a different approach: Nothing says "Science" like lots of photos, drawings, and short captions in a PowerPoint or Flash animation backed by spooky "conspiracy music."

[Extra Stout]

This really was a pretty good prank by mouse. The payoff -- the "videos" -- was hilarious.

[RandomGuy]

Do you not know last comic standing already left San Antonio? Are you trying to make jokes? Those are not a Rubber bands and you would think you and your kool-aid guzzling poke e mon card collecting friend Chump could Google how shape charges are held in place?

Do you know how long a shape charge takes to cut through a steel beam?

The only rubber bands around here are the ones scattered around your room from your daily paper route.

BYU Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples, Building Collapses an Inside Job
author: Jacob Hamblin
Based on chemical analysis of WTC structural steel residue, a Brigham Young University physics professor has identified the material as Thermate. Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur. Sulfur cases the thermite to burn hotter, cutting steel quickly and leaving trails of yellow colored residue.


A commonly repeated 9/11conspiracy theory is that an incendiary, thermite or thermate, rather than an explosive, was used to cut the huge steel columns, causing the WTC buildings to collapse. Steven E. Jones, a (former) physicist at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City, and (former) co-chair of the 9/11 conspiracy-promoting “Scholars for Truth,” is the chief proponent of this theory.
In his paper “Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?” Jones shows a startling propensity for abandoning the scientific method in favor of jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. As with his “evi-dence” that Jesus Christ visited the Americas (a Mormon tenet), in his 9/11 work Jones promotes faith over intellectual rigor.
For example, in this rambling defense of his theories, Jones cites an EPA report by Erik Swartz as evidence of the presence of thermite at the WTC: “Large amounts of 1,3 diphenylpropane strongly suggests the high-tech thermite arson used on the WTC buildings...” (bolding mine).
Swartz’s EPA report says nothing of the kind:
One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," Swartz said. He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers. http://tinyurl.com/rp7xg The report abstract is here: http://tinyurl.com/qvzd7
In it, Swartz says, “In addition, the compound 1,3-diphenylpropane- [ 1',1'-(1,3-propanediyl) bis-benzene] was observed, and to our knowledge, this species has not previously been re-ported from ambient sampling. It has been associated with polystyrene and other plastics, which are in abundance at the WTC site.”
Steven Jones claims to have found traces of thermate (thermite with a small amount of sulfur and a large amount of barium nitrate added) on a piece of steel from the WTC. This claim is baseless. Jones found some sulfur and other trace metals, and nothing could be less surprising. Sulfur-based drywall was the third most-used construction material at the WTC. Thousands of gallons of fuel oil containing sulfur was spilled beneath the rubble piles, along with numerous other sulfur-containing inflammables. Thermate typically contains only 2% sulfur, so if the sulfur Jones detected was from thermate, we would expect to see the re-action byproducts of its main ingredients, iron oxide, aluminum, and barium nitrate, in proportionally greater amounts. The qualitative chemical analyses performed on sulfidated steel from WTC 7, 1, and 2 shows no signs of the presence of the incendiaries Jones says were used. http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

[RandomGuy]

An excellent paper by chemist Frank Greening discusses sources of sulfur at the WTC site and examines the sulfidation observed in some steel found in the debris pile: http://911myths.com/Sulfur.pdf
A common CT claim is that the angled column in the photo below is evidence of a cut made by thermite / thermate. Until recently this photo was prominently featured on the “Scholars for Truth” website and in Steven Jones’ papers. It still is featured on the page of another website promoting a debate challenge by the Scholars on teamliberty.net ( I have accepted the debate challenge, and as of this writing the debate the de-bate may be moved to my alma mater, Franklin Pierce College in New Hampshire.)
Had these CTs taken a minute to enlarge the photo, as I have done below, they would have seen that the column shows obvious blowtorch marks, and slag sitting on top of the loose debris. Ironworkers used oxyacetylene torches to cut the WTC steel.

[RandomGuy]

None of the hundreds of photos I have of Ground Zero show any sign of steel being cut by incendiaries or blasted by explosives. Thermite/thermate cuts vertically, with gravity. For example, the military uses thermite to disable materiel to prevent it being used by the enemy. A thermite grenade placed on the horizontal hood of a truck will melt straight down through the engine block.
Therefore, to attack a thick vertical steel column with thermite, a large, complex, and extremely durable (capable of withstanding temperatures of 4000 F) apparatus would have to be attached to each column to hold the thermite against the steel throughout the cutting process. And equally durable ignition de-vices (timers / wiring / radio receivers: take your pick) would need to survive the aircraft impacts/debris impacts and raging fires, and work perfectly when needed.
The huge thermite/ate devices would have to be attached to many columns, for redundancy, because the “conspirators” would not know exactly where the planes or debris would hit. Obviously, it would be highly suspicious if the building collapses initiated in an undamaged area.
Needless to say, no such devices were found in the 1.6 billion pounds of debris that was meticulously sorted by FBI investigators and NYPD detectives at Fresh Kills Landfill, and no evidence of ther-mite/ate use at the WTC has ever been found. Professor Jones simply ignores the many possible sources of the trace chemicals he found on steel, and he neglects to mention that he did not find traces of some of the most common byproducts of thermite/ate. Nor does he have a chain of custody for this steel that would rule out other sources of contamination.
I’ve only delved this far into this subject to show how quickly the CT claims unravel when examined in the light of the facts. Thanks to “Huntsman” at the JREF forum for his enlightening posts regarding his military experience with explosives and incendiaries.
For now, perhaps we should leave the final word on this issue to Brent Blanchard of Protec, from his paper A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 & 7 from an Explosives and Conven-tional Demolition Industry Viewpoint:
Dr. Jones acknowledges that his investigation is still in the research phase and that questions regarding the viability of his theory remain unanswered. For example, it is unknown how thermite’s destructive process could have been applied and initiated simultaneously on so many beams – in several buildings – undetected and/or under such extreme conditions. It is also unusual that no demolition personnel at any level noticed telltale signs of thermite’s de-generative “fingerprint” on any beams during the eight months of debris removal. http://tinyurl.com/z6zyc

[RandomGuy]

Still waiting on that history.

[RandomGuy]

(shrugs)

I will reserve judgement until I actually see it.

I would simply ask:

If you were part of a black ops team that was placing explosive charges to commit mass murder,

1) Would you film it?
2) Would you let a bunch of conspiracy nuts get their hands on it?

That 1,200 dollars is involved says to me that Mouse has fallen victim to a scammer.

A new variant on the nigerian scams?

If one were a con artist, what better way to take advantage of the 9-11 "truth" movment?
Spend an hour or two putting together some fake video footage, then pretend to be a secret informant and "sell" it to truthers esperate to vindicate themselves for $1,200 bucks a pop. Even with a copule of hours spent on the emails, that is $400 an hour, tax free, worry free.

CTers are generally distrustful of police, so the liklihood that there would be any investigation would be minimal. Man, I wish I had thought of that, I could sure use the money.

People have been taking advantage of each other's religious beliefs as long as there have been people, and this would certainly not be something new.

Just my thoughts.

I guess we will see on Thursday.

Why lookie what happened. Mouse started faking more stuff. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This prank is not a year old, but only six months old. My bad.

[RandomGuy]

Why lookie what happened. Mouse started faking more stuff. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This prank is not a year old, but only six months old. My bad.

Bump. Maybe he meant this thursday, i.e. today... :lol

[johnsmith]

Bump. Maybe he meant this thursday, i.e. today... :lol
:lol :lol