What's up with Steve Kerr?

[Man of Steel]

Of course--he has to be "objective."

But I read somewhere on a Suns weblog that Kerr gave an interview in Phoenix before the game this weekend and supposedly remarked that Tim Duncan is the worst, most whinnying player in the league and that Manu is the all-time flopper.

Anyone hear any of this?

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

hmmm... I don't know about that...


I'll admit I liked Steve Kerr in his little run in 2003 for the Squad. But I don't really care for how he contributes to his day-job-- as far as sports analysis (and even commentating!) goes.

[Dave McNulla]

what if steve had said that tim communicates his feelings the most about non-calls, and that ginobili is the most successful at enhancing the representation of physical contact from other players? would that be OK?

[mabber]

Of course--he has to be "objective."

But I read somewhere on a Suns weblog that Kerr gave an interview in Phoenix before the game this weekend and supposedly remarked that Tim Duncan is the worst, most whinnying player in the league and that Manu is the all-time flopper.

Anyone hear any of this?

He played with Duncan so he'd know. From this fan's perspective it would be tough to top Duncan in that category although he seems to have got a little bit better lately. What I've never understood about Duncan is that he's such a class guy and great player I'd think that if he didn't whine about calls all the time it would work out for him much better (with the refs). You'd think he'd be smart enough to realize this. Refs would absolutely love a player that good not bitching about calls all the time.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

i'd need to see/hear proof

spurs always talks highly of the spurs organization so i'd be very surprised to hear him make such comments

[Josh810]

Umm yeah, I highly doubt he said that, or anything close to it.

[Kibic]

So he should lie?

[Strike]

Anyone who pays attention to the sport as a whole would know that compared to people like Rasheed Wallace, Allen Iverson, etc., Timmy doesn't even come CLOSE to being one of the top whiners in the league.

Yes Timmy does complain about some calls and/or non-calls. Everyone does. In the players' minds, none of them ever commit fouls. But anyone saying Duncan whines more than anyone else is retarded.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

duncan definitely whines more than Iverson, and I may even go as far as to say whines more than wallace on some occassions

the difference between wallace and duncan is that the refs actually T wallace up for his whining.

I think tim's whining has gone down a little bit this year, but as evidenced by today's game, he still needs to tone it down

[Strike]

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Sure Duncan whines. But nearly every time AI gets a call against him or thinks a non-call went against him, dude looks like he's gonna collapse to the floor and starting kicking the hardwood and crying, 6 year-old style.

Although to be fair, living in Portland I don't get to see many Spurs games on tv.

But I'm not gonna argue with a fellow Spurs fan. Plenty of Spurs haters on this board for that.

[Sec24Row7]

LOL about people talking about Tim's "whining"

He is a veteran superstar player who is entitled to talk to the officials...

Kobe does the same thing...

Nash does the same thing...

Dirk does the same thing...

Shaq does the same thing (with expletives like a moron)...

Timmy isnt any worse than any of these other players...

Tim also is justified on many of the no calls... he gets mugged ALL THE TIME on the block without getting fouls called... did you see how much he "whined" in game 4 vs Denver? Not very much... yet he plays through it and wins the game...

The only thing I dont like about Tim worrying about the officiating is that while he is doing that, he is worrying less about the game...

[jmard5]

Can you provide the link?

[Man of Steel]

Supposedly this was an interview on a local Phoenix radio or TV station, so there was not a link provided.

[TDMVPDPOY]

someone should give kerr that anti-hatorade drink

[Gaddabout]

I don't know if he divested when he got into broadcasting, but I know Kerr was part of Sarver's group when they first bought the team from the Colangelo's. He's also, of course, a Tucson resident and maintained ties to the Suns organization since they drafted him. I believe the Suns unsuccessfully tried to recruit him to the front office before, but it was definitely a friendly conversation. Lots of speculation that Sarver is waiting for Brian Colangelo's (left over) group to get jobs elsewhere or mess up so he can give Kerr the GM job. It should be noted that whenever the Suns front office is up to something, Sarver has been reported to seek Kerr's opinion before he makes up his own mind whether he agrees or not.

That will be a sad day, because BC left a lot of talent here in the front office.

[Kori Ellis]

Of course--he has to be "objective."

But I read somewhere on a Suns weblog that Kerr gave an interview in Phoenix before the game this weekend and supposedly remarked that Tim Duncan is the worst, most whinnying player in the league and that Manu is the all-time flopper.

Anyone hear any of this?

Why does he have to be objective? He owns part of the Suns:lol

Anyway, I don't think Kerr would say anything in that manner exactly, but I don't doubt he commented on the whining and flopping. I've heard him talk about Duncan's whining before.

[timvp]

Maybe one day Spurs fans won't consider Kerr a top ten player to wear the Silver and Black.

[Sec24Row7]

When Dale Ellis comes back and saves our ass in a game in the Western Conference finals I'll put him ahead of Kerr...

[Kent_in_Atlanta]

Umm yeah, I highly doubt he said that, or anything close to it.

Agreed. Don't believe rumors like this. If you have a concrete report, fine. Otherwise, don't waste your (our our) time with crap like this. It's nonsense.

[ATRAIN]

Everyone whines, complains, bitches!!! There is no one player that does it more. Tim does it yes, but he does also get a lot of non calls. Gino a flopper, thats like almost every SG in the league. Even if Kerr said it, what has he done for us lately!!!

[GhostofAlfrederickHughes]

I can see Kerr saying that---with his tongue planted firmly in cheek.

[MajorMike]

He played with Duncan so he'd know. From this fan's perspective it would be tough to top Duncan in that category although he seems to have got a little bit better lately. What I've never understood about Duncan is that he's such a class guy and great player I'd think that if he didn't whine about calls all the time it would work out for him much better (with the refs). You'd think he'd be smart enough to realize this. Refs would absolutely love a player that good not bitching about calls all the time.


Altho, I trust Barkley's opinion more than I do Kerr's, and he has said, in several different ways on many an occasion, that Duncan is the most fouled and least called player in the league.

I remember him saying, "Hell, you would whine too if you got beat on as much as he does with no calls."

[conversekid]

He's still bitter at Pop for not getting enough playing time. He was very bitter against Pop during his stay here.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Manu is a flopper, so what?

[samikeyp]

And when he has praised the Spurs...he has been called a genius here. So it goes.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Manu is a flopper, so what?

so is nash, barbosa, bell and their new found DEFENSE

[Oh, Gee!!]

so is nash, barbosa, bell and their new found DEFENSE


but manu is better at it than those guys, that's why we love him

[ATRAIN]

Speaking of Flopper did anyone see when Jacque Vaughn got a foul called on him on a pick n roll and knocked down Amare.....I mean come on do you think he could knock down a guy twice his size. PUUUHHHLEAZZZEEE!!

[conversekid]

It's not always flopping. Fouls happen and could be called on every possession in the NBA. The pace of the game is so quick, many times you have to sell the foul to get the call. Like when amare hooked Tim's arm on the rebound... It was a foul and probably wouldn't have been called unless Tim sold it. Does that make Timmy a flopper? The foul was there... he merely made sure the Ref was in a position to have to call it.

[spursfan09]

If Tim is so whiny then why doesn't he lead the league in techs? I admit he is pretty good atwhining, but alot of non-Spur fans like to point it out even though its not that bad. I'm sure in thier minds they wish thats How Tim would be remembered. The whining is not going to over shadow what he's done in his career no matter what so sorry.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Of course--he has to be "objective."

But I read somewhere on a Suns weblog that Kerr gave an interview in Phoenix before the game this weekend and supposedly remarked that Tim Duncan is the worst, most whinnying player in the league and that Manu is the all-time flopper.

Anyone hear any of this?

So, we're going off third hand info (at best) from some (obviously) biased Suns fan weblog?

Nice.

[kps0001]

So, we're going off third hand info (at best) from some (obviously) biased Suns fan weblog?

Nice.


I heard it on the way to work the other morning. KTAR 620 AM had Kerr on in the morning. I couldn't believe what I heard either coming from Kerr. The hosts, Doug and Wolf, were wanting Suns fans to bring diapers and baby rattles to the game which I thought was a really really ghey idea. I can't seem to find a clip of it though.

[Bob Lanier]

duncan definitely whines more than Iverson, and I may even go as far as to say whines more than wallace on some occassions

the difference between wallace and duncan is that the refs actually T wallace up for his whining.
:tu

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[SsKSpurs21]

He played with Duncan so he'd know. From this fan's perspective it would be tough to top Duncan in that category although he seems to have got a little bit better lately. What I've never understood about Duncan is that he's such a class guy and great player I'd think that if he didn't whine about calls all the time it would work out for him much better (with the refs). You'd think he'd be smart enough to realize this. Refs would absolutely love a player that good not bitching about calls all the time.

duncan has a psychology degree. what he is doing is putting doubt in the refs minds if they made the right call or not...then the next time they will feel obligated to make up for the call they thought they got wrong, even if it was the right call.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I heard it on the way to work the other morning. KTAR 620 AM had Kerr on in the morning. I couldn't believe what I heard either coming from Kerr. The hosts, Doug and Wolf, were wanting Suns fans to bring diapers and baby rattles to the game which I thought was a really really ghey idea. I can't seem to find a clip of it though.

I don't know what more confirmation we all need for a randomly cited post on a random Phoenix Suns fan web log with no link provided than a rookie poster that is a fan of the Phoenix Suns with 3 posts showing up to tell us all it is so.

:wakeup

Guess that settles that.

[kps0001]

I don't know what more confirmation we all need for a randomly cited post on a random Phoenix Suns fan web log with no link provided than a rookie poster that is a fan of the Phoenix Suns with 3 posts showing up to tell us all it is so.

:wakeup

Guess that settles that.


What do I care if you believe it or not. Kerr called out two of your guys and you can't seem to "handle the truth". What do I or anyone else who has stated this fact have to gain by making something like this up? Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things anyway?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What do I care if you believe it or not. Kerr called out two of your guys and you can't seem to "handle the truth". What do I or anyone else who has stated this fact have to gain by making something like this up? Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things anyway?

Where is this truth you speak of? Third hand info., that one poster says he read on a blog that he can't even produce a link to?

Here's my problem - Kerr has written all kinds of articles on Yahoo! Sports about how great the Spurs and Duncan are.

Yet I'm supposed to take your word on it because you're pouting on a message board.

If I get some audio proof of it, I'll be happy to eat some crow. Until then, I call bullshit.

[kps0001]

Where is this truth you speak of? Third hand info., that one poster says he read on a blog that he can't even produce a link to?

Here's my problem - Kerr has written all kinds of articles on Yahoo! Sports about how great the Spurs and Duncan are.

Yet I'm supposed to take your word on it because you're pouting on a message board.

If I get some audio proof of it, I'll be happy to eat some crow. Until then, I call bullshit.


I here you with the Kerr thing which is why i said I couldn't believe it either. Look man I heard it with my own ears on the radio. I searched for a few minutes and couldn't find any archive of it so I am not gonna waste anymore time looking for it. I could care less if you call bullshit and I could care less if you eat some crow. I heard what I heard and a lot of other Phoenix listeners did as well. I ask again does it really mean anything in the grand scheme of things?

Here is Doug and Wolf's email addresses...drop em a line and see if they have an archive of it as you probably won't believe them if they told you either and it was on their show.
[email protected]
[email protected] ( i think that is correct)

[bigfish22]

His mind hasn't been quite as sharp since MJ popped him one in practice.

[ambchang]

He played with Duncan so he'd know. From this fan's perspective it would be tough to top Duncan in that category although he seems to have got a little bit better lately. What I've never understood about Duncan is that he's such a class guy and great player I'd think that if he didn't whine about calls all the time it would work out for him much better (with the refs). You'd think he'd be smart enough to realize this. Refs would absolutely love a player that good not bitching about calls all the time.
And yet Duncan is at a career high in FTA/FGA this year, if this is working, I say whine away until it stops working.
Go Duncan Go (whine).

[ambchang]

duncan definitely whines more than Iverson, and I may even go as far as to say whines more than wallace on some occassions

the difference between wallace and duncan is that the refs actually T wallace up for his whining.

I think tim's whining has gone down a little bit this year, but as evidenced by today's game, he still needs to tone it down
Dude, seriously, you have got to stop this. You admitted that you watch mostly Spurs game, thus see more of Duncan whining in the past, but you can't help but continues to put your opinions as facts.
I just think that you are trying too hard to appear impartial on the board, and continue to pick up the most minute details of the Spurs fault, exaggerate them, such that other posters will respect what you say in the future.
But all this does it propagate some the myths surrounding the Spurs.
Does Tim whines, sure he does, but name me one player who doesn't. He doesn't have many Ts because he does not whine as much as people says he does. It is a fact that he is tied for 15th in Ts this year, that's below Kobe, Dirk, Amare, Carmelo, Jermaine and AI.

[Marcus Bryant]

The most vivid memory of Steve Kerr I have is during Game 2 of the '99 WCF (yes, MDM) when the Blazers left his ass wide open behind the arc with the rock. His Spur career was absolutely unremarkable up until Game 6 of the '03 WCF and then he Bogarted the credit for that comeback from Jack.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

His mind hasn't been quite as sharp since MJ popped him one in practice.
:lol My problem with Steve Kerr the commentator, is when he starts calling games when the ballgame is far from over. He ends up eating his words. (He's worse than Tpark on the gameblogs--no offense, Tpark)

Then, in his little yahoo-journals, whatever, where he makes predictions, he seems like he's pandering for an acceptable prediction or whatever.


Anyway, I think if he made those comments about Timmy and Manu, they were tongue-in-cheek, ribbings of them. Timmy does whine, and Manu's the best at selling fouls.

[Man of Steel]

I don't know what more confirmation we all need for a randomly cited post on a random Phoenix Suns fan web log with no link provided than a rookie poster that is a fan of the Phoenix Suns with 3 posts showing up to tell us all it is so.

:wakeup

Guess that settles that.

The Suns weblog also stated the bit about the hosts stating that the fans should bring baby rattles to the games, so yes--this does confirm it since I did not mention this in the original post that I made.

[Man of Steel]

BTW--

Here is the weblog link--

The Phoenix writer confirms this since I did not mention anything about the baby rattles in the original posting--

http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=90225

[dreamcastrocks]

Speaking of Flopper did anyone see when Jacque Vaughn got a foul called on him on a pick n roll and knocked down Amare.....I mean come on do you think he could knock down a guy twice his size. PUUUHHHLEAZZZEEE!!

When one guy is standing still and the other had a head of steam in front of him, yeah it is more than possible. You said it yourself that Vaughn knocked down Amare, but now you wonder why he was called for the foul? :rolleyes

[LilMissSPURfect]

I Havent had the pleasure of reading the whole thread, but in the last couple post i hear about rattles and diapers.....are those for SUNS or SPURS?

my guess (to the ones that would need it more) but i figured tampons for nash and a pogo stick for d'antoni.....I mean you guys did see the SHOW of whinnnnnniiiness all afternoon come outta the suns right? Are the fans blind?

[kps0001]

Here is the interview where Steve certainly calls Manu a flopper and while he doesn't say that Tim is a whiner straight out he doesn't disagree and says the original comment is not far off. Its about 2/3 of the way through the clip and continues thorugh the end.

http://sports.ktar.com/emedia/19958.mp3

[zrinkill]

Suns fans are already resorting to making crap up .... :lol :lol :lol :lol

[kps0001]

Suns fans are already resorting to making crap up .... :lol :lol :lol :lol


a couple of days late with that comment. you guys asked for audio proof and I gave it to you.

[4001 STEREO SPUR]

I can't believe nobody heard him say it. He said it before the game, I think. On T.V.

He said that Tim's a good..great (whatever) friend and he's one of his favorite teammates blah blah blah...that he has played with and then said he's one of the bigger whiners.