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Yonivore
05-08-2007, 08:55 AM
...the Death Penalty.

Man convicted in 1969 murder spree to be paroled (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2007/05/07/0507parole.html?imw=Y)

In 1969 this scumbag and a scumbag friend went on a killing spree in the Atlanta area. When they were done, six people were dead. One of those people was a 12-year-old boy. Another one of the victims was Daniel Arthur DuLac. DuLac was a veteran who had been home from Vietnam for only six months. The scum shot DuLac in the chest with a shotgun.

Carter Arnold was convicted of the murder of three of the victims, including DuLac. He was also convicted of nine robberies. He received a total of five life sentences.

Well, the Georgia Board of Pardons and Parole let Arnold out of jail. They let him out of jail two years ago. He was sent to an aftercare home, but soon proved that he was unwilling to follow rules. Back to jail he went. Parole revoked.

Well, guess what? Carter Arnold Jr. has been paroled again. Next Tuesday he is going to walk free from a Georgia prison.

They should of killed him in 1969.

Sportcamper
05-08-2007, 09:23 AM
Society Owes Carter Arnold!!! The poor guy grew up in an abusive household where his father yelled at him for lighting cats on fire & throwing bricks at the windshield of passing cars...

01.20.09
05-08-2007, 10:10 AM
Off with their heads!!!

PixelPusher
05-08-2007, 10:22 AM
Oh well, gotta make room for the mandatory sentencing of pot-heads.

George Gervin's Afro
05-08-2007, 10:39 AM
Oh well, gotta make room for the mandatory sentencing of pot-heads.


:oops

FromWayDowntown
05-08-2007, 11:07 AM
It doesn't apply here, but I'm sure Yonivore would have no qualms about executing someone only to learn a few years later that the person was actually wrongly convicted.

I guess those would just be the breaks of the game.

Yonivore
05-08-2007, 11:47 AM
sounds like the problem is when georgia gives life sentences, it doesn't mean the perp stays in for life
Maybe, but there've also been cases when subsequent legislatures have changed the meaning of "life in prison" and, so, if you don't execute the bastards there's always the chance some bleeding-heart liberal judge or group of legislators will come along and do this.

Death sentences carried out swiftly and judiciously are the only solution to preventing this kind of nonsense.

FromWayDowntown
05-08-2007, 11:59 AM
Death sentences carried out swiftly and judiciously are the only solution to preventing this kind of nonsense.

Particularly since captial criminal prosecutions are rarely infiltrated with erroneous evidence or mistaken witnesses.

Spurminator
05-08-2007, 01:13 PM
Maybe, but there've also been cases when subsequent legislatures have changed the meaning of "life in prison" and, so, if you don't execute the bastards there's always the chance some bleeding-heart liberal judge or group of legislators will come along and do this.

That's still a "meaning of life in prison" issue.

Yonivore
05-08-2007, 01:19 PM
Particularly since captial criminal prosecutions are rarely infiltrated with erroneous evidence or mistaken witnesses.
I don't have a problem with tightening the criteria for convictions that are subject to capital punishment. With DNA and improved scientific methods for connecting a criminal to a crime, I think your concern is outdated.

In this case, there was absolutely no doubt he was guilty of the crimes. He should have been executed. Instead, he'll be out on the streets to kill again.

Mr. Peabody
05-08-2007, 01:22 PM
Death sentences carried out swiftly and judiciously are the only solution to preventing this kind of nonsense.

I would think that those two goals would conflict.

Mr. Peabody
05-08-2007, 01:28 PM
I don't have a problem with tightening the criteria for convictions that are subject to capital punishment. With DNA and improved scientific methods for connecting a criminal to a crime, I think your concern is outdated.



Crime-lab worker puts cases in doubt

SANFORD -- A state crime-lab analyst who falsified DNA data has thrown into doubt an undetermined number of criminal cases in Florida.

Defense attorneys may begin challenging the scientific findings in every case involving John Fitzpatrick, who worked as a blood and DNA specialist at the Orlando crime laboratory of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Fitzpatrick admitted Feb. 1 to switching DNA samples and changing data in a test designed to check the quality of work at the lab, according to an internal investigative report. He was either fired or dismissed shortly after that -- the agency would not say which....

Forensic scientist in crime lab tied to wrongful convictions in Oregon

A forensic scientist whose testimony helped wrongfully convict two young men of murder in Oregon has been working for the Washington State Patrol crime lab since the case unraveled nine years ago.

Forensic scientist Charles Vaughan, a veteran of the Oregon State Police crime lab, was hired by the State Patrol's Tacoma crime lab in July 1995, eight months after a judge freed Chris Boots and Eric Proctor from prison.

The two men spent eight years behind bars for a murder they didn't commit -- the June 1983 execution-style slaying of a convenience store clerk in Springfield, Ore...

Harris County, Texas DA orders retesting in latest lab probe

Almost 2 years before the first public indication of the decaying conditions and tainted work at the Houston Police Department crime laboratory, Harris County District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal asked the lab's supervisor about any problems that might jeopardize prosecutions.

"Given our duty to see that justice is done, doing anything less would put criminal defendants at risk of an unjust disposition of their cases," Rosenthal wrote to Donald Krueger in January 2001, 2 weeks after first being sworn in as district attorney.

"If a pattern of significant error emerges with respect to any particular employee of your laboratory, this office may be compelled to disclose that pattern to defense counsel ... to see that justice is done," he warned.

That task appears to be at hand - again.

In the wake of the most recent accusation of unreliable work by the crime lab, Rosenthal confirms that he has ordered retesting of evidence in any pending drug cases processed by HPD chemist Vipul Patel...

Oh, Gee!!
05-08-2007, 01:38 PM
Maybe, but there've also been cases when subsequent legislatures have changed the meaning of "life in prison" and, so, if you don't execute the bastards there's always the chance some bleeding-heart liberal judge or group of legislators will come along and do this.

Death sentences carried out swiftly and judiciously are the only solution to preventing this kind of nonsense.


Georgia is the France of the South after all

Yonivore
05-08-2007, 02:18 PM
I would think that those two goals would conflict.
Of course you would.

FromWayDowntown
05-08-2007, 03:03 PM
Curiously, there appears to have been nothing (that I can find in a quick search) to suggest that Carter Arnold couldn't have been sentenced to death when he was convicted. Georgia law at the time the crime was committed, allowed for the imposition of a death penalty for capital crimes. In 1972, the Supreme Court reversed a Georgia death sentence, holding that the manner in which the punishment was inflicted was too arbitrary to be anything other than cruel and unusual; but by 1976, the Georgia Legislature had re-written its capital punishment law in a manner that was sufficient to end the moratorium on executions.

Also, at the time that Carter Arnold was convicted, there doesn't appear to have been any law on the books in Georgia that prohibited the execution of a minor -- Arnold was 16 when he committed the crimes.

Either Yonivore thinks he knows more than the prosecutor and the jury in Arnold's case, or Yonivore thinks that prosecutors and juries are just too stupid to be trusted with things like condemning people to death and that execution should be a mandatory sentence attached to every capital conviction.

PixelPusher
05-08-2007, 03:06 PM
Either Yonivore thinks he knows more than the prosecutor and the jury in Arnold's case, or Yonivore thinks that prosecutors and juries are just too stupid to be trusted with things like condemning people to death and that execution should be a mandatory sentence attached to every capital conviction.
Well, Yonivore is an accredited legal scholar, donchaknow.

Mr. Peabody
05-08-2007, 03:44 PM
Curiously, there appears to have been nothing (that I can find in a quick search) to suggest that Carter Arnold couldn't have been sentenced to death when he was convicted. Georgia law at the time the crime was committed, allowed for the imposition of a death penalty for capital crimes. In 1972, the Supreme Court reversed a Georgia death sentence, holding that the manner in which the punishment was inflicted was too arbitrary to be anything other than cruel and unusual; but by 1976, the Georgia Legislature had re-written its capital punishment law in a manner that was sufficient to end the moratorium on executions.

Also, at the time that Carter Arnold was convicted, there doesn't appear to have been any law on the books in Georgia that prohibited the execution of a minor -- Arnold was 16 when he committed the crimes.

Either Yonivore thinks he knows more than the prosecutor and the jury in Arnold's case, or Yonivore thinks that prosecutors and juries are just too stupid to be trusted with things like condemning people to death and that execution should be a mandatory sentence attached to every capital conviction.

That's why we shouldn't have activist juries legislating from the jury box.

FromWayDowntown
05-08-2007, 04:13 PM
That's why we shouldn't have activist juries legislating from the jury box.

or activist prosecutors who legislate in the grand jury room by lacking the balls to immediately seek the death penalty in every murder case.