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Suns feeling heat, seeking answers, making changesBy Marc Stein
ESPN.com
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PHOENIX -- The next dunk thrown down by Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion or any other Sun you want to name will be the Suns' first dunk of the series. :drunk

Seriously.

That's how deeply Phoenix has been suffocated by its desert drought against San Antonio.

The Suns have yet to win a single home playoff game against the San Antonio Spurs in the Steve Nash era, but they reached new depths Sunday. In the Game 1 loss that extended that dry spell to 0-4, Phoenix didn't manage a single slam, either.

Mark that down as yet another illustration of the Spurs' unrivaled ability to prevent the Suns from being who they are against everyone else.

The modern game's answer to Showtime, remember?

It's typically foolish to overreact to one game in the second round, but that's the thing. It's not just one game when you're talking Suns and Spurs. A pattern has been established over the last three years, which is why Game 1, for confidence reasons, was a virtual must-win for the Suns.

When it comes to Tuesday night's Game 2, you can go ahead and scratch "virtual."

It's such a must from a Phoenix perspective -- and for the neutrals out there counting on this series to be as good as promised -- that even Tim Duncan couldn't stifle the urge to jab the Suns about the stakes.

"If we put these guys down 2-0, going back to our house, it puts some incredible pressure on them," Duncan says.

"I think there's some incredible pressure anyway with us up 1-0."

No matter how obvious such declarations seem, you never expect to hear Duncan pile on the hyperbole. But he's a rather giddy guy these days, breaking into a wider-than-usual grin when someone asked him to react to the Dallas Mavericks' first-round exit and sounding no less pleased that the Suns largely single-teamed him in the series opener.

The Suns are indeed planning to change their Duncan strategy somewhat by inserting Kurt Thomas into the starting lineup in place of James Jones, with Thomas expected to start on Duncan to spare Stoudemire from early foul trouble.

What Phoenix really needs, though, is better defense on the other Spurs if they're going to guard Duncan straight-up. TD is supposed to produce a 33-point, 16-rebound stat line when he's going one-on-one, no matter who's trying to defend him. The problem is Tony Parker adding 31 points to Duncan's total … and Michael Finley tacking on 19.

"It's almost Kobe-ish," Suns swingman Raja Bell said.

Translation?

You can get away with getting shredded by a Duncan or Kobe Bryant, Bell went on to explain, if you're "limiting other people's opportunities."

Another potential adjustment from Phoenix is giving Bell an opportunity or two to chase Parker around. Neither Marion's length nor Leandro Barbosa's speed bothered Parker in the opener … and ditto for the Suns' willingness to give the Frenchman as many jumpers as he wanted. Of Parker's 14 field goals, only three were layups. Seven of his baskets were jumpers in the 20-foot range.

The Suns' frustrated leaders, mind you, are banking on an attitude adjustment more than anything. Back in 2005, when Joe Johnson couldn't play because of a broken face, Phoenix didn't have nearly as much firepower and could rationalize losing Games 1 and 2 at home despite taking leads into the fourth quarter both times. But now that they're 4-12 overall against the Spurs since Nash rejoined them for the 2004-05 season, having surrendered their home-court advantage so quickly again, Mike D'Antoni and Nash are openly voicing their frustrations.

D'Antoni joined Nash on the day after in publicly questioning the Suns' hunger/effort/fire … although the contention here is that Phoenix is suffering most from self-belief issues against the Spurs.

From press row, it didn't look as though Stoudemire and Barbosa conspired to shoot a combined 2-for-13 in the fourth quarter of Game 1 because they didn't want it badly enough. The Suns, when San Antonio is on the other side, simply don't share D'Antoni and Nash's confidence that -- healthier than they've ever been in the Nash era apart from their QB's stitched-up nose -- they're finally ready to overcome their deficits in the size, chemistry and championship know-how departments to topple the Spurs.

"This is the toughest matchup for us," Nash says. "They've got more experience than us. They've got size [and] sort of a collective toughness you have to deal with."

Said D'Antoni: "I hate to say this, and I hope it [comes out] the right way. I think we have more talent than they do. I think that we're individually better."

But …

"Collectively," D'Antoni continued, "they're better right now."

Can that change over the course of seven games? If Stoudemire can beat microfracture surgery in such a short span, maybe anything really is possible.

Then again …

If the Suns can't get Game 2, it's probably not even a question worth asking.

D'Antoni's post-practice address to his team won't exactly hush the growing belief that the Nash-Stoudemire-Marion triumvirate will be dunked and dismantled if the Suns can't win this series.

Or at least make it a series.

Said D'Antoni: "I told them today, 'This could be your only chance in life to be a champion.'"

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.






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Jimcs50
05-08-2007, 11:42 AM
TD telling it like it is.....refreshing.

degenerate_gambler
05-08-2007, 11:59 AM
I get phx's frustration at not being able to get the better of the spurs..


reminds me of us and the jazz back in the day.

Ed Helicopter Jones
05-08-2007, 12:04 PM
D'Antoni has made this a "do-or-die" game with his players. If they win, great for them, but if they lose I think it sets the stage for the rest of the series to go San Antonio's way.

kps0001
05-08-2007, 12:05 PM
5 straight playoff losses at home is pretty frustrating. Especially when they have all been pretty close games if I recall correctly. Hopefully that changes tonight. Cant wait!!

nkdlunch
05-08-2007, 12:38 PM
Bell on Parker, I expect Parker to be slowed down.

but this is perfect opportunity for Manu. Manu better show up!!!!

I am calling it right now, Manu will get 20+pts today.

TampaDude
05-08-2007, 12:40 PM
Manu has a breakout game, and the Spurs cruise...102-89...

Amare_32
05-08-2007, 12:54 PM
I see Marc is getting a head start on the annual Marion trade rumors.

Mavs<Spurs
05-08-2007, 01:19 PM
I see Marc is getting a head start on the annual Marion trade rumors.


Marion is (1) a really good defender, (2) a great rebounder, (3) can give you almost 20 points a game (4) an unbelievable athlete and (5) a very good 3 point shooter.

Why, then, would anybody in their right mind trade him away?

Moreover, I have never heard anybody say anything bad about him as a person.

dreamcastrocks
05-08-2007, 01:25 PM
D'Antoni has made this a "do-or-die" game with his players. If they win, great for them, but if they lose I think it sets the stage for the rest of the series to go San Antonio's way.

Do you really think that the Suns could win 4 out of the next 5 games, including losing the first two at home?

No one else does either.

dreamcastrocks
05-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Marion is (1) a really good defender, (2) a great rebounder, (3) can give you almost 20 points a game (4) an unbelievable athlete and (5) a very good 3 point shooter.

Why, then, would anybody in their right mind trade him away?

Moreover, I have never heard anybody say anything bad about him as a person.

Have you ever been to a Suns forum? The trade Marion banter has been alive and well for years. If not anything else, his disappearing act in most of his playoff career is what has most Suns fans seething.

Kevin Blackistone
05-08-2007, 01:28 PM
Marion is (1) a really good defender, (2) a great rebounder, (3) can give you almost 20 points a game (4) an unbelievable athlete and (5) a very good 3 point shooter.

Why, then, would anybody in their right mind trade him away?

Moreover, I have never heard anybody say anything bad about him as a person.

I personally wouldn't trade him, but he is 1) a good, but overrated defender, 2) a glass cleaner with a very streaky shot who can't create for himself, and for whatever reason can't slash to the basket, and 3) a guy who can get 20 pts a game when you let him run and get layups all day.

He's a tweener, and as such has a hard time matching up some teams. He's offensively reliant on Nash, and can be taken out of a game by the defense.

dreamcastrocks
05-08-2007, 01:33 PM
I personally wouldn't trade him, but he is 1) a good, but overrated defender, 2) a glass cleaner with a very streaky shot who can't create for himself, and for whatever reason can't slash to the basket, and 3) a guy who can get 20 pts a game when you let him run and get layups all day.

He's a tweener, and as such has a hard time matching up some teams. He's offensively reliant on Nash, and can be taken out of a game by the defense.

That is a pretty good evaluation of Marion overall.