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deepsouth
05-13-2007, 03:54 PM
Sun's words fuel Spurs' fire

Stoudemire's calling San Antonio players 'dirty' burns Phoenix, 108-101


12:55 AM CDT on Sunday, May 13, 2007

SAN ANTONIO – Amare Stoudemire is an exceptional talent.

Too bad for Phoenix he stinks as a motivational speaker.

The Suns center couldn't let a sleeping champion lie. Stoudemire called out San Antonio before Game 3, enflamed an already hostile crowd, then stepped back and let his teammates deal with the consequences.

If you want to call the Spurs dirty, fine. But you'd better go elbow to elbow and match their intensity. You'd better stay on the court and do something about it.

Stoudemire didn't. He took himself out of the game with foul trouble, and that made it easier for San Antonio to take down the Suns, 108-101, on Saturday.

The loss can't be laid solely at Stoudemire's feet. Steve Nash had a forgettable evening, missing his first nine shots from the field. His first basket came with five minutes left in the third quarter as San Antonio's Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker badgered the two-time MVP at every pick-and-roll turn.

But there was more to this game than the failure of the Suns' two best players. Tim Duncan had 33 points and 19 rebounds for the Spurs. Manu Ginobili, who had just 18 points in his previous three playoff games, exploded for 24 points, the majority of them coming after Shawn Marion raked him across the face and bruised his left eye late in the third quarter.

"Good players playing well is mandatory in the playoffs or that team is going to struggle," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said.

Someone needs to pass that message along to Stoudemire.

You can argue Stoudemire played well. Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni did. But he didn't play smart.

Stoudemire committed two fouls before the game was eight minutes old. He picked up his fourth foul with 10:35 left in the third quarter trying to get offensive position in the post. He sat out the rest of the period, started the fourth, then went back to the bench 19 seconds later after being called for his fifth foul.

"Yeah, he got frustrated," D'Antoni said. "He's going to have to avoid the little stuff.

"But some of the stuff you can't avoid. You've got to protect the basket. I thought a couple of those [fouls] were very close."

Stoudemire played less than 21 minutes. Six Phoenix players were on the court longer. Six Spurs were on the court longer.

If that happens again Monday night, the Suns will be one loss from elimination.

"I just play hard out there and get penalized sometimes," said Stoudemire, who scored 21 points in his limited engagement. "But sometimes, I've just got to let guys go ahead and lay it up or dunk so I can stay out of foul trouble."

Prodded by Stoudemire's words – Duncan said the Spurs entered Saturday's game "with a chip on their shoulders" after the comments – San Antonio regained the swagger that was missing after a 20-point loss in Game 2. The Spurs did it not by being dirty, but by attacking the Suns at every opportunity. This was a physical game.

"Well, half of it," D'Antoni corrected. "Their half. Now we've got to make it our half.

"We've just got to be tougher. If that's the way everybody wants it, then we'll play that way, too. We've just got to take care of business."

Before the game, when asked about Stoudemire's allegation that the Spurs are a dirty team, Popovich joked that his group is right up there with the Oakland Raiders and the Detroit Pistons of old. He then had this to say about Stoudemire.

"Amare is a great player," Popovich said, "and he's very young."

That's become apparent in the days since the Suns' Game 2 win.

"It's tough," Nash said. "He [Stoudemire] is still figuring it out. He's a young player. He got caught a couple of times in some tough situations and he's on the bench.

"He must try not to let it happen again, but there are no guarantees."

nkdlunch
05-13-2007, 04:26 PM
"The Suns center couldn't let a sleeping champion lie. Stoudemire called out San Antonio before Game 3, enflamed an already hostile crowd, then stepped back and let his teammates deal with the consequences. "

that about sums it up :lmao

milkyway21
05-14-2007, 02:12 AM
Sun's words fuel Spurs' fire

Stoudemire's calling San Antonio players 'dirty' burns Phoenix, 108-101


12:55 AM CDT on Sunday, May 13, 2007

SAN ANTONIO – Amare Stoudemire is an exceptional talent.

Too bad for Phoenix he stinks as a motivational speaker.

The Suns center couldn't let a sleeping champion lie. Stoudemire called out San Antonio before Game 3, enflamed an already hostile crowd, then stepped back and let his teammates deal with the consequences.

If you want to call the Spurs dirty, fine. But you'd better go elbow to elbow and match their intensity. You'd better stay on the court and do something about it.

Stoudemire didn't. He took himself out of the game with foul trouble, and that made it easier for San Antonio to take down the Suns, 108-101, on Saturday.

The loss can't be laid solely at Stoudemire's feet. Steve Nash had a forgettable evening, missing his first nine shots from the field. His first basket came with five minutes left in the third quarter as San Antonio's Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker badgered the two-time MVP at every pick-and-roll turn.

But there was more to this game than the failure of the Suns' two best players. Tim Duncan had 33 points and 19 rebounds for the Spurs. Manu Ginobili, who had just 18 points in his previous three playoff games, exploded for 24 points, the majority of them coming after Shawn Marion raked him across the face and bruised his left eye late in the third quarter.

"Good players playing well is mandatory in the playoffs or that team is going to struggle," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said.

Someone needs to pass that message along to Stoudemire.

You can argue Stoudemire played well. Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni did. But he didn't play smart.

Stoudemire committed two fouls before the game was eight minutes old. He picked up his fourth foul with 10:35 left in the third quarter trying to get offensive position in the post. He sat out the rest of the period, started the fourth, then went back to the bench 19 seconds later after being called for his fifth foul.

"Yeah, he got frustrated," D'Antoni said. "He's going to have to avoid the little stuff.

"But some of the stuff you can't avoid. You've got to protect the basket. I thought a couple of those [fouls] were very close."

Stoudemire played less than 21 minutes. Six Phoenix players were on the court longer. Six Spurs were on the court longer.

If that happens again Monday night, the Suns will be one loss from elimination.

"I just play hard out there and get penalized sometimes," said Stoudemire, who scored 21 points in his limited engagement. "But sometimes, I've just got to let guys go ahead and lay it up or dunk so I can stay out of foul trouble."

Prodded by Stoudemire's words – Duncan said the Spurs entered Saturday's game "with a chip on their shoulders" after the comments – San Antonio regained the swagger that was missing after a 20-point loss in Game 2. The Spurs did it not by being dirty, but by attacking the Suns at every opportunity. This was a physical game.

"Well, half of it," D'Antoni corrected. "Their half. Now we've got to make it our half.

"We've just got to be tougher. If that's the way everybody wants it, then we'll play that way, too. We've just got to take care of business."

Before the game, when asked about Stoudemire's allegation that the Spurs are a dirty team, Popovich joked that his group is right up there with the Oakland Raiders and the Detroit Pistons of old. He then had this to say about Stoudemire.

"Amare is a great player," Popovich said, "and he's very young."

That's become apparent in the days since the Suns' Game 2 win.

"It's tough," Nash said. "He [Stoudemire] is still figuring it out. He's a young player. He got caught a couple of times in some tough situations and he's on the bench.

"He must try not to let it happen again, but there are no guarantees."

I may add one article about that...

Buck Harvey: Old Manu returns — and Stoudemire stays forever young

Web Posted: 05/13/2007 12:38 AM CDT


San Antonio Express-News

Amare Stoudemire is getting smarter. Two years ago, after a dunk, he liked to fall to the floor for a few push-ups. :lol
Saturday he saved his energy. He chose to play only 20 minutes.

He sat, of course, because he was in foul trouble, and there might have been a call in there he didn't deserve. It happens. But when Mike D'Antoni suggests the refs did this to Stoudemire, he's kidding himself.

Robert Horry, with a quick cut into Stoudemire, did this. Tim Duncan, stretching for the rim 19 seconds into the fourth quarter, did this. And Fab Oberto, with position and a clever move, did this.

This is what happens when basketball IQ is applied, and Stoudemire has seen it firsthand. :lmao

Manu Ginobili was the difference then, too.

Athens seems like a long time ago for Ginobili. Since winning the gold medal there, he's been an NBA All-Star, won a title and been called dirty. Stoudemire, doing the equivalent of the verbal push-up last week, said that.


Something else happened. The magic within Ginobili has withered at times. It was still withering for more than a half Saturday until the Suns knocked some sense into him. Then he took a gash under his left eye and finally saw the basket clearly.

He said later the incident helped him because he got upset. And this is yet another part of the Stoudemire they-are-dirty parable. Ginobili never talks about the blows he takes; instead of talking about the other team, he prefers to take it out on them on the floor.

With his eye watering, he threw in 12 of the Spurs' final 14 points of the third quarter, building a lead they would never lose. Duncan said the Spurs will have to scratch his other eye for the next game, because they need this Ginobili.

This Ginobili? When the Spurs beat the Suns in the 2005 Western Conference finals, D'Antoni called him "one of the best players on the planet."

The world stage said that, too. He played the 2004 Olympics the way he did the end of the third quarter, and along the way Argentina beat a U.S. team that included, among others, Duncan and Stoudemire.

The Americans had far more talent, and this is the kind of thing that D'Antoni talked about last week when he said the Suns had more talent than the Spurs. Collectively, he said then, the Spurs were better.

When D'Antoni talked about "talent," he meant physical talent. Jumping, shooting, running. The Argentines won because they played together, and because they understood the subtleties. Their teamwork handled Duncan, too, partly because of their own center. Oberto.

Stoudemire is the physical and mental opposite. Few big men have ever had his combination of explosion and touch, and he's good enough to change Game 4. He's all-NBA first team this season for a reason.

But Stoudemire still doesn't get all the details. As Gregg Popovich said before the game, "Amare is a great player, and he is very young."

Calling the Spurs dirty is just part of that. More critical to his game is his consistent inability to stay out of foul trouble.

For example, both Duncan and Stoudemire had two fouls in the first half. D'Antoni hid Stoudemire by putting him on Bruce Bowen. But with the Spurs struggling, Popovich had no choice but to gamble by putting Duncan on Stoudemire.

Popovich figured right. Duncan is smart enough to know what he can get away with.

Stoudemire isn't, and that was proven when he picked up his fifth foul. Then Duncan went up over him to start the fourth quarter, and Stoudemire couldn't resist the block attempt.

"Sometimes I've just got to let guys go ahead and lay it up or dunk," he said afterward, "so I can stay out of foul trouble."


It's a lesson Horry learned long ago in Houston, and one that Oberto learned in Spain or on the Argentina national team, and one that Duncan might have grasped at Wake Forest.

Stoudemire acts as if this knowledge is new.

"He needs to avoid some of the little stuff," D'Antoni said.

When it's really big stuff.



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deepsouth
05-14-2007, 07:59 AM
Very nice.
I hadnt read this. Thanks Milky

Samr
05-14-2007, 08:56 AM
And by "physical play" D'Antoni of course means "defense." And he of all people should know you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Where was this "physical play" during the season?

jmard5
05-14-2007, 09:09 AM
Nice objective view.