Our Missing Servicemen

[xrayzebra]

I hope everyone on this forum is praying or hoping our
missing servicemen don't suffer the horrors that have
happened to others that have fallen into the hands of
these poor misunderstood insurgents. (Terrorist) And when or if
it does, I wonder what you reaction will be.

Somehow, I don't think it will be pictures of them in
the nude or with dog collars around their necks which
you thought was so degrading and humiliating, I'm sure
there will be pictures, but ones I don't really relish to
see.

May God bless our members of the service and
protect them in their captivity. And may God curse them
if they do to them as they have done to their other
captives.

[clambake]

God help'em.

Strategy is to blame, or the lack of it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I was thinking about this yesterday. God help our GIs..

[FromWayDowntown]

I suspect that if they are in the hands of the insurgents, their fate is sealed.

I pray for their safe return.

[clambake]

Two vehicles with soldiers that have no other support, in a place they themselves call the "Triangle of Death".

That's fucking stupid. May be time for some thoughtful fragging.

[xrayzebra]

God help'em.

Strategy is to blame, or the lack of it.

Who's strategy? The dimm-o-craps who say we have
already lost and who got the terrorist bill of rights passed.

Or Bush, who is fighting the terrorist on many fronts.

And if their is no AQ in Iraq, how come they claim to
have them and are now threatening the U.S. if they
don't quit searching for them.........

[clambake]

Military strategy. You are so fucking narrow-minded. They sent them in there with no support, dumbass.

[RandomGuy]

Great.

Two service members go missing is an excuse to bash democrats?

[DarkReign]

Great.

Two service members go missing is an excuse to bash democrats?

The Darfur Massacre is to be blamed on the <insert opposing political party here>. Didnt you know that?

Wheres the toilet flushing icon?

[xrayzebra]

The Darfur Massacre is to be blamed on the <insert opposing political party here>. Didnt you know that?

Wheres the toilet flushing icon?

Would you please be so kind as to enlighten me on how
expressing ones view is incorrect?

Speaking one's mind is no longer allowed? Pointing out
the opposing party's "words", that they did utter, is not
allowed?

[boutons_]

Do you think they are being allowed to make a phone call?
lawyers allowed access to them?
getting waterboarded or Abu-Ghraibed?
being attackd by dogs?
being photographed naked cornholing each other?
secretely expedited to the Pakistani FATAs?

[DarkReign]

Would you please be so kind as to enlighten me on how
expressing ones view is incorrect?

Speaking one's mind is no longer allowed? Pointing out
the opposing party's "words", that they did utter, is not
allowed?

If you cant ask yourself those same questions and not come to the proper context, then once again, youre just NBADan with a different affiliation.

[xrayzebra]

If you cant ask yourself those same questions and not come to the proper context, then once again, youre just NBADan with a different affiliation.

Okay, will you please tell me how the dimm-o-craps
(okay for you Democrats) have made this country
safer. Just one example will be enough.

And quoting "boutons"

Do you think they are being allowed to make a phone call?
lawyers allowed access to them?
getting waterboarded or Abu-Ghraibed?
being attackd by dogs?
being photographed naked cornholing each other?
secretely expedited to the Pakistani FATAs?

speaking the dimm-o-craps theme song has made us
safer. Since he and the dimm-o-craps have been given
their way. Oh, and since he seems to have a problem
with the distinction between civil crimes, civil liberties
for U.S. citizens and enemy combatants.

Obviously he cant tell the difference.

[DarkReign]

You seem to be under the assumption that I am somehow defending the leftists. Youd be mistaken under that assumption.

[clambake]

Politics has nothing to do with poorly planned military strategy. Ineffective military leadership is to blame. They seem to have no clue. How the fuck do you send them out there so poorly protected and undermanned?

[1369]

Politics has nothing to do with poorly planned military strategy. Ineffective military leadership is to blame. They seem to have no clue. How the fuck do you send them out there so poorly protected and undermanned?

Think that is stupid? Newest EOF rules have our boys and girls throwing fucking penalty flags at approaching unknown vehicles/people (http://badgerjake.blogspot.com/).

How's that for brilliant?

[sabar]

You're clueless if you think the military is honestly going to be better or worse under any political party. No party today is seriously militaristic. They are going to be undermanned out there no matter what. The public will not provide what is needed to fight an insurgency, it is unrealistic and extremely expensive. Yes, we will provide B-2 bombers and $45,000 bombs, but those are all for traditional warfare.

Short of expanding special forces to the point of it replacing our infantry, we're screwed no matter what against guerilla warfare.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I doubt these soldiers will be found alive, but I'm holding out hope. I feel worse for their families, they must be going through hell right now.

[clambake]

I'd frag those orders. When is it time for our kids to use their common sense instead of sense of duty?

[johnsmith]

I'd frag those orders. When is it time for our kids to use their common sense instead of sense of duty?


They don't have common sense, John Kerry told us so.

[DarkReign]

I'd frag those orders. When is it time for our kids to use their common sense instead of sense of duty?

You obviously know nothing of military prisons. Disobeying a direct order is one of the highest crimes of military court, and depending on what that order was ("wash that floor!" compared to "Charge that hill!"....see the difference?) that moment of disobedience could cost you your freedom for life.

Military "brigs" make civilian prisons look like Disneyland (except for the MAX prisons, of course). There is no worse fate.

[clambake]

I recall a regiment that refused to participate in a supply convoy. No prison time for these soldiers because common sense was applied.

[johnsmith]

I recall a regiment that refused to participate in a supply convoy. No prison time for these soldiers because common sense was applied.


I'm seriously not doubting you, but link please? I'd like to read about that.

Again, I'm not trying to be a smartass here, just curious.

[clambake]

I don't have a link, just from memory. But, I assure you this did occur.

[01Snake]

Do you think they are being allowed to make a phone call?
lawyers allowed access to them?
getting waterboarded or Abu-Ghraibed?
being attackd by dogs?
being photographed naked cornholing each other?
secretely expedited to the Pakistani FATAs?

All that sounds better than getting your head cut off.

[exstatic]

You obviously know nothing of military prisons. Disobeying a direct order is one of the highest crimes of military court, and depending on what that order was ("wash that floor!" compared to "Charge that hill!"....see the difference?) that moment of disobedience could cost you your freedom for life.

Military "brigs" make civilian prisons look like Disneyland (except for the MAX prisons, of course). There is no worse fate.

Getting a limb or limbs, your balls, or your head shot off in Iraq strikes me as worse. YMMV.

[NorCal510]

i dont pray but im praying for them

[RandomGuy]

You're clueless if you think the military is honestly going to be better or worse under any political party. No party today is seriously militaristic. They are going to be undermanned out there no matter what. The public will not provide what is needed to fight an insurgency, it is unrealistic and extremely expensive. Yes, we will provide B-2 bombers and $45,000 bombs, but those are all for traditional warfare.

Short of expanding special forces to the point of it replacing our infantry, we're screwed no matter what against guerilla warfare.

Fighting guerillas is more aptly done with engineers building things, and lawyers, accountants, and teachers providing legal, financial, and educational framework for economic prosperity.

If you read the counterinsurgency doctrine, it emphasizes rather strongly that to really defeat guerillas, you MUST deny them the ability to fade into the general populace. To do that, you have to turn people against the insurgency.

[RandomGuy]

You obviously know nothing of military prisons. Disobeying a direct order is one of the highest crimes of military court, and depending on what that order was ("wash that floor!" compared to "Charge that hill!"....see the difference?) that moment of disobedience could cost you your freedom for life.

Military "brigs" make civilian prisons look like Disneyland (except for the MAX prisons, of course). There is no worse fate.


There was an instance in the "invasion" of grenada in which a lieutenant ordered his squad to charge a machine gun, and they told the idiot to stuff it, and nothing really happened, except for the lieutenant being shuffled off to where he couldn't do any damage.

Another interesting bit that is a poorly kept secret:
If you go AWOL, the military will simply discharge you rather than go through the expense of a trial and imprisonment.

[RandomGuy]

I'm seriously not doubting you, but link please? I'd like to read about that.

Again, I'm not trying to be a smartass here, just curious.

I seem to remember that unit's story as well.

Danged if I can remember the name of the unit, but it was ordered to do a convoy without escort using unarmed and unarmored vehicles through a very dangerous stretch of road.

The order was obviously stupid, and probably issued in error, so they stayed put. Good for them.

US soldiers have always shown an healthy initiative that makes for a tactical advantage over a lot of enemies that they have faced historically.