Bowen's Knee to Nash Under Review?

[ChumpDumper]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a clothesline is a safe move in basketball?

Do me a favor and pull one of those in your next pickup game. Let us all know how it turns out.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

He didn't pretend he was not fouling, did he? And he didn't play dirty foot/kick defense, did he? That was more like WWW show. Raja was frustrated that Kobe swiped his famous elbows at him, and got his face, repeatedly in an attempt to clear space, without fouls being called. The refs called those in game 7. More importantly, where is an injury caused by Raja comparing to the cases caused by Bowen?
:lol So because poor little raja was frustrated, it justifies that close line?

[ChumpDumper]

More arm risking.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/chris_mannix/05/24/mailbag/t1_bell.kobe.jpg

[cly2tw]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a clothesline is a safe move in basketball?

Do me a favor and pull one of those in your next pickup game. Let us all know how it turns out.


If you have the vid, you will see Raja made it sure by holding him down to the floor to avoid any injury to Kobe. Otherwise, the punishment wouldn't be just 1 game. Hey, it's the injury cases we are talking about. In that regard, you seem to agree with me that Raja is clean, compared to Bowen's track record, right? :clap

[cly2tw]

:lol So because poor little raja was frustrated, it justifies that close line?

No. He got punished. That's why Bowen got voted for defensive player: He causes injuries and intimidates his opponents along the process without being punished, since in each single case it looks like an accident! :clap

[ChumpDumper]

The funniest thing about this business is that Raja Bell was hired specifically to be the Bruce Bowen of the Phoenix Suns, just like Greg Buckner was signed by Denver and Dallas and Sacramento got Artest. Every team wants a stopper, and any fan of a team who has players like Bruce and trying to paint Bruce as some evil character for playing the same way as their heroes is a flaming hypocrite.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Even more arm risking.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070506/capt.fb6c034f08ed48cd97dc4a4093e7ebb4.spurs_suns_b asketball_pnu120.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Clotheslines are proven to be safe and effective in basketball.

[cly2tw]

More arm risking.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/chris_mannix/05/24/mailbag/t1_bell.kobe.jpg


Did I claim Raja never fouled? :nope

And you really need to resort to forgery with your last post putting words as my quotes, don't you? :clap

[THE SIXTH MAN]

No. He got punished.
So then why are you defending it in the post that I quoted you on?

[ChumpDumper]

No, I'm just getting to the core of your argument without all the fluff in which you try to disguise it.
Clothesline good.
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[THE SIXTH MAN]

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[THE SIXTH MAN]

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[Slippy]

Bowen does the same movement a couple of plays later, only this time Nash isn't in Bowen's grill. No harm done.

It's a clear out move with the pivot foot to give your-self space.. which i always thought was legal as long as you watch the elbows. The NBA is probably taking notice because of the Sun's constant whining but no way should he be penalised for it.

[Behrooz24]

If you have the vid, you will see Raja made it sure by holding him down to the floor to avoid any injury to Kobe. Otherwise, the punishment wouldn't be just 1 game. Hey, it's the injury cases we are talking about. In that regard, you seem to agree with me that Raja is clean, compared to Bowen's track record, right? :clap

A safe clothesline? :rolleyes :lol

[UV Ray]

Hey, I'm a Laker fan and not only do we have more rings than your franchise will ever win, but we also beat this Spurs group in 3 of 5 playoff meetings.

Calling Bowen dirty is like calling Jessica Alba a hottie. It's so obvious it's not even an opinion but basically a factual statement for anyone outside of SA limits.

There's not one player in the NBA who does the foot under the jump shooter move with the leg kicking waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out in an awkward, unnatural motion besides Bowen.

It's pretty clear that Bowen's intention here is at best:

1) Make the opponent think about whether he's going to sprain his ankle and limp off the court instead of shooting his jumper.

or at worst:

2) Injure the player.

Whether it's 1 or 2 is debatable. But either way, this is not what sportsmanship or basketball is about. Ray Allen said it best when he said what Bowen is doing is not basketball. It's pure cowardice.

Anyone outside of SA can see it and quite frankly I know a good # of Spurs fans who do see it but frankly don't care about it. Their opinion is basically "I know Bowen's dirty, but he's on my team and frankly I dont give a $hit." I completely understand this line of thinking.

If you have a child who's a "problem child" you aren't going to love him any less because he makes mistakes, even if they are bad. No one is saying because you are a Sprus fan, you should hate Bowen.

But to deny he's dirty, come on! That's just laughable.


Well stated...Bowen makes Bill Laimbeer look like a Girl Scout. I don't think Bowen can help himself...it's pathological. Sad really...I thought the NBA would have moved past this kind of thuggery by now. It's no surprise that most of the comments in this forum support San Antonio Bullyball, but please don't call what Bowen is playing, basketball. If you were truly fans of the game you'd be disgusted.

[Dro210]

Well stated...Bowen makes Bill Laimbeer look like a Girl Scout. I don't think Bowen can help himself...it's pathological. Sad really...I thought the NBA would have moved past this kind of thuggery by now. It's no surprise that most of the comments in this forum support San Antonio Bullyball, but please don't call what Bowen is playing, basketball. If you were truly fans of the game you'd be disgusted.

Thugery? San Antonio Bullyball?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :downspin:

That whole paragraph/co-signing sounds like something I would say sarcastically... very, very sarcastically

[Dro210]

Twice as physical is a crazy exaggeration.

Also, the guys in question, MJ, and Pip, weren't the physical types you are thinking about. You're thinking about Derek Harper, Joe Dumars, Piston Bad Boys, Knicks of Pat Riley, etc.

Regardless, it's crazy to say Bowen has the impact as a team defender than MJ/Scottie. Those guys would impact not only the guys they were guarding but the entire opponent's offense beign so disruptive in passing lanes and shotblockers.

Look at their steal #'s compared to Bowen's. It's just night and day.

Using steals as a scale on judging how good of a defender a player is tells me all I need to know....

You don't know much about basketball

[Dro210]

So this is where suns fans come to cry. :wakeup

Indeed it is.... and too think the series isn't even close to over really...

I knew the Suns and Mavs had more in common than not being able to play defense or win the big one.... Bitch ass fans!

[powerpower]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46073/20070514/nba_investigating_bowens_game_3_knee_on_nash/

NBA Investigating Bowen's Game 3 Knee On Nash
14th May, 2007 - 6:42 am
abc13 -
The NBA has decided to look into Bruce Bowen's actions in the Spurs-Suns series.

For the first time in an increasingly contentious San Antonio Spurs -Phoenix Suns series, Bruce Bowen is officially under the league's microscope.
Bowen

An NBA spokesman confirmed Sunday night that Bowen's third-quarter knee to the groin of Suns guard Steve Nash in Saturday's Game 3 is under review for possible punishment.

Nash declined after Saturday's game and again Sunday to voice any public displeasure with Bowen's physical play. But the league decided anyway to conduct a full investigation into this incident after declining to do so when Bowen was accused of intentionally kicking Amare Stoudemire in Game 2.

Stoudemire called Bowen and Manu Ginobili "dirty" players after the Game 2 tangle, in which Bowen admitted he "did clip" Stoudemire from behind on a dunk.

If the league decides to fine or suspend Bowen, that announcement would come before Monday night's Game 4. [READ]

[WalterBenitez]

So :baby are still :cry because a playoff mode of playing :fight , I see hey aren't ready :rolleyes

[bobbyjoe]

Using steals as a scale on judging how good of a defender a player is tells me all I need to know....

You don't know much about basketball

Anyone without silver and black eyeglasses on would tell you that Jordan and Pippen were better defenders than Bruce Bowen. It's just not even close.

If you had reading comprehension skills, you'd be able to decipher that I never argued steals are the be-all, end-all for how good a defender someone is. MJ and Pip were as good on ball as Bruce but MUCH better off the ball as team defenders. The steal and block #'s bear that out as does a set of basic observational skills.

But if you argue that steals have nothing to do with how good a defender is, you just don't know what you're talking about. Steals and blocks kill offensive possesions from opponents and typically lead to easy transition offensive opportunities.

When a guy like MJ in some years has averaged over 3 steals a game, absolutely he's impacting the game more than a guy with 0.5 steals a game like Bowen. That's a 4-6 point turnaround MJ is giving you over Bowen before other facets of defense are even factored in.

Also, a guy with a great # of steals is going to have numerous more plays a game where he's deflecting passes and taking away passing lanes. Plays like this don't show up in the stat sheet but impact an offensive team in a negative way. There's a high degree of correlation between guys with big steal #'s and disruptive team defenders (see DRob, Hakeem, Gary Payton, MJ, Scottie, AK47, etc).

Bowen has always been great on the ball but you are kidding yourself if you think he's in the class of the above as a team defender. Not even freaking close.

[ponky]

I can't wait for all the Mavs losers to come on here and equate clearing space with your leg to punching a guy in the nuts.

You rang? Anyway, you're wrong about all the Mavs loser (god, you guys never learn), it's not the same because we can't really tell if Bowen meant to or not whereas Terry obviously punched Finley and deserved the suspension BUT I'm not surprised D'Antoni will use every thing he can to get an advantage over the Spurs...most coaches would, it's part of the game, just like flopping and injuries so all is fair.

[Dro210]

Anyone without silver and black eyeglasses on would tell you that Jordan and Pippen were better defenders than Bruce Bowen. It's just not even close.

If you had reading comprehension skills, you'd be able to decipher that I never argued steals are the be-all, end-all for how good a defender someone is. MJ and Pip were as good on ball as Bruce but MUCH better off the ball as team defenders. The steal and block #'s bear that out as does a set of basic observational skills.

But if you argue that steals have nothing to do with how good a defender is, you just don't know what you're talking about. Steals and blocks kill offensive possesions from opponents and typically lead to easy transition offensive opportunities.

When a guy like MJ in some years has averaged over 3 steals a game, absolutely he's impacting the game more than a guy with 0.5 steals a game like Bowen. That's a 4-6 point turnaround MJ is giving you over Bowen before other facets of defense are even factored in.

Also, a guy with a great # of steals is going to have numerous more plays a game where he's deflecting passes and taking away passing lanes. Plays like this don't show up in the stat sheet but impact an offensive team in a negative way. There's a high degree of correlation between guys with big steal #'s and disruptive team defenders (see DRob, Hakeem, Gary Payton, MJ, Scottie, AK47, etc).

Bowen has always been great on the ball but you are kidding yourself if you think he's in the class of the above as a team defender. Not even freaking close.


So by your reasoning.... a guy like, say... Allen Iverson... or Gilbert Arenas....

Those are great defenders? Because they get alot of steals? Really? You have to get steals to be a good off the ball defender? Really? You can't just deny the best player on the opposing team of the ball the whole game?

I never said Jordan and Pippen wern't great defenders...the fuck?.... All I said is using steals as a scale for judging somebody's impact at the defensive end is just stupidity. Bowen doesn't have to get a single steal all year as long as he keeps holding the Dirks and Kobe's of the league to a good 10pts below their average every night. (fuck 4-6 maybe, maybe not points)

I dare you to ask around the NBA.... Anybody (player or coach) who's not a complete crybaby (i.e. Wince Harder or Ray Allen... add Stat and D'Antoni) is gonna tell you that he's the best defender in the NBA right now, probably tell you he's the best they've ever faced, and that they have nightmares knowing they have to go up against him. Anybody.... Ask Kobe... Kobe'll tell you. He loves and hates playin Bruce.

He's not a perrinial 1st team All-NBA defender for nothing.

[word]

my favorite thing about this board is that if you cant win an argument you

a) call us crybabies

b) talk about your rings or your series lead

c) call people crybabies

Stop being a crybaby.

[Dro210]

^^Yea... Stop crying... You're just mad cause you don't have any rings :lol

[ploto]

We learned from Kobe that INTENT does not matter.

[GrandeDavid]

You boys got more foul shots than we did last night

Overall San Antonio has been whistled 65 times to Phoenix's 62. Tony has been flipped, Finley hammered, Manu blackeyed, and Bruce has had Phoenix's waterboy nearly invading the court to scream in his ear before burying an ownership three pointer.

Yet Suns fan want to bitch about a foul committed by Nash on Bowen. :shootme

[Dro210]

Overall San Antonio has been whistled 65 times to Phoenix's 62. Tony has been flipped, Finley hammered, Manu blackeyed, and Bruce has had Phoenix's waterboy nearly invading the court to scream in his ear before burying an ownership three pointer.

Yet Suns fan want to bitch about a foul committed by Nash on Bowen. :shootme


lmao :clap

[GrandeDavid]

Dro210, have you ever heard of such? By the way, you got a clip of the incident?

[picnroll]

I smell a Bennett Salvatore reffed game coming tonight.

[Dro210]

Dro210, have you ever heard of such? By the way, you got a clip of the incident?

Haha, I've seen and heard alot of rediculous things from other teams, their fans, and the media in my day, but this whole situation/series is probably taking the cake....

I don't have the clip, but I'll be on the look out for it, and when I come across it, I'll send it over to you in a PM

[GrandeDavid]

Haha, I've seen and heard alot of rediculous things from other teams, their fans, and the media in my day, but this whole situation/series is probably taking the cake....

I don't have the clip, but I'll be on the look out for it, and when I come across it, I'll send it over to you in a PM

Thanks!

[GrandeDavid]

Bowen is dirty..... I didnt even seen the play but I can bet my life that it was an intentional dirty play.... and I can also bet that when the refs called the; T, Foul, Flagrant or whatever, he prolly had that stupid look on his face after every foul he commits.

I'm sorry to hear that your life does not mean squat to you. You should seek help.

[florige]

I smell a Bennett Salvatore reffed game coming tonight.


I smell a Bowen suspension tonight just to shut up Antoni.

[BigBeezie]

If the league suspends Bowen, then it obviously wants to help PHX out. Let's just bring the smack down tonight and put PHX in a hole.

[florige]

I have a feeling that if Bowen isn't suspended tonight we are going to see a very poor officiated game favoring the Suns.

[zrinkill]

the videos are right there for you to see, we cant help it if youre too big of a dbag to look at something objectively

Those video's show nothing except athletes playing playoff basketball ..... but you are too much of a crybaby bitch to admit that.

[Borosai]

If Bowen is suspended, Suns fans will cower with fear as they see his replacement step onto the court. That's right, none other than:

James White!

[Good 'N Plenty]

I admit that to me it did look intentional. It's written on Bowen's face.

[GrandeDavid]

http://nba.aolsportsblog.com/2007/05/13/bruce-bowen-knees-steve-nash-in-the-groin/

[GrandeDavid]

Nash clearly fouled Bowen with his package. In fact, I'm upset that Nash allowed his package to make contact with another dude's knee. :p

[Dro210]

If Bowen is suspended, Suns fans will cower with fear as they see his replacement step onto the court. That's right, none other than:

James White!


The suspension would be rediculous since it was a foul on Nash to begin with....... but actually, I'd love it...... Bowen out 1 game and we still win (more reason to talk shit to Suns fans).... With Flight capping off the night by dunking over Nash while stepping on his head.... cementing his own reputation as a 'dirty' player and a legend at the sametime.

:lol :drunk :lol

[ATXSPUR]

if bowen gets suspended for this bullshit then the hatred for this series has officially gone to another level. Im getting sick of the crying and bitching by the suns. Just play the fucking game bitches!!!!!

[GrandeDavid]

Seriously, that looks like a pretty clear knee to goods. I hope there's no suspension.

[romsho]

I smell a Bennett Salvatore reffed game coming tonight.
No doubt. And/or Jack Nies.

[T Park]

The one and only Dick Bavetta more than likely will do the game tonight.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Suns need to be SUSPENDED.....





tonight!

[LilMissSPURfect]

The one and only Dick Bavetta more than likely will do the game tonight.



Isn't it already a late start? gggggooooooooodlord we'll b up to 2am :p:

[Spurminator]

This is so ridiculously weak. Steve Nash must have the longest, most sensitive testicles in the history of mankind if that contact caused him to collapse like that. I don't buy it at all. That's a flop.

[T Park]

but i thought the spurs were floppers.......

[UV Ray]

The one and only Dick Bavetta more than likely will do the game tonight.

If Dick officiates, it will be called fairly and the Spurs will lose by 10.

[LilMissSPURfect]

If Dick officiates, it will be called fairly and the Spurs will lose by 10.


are u saying its only FAIR officiating when SPURS lose ?

[florige]

Isn't it already a late start? gggggooooooooodlord we'll b up to 2am :p:


I can deal with the 9:30 start time verses 10:30. This one should be over around 11;30, 12 at the latest.

[UV Ray]

are u saying its only FAIR officiating when SPURS lose ?

No, but Dick usually calls a fair game, and that favors the non-cheating team.

[florige]

are u saying its only FAIR officiating when SPURS lose ?



He probably is right. They will probably call everything under the sun against us tonight and will end up losing due to all this complaining and stuff.

[MoSpur]

It looked intentional to me. That was a dirty play in my opinion and as a Spurs fan I am a little ashamed because of it. I know the Suns are crying and the coach sounds like a wuss, but that was uncalled for.

[ATXSPUR]

If Dick officiates, it will be called fairly and the Spurs will lose by 10.

I cant wait til the trolls are gone. Come on Spurs!!! Put your foot on their throat tonight!! Send them back to phoenix broken!

[florige]

No, but Dick usually calls a fair game, and that favors the non-cheating team.


Aw man give me a f;ing break dude. Non-cheating. I'm starting to wish they would suspend Bowen so when you guys lose tonight we can see what your complaints will be tommorow. "Oh me oh my the camera spends too much time on Eva" That is clearly not fair. Gimme a break!

[Dro210]

Even if it was intentional... that's a legal play, and actually a foul on Nash... so I can't call it dirty either way. Just smart, veteran basketball

[florige]

It looked intentional to me. That was a dirty play in my opinion and as a Spurs fan I am a little ashamed because of it. I know the Suns are crying and the coach sounds like a wuss, but that was uncalled for.


You got a link or something?

[ATXSPUR]

Aw man give me a f;ing break dude. Non-cheating. I'm starting to wish they would suspend Bowen so when you guys lose tonight we can see what your complaints will be tommorow. "Oh me oh my the camera spends too much time on Eva" That is clearly not fair. Gimme a break!

Tell me about it....WAAAH WAAAH! Why are you playing like its not the regular season san antonio!!!! You're supposed to give us space to run n gun!!! You're CHEATING!!

[Hoy]

I would fine Bowen $5, 000.
He would be watched closely. Even benefit of doubt on players he is playing against.
That was a stupid foul because witch hunt is getting larger and more vociferous.

[Obstructed_View]

Not a chance that he gets suspended. I have yet to hear a single NBA analyst say that it was a dirty play. After the Amare thing there's no way Bowen does that on purpose. Besides, for all the talk of Bowen being such a nagging defender, Nash was the defender and initiated the contact by getting in Bowen's space. The officials still rewarded Nash by calling the offensive foul on Bowen. That should really be the end of it. if they suspend Bowen then they need to go back and retroactively suspend Manu and Nash for making contact in that area. Suspending players for infractions not in the rulebook sets a very dangerous precedent and will get the conspiracy nuts going strong.

Bowen didn't get suspended for kicking Ray Allen, which is the most overtly intentional thing I've ever seen him do.

Unless they determine that Nash's shoulders begin at his knees, the best they can do is upgrade it to a flagrant and fine him.

[FromWayDowntown]

At this point, a suspension would be remarkably unfair to the Spurs. If they were going to suspend Bruce, the league should have at least given 24 hours notice of that punishment. I can't remember a situation in a playoff setting where a suspension was announced on the day of a game. It's not as if this situation was unknown to the league on Saturday night. It's not as if the league didn't work at all yesterday -- or couldn't have worked. Suspending a guy for a playoff game less than 12 hours before tip off would be, I suspect, unprecedented.

[Obstructed_View]

At this point, a suspension would be remarkably unfair to the Spurs. If they were going to suspend Bruce, the league should have at least given 24 hours notice of that punishment. I can't remember a situation in a playoff setting where a suspension was announced on the day of a game. It's not as if this situation was unknown to the league on Saturday night. It's not as if the league didn't work at all yesterday -- or couldn't have worked. Suspending a guy for a playoff game less than 12 hours before tip off would be, I suspect, unprecedented.
David Stern has handed down suspensions over the weekend for precisely that reason in the past. Was it the Stackhouse flagrant on Shaq?

[FromWayDowntown]

I have to say that the thing that is most discouraging about the entire situation to me is that it says to teams: the more you complain, the more we'll listen. Phoenix is bent because they haven't been able to impose their style of play on the Spurs. I don't think that has anything at all to do with officiating. It has everything to do with the Spurs being adept at taking away the Suns' ability to get out in the open court, to get wide-open looks at 3, and to break down defenses in the half-court with Nash's penetration. Since Phoenix can't impose its style, the Suns' nearly-unanimous retort is to complain about the physicality of a series in which there really hasn't been that much physical play and hint that officials are screwing them over.

That the league is willing to listen to this nonsense is troubling. Play better.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Still a fine is saying bruce is guilty of something ....dang it..he's playing basketball and if he is fined for that then so be it ! And if they hand down fines to bruce then they should chalk up marion, amare and nash to that list for hurting manu,fin , and parker!!! They cannot single out bruce...!!!

[UV Ray]

Aw man give me a f;ing break dude. Non-cheating. I'm starting to wish they would suspend Bowen so when you guys lose tonight we can see what your complaints will be tommorow. "Oh me oh my the camera spends too much time on Eva" That is clearly not fair. Gimme a break!

The sooner you admit that Bowen cheats, the sooner you'll be back on the road to good karma. Otherwise I expect some serious Dirkage and another HUGE Texas playoff choke. Of course nothing will ever surpass the greatest (and I must add most well deserved) playoff series loss in World History.

[jmard5]

If Dick officiates, it will be called fairly and the Spurs will lose by 10.


No, but Dick usually calls a fair game, and that favors the non-cheating team.

If called fairly? Then Kurt Thomas and Raja Bell will foul out in 6 minutes! :lol Just shut up, ok?

[FromWayDowntown]

I love Suns' fan intimation that the only way the Spurs can beat their team is with bad or corrupt officiating.

Heaven forbid that anyone ever give the Spurs credit for actually being a great basketball team, capable on their merits of beating any team in this league.

It must really suck to think that the only way your team loses is because of some vast conspiracy against it.

If you want to win, play better.

1.

[Obstructed_View]

Nobody in this series has been fouled more times with fewer whistles than Tim Duncan.

Tim Duncan is historically a huge whiner.

Tim Duncan has, for the most part, shut his mouth and played ball.

Tim Duncan's team is winning the series.

Maybe there's a lesson to be learned here by Phoenix and their fans.

[FromWayDowntown]

Nobody in this series has been fouled more times with fewer whistles than Tim Duncan.

Tim Duncan is historically a huge whiner.

Tim Duncan has, for the most part, shut his mouth and played ball.

Tim Duncan's team is winning the series.

Maybe there's a lesson to be learned here by Phoenix and their fans.

If you put it that way, the lesson would seem to be that whining tends to pay off. Particularly when one whines on the floor AND in the media.

[florige]

I have to say that the thing that is most discouraging about the entire situation to me is that it says to teams: the more you complain, the more we'll listen. Phoenix is bent because they haven't been able to impose their style of play on the Spurs. I don't think that has anything at all to do with officiating. It has everything to do with the Spurs being adept at taking away the Suns' ability to get out in the open court, to get wide-open looks at 3, and to break down defenses in the half-court with Nash's penetration. Since Phoenix can't impose its style, the Suns' nearly-unanimous retort is to complain about the physicality of a series in which there really hasn't been that much physical play and hint that officials are screwing them over.

That the league is willing to listen to this nonsense is troubling. Play better.




Exactly. Now they are frustrated and upset and want to start point fingers at anyone they can trying to get any kind of advantage they can.

[UV Ray]

If you put it that way, the lesson would seem to be that whining tends to pay off. Particularly when one whines on the floor AND in the media.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[LEONARD]

Dirty...

[FromWayDowntown]

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Maybe Duncan should resume his whining thing -- at least he'd get the FTA he's been deserving since 4/15.

Remarkable to me, still, that the Spurs, with a great inside presence and several guys who attack the rim frequently, are still dead last in the playoffs in FTA/gm.

[Obstructed_View]

If you put it that way, the lesson would seem to be that whining tends to pay off. Particularly when one whines on the floor AND in the media.
The lesson is shut up and play. Nobody has more reason to bitch than Duncan, but he's concentrating on the things over which he actually has control and is dominating. Granted, the Suns, to a man, are are probably aware that they have no chance of winning a fair contest, and have to find a way to weight it in their favor. Again, if the NBA capitulates to that pressure, expect it to become a tactic by teams going forward.

[Obstructed_View]

Dirty...
Yeah, Bowen should have pushed him away with his closed hand instead.

[MadDog73]

I have to say that the thing that is most discouraging about the entire situation to me is that it says to teams: the more you complain, the more we'll listen.

That the league is willing to listen to this nonsense is troubling. Play better.

I think the exact opposite is true. For once, a player who complained publically about foul calls (Amare), was the one who was watched an assessed quick fouls.

The lesson: Don't bitch about calls unless you want them to be called on yourself.


Notice how Nash is not complaining about Bowen's knee?

Nash is smarter than Amare.

[spurastic]

In game four, I expect that the refs will blow the whistle on every possible foul on both ends just to be safe from criticism/crying which will be about every one second of play. Then everyone will complain about how it interrupted the flow of the game.

I think there sure was a lot of flop via Nash. But only Bowen and Nash know for sure.

[Dro210]

Maybe Duncan should resume his whining thing -- at least he'd get the FTA he's been deserving since 4/15.

Remarkable to me, still, that the Spurs, with a great inside presence and several guys who attack the rim frequently, are still dead last in the playoffs in FTA/gm.


But are still probably gonna win the title...

Will the NBA ever learn? Unless Shaq in his prime and Kobe are on the same team again w/ Fisher and Horry hitting clutch shots.... You can continue to throw 12 guys and a 3 man officiating crew at us every game.... but you still can't beat us...

Don't you just love it Stern?

[cornbread]

The sooner you admit that Bowen cheats, the sooner you'll be back on the road to good karma. Otherwise I expect some serious Dirkage and another HUGE Texas playoff choke. Of course nothing will ever surpass the greatest (and I must add most well deserved) playoff series loss in World History.
Your boy Thomas cheats on every defensive position and still can't even put a dent in Duncan's numbers. You have your own karma to worry about.

[UV Ray]

The lesson is shut up and play. Nobody has more reason to bitch than Duncan, but he's concentrating on the things over which he actually has control and is dominating. Granted, the Suns, to a man, are are probably aware that they have no chance of winning a fair contest, and have to find a way to weight it in their favor. Again, if the NBA capitulates to that pressure, expect it to become a tactic by teams going forward.

You're blind. It is the exact opposite, the Suns have no chance to lose in a fair game. Lets play a game of golf where I get to knee you in the nuts before every shot and see who wins. Fanaticism does not allow for objectivity.

[Obstructed_View]

You're blind. It is the exact opposite, the Suns have no chance to lose in a fair game. Lets play a game of golf where I get to knee you in the nuts before every shot and see who wins. Fanaticism does not allow for objectivity.
You might think about the last sentence of your post, as I am not the fanatic in this discussion. An important point you seem to be neglecting: Nash drew the call. How is that unfair? And are you implying that the Spurs' complete domination of the Suns over that last dozen games is somehow due to something other than that they are a better team?

The Spurs lost game 2 because nobody showed up and they got beat, not because the officiating was finally fair. Give your team a little bit of credit. It's really pathetic that you have so little belief in your team's ability and fortitude that you are hoping for breaks and suspensions in order to have a chance to advance. Are you rooting for someone on the Spurs to get hurt, too?

I hope you don't have kids; you'd be a lot of fun at a little league game.

[Obstructed_View]

In game four, I expect that the refs will blow the whistle on every possible foul on both ends just to be safe from criticism/crying which will be about every one second of play. Then everyone will complain about how it interrupted the flow of the game.

I think there sure was a lot of flop via Nash. But only Bowen and Nash know for sure.
If that happens, expect the Suns fans to have a collective conniption fit after Duncan gets 30 trips to the line.

[ponky]

If that happens, expect the Suns fans to have a collective conniption fit after Duncan gets 30 trips to the line.


no offense at all but you don't want duncan at the line for 30 trips, particularly in san antonio where the crowd is quiet and concentrating on him when he takes thow free throws

[Methodmusicman]

Review this -- player X boxes out -- leaps in the air -- snags a board in heavy traffic and comes down amidst multiple opposing players. Upon getting firm footing, immediately player X grips the ball with both hands and locks his elbows into position -- gnashing them in a way that clears people away without question, without controversy. Nobody is around him. Nobody is hurt. Nobody even questions this rebound or the manner by which it was secured. This has been done/taught/learned/displayed/used and every other action verb from every real player from JUNIOR HIGH to the pro levels and is standard practice in rebounding. If you don't give the person with the ball space, prepare to receive something -- a foul,elbow, knee whatever -- you gotta respect the player with the ball -- he has the RIGHT!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You're blind. It is the exact opposite, the Suns have no chance to lose in a fair game. Lets play a game of golf where I get to knee you in the nuts before every shot and see who wins. Fanaticism does not allow for objectivity.

Do you really think there's a conspiracy by the league to take care of a team with no above the rim type players, playing in a small market, with the supposed most boring superstar in the league, over a team like the Suns?

:lol mouse, is that you trolling again?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dirty...

Signed, fan of team with Jason Terry on it.

Did you catch Barkley? He said in the playoffs when guys get as close as Nash get, they get elbowed in the face on that play. Nash should feel fortunate, if Bowen had led with the 'bow he would have busted Nash's nose wide open again.

[nkdlunch]

You're blind. It is the exact opposite, the Suns have no chance to lose in a fair game. Lets play a game of golf where I get to knee you in the nuts before every shot and see who wins. Fanaticism does not allow for objectivity.

:lmao at suns fan comparing basketball to golf :lol

[UV Ray]

You might think about the last sentence of your post, as I am not the fanatic in this discussion. An important point you seem to be neglecting: Nash drew the call. How is that unfair? And are you implying that the Spurs' complete domination of the Suns over that last dozen games is somehow due to something other than that they are a better team?

The Spurs lost game 2 because nobody showed up and they got beat, not because the officiating was finally fair. Give your team a little bit of credit. It's really pathetic that you have so little belief in your team's ability and fortitude that you are hoping for breaks and suspensions in order to have a chance to advance. Are you rooting for someone on the Spurs to get hurt, too?

I hope you don't have kids; you'd be a lot of fun at a little league game.

Common sense suggests that flying kicks to the face and nuts are cause for concern. Common decency would suggest review. You have neither.

[cly2tw]

Nash clearly fouled Bowen with his package. In fact, I'm upset that Nash allowed his package to make contact with another dude's knee. :p


Hahaha. I guess Nash had such a crush on Bowen, he got intrusive with Bowen's space and Bowen said when you ask for it I will please you. Hahahah. :ihit :hungry:

[Obstructed_View]

Common sense suggests that flying kicks to the face and nuts are cause for concern. Common decency would suggest review. You have neither.
Um, flying kicks to the face are punished with flagrant foul calls. How many have there been in this series, again? Oh, you are just so desperate for a win you want your team to benefit from calls against OTHER teams in OTHER years? If kicks to the nuts are cause for concern, where's your post about Nash doing it to Kobe just one round ago? Bowen got called for an offensive foul. What happened to Nash?

You are an idiot and a blind homer hypocrite. You wouldn't know physical basketball if it fucking teabagged you.

[DarrinS]

Common sense suggests that flying kicks to the face and nuts are cause for concern. Common decency would suggest review. You have neither.


Where are these flying kicks you speak of? I think you're getting carried away. Maybe you need to replace your tampon.

[UV Ray]

:lmao at suns fan comparing basketball to golf :lol


Or better yet I tee your left nut up on a long par 5.

[agjm]

Poooorrrr suns fan. Ray Allen b***ched about Bowen in the 2005 playoffs and asked refs to watch him closely. You know how that turned out? With Allen called for just as many fouls as Bowen.

You know who won it all that year? Cmon... I bet you can guess!!!

[Obstructed_View]

Or better yet I tee your left nut up on a long par 5.
:lmao at Suns fan CONTINUING to use threatening golf analogies. Are we starting to understand why he doesn't understand contact in basketball? :lmao

[Dro210]

:lmao at Suns fan CONTINUING to use threatening golf analogies. Are we starting to understand why he doesn't understand contact in basketball? :lmao


lol.... I hear they've got some nice courses out there

[UV Ray]

:lmao at Suns fan CONTINUING to use threatening golf analogies. Are we starting to understand why he doesn't understand contact in basketball? :lmao

Dumb ass, the reference is that Bowen isn't playing basketball either. I'll just kick you in the nuts, we don't have to play anything. BTW get a vasectomy before you destroy what's left of the gene pool.

Suns in Six! Oh Yeah!

[Obstructed_View]

Dumb ass, the reference is that Bowen isn't playing basketball either. I'll just kick you in the nuts, we don't have to play anything. BTW get a vasectomy before you destroy what's left of the gene pool.

Suns in Six! Oh Yeah!
What's with your testicle fixation, princess? Nash got the foul. Funny that the Suns fans cry for fouls and then cry for suspensions when they get the fouls. What's next? I really never thought you guys were capable of being stupider than the Nuggets and Sonics fans. The Mavericks fans actually look knowledgable and unbiased compared to you. Congratulations, Cartman. :lmao

[Soul_Patch]

<<INSERT CRAZY FLYING NINJA BRUCE BOWEN HERE>>


Damn bruce has some hops.


So bruce plays physical, some times rough defense. Get over it. It obviously works, he is in your heads, he is in your players heads. Bruce Bowen, owns your team and its fans. Kinda sad, instead of adapting to it, your team, coach and fans choose to whine and complain.


Suns need to come out physical (lol i know) and take it right back to the spurs. It'd be pretty funny, and id expect a 120 to 75 blow out by SA, but, hey at least you tried right?

[Gros Membres!]

I don't like Bruce Bowen for a lot of reasons, but comon this is bullshit. The suns are really grabbing at straws.
That's how I see it and I, for one, think Bruce can do some questionable shit but so does everyone. I'd say on average I see probably a dozen little elbows thrown by each team boxing out.

As Kenny Smith said last night in Jazz-Warriors post-game it is an "unwritten rule" that players don't close out a shooter if you can't block the shot and, furthermore, get your feet under the shooter's elevated legs. It's unwritten rules that destroy the game, imho. You have to understand how the game functions and letting people trade baskets, not closing out shooters, and not playing an offensive player with anything less that blanketing defense would be an insult to the Spurs philosophy.

I will say it again, it just seems like the NBA wants to see this series last as longas possible and the Suns need all the help they can get at this point on San Antonio's home court. I find it astonishing that Stoudemire's comments did not receive any sort of reprimand from the league (since when is accusing another team of questionable behavior better than publicly criticizing refs???) and that his comments have resulted even in the possibility of a Bowen suspension.

At this point, I hope Bowen does get suspended just so the Spurs can go up 3-1 tonight.

[Obstructed_View]

Soul Patch, if that's not Youtube you need to delete it.

[Soul_Patch]

i simply copy and pasted the link from another post in this same thread.

[Obstructed_View]

Okay. I guess one of the mods will have to take care of it.

[Soul_Patch]

ill remove mine. the original is in post 100 on this thread :spin

[hater]

I truly beleive D'whinetoni personally called the league office to complain about this play. and nash might not have said anything publicly, but I am sure he is happy d'antoni did. Nash would be one happy mofo if Bowen is suspended, since Bruce is owning his ass.

[MadDog73]

I truly beleive D'whinetoni personally called the league office to complain about this play. and nash might not have said anything publicly, but I am sure he is happy d'antoni did. Nash would be one happy mofo if Bowen is suspended, since Bruce is owning his ass.

What? No, Nash had an off-night. Bowen doesn't "own" Nash, anymore than Amare "owns" Duncan.

[Gros Membres!]

Common sense suggests that flying kicks to the face and nuts are cause for concern. Common decency would suggest review. You have neither.
I would say not at all. If, and this is adhering to the Suns definition os basketball, it is actually a sport in which people run up and 1) try to score as many baskets as humanly possible while 2) people try as hard as humanly possible to defend the other said humans from scoring then collisions and scrapes are bound to occur.

Case in point, Parker did not purposefully headbutt Nash. Marion did not purposefully swipe high (nowhere near the ball) to scratch Manu's eye.

The reason I like Bowen and have always appreciated his defensive presence is he does not have much to offer except his hustle and desire to focus on his defensive game just as Nash focuses on the offensive side of the game. I do agree with Sir Charles in saying a foul was called and that justice was served on the court. To suspend Bowen after all of this talk in order to give the Suns clear paths to the basket would laughable and I hope the Suns and their fans know it (deep down, I'm sure).

[Sec24Row7]

It is now less than 9.5 hours to gametime... if a SUSPENSION happens now, reguardless of the unfairness of it to Bowen, it would unjustly punish the team with a lack of preparation time...

[FromWayDowntown]

It is now less than 9.5 hours to gametime... if a SUSPENSION happens now, reguardless of the unfairness of it to Bowen, it would unjustly punish the team with a lack of preparation time...

At this point, it might be that the league is trying to decide whether any action is necessary and, if so, the extent of a fine and perhaps whether the foul should be upgraded to a flagrant, which could have some longer-term consequences.

I think a suspension at this point would be horrendously unfair to the Spurs.

[MadDog73]

Someone remind me:

When they suspended Duncan from that regular season game (after the collsion with the ref?), did they annouce if before hand?

The way I remember, Tim was planning on playing that night, and ended up watching the game from the hotel...

[FromWayDowntown]

Someone remind me:

When they suspended Duncan from that regular season game (after the collsion with the ref?), did they annouce if before hand?

The way I remember, Tim was planning on playing that night, and ended up watching the game from the hotel...

That's true. I just double-checked. The game in which Tim pushed Nies was 11/29/03 at Golden State. The game for which Tim was suspended was 12/1/03 at the Clippers. Tim's suspension wasn't announced until 12/1/03.

[SRJ]

Common sense suggests that flying kicks to the face and nuts are cause for concern.

Bowen pivoted, you jackass.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The thing is though, you know the media has been waiting for the 'league takes retribution against Spurs for the Joey Crawford incident' story to break. They just need to fill in the details.

If the league gips the Spurs 8 hours before tip, you will see that story in every single paper in the country tomorrow - 'league gets back at Spurs, suspends Bowen for pivotal game 4.'

It's so incidental as well, and you've already got a quote from Nash out in the papers saying he didn't think it was intentional. The league would be called out for this, at this point in the game.

I think assessing a flagrant 'II' will happen, if anything, but any kind of suspension or fine will just encourage what the league has tried to crack down on - whining.

[mardigan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yggh9efD-M
F the Suns whiney asses

[Martin R]

I think we should be able to see the AGE of every poster at a glance. It seems to me that there are many people who are not thinking logically maybe because they are 9 years old.
I don't want to spend my time teaching lessons to people of that age. Parents should take care of that.

M

by the way, Martin, 34.

My take :
Spurs are 2-1. Suns can quit or fight. It's upto them.

[LavaLamp]

Seriously, that looks like a pretty clear knee to goods. I hope there's no suspension.


There's really no need to make a fuss. Just like in life, what goes around comes around. This is true for playoff basketball as well. Every player on that court has an innate sense of what is right and what is wrong (regardless of what is allowed by the refs or not). There will be balance in the end. One should not think one can keep doing something under-handed (if it is true that it is under-handed) for advantage and expect their own players to be immune. Things always go back in balance.

[zrinkill]

Things always go back in balance.

Thats right ..... it makes up for all the crap other teams do against TD,TP,and Ginobli .......

[Obstructed_View]

Bowen pivoted, you jackass.
No, it was a flying kick, just like the Cobra Kai leg sweep on Amare.

[UV Ray]

...Things always go back in balance.

You mean like OJ , Robert Blake, etc..

[ChumpDumper]

You mean like OJ , Robert Blake, etc..Yes, children's games are exactly like murder.

[UV Ray]

No, it was a flying kick, just like the Cobra Kai leg sweep on Amare.
Yeah.. and if you turn the volume way up...you can here him scream something in Japanese.

[bruce_blowin]

http://www.topfive.com/nomercy.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

You don't need to post this picture in every thread.

[bruce_blowin]

You don't need to poist this picture in every thread.

You're evidently not reading every thread.

[UV Ray]

It seems to me that there are many people who is not thinking logically maybe because it is 9 years old.

M

by the way, Martin, 34.

My take :
Spurs are 2-1. Suns can quit or fight. It's upto them.

Huh?

[Obstructed_View]

You posted the same picture twice in two threads in the same forum a couple of minutes apart with your first two posts. Seems like a logical suggestion.

[Obstructed_View]

Huh?
Translation: You shouldn't be playing hooky to post on the Interweb.

[UV Ray]

Yes, children's games are exactly like murder.
Hey Junior, buy a dictionary. Analogy: Similarity of a thing in SOME respects that are OTHERWISE DISSIMILAR with a comparison based on such similarity.

[MadDog73]

Hey Junior, buy a dictionary. Analogy: Similarity of a thing in SOME respects that are OTHERWISE DISSIMILAR with a comparison based on such similarity.

So, Spurs are to OJ, as Suns are to Nicole?

Thats.... a disturbing analogy, no matter how you define it. :wtf

[mardigan]

Hey Junior, buy a dictionary. Analogy: Similarity of a thing in SOME respects that are OTHERWISE DISSIMILAR with a comparison based on such similarity.
Or he could just google it like you did :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Like Suns fans are pussies, except there are no dissimilarities.

[atxrocker]

bruce bowen is a dirty player. this doesn't strike me as anything new. he should have been kicked out of the league a long time ago.

[UV Ray]

Or he could just google it like you did :lol
Sorry I bought mine. Microsoft Bookshelf 2000.

[UV Ray]

So, Spurs are to OJ, as Suns are to Nicole?

Thats.... a disturbing analogy, no matter how you define it. :wtf

Haha, That's funny, but that's not the analogy.

[MadDog73]

Haha, That's funny, but that's not the analogy.


Correct me where I'm wrong, but you basically are comparing OJ Simpson to the SA Spurs; ie, you are saying the Spurs get away with "murder."

If I'm wrong, please clarify your "analogy."

(And if you find that analogy "funny", you're sicker than I thought).

[UV Ray]

Like Suns fans are pussies, except there are no dissimilarities.
That's not funny, but you will make a fine 6th grader.

[UV Ray]

Correct me where I'm wrong, but you basically are comparing OJ Simpson to the SA Spurs; ie, you are saying the Spurs get away with "murder."

If I'm wrong, please clarify your "analogy."

I've seen some of your posts. You're not that stupid. There's still hope.

[MadDog73]

I've seen some of your posts. You're not that stupid. There's still hope.


Apparently I am. Or you are.

Here's the sequence of events, please tell me where I am wrong:

LavaLamp says (basically) fouls even out in a series. "Things always go back in balance."

You respond: "Like OJ, Robert Blake..."

ChumpDumper calls you out: "because Children's games are just like murder..."

You put up a definiton of "analogy", basically saying the Spurs (or basketball in general?) and OJ are "Similar ... in SOME respects that are OTHERWISE DISSIMILAR."


I'm still trying to figure out in what ways OJ and the Spurs are similar....

Or how OJ and basketball are even similar...

[UV Ray]

Correct me where I'm wrong, but you basically are comparing OJ Simpson to the SA Spurs; ie, you are saying the Spurs get away with "murder."

If I'm wrong, please clarify your "analogy."

(And if you find that analogy "funny", you're sicker than I thought).

The discussion was about things balancing out, like karma. Things don't always balance out. That is superstition. For example evolution gave you a large ego and a small brain and I received a large ego and a large brain.

[MadDog73]

The discussion was about things balancing out, like karma. Things don't always balance out. That is superstition. For example evolution gave you a large ego and a small brain and I received a large ego and a large brain.

But fouls in basketball games do have a tendency to "balance out."

It has to do with human mistakes, the different situations, different refs, etc. Yes, ideally, all basketball games would be called the same.

But they aren't. I believe, (and it would be interesting to see an actual factual study on this), that calls tend to balance out over the course of a seven-game series.

In any case, you could have just said, "I don't agree that foul calls balance out" instead of bringing up the bullshit OJ argument.

Because, you now are basically arguing that the Spurs are "getting away with it" like OJ. And that's going to be a... controversial subject on a Spurs forum.


(besides, the penalties for OJs actions may be awaiting in "another life." If you believe in karma and such things.... but that's a whole other can of worms.)

[UV Ray]

But fouls in basketball games do have a tendency to "balance out."

It has to do with human mistakes, the different situations, different refs, etc. Yes, ideally, all basketball games would be called the same.

But they aren't. I believe, (and it would be interesting to see an actual factual study on this), that calls tend to balance out over the course of a seven-game series.

In any case, you could have just said, "I don't agree that foul calls balance out" instead of bringing up the bullshit OJ argument.

Because, you now are basically arguing that the Spurs are "getting away with it" like OJ. And that's going to be a... controversial subject on a Spurs forum.

Bullshit?1!?!? OJ got away with it. Robert Blake got away with it. The Spurs have been getting away with it and will continue to get away with it. Where's the controversy? Oh... maybe you're one of those who thinks OJ was innocent. Flat Earther type personality. Art Bell listener? Maybe you're one of those unfortunates who think that Fox news is fair and balanced.

[Kori Ellis]

Bullshit?1!?!? OJ got away with it. Robert Blake got away with it. The Spurs have been getting away with it and will continue to get away with it. Where's the controversy? Oh... maybe you're one of those who thinks OJ was innocent. Flat Earther type personality. Art Bell listener? Maybe you're one of those unfortunates who think that Fox news is fair and balanced.

The Spurs aren't murdering their wives/ex-wives ... but they are killing their bitches.

So I get the analogy. :smokin

[mardigan]

Bullshit?1!?!? OJ got away with it. Robert Blake got away with it. The Spurs have been getting away with it and will continue to get away with it. Where's the controversy? Oh... maybe you're one of those who thinks OJ was innocent. Flat Earther type personality. Art Bell listener? Maybe you're one of those unfortunates who think that Fox news is fair and balanced.
Get away with what? They have 3 more fouls in the series than the Suns do, so what exactly are they getting away with? And way to steer your argument away from the fact that MadDog made you look like another dumbass Sun fan

[MadDog73]

Bullshit?1!?!? OJ got away with it. Robert Blake got away with it. The Spurs have been getting away with it and will continue to get away with it. Where's the controversy? Oh... maybe you're one of those who thinks OJ was innocent. Flat Earther type personality. Art Bell listener? Maybe you're one of those unfortunates who think that Fox news is fair and balanced.

Ahh, you show your true colors. Another NBA conspiracy theorist, who believes that David Stern feels a Spurs / Piston Final would somehow be better for ratings than Suns / Cavs.

Or, maybe you feel Peter Holt has paid off the officials. Or, it goes deeper than that, and Popovich is using government connections to fix games: It goes all the way to the Top! Bush is a Spurs Fan! (hmmm, he is from Texas... but then, why did the Mavericks get eliminated in the first round? Must have been a red herring).


No, I don't watch Fox news. Funny for you to mention Art Bell... I thought the black helicopters were circling your house! I'm afraid I don't believe half of what I watch on TV. I take everything with a mountain of salt, and try to stay objective about the world at large. I certainly don't believe the Spurs (or any other NBA team) is "favored" to win by external forces.

The only thing I concede is the Spurs are better at playing in the Playoffs, because they have more experience. If anything, that should give you hope, cause trust me, I was where you are now and few years ago crying "Conspiracy!" about the Lakers.

And then I realized I was full of shit, and just looking for excuses of why "my" team lost.

[UV Ray]

Get away with what? They have 3 more fouls in the series than the Suns do, so what exactly are they getting away with? And way to steer your argument away from the fact that MadDog made you look like another dumbass Sun fan
With Bowen I think we are talking about the quality of the foul, not the quantity. If he seriously injures someone or possibly destroys someones career because of his out of control playing style, all the fouls in the world will not make up for it. He's a fricking menace. BTW "dumb ass" is spelled with two words. Not a good word to misspell in that context.

[mardigan]

With Bowen I think we are talking about the quality of the foul, not the quantity. If he seriously injures someone or possibly destroys someones career because of his out of control playing style, all the fouls in the world will not make up for it. He's a fricking menace. BTW "dumb ass" is spelled with two words. Not a good word to misspell in that context.
:lol Weak

[MadDog73]

With Bowen I think we are talking about the quality of the foul, not the quantity. If he seriously injures someone or possibly destroys someones career because of his out of control playing style, all the fouls in the world will not make up for it. He's a fricking menace. BTW "dumb ass" is spelled with two words. Not a good word to misspell in that context.


If Bowen was such a threat, don't you think he would be suspended by now?

He's not a "superstar" in the NBA's eyes, yet he's guarding people who make the NBA lots of money. If the NBA saw him as a serious "menace" he would be banned. Period.

But he's not. So, if the NBA doesn't seem him as a threat (which has a lot more riding on the success of its stars than anyone else), why should I?

[UV Ray]

Ahh, you show your true colors. Another NBA conspiracy theorist, who believes that David Stern feels a Spurs / Piston Final would somehow be better for ratings than Suns / Cavs.

Or, maybe you feel Peter Holt has paid off the officials. Or, it goes deeper than that, and Popovich is using government connections to fix games: It goes all the way to the Top! Bush is a Spurs Fan! (hmmm, he is from Texas... but then, why did the Mavericks get eliminated in the first round? Must have been a red herring).


No, I don't watch Fox news. Funny for you to mention Art Bell... I thought the black helicopters were circling your house! I'm afraid I don't believe half of what I watch on TV. I take everything with a mountain of salt, and try to stay objective about the world at large. I certainly don't believe the Spurs (or any other NBA team) is "favored" to win by external forces.

The only thing I concede is the Spurs are better at playing in the Playoffs, because they have more experience. If anything, that should give you hope, cause trust me, I was where you are now and few years ago crying "Conspiracy!" about the Lakers.

And then I realized I was full of shit, and just looking for excuses of why "my" team lost.

I said they would continue to get away with it. I didn't say they would win. No conspiracy theory here, although the officiating sometimes resembles the WWF.

As for Bush, well I'm ashamed to say I voted for him...first moron I ever voted for,... no...,Bush couldn't be behind it.

[Obstructed_View]

BTW "dumb ass" is spelled with two words. Not a good word to misspell in that context.

dumb-ass /ˈdʌmˌæs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[duhm-as] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Slang: Vulgar. a thoroughly stupid person; blockhead.

Also, dumbass.

He corrected someone's spelling without checking it first. He's a dumbass.

[mardigan]

dumb-ass /ˈdʌmˌæs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[duhm-as] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Slang: Vulgar. a thoroughly stupid person; blockhead.

Also, dumbass.

He corrected someone's spelling without checking it first. He's a dumbass.
:lol Ouch, and from the guy telling people to use a dictionary

[UV Ray]

:lol Weak

Well at least you didn't spell it w-e-e-k. ...So you've got that going for you.

[UV Ray]

:lol Ouch, and from the guy telling people to use a dictionary

Nobody's perfect, dumbass.

[mardigan]

Nobody's perfect, dumbass.
No problem joto.

[UV Ray]

No problem joto.

Okay, dick smoker.

[UV Ray]

dumb-ass /ˈdʌmˌæs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[duhm-as] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Slang: Vulgar. a thoroughly stupid person; blockhead.

Also, dumbass.

He corrected someone's spelling without checking it first. He's a dumbass.

I admit your response is hilarious. LOL

[bruce_blowin]

Okay, dick smoker.

Actually, that should be hyphenated: dick-smoker.

Clever retort, too!

[UV Ray]

Actually, that should be hyphenated: dick-smoker.

Clever retort, too!

The spell check on answer.com doesn't catch every little thing. It underlines in red suspect spellings and it isn't always correct. Shows dumbass as incorrect. It does not pick up hyphenation. At least I made the effort. That being said, it was a hilarious mistake on my part and a hilarious response.

For being called a joto, I believe my response was appropriate.

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For being called a tojo, I believe my response was appropriate.


A tojo? :lmao :lmao