Capitalism or Communism

[NorCal510]

So I have a debate in history and my teacher assigned me Capitalism. I have to defend it and say why it's better than communism. Quite frankly, I don't know much about either except that capitalism is what we live in (levels of society). Can you political heads help me out?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Communism is far superior if it weren't for the fact that it's human nature to be selfish, crave material excess, and feel 'better' than your neighbor.

[NorCal510]

i dont get it


???

[Cant_Be_Faded]

capitalism thrives on the ubiquitous greedy powerhungry aspect of human nature

[NorCal510]

k?

how about nbadan or some of those smart guys.

[sabar]

Meh, why should we do your homework for you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Marxism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Also, no sane person would ask a bunch of biased left and right wingers which is better. Go read. But there is a reason why the world is predominately capitalistic and why even communist societies (i.e. China) have been embracing free market ideals.

[Nbadan]

Meh, why should we do your homework for you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Marxism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Also, no sane person would ask a bunch of biased left and right wingers which is better. Go read. But there is a reason why the world is predominately capitalistic and why even communist societies (i.e. China) have been embracing free market ideals.

Capitalism is better as a market system because it utilizes the laws of supply and demand. For Instance, the price of gas is $3.00 because both demand and supply have reached a threshold price where suppliers are willing to supply and demanders are willing to buy. Communism doesn't have those control mechanisms. Supply and demand are determined by some ruling entity, so there is subsequently much more waste, many more shortages, and the products are far inferior in quality to those found in capatilistic nations.

[Nbadan]

That being said, the market nations that are really triving today that are not based solely on oil, China, Korea, Indonesia, are those that implement capitalistic market practices but keep socialistic control over their societies. Ironically enough, you would think that capitalism would equal greater freedoms for workers and more rights, but some of these former communist countries have found a way to adapt capitalism but keep socialistic practices, control of the media, dictating passive behavior, both political and behavioral, alive and well, and it seems that instead of pushing these countries toward greater freedom and liberty like capitalism is supposed to do, the U.S. is moving toward the behavior being utilized by these countries instead.

[Phil Hellmuth]

communism/socialism requires advanced technology and rich in natural resources, money, and etc.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Read adam smith

[Extra Stout]

So I have a debate in history and my teacher assigned me Capitalism. I have to defend it and say why it's better than communism. Quite frankly, I don't know much about either except that capitalism is what we live in (levels of society). Can you political heads help me out?
You live in the People's Republic of the Bay Area, which is communist.

[FromWayDowntown]

Why is anyone doing NorCal's Most Wanted's homework for him? It's shameful that in his rise to back-up JV kicker, NorCal still doesn't understand the fundamental differences between capitalism and communism. Levels of society? Is that really the heart of a society built on capitalist ideas?

Let the lad do his own work. It's the only way he'll learn.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I prefer fuedalism

[101A]

Self-Interest (selfishness), is the single greatest motivator for productivity in any living being, including Human ones. Capitalism is the economic system that best exploits this tendency. The more someone can benefit THEMSELVES from their own actions, fortunes and ideas, the more that person will produce - bettering him/herself - and ideally ALL of society benefits in some way from that increased production (a high tide raises all ships).

Communism, with it ideal of "from each according to ability, to each according to need", fails to reward the individual for his/her own specific work and ideas - it relies on the person to have an "enlightened self-interest" - that whatever they do for the whole, ultimately benefits EVERYONE. It is a beautiful, idealistic concept which is fundamentally flawed, people ARE selfish and cannot see beyond there own interests.

[Duff McCartney]

Anyone that tells you capitalism is the best is dead wrong. It is good...but the fact of the matter remains is that without a government controlling corporations, capitalism doesn't work...as evidence by the major antitrust violations of many companies in the turn of the 20th century.

[101A]

... capitalism doesn't work...

Depends on what your definition of the word "work" is, doesn't it?

I haven't seen anybody calling for unbridled capitalism here.

[boutons_]

"unbridled capitalism here"

The Repugs have done a wonderful job of killing OSHA, anti-trust, environmental regulations, while fucking up govt so that it can't protect consumer and the environment from predatory businesses. unbridled capitalism is PRECISELY the overrding objective of the Repugs, enrichment and protection of the top 2% and the corps, gaming the system so the the rich and the corps amass more wealth.

[NorCal510]

what language are you guys speaking in?

[Purple & Gold]

They both have their pros and cons a combination of them is the best.

[NorCal510]

chumpdumper, any words of wisdom?

[Extra Stout]

Capitalism works when the state acts as impartial referee to protect competition.

[PixelPusher]

I prefer fuedalism
Silly serf, Roman patriarchy kicks feudalism's ass every day of the week!

[PixelPusher]

Capitalism works when the state acts as impartial referee to protect competition.

[xrayzebra]

too bad the politicians and businessmen are one and the same, or at the very least, bedfellows..or at the very very least, white and rich

Want to tell that to The Oprah, who has good white folks
working for HER. That is her line, not mine.

[velik_m]

Want to tell that to The Oprah, who has good white folks
working for HER. That is her line, not mine.

That bitch!

[Extra Stout]

Capitalism doesn't work very well when the state rigs the market to benefit lobbyists and campaign contributors.

[101A]

ES doing some good drive by damage in this thread...

[whottt]

Capitalism - economic system in which everyone wants to live...including communists.
Communism - polticial/economic system in which no one wants to live...including communists.

Capitalism - people dying to get in.
Communism - people dying to get out.

Capitalism - they build walls to keep out.
Communism - they build wals to keep in.

Communism - prison
Capitalism - not

Communism - for people who want to be drafted into military service and conquer other countries and enforce opression upon their own citizens...like the lefties on this board.


The one thing you need to know is that the modern progenitor of communism never lived under it...in fact, he lived in he most capitalistic country he could find.

Just like it is now.



Capitalism - an economic system for greedy people
Communism - a political economic system for the greedy, controlling and envious people.


Capitalism - Golden State winning the title
Communism - the other 29 teams taking the trophy and splitting it 30 ways.

Idealized communism - you willingly giving the trophy up after going to the trouble of winning it...

Realized communism - you selfish pig for wanting to mystifyingly keep the trophy you just earned. If only people didn't want to keep what they earned communism could work. :rolleyes


Communism - has yet to be implemented according to Marx's true ideology(because the stupid capitalists keep exposing what a shitty system it is).

The ideal is aboloshing class separation, opression, and discrimination

The reality has been the most extreme class separation, opression and discrimination yet devised by man.

Capitalism - implemented many times to much greater degrees of success than any communist state.


Communism - EVERYONE MUST BE ALIKE
Capitalism - Who gives a shit, I want a nice car.











Communism - belief system for people too stupid, naive and lazy to be religious fanatics



Capitalism - I want to be taller...I'll make some shoes to make me taller, and sell them to other people so I can make money and by stuff I want with it.


Communism - I want to be taller...so I'm going to cut off the legs of everyone taller than me, and throw that evil greedy shoe selling pig in prison...and I'll take those evil decadent shoes for myself...err...the state.


Capitalism - economic system invented by an honest jew.
Communism - political economic system invented by a dishonest jew.


Capitalist - Greedy person that realizes and admits he's greedy...
Communist - Greedy person that doesn't...or if he does, feels guilty and ashamed of it.



Communist - people that read Marx
Capitalist - people that understand Marx(that one is copyright RR)

[Nbadan]

Communism - for people who want to be drafted into military service and conquer other countries and enforce opression upon their own citizens...like the lefties on this board.


The one thing you need to know is that the modern progenitor of communism never lived under it...in fact, he lived in he most capitalistic country he could find.

Just like it is now.

:rolleyes

Cause Britian and Israel are Communist countries. Moron.

[johnsmith]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUu-8nbd58


Hooray communism

[Nbadan]

Eventually all economic systems collapse, most capatilistic system collapse under the load of their own debt, which seems to be the case which will happen to us when the majority of baby-boomers retire in the next 2-3 decades and the S.S.system collapses.

[PixelPusher]

Communism - for people who want to be drafted into military service and conquer other countries and enforce opression upon their own citizens...like the lefties on this board.
Apparently, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were communists regimes in whottt's world.




Capitalism - economic system invented by an honest jew.
Communism - political economic system invented by a dishonest jew.

Nobody "invented" capitalism, it's a pre-existing effect of human behavior.

[velik_m]

I would go with Whottt's material. Oversimplifications work best in debates.

[NorCal510]

i like whotts explanation but its too late i had my debate today and i probably got an A on it just being the boss I am

[smeagol]

Capitalism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communism

There you go, boy, run with it.

[whottt]

Eventually all economic systems collapse, most capatilistic system collapse under the load of their own debt, which seems to be the case which will happen to us when the majority of baby-boomers retire in the next 2-3 decades and the S.S.system collapses.


Proof?

The only ones I see collapsing are the communist countries...

[whottt]

Apparently, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were communists regimes in whottt's world.

Well Nazi does stand for National Socialist Party...and Hitler, like Marx, was a self hating jew who had absolutely no problem with idea of using force to seize power. I'd say the Japanese were a lot more like Islamic Fundamentalists than Commies though...till they got nuked into the 20th century...






Nobody "invented" capitalism, it's a pre-existing effect of human behavior.


Well so was communism douche...a primitive form. And actually it still is...there's nothing progrssive or advanced about it.



The biggest problem with communism is it looks at the world from merely a survival POV...that will never be enough, and only a fool thinks otherwise...

[whottt]

I would go with Whottt's material. Oversimplifications work best in debates.


Communism is an oversimplification...and an insanely unrealistic one at that.

[smeagol]

Communism = Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che Guevara, Trotsky, Pol Pot, Montoneros, Tupamaros, Sendero Luminoso, Red Brigades, Ceaucescu and fucking Hugo Chavez.

'nuff said.

[Rasholooms]

how about instead of arguing on what system the government should enforce we decide for ourselves? oh wait, that's why capitalism is prevailing all over the world...

communism is unnatural and has to be forced on the population... its a system made for a familiy unit or a tribe, not for a nation people cant be expected to live that way. what is the incentive for a doctor to do better if he gets paid the same? why would a auto company make a safer car if they all get paid the same? the answer: human compassion. but if that existed, there wouldnt be war or this discussion in th first place.

communism is left to those without free will, like hive minds of ants and bees.

[whottt]

finanicial socialism and social conservatism=china.(and they are making a killing about now)


you could call it. socialized capitalism.


or as the pope puts it. restrained capitalism.


It's called state capitalism...and it still sucks compared to Democracy...and Capitalism.

[DarkReign]

finanicial socialism and social conservatism=china.(and they are making a killing about now)

you could call it. socialized capitalism.

or as the pope puts it. restrained capitalism.

China will have its own problems very very shortly. Theyre riding high as it is, but inevitably, the labor force will unionize.

Their currency will be properly valued. Their trade deficit will become larger and larger. etc, etc...

Restrained Capitalism, I actually like the term. Doesnt change the fact that it wont last forever. By forever, I mean in the next 20 years.

[fyatuk]

So I have a debate in history and my teacher assigned me Capitalism. I have to defend it and say why it's better than communism. Quite frankly, I don't know much about either except that capitalism is what we live in (levels of society). Can you political heads help me out?

One, we don't live in a true capitalist society. The US is a form of capitalism, but it's not a real one.

The general idea behind capitalism is that people should be allowed to do what they want to survive. It revolves around competition leading to development and everyone being able to find a niche on their own. It's main bonus is that it allows for a much higher standard of living and much higher growth potential, but it also allows for insane levels of poverty and grand collapses of economy.

Communism is extremely controlled. The central idea is that the government should provide everyone with what they need. This would theoretically remove theft (the idea being theft is jealousy based, so if everyone had all they needed, no theft), etc. It's main benefit is the supposed prevention of poverty, but it does not leave much room for growth. It also puts the well being and standard of living of everybody at the hands of the few people in charge.

That's very basic. There's a lot of information about things out there. It's usually a good idea to check wikipedia (just don't use it as a source).

[smeagol]

Communism is anti-Christian . . . that's why boutons likes it

[boutons_]

"why boutons likes it"

link?

go fuck a straw man, smegma breath.

[CavsSuperFan]

Capitalism... (http://www.enjoyfrance.com/images/stories/world/entertainment/sandra-bullock.jpg)
Communism... (http://www.neighborhoodaccess.org/2006/07/Russian_woman_finishes_reading.png)
Capitalism... (http://images.worldofstock.com/slides/PRE3219.jpg)
Communism... (http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/images/woman_beach.jpg)

[CavsSuperFan]

I hope that helps...

[RobinsontoDuncan]

hmmmm.... i could go for hours on this kid, this debate has been raging since 1848

[T-Pain]

dude go read

[PixelPusher]

Well Nazi does stand for National Socialist Party...and Hitler, like Marx, was a self hating jew who had absolutely no problem with idea of using force to seize power.
Well, DPRK does stand for Democratic People's Republic of Korea, so North Korea is a republican democracy, right?

duh...

The biggest problem with communism is it looks at the world from merely a survival POV...that will never be enough, and only a fool thinks otherwise...
True, and the same applies to unregulated capitalism...only fools (a.k.a Ayn Rand worshipping Libertarians) would think self interest is the only think that motivates human behavior.

[smeagol]

"why boutons likes it"

link?

go fuck a straw man, smegma breath.
Your sense of humor is undoubtedly lacking

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Capitalism works when the state acts as impartial referee to protect competition.

Yes and no. I would have said "Capitalism works when the state acts as impartial referee to regulate markets", which involves more than just protecting competition - it also means protecting consumers, employees, the environment; anyone without power in the market system who can thus be exploited.

Capitalism is great, but there's also a little thing called "market failure" which leads to short-term profit at the expense of longer term goals like social and environmental concern.

Capitalism with strong regulation is the ideal IMHO, however the political system is co-opted by money from industry lobbies and short-term electoral cycles, so what we get is unbridled capitalism, which is leading to social problems, economic inequity and a collapsing environment... still a better result than Communism, but a long way from perfect.