Pictures of Amare leaving the bench

[lefty]

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[Obstructed_View]

I hate that rule.

[Trainwreck2100]

its obvious he saw the stoppage of play and went to check himself in

:rolleyes

[JMarkJohns]

Bye, bye...

[ploto]

Still in the VICINITY of the bench.

[ponky]

that's a weird looking dude right behind ivaroni (sp?) on the right

[UV Ray]

I hate that rule.

You notice his head is turned toward the scorer table to check-in.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I hate that rule.

I like it. It keeps brawls from occuring, and states the punishment if they do. If you make it arbitrary to situation and make the rule muddy, it makes it ineffective. Players know the rule, only the dumbest break it in the playoffs. If you're that dumb, you deserve to sit.

[mVp]

smells like suspension

[sabar]

Hopefully there's a picture of Beno and Vaughn getting up and we can force pop to trim the rotations.

[dbreiden83080]

Still in the VICINITY of the bench.

On the floor and you are GONE i keep saying this people need to start listening look at Knicks/Heat 97 Ewing and others barely on the court and they were gone.

[Xylus]

If Stoudemire got suspended for this, the league would ruin a brilliant series.

There should be no suspensions for either team over this. This is the fucking playoffs, exceptions to rules should be made in this scenario. Stoudemire didn't cause any problems, Diaw didn't cause any problems, Horry and Bell didn't really fight, they just got physical.

All players involved should be on the court in Game 5.

[Kori Ellis]

Still in the VICINITY of the bench.

Depends how you define vicinity. He's on the court and he ventures away from being in front of the bench.

[Trainwreck2100]

You notice his head is turned toward the scorer table to check-in.


Yeah cause he always has that what the fuck look when he checks himself in

[Kevin Blackistone]

Still in the VICINITY of the bench.

You see that white line that was crossed? That's the coaches box - the limits of the vicinity of the bench. Besides, the NBA precedents have already made it where one step gets a suspension. Vicinity no longer matters since the precedent has been upheld several times in the past.

[TampaDude]

Still in the VICINITY of the bench.

Yeahk, him and 18,000 other people... :lol

[mexispur]

if he was on his way to check in then why are the suns coaching staff trying to restrain him hahahaha bunch of fuckin morons

[Obstructed_View]

I like it. It keeps brawls from occuring, and states the punishment if they do. If you make it arbitrary to situation and make the rule muddy, it makes it ineffective. Players know the rule, only the dumbest break it in the playoffs. If you're that dumb, you deserve to sit.
Yeah, I know it's designed to stop fights, and I understand that it's a zero tolerance rule. I want him in the building.

[Kobulingam]

Hopefully there's a picture of Beno and Vaughn getting up and we can force pop to trim the rotations.

And maybe Elson too. We don't need him at all with Diaw, Amare gone.

[lefty]

If Stoudemire got suspended for this, the league would ruin a brilliant series.

There should be no suspensions for either team over this. This is the fucking playoffs, exceptions to rules should be made in this scenario. Stoudemire didn't cause any problems, Diaw didn't cause any problems, Horry and Bell didn't really fight, they just got physical.

All players involved should be on the court in Game 5.

I agree ; the Knicks-Heat series (1997) were ruined because of similar incidents (and same rules)

[Kori Ellis]

You see that white line that was crossed? That's the coaches box - the limits of the vicinity of the bench. Besides, the NBA precedents have already made it where one step gets a suspension. Vicinity no longer matters since the precedent has been upheld several times in the past.

You are right. Once you get past that coaches' box line - that's usually what would be consider "not in the vicinity" any longer.

[lefty]

Hopefully there's a picture of Beno and Vaughn getting up and we can force pop to trim the rotations.
:lol :lol :lol

[ponky]

I like it. It keeps brawls from occuring, and states the punishment if they do. If you make it arbitrary to situation and make the rule muddy, it makes it ineffective. Players know the rule, only the dumbest break it in the playoffs. If you're that dumb, you deserve to sit.


booo, i had to pay $54 for the mayweather/de la hoya fight...this would've been free!....anyway, i wouldn't give up anything to not have that barkley/shaq throwdown or to laugh at jeff van gundy sweeping the floor with his suit during the heat/knicks brawl, those were funny as hell

[Kobulingam]

If Stoudemire got suspended for this, the league would ruin a brilliant series.

There should be no suspensions for either team over this. This is the fucking playoffs, exceptions to rules should be made in this scenario. Stoudemire didn't cause any problems, Diaw didn't cause any problems, Horry and Bell didn't really fight, they just got physical.

All players involved should be on the court in Game 5.

Refs ruined this series already.

[Kevin Blackistone]

If Stoudemire got suspended for this, the league would ruin a brilliant series.

There should be no suspensions for either team over this. This is the fucking playoffs, exceptions to rules should be made in this scenario. Stoudemire didn't cause any problems, Diaw didn't cause any problems, Horry and Bell didn't really fight, they just got physical.

All players involved should be on the court in Game 5.

I could go for that, but it could set precedents that would make the league more violent. Fuck it, they're getting millions of dollars

[TampaDude]

If Stoudemire got suspended for this, the league would ruin a brilliant series.

There should be no suspensions for either team over this. This is the fucking playoffs, exceptions to rules should be made in this scenario. Stoudemire didn't cause any problems, Diaw didn't cause any problems, Horry and Bell didn't really fight, they just got physical.

All players involved should be on the court in Game 5.

I would tend to agree with you, but if the NBA doesn't suspend them, future violators of that rule will be able to point to that as a way out of being punished. The rules are the rules. NO EXCEPTIONS.

[monosylab1k]

definitely breaks the letter of the law there.

in the last pic, it almost looks like the assistant is trying to push Amare over by the scorer's table in order to say "see! we were just checking him in!"

[Obstructed_View]

Actually the rule has been amended from the Ewing suspension. There's wiggle room for the league. I say don't suspend anybody, even Horry, and let 'em play.

[Kevin Blackistone]

booo, i had to pay $54 for the mayweather/de la hoya fight...this would've been free!....anyway, i wouldn't give up anything to not have that barkley/shaq throwdown or to laugh at jeff van gundy sweeping the floor with his suit during the heat/knicks brawl, those were funny as hell

Hey, if we want to watch this like the WWE - I'm all for it. Let's turn this into a combo of boxing and Roman Gladiators - see who's really the toughest and the most skilled. :lol

[sabar]

I'd definately say that once you're out of the coaches box it's really hard to argue you're still in the vicinity.

[Spurs rock]

I hate to say this but...Amare should NOT get suspended. The Suns shouldn't suffer for Horry's stupidity.

[Xylus]

I could go for that, but it could set precedents that would make the league more violent. Fuck it, they're getting millions of dollars
I don't think Stoudemire's actions could be seen as potentially violent. It didn't look like Stoudemire intended to enter the fight. In one of those pictures, it looks like he realizes, "Oh shit, this is against the rules," steps off the court and heads back to the bench. He didn't have a level head because a brawl broke out on the court, and because he's not the smartest guy in the world, but he might have just wanted to separate the players involved.

[ponky]

Hey, if we want to watch this like the WWE - I'm all for it. Let's turn this into a combo of boxing and Roman Gladiators - see who's really the toughest and the most skilled. :lol

:lol

oh well, enough talk for me, we'll see how it all pans out, should be interesting

[Kori Ellis]

I hate to say this but...Amare should NOT get suspended. The Suns shouldn't suffer for Horry's stupidity.

I agree. But it depends on how hard the league wants to be about this kind of thing. If they get suspended, I'm sure they'll look at tape of the Spurs bench to see if anyone came on the court too.

[Trainwreck2100]

Plus who steps onto the court to check in,

[Obstructed_View]

I hate to say this but...Amare should NOT get suspended. The Suns shouldn't suffer for Horry's stupidity.
Just to play devil's advocate, every player in the NBA knows the rules. Amare's developed this persecution complex about how unfair he and his teammates have been treated. He made the decision to get up and go.

[Purple & Gold]

Blame Nash's flopping for these suspensions if they go down.

[Trainwreck2100]

I don't think Stoudemire's actions could be seen as potentially violent. It didn't look like Stoudemire intended to enter the fight. In one of those pictures, it looks like he realizes, "Oh shit, this is against the rules," steps off the court and heads back to the bench. He didn't have a level head because a brawl broke out on the court, and because he's not the smartest guy in the world, but he might have just wanted to separate the players involved.


If you watch it again, which its already on youtub, the assistant forces him to the sidelines.

[Kobulingam]

I agree. But it depends on how hard the league wants to be about this kind of thing. If they get suspended, I'm sure they'll look at tape of the Spurs bench to see if anyone came on the court too.

Good because it has to be one of our dumbfucks. Elson fits that description and we don't need him against the pathetic Suns lineup for Game 5.

[bobbyjoe]

To all those who think Amare is "dumb" he did a great job of selling his BS in the interview about why he left the bench. I mean it was obviously a lie but he held up well and sold it.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't think Stoudemire's actions could be seen as potentially violent. It didn't look like Stoudemire intended to enter the fight. In one of those pictures, it looks like he realizes, "Oh shit, this is against the rules," steps off the court and heads back to the bench. He didn't have a level head because a brawl broke out on the court, and because he's not the smartest guy in the world, but he might have just wanted to separate the players involved.
Unfortunately, peacemakers get suspended too. That's why they came up with the rule.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I don't think Stoudemire's actions could be seen as potentially violent. It didn't look like Stoudemire intended to enter the fight. In one of those pictures, it looks like he realizes, "Oh shit, this is against the rules," steps off the court and heads back to the bench. He didn't have a level head because a brawl broke out on the court, and because he's not the smartest guy in the world, but he might have just wanted to separate the players involved.

Stoudemire's actions aren't violent, but throwing out the rules and just saying "play on" in this case makes it very difficult for the league to justify a suspension or punishment if anyone else gets into the cheap shotting contests in the future.

[UV Ray]

I could go for that, but it could set precedents that would make the league more violent. Fuck it, they're getting millions of dollars

Dude, you are such a weasel. Grow a spine. Your posts consistently take opposite positions. Your posts are a complete waste of time.

[Trainwreck2100]

To all those who think Amare is "dumb" he did a great job of selling his BS in the interview about why he left the bench. I mean it was obviously a lie but he held up well and sold it.


Yeah, cept nobody steps onto the court to check in, cause that tends to lead to technicals.

[ponky]

Unfortunately, peacemakers get suspended too. That's why they came up with the rule.

Yup, didn't Najera get suspended even though he was already on the court but was obviously trying to break up the fight?

[Kevin Blackistone]

I hate to say this but...Amare should NOT get suspended. The Suns shouldn't suffer for Horry's stupidity.

They won't suffer for Horry's stupidity, they'll suffer for Amare, Diaw, and Bell's stupidity. Nobody forced them into their actions, they did it to themselves.

[kps0001]

It certainly isn't an automatic suspension. There is some gray area.



Our rule regarding an automatic suspension for players leaving the bench was not intended to apply in a highly unusual situation like this one, where an altercation occurs in an access tunnel or hallway,'' NBA vice president Stu Jackson said. "In this circumstance, our judgment was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.''

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2002/1028/1452258.html

[Obstructed_View]

Blame Nash's flopping for these suspensions if they go down.
That's part of it, but the officials have been letting minor contact go when teams are trying to intentionally foul. It sets the stage for exactly what we saw. Nash is in playoff mode and is reflexively going to sell the contact. If they'd just called Manu for the first one (I don't think he completely whiffed on him) the whole situation could have been prevented.

[monosylab1k]

To all those who think Amare is "dumb" he did a great job of selling his BS in the interview about why he left the bench. I mean it was obviously a lie but he held up well and sold it.

I'm sure his coaches told him his story many times, reviewed it with flash cards, and made him copy his statements 100 times in a manilla notepad with a #2 pencil before releasing him to the media.

[lefty]

It certainly isn't an automatic suspension. There is some gray area.



http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2002/1028/1452258.html

Yes, but it was just a preseason game

The 1997 Heat-Knicks series prove otherwise

[Trainwreck2100]

it didn't occur in a tunnel or hallway, it was on the court. Which is where the wiggle room is gone.

[JMarkJohns]

Actually the rule has been amended from the Ewing suspension. There's wiggle room for the league. I say don't suspend anybody, even Horry, and let 'em play.

Horry, at least, should get one game for his forearm to Bell's head.

Still, I'll take no suspensions. It'll be the best business and basketball decision and no team would fault them for doing it.

[sabar]

This wasn't an unusual situation, it was a generic flagrant foul and everyone-goes-to-the-altercation.

[kps0001]

obviously this was not in a hallway or tunnel but it was an unusual situation where the league will determine the appropriate solution.

I think Big Shot Rob is gone and Suns are at full strength.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Dude, you are such a weasel. Grow a spine. Your posts consistently take opposite positions. Your posts are a complete waste of time.

What opposite positions? I've said that rules are rules, and you have to uphold them if you want any kind of order. Therefore, many suspensions are warranted because of NBA rules.

Or, I said they could just let things go from now on and not suspend anyone. Not Horry, not Amare, and not the next person that checks someone into the table or elbows someone in the nose.

Learn to read ass. I've had one position the entire time.

oh, I forgot... go fuck yourself.

[UV Ray]

It certainly isn't an automatic suspension. There is some gray area.



http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2002/1028/1452258.html

Excellent post. Thanks.

[sabar]

Oh yeah, I'm also getting sick of refs not calling obvious intentional fouls. The players in the playoffs have been going for small stuff like slaps and the refs don't call it, so they have to step up to holds and pushes to get them to whistle it.

[Obstructed_View]

Yup, didn't Najera get suspended even though he was already on the court but was obviously trying to break up the fight?
Yeah, but they changed the rules to "bench area" after the Patrick Ewing suspension. There's an outside chance Amare walks on this. I'm sure the league was unhappy with Amare about the escalation of the tension in the series by his comments. We'll see if the league takes that into account. If the series is as violent and contentious as he claimed, one might think he'd be mindful of his reactions to situations.

[kps0001]

it didn't occur in a tunnel or hallway, it was on the court. Which is where the wiggle room is gone.


Basically the rule isn't just black n white. The league will look at the entire situation. Nothing is gonna happen to Amare or Boris.

[milkyway21]

CBS Sportsline reports:

Game 5 is Wednesday night in Phoenix and it's possible there could be suspensions from the league for players leaving the bench after Horry fouled Nash.

[Kori Ellis]

What opposite positions? I've said that rules are rules, and you have to uphold them if you want any kind of order. Therefore, many suspensions are warranted because of NBA rules.

Or, I said they could just let things go from now on and not suspend anyone. Not Horry, not Amare, and not the next person that checks someone into the table or elbows someone in the nose.

Learn to read ass. I've had one position the entire time.

oh, I forgot... go fuck yourself.

I guess the point is rules and rules, but they are up to interpretation. The league will figure out two things 1) If they believe Amare was on his way to check-in 2) If they don't believe that, if they consider him "in the vicinity" of the bench.

It's not a hard fast automatic thing that he'll get suspended just because he stepped on the court.

[kps0001]

CBS Sportsline reports:

Game 5 is Wednesday night in Phoenix and it's possible there could be suspensions from the league for players leaving the bench after Horry fouled Nash.

lol thanks Captain Obvious.

[JMarkJohns]

Plus who steps onto the court to check in,

It certainly appears that if he was "checking in" his typical sideline path was taken up with coaches and other players. His only real course for such an act was on the court.

Again, I'm not buying the whole "checking in" alibi. I think it may have occured, but also think Amare may have used it as liberty to see what was what.

[lefty]

CBS Sportsline reports:

Game 5 is Wednesday night in Phoenix and it's possible there could be suspensions from the league for players leaving the bench after Horry fouled Nash.

Thank you CBS :lol :lol :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

obviously this was not in a hallway or tunnel but it was an unusual situation where the league will determine the appropriate solution.

I think Big Shot Rob is gone and Suns are at full strength.


Diaw's gone cause he wasnt checking in, who knows whether stern/jackson will buy the checking in argument, cause that was his only defense

[RonMexico]

Stern can always change the rules in the off-season - I'd say he starts right now...

(please....)

[Obstructed_View]

Horry, at least, should get one game for his forearm to Bell's head.

Still, I'll take no suspensions. It'll be the best business and basketball decision and no team would fault them for doing it.
I agree that the closest thing to a slam dunk suspension in my opinion is the Horry contact with Bell, but since Bell was rushing at him, one could make a case that he was just defending himself. Horry is five inches or so taller than Bell and there were a lot of people's hands in there. I don't particularly give a shit if they suspend Horry, I just thought it might be cool if they just kind of gave everyone a do over so we could all enjoy the rest of the series.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Horry, at least, should get one game for his forearm to Bell's head.

Still, I'll take no suspensions. It'll be the best business and basketball decision and no team would fault them for doing it.

They all broke rules that warrant a one game suspension. Either suspend all of the violators or suspend no one. Anything else destroys all credibility and turns the NBA into a fixed league with an agenda against certain teams.

If they choose to not suspend anyone, they better not start suspending people later who cheap shot opponents. If they do, it will take away all credibilty because it means they broke their own rules for this one instance, and this one instance alone.

[kps0001]

I guess the point is rules and rules, but they are up to interpretation. The league will figure out two things 1) If they believe Amare was on his way to check-in 2) If they don't believe that, if they consider him "in the vicinity" of the bench.

It's not a hard fast automatic thing that he'll get suspended just because he stepped on the court.

why would he get suspended just because he stepped on the court? Isn't that rule intended for fights? If you step on the court during a fight. Was that a fight? Guys step on the court constantly during the game. All this speculating and we all know the rules are pretty much up to the interpretation of the league and the situation at hand.

[Purple & Gold]

That's part of it, but the officials have been letting minor contact go when teams are trying to intentionally foul. It sets the stage for exactly what we saw. Nash is in playoff mode and is reflexively going to sell the contact. If they'd just called Manu for the first one (I don't think he completely whiffed on him) the whole situation could have been prevented.
That's the problem. It's that selling a foul is now a reflex. If refs continue to buy it then players will continue to flop. It wasn't needed in this instance and will probably end up killing the Suns. If Nash would have took the foul without trying to sell it, they still would have won and all of this would have been avoided. He just chose a bad time to sell the flagrant.

[UV Ray]

What opposite positions? I've said that rules are rules, and you have to uphold them if you want any kind of order. Therefore, many suspensions are warranted because of NBA rules.

Or, I said they could just let things go from now on and not suspend anyone. Not Horry, not Amare, and not the next person that checks someone into the table or elbows someone in the nose.

Learn to read ass. I've had one position the entire time.

oh, I forgot... go fuck yourself.
:sleep

[RonMexico]

No doubt that Horry has to be gone... but for how long? Does he get the Raja clothesline 1-gamer? Despite what Blackistone says, I think we might see Bell's tech rescinded because Horry led with the elbow to the neck and Raja hadn't thrown anything yet.

[Kori Ellis]

why would he get suspended just because he stepped on the court? Isn't that rule intended for fights? If you step on the court during a fight. Was that a fight? Guys step on the court constantly during the game. All this speculating and we all know the rules are pretty much up to the interpretation of the league and the situation at hand.

The rule says during an "altercation" I believe.

And yes, this would be considered an altercation.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0514/nba_g_playofffight_412.jpg

So it's just a matter of them interpreting "vicinity" in regards to Amare.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I guess the point is rules and rules, but they are up to interpretation. The league will figure out two things 1) If they believe Amare was on his way to check-in 2) If they don't believe that, if they consider him "in the vicinity" of the bench.

It's not a hard fast automatic thing that he'll get suspended just because he stepped on the court.

Amare got up, walked past the coaches box limit and onto the court, and attempted to get in the altercation. He was then held back by coaches. If that's not breaking the rule, then I don't know what is.

I will say this - I already question the NBA's integrity, and if they break their own rules just for the Suns I will never watch another NBA game again. I cannot watch a sporting event that's supposed to be on a fair playing field being fixed by the league officials just because they feel like it.

[RonMexico]

That's the problem. It's that selling a foul is now a reflex. If refs continue to buy it then players will continue to flop. It wasn't needed in this instance and will probably end up killing the Suns. If Nash would have took the foul without trying to sell it, they still would have won and all of this would have been avoided. He just chose a bad time to sell the flagrant.

Wow - you've become immune to flopping and must think it occurs on every play. I don't think Nash was "selling the flagrant." I've been hit by guys 6 inches and 80 pounds bigger than me and I didn't have to "sell anything" when I got lifted off my feet and slid 15 feet across the hardwood on a foul before.

[Dave McNulla]

I guess the point is rules and rules, but they are up to interpretation. The league will figure out two things 1) If they believe Amare was on his way to check-in 2) If they don't believe that, if they consider him "in the vicinity" of the bench.

It's not a hard fast automatic thing that he'll get suspended just because he stepped on the court.i think the only way the front office doesn't suspend him is if 1) they ignore the urgent manner in which amare was going to check in during a dead ball/free throw situation, and 2) they ignore the precedence they've already set for vicinity.

it's possible they do it just for equity and fairness, but they'd still be cheating everybody and every team that had to suffer under the rule in the past.

[UV Ray]

That's the problem. If Nash would have took the foul without trying to sell it, they still would have won and all of this would have been avoided. He just chose a bad time to sell the flagrant.

I agree, but don't you think the League understands that and takes it into consideration.

[kps0001]

The rule says during an "altercation" I believe.

And yes, this would be considered an altercation.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0514/nba_g_playofffight_412.jpg


Gotcha. I didn't know the exact wording of the rules but I remember hearing 'altercation'. Thanks

[kps0001]

A quick question here....Where are the pics of the Spurs bench?

[Trainwreck2100]

The rule says during an "altercation" I believe.

And yes, this would be considered an altercation.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0514/nba_g_playofffight_412.jpg

So it's just a matter of them interpreting "vicinity" in regards to Amare.


Looks to me like Nash is getting raped

[Spurs rock]

I agree. But it depends on how hard the league wants to be about this kind of thing. If they get suspended, I'm sure they'll look at tape of the Spurs bench to see if anyone came on the court too.

Yeah it depends, but I just can't see them suspending anybody for coming on to the court for a big game. I think they'll just hand out fines. Horry is prolly gone for game 5 though.

[Kori Ellis]

A quick question here....Where are the pics of the Spurs bench?

I'm sure the league has them or will have them. There's cameras from most every angle.

[kps0001]

Looks to me like Nash is getting raped


Its been a common theme throughout the series why would you expect something different now. :p:

[kps0001]

I'm sure the league has them or will have them. There's cameras from most every angle.

I saw a few quick shots but that was it. It didn't look like anything happened over there but I am still curious as I am sure alot are.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Yeah it depends, but I just can't see them suspending anybody for coming on to the court for a big game. I think they'll just hand out fines. Horry is prolly gone for game 5 though.

So the fact that it's a playoff game means that they should get special treatment where others before them were punished with suspensions for far less? Sure.

[Kori Ellis]

c. During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of one game and fined up to $50,000.
The suspensions will commence prior to the start of their next game.

So for Amare, it's just going to come down to how they rule on "immediate vicinity".

Amare didn't help his case when he bold faced lied in the postgame interview. :lol He shouldn't have said he was already off the bench and trying to check in when it happened.

[Obstructed_View]

Wow - you've become immune to flopping and must think it occurs on every play. I don't think Nash was "selling the flagrant." I've been hit by guys 6 inches and 80 pounds bigger than me and I didn't have to "sell anything" when I got lifted off my feet and slid 15 feet across the hardwood on a foul before.
Actually, Nash was selling the flagrant. It looked like he had just been murdered. Horry, like you said, is already much bigger. You can't tell me Nash didn't know the contact was coming.

[Trainwreck2100]

I saw a few quick shots but that was it. It didn't look like anything happened over there but I am still curious as I am sure alot are.


doesn't really matter, all our important players were on the floor.

[Kevin Blackistone]

i think the only way the front office doesn't suspend him is if 1) they ignore the urgent manner in which amare was going to check in during a dead ball/free throw situation, and 2) they ignore the precedence they've already set for vicinity.

it's possible they do it just for equity and fairness, but they'd still be cheating everybody and every team that had to suffer under the rule in the past.

Exactly. That's my whole point here.

[Trainwreck2100]

So for Amare, it's just going to come down to how they rule on "immediate vicinity".

Amare didn't help his case when he bold faced lied in the postgame interview. :lol He shouldn't have said he was already off the bench and trying to check in when it happened.


yeah, that was pretty bad

[Obstructed_View]

So the fact that it's a playoff game means that they should get special treatment where others before them were punished with suspensions for far less? Sure.
That's going to be a big consideration. As much as we, for selfish reasons, would love to see no suspensions, the league can't very well sell that to the rest of the league and retain credibility.

[UV Ray]

Looks to me like Nash is getting raped
It also looks like Finley is trying to get a little Steve Javie action.

[miss paxton]

So for Amare, it's just going to come down to how they rule on "immediate vicinity".

Amare didn't help his case when he bold faced lied in the postgame interview. :lol He shouldn't have said he was already off the bench and trying to check in when it happened.

Yes, I really can't imagine the "just trying to check in" excuse will work--like Barkley said, it didn't work for him when he tried it. I would neither be surprised nor offended if the league didn't suspend either Stoudamire or Diaw, even though I think they weren't quite in the "immediate" vicinity of the bench. In general, I think the rule is fine, but the bottom line is I don't want the Spurs benefitting from the frustration caused by their own poor play (not that I can read Horry's mind). If Stoudamire and Diaw get away with a broken rule, I don't really care.

[RonMexico]

Actually, Nash was selling the flagrant. It looked like he had just been murdered. Horry, like you said, is already much bigger. You can't tell me Nash didn't know the contact was coming.

Either way - I just watched the replay again - it was Finley, not Manu, who had the touch foul on Nash. Definitely could have been called, but maybe they thought the Spurs were going into "Rockets mode" for some reason and letting 10 seconds wind off the clock.

[Kevin Blackistone]

That's going to be a big consideration. As much as we, for selfish reasons, would love to see no suspensions, the league can't very well sell that to the rest of the league and retain credibility.

That's been my whole point. I want to see a game six with all the stars as much as anyone, but not at the expense of upholding the rules of the game. Once the rules are deemed arbitrary and not everyone is subject to them the game is ruined.

It's the fucking principle of the matter.

[Purple & Gold]

Wow - you've become immune to flopping and must think it occurs on every play. I don't think Nash was "selling the flagrant." I've been hit by guys 6 inches and 80 pounds bigger than me and I didn't have to "sell anything" when I got lifted off my feet and slid 15 feet across the hardwood on a foul before.
I have no idea why you say I've become immune to flopping and think it happens on every play. But I know that won't stop you from assuming it.

Nash sold it. Of course I could be wrong because I'm not Steve Nash, but it sure did look like he was selling it. Horry dug the shoulder into him a little bit and Nash looked like he was in a pinball game.

And if you're flying 15 feet across the hardwood you might want to seriously think about taking some type of steroids. Or at least pick up a fucking weight from time to time.

[Obstructed_View]

I agree, but don't you think the League understands that and takes it into consideration.
If he sells the contact and his own teammates are enraged by that, they can't very well penalize the other team for that.

[RonMexico]

I'm still not sure - the angle with which Nash got hit makes it hard to "sell the flagrant" in any specific way because he was already losing his footing. Perhaps he hoped to squeeze past Horry on the right? I'm not sure, but the only other way I could see his body go is if he turned as he was hit and kind of fell sideways toward the mid-court stripe. The leverage that Horry has on him is so immense with his size, height, and Nash's momentum.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Yes, I really can't imagine the "just trying to check in" excuse will work--like Barkley said, it didn't work for him when he tried it. I would neither be surprised nor offended if the league didn't suspend either Stoudamire or Diaw, even though I think they weren't quite in the "immediate" vicinity of the bench. In general, I think the rule is fine, but the bottom line is I don't want the Spurs benefitting from the frustration caused by their own poor play (not that I can read Horry's mind). If Stoudamire and Diaw get away with a broken rule, I don't really care.

:drunk So would you still feel that way if people came to your house, robbed you, then shot you but the court decides that they don't mind if the perpetrators get away with a broken rule?

[kps0001]

So for Amare, it's just going to come down to how they rule on "immediate vicinity".

Amare didn't help his case when he bold faced lied in the postgame interview. :lol He shouldn't have said he was already off the bench and trying to check in when it happened.


I agree. I do have to say though, even though biased. How can you honestly say that Amare wasn't told that on the next whistle get your ass up and in the game. He heard the whistle and got up to the scorers table unaware that an "altercation" would be taking place.

It all happened pretty quickly. We will just have to wait to see what the league comes down with but I wouldn't say it was an outright lie by Amare. We truly don't know.





and for those that think Nash did a great sell job...Did you hear how hard he hit the freakin scorers table? That was a fucking hip check by Horry that is used in the NHL. There was no selling of the play needed.

[Spurs rock]

So the fact that it's a playoff game means that they should get special treatment where others before them were punished with suspensions for far less? Sure.

I don't make those decisions, the NBA does. I just put what I think is going to happen. I guess we'll find out tomorrow...

[Carie]

As much as we, for selfish reasons, would love to see no suspensions, the league can't very well sell that to the rest of the league and retain credibility.
Exactly.

[Obstructed_View]

Either way - I just watched the replay again - it was Finley, not Manu, who had the touch foul on Nash. Definitely could have been called, but maybe they thought the Spurs were going into "Rockets mode" for some reason and letting 10 seconds wind off the clock.
Too bad they didn't call it. It pisses me off that they've been doing that more this year. They think they are being cute and this is the result. I expect to see a clear directive sent to the officials this summer that they are to blow the whistle on any physical contact on intentional fouls. When your adrenaline is flowing and you are desperate to get the clock stopped in a big game it's going to happen. I don't like to guess what Horry was thinking, but since it seems rather out of character to do something willfully dirty, and I don't recall his having any particular reason to be frustrated, it's possible that's all it was.

[miss paxton]

:drunk So would you still feel that way if people came to your house, robbed you, then shot you but the court decides that they don't mind if the perpetrators get away with a broken rule?

Obviously I don't agree with that analogy. For one thing, in your hypothetical I would actually have been harmed, by property loss and personal injury; I don't see how Stoudamire and Diaw leaving the bench harmed the Spurs. Yes, the rule may have been broken but in this situation I think the rule is broad enough to allow some leeway, and I say again that I don't care if the league doesn't suspend Stoudamire and Diaw. It's my opinion; you don't have to agree with it.

[Purple & Gold]

I agree, but don't you think the League understands that and takes it into consideration.
I don't think Amare will get away without being suspended, it's just way to obvious that he left the bench. I think they will let Diaw slide on this one. I'm sure Stern doesn't want this series being decided because of this play.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I don't make those decisions, the NBA does. I just put what I think is going to happen. I guess we'll find out tomorrow...

Do you really want to spend your time and money supporting a league that breaks it's own rules and skews the game one way or another? Not suspending Stoudemire and Diaw at the least would make all of the previous suspensions for rule violations unjust. Maybe it's me, but I don't want to waste my time supporting a fixed league.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Obviously I don't agree with that analogy. For one thing, in your hypothetical I would actually have been harmed, by property loss and personal injury; I don't see how Stoudamire and Diaw leaving the bench harmed the Spurs. Yes, the rule may have been broken but in this situation I think the rule is broad enough to allow some leeway, and I say again that I don't care if the league doesn't suspend Stoudamire and Diaw. It's my opinion; you don't have to agree with it.

So rules and laws should only be enforced if someone is harmed? So the drunk driver who get's pulled over before he kills someone should be set free with no punishment?

[kps0001]

Do you really want to spend your time and money supporting a league that breaks it's own rules and skews the game one way or another? Not suspending Stoudemire and Diaw at the least would make all of the previous suspensions for rule violations unjust. Maybe it's me, but I don't want to waste my time supporting a fixed league.


....lol...we live in USA...George Fucking Bush does this shit everyday. You better get the hell outta the good ol US of A.

[RonMexico]

I have no idea why you say I've become immune to flopping and think it happens on every play. But I know that won't stop you from assuming it.

Nash sold it. Of course I could be wrong because I'm not Steve Nash, but it sure did look like he was selling it. Horry dug the shoulder into him a little bit and Nash looked like he was in a pinball game.

And if you're flying 15 feet across the hardwood you might want to seriously think about taking some type of steroids. Or at least pick up a fucking weight from time to time.

Apparently, you've never been on a waxed hardwood floor. I got hit in a similar fashion as I was crossing half court by someone of comparable height/size difference as Horry to Nash and I slid about 15 feet. I was running so fast that my feet pretty much lifted off the ground and I slid half on my side and half on my ass until the momentum finally stopped.

If those boards weren't there, I'm pretty sure Nash would have done the same since he was forced to leave his feet. However, Nash was falling backwards (to brace himself?) while my momentum actually took me from half court to the FT line on the other side. I didn't see the guy coming though (more of a blindside hit) so if Nash saw Horry, he probably could have slowed up more.

[miss paxton]

So rules and laws should only be enforced if someone is harmed? So the drunk driver who get's pulled over before he kills someone should be set free with no punishment?

As I mentioned before, it's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I'm not going to analogize criminal statutes to NBA rules, as I consider that to be apples and oranges.

[Obstructed_View]

and for those that think Nash did a great sell job...Did you hear how hard he hit the freakin scorers table? That was a fucking hip check by Horry that is used in the NHL. There was no selling of the play needed.
I don't know about anyone else, but I never suggested that he wasn't hit very very hard. However I think he made the same motion to sell the contact that he's done a thousand times this season, which made the foul look like a death blow. Since we all reacted to it, and since Nash wasn't actually dead, the facts fit what I thought I saw at the time. Anyone that watches him knows that he's added taking charges and drawing contact to his rep this year. I'll have to go back and watch it to verify that I saw what I saw, but I recognized the motion immediately. Doesn't mean he didn't get fouled. Doesn't mean Horry doesn't deserve a suspension. I'm talking about what he did and why his teammates reacted immediately in his defense, which may end up costing them.

[Trainwreck2100]

The NBA has had plenty of opportunities to amend this stupid rule, they didn't so now people will probably get suspended, and the series will be questioned. Maybe after this they will decide to fix the problem. But to just throw out the rules to keep the series good would shit in the face of anyone suspended by this rule.

[RonMexico]

Suns need either Amare OR Diaw... but if both are gone then it spells trouble. Pat Burke and Sean Marks time!

[Obstructed_View]

....lol...we live in USA...George Fucking Bush does this shit everyday. You better get the hell outta the good ol US of A.
Talk basketball or take that shit to the political forum. This ain't the place.

[Kori Ellis]

Well I hope Amare doesn't get suspended. Even though he's not as powerful as he was in 2005, he's still awesome to watch and it would be a shame if he got suspended.

[Trainwreck2100]

Suns need either Amare OR Diaw... but if both are gone then it spells trouble. Pat Burke and Sean Marks time!


That's what I said earlier Amare and the guy that takes Amare's place could be gone.

[Kevin Blackistone]

....lol...we live in USA...George Fucking Bush does this shit everyday. You better get the hell outta the good ol US of A.

And that makes it right? I can't do anything about where I was born and live, but I can control what entertainment I support. Life is unfair, I understand that as much as anyone, but changing and ignoring rules and laws for the benefit of a few is wrong. Sports are about the last venue on earth where people can expect a fair playing field, and now the NBA is progressing towards taking that way from professional basketball fans. It's a sad day, because once sports become muddied by politics and corruption - there's nothing left.

[kps0001]

I don't know about anyone else, but I never suggested that he wasn't hit very very hard. However I think he made the same motion to sell the contact that he's done a thousand times this season, which made the foul look like a death blow. Since we all reacted to it, and since Nash wasn't actually dead, the facts fit what I thought I saw at the time. Anyone that watches him knows that he's added taking charges and drawing contact to his rep this year. I'll have to go back and watch it to verify that I saw what I saw, but I recognized the motion immediately. Doesn't mean he didn't get fouled. Doesn't mean Horry doesn't deserve a suspension. I'm talking about what he did and why his teammates reacted immediately in his defense, which may end up costing them.


OK I follow you. Yes Nash has become great at getting that charge and drawing contact.

[RonMexico]

Latest Daily Dime from Marc Stein:

"First things first, since it's obviously what everyone wants to know about: The suspension question. By the letter of the law, Stoudemire and Boris Diaw have to be hit with one-game suspensions for leaving the bench after Horry cracked Nash. This is a virtually iron-clad NBA rule, except for the time back in 2002 that Doug Christie was attacked in the tunnel by Rick Fox in a Lakers-Kings exhibition game and several Kings players left the bench to assist him. The league ruled that time that no one, in the heat of the moment, knew exactly who Christie was tangling with, resulting in some unexpected pardons. In this case, Stoudemire clearly strayed into the court for a brief moment and even Suns coach Mike D'Antoni couldn't stifle a postgame laugh when Phoenix tried to suggest that Stoudemire was heading to the scorer's table to check in after the foul.

However . . .

Stoudemire and Diaw never made it near the scrum, as Suns assistant coaches scrambled them back to the bench. Nor did Monday's incident ever become an actual brawl, with referees Joe DeRosa and Javie getting between Nash and Horry before it could escalate. There is also a growing perception, most of all, that Bowen was shown a good deal of leniency by the league office after being accused of intentionally kicking a dunking Stoudemire in Game 2 and kneeing Nash in Game 3 . . . and going unpunished in both cases. Doesn't the league have to balance that against the notion of "staying consistent" on leaving-the-bench suspensions?"

[Kevin Blackistone]

As I mentioned before, it's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I'm not going to analogize criminal statutes to NBA rules, as I consider that to be apples and oranges.

in relation to importance to society, yes. But rules are rules and all rules are inherently the same in nature.

[kps0001]

Talk basketball or take that shit to the political forum. This ain't the place.


i was just making a joke. I don't know shit about politics and I ain't gonna pretend I do.

Sorry for my lame attempt at humor, once again. Damn I suck at jokes.

[RonMexico]

And that makes it right? I can't do anything about where I was born and live, but I can control what entertainment I support. Life is unfair, I understand that as much as anyone, but changing and ignoring rules and laws for the benefit of a few is wrong. Sports are about the last venue on earth where people can expect a fair playing field, and now the NBA is progressing towards taking that way from professional basketball fans. It's a sad day, because once sports become muddied by politics and corruption - there's nothing left.

Liberals are ruining this country.

"Conservative ideals" would let the players settle it on the court, but in the world where everyone gets a medal for participating, we need to have "rules are rules" arguments.

And yes, I am a moderate.

[Obstructed_View]

i was just making a joke. I don't know shit about politics and I ain't gonna pretend I do.

Sorry for my lame attempt at humor, once again. Damn I suck at jokes.
No worries. I just don't want the discussion to degenerate into fights over politics or bad calls. I'd still rather talk about actual basketball than rules interpretations or crime scene investigation, but it beats the hell out of complaining about calls.

[spurspf]

I hate to say this but...Amare should NOT get suspended. The Suns shouldn't suffer for Horry's stupidity.


but should Amare suffer for his stupidity?

[Obstructed_View]

Liberals are ruining this country.

"Conservative ideals" would let the players settle it on the court, but in the world where everyone gets a medal for participating, we need to have "rules are rules" arguments.

And yes, I am a moderate.
Again, knock off the political shit. This ain't the fucking place.

[miss paxton]

in relation to importance to society, yes. But rules are rules and all rules are inherently the same in nature.

I'm not criticizing you for feeling they should be suspended. My point is mainly that the rule is not all that clearly defined (i.e., the definition of immediate vicinity--is that six inches from the bench, for example? A foot?). I do wholeheartedly agree with you that if the league's rationale is that they don't want to suspend those two because they're key to the Suns (as Barkley was arguing), that would be complete crap.

[RonMexico]

Again, knock off the political shit. This ain't the fucking place.

But the 24 hours is all politics. No doubt Jerry Colangelo will be calling Stu Jackson to plead the Suns' case.

Politics play a very large role in what is going to happen tomorrow.

[UV Ray]

So rules and laws should only be enforced if someone is harmed? So the drunk driver who get's pulled over before he kills someone should be set free with no punishment?

No, but he doesn't receive the same punishment as the driver who kills someone either. Your "Suspend Them All" all attitude borders on belligerence and does not serve the spirit of sportsmanship. BTW, your career aptitude scores just came in and your qualified to be a prison guard. Congrats.

[Purple & Gold]

Apparently, you've never been on a waxed hardwood floor. I got hit in a similar fashion as I was crossing half court by someone of comparable height/size difference as Horry to Nash and I slid about 15 feet. I was running so fast that my feet pretty much lifted off the ground and I slid half on my side and half on my ass until the momentum finally stopped.

If those boards weren't there, I'm pretty sure Nash would have done the same since he was forced to leave his feet. However, Nash was falling backwards (to brace himself?) while my momentum actually took me from half court to the FT line on the other side. I didn't see the guy coming though (more of a blindside hit) so if Nash saw Horry, he probably could have slowed up more.
I have been blindsided on a waxed hardwood floor. But 15 feet... :rolleyes

Anyways it was an unnecessary foul by Horry. A simple regular foul would have been enough. But from watching the play numerous times it certainly looks like Nash sold it for more than what it was. He got the flagrant 2, but it really wasn't needed because a regular foul would have been enough to seal the win. Hopefully this play doesn't end up deciding the series.

[Kevin Blackistone]

No, but he doesn't receive the same punishment as the driver who kills someone either. Your "Suspend Them All" all attitude borders on belligerence and does not serve the spirit of sportsmanship. BTW, your career aptitude scores just came in and your qualified to be a prison guard. Congrats.

I didn't set the "suspend them all" rules - the NBA did. It's their rule, they set it.


BTW - you have to either be a little kid or a got damn moron.

[Obstructed_View]

But the 24 hours is all politics. No doubt Jerry Colangelo will be calling Stu Jackson to plead the Suns' case.

Politics play a very large role in what is going to happen tomorrow.
True. :lol

For the record, I didn't mean that kind of politics.

[Purple & Gold]

Liberals are ruining this country.

"Conservative ideals" would let the players settle it on the court, but in the world where everyone gets a medal for participating, we need to have "rules are rules" arguments.

And yes, I am a moderate.
I know this isn't the place.... But :rollin :rollin :lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

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I like the "what the fuck are you doing here" look that assistant is giving Stoudamire.

[Louie Vega]

Bye Bye Amare! Take full advantage of that R & R cause when you get back your ass is gonna get beat up some more! There's no crying in basketball!!

[RonMexico]

True. :lol

For the record, I didn't mean that kind of politics.

I know.

For the record, I just wanted to rile up P&G because he's a raging liberal and makes a point of it every thread.... usually as the bullets are whizzing past him on an outdoor concrete court in LA as he's jacking off to his latest Andrew Bynum poster.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

:madrun :pctoss :madrun :pctoss :madrun :pctoss GREAT! FUCKING GREAT! The Spurs get away with more bullshit! THIS ISNT FUCKING FAIR!!! :madrun :madrun :madrun

[Trainwreck2100]

What did they get away with?

[Obstructed_View]

What did they get away with?
more bullshit. Didn't you read the post? You don't actually expect a coherent explanation, do you? :lol

[Purple & Gold]

I know.

For the record, I just wanted to rile up P&G because he's a raging liberal and makes a point of it every thread.... usually as the bullets are whizzing past him on an outdoor concrete court in LA as he's jacking off to his latest Andrew Bynum poster.
:blah :blah :blah

What the fuck are you talking about again. When I think Ron can get no stupider he opens his mouth again.



BTW... did you notice your 2 favorites Bush and D'Antoni both have that same stupid looking grin. It's quite fucking funny.

And what happened to your boyfriend Battier. Looks like you were right about how great that trade was. :drunk

[Spurs Brazil]

Actually the rule has been amended from the Ewing suspension. There's wiggle room for the league. I say don't suspend anybody, even Horry, and let 'em play.

Agree

[Findog]

Horry got a Flagrant 2 and an ejection. His "suspension" is already covered. Amare and Diaw were held back by their coaching staff. I want this thing decided at full-strength for both teams. Fuck anybody who wishes otherwise.

[florige]

I doubt he will get suspended for that. He left, but I will highly doubt given the circumstances anything will happen to him.

[SAGambler]

You notice his head is turned toward the scorer table to check-in.

It was amazing how fast one of the announcers came up with that one. Not surprising since the other one (Kerr) must want to suck Nash's dick, the way he carries on over him.

Horry, Bell, Diaw, and Stoudimire should all be missing from Game 5.

[Taco]

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He should be suspended............but he won't be

[Findog]

He should be suspended............but he won't be

He's being held back by Iavorini. Good enough for me. The Suns coaching staff was headsup on that. Phoenix shouldn't be penalized.

[florige]

That one guy with the glasses grabbed Amare up quick. :lol

[UV Ray]

It was amazing how fast one of the announcers came up with that one. Not surprising since the other one (Kerr) must want to suck Nash's dick, the way he carries on over him.

Horry, Bell, Diaw, and Stoudimire should all be missing from Game 5.

So how much money did you lose on the game? :lol

[SAGambler]

You notice his head is turned toward the scorer table to check-in.

Yeah, the coaches always grab a player and restrain him from going to the scorers table to "check in".

But if he was going to "check in", then by stepping on the court, doesn't this mean the Suns had SIX players on the court? What is the penalty for that?

The announcer started that "going to check in" shit so I guess that's their story and they're sticking to it.

Got a chuckle from though from Barkley and company.....

Shaq said "Can't do the time, don't do the crime", so obviously he doesn't buy the "going to check in" scenario either.

[SAGambler]

So how much money did you lose on the game? :lol

What difference does that make?

It's the same old crap. No matter who the Spurs play. TNT and ABC announcers are riding the other teams cock.

I guess it's because the Spurs are boring and old and slow and only know how to win.

Face it. If the officials don't make the calls to keep Phoenix in it, that game was over by the end of the third.

[UV Ray]

What difference does that make?

It's the same old crap. No matter who the Spurs play. TNT and ABC announcers are riding the other teams cock.

I guess it's because the Spurs are boring and old and slow and only know how to win.

Face it. If the officials don't make the calls to keep Phoenix in it, that game was over by the end of the third.

Well, I guess we know which dwarf you're going to be today.

[ArgSpursFan]

You notice his head is turned toward the scorer table to check-in.

yeah,right.next time He will check-in will be next season anyways.

[UV Ray]

yeah,right.next time He will check-in will be next season anyways.
That was supposed to be a joke.

[VaSpursFan]

cut and dry...diaw and amare will be suspended. if not, this league is a fucking joke.

[dre11863]

If Stoudemire got suspended for this, the league would ruin a brilliant series.

There should be no suspensions for either team over this. This is the fucking playoffs, exceptions to rules should be made in this scenario. Stoudemire didn't cause any problems, Diaw didn't cause any problems, Horry and Bell didn't really fight, they just got physical.

All players involved should be on the court in Game 5.


There is nothing in the rule that says it will not be enforced in the playoffs. :wtf

[nkdlunch]

unfortunately a rule is a rule. and NBA enforces that strictly.

Stern loves the Suns but he loves his rules more.

[IX_Equilibrium]

Wishing Amare and Boris get suspended is a bitch move, IMO. I don't want to win that way.

[Spurminator]

Yeah fuck that shit. We've got these guys. I don't want there to be any excuses.

[LEONARD]

Real Spurs fans wouldn't want Amare and Diaw out after what Horry did...I've seen some here say this, but quite a few seem to be clinging to the hope that Amare and Diaw will be out. Cheap Shot Bob would be a nice trade-off for those 2 guys...

[Ginofan]

If Horry gets suspended, I would want one of their players out as well.

[nkdlunch]

I don't want the Suns players suspended. Not only because Suns could still win in Phoenix and then Amare would come back w/vengeance on game 6. but also because I wanna beat the Suns at full strength.

[2centsworth]

Real Spurs fans wouldn't want Amare and Diaw out after what Horry did...I've seen some here say this, but quite a few seem to be clinging to the hope that Amare and Diaw will be out. Cheap Shot Bob would be a nice trade-off for those 2 guys...
It would mess with the integrity of the game if Amare and Diaw were suspended. However, Nash is a big time flopper because that cross check wasn't nearly that hard.

[Ginofan]

Does anyone know for sure if the league would hand down fines, suspensions, whatever TODAY?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wow - you've become immune to flopping and must think it occurs on every play. I don't think Nash was "selling the flagrant." I've been hit by guys 6 inches and 80 pounds bigger than me and I didn't have to "sell anything" when I got lifted off my feet and slid 15 feet across the hardwood on a foul before.

Fifteen feet? Give me a break. Just admit you're biased and move on.

[LEONARD]

It would mess with the integrity of the game if Amare and Diaw were suspended. However, Nash is a big time flopper because that cross check wasn't nearly that hard.

Nash got decked man. The only "flop" to the whole thing IMO was when he laid down on the floor with his hands above his head. Him flying into the table wasn't a flop IMO...


If Horry gets suspended, I would want one of their players out as well.

Horry's foul on Nash was one thing, but he has to be suspended for the elbow at Bell's face...

[L.I.T]

I've said that the players (Spurs and Suns) should be suspended because that's what the rules say should happen. But, as a fan of basketball, I'd like to see both teams go at each other full-strength; I mean come on, who wouldn't?

Unfortunately, it seems like we're stuck in a weird damned if you do damned if you don't thing. If the NBA doesn't suspend any players then they open themselves up to accusations of favoritism or fixing (at least this is something I could foresee). They also run the risk of setting a bad precedent for future applications of this rule.

If they do suspend the players then it's all about how strict and unfair they are being; not taking into mitigating circumstances or intent. Either way, I think that this rule is going to be re-visited in the off-season to see if any refinements are possible.

The more I think about it, if the the Suns players are suspended it's just not a good scenario either way for the Spurs. If they win, we'll be hearing about how the Spurs couldn't beat a Suns team at full-strength and I can almost guarantee that the Suns will come out hot in Game 6, with Amare leading the charge.

If they lose the game then the series is effectively over. How do you bounce back from losing to a team without two of their most important cogs?

Applying the rules as they are written means that Amare, Diaw and Horry get suspended. As much as I personally would like to see no suspensions, I can't get around that.

Ah well, I wonder if this series is gonna go down in NBA lore like the Heat vs. Knicks one. Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful rivalry.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As I mentioned before, it's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I'm not going to analogize criminal statutes to NBA rules, as I consider that to be apples and oranges.

At the same time, you've got no right to get upset with him for disagreeing with you. Can't have it both ways.

[Gino20]

Nash got decked man. The only "flop" to the whole thing IMO was when he laid down on the floor with his hands above his head. Him flying into the table wasn't a flop IMO...



Horry's foul on Nash was one thing, but he has to be suspended for the elbow at Bell's face...

It appears that your rationale for suspending Horry is due to the fact that he broke a rule (obviously). So, do you think Amare and Diaw should be suspended as well for clearly going on the court? Just curious...

[tlongII]

I really don't think the league will suspend Stoudemire or Diaw. There were no punches thrown and they were by the scorer's table. Suspensions are merely wishful thinking by Spurs' fans.

[byrontx]

I want the Spurs to beat them on the court-not in the court.

[King]

A quick question here....Where are the pics of the Spurs bench?

http://www.rootsweb.com/~arbradle/ancestors/images/ymca_basketball_team.jpg

[Gino20]

I really don't think the league will suspend Stoudemire or Diaw. There were no punches thrown and they were by the scorer's table. Suspensions are merely wishful thinking by Spurs' fans.

By the scorer's table? Amare was clearly on the court, passed the coaches box. If he would have stayed on the black part of the court, he would be ok. However, he didn't didn't. I read somewhere he was so concerned about it that he went directly to the locker room to check out the highlights. I am not sure about Diaw though....

[SBGamesCone]

By the scorer's table? Amare was clearly on the court, passed the coaches box. If he would have stayed on the black part of the court, he would be ok. However, he didn't didn't. I read somewhere he was so concerned about it that he went directly to the locker room to check out the highlights. I am not sure about Diaw though....

As soon as the game ended, Amare had a set of headphones on at the scorers table doing an interview or something.

[Gino20]

As soon as the game ended, Amare had a set of headphones on at the scorers table doing an interview or something.

"Amare Stoudemire was so concerned about how his actions might be portrayed that he retreated to a small room adjacent to the Suns’ locker room to watch the replay on TNT." That was the quote....I am guessing it was right after the small interview. You would think he would join his team after such a win...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nash got decked man. The only "flop" to the whole thing IMO was when he laid down on the floor with his hands above his head. Him flying into the table wasn't a flop IMO...



Horry's foul on Nash was one thing, but he has to be suspended for the elbow at Bell's face...

You can't have it both ways. If Horry should be suspended for breaking the rules, then so should Amare and Diaw.

If Amare and Diaw should be given a break for losing their cool in the heat of the moment, so should Horry.

Unfortunately the latter sets a dangerous precedent for the league, so the former has to be done.

[GrandeDavid]

No way he gets suspended for that. Are you kidding me? :lol

Stop dreaming. He didn't do anything to warrant a suspension. There's too much to be left for interpretation. I just don't think the league will be sticklers on the line. We'll see, but in my opinion as suspension is definitely not warranted. He didn't even make it near the ruckus.

[King]

Real Spurs fans wouldn't want Amare and Diaw out after what Horry did...I've seen some here say this, but quite a few seem to be clinging to the hope that Amare and Diaw will be out. Cheap Shot Bob would be a nice trade-off for those 2 guys...

I'd hate it if they were suspended. Let the players decide the series, even if the Spurs lose. I couldn't take much satisfaction out of the Spurs winning a series where the team is missing two of their better players.

[LEONARD]

No way he gets suspended for that. Are you kidding me? :lol

Stop dreaming. He didn't do anything to warrant a suspension. There's too much to be left for interpretation. I just don't think the league will be sticklers on the line. We'll see, but in my opinion as suspension is definitely not warranted. He didn't even make it near the ruckus.

Throwing an elbow to the face of Bell isn't suspension worthy? Forget about the check on Nash...


You can't have it both ways. If Horry should be suspended for breaking the rules, then so should Amare and Diaw.

If Amare and Diaw should be given a break for losing their cool in the heat of the moment, so should Horry.

Unfortunately the latter sets a dangerous precedent for the league, so the former has to be done.

Gotcha...

cheap shot when the game is over + an elbow thrown at another guys' face

=

2 guys leaving the bench and being stopped before even getting close to the other players on the floor

Horry should be suspended for the elbow and that's it. Had he not done that, I could see them letting everybody play in game 5.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Hopefully there's a picture of Beno and Vaughn getting up and we can force pop to trim the rotations.
:p:

[GrandeDavid]

[QUOTE=LEONARD]Throwing an elbow to the face of Bell isn't suspension worthy? Forget about the check on Nash...

QUOTE]

I was talking about Amare Stoudemire. No way Amare gets suspended for that.

[ambchang]

By the strict interpretation of the rules, both Stoudemire and Diaw should be suspended, but that would just be stupid and makes no sense.
I would rather the refs call the games right and avoid players losing their cool than the league suspending players after the fact.
Nobody other than Horry should be suspended.

[miss paxton]

At the same time, you've got no right to get upset with him for disagreeing with you. Can't have it both ways.

I agree that he is entitled to his opinion and I wasn't upset with him, which is why I said this in response a few posts later:


I'm not criticizing you for feeling they should be suspended.

I can see the arguments both ways, which is why I actually don't envy the league for having to make this decision.

[dmac]

Hopefully there's a picture of Beno and Vaughn getting up and we can force pop to trim the rotations.
Fire up the PhotoShop boys and girls!!

[SBGamesCone]

Hey now. I like Beno and Vaughn. Beno has been stinking it up lately, but Vaughn has been playing solid ball recently.

[ManuMagic]

Kori, the league determined this is the end of the bench when they put the line there and made it the line the coaches must stay behind during the game play. The coaches are on the bench, and if this is a line that is meant to keep them near the bench then this is where the bench officially ends. Not my rules, Sterns rules.

[nkdlunch]

Kori, the league determined this is the end of the bench when they put the line there and made it the line the coaches must stay behind during the game play. The coaches are on the bench, and if this is a line that is meant to keep them near the bench then this is where the bench officially ends. Not my rules, Sterns rules.

If we use logic, we would conclude Amare did leave the vicinity of the bench. We have seen countless times, when players have been suspended by walking 2 feet from their seats. Amare walked farther than that. He walked along the sideline as well as into the playing court.

But then again, we don't know if NBA will use logic.

[Kori Ellis]

Kori, the league determined this is the end of the bench when they put the line there and made it the line the coaches must stay behind during the game play. The coaches are on the bench, and if this is a line that is meant to keep them near the bench then this is where the bench officially ends. Not my rules, Sterns rules.

They determined that's the end of the box for the coaches. They have never determined a hardline of what is the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. Stern can rule on this however he wants. He can say that they got up before there was an "altercation" (saying the initial foul was just a foul, not an altercation). He can say they never left what he determined in this case is the "immediate vicinity". It's not a hard rule no matter how many pictures Spurs fans want to post.

[ManuMagic]

They determined that's the end of the box for the coaches. They have never determined a hardline of what is the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. Stern can rule on this however he wants. He can say that they got up before there was an "altercation" (saying the initial foul was just a foul, not an altercation). He can say they never left what he determined in this case is the "immediate vicinity". It's not a hard rule no matter how many pictures Spurs fans want to post.

I know he can rule what he wants, but if he ever wants anyone to take him seriously and not regard him as a complete liar and a cover up artist then he can't just fly in the face of so much evidence and rule it one way just because he "likes" the Suns.

[Kori Ellis]

I know he can rule what he wants, but if he ever wants anyone to take him seriously and not regard him as a complete liar and a cover up artist then he can't just fly in the face of so much evidence and rule it one way just because he "likes" the Suns.

Okay if you want him to be a hardass so badly. Look for Bowen and Duncan to be suspended in Game 5 too :lol

I don't get why Spurs fans are dying for them to get suspended. Firstly, it's all Horry's fault anyway for his foul to start everything. Secondly, why do you want more asterisk wins?

The Spurs choked last night. Horry made a huge mistake last night. The Spurs don't deserve to get rewarded for it because Amare was dumb and left the bench area.

[Obstructed_View]

Real Spurs fans wouldn't want Amare and Diaw out after what Horry did...I've seen some here say this, but quite a few seem to be clinging to the hope that Amare and Diaw will be out. Cheap Shot Bob would be a nice trade-off for those 2 guys...
The problem is that there is a zero tollerance rule that nobody is to retaliate when the officials are trying to break people up, and guys have been rung up for it a dozen times in the past. If someone gets up and runs toward his teammates then the other team sees that and does the same. It's not like it's a new rule.

I don't want Amare and Diaw out, but not because of "what Horry did". Amare and Diaw should have been smart enough to know the rules, especially if the series was actually as "dirty" as Amare had been claiming. It's a simple bad judgment due to lack of experience. As a Spurs fan, I don't want the Spurs to back into anything, and after their choking bitch performance in the 4th last night, I think they need to earn any chance to advance on the road against a hostile crowd and an angry opponent with a complete roster. It doesn't mean I think the rules should just be ignored, and any attempt to justify what Amare and Diaw did is asinine.

[T Park]

Well its simple.

If Diaw and Stoudamire are suspended the Spurs get game 5.

If not, the Suns blow the Spurs out, due to the momentum and piss and vinigar they have right now.

[ducks]

Well its simple.

If Diaw and Stoudamire are suspended the Spurs get game 5.

If not, the Suns blow the Spurs out, due to the momentum and piss and vinigar they have right now.
horseshit
spurs will win either way
they will be pissed amare and diaw are not and take it out on suns

refs will call a very close game in game 5
duncan will take advantage and go for 39

[Obstructed_View]

Well its simple.

If Diaw and Stoudamire are suspended the Spurs get game 5.

If not, the Suns blow the Spurs out, due to the momentum and piss and vinigar they have right now.
Then I vote for the blowout. If the Spurs can't beat the Suns, they don't deserve to advance.

[BeerIsGood!]

Okay if you want him to be a hardass so badly. Look for Bowen and Duncan to be suspended in Game 5 too :lol

I don't get why Spurs fans are dying for them to get suspended. Firstly, it's all Horry's fault anyway for his foul to start everything. Secondly, why do you want more asterisk wins?

The Spurs choked last night. Horry made a huge mistake last night. The Spurs don't deserve to get rewarded for it because Amare was dumb and left the bench area.

It's not about the Spurs, it's about all of the players, teams, and fans who paid the price of someone being suspended for breaking this rule and taking the consequences. Letting these two slide because "it's just feels right" is a complete slap in the face of everyone who had to pay for breaking the rule before.

If TD and Bowen left the vicinity of the bench during an altercation, they should be suspended too. It's the rule.

[coachmac87]

how can duncan and bowen get suspended??? there was no altercation going on...there were no T'S thrown or anything just elson looked a fool hangin on the rim like he does all the time and fell...

[Mixability]

Okay if you want him to be a hardass so badly. Look for Bowen and Duncan to be suspended in Game 5 too :lol

I don't get why Spurs fans are dying for them to get suspended. Firstly, it's all Horry's fault anyway for his foul to start everything. Secondly, why do you want more asterisk wins?

The Spurs choked last night. Horry made a huge mistake last night. The Spurs don't deserve to get rewarded for it because Amare was dumb and left the bench area.

:tu :tu :tu :tu :tu :tu

[dtrain]

Looks like Baron Davis will be allowed to play in game 5 despite his elbow to Fisher. I haven't seen this play, is it anything comparable to Horry's hard foul?

[T Park]

Then I vote for the blowout. If the Spurs can't beat the Suns, they don't deserve to advance.

You act like the Suns are the Lakers or something...

[Findog]

Looks like Baron Davis will be allowed to play in game 5 despite his elbow to Fisher. I haven't seen this play, is it anything comparable to Horry's hard foul?

It was about the same.

[Obstructed_View]

how can duncan and bowen get suspended??? there was no altercation going on...there were no T'S thrown or anything just elson looked a fool hangin on the rim like he does all the time and fell...
If the league deterimines that it was an altercation by any of their definitions, and Duncan and Bowen made a move from the bench toward the floor, they'll get suspended. Of that there is no doubt. I'd imagine that if not for the end of the game it wouldn't even have been looked at, though. The Suns fans would have been in here lobbying for it, though.

[Kori Ellis]

It's not about the Spurs, it's about all of the players, teams, and fans who paid the price of someone being suspended for breaking this rule and taking the consequences. Letting these two slide because "it's just feels right" is a complete slap in the face of everyone who had to pay for breaking the rule before.

If TD and Bowen left the vicinity of the bench during an altercation, they should be suspended too. It's the rule.

My point is that the rule is vague. There's no written limit of what the "immediate vicinity" of the bench is. So Stern can determine the altercation hadn't began when they got up ... or he can determine they were still in the immediate vicinity of the bench if he thinks they were.

As for TD and BB - Tim went on the court after Elson/JJones were tangled up. Bowen went and pulled back Tim. So if you want to call that an altercation, they should be suspended too.

Then we all get to watch crap basketball in Game 5. Hooray!

[T Park]

I don't get why Spurs fans are dying for them to get suspended. Firstly, it's all Horry's fault anyway for his foul to start everything. Secondly, why do you want more asterisk wins?



I didn't know the Spurs had any asterisk wins to begin with.

[nkdlunch]

Looks like Baron Davis will be allowed to play in game 5 despite his elbow to Fisher. I haven't seen this play, is it anything comparable to Horry's hard foul?

you can't even compare the 2. Horry's foul was a flagrant foul nothing more.

Baron's was an elbow to the jaw of Fisher. You could compare this to Horry's elbow to Bell. and still, baron's is worse.

[Obstructed_View]

You act like the Suns are the Lakers or something...
You're the one who predicted they'd blow the Spurs out. If the Spurs can't beat the Nuggets they don't deserve to advance. What part of that don't you understand?

[Mixability]

It's funny, when I came into work this morning, everyone was talking about Amare/Diaw needing to be suspended because "it's a rule" the minute I mentioned Duncan/Bowen doing the same thing, the rule became "stupid". :rolleyes

I want a fair fight.

Beating an Amare-less Suns team would be the equivalent of beating someone up after you've tied one of their arms behind their back. Nothing to be proud of.

[nkdlunch]

I don't get why Spurs fans are dying for them to get suspended.

Kori come one :rolleyes, you really don't know why a Spur fan would want the Suns 2nd best player suspended for crucial game 5??

and the Spurs choking and sucking has nothing to do with the suspensions in question, totally different issues.

[BeerIsGood!]

My point is that the rule is vague. There's no written limit of what the "immediate vicinity" of the bench is. So Stern can determine the altercation hadn't began when they got up ... or he can determine they were still in the immediate vicinity of the bench if he thinks they were.

As for TD and BB - Tim went on the court when Elson/JJones were tangled up. Bowen went and pulled back Tim. So if you want to call that an altercation, they should be suspended too.

Then we all get to watch crap basketball in Game 5. Hooray!

I see that point as well, but I also feel you have to uphold the punishments that others had to endure. It's a no win situation for the NBA, the fans, and everyone else involved. That's for sure.

It appears if the refs had done their job and policed the game correctly none of this would have happened. That should be a lesson to Stern.

[Obstructed_View]

I didn't know the Spurs had any asterisk wins to begin with.
I agree. If Amare and Diaw are suspended it's their own fault, anyway. Same goes with Bowen and Duncan.

[Kori Ellis]

I didn't know the Spurs had any asterisk wins to begin with.

Umm.. in the eyes of others. I am asking why you don't want the teams playing at full strength. Why would you want anyone to be able to put excuses on why the Suns lost?

[sunsbum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39nRO5keRM


bye bye.

[Obstructed_View]

Kori come one :rolleyes, you really don't know why a Spur fan would want the Suns 2nd best player suspended for crucial game 5??
Because they are a pussy?

[coachmac87]

ill take any win....suspensions are apart of the game...its not like the leauge wants this to happen..its the players fault for even have them to consider this..so people can blame the spurs suns or the nba but its the players fault..amare brought all the "dirty" attention to the series..and kno look whats he got himself into...karma is a bitch amare

[nkdlunch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39nRO5keRM


bye bye.

good try, but no altercation was happening. unless Elson was fighting the floor.

[dtrain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39nRO5keRM


bye bye.

Call me carzy, but I think the difference is that he went on the court because he was excited about a killer dunk, not to try and get into an altercation. Because there wasn't an altercation. Nice try.

[sunsbum]

good try, but no altercation was happening. unless Elson was fighting the floor.


lets let the league decide what an altercation is, not a couple of dipshits on a message board.

[nkdlunch]

lets let the league decide what an altercation is, not a couple of dipshits on a message board.

I agree, Mr. dipshit

[Obstructed_View]

Call me carzy.
Carzy.

[T Park]

Umm.. in the eyes of others. I am asking why you don't want the teams playing at full strength. Why would you want anyone to be able to put excuses on why the Suns lost?

I guess Im a bad fan.

I want the team to win at any costs. If it comes at the prices of some poindexters in their mom's basements crying foul, then oh well.


I'll take all the excuse laden asterisk championships they wanna give out.

[BeerIsGood!]

I think this argument is a good example of society... some people want to let things slide, some people want to enforce the rules, and some people want to win at any cost - the kind of people who would step on their own mother to get ahead.

[planaria]

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http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2016/timmy2nz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[BeerIsGood!]

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Where's the altercation? I'm all for suspending anyone who breaks the rule, but I fail to see an altercation there.

[SAtown]

that's a weird looking dude right behind ivaroni (sp?) on the right

:lol

I don't even know who "ivaroni" is, but it's obvious who you're talking about.

[timvp]

If Elson getting up off the floor pissed off at nothing causes Duncan to get suspended, Elson should be immediately waived.

Because Elson acted like a dumbass and the ref had to go over to him, that could be construed as an altercation.

WTF? :pctoss

[planaria]

What the hell Duncan was doing there (way on court..even more than Stoudemire) if not to start some altercation or help Elson?

It´s exactly the same thing Amare did in the Horry play.

[planaria]

Because Elson acted like a dumbass and the ref had to go over to him, that could be construed as an altercation.

WTF? :pctoss

That is the point.

[lebomb]

What the hell Duncan was doing there (way on court..even more than Stoudemire) if not to start some altercation or help Elson?

It´s exactly the same thing Amare did in the Horry play.


You dumbass.......Duncan was concerned that Elson was hurt....not that an altercation was happening.
:rolleyes

[Kori Ellis]

I guess Im a bad fan.

I want the team to win at any costs. If it comes at the prices of some poindexters in their mom's basements crying foul, then oh well.


I'll take all the excuse laden asterisk championships they wanna give out.
Then you take the game far too seriously. If all that matters is a championship and you don't care about how they get it, then I guess cheating, thugging and whatever else is good too. Nice standards :td

[sunsbum]

Where's the altercation? I'm all for suspending anyone who breaks the rule, but I fail to see an altercation there.


it was enough of an altercation for the ref to get between elson as you can clearly see in the picture.

[planaria]

You dumbass.......Duncan was concerned that Elson was hurt....not that an altercation was happening.
:rolleyes

The guy sweeping the court also should be suspended! :p:

[wildbill2u]

Depends how you define vicinity. He's on the court and he ventures away from being in front of the bench.
When the players and coaches chairs are so close to the sideline, it's hard to see how one of those long-legged dudes can miss going over the line everytime they stand up.

I want to win, but haven't seen anything warranting suspension yet? WE have the players and coaches to win this straight up and so then we shouldn't beat them with two key players missing on technicality where there was no harm/no foul.

[coachmac87]

hey big shot rob always comes through in the clutch...he didnt even make a 3 this time

[dtrain]

He was concerned that Elson might be hurt? He was standing up as soon as Elson went up for the dunk and is taking a step towards the floor (its not a great angle but it looks like he was on the floor) right as the dunk happens, but before there is anyone underneath Elson. He was doing like all players do and cheering for a killer dunk. When he was up and taking his steps there wasn't any kind of contact for him to be concerned about, and in fact if you look closely, once he realized there might have been a question about the call he goes and sits down. There is no comparison to what Amare did. That being said, I hope they don't suspend Amare. I want to see them play a game.

[BeerIsGood!]

it was enough of an altercation for the ref to get between elson as you can clearly see in the picture.

between Elson and who? There's no one else there for the ref to get in between. You're either really reaching beyond the point of sanity or you're just trolling for fun.

[beirmeistr]

I think this argument is a good example of society... some people want to let things slide, some people want to enforce the rules, and some people want to win at any cost - the kind of people who would step on their own mother to get ahead.

good observation.

[Marcus Bryant]

If an "altercation" includes a player venting because he ended up on the floor then I'm done with today's NBA.

[ploto]

Could not a claim then be made that Amare and Diaw were heading to Nash to check and see if he was OK- as they never in any way enganged a Spurs player?

[BeerIsGood!]

Could not a claim then be made that Amare and Diaw were heading to Nash to check and see if he was OK- as they never in any way enganged a Spurs player?

That would be a viable claim if Stoudemire wasn't pissed off rushing the scene being held back by his coaches.


After seeing it a few times, I'm not sure how far Diaw actually got from the bench. If anything, I think you can make a case for Diaw being in the vicinity but Amare is good as toast if the NBA has any integrity left.

[BeerIsGood!]

If an "altercation" includes a player venting because he ended up on the floor then I'm done with today's NBA.

I'm seriously thinking about chucking the NBA altogether due to all of this bullshit. It's a no integrity league that has turned into trash. Might as well show it right after General Hostipal.

[dbreiden83080]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39nRO5keRM


bye bye.

Bye bye where was the altercation might i ask you?

[dallaskd]

wow. big deal

[Obstructed_View]

Could not a claim then be made that Amare and Diaw were heading to Nash to check and see if he was OK- as they never in any way enganged a Spurs player?
I thought of that too, but Amare walked right past Nash. I'm not sure how anyone can make a case that he was doing anything but going toward the scrum.

[okieviper]

Looks to me like Nash is getting raped


by the Ref, no pun intended

[morganos]

Do you have permission to publish pictures of the NBA and Snaps of TNT on the Internet? Doubt it. But....
Congratulations to the San Antonio Spurs on their fourth NBA championship in the Tim Duncan era.
And congrats, too, to the NBA and its idiotic, backward, zero-tolerance sentencing guidelines for making it possible.
Wow...Any advantage that you can come up with.
it is a crappy call to take Amare and Diaw out.
Send in the goon at the end of the game to clothesline the Sun's superstar in front of his bench and see how many of his teammates manage to stay in their seats with their arms folded.- Great Way to Win a Series.