Suns fans out of control

[spurastic]

http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=90747

Now here's some interesting takes on how the Suns fans think (if you can call that thinking).

Edit: Oh, read farther into the thread with desires expressed such as snipers, body bags, etc.

[violentkitten]

i guess spurs fans need to visit and advise them to be "classy".

[sunsbum]

its no different than the support dirty spurs and robert horry should have hit him harder threads.

[word]

shooting someone is the same as 'fouling' someone ?

What god awful crazy world do you live in ?

[DePastino]

Morons are morons, no matter what city they're from.

[Strike]

Horry didn't try to hurt Nash. Nash just acted like a little bitch and Amare & Diaw were fucking stupid enough to leave the bench. You Suns fans are talking about purposely hurting another player.

What Horry did was low class. But what some of those motherfuckers are suggesting is straight criminal

[sunsbum]

Horry didn't try to hurt Nash. Nash just acted like a little bitch and Amare & Diaw were fucking stupid enough to leave the bench. You Suns fans are talking about purposely hurting another player.

What Horry did was low class. But what some of those motherfuckers are suggesting is straight criminal

38 years and no rings....youd be pissed too.

ill saw off duncans legs with a butter knife. :toast

[violentkitten]

a bunch of teenage kiddos from the 'burbs ready to do 25 to life in federal pound it in the ass prison

[Strike]

38 years and no rings....youd be pissed too.

ill saw off duncans legs with a butter knife. :toast

fucking moron.

[sunsbum]

fucking moron.
:clap :clap

[violentkitten]

39 years and no rings


:toast

[Extra Stout]

Obviously the Suns aren't going to send Pat Burke out there to injure one of the Spurs' stars. If they did that, the consequences would be enormous for their entire franchise. Not only would D'Antoni miss the rest of the playoffs, and a significant part of the 2007-08 season, and receive a six-figure fine on top of it, but the Suns organization would be fined up to seven figures and probably would have its top draft choice confiscated.

But it would not surprise me at all to see Suns fans sneaking in D-cells in their pockets and purses.

[sunsbum]

Obviously the Suns aren't going to send Pat Burke out there to injure one of the Spurs' stars. If they did that, the consequences would be enormous for their entire franchise. Not only would D'Antoni miss the rest of the playoffs, and a significant part of the 2007-08 season, and receive a six-figure fine on top of it, but the Suns organization would be fined up to seven figures and probably would have its top draft choice confiscated.

But it would not surprise me at all to see Suns fans sneaking in D-cells in their pockets and purses.

fuck hurting the spurs, i want to take out stern. hes lucky his ass cancled comming to the game.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Well when you just had the league bend you over and fuck you in the ass, you'd probably be a bit testy too.

[Xylus]

Well when you just had the league bend you over and fuck you in the ass, you'd probably be a bit testy too.
:lol :lol

[noles1983]

[QUOTE=XylusWell when you just had the league bend you over and fuck you in the ass, you'd probably be a bit testy too.

[/QUOTE]

thats what the refs do to us :lol

[Ya Vez]

I didn't see any spurs jump up and leave the bench... the rules are in place for a reason... either sit your ass on the bench and let the ref's sort it out .. or live with the results...

[hater]

hopefully not many will commit suicide.

[Obstructed_View]

Well when you just had the league bend you over and fuck you in the ass, you'd probably be a bit testy too.
How exactly did they do that? By not ignoring the rules for your team? By making your team's players pay the price for their infraction? Not suprising from a fan base that's complained about the unfair officiating and the "hard hits" they've suffered from the beginning of the series.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

How exactly did they do that? By not ignoring the rules for your team? By making your team's players pay the price for their infraction? Not suprising from a fan base that's complained about the unfair officiating and the "hard hits" they've suffered from the beginning of the series.

No, because they enforced an absolutely moronic rule that makes no sense to the detriment of our team when they were the non-aggressor in the altercation.

[pawe]

I dont know the reason why they hate the spurs as a team. its not like Pop instructed Horry to do it to Nash. we all have a few demons inside of us and unfortunatley Horry showed his out of frustration.

Hate the NBA system, the Spurs didnt ask for suspensions. all of us has been cheated out of a probably very good game 5.

[Booyah30]

All I know is, Pat Burke has 6 fouls to give.

I want the Spurs to remember every single one.

Dont hurt anyone, but make Parker think twice about cutting to the lane.

It doesn't sound like most Suns fan want to hurt the Spurs, just play Post season basketball. Isn't that what everybody says it is. This is why i think the way teams play in the post season is a bunch of crap. Why is it ok for a guy to check someone or clothesline them. That is not basketball. I played the game and that is not basketball. that is those with no ability trying to make up for it.

[violentkitten]

No, because they enforced an absolutely moronic rule that makes no sense to the detriment of our team when they were the non-aggressor in the altercation.

yeah, bell was totally passive

[ChumpDumper]

No, because they enforced an absolutely moronic rule that makes no senseThat rule makes sense. You're just pissed two of your guys were too stupid to obey it.

[Booyah30]

What would you do?? Take a couple of steps in support of your teammate or sit on the bench???

[ChumpDumper]

All I know is, Pat Burke has 6 fouls to give.

I want the Spurs to remember every single one.

Dont hurt anyone, but make Parker think twice about cutting to the lane.Why would a player remember a foul if it didn't hurt?

You either want it to hurt or make the player think he'll be hurt next time.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

That rule makes sense. You're just pissed two of your guys were too stupid to obey it.

To not expect players to react when your leader is decked right in front of you is asinine. What you do is enforce the rules on a case by case basis instead of leaving yourself no room for interpretation or mitigating circumstances. What happened is that Phoenix was punished for a cheap shot delivered by the other team.

[T Park]

So the next time theres a Detroit incident, we will see how "stupid" the rule is.

[ChumpDumper]

What would you do?? Take a couple of steps in support of your teammate or sit on the bench???Stand off of the court like everyone else on your team was smart enough to do.

[hater]

I'm getting sick of Suns fans. Do ppl need to explain the rule 100000000000 times to them?

[Obstructed_View]

To not expect players to react when your leader is decked right in front of you is asinine. What you do is enforce the rules on a case by case basis instead of leaving yourself no room for interpretation or mitigating circumstances. What happened is that Phoenix was punished for a cheap shot delivered by the other team.
The Spurs had their second leading scorer taken out of the playoffs by a dirty hit. Nobody left the bench and the guy committing the foul wasn't suspended a single game. In fact, he committed another hard foul on another Spur the following game. Nobody left the bench. If your players don't know the rules, it's not the NBA's job to bail them out. Grow up and deal with it.

[SUNS ROCK]

This just shows how pathedic Horry is to go to violance is unexceptable if karma exsists Suns will win

[pawe]

intentions to fight or not amare and diaw broke the rule.

[Phill11]

I've been browsing this forum throughout the series and I'll be making my first post.

I've always had lots of respect for the Spurs. The Duncan/Robinson era was one that we won't see again. Anytime you have two bigs dominate... it's a rare thing. But after this series my mentality of the Spurs has gone from class acts to just con-artists.

Now, hear us Suns fans out, as I think I speak on behalf of most of them.

Consider these key facts:
-Robert Horry instigated by the rough foul. Sure he needed to foul and grabbing around the waist would have worked, but instead he choose to lower his shoulder into Nash.

-Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.

If your proud to have a person like Robert Horry on your team, shame on you. I'll be honest, I was dissapointed Raja Bell stooped to Kobe Bryant's level last year.

By this post, I'm not looking to start a war. Just showing you a Suns fans thoughts...

[OldDirtMcGirt]

The Spurs had their second leading scorer taken out of the playoffs by a dirty hit. Nobody left the bench and the guy committing the foul wasn't suspended a single game. In fact, he committed another hard foul on another Spur the following game. Nobody left the bench. If your players don't know the rules, it's not the NBA's job to bail them out. Grow up and deal with it.

Chris Sheridan puts it more eloquently than I ever could do, so here's the article:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2871726&name=sheridan_chris

[Obstructed_View]

If Karma exists, it's the reason Amare and Diaw are suspended.

[violentkitten]

every player in the league knows that rule. save for a couple of suns, apparently.

[angel_luv]

What would you do?? Take a couple of steps in support of your teammate or sit on the bench???


You sit on the bench. That is how you support the team.

What help was Amare or Barbosa to their team? None.
All their stupidity did was further injure their team.

I feel no sympathy for them, personally. They knew the rules and they broke them.
To quote Shaq ( can't believe I am- what is world coming to? :lol) " You do the crime, you have to pay the time."

Robert deserved his suspension- love the guy, but he does.
No one was unfairly punished here.

[CubanMustGo]

This just shows how pathedic Horry is to go to violance is unexceptable if karma exsists Suns will win

Pathedic?
Violance?
Unexceptable?
Exsists?

WTF language are you speaking, rube?

[T Park]

if you read 07 seconds or less, or whatever that toilet tissue book was that I read.

Amare is about as dumb as mud on a post.

So him rushing out in that situation and getting himself suspended isn't suprising.

[L.I.T]

So, basically Suns fans want the NBA to start regulating intent?

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Putting Pat Burke in goon mode..... WTF?? Hello let me show you to the clue vending machine. Insert coin....

If you thought about this for one second, you'd realize that this is exactly WHAT THE REFS WILL BE LOOKING FOR. The first goon hit will be an instant Flagrant 2 and ejection. Then where will they be?

[angel_luv]

If Karma exists, it's the reason Amare and Diaw are suspended.

Or as I like to say, God don't like ugly. :)

[Obstructed_View]

Chris Sheridan puts it more eloquently than I ever could do, so here's the article:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2871726&name=sheridan_chris
Um, that's an insider article, so all that shows up is the first two paragraphs calling it stupid. That's about as eloquent as you are.

Explain to me why the NBA should ignore the rules for your team, when it has rigidly stuck to the leaving the bench equals an automatic suspension for everyone else since the inception of the rule. Players are responsible for their actions.

For example, I think the Horry suspension is way too harsh. But if Horry didn't want to be suspended he shouldn't have committed a hard foul or he should have figured out a way to look a little more like he didn't mean to do it. Once he made the hit he lost control of his own fate. Therefore what I think doesn't matter because Horry broke the rules.

[ChumpDumper]

Chris Sheridan puts it more eloquently than I ever could do, so here's the article:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2871726&name=sheridan_chris

I'm even more eloquent.

It's a rule. Follow it or face the consequences. If you don't like the rule, get it changed, but don't complain about it's existence after several years and expect it to be ignored.

[violentkitten]

-Robert Horry instigated by the rough foul. Sure he needed to foul and grabbing around the waist would have worked, but instead he choose to lower his shoulder into Nash.

and nash chose to drive right at horry with no room between him and the sideline.




-Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.


difference is, there was no altercation. a player goes to the ground hard and his teammates come off the bench to see if he's alright. that is no subject to the rule. which, of course, is why they were not suspended.

stoudemire and bell weren't responding just to nash lying on the ground playing dead but rather to bell trying to start something with horry. altercation. suspension. fairly clear.




If your proud to have a person like Robert Horry on your team, shame on you. I'll be honest, I was dissapointed Raja Bell stooped to Kobe Bryant's level last year.


rofl



By this post, I'm not looking to start a war. Just showing you a Suns fans thoughts...

a sun fan thinks?

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Putting Pat Burke in goon mode..... WTF?? Hello let me show you to the clue vending machine. Insert coin....

If you thought about this for one second, you'd realize that this is exactly WHAT THE REFS WILL BE LOOKING FOR. The first goon hit will be an instant Flagrant 2 and ejection. Then where will they be?

No Pat Burke?! God help us! We have no chance!

[Obstructed_View]

So, basically Suns fans want the NBA to start regulating intent?
They wanted the NBA to regulate intent when they wanted Bowen suspended for his vicious leg sweep on Amare's surgically repaired knee or Bowen's flying donkey kick of Nash's vaginal area. Why should this be any different?

[SUNS ROCK]

Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.

How can you say that the leauge was right? That shows that the out come is unfair

[cherylsteele]

To not expect players to react when your leader is decked right in front of you is asinine. What you do is enforce the rules on a case by case basis instead of leaving yourself no room for interpretation or mitigating circumstances. What happened is that Phoenix was punished for a cheap shot delivered by the other team.
The Suns need to be careful as to not to overreact to fouls and such.....the ref's may see it as a type of retaliation and may call it more one sided. It is a fine line.

[ChumpDumper]

who both went in to calm the situation:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Extra Stout]

The rule was clear and had to be enforced. But it's a bad rule, and having it on the books ruined this series.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Um, that's an insider article, so all that shows up is the first two paragraphs calling it stupid. That's about as eloquent as you are.

Explain to me why the NBA should ignore the rules for your team, when it has rigidly stuck to the leaving the bench equals an automatic suspension for everyone else since the inception of the rule. Players are responsible for their actions.

For example, I think the Horry suspension is way too harsh. But if Horry didn't want to be suspended he shouldn't have committed a hard foul or he should have figured out a way to look a little more like he didn't mean to do it. Once he made the hit he lost control of his own fate. Therefore what I think doesn't matter because Horry broke the rules.

My bad, didn't realize it was insider.

And the NBA shouldn't just ignore the rule for "my team", I thought that this shit was ridiculous when it happened in 1997, and then the bench players actually contributed to the fracas. It leaves nothing open to interpretation and punishes the Phoenix players for a brawl that they had no business in starting, and a brawl that their actions did not escalate in the slightest.

So really they're being suspended arbitrarily as a result of a brawl that they had nothing to do with. Sounds pretty fucking stupid to me.

[violentkitten]

what about intent when nash tripped up bowen? or perhaps when bell shoved oberto down? or when bell came down hard on horry? bell's been doing that kind of shit for years. one hard playoff foul and suddenly horry's the dirtiest player in the league. that's some funny shit. it goes to show you how insular suns fans are. then again, almost 4 decades without any rings would probably lead most fans down that path.

[Budkin]

I don't agree with the rule, but them's the rules... and I'll take the advantage it gives us any day, especially after the one sided bullshit officiating in Game 4.


(to the tune of That's Amore):
"When your team goes bye bye and your fans don't know why, ask Amare! Ask Amare..."

[L.I.T]

They wanted the NBA to regulate intent when they wanted Bowen suspended for his vicious leg sweep on Amare's surgically repaired knee or Bowen's flying donkey kick of Nash's vaginal area. Why should this be any different?

At least they're selectively consistent in applying their blinders.

[Gros Membres!]

Well when you just had the league bend you over and fuck you in the ass, you'd probably be a bit testy too.
Quote of the day. I feel terrible for Suns fans. Perhaps the league will take a look at this in the off-season and further some of the language already in this rule and take a long, hard look at circumstantial evidence.

[ChumpDumper]

So really they're being suspended arbitrarily as a result of a brawl that they had nothing to do with.No, they are really being suspended as a result of leaving the bench vicinity during an altercation.

The rest of your team was smart enough to avoid doing this.

[violentkitten]

My bad, didn't realize it was insider.

And the NBA shouldn't just ignore the rule for "my team", I thought that this shit was ridiculous when it happened in 1997, and then the bench players actually contributed to the fracas. It leaves nothing open to interpretation and punishes the Phoenix players for a brawl that they had no business in starting, and a brawl that their actions did not escalate in the slightest.

So really they're being suspended arbitrarily as a result of a brawl that they had nothing to do with. Sounds pretty fucking stupid to me.

nah, they're suspended for not following a rule that's been around for over a decade. maybe if they were rooks you could understand, but sadly that's not the case. the rule's meant to prevent fights from escalating. for the most part it works.

[cherylsteele]

Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.

How can you say that the leauge was right? That shows that the out come is unfair
A calm situation? Are really that bias or blind? It was even close to being the same.

The key word in the rule is "altercation". The duncan and Bowen "incident wasn't even close. The 2 players never even looked at each other afterwards.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

No, they are really being suspended as a result of leaving the bench vicinity during an altercation.

The rest of your team was smart enough to avoid doing this.

Oh no! God help the NBA, they left the bench! They had shit to do with a fight that a Spurs player started, and took like five steps before coming back.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

nah, they're suspended for not following a rule that's been around for over a decade. maybe if they were rooks you could understand, but sadly that's not the case. the rule's meant to prevent fights from escalating. for the most part it works.

Yall must be dense. The rule is stupid. They had shit all to do with the fight and their actions did absolutely nothing to escalate the fight. Hence there should be no punishment.

[violentkitten]

Oh no! God help the NBA, they left the bench! They had shit to do with a fight that a Spurs player started, and took like five steps before coming back.

who really started the fight? bell got in horry's face after the hard foul.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I think the situation sucks for a number of reasons, but it alwayas amazes me how players break rules that they know ARE THERE and then bitch about getting punished for it. THEY KNEW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN!! Excercise some fucking self control for fuck sake!! Why the fuck aren't the Suns mad at Amare and Diaw for being that fucking stupid in the first place??

EDIT: I'll throw another "fuck" in there for good measure...

[cherylsteele]

Oh no! God help the NBA, they left the bench! They had shit to do with a fight that a Spurs player started, and took like five steps before coming back.
So you are implying that it would have been okay for them to escalate the incident because a player from the other team started it?

[violentkitten]

Yall must be dense. The rule is stupid. They had shit all to do with the fight and their actions did absolutely nothing to escalate the fight. Hence there should be no punishment.

nah, we get it. a couple of players from your favorite team were too dense to follow what is a rather clear rule. now you think the rule is unfair because their stupidity has penalized your team in the next game.

[angel_luv]

For those of you who disagree with the rule, some questions:

1) Why
2) How would you amend it?
3) What do you see as the benefits and/ or risk that would come with the change?

[L.I.T]

Escalation happened after the foul. Horry hits Nash, Nash goes down, Nash pops back up, Bell rushes Horry (hence escalation), Nash rushes Horry, players on court converge...Amare and Diaw rush off the bench and break coaches box, Sun assistants gang tackle Amare and Diaw...players on court hug to show solidarity.

Suns players escalated the situation after the foul.

[cherylsteele]

Yall must be dense. The rule is stupid.
So it is a stupid rule, doesn't mean you can break it.
Do you go 70mph in a 60mph zone because it is stupid?

[Obstructed_View]

My bad, didn't realize it was insider.

And the NBA shouldn't just ignore the rule for "my team", I thought that this shit was ridiculous when it happened in 1997, and then the bench players actually contributed to the fracas. It leaves nothing open to interpretation and punishes the Phoenix players for a brawl that they had no business in starting, and a brawl that their actions did not escalate in the slightest.

So really they're being suspended arbitrarily as a result of a brawl that they had nothing to do with. Sounds pretty fucking stupid to me.
But you said yourself that the rule leaves nothing open to interpretation. The entire league knows that. All the players know that. Hell, even you seem to know that. They are therefore not being suspended arbitrarily. I'm not sure why you have a problem with the league enforcing the rules on your team exactly the same way they've been enforced against every other team for ten years. Saying that you disliked it all along doesn't give you immunity. You need to try to understand that NBA players are made aware of this rule all the time and Amare and Diaw broke that rule. I'd like to see them not be suspended too, but there's just no way that was going to be possible.

[Obstructed_View]

Yall must be dense. The rule is stupid. They had shit all to do with the fight and their actions did absolutely nothing to escalate the fight. Hence there should be no punishment.
The rule was broken. They broke the rule. The rule states a one game suspension if you break it. The fact that you disagree with a rule doesn't give you the right to break it.

[violentkitten]

But you said yourself that the rule leaves nothing open to interpretation. The entire league knows that. All the players know that. Hell, even you seem to know that. They are therefore not being suspended arbitrarily. I'm not sure why you have a problem with the league enforcing the rules on your team exactly the same way they've been enforced against every other team for ten years. Saying that you disliked it all along doesn't give you immunity. You need to try to understand that NBA players are made aware of this rule all the time and Amare and Diaw broke that rule. I'd like to see them not be suspended too, but there's just no way that was going to be possible.


if only the league would enforce fouls in like manner.

29 to 14? rofl.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

For those of you who disagree with the rule, some questions:

1) Why
2) How would you amend it?
3) What do you see as the benefits and/ or risk that would come with the change?

1) Because it's inflexible wording does not allow the NBA to view situations on a case by case fairness, and its meaning has been skewed so that players are punished unfairly.

2) Change the wording to "any player that escalates an altercation shall be dealt with as the league sees fit".

3) This way the league can view each situation as an individual situation and not have their hand forced by set-in-stone rules.

[Obstructed_View]

For those of you who disagree with the rule, some questions:

1) Why
2) How would you amend it?
3) What do you see as the benefits and/ or risk that would come with the change?
The Suns fans weren't disagreeing with the rule when they were trying to get Duncan and Bowen suspended, they are just disagreeing with it when their players get tagged for it.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

The rule was broken. They broke the rule. The rule states a one game suspension if you break it. The fact that you disagree with a rule doesn't give you the right to break it.

The rule is stupid. The league should have sacked up, admitted they were wrong, and admit that suspensions to Diaw/Stoudemire would not fit in with the original intent of the rule.

[violentkitten]

4. require invisible fence dog collars for all players on the suns bench as that apparently is the only way they will stay there when a fight breaks out on the court.

[Extra Stout]

For those of you who disagree with the rule, some questions:

1) Why
2) How would you amend it?
3) What do you see as the benefits and/ or risk that would come with the change?

1) It is too rigid.

2) Give the league more latitude in deciding whether to suspend players for leaving the bench, or merely to fine them.

3) The benefit would be that the league would be better able to take into consideration the circumstances of each incident, and mete out punishment accordingly. Another benefit is that the newfound incentive to take a cheap shot at an opposing player in hopes of baiting his teammates to come off the bench and get suspended would be eliminated.

One risk would be that the league could be accused of playing favorites if it is not consistent. Another risk would be that some hothead presses his luck thinking he won't get punished too badly, and escalates an altercation into something ugly.

I think the benefits outweigh the risks.

[Obstructed_View]

1) Because it's inflexible wording does not allow the NBA to view situations on a case by case fairness, and its meaning has been skewed so that players are punished unfairly.

2) Change the wording to "any player that escalates an altercation shall be dealt with as the league sees fit".

3) This way the league can view each situation as an individual situation and not have their hand forced by set-in-stone rules.
You kind of have half of it figured out. You understand that it's a very clear rule, yet you don't want your team to have to suffer for breaking it.

[violentkitten]

The rule is stupid. The league should have sacked up, admitted they were wrong, and admit that suspensions to Diaw/Stoudemire would not fit in with the original intent of the rule.

lmao. 'the league shouldn't enforce a rule that has been consistently applied for the past decade when it hurts my team.' damn, stop whining.

[ChumpDumper]

Yall must be dense. The rule is stupid.No, you are definitely dense. If the rule is stupid, why didn't I hear you ranting about it the past decade before your players were stupid enough to break it?

[violentkitten]

all it would take is the rule being repealed and a future benches clearing brawl resulting in a knee injury to Stoudemire to change whiney's tune. better yet, who would whiney blame if stoudemire had left the bench to protect his girlfriend nash's honor and ended up with a season ending and/or career threatening injury? the rule was created to reduce the potential for that kind of thing.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

No, you are definitely dense. If the rule is stupid, why didn't I hear you ranting about it the past decade before your players were stupid enough to break it?

Because I didn't post here in 1997?

[Obstructed_View]

The rule is stupid. The league should have sacked up, admitted they were wrong, and admit that suspensions to Diaw/Stoudemire would not fit in with the original intent of the rule.
The rule is the rule. The league would never admit anything of the kind, because the suspensions to Diaw/Stoudamire fit in exactly with the original intent of the rule. You are not to leave the bench during an altercation. Period. Amare and Diaw did exactly that. Their intent is not relevant, and the NBA made sure that everyone understands that. For some reason, you feel the need for special treatment. Somehow, your team is above the rules and you shouldn't have to follow them just because you think it's "stupid".

You should sack up, admit you are wrong, and that your team should have known the rules of the game and been aware of the situation.

[angel_luv]

As for the rule, I think players should not be allowed to leave the bench and if they do, should be suspended every time in every circumstance, regardless of the escalation level.

Fines don't bother players... being kept out of the games does.
You want to get their attention, suspension is how you do it.

Anyone without the self control to stay at the bench when not in or on way in the game, doesn't deserve to play.

[ChumpDumper]

Because I didn't post here in 1997?But you made petitions, wrote the league, picketed games -- right?

[Obstructed_View]

No, you are definitely dense. If the rule is stupid, why didn't I hear you ranting about it the past decade before your players were stupid enough to break it?
Because it didn't matter to him until his players got suspended. But he hates the rule retroactively to the time it was instituted.

[violentkitten]

sun fan is all for 'subjective interpretations' now considering that horry got 2 games for a flagrant 2 when the opposing player saw him in front of him and ran into him anyways while davis got no suspension for his flagrant 2 on fisher. funny how in both cases the star ended up getting the best of it. institute an ironclad rule that makes no distinction between star and sean marks and suddenly we have a major problem in the game. lmao. suck it up.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

The rule is the rule. The league would never admit anything of the kind, because the suspensions to Diaw/Stoudamire fit in exactly with the original intent of the rule. You are not to leave the bench during an altercation. Period. Amare and Diaw did exactly that. Their intent is not relevant, and the NBA made sure that everyone understands that. For some reason, you feel the need for special treatment. Somehow, your team is above the rules and you shouldn't have to follow them just because you think it's "stupid".

You should sack up, admit you are wrong, and that your team should have known the rules of the game and been aware of the situation.

Once again, stop bringing this "my team" business into the whole argument. This rule fucked the Knicks over and it fucked the Suns over too. Both times it wasn't right, and it has nothing to do with me suddenly getting pissed just because the Suns are the ones at the receiving end this time around.

The intent of the rule was to prevent bench clearing brawls and to stop fights from escalating. Neither Diaw or Stoudemire did anything to escalate the altercation (it wasn't really a fight) and therefore they should not be punished.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

But you made petitions, wrote the league, picketed games -- right?

Nope. And I'm not writing petitions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email. What's the point? The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007.

[T Park]

god, i have to put on friggen waders to get through the river of tears phoenix fan is crying.

christ grow a pair.

[violentkitten]

when you have a fight on the floor it's probably best that there are fewer players involved. the knicks and suns were screwed over by the fact their players were unable to refrain going onto the court when they were not supposed to. fuck interpretations that protect stars when they can't follow a basic rule.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope. And I'm not writing petitions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email.You're a regular Norma Rae.

[T Park]

Nope. And I'm not writing petitions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email. What's the point? The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007.

Your not very set in your convictions obviously.

[Obstructed_View]

Once again, stop bringing this "my team" business into the whole argument. This rule fucked the Knicks over and it fucked the Suns over too. Both times it wasn't right, and it has nothing to do with me suddenly getting pissed just because the Suns are the ones at the receiving end this time around.

The intent of the rule was to prevent bench clearing brawls and to stop fights from escalating. Neither Diaw or Stoudemire did anything to escalate the altercation (it wasn't really a fight) and therefore they should not be punished.
Amare. Knows. The. Rule.

Amare. Broke. The. Rule.

It. Doesn't. Matter. If. The. Rule. Is. Stupid.

Mandatory. Suspension.

[T Park]

You're a regular Norma Rae.

wasn't she the one that petition congress to make thanksgiving a holiday.

[ChumpDumper]

wasn't she the one that petition congress to make thanksgiving a holiday.Ahhhhhhhhh.

No.

[T Park]

missed it by that much...

[OldDirtMcGirt]

You're a regular Norma Rae.

Fight the Power!


http://www.newsic.it/assets/images3/fo_in_pe_g.jpg

[Obstructed_View]

And just for your information, Suns homer: The NBA changed the rule that screwed the Knicks allowing for a guy to just stand up as long as he stays in the area. Amare shattered that one when he darted right toward Horry.

[ChumpDumper]

Fight the Power!Except when it involves looking up an email address.

[Obstructed_View]

The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007, but I didn't care about it until this afternoon, and my team should get to play by a different set of rules because fast break basketball is AWESOME.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Amare. Knows. The. Rule.

Amare. Broke. The. Rule.

It. Doesn't. Matter. If. The. Rule. Is. Stupid.

Mandatory. Suspension.try braille, maybe then he'll get it

[Extra Stout]

*Sigh*

You know, I'm not sure there is any tweak they could do to that rule that would have kept Amare from getting suspended. Diaw took a few steps, thought better of it, and turned back. In a perfect world, he doesn't get punished.

Amare was about to go all Stephen Jackson if not for his assistant coach bear-hugging him.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Except when it involves looking up an email address.

I didn't even have email in '97.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm going to try that the next time I get pulled over. "Speeding laws are stupid. I thought so even before you pulled me over. You should totally let me off with a warning."

[cherylsteele]

Nope. And I'm not writing petitions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email. What's the point? The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007.
Couldn't afford a stamp?
Could have gone to a local library to use email.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I know that what Diaw and Stoudemire did had absolutely nothing to do with the fight and that the intent of the rule has been clearly perverted, but I'm too afraid of a Suns team at full strength so I need Sugar Daddy David Stern to bail my ass out.

[L.I.T]

Hypothetical: The rule is designed to prevent escalating altercations into full-scale brawls. In this instance, isn't it abundantly clear that the rule worked? Without the assistant coaches getting involved, what do you think Amare and Diaw would have done? Reviewing the pictures and Amare's reaction it's fairly clear he wanted to get involved. Based on his intent, the rule did it's job.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I'm going to try that the next time I get pulled over. "Speeding laws are stupid. I thought so even before you pulled me over. You should totally let me off with a warning."

Rosa Parks deserved to be arrested because she was breaking the law.

See, both this and your analogy are fucking stupid and have nothing to do with basketball.

[ChumpDumper]

try braille, maybe then he'll get it
Here is is in semaphore. (http://inter.scoutnet.org/cgi-bin/semaphore?text=don%27t+leave+the+bench+area&font=font0)

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't even have email in '97.I don't care how poor you are.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I don't care how poor you are.

Why did you think I was fighting the power? :p:

[MaNuMaNiAc]

you do notice that the rule is there to PREVENT brawls! as in to keep from occurring; avert; hinder: He intervened to prevent bloodshed, to act ahead of, to precede, to anticipate! Amare didn't need to get involved in order to get suspended, the rule is there to prevent his ass from leaving the bench so he CAN'T get involved in the first place!!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Here is is in semaphore. (http://inter.scoutnet.org/cgi-bin/semaphore?text=don%27t+leave+the+bench+area&font=font0):lol

[OldDirtMcGirt]

you do notice that the rule is there to PREVENT brawls! as in to keep from occurring; avert; hinder: He intervened to prevent bloodshed, to act ahead of, to precede, to anticipate! Amare didn't need to get involved in order to get suspended, the rule is there to prevent his ass from leaving the bench so he CAN'T get involved in the first place!!

Yeah, but who's to say the he would've escalated the situation? Diaw defintely did it, he reacted suddenly and then pulled right back, but it seems pretty logical to me that assisstant coaches would've restrained STAT (even though he really didn't need to be restrained that much) the same way if there wasn't a rule. Because if he actually, you know, did anything, then the league would have (and should have) dropped the hammer on him.

[Leetonidas]

-Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.

If your proud to have a person like Robert Horry on your team, shame on you. I'll be honest, I was dissapointed Raja Bell stooped to Kobe Bryant's level last year.

Um, if you really think Amare and Boris were going out there to calm the situation, something is wrong with you. Tim and Bowen didn't "run onto the court after a hard foul call" either. Elson fell and Tim stepped into the three point area and Bruce pulled him back. The difference is, the rule defines coming onto the court during an altercation an auto-suspension, and Elson falling on the floor wasn't an altercation.

Take off the homer goggles dude. Amare was trying to start shit.

[violentkitten]

Rosa Parks deserved to be arrested because she was breaking the law.

See, both this and your analogy are fucking stupid and have nothing to do with basketball.


suddenly, a guy pulling down multi-seven figures for playing a game annually is a poor black woman in 1950s alabama arrested for breaking a segregationist law.

you are one pathetic mofo.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, but who's to say the he would've escalated the situation?Who's to say he wouldn't have?

Maybe he should email the league his intent before he leaves the bench and then waited for approval. I know he's rich enough to have email.

[Obstructed_View]

Rosa Parks deserved to be arrested because she was breaking the law.

See, both this and your analogy are fucking stupid and have nothing to do with basketball.
So Amare is a civil rights leader now?

I belive Martin Luther King said it best:

"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. One who accidentally breaks the law and then complains when he gets arrested is just a dumb little bitch."

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, but who's to say the he would've escalated the situation? Diaw defintely did it, he reacted suddenly and then pulled right back, but it seems pretty logical to me that assisstant coaches would've restrained STAT (even though he really didn't need to be restrained that much) the same way if there wasn't a rule. Because if he actually, you know, did anything, then the league would have (and should have) dropped the hammer on him.
But he did do something. He broke a rule that's just as valid as any other NBA rule.

Somehow I think that if Amare had gone in and put a Kermit Washington on Horry you'd be saying it was justified because Horry started it.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yeah, but who's to say the he would've escalated the situation? Diaw defintely did it, he reacted suddenly and then pulled right back, but it seems pretty logical to me that assisstant coaches would've restrained STAT (even though he really didn't need to be restrained that much) the same way if there wasn't a rule. Because if he actually, you know, did anything, then the league would have (and should have) dropped the hammer on him.thats the whole point of the rule, to eliminate the "who's to say" scenario bro. Why leave things to chance when you can effectively cut the problem at the source. Lets face it, Amare wasn't going out there to advocate holding hands and sing Kumbaya bro. Diaw turned back that is true, but Amare didn't, and that is why they shouldn't even have left the bench in the first place.

[violentkitten]

Free at last. Free at last. One day we'll thank God Almighty we're free at last to leave this bench.?

so does trolling make one stupid or do only the stupid troll?

[Obstructed_View]

Nothing like a good ignorant troll to bring us all together. I don't think we've been this much in agreement on anything ever. :lmao

[Leetonidas]

Sun Fan, get it through your fucking head.

It does not matter if you think the rule is stupid, it does not matter if Amare and Diaw didn't escalate the situation. THEY BROKE THE RULE. Plain and fucking simple. All your bitching isn't going to change it. They had no business leaving the bench and Amare and Diaw are morons for doing it. They broke the rule, and they will do their time.

Once again;

IT'S A RULE. THEY BROKE IT. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

Just because you think a rule is stupid doesn't mean it shouldn't be enforced. You think an officer is going to let you off a speeding ticket because you tell him you weren't trying to escalate any danger and you just wanted to get home so you could shit? Don't think so. Take off the homer goggles.

[Phill11]

and nash chose to drive right at horry with no room between him and the sideline.

difference is, there was no altercation. a player goes to the ground hard and his teammates come off the bench to see if he's alright. that is no subject to the rule. which, of course, is why they were not suspended.

stoudemire and bell weren't responding just to nash lying on the ground playing dead but rather to bell trying to start something with horry. altercation. suspension. fairly clear.

rofl

a sun fan thinks?

Nash caught the inbound and tried to dribble to his left, Finley was guarding there, so I tried to make a move to his right and Horry was there.

Hypothetical question: What if say Tim Duncan caught the in-bound and Amare was there waiting to shoulder him to the sidelines and did so. Your telling me you'd want say Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker suspended for standing up for their team leader.

If anyone on the Suns was trying to stir the pot it was Bell and Nash. Bell had his choice words he said and Nash got up and was ready to fight. Look at the pictures.

The only flopping Nash did was throwing his arms in the air... But in no way does that compare to the flop jobs done by both Manu Ginobli and Raja Bell. Nash got fouled hard and fell over and acted a bit. Those two get poked and fall over.

I think the Spurs may be asking for it next game though, not a hard foul, but a more intense play. When Raja was suspended last year, it lit a flame under the Suns. Amare being suspended and this whole controversy around the series will really get them going. Game 5 should be intresting...

[ChumpDumper]

Hypothetical question: What if say Tim Duncan caught the in-bound and Amare was there waiting to shoulder him to the sidelines and did so. Your telling me you'd want say Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker suspended for standing up for their team leader.Not if they were on the bench. There are four other guys out there already. Why do sunfans forget that?

[ducks]

David Stern Was Headed To Az
Tell This Happened
He Did Not Think It Would Be Safe

[violentkitten]

I think the Spurs may be asking for it next game though, not a hard foul, but a more intense play. When Raja was suspended last year, it lit a flame under the Suns. Amare being suspended and this whole controversy around the series will really get them going. Game 5 should be intresting...


i expect bell to do something incredibly stupid in game 5.

[Obstructed_View]

Hypothetical question: What if say Tim Duncan caught the in-bound and Amare was there waiting to shoulder him to the sidelines and did so. Your telling me you'd want say Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker suspended for standing up for their team leader.
I presume you mean that Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker are on the bench at this point? If they left the bench area, I would absolutely not want them to be suspended. And once they were suspended I would know exactly why they were suspended. I would be mad that they were stupid enough to break such a clear rule at such a critical time in the season.

That's just me though. I don't accuse people of cheating when my team loses. I'm on record saying I hoped Amare and Diaw wouldn't get suspended, even though it seemed like there was no way to avoid it, since the rule is so crystal clear.

[kps0001]

Take off the homer goggles dude. Amare was trying to start shit.


huh...so now Spurs fans are gonna argue intent here?...the fucking irony of this and the whole series is great.

I really hope the Suns win tomorrow and then wrap it up on SA's home court. No better way to say "IN YO FACE".

[LilMissSPURfect]

i expect bell to do something incredibly stupid AGAIN in game 5.

[T Park]

are suns fans gonna yell at every foul tommarow night saying "thinking that thats a foul is dumb"

[T Park]

Let Bell do something incredibly stupid and get suspended for game 6.

Go ahead.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

suddenly, a guy pulling down multi-seven figures for playing a game annually is a poor black woman in 1950s alabama arrested for breaking a segregationist law.

you are one pathetic mofo.

Just like a guy taking two steps onto the court is analogous to a speeding violation. Oh wait, they're two completely different things that have shit all in common. I was merely pointing out that comparing the NBA to any civil laws is purely idiotic. No disrespect to Rosa Parks obviously.

[Strike]

So Amare is a civil rights leader now?

I belive Martin Luther King said it best:

"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.
One who accidentally breaks the law and then complains when he gets arrested is just a dumb little bitch."

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3632/ilikeit9kn.jpg

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I presume you mean that Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker are on the bench at this point? If they left the bench area, I would absolutely not want them to be suspended. And once they were suspended I would know exactly why they were suspended. I would be mad that they were stupid enough to break such a clear rule at such a critical time in the season.

That's just me though. I don't accuse people of cheating when my team loses. I'm on record saying I hoped Amare and Diaw wouldn't get suspended, even though it seemed like there was no way to avoid it, since the rule is so crystal clear.

I'm not saying that Stoudemire wasn't clearly breaking the rule (Diaw is another story, I'm not sure if what he did really constitutes leaving the "direct vicinity"). I'm just saying that it was unfair that they were suspended because the rule is stupid. Obviously it was the correct call under the current rule, but I think that especially in the NBA that fairness should trump legality.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Nothing like a good ignorant troll to bring us all together. I don't think we've been this much in agreement on anything ever. :lmao

Just glad I could help! :p:

[Phill11]

I presume you mean that Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker are on the bench at this point? If they left the bench area, I would absolutely not want them to be suspended. And once they were suspended I would know exactly why they were suspended. I would be mad that they were stupid enough to break such a clear rule at such a critical time in the season.

That's just me though. I don't accuse people of cheating when my team loses. I'm on record saying I hoped Amare and Diaw wouldn't get suspended, even though it seemed like there was no way to avoid it, since the rule is so crystal clear.

It's easier said than done. Sure the rule is "crystal clear" but your players sure did damn near cross the line that Amare and Diaw "crossed". The circumstances were different.

Our MVP was checked almost into the stands. Sure no altercation had happened yet during the Duncan/Bowen incident, but to suspend two key players in a heated time, especially when the Suns team as a whole has been pounded by the Spurs this series, is a little crazy if you ask me.

I understand rules are rules, but there some key factors of this.

Horry's hard foul was intentional, every knows it. The NBA is rewarding the Spurs for his hard foul too. Basically he traded a technical foul and a bench player(albeit a key one) for two games for the difference maker in the series...

If the NBA is looking for more cheap shots and hard fouls, they've just opened up another can of worms with their rulings today. They just proved that playing dirty may be the only way to actually win.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm not saying that Stoudemire wasn't clearly breaking the rule (Diaw is another story, I'm not sure if what he did really constitutes leaving the "direct vicinity"). I'm just saying that it was unfair that they were suspended because the rule is stupid. Obviously it was the correct call under the current rule, but I think that especially in the NBA that fairness should trump legality.basically, what you're saying is you want the NBA to be more arbitrary

[Obstructed_View]

huh...so now Spurs fans are gonna argue intent here?...the fucking irony of this and the whole series is great.

I really hope the Suns win tomorrow and then wrap it up on SA's home court. No better way to say "IN YO FACE".
Yep. Wins are better than anything else. Of course, you'll be in here making excuses if the Spurs win, right?

[ChumpDumper]

I understand rules are rulesNo, you really don't.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

basically, what you're saying is you want the NBA to be more arbitrary

No, totally opposite. I want the NBA to interpret and adapt all of their rules to the current situation. That way it avoids these kinds of situations and promotes accountability, because the league can't just cop out and say, "my hands are tied".

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Horry's hard foul was intentional, every knows it. The NBA is rewarding the Spurs for his hard foul too. Basically he traded a technical foul and a bench player(albeit a key one) for two games for the difference maker in the series...

Horry didn't trade anything!! Amare and Diaw are the ONLY ones to blame for their suspension!!

[Phill11]

No, you really don't.

Yes I do. I understand why the commisioner suspended Amare, Bowen and Diaw. Do I agree with it? No. Does that mean I don't understand that rules are rules, no it doesn't.

[L.I.T]

No, totally opposite. I want the NBA to interpret and adapt all of their rules to the current situation. That way it avoids these kinds of situations and promotes accountability, because the league can't just cop out and say, "my hands are tied".

You do realize how insane your argument is right? Let's change the rules to fit each incident and apply them differently and that's how we'll have accountability?
:lmao

[MaNuMaNiAc]

No, totally opposite. I want the NBA to interpret and adapt all of their rules to the current situation. That way it avoids these kinds of situations and promotes accountability, because the league can't just cop out and say, "my hands are tied".ar·bi·trar·y - decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute

[ChumpDumper]

Yes I do. I understand why the commisioner suspended Amare, Bowen and Diaw. Do I agree with it? No. Does that mean I don't understand that rules are rules, no it doesn't.Ok, you just don't agree when it affects your team. That's fine.

[violentkitten]

No, totally opposite. I want the NBA to interpret and adapt all of their rules to the current situation. That way it avoids these kinds of situations and promotes accountability, because the league can't just cop out and say, "my hands are tied".

accountability is promoted when a rule is applied to all equally. what you want is for stars to be protected when they do what they know they are not supposed to do.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

accountability is promoted when a rule is applied to all equally. what you want is for stars to be protected when they do what they know they are not supposed to do.

No I don't. I want the league to view everything within the context that it occured and make a judgement based on what happened.

[L.I.T]

No I don't. I want the league to view everything within the context that it occured and make a judgement based on what happened.

So basically, make judgment calls and regulate intent, you don't think that won't open up a whole can of worms?

[Phill11]

Ok, you just don't agree when it affects your team. That's fine.

No, not true either. Another instance in which your assuming.

If a team cheapshots another player and two players run onto the court, to then seconds later stop themselves, those players should not be suspended.

Even if it were Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen(as much as I hate him), I wouldn't want them suspended. That's not only a lame way to make the series lopsided, but it's also suspending a person for using natural reactions. Boris Diaw caught himself after 5-6 steps..

[MaNuMaNiAc]

No, not true either. Another instance in which your assuming.

If a team cheapshots another player and two players run onto the court, to then seconds later stop themselves, those players should not be suspended.
Newsflash! Amare didn't STOP, he was STOPPED! there is a difference


Even if it were Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen(as much as I hate him), I wouldn't want them suspended. That's not only a lame way to make the series lopsided, but it's also suspending a person for using natural reactions. Boris Diaw caught himself after 5-6 steps..what?? violence is a natural reaction for some, should they not be punished then? what the hell are you talking about!?

[OldDirtMcGirt]

So basically, make judgment calls and regulate intent, you don't think that won't open up a whole can of worms?

Considering that's what the NBA does in most every other incident, then no I don't. It's not like they have a set amount of games per infraction, for the most the league views it and determines whether or not the play in question was worthy of a suspension. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Behrooz24]

No I don't. I want the league to view everything within the context that it occured and make a judgement based on what happened.


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[mxschools258]

None of the spurs players left the bench cause they all had there thumbs up there ass. Cause they got there heart ripped right out of them on game 4! Look at your lump of shit with ears TIM "THE QUEER" DUNCAN

GO SUNS :fro

[violentkitten]

No, not true either. Another instance in which your assuming.

If a team cheapshots another player


and a player on your team starts a fight, which leads to




two players run onto the court, to then seconds later stop themselves, those players should


be suspended, per league rules.

[Obstructed_View]

It's easier said than done. Sure the rule is "crystal clear" but your players sure did damn near cross the line that Amare and Diaw "crossed". The circumstances were different.
No, actually Tim Duncan crossed the same line. The NBA ruled that there was no altercation. Had they ruled the other way, Timmy would be sitting. It was completely stupid of him to do what he did. I'm sure Bowen told him that and the Spurs may have gotten an extra warning not to react to sitiuations like that, which may very well have saved them after the Horry foul. Again, Timmy dodged a big bullet with that one.


Our MVP was checked almost into the stands. Sure no altercation had happened yet during the Duncan/Bowen incident, but to suspend two key players in a heated time, especially when the Suns team as a whole has been pounded by the Spurs this series, is a little crazy if you ask me.
What's crazy is the amount of effort you put into trying to make the whole thing look overly dramatic. The Suns haven't come close to being pounded. Fortunately you have no idea what it's like to have your players pounded on for an entire series. This series is a square dance compared to the Denver series. Your MVP was hard fouled, which cost the dumbass that did it two games. Your two dumbasses got a game apiece. It's on them. Period.


I understand rules are rules, but there some key factors of this.
No, there aren't. You can't say that you understand that rules are rules, and then say "but". Either you think the rules should be followed or you don't. If you don't, then you think your team should get to play by a completely different set of rules simply by virtue of the fact that you root for them. Forgive the rest of the world for calling shenanigans on that attitude.


Horry's hard foul was intentional
Opinion


every (body) knows it.
False.


The NBA is rewarding the Spurs for his hard foul too.
The NBA is suspending Amare and Diaw for breaking the rule about leaving the bench.


Basically he traded a technical foul and a bench player(albeit a key one) for two games for the difference maker in the series...
Basically he cost the Spurs any chance of taking a 3-1 lead in the series and gave home court back to the Suns. Amare and Diaw chose to leave the bench. Personally, I'd much rather have three chances to close out the complete Suns team than have to try to win 2 out of three without home court.


If the NBA is looking for more cheap shots and hard fouls, they've just opened up another can of worms with their rulings today. They just proved that playing dirty may be the only way to actually win.
Horry made the first dirty play of the series and it cost the Spurs the game. The Spurs have played dirtier teams than the Suns could ever hope to be and won. If you think that's the way to beat the Spurs, you are sorely mistaken. The sooner some of you accept the actions of your players for the situation you're in, the better off you'll be.

[ChumpDumper]

No, not true either. Another instance in which your assuming.

If a team cheapshots another player and two players run onto the court, to then seconds later stop themselves, those players should not be suspended.That's not what the rule states. Funny how sunfans never had a problem with this rule for ten years until it affected their team.

[Obstructed_View]

None of the spurs players left the bench cause they all know the NBA rules.
FIFY

[L.I.T]

Considering that's what the NBA does in most every other incident, then no I don't. It's not like they have a set amount of games per infraction, for the most the league views it and determines whether or not the play in question was worthy of a suspension. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Ooook, I'm thinking about which other incidents you are referring to. Let's say, attacking a fan? Or kicking a photographer in the nads? Yah, those are incidents without defined punishments...thus a judgment call on the length of suspension.

In this case, there is a defined rule with a defined punishment that every player, coach, trainer, waterboy and video tape bitch is aware of. Basically, what you're advocating is the abolishment of all existing rules for infractions and allowing the league to regulate however they deem fit without players and coaches having any guidelines under which to act?

Cool.

[kyle macy]

No, actually Tim Duncan crossed the same line. The NBA ruled that there was no altercation. Had they ruled the other way, Timmy would be sitting. It was completely stupid of him to do what he did. I'm sure Bowen told him that and the Spurs may have gotten an extra warning not to react to sitiuations like that, which may very well have saved them after the Horry foul. Again, Timmy dodged a big bullet with that one.


What's crazy is the amount of effort you put into trying to make the whole thing look overly dramatic. The Suns haven't come close to being pounded. Fortunately you have no idea what it's like to have your players pounded on for an entire series. This series is a square dance compared to the Denver series. Your MVP was hard fouled, which cost the dumbass that did it two games. Your two dumbasses got a game apiece. It's on them. Period.


No, there aren't. You can't say that you understand that rules are rules, and then say "but". Either you think the rules should be followed or you don't. If you don't, then you think your team should get to play by a completely different set of rules simply by virtue of the fact that you root for them. Forgive the rest of the world for calling shenanigans on that attitude.


Opinion


False.


The NBA is suspending Amare and Diaw for breaking the rule about leaving the bench.


Basically he cost the Spurs any chance of taking a 3-1 lead in the series and gave home court back to the Suns. Amare and Diaw chose to leave the bench. Personally, I'd much rather have three chances to close out the complete Suns team than have to try to win 2 out of three without home court.


Horry made the first dirty play of the series and it cost the Spurs the game. The Spurs have played dirtier teams than the Suns could ever hope to be and won. If you think that's the way to beat the Spurs, you are sorely mistaken. The sooner some of you accept the actions of your players for the situation you're in, the better off you'll be.


Nice post, everything you have said is unfortunately for Suns fans, true. I would have to say that Horry's foul was intentional, the result may not have been. That would be the only point I disagree with you on. It's a shame that this series has come to all this B.S. between the teams and the fans when perhaps the top two teams in the NBA are playing the best series this round and perhaps the rest of the playoffs.

[Obstructed_View]

If a team cheapshots another player and two players run onto the court, to then seconds later stop themselves, those players should not be suspended.
Yes they should. And they were. And they always have been. And until the rule is changed, they always will be.


Even if it were Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen(as much as I hate him), I wouldn't want them suspended. That's not only a lame way to make the series lopsided, but it's also suspending a person for using natural reactions. Boris Diaw caught himself after 5-6 steps..
Yeah, right. You'd be jumping for joy. Diaw should have caught himself before the first step. In addition, the coaching staff should have been more worried about keeping the guys on the bench instead of rushing to Nash. I won't go so far as to say that Horry suckered the Suns, but they certainly seemed ripe for it.

[mxschools258]

DIAW WAS GOING TO SAVE HIS LIL PRETTY BOY PARKER THAT WAS HIS REASON FOR BEING ON THE FLOOR! Now he can rub up on eva while your lil cheaters are running around kicking go-nads

[Obstructed_View]

Nice post, everything you have said is unfortunately for Suns fans, true. I would have to say that Horry's foul was intentional, the result may not have been. That would be the only point I disagree with you on. It's a shame that this series has come to all this B.S. between the teams and the fans when perhaps the top two teams in the NBA are playing the best series this round and perhaps the rest of the playoffs.
I didn't say Horry's foul wasn't intentional, but I took issue with someone stating their opinion as a clear undeniable fact that the league should have taken into account. I think perhaps the fact that he left without talking to the media is an indication that it might have indeed been a frustration foul. Why he would be frustrated I have no idea. It's also possible that he screwed up, cost his team the game, and was disgusted with himself for it. I don't know, and so far, neither does anyone else. If the game had been decided when he did it I'd be more likely to think it was overt. As it stood, it was the final nail in the Spurs' coffin and it's all on him.

[Phill11]

Newsflash! Amare didn't STOP, he was STOPPED! there is a difference

what?? violence is a natural reaction for some, should they not be punished then? what the hell are you talking about!?

Violence? I didn't the Suns throw any fists or anything. Only violence came from your side....

[judaspriestess]

None of the spurs players left the bench cause they all had there thumbs up there ass. Cause they got there heart ripped right out of them on game 4! Look at your lump of shit with ears TIM "THE QUEER" DUNCAN

GO SUNS :fro

how old are these trolls. this is so fucking juvenile. I had no idea there were so many guys in phoenix with small penis complex

[E20]

Violence? I didn't the Suns throw any fists or anything. Only violence came from your side....
LMAO Raja Bell. Amare+Diaw running at Horry then being pushed back by 5 coaches. Homer glasses.

[Que Gee]

Word out of PHX, bomb threat at the Spurs hotel.

[Obstructed_View]

The hotel is tainted now.

[1SUNSFAN]

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Is this the TRAMP STAMP that Parker has tatooed on his lower back so that Duncan can review it whenever he's doing Tony in the ass? No wonder no Spurs left the bench... they all have had their turns with Tony! :lmao

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Is this the TRAMP STAMP that Parker has tatooed on his lower back so that Duncan can review it whenever he's doing Tony in the ass? No wonder no Spurs left the bench... they all have had their turns with Tony! :lmao

Maybe Nash should have had it on his back so Amare could've seen it.

[Obstructed_View]

Can he read?

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Can he read?
Good point.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Ooook, I'm thinking about which other incidents you are referring to. Let's say, attacking a fan? Or kicking a photographer in the nads? Yah, those are incidents without defined punishments...thus a judgment call on the length of suspension.

In this case, there is a defined rule with a defined punishment that every player, coach, trainer, waterboy and video tape bitch is aware of. Basically, what you're advocating is the abolishment of all existing rules for infractions and allowing the league to regulate however they deem fit without players and coaches having any guidelines under which to act?

Cool.

I believe that with the Nuggets/Knicks fight earlier in the year, the league looked at everybody involved and handed out suspensions accordingly.

The key word here is guidelines. I do want players and coaches to have guidelines under which to act, but not hard and fast rules that aren't open to interpretation.

[sammy]

What would you do?? Take a couple of steps in support of your teammate or sit on the bench???

You sit your ass on the bench so you don't cost your team your presence! The refs were getting under control, but they lost their head and rushed onto the court! They knew the rules, but were such dumbasses that they cost their team!

[sammy]

Can he read?


No he has the brains of a pea! :lol

[word]

The hotel is tainted now.

They'll need taintbusters !!

[spurdude]

:elephant
Isn't life great! We get to play the Phoenix Suns with 1 arm tied behind their backs thanks to our buddy David Stern. If you ever wondered why we get away with so much, you have to know we have dirt on the commissioner. I love being a Spurs Fan!!!! We get away with sooooooooooooooooooooo much! Phoenix is melting tonight because they don't understand. Thank you David Stern. :elephant

[Despot]

Wow, reading their forums......I honestly think that some of them would do what they are saying.....

[MaNuMaNiAc]

:elephant
Isn't life great! We get to play the Phoenix Suns with 1 arm tied behind their backs thanks to our buddy David Stern. If you ever wondered why we get away with so much, you have to know we have dirt on the commissioner. I love being a Spurs Fan!!!! We get away with sooooooooooooooooooooo much! Phoenix is melting tonight because they don't understand. Thank you David Stern. :elephantsuns fan in disguise? drop dead bitch

[L.I.T]

Goddamn the Suns trolls suck.

[cherylsteele]

No, totally opposite. I want the NBA to interpret and adapt all of their rules to the current situation. That way it avoids these kinds of situations and promotes accountability, because the league can't just cop out and say, "my hands are tied".
They did interpret the rule for the situation, that is why Amare and Diaw got suspended and Tim and Bowen did not.

[LilMissSPURfect]

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[BILLYE]

No, because they enforced an absolutely moronic rule that makes no sense to the detriment of our team when they were the non-aggressor in the altercation.


If nothing had happened, you wouldnt care about the rule right now would you?

By the way, if the Suns are better than the Spurs like you guys keep saying, then what in the hell are you worried about with the suspensions? if your team is better, they will find a way to win....this series is not tainted by any means....the rules were broken and consequences were enforced...consequences that have been CONSISTENTLY enforced i might add...try some objectivity for once

[ATXSPUR]

Oh I what I wouldnt do to see the players as whiny at tonights game as their fans are right now.

I really hope the players cry tonight as much as you guys do.