Two Asterisks

[Stargazer]

I don't get it -- how does barely squeaking out a win against a team at half strength somehow take away the asterisk? Maybe if the Spurs had won by 50, everyone could agree that Amare wouldn't have made the difference. But there is no room to doubt that the Suns would have won this game with a full team.

Sorry guys, champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win -- not by squeaking out the games you can't lose.

[Josh810]

And you know about champions how?

[sabar]

Is that you Phil Jackson?

[Strike]

So with Phoenix up 16 in the 2nd quarter, does that mean that they shouldn't have held the lead simply because they were short 2 players?

Dolt.

[Obstructed_View]

Hey, the Suns would have won game 1 if Nash had been allowed to play with his nose gushing blood, and they would have won tonight if the NBA hadn't enforced the rules. Does that make the Suns the virtual western conference finalists of wouldacouldashouldaworld?

Get to work on the T shirts.

And go home and get your fuckin' shine box.

[VinnyTestesVerde]

I don't get it -- how does barely squeaking out a win against a team at half strength somehow take away the asterisk? Maybe if the Spurs had won by 50, everyone could agree that Amare wouldn't have made the difference. But there is no room to doubt that the Suns would have won this game with a full team.

Sorry guys, champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win -- not by squeaking out the games you can't lose.

Not sure Spurs fans should take advice from Suns fans on what it takes to be a champion... :rolleyes

[sabar]

If the Suns lose, they will hold onto the asterisk excuse like the Mavs hold onto their Western Conference Champions t-shirts.

[whottt]

Did the Spurs, or did they not, already beat Phoenix twice in this series with both of those players healthy, to take a 2-1 lead? Including once in Phoenix?

Hell....I'm actually at the point now where I'd prefer them over Kurt Thomas...who is proving to be a grade A pain in the ass in this series.

They don't gurantee victory...

If Horry had played tonight he would have Horry'd the Suns...so there.

[jaffies]

Sorry guys, champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win


which team are you referring to?

[Strike]

Not sure Spurs fans should take advice from Suns fans on what it takes to be a champion... :rolleyes

off topic but what does your avatar say?

I used to work for Alberstons and after they laid me off, corporate lied to the state and got my unemployment denied.

Fuckin hate the company.

[AZSportsFan]

Again with the asterisks thing. Cmon, bro, as Suns fans what good does it do us to talk about asterisks. I'll take 10 asterisks, thank you.

[dg7md]

If the Suns lose, they will hold onto the asterisk excuse like the Mavs hold onto their Western Conference Champions t-shirts.

:lol

I live in Dallas and see people wearing those all the time! :drunk

[rwb]

I don't get it -- how does barely squeaking out a win against a team at half strength somehow take away the asterisk?

Hmm...the Suns were missing two players, so if that's half the team then they have only four players? Maybe we won by better math skills.

[dimsah]

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[SpurCapita]

With a handle like "Stargazer", it'd seem that you'd like some asterisks of your own.

[sabar]

I didn't want to bring this out, but now I have to.

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[whottt]

The asterisk thing is funny...

It stopped bothering us about 5 years ago...and the Suns and their fans don't do smug asshole near as well as Lakerfans, Phil, and the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

[Strike]

I didn't want to bring this out, but now I have to.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2700/1523329631lpp8cd1.jpg

That is one of the FUNNIEST FUCKING THINGS I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!

[Man of Steel]

Fuck-head Phoenix Fans:

1. We beat your fucking team TWICE in this series with your team at full strength

2. You had a 16 point lead dumb asses--the largest lead that either team has ever had--larger lead than the Suns ever had with Stat and Boris Diaw.

The Suns choked away a 16-point lead.

So go home and fuck yourself.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Why do Suns fans start threads, and they don't stay around to back up what they say?

[L.I.T]

I didn't want to bring this out, but now I have to.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2700/1523329631lpp8cd1.jpg

I love the door knobs. You can almost see this guy in a tie-dye t-shirt.

[Trainwreck2100]

Why are the suspensions the spurs' fault?

[Phil Hellmuth]

any given game anything can happen, stop being a dumb nitpicker and shut up.

[AZSportsFan]

Why are the suspensions the spurs' fault?
Cause they happened in a game against the Spurs, of course. The suspensions are on the Suns, no doubt. Saying anything more just picks off the scab....

[cujo112461]

Why Is Phill Jackson Posting Here Again. Is He Still Pissed About That One Season.

[703 Spurz]

I don't get it -- how does barely squeaking out a win against a team at half strength somehow take away the asterisk? Maybe if the Spurs had won by 50, everyone could agree that Amare wouldn't have made the difference. But there is no room to doubt that the Suns would have won this game with a full team.

Sorry guys, champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win -- not by squeaking out the games you can't lose.

3 time champs here asshole. What about you?

[703 Spurz]

That is one of the FUNNIEST FUCKING THINGS I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!

Dude thinks he's the hardest motherfucker around too :lol

[my2sons]

I don't get it -- how does barely squeaking out a win against a team at half strength somehow take away the asterisk? Maybe if the Spurs had won by 50, everyone could agree that Amare wouldn't have made the difference. But there is no room to doubt that the Suns would have won this game with a full team.

Sorry guys, champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win -- not by squeaking out the games you can't lose.

we count trophy's not astericks...

[Budkin]

Boo hoo. We won, you didn't. Get the fuck over it.

[DarrinS]

I think Amare being suspended actually helped the Suns. Had he played, the Spurs would have been at the FT line a lot more.

[Sportcamper]

Come on Dude...That 1st quarter was scary...I was beginning to wonder if Gregg Popovich was going to get a “T” for farting...The refs gave the Suns every call possible...

[violentkitten]

i wonder if sun fan would've been arguing for an asterisk back in '92 when his team defeated a spurs team without david robinson in the 1st round. of course, that would've required the suns to have actually won a championship. rofl.

my bad, sun fan probably hadn't been birthed by then.

[Trainwreck2100]

I didn't see them bitching in 00 when Duncan was out.

[GrandeDavid]

Sorry guys, champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win -- not by squeaking out the games you can't lose.

Not the wisest take in the world. Champions overcome ADVERSITY to pull out critical wins. Sometimes champions create that adversity by only putting up 13 points in the first quarter.

ANY professional bunch of athletes should more times than less be "squeaking out the games you can't lose."

And by your reasoning, not only do the Spurs previous championship runs not matter, but Shaq and Kobe need to give back their hardware because "champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win." In each of the recent Spurs and Lakers championship runs, they were SUPPOSED to win most games and the championship during those playoffs.

You're trying perhaps too hard to heal broken hearts and reaching for meaningless justifications of the outcome of a basketball game. Your team played admirably and emotionally yesterday They lost. Its done. We'll see what happens in Game 6. Meanwhile, the players still get paid.

Rich, indeed. :rolleyes

[violentkitten]

I didn't see them bitching in 00 when Duncan was out.

and another. funny how the suns have been the beneficiary of the spurs having their stars completely out in two different postseasons. and we have to hear their bellyaching about not having a supporting star for one game which was on their homecourt? fuck em.

[fyatuk]

I don't get it -- how does barely squeaking out a win against a team at half strength somehow take away the asterisk? Maybe if the Spurs had won by 50, everyone could agree that Amare wouldn't have made the difference. But there is no room to doubt that the Suns would have won this game with a full team.

Sorry guys, champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win -- not by squeaking out the games you can't lose.

You can't say the Suns would have won. The Spurs have a history of playing badly in games they should easily win. They're cocky, and they usually don't try very hard when the deck is stacked in their favor.

They wouldn't have played so horribly in the first half in all likelihood if Amare and Boris hadn't been suspended.

[ctpsb]

You can't say the Suns would have won. The Spurs have a history of playing badly in games they should easily win. They're cocky, and they usually don't try very hard when the deck is stacked in their favor.

They wouldn't have played so horribly in the first half in all likelihood if Amare and Boris hadn't been suspended.


I absolutely concur. If the Spurs build a big lead early they will probably lose. They just aren't built to blitz and blow teams out.

[samikeyp]

Its funny to see some Suns fans actually side with Laker fans about the Jacksonian Asterisk.

So tell me Stargazer...who is putting this asterisk on this series? You? Mike D'Antoni? Robert Sarver?

The only entity that decides such things is the NBA...they didn't apply one in 1999 and they won't here. Its all in your heads.

[DarrinS]

Its funny to see some Suns fans actually side with Laker fans about the Jacksonian Asterisk.

So tell me Stargazer...who is putting this asterisk on this series? You? Mike D'Antoni? Robert Sarver?

The only entity that decides such things is the NBA...they didn't apply one in 1999 and they won't here. Its all in your heads.


The 99 season definitely doesn't deserve an asterisk. The Spurs steamrolled through those playoffs.

Won NBA Finals (4-1) over New York Knickerbockers
Won West Conf Finals (4-0) over Portland Trail Blazers
Won West Conf Semis (4-0) over Los Angeles Lakers
Won West Conf 1st Rd (3-1) over Minnesota Timberwolves

[MadDog73]

The 99 season definitely doesn't deserve an asterisk. The Spurs steamrolled through those playoffs.

Won NBA Finals (4-1) over New York Knickerbockers
Won West Conf Finals (4-0) over Portland Trail Blazers
Won West Conf Semis (4-0) over Los Angeles Lakers
Won West Conf 1st Rd (3-1) over Minnesota Timberwolves


Neither will the 2007 season, IF we win.

I love how Suns fans are already throwing in the towel, basically saying the Suns have no chance to win Game 6 and 7.

Losers.

[samikeyp]

The 99 season definitely doesn't deserve an asterisk. The Spurs steamrolled through those playoffs.

I agree. People seem to forget that even though the season was shortened, the playoffs were the same length they always were.

My question is this...if the Spurs only won because of the shortened season....what does that say about the teams who couldn't win despite the shortened season.

[Sec24Row7]

Spurs Championships, A National Media Perspective:

1999 - *Lockout Shortened Season

2003 - *Dirk Hurt in WCF

2005 - *Lakers Split up

Pending:

2007 - *Amare's an Idiot

[violentkitten]

i'm glad we have sun fan here to tell us what it takes to win championships. hosers.

[dmac]

And you know about champions how?
they have been watching the finals the last few years.

[Sportcamper]

Quote:2003 - *Dirk Hurt in WCF
Dang...this guy is good...
:lol :rollin :lol

[to21]

Again with the asterisks thing. Cmon, bro, as Suns fans what good does it do us to talk about asterisks. I'll take 10 asterisks, thank you.

Careful sir! If you come with logic to this board, they'll blame you for being a Spurs fan in disguise.

[EYES ON THE PRIZE]

I didn't want to bring this out, but now I have to.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2700/1523329631lpp8cd1.jpg


WIGGER!

[dmac]

Spurs Championships, A National Media Perspective:

1999 - *Lockout Shortened Season

2003 - *Dirk Hurt in WCF

2005 - *Lakers Split up

Pending:

2007 - *Amare's an Idiot
Let's return the Trophies and banners to David Stern right now. We should be ashamed. :downspin:

[SAGambler]

But there is no room to doubt that the Suns would have won this game with a full team.

Just as there is no doubt Suns would have won game 1 if Nash had been allowed to play with a bleeding gash?

No one knows or will ever know how the game may have played out with Amare, Diaw, and Horry playing.

[violentkitten]

:cry sun fan crying about having a supporting star out for one game in every thread. beautiful.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

the only asterisk for this game is the home team blowing a 17 point lead.

[Fillmoe]

**

















Legend:

** = Winning teams opponent, Jew'd by David Stern and company.

[MajorMike]

I don't get it -- how does barely squeaking out a win against a team at half strength somehow take away the asterisk? Maybe if the Spurs had won by 50, everyone could agree that Amare wouldn't have made the difference. But there is no room to doubt that the Suns would have won this game with a full team.

Sorry guys, champions are made by winning the tough games that you shouldn't win -- not by squeaking out the games you can't lose.

Just like we should put an asterisk by the MVP that Chuck won while in Phx.