International Update: Scola and Others

[Kori Ellis]

Luis Scola
20.3 ppg
8.6 rpg
54 FG%

Viktor Sanikidze
4.4 ppg
58.6 FG%
12 mpg

Robertas Javtokas
10.4 ppg
6.2 rpg
53.2 FG%
23 mpg

[Kori Ellis]

Italian League

Noel Felix (my friend)
10 ppg
5 rpg
48.8 FG%

Donte Mathis (San Antonio product)
18.3 ppg
61.9 FG%
42.9 3ptFG%

[exstatic]

Luis Scola
20.3 ppg
8.6 rpg
54 FG%

That's good to see. I was beginning to think that we had drafted a Euro Mo Taylor.

[Kori Ellis]

Just FYI ...
2.7 of those are offensive.

[nzkickass]

Heres a another good prospect.



http://www.angelfire.com/my/kirkpenney/kirk.html

[timvp]

Heres a another good prospect.



http://www.angelfire.com/my/kirkpenney/kirk.html

:cuss

[FilSpursFan]

If we could sign Scola next season, this team's gonna get scary...

[NZHayden]

I like kirk. hes got a good 3 point shot.being from nz i suppose i would say that though

[danyel]

I like kirk. hes got a good 3 point shot.being from nz i suppose i would say that though

Is that unusual? I thought everyone in NZ had a good 3pt shot.

Seriously, I like Kirk, he always gave us trouble. He should get a job as 2nd or 3rd pg somewhere in the league.

[timvp]

I hate Kirk Penney. But for a reason not related to basketball.

;):princess


:flipoff

[ALVAREZ6]

Scola is a beast, i really hope he signes with San Antonio, that'd be sweet.

[Manu20]

Are the spurs going to be able to use the mid level money on him next year?

[mattyc]

Heal > Penney.

Go Oz.

[Rummpd]

Penney played for Wisconsin and is tough as nails, was main reason they got to final 4 few years back = don't underestimate him.

Scola, the Lithuanian comebacker, and Penney brought into camp would make it a dogfight to make squad.

How long is Horry locked up for?, hopefully, Scola or the Leutivanian, next year instead of him.

MadDoc

[ducks]

Viktor Sanikidze

seems to be 2 years away

[nzkickass]

Heal > Penney.

Go Oz.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

man them aussies r funny.


hey timvp why do u hate Kirk penney ?

[timvp]

hey timvp why do u hate Kirk penney ?

:pctoss

I'll let the Princess answer this question.

[toosmallshoes]

ummm... princess...? wassamatta? this sounds like a personal problem.

[whottt]

How long is Horry locked up for?, hopefully, Scola or the Leutivanian, next year instead of him.

MadDoc

Why would you want to dump a proven NBA winner, a guy that played a key role in winning 6 rings, a player who has more championsip experience than any other active player in the NBA, for an unproven Euro?

There is substantial evidence to indicate that replacing Horry, even with HOF Power Forwards, does not increase a teams' chances of winning an title...even teams with Shaquille O'Neal and Hakeem Olajuwon on them.


We don't know that either of those guys will be able to play in the NBA. We do know that Horry at one point was capable of playing very well in crucial moments of title winning playoff runs. No he's not going to average 15 and 10 for an entire playoff run...but I wouldn't be so quick to dump the versatile, intelligent and once clutch Robert Horry...besides minutes are going to be hard to come by, Scola plays the same position as Duncan...what makes you think Scola is going to be happy in the same role as Horry, what makes you think he can beat Malik Rose and Horry out of the key back up big spot?

[Rummpd]

Because we have watched Horry lay down two years in a row and hurt the team vs. Rose on the floor this year and last.

Scola is a proven winner at the international level where the pressure is just as high, if you want to keep Horry fine, but Scola would be better for this team.

[boutons]

"Why would you want to dump a proven NBA winner"

because he's WAY past his prime now and 3 years since his last NBA win. Notice his stat line last night. 3 TOs, 2 RBs, and 0-2 FTs in 16 minutes, plus his crappy help defense. His legs can't even move laterally, never mind jump. He looked absolutely horrible and lost out there.

(Not a Horry-hater, I like and enjoy Horry the person, and feel sorry for him to be so useless on the court)

[whottt]

Because we have watched Horry lay down two years in a row and hurt the team vs. Rose on the floor this year and last.

We saw him have a bad playoffs for the first time in his career in 03, and BTW, he had an injured hand...just remember...that 3 pointer went waaaaaaaaaay in and then barely out of that basket...it was the best shot he took in that series and we were very fortunate that Horry missed a playoff game winner for the first and still only time in his entire career.

Don't judge Horry by his stats...that's exactly why he has hurt teams in the past...because they underestimate him. And his defense is consistently good.

Last year he played exceptional, until Pop got the, IMO, dumbass idea to have him and his 220lb body guard Shaq.....he played far better than Malik Rose last season...I don't think Malik's minutes should have been reduced, I think Malik would have helped us more against LA...but there's no denying Horry outplayed Malik last season and deserved to be playing ahead of him.





Scola is a proven winner at the international level where the pressure is just as high, if you want to keep Horry fine, but Scola would be better for this team.

He is? I saw him win one gold medal and that is the extent of his winning, and that was on Manu's team. I'd hardly compare that to Horry's portfolio of clutch playoff moments. I've seen Scola excel in transition offense in international play....I haven't seen one thing to make me think he could be a better back up big on an NBA team than Malik Rose or Robert Horry. I'm not saying he can't...but I don't see it yet. And Javtokas isn't like Malik or Horry really...he's much more like Malik than Horry though...you won't see Javtokas guarding Garnett or Nowitski out on the perimeter...or stretching the opposition defense.



On top of that...Horry makes the vet min, there is no limit to vet min players....now why you wouldn't want a guy that has his legacy of playoff clutchness on this team, for the vet min, is a mystery to me. Sounds silly to me.

[whottt]

Notice his stat line last night.


End of discussion.

[timvp]

Horry being clutch is old news. Get with the times.

The less Horry sees the court, the better.

[whottt]

Horry being clutch is old news. Get with the times.

The less Horry sees the court, the better.

Sincerely, the Houston Rockets, the LA Lakers, Charles Barkley and Karl Malone...and their 0 rings after dumping Horry.




Horry being clutch is old news? That's almost like saying breathing, water and sex are old news...does that invalidate their need?

And TimVP...you just don't like Horry...who do you think you are fooling?

Judge him by his stats are your own peril.

The fact is that we don't know if he has lost his clutchness because he hasn't been put in that situation with the Spurs...we know he missed one shot, and I mean he barely fucking missed it...and the fact that that is so held against him...proves what a standard of excellence he has set for himself in those situations.

[whottt]

What part of "he makes the fucking vet min" don't you guys get?


There is absolutely not one single valid argument you guys can make for dumping him from this team, that isn't based 100% in bias or plain old ignorance of Horry's playoff legacy. Don't even try to do it and claim objectivity...you'll embarrass yourselves.

[IcemanCometh]

a guy that played a key role in winning 6 rings uhm 5 unless you mean he was key to us beating the Lakers.


Sincerely, the Houston Rockets, the LA Lakers, Charles Barkley and Karl Malone...and their 0 rings after dumping Horry.

Barkley and Malone never played with Horry

[whottt]

uhm 5 unless you mean he was key to us beating the Lakers.

Wow you finally get something. Don't get too happy...either you are getting smarter or I am getting dumber...I wonder which it is...



Barkley and Malone never played with Horry

Darn, just when you were showing signs of hope...Figure it out.

Now go and do what you do best...which seems to be hating white people.

Edit: and BTW...did you have some kind of relevant point to make or did you just pop into this thread to provide comic relief?

[IcemanCometh]

hmmmm The Rockets with Horry Western conf semi-finals. Rockets with Barkley Western conf finals. Lakers with Horry Western conf semis Lakers with Malone the finals. Both teams got better after dumping Horry.

[ducks]

spurs will need one vet forward next year

and I think they still try to trade rose
rose's play will help that
I would be for keeping rose and signing those two and then trade rose if they do not pan out. but alot will have to do with the new cba and if spurs can go to finals and help holt's pocket book

[ducks]

I think we should wait tell after the playoffs

if horry bails ou tthe spurs people will annoint him here and if he fails they will show him the door here

[Kori Ellis]

I think the Spurs will definitely bring Scola over this summer unless his stats drop dramatically.

[ALVAREZ6]

He is? I saw him win one gold medal and that is the extent of his winning, and that was on Manu's team. I'd hardly compare that to Horry's portfolio of clutch playoff moments. I've seen Scola excel in transition offense in international play....I haven't seen one thing to make me think he could be a better back up big on an NBA team than Malik Rose or Robert Horry. I'm not saying he can't...but I don't see it yet. And Javtokas isn't like Malik or Horry really...he's much more like Malik than Horry though...you won't see Javtokas guarding Garnett or Nowitski out on the perimeter...or stretching the opposition defense.



On top of that...Horry makes the vet min, there is no limit to vet min players....now why you wouldn't want a guy that has his legacy of playoff clutchness on this team, for the vet min, is a mystery to me. Sounds silly to me.


You thin Horry is better than Scola? You see Scola in the Olympics, he averaged the same amount of points as Manu. I think he can back Duncan up. Horry is getting old.... i def. think Scola is better than him.

[TheWriter]

Damn, Whottt is such a moron.

[timvp]

Horry being clutch is old news? That's almost like saying breathing, water and sex are old news...does that invalidate their need?

Something must have gotten lost in the translation. "Old news" meaning it doesn't apply anymore. He was clutch ... but he's not anymore. Check his playoff stats the last two years if you need more evidence.

If "old news" also applies to your sex life, that is more information than I needed to know.

[ducks]

horry was cluch against mem

[timvp]

Memphis was a fluke playoff team. Hubie Brown coached lottery talent into the playoffs. The Spurs would have won that series with Walton Buys Off Me getting the bulk of the minutes at power forward.

[whottt]

Something must have gotten lost in the translation. "Old news" meaning it doesn't apply anymore. He was clutch ... but he's not anymore. Check his playoff stats the last two years if you need more evidence.

Get that weak shit out of here...are you trying to cram as many bad takes into one thread as humanly possible?


First of all...he's the same age Bowen and Barry are...they are all about a year apart. Now I realize that, in your mind, Horry needs a wheel chair just to get out on the court...but the fact remains...he is a vet minimum player on the deep bench...old players perform better in that role than most young players, young players usually who do not keep themselves sharp and never had the experience to get sharp in the first place.

Now...Ok, let's look at playoffs stats...




2004 Spurs Playoffs Statistics


PLAYER AVERAGES
Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Tim Duncan 10 10 40.5 .522 .000 .632 3.30 8.00 11.30 3.2 .80 2.00 4.20 3.40 22.1
Tony Parker 10 10 38.6 .429 .395 .657 .50 1.60 2.10 7.0 1.30 .10 3.10 1.50 18.4
Manu Ginobili 10 0 28.0 .447 .286 .818 1.50 3.80 5.30 3.1 1.70 .10 2.10 3.00 13.0
Hedo Turkoglu 10 10 27.1 .321 .333 .611 .50 4.00 4.50 1.5 .90 .10 1.60 2.00 7.7
Robert Horry 10 0 21.1 .465 .364 .929 2.50 3.80 6.30 .9 .80 .20 1.00 3.10 6.1
Bruce Bowen 10 10 29.8 .365 .379 .231 .60 2.30 2.90 1.0 .40 .30 .40 2.40 6.0
Rasho Nesterovic 10 10 26.1 .433 .000 .167 2.10 3.40 5.50 1.0 .30 1.10 .80 3.80 5.9
Devin Brown 9 0 14.4 .486 .600 .588 .40 1.60 2.00 1.0 .33 .11 .78 2.00 5.8
Jason Hart 7 0 8.9 .550 .000 .000 .00 .40 .40 .1 .71 .00 .14 .70 3.1
Charlie Ward 5 0 2.6 .667 1.000 .000 .00 .00 .00 .2 .40 .00 .40 .40 2.2
Charlie Ward 5 0 2.6 .667 1.000 .000 .00 .00 .00 .2 .40 .00 .40 .40 2.2
Malik Rose 7 0 8.3 .250 .000 .500 1.70 .70 2.40 .9 .57 .29 1.14 .90 1.4
Kevin Willis 7 0 3.6 .375 .000 .000 .00 .90 .90 .0 .14 .00 .00 .70 .9
Team Averages 10 0 240.0 .440 .365 .644 12.6 29.7 42.3 19.4 7.7 4.2 15.5 22.8 89.3
Opponents 10 0 240.0 .453 .323 .668 8.8 29.3 38.1 17.9 8.0 5.2 14.9 22.7 86.2




There's the stats for the entire team last season...If Horry choked what does that say about the rest of the team?

Again, it was a stupid fucking idea to have him guard Shaq...we might as well have thrown crepe paper out there...


Now, here's the playoff stats for every year of Horry's career:


Year Team Lg G Min Pts PPG FGM FGA FGP FTM FTA FTP 3PM 3PA 3PP ORB DRB TRB RPG AST APG STL BLK TO
1992-93 HOU NBA 12 374 123 10.3 47 101 .465 20 27 .741 9 30 .300 14 48 62 5.2 38 3.2 18 16 28
1993-94 HOU NBA 23 778 269 11.7 98 226 .434 39 51 .765 34 89 .382 40 101 141 6.1 82 3.6 35 20 27
1994-95 HOU NBA 22 841 288 13.1 93 209 .445 58 78 .744 44 110 .400 40 115 155 7.0 76 3.5 32 26 25
1995-96 HOU NBA 8 308 105 13.1 37 91 .407 10 23 .435 21 53 .396 15 42 57 7.1 24 3.0 21 13 15
1996-97 LAL NBA 9 279 60 6.7 17 38 .447 14 18 .778 12 28 .429 12 36 48 5.3 13 1.4 10 7 11
1997-98 LAL NBA 13 422 112 8.6 39 70 .557 28 41 .683 6 17 .353 34 50 84 6.5 40 3.1 14 14 18
1998-99 LAL NBA 8 177 40 5.0 12 26 .462 11 14 .786 5 12 .417 10 26 36 4.5 11 1.4 6 6 7
1999-00 LAL NBA 23 618 175 7.6 59 145 .407 40 57 .702 17 59 .288 38 85 123 5.3 58 2.5 20 19 30
2000-01 LAL NBA 16 382 94 5.9 32 87 .368 13 22 .591 17 47 .362 30 53 83 5.2 31 1.9 22 16 18
2001-02 LAL NBA 19 703 176 9.3 61 136 .449 30 38 .789 24 62 .387 36 118 154 8.1 61 3.2 33 16 30
2002-03 LAL NBA 12 373 67 5.6 30 94 .319 5 9 .556 2 38 .053 23 57 80 6.7 37 3.1 15 12 17
2003-04 SAS NBA 10 211 61 6.1 20 43 .465 13 14 .929 8 22 .364 25 38 63 6.3 9 0.9 8 2 10
Totals 175 5466 1570 9.0 545 1266 .430 281 392 .717 199 567 .351 317 769 1086 6.2 480 2.7 234 167 236


As you can see...his stats weren't bad last season...

It's clear to me that guys like you and boutons haven't really watched this guy play much...it's not like he averages 50 points and 35 boards a game in the playoffs and never misses a shot....

That's not the type of clutch he is....he's not the type of clutch that Stephen Jackson is...Remember? I said this last season when I was bitching about the loss of Jack and you guys were telling me Horry and Devin Brown were going to replace him...I said then...Horry is not a guy that's going to hit 5 or 6 threes in a row, nor is he going to be left open, by LA of all teams, to try and do so.....yes he has done that before...but that's not the type of clutch he is.


I mean he is capable of a nice game...

But what defines him as a player is what he has done in the closing seconds of huge games....It's for those few moments that he stands out like few players in history....

Case in point...in game 1 of the 94-95 WCF...

Hory only scored 1 basket...it was the game winner.

That's the type of clutch he is...he wasn't given that chance with us....

And in that series VS us...his hand was injured....and that shot went in the hoop, it was the best shot he took in that series...we just got lucky it bounced out again.



So I repeat...what part of "he makes the vet minimum" don't you guys fucking get?

It's assinine to act like Scola is going to keep us from signing a vet min player...Scola aint going to be a vet min player...So I guess you guys want to sign Scola and then have a 9 man roster or something.

I'm also interested in seeing how enthusiastic Holt is going to be to have two back up PF making @ MLE...I know I heard him starting to squeak when he walked right around the time Parker was signing his contract.

And you guys don't know Scola is going to translate to the NBA or the type of ball the Spurs play...Was obvious Manu was going to fit...but I see Scola as being nothing more than a transition big...he's K Mart without the NBA athleticism and defensive ability. Pop will not go for it unless it's to trade him.

I never predict what Pop will do but I am going to on this...he won't like Scola's defense.

[ChumpDumper]

Scola's price tag was reported to be about $3 million, not the full MLE.

When was the last time Horry was clutch in the final seconds anyway?

There's no reason to make it a Scola or Horry debate, there is room for both if it comes to that -- but we know Scola is going to be a priority next offseason and Horry was anything but a priority this past offseason.

[ducks]

scola will be here

the debate will be over the vets big

one of them will not be here if scola comes next year

alot will depend if spurs trade rose

[whottt]

Scola's price tag was reported to be about $3 million, not the full MLE.

When was the last time Horry was clutch in the final seconds anyway?

He's been clutch more recently than the last time you didn't have a chickenshit, prevaricating and mendacious style of arguing.




There's no reason to make it a Scola or Horry debate, there is room for both if it comes to that -- but we know Scola is going to be a priority next offseason and Horry was anything but a priority this past offseason.


No shit...well the Tardsteins' theory of basketball relativity is saying that it's an either or thing....I'm not the one saying that...I'm the one saying that is stupid logic.

So we bring in Scola and bring back Marks and Massenburg for the vet min and not Horry? That's fucking stupid...

Oh and please don't let TimVP know Massenburg is 37...he might accidently think Massenburg is dying of old age and do something to upset the guy's family.

And whatever you do don't let him know that his offseason dream PG Avery Johnson is nearly 40...I think he might be overcome with grief thinking AJ only has months to live.

[ChumpDumper]

He's been clutch more recently than the last time you didn't have a chickenshit, prevaricating and mendacious style of arguing.When? Be specific. Final seconds of which big game?

[Manu20]

I don't remember Horry being Clutch just clanking shot after shot in the laker series last year. And this year he has not done nothing in the 4th quarter except for the Boston game but in the Memphis game he fumble 2 huge rebounds in the closing minutes of a tight game.

[timvp]

First of all...he's the same age Bowen and Barry are...they are all about a year apart. Now I realize that, in your mind, Horry needs a wheel chair just to get out on the court...but the fact remains...he is a vet minimum player on the deep bench...old players perform better in that role than most young players, young players usually who do not keep themselves sharp and never had the experience to get sharp in the first place.

I never brought up age. Stick to the facts. And if you are sticking to the facts, you might want to note how many more games Horry has played in his career when compared to Bowen. There is a lot more wear and tear on him. He'll admit that, the Spurs will admit that, so why can't you?


Now...Ok, let's look at playoffs stats...

I don't GAF about the playoff stats. As I said already in this thread, Memphis was a well coached lottery team. Check out the Laker stats.


Spurs Leaders
NAME GP GS MIN PTS OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO A/TO PF TECH
T. Duncan 6 0 41.8 20.7 3.8 8.3 12.2 3.3 1.00 1.67 4.7 0.71 3.5 0.2
T. Parker 6 0 39.7 16.7 0.8 1.3 2.2 6.0 1.67 0.17 3.0 2.00 1.8 0.0
E. Ginobili 6 0 28.8 14.7 1.8 4.3 6.2 3.7 1.83 0.00 1.8 2.00 3.5 0.0
D. Brown 6 0 19.8 8.5 0.7 2.2 2.8 1.3 0.50 0.17 1.2 1.14 3.0 0.0
R. Nesterovic 6 0 28.0 6.2 2.0 3.2 5.2 0.7 0.33 0.67 1.0 0.67 4.2 0.0
H. Turkoglu 6 0 23.0 6.2 0.5 3.2 3.7 1.2 0.67 0.00 1.2 1.00 1.8 0.0
B. Bowen 6 0 28.2 4.7 0.5 1.8 2.3 0.5 0.50 0.17 0.0 0.00 2.2 0.0
R. Horry 6 0 18.5 2.8 1.8 3.2 5.0 0.7 0.83 0.00 1.0 0.67 2.8 0.0
C. Ward 2 0 3.0 2.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.50 0.00 0.5 0.00 1.0 0.0
J. Hart 3 0 7.0 2.0 0.0 0.3 0.3 0.0 0.33 0.00 0.0 0.00 0.3 0.0
M. Rose 3 0 9.0 2.0 2.7 1.3 4.0 1.0 0.33 0.00 0.3 3.00 0.7 0.0
K. Willis 4 0 4.8 1.0 0.0 1.3 1.3 0.0 0.00 0.00 0.0 0.00 1.3 0.0
TOTALS 6 --- --- 83.8 13.3 29.2 42.5 17.8 7.83 2.83 14.2 1.26 24.5 0.2
OPPONENTS 10 --- --- 86.2 8.8 29.3 38.1 17.9 8.00 5.20 14.2 1.26 0.2 0.9

Spurs Leaders
NAME FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS* ADJ.
FG%^
T. Duncan 7.2 15.2 .473 0.0 0.2 .000 6.3 9.5 .667 43 90 .478 1.36 .473
T. Parker 7.2 18.8 .381 1.0 4.5 .222 1.3 2.2 .615 37 86 .430 0.88 .407
E. Ginobili 5.2 10.7 .484 1.3 3.8 .348 3.0 3.8 .783 23 41 .561 1.38 .547
D. Brown 3.0 5.5 .545 1.0 1.5 .667 1.5 2.5 .600 12 24 .500 1.55 .636
R. Nesterovic 3.0 7.7 .391 0.0 0.2 .000 0.2 1.0 .167 18 45 .400 0.80 .391
H. Turkoglu 2.2 8.3 .260 1.3 4.7 .286 0.5 1.0 .500 5 22 .227 0.74 .340
B. Bowen 1.7 5.8 .286 1.2 3.2 .368 0.2 0.8 .200 3 16 .188 0.80 .386
R. Horry 0.7 2.8 .235 0.3 2.0 .167 1.2 1.3 .875 2 5 .400 1.00 .294
C. Ward 1.0 2.0 .500 0.5 0.5 1.000 0.0 0.0 .000 1 3 .333 1.25 .625
J. Hart 1.0 2.0 .500 0.0 0.0 .000 0.0 0.0 .000 3 6 .500 1.00 .500
M. Rose 0.7 3.0 .222 0.0 0.7 .000 0.7 1.3 .500 2 7 .286 0.67 .222
K. Willis 0.5 1.5 .333 0.0 0.3 .000 0.0 0.3 .000 2 5 .400 0.67 .333
TOTALS 31.5 79.0 .399 6.3 20.7 .306 14.5 23.0 .630 151 350 .431 1.06 .439

That's 23.5% from the field and 16.7% from downtown. Those are pitiful numbers especially considering that everyone (including himself) was hyped up about him sticking it to his old team. The Spurs needed him the most in one of the biggest playoff series in the franchise's history ... and he folded.

It shouldn't have mattered that he was taking on Shaq on the other end. The idea was that he was going to be wide open on offense. The idea worked, but he just choked. Simple as that.

Surprising? No. He's already in decline. Check out what he did against the Spurs the year before.


Lakers Leaders
NAME GP GS MIN PTS OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO A/TO PF TECH
K. Bryant 6 0 43.3 32.3 1.2 3.8 5.0 3.7 1.00 0.17 4.5 0.81 3.5 0.0
S. O'Neal 6 0 38.3 25.3 5.7 8.7 14.3 3.7 0.67 2.83 3.5 1.05 3.3 0.2
D. Fisher 6 0 35.3 10.0 0.2 2.5 2.7 1.0 0.83 0.17 1.7 0.60 3.0 0.0
D. George 5 0 29.6 7.0 0.4 2.4 2.8 1.6 0.60 0.00 1.2 1.33 2.4 0.0
S. Medvedenko 5 0 13.0 6.4 0.6 2.4 3.0 0.0 0.20 0.20 0.6 0.00 2.4 0.0
R. Horry 6 0 30.0 4.3 1.8 6.0 7.8 1.8 0.50 1.00 1.2 1.57 2.3 0.2
J. Pargo 5 0 15.0 3.4 0.4 0.6 1.0 1.2 1.20 0.20 1.0 1.20 2.4 0.0
K. Rush 5 0 8.0 3.2 0.4 0.0 0.4 0.4 0.20 0.00 0.6 0.67 0.4 0.0
M. Madsen 6 0 11.5 1.7 0.3 1.5 1.8 0.3 0.17 0.17 0.2 2.00 2.5 0.0
S. Walker 5 0 6.4 0.0 0.2 1.4 1.6 0.2 0.20 0.40 0.2 1.00 1.6 0.0
TOTALS 6 --- --- 93.7 11.0 31.5 42.5 15.8 5.50 5.00 15.3 1.03 24.0 0.3
OPPONENTS 12 --- --- 100.0 9.7 31.9 41.6 21.0 7.25 3.83 13.0 1.62 0.2 0.4

Lakers Leaders
NAME FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS* ADJ.
FG%^
K. Bryant 11.5 26.5 .434 2.5 5.7 .441 6.8 8.7 .788 54 125 .432 1.22 .481
S. O'Neal 9.5 17.0 .559 0.0 0.0 .000 6.3 10.0 .633 57 102 .559 1.49 .559
D. Fisher 3.2 6.3 .500 1.3 2.2 .615 2.3 2.3 1.000 11 25 .440 1.58 .605
D. George 2.6 6.6 .394 1.0 2.8 .357 0.8 0.8 1.000 8 19 .421 1.06 .470
S. Medvedenko 2.8 4.8 .583 0.0 0.0 .000 0.8 1.2 .667 14 24 .583 1.33 .583
R. Horry 1.8 7.0 .262 0.0 3.0 .000 0.7 1.2 .571 11 24 .458 0.62 .262
J. Pargo 1.4 2.6 .538 0.6 1.6 .375 0.0 0.0 .000 4 5 .800 1.31 .654
K. Rush 1.2 3.6 .333 0.4 1.0 .400 0.4 0.4 1.000 4 13 .308 0.89 .389
M. Madsen 0.7 1.3 .500 0.0 0.0 .000 0.3 0.7 .500 4 8 .500 1.25 .500
S. Walker 0.0 0.6 .000 0.0 0.0 .000 0.0 0.0 .000 0 3 .000 0.00 .000
TOTALS 34.7 78.2 .443 6.0 17.8 .336 18.3 25.2 .728 172 362 .475 1.20 .482

He shot 26.2% from the floor and was 0-18 on threes. Are you starting to see the pattern? It's over. He was an awesome clutch player. I was a huge fan of his. But it's over. He's not clutch anymore.

Players get worn down ... that's life in the NBA. If we follow your logic, the Spurs might as well bring in Rick Barry, Chris Mullin, Joe Dumars and all the other clutch players in league history. You'd get all hot and bothered if you copy and pasted their playoff stats in your next fillibuster.

My main problem with him this season is now all of a sudden he can't rebound. His season high for defensive rebounds in a game is 2. He's averaging six rebounds per 48 minutes played. That is horrible for a power forward. That simply cannot get it done.

I don't mind him being on the team. He's a good insurance policy and understands the game as well as anyone in the league. What I mind is him playing in fourth quarters.

He isn't active enough on defense and he isn't rebounding. You can't have that ... especially when Rasho Nesterovic and Malik Rose are both good defenders and very good rebounders. Play either one of those two in fourth quarters, and the Spurs will be fine.

This season in the playoffs, do you want Robert Horry ending games? Answer me that. You know damn well that Nesterovic or Rose bring more to the table. And you know what? Pop is figuring that out. That's why Horry hasn't seen much playing time in the fourth quarters since his two horrible outings versus the Raptors and Grizzlies.

Pop learns ... will you?


I never predict what Pop will do but I am going to on this...he won't like Scola's defense.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

What a prediction!

[Guru of Nothing]

Does Scoula present any trade value to the Spurs? If the Spurs sign Scoula, does that waive off any possibility of signing Javtokas?

Based soley upon what I have read, signing Scoula seems like the safe thing to do, but Javtokas teases the mind to think he could be a poor man's Kirilenko, maybe more.

Of course, the Spurs could play both Scoula and Javtokas, but that would only happen if Malik were moved in a trade, which I don't see happening unless .....

Udrih is all that, and Malik and Parker are traded for a max-type player.

[/nevermind]

[smeagol]

Does Scoula present any trade value to the Spurs? If the Spurs sign Scoula, does that waive off any possibility of signing Javtokas?

Based soley upon what I have read, signing Scoula seems like the safe thing to do, but Javtokas teases the mind to think he could be a poor man's Kirilenko, maybe more.

Of course, the Spurs could play both Scoula and Javtokas, but that would only happen if Malik were moved in a trade, which I don't see happening unless .....

Udrih is all that, and Malik and Parker are traded for a max-type player.

[/nevermind]

Who's Scoula? :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

Does Scoula present any trade value to the Spurs? If the Spurs sign Scoula, does that waive off any possibility of signing Javtokas?

Based soley upon what I have read, signing Scoula seems like the safe thing to do, but Javtokas teases the mind to think he could be a poor man's Kirilenko, maybe more.

Of course, the Spurs could play both Scoula and Javtokas, but that would only happen if Malik were moved in a trade, which I don't see happening unless .....

Udrih is all that, and Malik and Parker are traded for a max-type player.

[/nevermind]


Why do you care about trade value, Scola isn't coming here to be traded.

He's coming here to play, and Ithink he will adjust to the NBA, even if it takes a while.

[Guru of Nothing]

Who's Scoula? :lol

"Argentinian" is my second language.

[Guru of Nothing]

Why do you care about trade value, Scola isn't coming here to be traded.

He's coming here to play, and Ithink he will adjust to the NBA, even if it takes a while.

Look Bozo, I'm just presenting possibilities, silly as they may be.

Stop pretending you KNOW something.

I think you will adjust to this forum, even if it takes a while.

[ducks]

rose has trade value right now

if scola gets signed rose will be gone

[nzkickass]

I'll let the Princess answer this question

well Princess whats the story ?

Horry has past his use by date. Don't worry too much about scola, once Marks comes back and starts producing you wont need Scola. If marks was playing where Scola is he would be averging them stats aswell, if not more !!

[Manu20]

I think Marks is going to have a though time earning minutes behind Rose and Horry this season. As for Scola I'm ecxited about him possibly coming next year because he is playing terrific ball (as seen on his stats). He is going to be a key backup for us and he has the advantage of playing with ginobili.

IMO Horry or Marks are going to be the odd man out (if not both).

[T Park]

I wouldnt totally bury Horry,

but, Rose or Nesterovic are definately ahead of him int he rotation.

Horry to me, looks like he has lost a step this year, and I gotta wonder if he comes back next year.


If the SPurs sign Scola this offseason, and keep Horry and keep everyone else.

They will have the deepest and best team that the NBA has seen for a while.

Chew on that for a while haters.

[whottt]

Sorry TimVP, but you can't just isolate one series and act like that confirms what you are saying...

For the entire playoffs last season his numbers and PCTs were among the best on the team for minutes played...everyone else on the team played the Lakers and the Grizz as well. If that one series confirms to you that Horry is finished then the other series should lead you to a similar conclusion that other guys are finished as well.

Furthermore...his best game was game 6...the must win game...yeah he didn't hit 5 or 6 3 pointers...but he has never done that, and I am wondering why you and so many others seem to think that is what he does......what he does is makes a bunch of plays in crucial situations...the remaining 5 games of that series there was only one crucial situation and that was game .04...I know you will blame Horry for letting Kobe get past him...but Kobe gets past a lot of guys...if you are gonna use that type of criticism then you better be willing to aim it at Manu for .04 as well.


Horry hasn't been put in his usual clutch situation with the Spurs....and I'm telling you right now he was injured and worn out in 03.

Whatever factor his age may be....as guys like Steve Kerr proved...if you rest those old guys they can still be valuable assets.



The point still remains that Horry is a vet minimum player and it's not a choice of Horry or Scola...even with Malik playing better this season, Horry is still right behind him off the bench...now why you guys wouldn't want at worst our second best bench big brought back...for the vet min...there's no justification for that sentiment other than ignorance.


The choice is going to be Malik Rose or Scola....so be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.

Scola is an undersized PF...guess what? We have a pretty decent PF already...and we already have a good undersized PF...Scola will get a job in the NBA because he can score...and for most people that is all that matters...but he's not going to be as good of a utility back up as Malik or Horry have been...and I don't think he's going to want to be a utility grunt anyway.

The guy seems like a hothead to me...he complained about getting drafted in the second round...last year when asked about coming to the Spurs, in the Olympics, he scowled...this guy has a typical semi-primadonnaish scorers mentality...he won't make it as a Spur. I am not speculating here...

[whottt]

Chump the last time I remember him hitting a last second game winner was in the 02-03 regular season. A better question is how many times has he missed one in the playoffs...once.

I too had problems with the way the Spurs only lightly pursued Horry...at the same time...looking at the struggle Pop had with Holt over Parker's contract...it's easy to see that that situation was caused by the Spurs quite simply having nothing more to offer than the vet min and Horry not welcoming the idea of becoming a vet min player....

Now he has accepted it and anyone that doesn't want what he has to offer a team, for the vet min, is ignorant. It's just plain ignorant. You guys must think there's a ton of back up bigs that can score 20-10 a game, just waiting to come play on the Spurs for the MLE...Fucking stupid. Horry and Rose are cream of the crop bench bigs. Both are proven.


Typical Spursfan grass is greener mentality...getting stardust in your eyes over an unproven Eurobig...throwing the baby out with the bath water...and a bunch of other cliches are well applied in pointing out the obvious naievete of those who want to get rid of guys like Horry or Rose for an unproven player...in the case of Horry, when it isn't even necessary to get rid of him to bring that player in.

Eat shit and smarten up.

[ChumpDumper]

it's easy to see that that situation was caused by the Spurs quite simply having nothing more to offer than the vet minThey had plenty more to offer -- just not to Rob. Thank God they didn't pass up on Barry just to overpay Rob. Makes me wonder who the Spurs would've signed if the Heat had been stupid enough to do so.

[whottt]

Something must have gotten lost in the translation. "Old news" meaning it doesn't apply anymore. He was clutch ... but he's not anymore. Check his playoff stats the last two years if you need more evidence.

If "old news" also applies to your sex life, that is more information than I needed to know.


Date:
11-28-2004 06:01 PM



Simply Classic.

[T Park]

:-(