Living on a Food-Stamp Diet

[Nbadan]

Healthy eating on the food stamp diet was mission impossible - even for the Daily News' expert shopper.

Despite bargain hunting, St. Vincent's Hospital Manhattan dietitian Tina Fuchs fell short on every vital food group when asked to buy a week's worth of food with only $28.

The nutritionist was challenged to see whether she could do better than Queens Councilman Eric Gioia, who has been living on the average food-stamp allotment for a single recipient for the past week.

And, though more nutritious than the Democrat's diet of Ramen noodles, cheese slices and white bread, she said her shopping cart would still lead to major long-term health problems.

"I made the most of our $28, but we haven't got what we need," she said outside Associated Supermarket on W. 14th St.

NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/05/17/2007-05-17_foodstamp_diet_itll_make_ya_sick-4.html)

1 person, $155 max and that's for someone with no other income. There's no way anyone can eat a healthy diet on that. Food stamps subsidize the labor costs for the majority of retail stores in the country, especially Walmart and probably your favorite restaurant. People do have to try to budget that small of an amount for food, even though they're working because their paycheck goes to rent, day care, power and transportation. This is reality for nearly half the country and they don't vote because they have chosen to be apathetic about politics, just like social conservatives like them to be.

[Nbadan]

forget traveling while on a food-budget...

TSA Confiscates Congressman's Peanut Butter And Jelly


Congressman Tim Ryan (D-OH) blogs about a recent run-in with the Transportation Security Administration at the airport in Manchester, New Hampshire. Ryan, who is living on the monetary equivalent of food stamps in order to better understand the plight of the nation's poor, had carefully rationed a supply of peanut butter and jelly to last him through his travels, only to have the security gates take it away under the onerous no-liquids rule.

"I took my bag and walked towards the gate thinking about the 4 or maybe 5 meals that she had taken from me. What am I going to do now? It’s not like I can just go to Safeway and grab another jar. I have .33 cents (sic) and a bag of cornmeal to last today and tomorrow," Ryan writes. He finished sarcastically, "I’d like to thank the TSA for doing an exceptional job protecting our nation’s airports and allowing me to illustrate that not even Congressmen get any special treatment at the airport."

Election Central (http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/may/21/happy_hour_roundup)

[gtownspur]

5 cans of Tuna = 2.50

Wheat Bread = 1.25

Milk = 4 .00

Mayo = 1.25

Generic Cereal = 2.50

5 Lean Gourmet Michellina's @ .89 = 5.00

baby carrots = 2.00

eggs = 1.50

bacon or chorizo =1.89

bag of Corn Tortilla chips = 1.50

Salsa = 1.89

1 40 0z of Del Sol beer for a spurs game = 2.00


weeks worth of Groceries..... $27.23



Giving Bohemian Upperclass Democrats 28 dollars to spend for groceries for a week as a social experiment, and then turn around and bitch becuase a pound of Chipotle Belgium Chocolate, Ammeretto Saffron Almonds at the Whole Foods cost 12 bucks and their organic peanut butter and vegan jelly made them go bankrupt...... priceless


But for everything else theres the U. S. Of A voting registration card, never go an election with out it.

[clambake]

5 cans of tuna for 2.50? You can't get cat food for that price.

Mayo for 1.25?

Eggs? Maybe half a dozen, maybe.

Bacon for 1.89? What is that, a half gallon of gas to drive to nearby farm to steal a pig?

[ChumpDumper]

Why would you be flying if you were on food stamps?

[gtownspur]

5 cans of tuna for 2.50? You can't get cat food for that price.

Mayo for 1.25?

Eggs? Maybe half a dozen, maybe.

Bacon for 1.89? What is that, a half gallon of gas to drive to nearby farm to steal a pig?


Great Value Tuna is only 33 cents a can,

Squeezable Generic GV mayo is only 1.25

And Bar S bacon is mega cheap, as well as chorizo.

I even overpriced the Milk.

Heck you can even get HCF bread at 89 cents a loaf, you could cut this all down to 25.00 expense.

[gtownspur]

Why would you be flying if you were on food stamps?


If you use your lonestar card enough, you could earn frequent flyer miles with it.

[clambake]

What good is 33 cent can of tuna if it makes you puke?

[gtownspur]

What good is 33 cent can of tuna if it makes you puke?


Ok get the sunkist tuna and that's still only 44 cents.

[clambake]

44 cents for starkist? Shit man, where do you live?

[DarkReign]

5 cans of Tuna = 2.50

Wheat Bread = 1.25

Milk = 4 .00

Mayo = 1.25

Generic Cereal = 2.50

5 Lean Gourmet Michellina's @ .89 = 5.00

baby carrots = 2.00

eggs = 1.50

bacon or chorizo =1.89

bag of Corn Tortilla chips = 1.50

Salsa = 1.89

1 40 0z of Del Sol beer for a spurs game = 2.00

weeks worth of Groceries..... $27.23

Giving Bohemian Upperclass Democrats 28 dollars to spend for groceries for a week as a social experiment, and then turn around and bitch becuase a pound of Chipotle Belgium Chocolate, Ammeretto Saffron Almonds at the Whole Foods cost 12 bucks and their organic peanut butter and vegan jelly made them go bankrupt...... priceless

But for everything else theres the U. S. Of A voting registration card, never go an election with out it.

PWND.

If lazy fuckers couldnt walk around and collect returnables to supplement their income or, heaven forbid, mow peoples grass for $5, we wouldnt be having this conversation.

[monosylab1k]

5 cans of tuna per week will give a person dangerously high levels of mercury in their body.

[Extra Stout]

44 cents for starkist? Shit man, where do you live?
Not California.

[ChumpDumper]

Or Manhattan.

[Kori Ellis]

One Week's Groceries

12 frozen chicken breasts = 10.00
Rice = 1.00
Pasta or Top Ramen (lots of it) = 1.00
Spaghetti sauce = 1.00
3 cans of tuna = 2.25
Mayo = 1.00 (a jar will last you at least a month, so you don't put the whole price per week)
Cereal = 2.00
Milk = 3.00
Bread = 1.00
Eggs = 1.00
Ham = 2.00
Frozen mixed Vegetables = 1.00
Beans = 1.00
Kool-Aid (or even better Flavor-Aid) = 12 packs for 1.00

Grand Total = $28.25

It's very easy for one person to eat on $155/month.

[Extra Stout]

For our next trick, liberal journalists will show how it is impossible to find decent housing for $200,000 in Manhattan or San Francisco.

gtownspur will post real estate listings showing lots of decent housing for under $200,000.

clambake will protest that this must be impossible and ask gtown where he lives.

[clambake]

200k home in san fran is like stepping into the 3rd world.

[DarkReign]

200k home in san fran is like stepping into the 3rd world.

Damnit Kori, when are we going to get an "over your head" smilie?

[clambake]

Damnit Kori, when are we going to get an "over your head" smilie?

Have you seen areas in SF where homes are 200k? I didn't think so. Maybe it's a Tx. or Mich. thing.

[smeagol]

For our next trick, liberal journalists will show how it is impossible to find decent housing for $200,000 in Manhattan or San Francisco.

gtownspur will post real estate listings showing lots of decent housing for under $200,000.

clambake will protest that this must be impossible and ask gtown where he lives.
:tu

Good one!

[Extra Stout]

200k home in san fran is like stepping into the 3rd world.
200k home in Houston gets you 2500 square feet and a pool.

[Extra Stout]

Have you seen areas in SF where homes are 200k? I didn't think so. Maybe it's a Tx. or Mich. thing.
It's an "everywhere in the country except the coasts" thing.

[clambake]

It's an "everywhere in the country except the coasts" thing.

I know that Extra. 200k in SF would buy you a tuff shed, installation included.

[RandomGuy]

One Week's Groceries

12 frozen chicken breasts = 10.00
Rice = 1.00
Pasta or Top Ramen (lots of it) = 1.00
Spaghetti sauce = 1.00
3 cans of tuna = 2.25
Mayo = 1.00 (a jar will last you at least a month, so you don't put the whole price per week)
Cereal = 2.00
Milk = 3.00
Bread = 1.00
Eggs = 1.00
Ham = 2.00
Frozen mixed Vegetables = 1.00
Beans = 1.00
Kool-Aid (or even better Flavor-Aid) = 12 packs for 1.00

Grand Total = $28.25

It's very easy for one person to eat on $155/month.

This seems to be a bit understated. It might be interesting to get some exact figures, and see just how many meals this would make, but my guess is that these amounts are a bit short of 7 days worth of food.

I would point out that it also does not meet nutritional requirements for vegetables and fruit, much as the OP stated when the nutritionist actually looked at what could be bought. The above food offering includes just two or three servings of vegetables, if you count the spaghetti sauce.

Just in case anybody else tries to do math, I would point out that, on average, a month has 4.33 weeks, not 4. (52 weeks per year, divided by 12)

[RandomGuy]

It's an "everywhere in the country except the coasts" thing.

Considering that 75% of US population lives within 50 miles of the coastline, that excludes an awful lot of people.

[RandomGuy]

5 cans of Tuna = 2.50

Wheat Bread = 1.25

Milk = 4 .00

Mayo = 1.25

Generic Cereal = 2.50

5 Lean Gourmet Michellina's @ .89 = 5.00

baby carrots = 2.00

eggs = 1.50

bacon or chorizo =1.89

bag of Corn Tortilla chips = 1.50

Salsa = 1.89

1 40 0z of Del Sol beer for a spurs game = 2.00


weeks worth of Groceries..... $27.23



Giving Bohemian Upperclass Democrats 28 dollars to spend for groceries for a week as a social experiment, and then turn around and bitch becuase a pound of Chipotle Belgium Chocolate, Ammeretto Saffron Almonds at the Whole Foods cost 12 bucks and their organic peanut butter and vegan jelly made them go bankrupt...... priceless


But for everything else theres the U. S. Of A voting registration card, never go an election with out it.

I tried to figure if this was enough food and came up about 3.5 to 5 meals short. It would be interesting to see if anyone could actually live on this.

This also includes only two or three servings of vegetables, and NO fruit.

Scurvy anyone?

Heh.

[Extra Stout]

Considering that 75% of US population lives within 50 miles of the coastline, that excludes an awful lot of people.
Unless you are including the low-cost Gulf Coast, and the "coasts" of the Great Lakes in that figure, I call BS.

[PixelPusher]

5 cans of Tuna = 2.50

Wheat Bread = 1.25

Milk = 4 .00

Mayo = 1.25

Generic Cereal = 2.50

5 Lean Gourmet Michellina's @ .89 = 5.00

baby carrots = 2.00

eggs = 1.50

bacon or chorizo =1.89

bag of Corn Tortilla chips = 1.50

Salsa = 1.89

1 40 0z of Del Sol beer for a spurs game = 2.00

I don't think those baby carrots are enough to offset the hypertension from the excess sodium you'd get from that diet.

[xrayzebra]

Gee, how about just getting a job. Employment rate at a
historical all time low. And if we get rid of the ILLEGALS wages
will rise so everyone can have a chicken in the oven......

Gee, now that's an idea, ILLEGALS are depressing wages and
taxpayers have to give foodstamps that wont cover the cost of
food......hmmmmmmm. What is wrong with this picture.

[Kori Ellis]

This seems to be a bit understated. It might be interesting to get some exact figures, and see just how many meals this would make, but my guess is that these amounts are a bit short of 7 days worth of food.

I would point out that it also does not meet nutritional requirements for vegetables and fruit, much as the OP stated when the nutritionist actually looked at what could be bought. The above food offering includes just two or three servings of vegetables, if you count the spaghetti sauce.

Just in case anybody else tries to do math, I would point out that, on average, a month has 4.33 weeks, not 4. (52 weeks per year, divided by 12)

I don't think it's short of seven days of food. 12 chicken breasts and 3 cans of tuna gives you 15 meals right there - there's only 14 lunch/dinners in a week. Throw in a head of lettuce, some broccoli and a bag of apples and you are still under budget at about $32 for a week. (Multiply that by 4.33 and you stilll good to go).

[smeagol]

Gee, how about just getting a job. Employment rate at a
historical all time low. And if we get rid of the ILLEGALS wages
will rise so everyone can have a chicken in the oven......

Gee, now that's an idea, ILLEGALS are depressing wages and
taxpayers have to give foodstamps that wont cover the cost of
food......hmmmmmmm. What is wrong with this picture.


Illegals are the root of all of America's problems.

Well said, old timer!

[Nbadan]

Yeah, let's force kids to work and cut a program that is actually helping people get off welfare...


Four members of Congress are completing the weeklong "Food Stamp Challenge" Monday by eating on the average federal assistance provided to food stamp recipients: $21 per week, which works out to $3 a day or $1 a meal.

Reps. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.), Jo Ann Emerson (D-Mo.), Tim Ryan (D-Ohio), and Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) - all members of the House Hunger Caucus - were trying to raise awareness after the introduction of the Feeding America's Families Act, which would add $4 billion to the annual food stamp budget. Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski, also a Democrat, took the challenge last month.

Talk about putting your money where your mouth is.

On their blogs, the participating members of Congress seemed genuinely humbled and moved by experiencing the plight faced by too many Americans, even if only for a week. About 26 million of us get food stamps, and the demographic breakdown from a 2005 government study may surprise you. Half of recipients are children and 8% are 60 or older. Many recipients have jobs: 40% of participating individuals worked or at least lived in a household with earnings.

The study also suggests that the food stamp program is helping people get off welfare and into the workforce: "In 1990, 42 percent of all food stamp households received cash welfare benefits and only 19 percent had earnings. In 2005, only 15 percent received cash welfare, while 29 percent had earnings."

Buzzflash (http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/245)

[Nbadan]

From what I read, this "challenge" will only go on for one week. Not nearly long enough to get any sense of what it is like to live on a poverty budget. Wait until they have a toothache that there is no money to attend to, and you just learn to live with it, year after year. Some of the phony replies on whether or not it was "easy" to live on this or that extremely small budget, all suffered from the same lack of comprehension, like those globalists who believe that if you raise the price of gas at the pumps to price-gouging level, that people will "drive less." This only works for rich people, who are using their vehicles when they don't have to. Poor people who already only use them for work, with longer and longer commutes nowadays as the trend of business-district-consolidation-away-from-neighborhoods continues, can't reduce their driving any more, unless they don't go to work. There is some of the same kind of lack of comprehension, as some people appear to be unaware of how much money is actually needed to live on.

I heard Representative Jim McGovern on the Floor of the House on C-SPAN, talking about how "cranky" they got from the lack of food for the week, and knew then that these rich people understood nothing. "Cranky" is so cute; about as cute as the stupid rich people who claim to live on a dollar a meal in threads like this. If you read some of these posts, the impression I get--besides the unending, insufferable rich people posture that they are such clever shoppers, so good with money and bargains, know where to shop, blah, blah, blah--is that they are actually taking their SUVs far beyind where poor people could walk to, buying hundreds of dollars of bulk purchases, far more than $1 a meal, then falsely averaging the total result downward to a mythical single-meal figure, cutting out reference to any purchases they don't want to bother remembering. They are really on budgets of hundreds of dollars, oblivious, yet always lecturing. When you can go to a store and buy a few condiments, spending $20 or $30, having bought no actual food yet, and when $200 does not fill up a cart anymore as it used to, when coupons are more and more manipulatively written so that you have to buy 5 of an item, where you only wanted one, or have to waste a stamp you don't have to send it in for a rebate rather than just getting the money back at your convenience, not theirs--making all these coupons worthless--and when you only have one store selection in your neighborhood because the car is not running right or you were trying to save the gas for work again, then all of this "I am the superior shopper" shit is completely worthless blather.

[RandomGuy]

Considering that 75% of US population lives within 50 miles of the coastline, that excludes an awful lot of people.


Unless you are including the low-cost Gulf Coast, and the "coasts" of the Great Lakes in that figure, I call BS.

That does include the Gulf coast.

I will have to find the link then. I may be off a bit on the actual percentage (it was about 2/3 or 3/4), but the premise still holds.

[E20]

So, you can use food stamps at McDonalds and fast food joints?

[sickdsm]

Fuck that pisses me off. I bust my ass working and guess what? I don't even allow myself to buy the foods i want. Shove some calories in your piehole. Most fucking people DON'T buy fresh fruit, produce and organic yak milk as much as needed.



Shut the fuck up and eat whatever you can get.

[gtownspur]

I don't think those baby carrots are enough to offset the hypertension from the excess sodium you'd get from that diet.



Sweat it off and throw some bannanas in the mix.


Quit being a bunch of whiny bitch liberals.

[gtownspur]

I tried to figure if this was enough food and came up about 3.5 to 5 meals short. It would be interesting to see if anyone could actually live on this.

This also includes only two or three servings of vegetables, and NO fruit.

Scurvy anyone?

Heh.



take away the mayo, and the beer and buy ham and cheese and a cheap loaf, and that gives you another 8 meals.


or just take away the beer and buy twenty packs of ramen.


How much of a crock do liberals get.

[gtownspur]

Bag of Rice=1.50
Bag of Beans= 1.00
Salsa = 1.89
50 ct tortillas = 3.00
eggs = 1.00
5 1bs of Ground beef = 5.00
20 ramen noodles @ 2.5
Romain lettuce = 1.25
Cottage cheese =1.5
Cherry tomatoes = 2.00
Red onions = 2/1.00
1/2 gallon of soy milk = 2.00
Bologna = 1.00
Weenies =.89
Bread = 1
1 can of Spinach= .50
I bag of mixed veggies = 1

total........................ 28.03

[gtownspur]

Those coastal Mississippi's and Alabama markets are sure high these days.

[gtownspur]

They dont have walmarts in those coastal towns like Houston, and New orleans.

[velik_m]

I don't think it's short of seven days of food. 12 chicken breasts and 3 cans of tuna gives you 15 meals right there - there's only 14 lunch/dinners in a week. Throw in a head of lettuce, some broccoli and a bag of apples and you are still under budget at about $32 for a week. (Multiply that by 4.33 and you stilll good to go).

Breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

[sabar]

I could live off the money easy.

2 boxes of Cheerios or any nutritional cereal: $8.00
1 quart of 2% milk: $3.00

Bam, 18 meals for $11.00

If you don't want to develop strange diseases from vitamin and mineral loss, then choose your solution:

fruit bars: 6 for $4.00
100 multi-vitamins: $13.00

Chicken meat is cheap and easy to cook if you want to mix it up week-to-week. Canned tuna is cheap and doesn't even need to be cooked.

I pretty much already live off cheerios, raisin bran, bananas, chicken and water. I rarely consume vegetables (extreme dislike aside from corn and celery) and I'm not riddled with disease.

Bunch of hype over nothing.

[Saguaro]

That does include the Gulf coast.

I will have to find the link then. I may be off a bit on the actual percentage (it was about 2/3 or 3/4), but the premise still holds.
I'm a troll.

[SA210]

We are talking about healthy food right?

[gtownspur]

We are talking about healthy food right?


no, We're just talking about poor urban people appreciating flaxseed chimichangas, fiji water, and wheatbran tofu ricebowls.

[Kori Ellis]

Breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

I included plenty of cereal, milk, eggs, toast, fruit for breakfast.

Bottom frickin line is that you guys shouldn't sit here and worry about the nutritional value. You can definitely eat healthy enough on $155 per month. And guess what? It isn't supposed to be your life long diet. You need to find a job - you aren't supposed live on food stamps forever. So who cares if you are only get 72% of your required Vitamin B12 or whatever the hell for a few months.

[gtownspur]

I included plenty of cereal, milk, eggs, toast, fruit for breakfast.

Bottom frickin line is that you guys shouldn't sit here and worry about the nutritional value. You can definitely eat healthy enough on $155 per month. And guess what? It isn't supposed to be your life long diet. You need to find a job - you aren't supposed live on food stamps forever. So who cares if you are only get 72% of your required Vitamin B12 or whatever the hell for a few months.


Hey, i wanno rabbit food yo, give me a whopper biotch.

yey yey.

[RandomGuy]

I do think about $155 is reasonable for one person for a month and provides a good balance of foods, never said it wasn't. :p

Kory is exactly right, that it shouldn't be permanent, and missing out on a little bit of any particular vitamin will not be fatal, but good nutrition helps to keep people healthy, which keeps them able to work.

The other thing one needs to consider is neo-natal development when it comes to pregnant and nursing women. That is one of the reasons for the excellent WIC program.

[gtownspur]

I do think about $155 is reasonable for one person for a month and provides a good balance of foods, never said it wasn't. :p

Kory is exactly right, that it shouldn't be permanent, and missing out on a little bit of any particular vitamin will not be fatal, but good nutrition helps to keep people healthy, which keeps them able to work.

The other thing one needs to consider is neo-natal development when it comes to pregnant and nursing women. That is one of the reasons for the excellent WIC program.


Truth is, if you give a raise of 25 dollars, all they're gonna do is go out and buy a brisket slab and a pack of Corona.

[Nbadan]

I included plenty of cereal, milk, eggs, toast, fruit for breakfast.

Bottom frickin line is that you guys shouldn't sit here and worry about the nutritional value. You can definitely eat healthy enough on $155 per month. And guess what? It isn't supposed to be your life long diet. You need to find a job - you aren't supposed live on food stamps forever. So who cares if you are only get 72% of your required Vitamin B12 or whatever the hell for a few months.

Maybe you missed it, but I already posted that most people use this program to help supplement their low pay, mostly in the service and retail sector. Those that don't work are kids, the very elderly, and the feeble. Kids make up a huge majority of those, you want them to work?

[Kori Ellis]

Maybe you missed it, but I already posted that most people use this program to help supplement their low pay, mostly in the service and retail sector. Those that don't work are kids, the very elderly, and the feeble. Kids make up a huge majority of those, you want them to work?

No, I want you to realize two things.

1. It's very possible to eat healthy on $155. Very very easily for a couple months. And not that incredibly hard even if you want to stay on long-term.

2. People are supposed to get off food stamps.

[gtownspur]

Maybe you missed it, but I already posted that most people use this program to help supplement their low pay, mostly in the service and retail sector. Those that don't work are kids, the very elderly, and the feeble. Kids make up a huge majority of those, you want them to work?


They get free lunches at the school, and end up going to summer school for free along with a free lunch.

That's one hundred and fifty five dollars to buy them a months supply of cereal milk for breakfast, some snacks, and the rest you can just buy discount meats, and buy frozen pizzas, and RIce a ronis and hamburger helper.

[gtownspur]

No, I want you to realize two things.

1. It's very possible to eat healthy on $155. Very very easily for a couple months. And not that incredibly hard even if you want to stay on long-term.

2. People are supposed to get off food stamps.

Nbadan just feels sorry for the poor kids becuase you wont be able to budget in Spiderman Capri Sun into their diet.

And a childhood w/o Spiderman Capri Sun and Shrek poptarts is no childhood at all.

[Nbadan]

No, I want you to realize two things.

1. It's very possible to eat healthy on $155. Very very easily for a couple months. And not that incredibly hard even if you want to stay on long-term.

2. People are supposed to get off food stamps.

How do you get someone with a fixed income and mouths to feed off a food aid?

[gtownspur]

Not to mention that kids eat fewer portions as well as the elderly.

[Kori Ellis]

One Week's Groceries

12 frozen chicken breasts = 10.00
Rice = 1.00
Pasta or Top Ramen (lots of it) = 1.00
Spaghetti sauce = 1.00
3 cans of tuna = 2.25
Mayo = 1.00 (a jar will last you at least a month, so you don't put the whole price per week)
Cereal = 2.00
Milk = 3.00
Bread = 1.00
Eggs = 1.00
Ham = 2.00
Frozen mixed Vegetables = 1.00
Broccoli = 2.00
Spinach = 2.00
Beans = 1.00
Tomatoes = 1.00
Bag of Apples/oranges = 3.00
Kool-Aid (or even better Flavor-Aid) = 12 packs for 1.00
Multi-vitamins = FREE if you are on government assistance

Grand Total = $36.25

Nutritional.
Plenty of meals.
Fruits for snacks.
Vitamins provided.

[gtownspur]

How do you get someone with a fixed income and mouths to feed off a food aid?


1.get a better job, or get two.

2.Strip.

[Nbadan]

They get free lunches at the school, and end up going to summer school for free along with a free lunch.

That's one hundred and fifty five dollars to buy them a months supply of cereal milk for breakfast, some snacks, and the rest you can just buy discount meats, and buy frozen pizzas, and RIce a ronis and hamburger helper.

Where's the fruits and veggies?

[Nbadan]

get a better job, or get two.

Strip.

Yeah, child labor is the answer!

:rolleyes

[Kori Ellis]

Where's the fruits and veggies?

Read my list.

I know you want to cry for them. But don't.

$155 is definitely enough to eat healthy.

[gtownspur]

Where's the fruits and veggies?

buy them, their with in the budget, you have 155 dollars to feed for a whole month since the kids go to school, and get a free lunch.

Take them to VBS.

[Nbadan]

One Week's Groceries

12 frozen chicken breasts = 10.00
Rice = 1.00
Pasta or Top Ramen (lots of it) = 1.00
Spaghetti sauce = 1.00
3 cans of tuna = 2.25
Mayo = 1.00 (a jar will last you at least a month, so you don't put the whole price per week)
Cereal = 2.00
Milk = 3.00
Bread = 1.00
Eggs = 1.00
Ham = 2.00
Frozen mixed Vegetables = 1.00
Broccoli = 2.00
Spinach = 2.00
Beans = 1.00
Tomatoes = 1.00
Bag of Apples/oranges = 3.00
Kool-Aid (or even better Flavor-Aid) = 12 packs for 1.00
Multi-vitamins = FREE if you are on government assistance

Grand Total = $36.25

Nutritional.
Plenty of meals.
Fruits for snacks.
Vitamins provided.


Once again, your assuming that the poor have the ability to shop around for good food specials and can ration their food so that it doesn't spoil. Most markets in lower income areas don't accommodate lower income life-styles. They try and take advantage of them. You can budget your food because you have the gas and the vehicle to shop around and you probably still spend a hundred dollars a pop at the store and don't blink an eye. That your bias.

[Kori Ellis]

Once again, your assuming that the poor have the ability to shop around for good food specials and can ration their food so that it doesn't spoil. Most markets in lower income areas don't accommodate lower income life-styles. They try and take advantage of them. You can budget your food because you have the gas and the vehicle to shop around and you probably still spend a hundred dollars a pop at the store and don't blink an eye. That your bias.


I worked with kids for several years in inner city Los Angeles, so I'm fully aware of their disadvantages. But, no matter how bleeding heart you want to be, $155 isn't that bad for a month of groceries for one person. No matter where you are shopping.

Okay, I'm back out of the Political Forum for another few months. Thanks for the discussion. :)

[Nbadan]

I worked with kids for several years in inner city Los Angeles, so I'm fully aware of their disadvantages. But, no matter how bleeding heart you want to be, $155 isn't that bad for a month of groceries for one person. No matter where you are shopping.

Okay, I'm back out of the Political Forum for another few months. Thanks for the discussion. :)

We agree to disagree then. Good to have you around Kori, we will have some very interesting discussions.

[RandomGuy]

Truth is, if you give a raise of 25 dollars, all they're gonna do is go out and buy a brisket slab and a pack of Corona.

(shrugs)

People will always abuse any system.

Like it or not, some people will require help from time to time in any system, especially a free market one.

I have this discussion with my libertarian friends all the time. I would rather put up with a certain level of fraud and abuse, than to have people literally starving in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

I am not saying that abuse should be ignored or unpunished, and there certainly should be an audit system in place, but the end goal of helping those who genuinely need it outweighs any quibbling over 10 or 20 bucks in benefits.

[RandomGuy]

1.get a better job, or get two.

2.Strip.

... and if you have kids that are too young to put into school?

Daycare for small children will eat a $6.00/hr paycheck or two very fast, and those kids in daycare WILL get sick.

[gtownspur]

... and if you have kids that are too young to put into school?

Daycare for small children will eat a $6.00/hr paycheck or two very fast, and those kids in daycare WILL get sick.


wic

[clambake]

Daycare cost a fortune. Would you like these kids to go to school year round just for the meals? Should they just stop eating for summertime? Should the parents just lock the kids in a closet until they get home from work? Are there any solutions that accompany this outrage about 155 fucking, lame dollars?

[gtownspur]

Daycare cost a fortune. Would you like these kids to go to school year round just for the meals? Should they just stop eating for summertime? Should the parents just lock the kids in a closet until they get home from work? Are there any solutions that accompany this outrage about 155 fucking, lame dollars?


155 damn dollars will get those kids some damn 155 dollars worth of cereals and milk, sandwiches, and a meat portion and macaroni for dinner, or someother pasta.

Unless your kid eats a fuckin triceratops for brunch, i dont see how you could not get those kids any food.

Consider that those same people that have foodstamps happen to be some of the hugest lardasses ever, your point is moot.

[gtownspur]

Daycare cost a fortune. Would you like these kids to go to school year round just for the meals? Should they just stop eating for summertime? Should the parents just lock the kids in a closet until they get home from work? Are there any solutions that accompany this outrage about 155 fucking, lame dollars?


Ever heard of Head Start?

[clambake]

Why do lump each of them together, and suggest that all programs are available to them?

You must really be pissed at public housing, HUD.

[SA210]

Why do lump each of them together, and suggest that all programs are available to them?

You must really be pissed at public housing, HUD.
gtown is among the many people in this country that think they know what it is to be poor but have no idea whatsoever.

[01Snake]

How do you get someone with a fixed income and mouths to feed off a food aid?

You give them free condoms and tell them to STOP THE FUCK HAVING KIDS! The more kids you have the more $$ your mooching off the rest of us busting our asses to make a living.

[01Snake]

gtown is among the many people in this country that think they know what it is to be poor but have no idea whatsoever.

And you're among the many people in this country that thinks it's everyone's job to take care of the lazy...err....less fortunate.

Sure some people need assistance but I see a SHITLOAD of people that are just straight up lazy and would rather sit at home and watch Springer then get a fucking job.

[E20]

So, you can use food stamps at McDonalds and fast food joints?

[gtownspur]

gtown is among the many people in this country that think they know what it is to be poor but have no idea whatsoever.


Help those who help themselves.

This means that everyone should be given a chance to recupirate, but if they repeatedly make the same mistakes, give to those who really are in need.


There's a difference between being charitable and being a sucker.

[SA210]

And you're among the many people in this country that thinks it's everyone's job to take care of the lazy...err....less fortunate.

Sure some people need assistance but I see a SHITLOAD of people that are just straight up lazy and would rather sit at home and watch Springer then get a fucking job.

Help those who help themselves.

This means that everyone should be given a chance to recupirate, but if they repeatedly make the same mistakes, give to those who really are in need.


There's a difference between being charitable and being a sucker.
You know, if you get foodstamps, you are required to work.
(unless of course you are legally disabled)
Of course, these are things that you would like to ignore or simply just don't know.

[gtownspur]

You know, if you get foodstamps, you are required to work.
(unless of course you are legally disabled)
Of course, these are things that you would like to ignore or simply just don't know.


Okay, that does not help your argument.


155 dollars per person is enough to feed people with work as a supplement.

Gtown 1

Sa210 O

[E20]

Somebody answer my question. FUCK.

[PixelPusher]

Okay, that does not help your argument.


155 dollars per person is enough to feed people with work as a supplement.

Gtown 1

Sa210 O
Yeah, you tell her Gtown! It's not like they have to spend any of their their work income on rent, transportation, clothes...

Seriously, did poor people take a dump on your lawn or key your car? Why the hostility?

[gtownspur]

Yeah, you tell her Gtown! It's not like they have to spend any of their their work income on rent, transportation, clothes...

Seriously, did poor people take a dump on your lawn or key your car? Why the hostility?


Did poor people give you a good ass fucking, seriously why all the slobbing on their knobs part.

[gtownspur]

Somebody answer my question. FUCK.

Ask SA210

[Nbadan]

Somebody answer my question. FUCK.

no.

[E20]

no.
Why not? Foodstamps are used to buy Food Products, right?

I will list some items and tell me if it is food products or not:
French Fries/Onion Rings/Nachos
Coke/Dr.Pepper/Cherry Coke/Pepsi
Quarter Pounder/Big Mac/Whopper/Single Classic/Jumbo Jack/Grilled Stuffed Burrito
McFlurry


Someone tell me why Food Stamps cannot buy you food that is made fast. That is a contradiction of the name of the currency. :madrun

If no one can answer this or they don't change it then this country isn't so great after all.

[TDMVPDPOY]

you can basicall buy a box of noodles mi goreng which only cost like 20-30cents at ur local asian grocery store, just stock them up with SPAM, lettucs, eggs...and you can tank it :D:D

[RandomGuy]

gtown is among the many people in this country that think they know what it is to be poor but have no idea whatsoever.

That is pretty much it in a nutshell.

I think it would be a fun experiment to give him an infant, plop him down in detriot or some other city far away from his family and see how well he does on his own while trying to take care of that kid until the kid is 18.

Not that I would wish gtown on a hapless infant... (poke in the ribs)

[RandomGuy]

So, you can use food stamps at McDonalds and fast food joints?

No. You are pretty much limited to the grocery store.

[01Snake]

I think it would be a fun experiment to give him an infant, plop him down in detriot or some other city far away from his family and see how well he does on his own while trying to take care of that kid until the kid is 18.



Here is a better idea. DON'T HAVE A KID IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO RAISE IT! Geez, I'm broke as fuck and can barely get by on my own so you know what? I'm gonna go have me a kid. I know if I do, Uncle Sam will support me so I'll actually be even better off than I am now.

I can feel for the disabled and elderly but I'd like the see the breakdown of exactly who is permanently attached to the Government tit.

[Soul_Patch]

All i know is i cannot leave the damn grocery store for under 100 bucks anymore.


and half the time its a hundred bucks worth of bullshit. Im the worst grocery shopper ever.

Why is it i go to my moms open the cabinet and she has a bounty of crap...alll this stuff i never even knew existed at the grocery store. She could literally go for about 4 months without ever going back to the store.


I come home after spending 180 dollars, and i got some spaghetti, cat food, a few cans of green beans, and these bad ass granola bars ill finish by tommorrow morning.

[RandomGuy]

Here is a better idea. DON'T HAVE A KID IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO RAISE IT! Geez, I'm broke as fuck and can barely get by on my own so you know what? I'm gonna go have me a kid. I know if I do, Uncle Sam will support me so I'll actually be even better off than I am now.

I can feel for the disabled and elderly but I'd like the see the breakdown of exactly who is permanently attached to the Government tit.

You have completely missed the point.

Like it or not, kids happen. However you judge the people responsible for that, YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE KIDS, YOU FUCKWIT.

Yes, we should encourage people not to have kids they can't afford.

BUT

There will be poor kids out there no matter what.

We can be judgemental and say "fuck 'em" and then try to act all surprised when they grow up to be burdens on the system, or we can actually deal with reality and set aside useless ideology and make sure those kids are given all the chances they can get so we don't have to pay for their jails cells at 50K+ per year.

I would rather spend the money more effectively up front to make sure that all kids get decent nutrition and health care, than to piss and moan uselessly about morality and "kids these days" while ignoring problems.

[gtownspur]

You have completely missed the point.

Like it or not, kids happen. However you judge the people responsible for that, YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE KIDS, YOU FUCKWIT.

Yes, we should encourage people not to have kids they can't afford.

BUT

There will be poor kids out there no matter what.

We can be judgemental and say "fuck 'em" and then try to act all surprised when they grow up to be burdens on the system, or we can actually deal with reality and set aside useless ideology and make sure those kids are given all the chances they can get so we don't have to pay for their jails cells at 50K+ per year.

I would rather spend the money more effectively up front to make sure that all kids get decent nutrition and health care, than to piss and moan uselessly about morality and "kids these days" while ignoring problems.


you're right, IF those poor kids had recieved Spiderman Capri Sun and shrek poptarts, they wouldn't grow up to be serial killers.

[clambake]

you're right, IF those poor kids had recieved Spiderman Capri Sun and shrek poptarts, they wouldn't grow up to be serial killers.

Are you just throwing spitballs? Nobody is that stupid.

[01Snake]

Like it or not, kids happen. However you judge the people responsible for that, YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE KIDS, YOU FUCKWIT.



Fuckwit?? :jack

Yep, kids just happen. This is especially true when were are taking about people who can't afford to have them. They just keep on having them. So now we have to deal with the ones we have now AND the ones they have another nine months down the road.

[gtownspur]

Are you just throwing spitballs? Nobody is that stupid.

ask Sa210, she'd probably lie about people ever cheating the system, but i've been to people's homes who have recieved foodstamps and they had more "snacks" , sugary shit, than i've seen in my cupboard growing up.

[gtownspur]

That is pretty much it in a nutshell.

I think it would be a fun experiment to give him an infant, plop him down in detriot or some other city far away from his family and see how well he does on his own while trying to take care of that kid until the kid is 18.

Not that I would wish gtown on a hapless infant... (poke in the ribs)


I'd feed him barbacoa and corn tortillas for breakfast, and steaks and ribs for dinner on the second job i had, and turn him into a linebacker, and then get my nice suburban home in San Diego courtesy of Pete Carroll.

[SA210]

Okay, that does not help your argument.


155 dollars per person is enough to feed people with work as a supplement.

Gtown 1

Sa210 O
Scratch that.

Sa210 + 100000
gtown -100000 (from losing every other arguement ever with me) :lol


1st of all, it's not 155 per person, only for the 1st person it's around that. Then about only 100 per person after that. But again you wouldn't really know these things.

And considering that the income they are getting isn't enough to pay anything, you are wrong about that as well.

You know, gasoline cost the same for everyone, no matter how much you make. To fill a tank for some it takes about 1-2 full days of work for that alone, then the other 2 or 3 days of work for other life and living expenses.

Then there are those who don't have transportaion who struggle hours of each day on the bus going and coming alone, trying to make time and to make ends meet along with their work schedule that fits with the daycare schedule to be able to pick the kids up, to even have time to spend for family time, homework, "to raise their kids right so they don't grow up criminals", etc.

I haven't even scratched the surface with what you guys don't know.

:sleep

[johnsmith]

Are you just throwing spitballs? Nobody is that stupid.


Pot, meet kettle. That's all you ever do in this forum is throw spitballs.

[clambake]

Pot, meet kettle. That's all you ever do in this forum is throw spitballs.


Good one.

[johnsmith]

Good one.


Truth hurts doesn't it bitch?

[xrayzebra]

Interesting fact. Foods stamps have not been around forever.
It was an act of a dimm-o-crap congress back in the LBJ days.

Funny thing, no one starved before they came into being. Yeah,
we had welfare, but that is what it was, welfare, you lined up to
get it. No one starved.

[clambake]

Truth hurts doesn't it bitch?

You're starting to act like that little girl with a crush again.

[johnsmith]

You're starting to act like that little girl with a crush again.


Spitball shot via clambake.

[gtownspur]

Scratch that.

Sa210 + 100000
gtown -100000 (from losing every other arguement ever with me) :lol


1st of all, it's not 155 per person, only for the 1st person it's around that. Then about only 100 per person after that. But again you wouldn't really know these things.

And considering that the income they are getting isn't enough to pay anything, you are wrong about that as well.

You know, gasoline cost the same for everyone, no matter how much you make. To fill a tank for some it takes about 1-2 full days of work for that alone, then the other 2 or 3 days of work for other life and living expenses.

Then there are those who don't have transportaion who struggle hours of each day on the bus going and coming alone, trying to make time and to make ends meet along with their work schedule that fits with the daycare schedule to be able to pick the kids up, to even have time to spend for family time, homework, "to raise their kids right so they don't grow up criminals", etc.

I haven't even scratched the surface with what you guys don't know.

:sleep

seems you don't know yourself either about the specifics of the program.


Heres the specifics per the USDA website..

8. How is each household's food stamp allotment determined?


Eligible households are issued a monthly allotment of food stamps based on the Thrifty Food Plan, a low-cost model diet plan. The TFP is based on National Academy of Sciences’ Recommended Dietary Allowances, and on food choices of low-income households.

An individual household's food stamp allotment is equal to the maximum allotment for that household's size, less 30 percent of the household's net income. Households with no countable income receive the maximum allotment ($408 per month in Fiscal Year 2007 for a household of three people). Allotment levels are higher for Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, and the Virgin Islands, reflecting higher food prices in those areas.

[01Snake]

So I guess the solution is to continue fucking the hardworking taxpayer in order to support the poor. The least they could do is come over and mow my lawn before stealing my money.

[SA210]

seems you don't know yourself either about the specifics of the program.


Heres the specifics per the USDA website..

8. How is each household's food stamp allotment determined?


Eligible households are issued a monthly allotment of food stamps based on the Thrifty Food Plan, a low-cost model diet plan. The TFP is based on National Academy of Sciences’ Recommended Dietary Allowances, and on food choices of low-income households.

An individual household's food stamp allotment is equal to the maximum allotment for that household's size, less 30 percent of the household's net income. Households with no countable income receive the maximum allotment ($408 per month in Fiscal Year 2007 for a household of three people). Allotment levels are higher for Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, and the Virgin Islands, reflecting higher food prices in those areas.
What is your point? They go by giving the 1st over 100, then the rest about a hundred each, when they give the maximium of course. It's less however depending on the income. So I don't get how you think you've told me something I didn't already know. I've personally worked at DHS. Don't talk to me like You know what you're talking about. The life of the poor is something you just don't understand, if you did, you wouldn't act like this.

[gtownspur]

What is your point? They go by giving the 1st over 100, then the rest about a hundred each, when they give the maximium of course. It's less however depending on the income. So I don't get how you think you've told me something I didn't already know. I've personally worked at DHS. Don't talk to me like You know what you're talking about. The life of the poor is something you just don't understand, if you did, you wouldn't act like this.


THis is a free country, and if you can't handle another side then go to the club forum. I don't tell you what to do, so put back the victim card, as far as i'm concerned i was posting here first, so if anything you're trying to tell me what to think.

And another thing, is you also don't know where i'm from, so don't ride a high horse here.

You obviously weren't aware of the policy and you were pulling figures out of nowhere, that's why i provided the link.

[clambake]

Hey G, how do feel about public housing, section 8?

[Marcus Bryant]

Philosophically, government run charity for the have-nots isn't a great thing to me. But I'm not up at arms about it. Let's take away government granted charity for the haves first.

[dallaskd]

that would suck dick.

[SA210]

THis is a free country, and if you can't handle another side then go to the club forum. I don't tell you what to do, so put back the victim card, as far as i'm concerned i was posting here first, so if anything you're trying to tell me what to think.

And another thing, is you also don't know where i'm from, so don't ride a high horse here.

You obviously weren't aware of the policy and you were pulling figures out of nowhere, that's why i provided the link.
My point was that I already know this info that You didn't know about, (that you had to go search for). What was your point? That's like you telling me that this is a public forum and we're having a debate. I already know that, but it doesn't make you right or mean that you really said anything. :lol

[gtownspur]

My point was that I already know this info that You didn't know about, (that you had to go search for). What was your point? That's like you telling me that this is a public forum and we're having a debate. I already know that, but it doesn't make you right or mean that you really said anything. :lol


You obviously didn't know the info, becuase your earlier claim was that you had to work to even recieve stamps, and that was proven wrong.

You also said that everyone else gets 100 dollars, and that was proven false.

[RandomGuy]

Fuckwit?? :jack

Yep, kids just happen. This is especially true when were are taking about people who can't afford to have them. They just keep on having them. So now we have to deal with the ones we have now AND the ones they have another nine months down the road.

Sorry about that.

Is this your opinion, or actually based on some data?

[RandomGuy]

So I guess the solution is to continue fucking the hardworking taxpayer in order to support the poor. The least they could do is come over and mow my lawn before stealing my money.

You're right we should throw "the poor" into work camps. That'll teach 'em not to be poor. :rolleyes

[leemajors]

You're right we should throw "the poor" into work camps. That'll teach 'em not to be poor. :rolleyes

they can have a canary, too.

[Extra Stout]

Philosophically, government run charity for the have-nots isn't a great thing to me. But I'm not up at arms about it. Let's take away government granted charity for the haves first.
:clap

[SA210]

You obviously didn't know the info, becuase your earlier claim was that you had to work to even recieve stamps, and that was proven wrong.

You also said that everyone else gets 100 dollars, and that was proven false.
Excuse me, but you do have to get a job if you are able to work, when recieving foodstamps. Call a local DHS office. You've proven nothing false. You think they just throw out figures on how much to give to families? You think a family of two would just get a thousand dollars in foodstamps? No, it's over a hundred for the parent and about a hundred for the child which would come to 278 for both the adult and the child (a family of two) which may have recently been raised a couple dollars actually. I broke it down on how they arrive at that amount (when it's the maximum), so you continue to be wrong and still don't understand what I'm talking about.

But I do apologize though, it was my fault, because I was speaking in terms that mostly people who know about these things firsthand would understand.


Households with no countable income receive the maximum allotment
There are households where the parent is legally disabled and cannot work.

This is why I say don't talk to me like you know about this when you don't. Search for all the links you want. Go into a local DHS office and ask questions so you can get a clue.

[01Snake]

You're right we should throw "the poor" into work camps. That'll teach 'em not to be poor. :rolleyes

Work camps? All I want is my yard mowed.

[violentkitten]

bustin rocks. that'll learn them.

[Flea]

If anyone knows of people who are on a limited food budget this is a wonderful program and it takes food stamps. There are several locations in San Antonio.

http://www.angelfoodministries.com

[Flea]

Oh and you don't have to qualify either for those of you who are single starving college students.

[batman2883]

Flea's Gettin On My Nerves

[Flea]

:wtf

[jacobdrj]

My family has been living on the food stamp diet for a few years now: My dad was injured in a car accident, and my mom can only find work occasionally. I go to school full time.

We eat pretty well. You can't be stupid with the food stamps. You can't go to a normal grocery store. You have to be smart and go to places like Aldi/Save-A-Lot/Pack'n-Save. You can't have ridiculous brand loyalties. You have to work to find coupons and other sales on things like milk. You have to have a good freezer, so when you do have sales, you can store the perishables for a long time. It is like anything else, save save save, and be smart with your money. Sure, you eat a lot of cottage cheese and vegetables, chicken and ground beef, and you don't get a steak every night, but if you know where to buy the stuff and how to cook, you don't have a problem.

[jacobdrj]

Hey G, how do feel about public housing, section 8?
Public housing does not make sense economically. It just lowers the standard of living while creating a shortage of houses, along with a black market of houses that is biased with long, long, long waiting lists.

With that said, some may feel it is better to have something, rather than nothing.

[gtownspur]

Excuse me, but you do have to get a job if you are able to work, when recieving foodstamps. Call a local DHS office. You've proven nothing false. You think they just throw out figures on how much to give to families? You think a family of two would just get a thousand dollars in foodstamps? No, it's over a hundred for the parent and about a hundred for the child which would come to 278 for both the adult and the child (a family of two) which may have recently been raised a couple dollars actually. I broke it down on how they arrive at that amount (when it's the maximum), so you continue to be wrong and still don't understand what I'm talking about.

But I do apologize though, it was my fault, because I was speaking in terms that mostly people who know about these things firsthand would understand.


There are households where the parent is legally disabled and cannot work.

This is why I say don't talk to me like you know about this when you don't. Search for all the links you want. Go into a local DHS office and ask questions so you can get a clue.


Now where did i make a claim like that, about a thousand dollars?

GO ahead and find the post in this thread or anywhere on this site and prove the ridiculous claim you try to put on me.

Is this how you win arguments? It seems pretty simple. All you have to do is repudiate talking points your opponent never made, and throw insults.

If you want to keep on arguing like this go to the College Sports forum where your ridiculous brand of strawman tactics and hyperbole fit.

Otherwise go back to your regular blowhard self indignant routine you play here.

[clambake]

Public housing does not make sense economically. It just lowers the standard of living while creating a shortage of houses, along with a black market of houses that is biased with long, long, long waiting lists.

With that said, some may feel it is better to have something, rather than nothing.
It does lower the standard of living, for tenants. Constant issues over repairs and the criminal enviornment. A real dead end. However, if you can purchase a large number of buildings and units that are tied to HUD and section 8, you could have a windfall. LA is the perfect example. You market yourself as a property management company, slap on a maintenence division to create constant income at inflated levels, and its all gravy.

You see, there are never any vacancies to the rent roll. If you lose a tenant, you win. Charge 3 times the actual cost of make ready, using your maint. div. that is stocked with cheap undocumented labor. Pass the cost on to the tax payer. All you need is one guy with a contractors license. Actually, you don't really need the guy, just the license.

[SA210]

Now where did i make a claim like that, about a thousand dollars?

GO ahead and find the post in this thread or anywhere on this site and prove the ridiculous claim you try to put on me.

Is this how you win arguments? It seems pretty simple. All you have to do is repudiate talking points your opponent never made, and throw insults.

If you want to keep on arguing like this go to the College Sports forum where your ridiculous brand of strawman tactics and hyperbole fit.

Otherwise go back to your regular blowhard self indignant routine you play here.
Man gtown, don't blow a gasket. Now, I don't need to win arguements by making statements up, that's more of a gtown tactic. I've only used facts with you, always, that's how you've always been shown to be wrong.

I never said that You said a family of two gets a thousand dollars, but I think you already know that's not what I meant. You know you were wrong so you gotta change the subject and complicate things and want to divert attention from the fact that you have it wrong on these subjects as usual. That's why your entire post is about This and not about everything else you were wrong about.

I was giving an example as to how they arrive at limits per family, because your ignorance doesn't allow you to understand the "100 dollars per person after the adult" statement.

In other words (example: do they just randomly say "Ok we'll give a family of two a thousand dollars")?

No, they don't. A family of two gets 278 for a reason. Over a hundred for the adult, (because adults eat more than kids), then about a hundred for the child, per child, and so on, hence the 278 for two people. If it were 3 people, it would be about a hundred more than that, etc. In the upper 300, lower 400 range.

Again, I apologize. I was speaking again, in terms that only people who know these things firsthand would understand.

[gtownspur]

Man gtown, don't blow a gasket. Now, I don't need to win arguements by making statements up, that's more of a gtown tactic. I've only used facts with you, always, that's how you've always been shown to be wrong.

I never said that You said a family of two gets a thousand dollars, but I think you already know that's not what I meant. You know you were wrong so you gotta change the subject and complicate things and want to divert attention from the fact that you have it wrong on these subjects as usual. That's why your entire post is about This and not about everything else you were wrong about.

I was giving an example as to how they arrive at limits per family, because your ignorance doesn't allow you to understand the "100 dollars per person after the adult" statement.

In other words (example: do they just randomly say "Ok we'll give a family of two a thousand dollars")?

No, they don't. A family of two gets 278 for a reason. Over a hundred for the adult, (because adults eat more than kids), then about a hundred for the child, per child, and so on, hence the 278 for two people. If it were 3 people, it would be about a hundred more than that, etc. In the upper 300, lower 400 range.

Again, I apologize. I was speaking again, in terms that only people who know these things firsthand would understand.


I'm sorry, I respect your sympathy for the downtrodden and all you do,.....but i don't think i'm arguing with a person with any sense of self awareness and honesty anymore, you are a fanatic.

You truly tried to exagerrate my claims, i never even gave an estimate, i only provided a link from the USDA that dispells your claim, and furthermore asserts that every food stamp recipient recieves their stamps based on their work as well, and not a 100 dollar award you have been spouting all along.

I'm sorry i only provided links that contradicted you and you only proceeded to weasel your way out of your self ownage.

Theres nothing for me to show.

I may be wrong on the moral issue of this, but any impartial observer will see you for your shameless tactics.

Have a nice day.

[SA210]

I'm sorry, I respect your sympathy for the downtrodden and all you do,.....but i don't think i'm arguing with a person with any sense of self awareness and honesty anymore, you are a fanatic.

You truly tried to exagerrate my claims, i never even gave an estimate, i only provided a link from the USDA that dispells your claim, and furthermore asserts that every food stamp recipient recieves their stamps based on their work as well, and not a 100 dollar award you have been spouting all along.

I'm sorry i only provided links that contradicted you and you only proceeded to weasel your way out of your self ownage.

Theres nothing for me to show.

I may be wrong on the moral issue of this, but any impartial observer will see you for your shameless tactics.

Have a nice day.
You are ridiculous. You have no idea how wrong you actually are, that is sad. I already explained that I never exagerrated your claims, I gave an example. If you would go back and read my posts, my examples were based on a family that recieves the "maximum" amount of foodstamps and how that is determined. Someone would have to be a moron to not know that someones work is also a determining factor. Again, I did work for DHS, and you actually think You can weasel out and make ridiculous accusations of me. :rolleyes

It's just that you have no 1st hand knowledge of what your talking about, that's why you don't understand. But sometimes you do understand, but pretend like you don't. You have proved nothing. Go to a foodstamp recipient and they will tell you that they roughly get about 100 per child, if you ask them. It's the kind of talk that people in these circumstances understand.

What's so difficult to understand about that? I should probably have nothing more to tell You, actually. You just don't see it. And honestly, you don't really want to. Seriously.

[smeagol]

Some people think the poor enjoy being poor.

And some others are simply not very charitable.

[xrayzebra]

Some people think the poor enjoy being poor.

And some others are simply not very charitable.

Most people do not stay poor all their life. That is a
fact.

[smeagol]

Most people do not stay poor all their life. That is a
fact.
In America, I guess.

Check out what goes on in Africa.

[BacktoBasics]

I got so tired of seeing people in line using their lonestar cards and then hoping into their new 35k SUV I just went ahead and got my own lonestar card. Can't beat them...join them.

[xrayzebra]

I got so tired of seeing people in line using their lonestar cards and then hoping into their new 35k SUV I just went ahead and got my own lonestar card. Can't beat them...join them.

And what kind of SUV do you drive?:toast

[BacktoBasics]

I don't. I don't even have two vehicles. We have one 1998 Ford F-150 we share to conserve on gas until we get another vehicle, I sold my other truck and sometimes carpool. It won't likely buy an SUV either. Maybe an Altima or Accord or something.

I get the lonestar recredited once a month around the middle of the month. Good thing my meatmarket takes it.

[BacktoBasics]

Food stamp bill today

43.00 choice bone-in rib-eyes

3.00 couple of cans of baked beans

26.00 two racks of baby backs

6.00 V & V sausage

4.00 couple of bottles of BBQ sauce

2.50 milk

Total 78.50.

Couple a hundred left over for the rest of the month. This card rocks.

[xrayzebra]

Hey they say some folks will give you cash at a discounted
price of course for the credit on your lonestar.

If you play it right it will make the payments on a new SUV

[BacktoBasics]

I do that all the time. I have some relatives that sell me the money on their lonestar card. 200 bucks lonestar money for 125 cash in their hand. Typical lonestar carriers are hard up for cash all the time.

Great way to save some extra money.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Gotto bump this thread

Australia soon to have same food stamp card like america :(

300bucks works out to be US$240-$260 a month for each family....ciggies n alcki not on list....

dont think it applies to single parents = lame