Kevin Garnett vs. Tim Duncan

[Sec24Row7]

Kevin Garnett vs. Tim Duncan: A Comparison of Two of the League's Best Big Men
Posted May 17th 2007 7:00AM by Nate Jones
Filed under: Timberwolves, Spurs, Western



Recently there have been a lot of articles comparing Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. ESPN's Bill Simmon's thinks Duncan's better, while stat guru David Beri seems to think Garnett is better. In addition, TrueHoop reader and Marketing Professor, Kenneth Wilbur seems to think the Duncan is better.

Here's my opinion: Kevin Garnett is the more talented player, but as of now, Tim Duncan is the better player. My reason for this falls along the same line as Wilbur's. Basically I believe Duncan is a better player because he utilizes his talents in a more efficient manner than KG.

Kevin Garnett is a better rebounder, passer, and defender than Tim Duncan. He is also a better athlete with a more complete offensive game.(ROFL) But unlike Duncan, Garnett refuses to utilize his best offensive weapon. Kevin Garnett is just as unstoppable on the low post as Tim Duncan.(ROFL) Yet Garnett doesn't utilize the low post as an offensive weapon the way Duncan does.



Sometimes, even with a player as talented as Garnett, it's necessary to sacrifice other parts of your game in order to enhance another more important part of it. For example, Garnett can hit a twenty foot jump shot. Although not as consistent as Garnett's, Duncan also has a pretty nice jumper. Yet Duncan has sacrificed showing some of his versatility in favor of what works best for winning. When KG sits out there on the perimeter he is a less efficient player. On the perimeter he takes lower percentage shots and is not in a position where he can draw double teams, capture offensive boards, and set up teammates. And as Wilbur pointed out, it's easier for defenders to rotate off of Garnett on to driving players when Garnett is not in the post. However, when Garnett is on the post, not only can you not help off of him, but you will undoubtedly have to double team him each and every time, opening up the game for the players around him.

Basically the greatest tragedy of Garnett's career might be the fact that no coach has forced him to commit to the low post. Watch film of Garnett (not you tube, because all they have are dunks on there) and you'll quickly find out what I mean about him on the low block. He's an absolute beast down there. I mean, he has the footwork, the length, the strength, and the athleticism to kill anyone on the mid to low block. Plus one of the best post players of all-time (Kevin McHale) taught him a whole slew of post moves.

Yes things could have been helped for Garnett if he had better teammates (even though, in my opinion, his teammates aren't really as bad as they are made out to be). But believe me, there's no way a player as dynamic as Garnett should have missed the playoffs three years in a row. All that tells me is that he is not putting his stamp on games in an efficient manner.

If you still don't feel what I'm trying to convey compare Duncan and KG's shot charts from this season. Duncan took 752 shots (out of 1,131 total shots on the season) in the deep low post, making .613 of his shots, while Garnett only took 451 shots (out of 1,341 totals shots on the season) in that area, converting on .581 of his shots.

So you see, Garnett and Duncan both shoot about 60% on the low block, but Garnett doesn't utilize this unstoppable part of his game the same way Duncan does. Duncan takes 66% of his field goal attempts from the low block while KG only takes 34% of his shots from down there.

Basically, if KG wants to win, he'll learn to utilize his talents more efficiently and get his butt down on the block. But until then, I'll have to say that Tim is the better player.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Not even debatable. Tim Duncan could have 4 Spurstalk posters in the starting lineup with him and still make the playoffs.







Scoreboard.

[101A]

There is still a "debate" about this?

[itzsoweezee]

this might have been a debate three years ago. anyone other than a total garnett jock knows there's no comparison. garnett is a statsheet superstar, nothing more.

[DarrinS]

A weapon unused is not a weapon.

[Sec24Row7]

apparently in this guy's head there is...

[duncan228]

Again?
It never goes away.
Now we've got to talk about putting Duncan on the Wolves and seeing how far they'd go, putting KG on the Spurs and seeing how far they'd go.
It just never ends.

[MadDog73]

"Watch film of Garnett (not you tube, because all they have are dunks on there) and you'll quickly find out what I mean about him on the low block. "


Yep, you'll have to watch film, because he doesn't play on TV anymore.

[gaKNOW!blee]

I thought this debate was over after 2003???

[degenerate_gambler]

garnett > duncan is laughable..

i hope dallas or phx trades for his ass this summer.

then timmy can steamroll his ass in the playoffs next year and put an end to this b.s.

[smeagol]

This debate is so pre-2005

[td4mvp21]

Wow, what a dumbass. Garnett is a better defender and passer? Who knew? I'll give him rebounds, he always did average more than TD. But other than rebounds, KG has nothing on Duncan. It's almost laughable now to compare TD to KG.

[Ya Vez]

yes that is why KG can take his team to the playoffs what 9 straight years... oh wait he can't...

[GSH]

Three Rings...No Rings...End of Story

[anonymous coward]

judge them w/o the rings and mvps bullshit talk.
kg is most complete, talented, flashy, in definitive better player.
when you all duncan's ass suckers, take it objetivelly, you will agree that
kg > duncan

oh, i forgot, he have heart

[Extra Stout]

Shorter version: Garnett is so much less intelligent than Tim Duncan that his edge in sheer physical giftedness is overwhelmed.

[peskypesky]

I really like and respect KG. He's put up tremendous numbers year after year after year. And I would love to have him on the Spurs. But I would ALWAYS choose Tim Duncan over KG.

[BreezeHillBill]

garnett > duncan is laughable..

i hope dallas or phx trades for his ass this summer.

then timmy can steamroll his ass in the playoffs next year and put an end to this b.s.

WORD. :tu

[violentkitten]

as if garnett hasn't played with any talent in minnesota.

post game? :guffaw

[ChumpDumper]

judge them w/o the rings and mvps bullshit talk.Why would we judge this without rings?

Flashiness?

:lmao

[AnkleBreaker21]

Garnett is Duncan's bitch,period.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, Duncan's career rebounding is better than KG's.

KG used to be more versatile as a defender, if you want to call fronting a gimmick zone versatile -- but not anymore.

[NoMoneyDown]

Three Rings...No Rings...End of Story

Exactly, not to mention with an almost completely different supporting class each time.

[anonymous coward]

chumpdumper, please, dont talk me anymore, im F tired of you.

[Summers]

Not even debatable. Tim Duncan could have 4 Spurstalk posters in the starting lineup with him and still make the playoffs.







Scoreboard.

:lol

[Strike]

judge them w/o the rings and mvps bullshit talk.
kg is most complete, talented, flashy, in definitive better player.
when you all duncan's ass suckers, take it objetivelly, you will agree that
kg > duncan

oh, i forgot, he have heart

Yep. That's why he can't carry his team.

[ChumpDumper]

chumpdumper, please, dont talk me anymore, im F tired of you.You're Flashy tired of me?

[anonymous coward]

Why would we judge this without rings?

Flashiness?

:lmao

beacause its a collective award

[bdictjames]

4 years of college people, 4 years of college.

[anonymous coward]

You're Flashy tired of me?

im done with you

[ChumpDumper]

beacause its a collective award MVP is a collective award?

If Garnett was so much better than Duncan, he would've made the playoffs the last couple of years.

[ChumpDumper]

im done with youSure you are.

[dbreiden83080]

LOL oh my god Tim Duncan has left KG so far in his rear view mirror by now it is a joke. Shaq and Duncan is a good debate in terms of their careers but KG, one trip out of the first round and counting folks.

[GSH]

judge them w/o the rings and mvps bullshit talk.


Yeh...let's "analyze" some really meaningful stuff like how many Pepsi commercials they made. If you just keep analyzing things long enough, you'll finally figure out that Garnett has rings and Duncan doesn't. The Yankees buy a shitload of flashy players every year, but they still have problems winning the World Series.

All people like you have to do is convince yourself that the best team doesn't win in seven game series. Year after year.

[dbreiden83080]

judge them w/o the rings and mvps bullshit talk.
kg is most complete, talented, flashy, in definitive better player.
when you all duncan's ass suckers, take it objetivelly, you will agree that
kg > duncan

oh, i forgot, he have heart

Yeak take Duncan's 3 rings and 3 finals MVPs out of the equation that is fair why not leading a team to titles is totally fucking meaningless.

[ChumpDumper]

"Flashy"

[dbreiden83080]

"Flashy"

Yeah yelling like you are in mid-orgasm every time you dunk the ball is very flashy.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe he's describing the lures Kevin is currently using on his annual fishing trip.

[anonymous coward]

your subjetivity is so much that you all duncan's ass suckers are completely blind

[ChumpDumper]

your subjetivity is so much that you all duncan's ass suckers are completely blindAnd your flashy ass sucking makes you subjective. So what?

[Spurminator]

2002 Forum

[BreezeHillBill]

judge them w/o the rings and mvps bullshit talk.
kg is most complete, talented, flashy, in definitive better player.
when you all duncan's ass suckers, take it objetivelly, you will agree that
kg > duncan

oh, i forgot, he have heart

How are Championship Rings and MVP awards not worth factoring in? And learn to spell, dropout.

[Jockularity!]

your subjetivity is so much that you all duncan's ass suckers are completely blind

Career Numbers

TD: 21.8 PPG, 11.9 RPG, 3.2 APG, 2.5 BPG, 50.9 FG%
KG: 20.5 PPG, 11.4 RPG, 4.5 APG, 1.7 BPG, 49.0 FG%

So yeah, with the exception of ONE CATEGORY, Duncan has Garnett beat across the board. The numbers ain't "completely blind."

[BreezeHillBill]

Sure you are.
Promises, promises.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

this isn't a comparison between Duncan and Garnett, this is him having a fucking crush on KG and wanting to validate said crush by comparing him with one of the most dominating, and succesful players of our time. Preety damn pathetic attempt at that

[ChumpDumper]

Career Numbers

TD: 21.8 PPG, 11.9 RPG, 3.2 APG, 2.5 BPG, 50.9 FG%
KG: 20.5 PPG, 11.4 RPG, 4.5 APG, 1.7 BPG, 49.0 FG%

So yeah, with the exception of ONE CATEGORY, Duncan has Garnett beat across the board. The numbers ain't "completely blind."Stupid idiot! Post the flashy stats and you'll know what I talking about!

[lrrr]

Regular Season stats are meaningless to TD, it has to be obvious to anyone that Timmy doesn't care about the stats. SO to compare him with anyone based on regular season stats is worthless and laughable.

Make the comparisons where it matters, playoff success. The only player who should be compared with TD this decade is Shaq.

People always say, "well KG wasn't EXPECTED to win any of those 1st round series". Well, my question is, if he is so great, why was his team never the favorite?

[ambchang]

Garnett has a similar post game to Duncan? Did the guy ever thought of the reason Garnett shot less from low block is because he can't establish position like Duncan can? Or he simply doesn't have the moves to get a shot off?
I actually first thought this was a BUMP article.

[duncan228]

Stupid idiot! Post the flashy stats and you'll know what I talking about!

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I think wolves009 wrote that article.

[Strike]

your subjetivity is so much that you all duncan's ass suckers are completely blind



Career Numbers

TD: 21.8 PPG, 11.9 RPG, 3.2 APG, 2.5 BPG, 50.9 FG%
KG: 20.5 PPG, 11.4 RPG, 4.5 APG, 1.7 BPG, 49.0 FG%

So yeah, with the exception of ONE CATEGORY, Duncan has Garnett beat across the board. The numbers ain't "completely blind."



I just got :owned

[anonymous coward]

How are Championship Rings and MVP awards not worth factoring in? And learn to spell, dropout.

for 12432 time, my first language is spanish and im not american.

i guees i have to repeat....the rings are a collective award.

the only worthy award for measurement is the regular seasson one.

no collective award (ring)= no finals mvp

[Jockularity!]

the only worthy award for measurement is the regular seasson one.



Well, if that's the case to back-up the previous information I gave you, why don't we try this:

No. of MVPs
TD: 2
KG: 1

Yet another category that Duncan has Garnett trumped.

[ChumpDumper]

for 12432 time, my first language is spanish and im not american.

i guees i have to repeat....the rings are a collective award.

the only worthy award for measurement is the regular seasson one.

no collective award (ring)= no finals mvpAll of Duncan's career stats are higher than Garnett's except for assists and steals.

And Garnett has averaged more minutes per game over his career.

How exactly is Garnett so much better?

[ChumpDumper]

Oh yeah, I forgot.

Flashy stats!

[FromWayDowntown]

The argument is beyond asinine. I don't even have to go to per40's or per48's to prove that Duncan is statistically dominant over Garnett in almost every major category -- and particularly in categories like rebounding:

Start at the very beginning, for his career, Garnett has played in 2 more seasons than Duncan and, at the end of the 2006-07 regular season, had played almost 8,000 more minutes than Duncan in NBA games. (KG - 35,536; TD - 27,964). Over their shared careers, Duncan has played more Minutes per game than Garnett only twice (1998-99; 2001-02). Over the courses of their respective careers, Duncan has played 37.5 mpg to Garnett's 38.3 mpg. So, Garnett has been on the floor more -- giving him, in his own special way, more time to roll up numbers.

You'd think, then, that KG would have some pretty big leads on Duncan in major categories.

You'd, of course, be wrong.

Timmy is the better scorer, having averaged 21.83 ppg for his career over Garnett's 20.54. Tim is 29th all-time in PPG; Garnett is 44th.

Tim is the better shooter from the field, having shot .509 for his career to Garnett's .491.

Timmy is also the better rebounder, in terms of rebounds per game, offensive rebounds per game, defensive rebounds per game, and rebound rate. Tim grabs 11.88 rpg for his career (18th all-time), Garnett gets 11.37 (21st all-time). Tim has better offensive rebounding numbers per game (3.2 to 2.8) and better defensive rebounding numbers (8.7 to 8.6). And Timmy's rebound rate ("an estimate of the percentage of missed shots a player rebounded while he was on the floor") is 18.28 (16th all-time) to Garnett's 17.17 (42nd all-time). Garnett is the better rebounder, my eye.

Not surprisingly, Timmy is the better shot blocker, too. Tim gets 2.47 blocks per game (14th all-time) while KG gets 1.70 blocks per game (36th all-time).

Ultimately, Garnett -- the fantasy dream -- actually does worse than Duncan when comparing more universal metrics like PER, too. Duncan's career PER is 25.17 (6th all-time); Garnett's is 23.84 (15th all-time).

So, where does that leave us. Clearly, Garnett is a better free throw shooter (.780 to .680). He's a better percentage shooter from 3 (.289 to .197). He gets about an assist per game more than Duncan (4.5 to 3.2). And he gets about half a steal more per game than Duncan (1.4 to .8).

That's an impressive array of numbers to back up an argument that Garnett is as good or better than Tim Duncan. I'm truly blown away.

[Jockularity!]

Oh yeah, I forgot.

Flashy stats!

KG owns No. of shitty Gatorade and adidas commercials!

[Jockularity!]

The argument is beyond asinine.

I'm not going to quote the whole thing, but...PURE OWNAGE, in every conceivable fashion.

[duncan228]

Are we done with the conversation now?

[dimsah]

Awesome job FWD!
That should be good enough to kill this argument until the same time next year.

[Jockularity!]

Awesome job FWD!
That should be good enough to kill this argument until the same time next year when Kevin Garnett is doing what he does best in the month of May: not playing basketball.

Elaborated.

[samikeyp]

KG is a better athlete

Tim Duncan is a better basketball player.



Next.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The argument is beyond asinine. I don't even have to go to per40's or per48's to prove that Duncan is statistically dominant over Garnett in almost every major category -- and particularly in categories like rebounding:

Start at the very beginning, for his career, Garnett has played in 2 more seasons than Duncan and, at the end of the 2006-07 regular season, had played almost 8,000 more minutes than Duncan in NBA games. (KG - 35,536; TD - 27,964). Over their shared careers, Duncan has played more Minutes per game than Garnett only twice (1998-99; 2001-02). Over the courses of their respective careers, Duncan has played 37.5 mpg to Garnett's 38.3 mpg. So, Garnett has been on the floor more -- giving him, in his own special way, more time to roll up numbers.

You'd think, then, that KG would have some pretty big leads on Duncan in major categories.

You'd, of course, be wrong.

Timmy is the better scorer, having averaged 21.83 ppg for his career over Garnett's 20.54. Tim is 29th all-time in PPG; Garnett is 44th.

Tim is the better shooter from the field, having shot .509 for his career to Garnett's .491.

Timmy is also the better rebounder, in terms of rebounds per game, offensive rebounds per game, defensive rebounds per game, and rebound rate. Tim grabs 11.88 rpg for his career (18th all-time), Garnett gets 11.37 (21st all-time). Tim has better offensive rebounding numbers per game (3.2 to 2.8) and better defensive rebounding numbers (8.7 to 8.6). And Timmy's rebound rate ("an estimate of the percentage of missed shots a player rebounded while he was on the floor") is 18.28 (16th all-time) to Garnett's 17.17 (42nd all-time). Garnett is the better rebounder, my eye.

Not surprisingly, Timmy is the better shot blocker, too. Tim gets 2.47 blocks per game (14th all-time) while KG gets 1.70 blocks per game (36th all-time).

Ultimately, Garnett -- the fantasy dream -- actually does worse than Duncan when comparing more universal metrics like PER, too. Duncan's career PER is 25.17 (6th all-time); Garnett's is 23.84 (15th all-time).

So, where does that leave us. Clearly, Garnett is a better free throw shooter (.780 to .680). He's a better percentage shooter from 3 (.289 to .197). He gets about an assist per game more than Duncan (4.5 to 3.2). And he gets about half a steal more per game than Duncan (1.4 to .8).

That's an impressive array of numbers to back up an argument that Garnett is as good or better than Tim Duncan. I'm truly blown away.
I think we should fucking frame this post and send it to the fucker that wrote the article in question! Who's with me? :lol

[samikeyp]

There you go again FWD, using facts again!

:)

[ChumpDumper]

Kevin Garnett has flashed more people than Tim Duncan!

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, and KG leads the rivalry in buffoon-like smack talking. Timmy so badly owned him that day that KG tried to light into Duncan and Timmy just started laughing.

It's truly a Spurs moment that I'll never forget.

[resistanze]

Duncan: Statistically superior, multiple championships and Finals MVPs.
Garnett: Came out of a basketball and drank Gatorade.

Garnett > Duncan

[E20]

I'm not going to even read this, I can't believe this came up again.

I'll just make a list of what TD has over KG.

- MVPs
- Rings
- Final MVPs
- More accolades (Playoff berths, WCF champs, All-NBA, All-Defense etc. This list goes on)
- Career stats
- More credibility
- This list goes on.


KG however has style over TD. So, jersey sales go in KG's favor.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Kevin Garnett vs. Tim Duncan: A Comparison of Two of the League's Best Big Men
Posted May 17th 2007 7:00AM by Nate Jones
Filed under: Timberwolves, Spurs, Western



Recently there have been a lot of articles comparing Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. ESPN's Bill Simmon's thinks Duncan's better, while stat guru David Beri seems to think Garnett is better. In addition, TrueHoop reader and Marketing Professor, Kenneth Wilbur seems to think the Duncan is better.

Here's my opinion: Kevin Garnett is the more talented player, but as of now, Tim Duncan is the better player. My reason for this falls along the same line as Wilbur's. Basically I believe Duncan is a better player because he utilizes his talents in a more efficient manner than KG.

Kevin Garnett is a better rebounder, passer, and defender than Tim Duncan. He is also a better athlete with a more complete offensive game.(ROFL) But unlike Duncan, Garnett refuses to utilize his best offensive weapon. Kevin Garnett is just as unstoppable on the low post as Tim Duncan.(ROFL) Yet Garnett doesn't utilize the low post as an offensive weapon the way Duncan does.



Sometimes, even with a player as talented as Garnett, it's necessary to sacrifice other parts of your game in order to enhance another more important part of it. For example, Garnett can hit a twenty foot jump shot. Although not as consistent as Garnett's, Duncan also has a pretty nice jumper. Yet Duncan has sacrificed showing some of his versatility in favor of what works best for winning. When KG sits out there on the perimeter he is a less efficient player. On the perimeter he takes lower percentage shots and is not in a position where he can draw double teams, capture offensive boards, and set up teammates. And as Wilbur pointed out, it's easier for defenders to rotate off of Garnett on to driving players when Garnett is not in the post. However, when Garnett is on the post, not only can you not help off of him, but you will undoubtedly have to double team him each and every time, opening up the game for the players around him.

Basically the greatest tragedy of Garnett's career might be the fact that no coach has forced him to commit to the low post. Watch film of Garnett (not you tube, because all they have are dunks on there) and you'll quickly find out what I mean about him on the low block. He's an absolute beast down there. I mean, he has the footwork, the length, the strength, and the athleticism to kill anyone on the mid to low block. Plus one of the best post players of all-time (Kevin McHale) taught him a whole slew of post moves.

Yes things could have been helped for Garnett if he had better teammates (even though, in my opinion, his teammates aren't really as bad as they are made out to be). But believe me, there's no way a player as dynamic as Garnett should have missed the playoffs three years in a row. All that tells me is that he is not putting his stamp on games in an efficient manner.

If you still don't feel what I'm trying to convey compare Duncan and KG's shot charts from this season. Duncan took 752 shots (out of 1,131 total shots on the season) in the deep low post, making .613 of his shots, while Garnett only took 451 shots (out of 1,341 totals shots on the season) in that area, converting on .581 of his shots.

So you see, Garnett and Duncan both shoot about 60% on the low block, but Garnett doesn't utilize this unstoppable part of his game the same way Duncan does. Duncan takes 66% of his field goal attempts from the low block while KG only takes 34% of his shots from down there.

Basically, if KG wants to win, he'll learn to utilize his talents more efficiently and get his butt down on the block. But until then, I'll have to say that Tim is the better player.

This shit pisses me off so much. More than reading a suns fan actually or listening to Mark Cuban.

Way to beat the dead horse man. KG is just incapable of taking his team to a playoff for more "role" player they are.

This individual is fucking idiot.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I think we should fucking frame this post and send it to the fucker that wrote the article in question! Who's with me? :lol

I'm with you. Let's kill this shit.

[E20]

I just glanced at the article above me and in the third paragraph it said some stuff which I will not post and I immediatley started thinking this:

BS. Don't waste time looking at it anymore.

[Spurs>mavs]

Tim Duncan is a better PLayer

KG is a better athlete

[nkdlunch]

Garnett still plays in the NBA?

[Jockularity!]

Garnett still plays in the NBA?

Only from November to early April.

[ducks]

offseason forum

[FuzzyLumpkins]

chumpdumper, please, dont talk me anymore, im F tired of you.

I think "I'm Chump's bitch." would have been much more succinct.

[dbreiden83080]

for 12432 time, my first language is spanish and im not american.

i guees i have to repeat....the rings are a collective award.

the only worthy award for measurement is the regular seasson one.

no collective award (ring)= no finals mvp

All time greats in the NBA are determined by how many titles they LEAD their teams to PERIOD, that is just the way it is. It is why guys like Ewing and Barkley will never be put in the same league with Duncan and Hakeem. Tim has 3 titles and 3 finals mvps there is no relevant argument you can make that takes that out of the equation.

[longrod]

Basketball is a team sport. No comparison whatsoever. Just count the rings.

[exstatic]

chumpdumper, please, dont talk me anymore, im F tired of being PWN3D by you.
Fixed it.

[exstatic]

Seriosuly, this is a McHale article trying desperately to pump up KG's deflated trade value.

[Clutch20]

Kevin Garnett vs. Tim Duncan: A Comparison of Two of the League's Best Big Men


Basically, if KG wants to win, he'll learn to utilize his talents more efficiently and get his butt down on the block. But until then, I'll have to say that Tim is the better player.
Ok then Kevin Garnett is not a winner.
What other gem can we say in a thousand words or more?

[exstatic]

In a nutshell: there are guys who come up big and there are guys who fade; there are Jordans, and then there are Pippins. We ALL know which category each of these players fall into.

[Galileo]

I'm going to back Chump Dumper on this, TD > KG.

Over Duncan's career, he has led his team to 22 playoff series wins and only 5 losses. This is one of the best of all time, 81% success. Few in history approach this level for leaders of teams, Magic and Bill Russell come to mind. Jordan was 30-7, 81%.

KG?

He has won only 2 playoff series.

[phxspurfan]

I have the potential to rain threes all day if I weren't blocked on every shot, so I guess I have an undiscovered weapon too.

[21_Blessings]

Basketball is a team sport. No comparison whatsoever. Just count the rings.

Duncan would have won zero rings on the pathetic Timberwolves. While KG would have 4 had he been blessed with the situation Timmy was drafted into. There is no denying that the Spurs have been the best front office in the league the past decade while Mchale has been arguably the worst GM in the history of sports.

Take off your homer glasses.

[Shaolin-Style]

Duncan would have won 2 championships instead of 4 on the Twolves.

Same as Shaq only winning 1 as opposed to 3 with the Lakers.

in all hypothetical scenarios you always take half of what a key factor has accomplished. thats the golden rule!

[FromWayDowntown]

Duncan would have won zero rings on the pathetic Timberwolves. While KG would have 4 had he been blessed with the situation Timmy was drafted into. There is no denying that the Spurs have been the best front office in the league the past decade while Mchale has been arguably the worst GM in the history of sports.

Take off your homer glasses.

That may be true, but I have serious doubts about whether a team with Tim Duncan would miss the playoffs -- let alone miss the playoffs in consecutive years. That's a pretty telling difference in my book.

[MajicMan]

Why even respond to this it's so ridiculous.

[z0sa]

tim duncan may not have won 4 rings, but the Twolves would NOT have missed the playoffs 3 consecutives years.

KG is a scrub compared to Tim when it comes to leadership and clutchness. KG always defers to teammates when the game is on the line - even now, Paul Pierce is the one with the ball when the clock runs down.

[phxspurfan]

Tim Duncan is wayyy better at psychology than KG, as his four year degree from Wake would indicate. Game, set and match!

[StoneBuddha]

All time greats in the NBA are determined by how many titles they LEAD their teams to PERIOD, that is just the way it is. It is why guys like Ewing and Barkley will never be put in the same league with Duncan and Hakeem. Tim has 3 titles and 3 finals mvps there is no relevant argument you can make that takes that out of the equation.

Everyone realizes that Duncan has 4 Rings, right?

[bdictjames]

Everyone realizes that Duncan has 4 Rings, right?
I think this post was done about 1 year ago, long before we swept the Cavs for a fourth title. I wonder why it was brought up.

[duncan228]

Everyone realizes that Duncan has 4 Rings, right?

Look at the date the post you quoted was made.
It was before he won his fourth.
This is an old thread that was bumped back up today.

[dbreiden83080]

This debate ended in 2003 when Timmy got his 2nd ring, finals MVP and MVP award. KG stuffed a lot of stat sheets in the same way the likes of Barkley and Malone did. If he wins a ring he may rank ahead of them but he will never catch #21.

[timmy21_4rings]

tim duncan may not have won 4 rings, but the Twolves would NOT have missed the playoffs 3 consecutives years.

KG is a scrub compared to Tim when it comes to leadership and clutchness. KG always defers to teammates when the game is on the line - even now, Paul Pierce is the one with the ball when the clock runs down.


This is my take too...

[StoneBuddha]

Look at the date the post you quoted was made.
It was before he won his fourth.
This is an old thread that was bumped back up today.

My bad... I was wondering why no one had said anything. :dizzy

[stevenger]

Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan?:):):):) People laughs this question. Tim Duncan is NBA history's best power forward.

[Rummpd]

There is no comparison this is like comparing Bill Russell to Elvin Hayes. Duncan is so far superior in basketball IQ and what it truly takes to lead it is not funny.

[21_Blessings]

That may be true, but I have serious doubts about whether a team with Tim Duncan would miss the playoffs -- let alone miss the playoffs in consecutive years. That's a pretty telling difference in my book.

This is a weird argument considering how Garnett carried a terrible, terrible wolves team to 30+ wins despite the coaches best effort at tanking the season. Remember the Madsen 3 pointers to end the season?

Look at the T-wolves right now compared to last year. They only lost KG and brought in Jefferson, Gomes, Telfair and there a million times worse. Duncan is amazing, but the reality is basketball is a team sport and you don't win without real talent around your. Marko Jaric is not real talent.

[Sec24Row7]

What the hell is this thread doing back?

[Strike]

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[MarceloM!]

TD has nothing to demonstrate. He is a better player.


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