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xrayzebra
05-26-2007, 12:09 PM
And neither has Bill and Billary it appears.
And I can just hear it now, damnit, why did the Times
have to print this. Funny Obama wasn't mentioned in
the article. But I think I see him lurking in the back-
ground.....LOL

The New York Times

May 26, 2007
Suit Sheds Light on Clintons’ Ties to a Benefactor
By MIKE McINTIRE

When former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton took a family vacation in January 2002 to Acapulco, Mexico, one of their longtime supporters, Vinod Gupta, provided his company’s private jet to fly them there.

The company, infoUSA, one of the nation’s largest brokers of information on consumers, paid $146,866 to ferry the Clintons, Mr. Gupta and others to Acapulco and back, court records show. During the next four years, infoUSA paid Mr. Clinton more than $2 million for consulting services, and spent almost $900,000 to fly him around the world for his presidential foundation work and to fly Mrs. Clinton to campaign events.

Those expenses are cited in a lawsuit filed late last year in a Delaware court by angry shareholders of infoUSA, who assert that Mr. Gupta wasted the company’s money trying “to ingratiate himself” with his high-profile guests.

The disclosure of the trips and the consulting fees is just a small part of a broader complaint about the way Mr. Gupta has managed his company. But for the former president, and for the senator who would become president, it offers significant new details about their relationship with an unusually generous benefactor whose business practices have lately come under scrutiny.

In addition to the shareholder accusations, The New York Times reported last Sunday that an investigation by the authorities in Iowa found that infoUSA sold consumer data several years ago to telemarketing criminals who used it to steal money from elderly Americans. It advertised call lists with titles like “Elderly Opportunity Seekers” or “Suffering Seniors,” a compilation of people with cancer or Alzheimer’s disease. The company called the episodes an aberration and pledged that it would not happen again.

Asked to describe Mr. Clinton’s consulting services, an infoUSA official said they were limited to making appearances at one or two company events each year. Jay Carson, a spokesman for Mr. Clinton, would not elaborate on what the former president does for infoUSA, but said that he shared the public’s concern about misuse of personal information.

“It goes without saying that any suggestion that seniors are being preyed upon should be fully investigated and addressed by the appropriate agencies,” Mr. Carson said.

Aides to Mrs. Clinton were at pains to distance her from infoUSA, pointing out that she had sponsored legislation that would strengthen privacy rights of consumers. As for the flights on infoUSA’s plane, Phil Singer, Mrs. Clinton’s spokesman, said the senator “complied with all the relevant ethics rules” on accepting private air travel.

Ethics rules for senators and candidates require only that the recipient of a flight make reimbursement at a rate equal to that of a first-class ticket, a long-derided loophole that allows special interests to provide de facto gifts of expensive private air travel, which generally costs far more than commercial fares. Mr. Singer would not say what Mrs. Clinton paid for her flights.

InfoUSA’s troubles come at an especially awkward moment for Mrs. Clinton, since Mr. Gupta is among a loyal coterie of reliable fund-raisers whom she would be expected to turn to as she pursues the Democratic presidential nomination. He has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Clintons’ campaigns over the years, and has donated $1 million to Mr. Clinton’s foundation.

The Clintons’ role in the shareholder suit has been largely overlooked even as the presidential race has heated up. The Deal, a business publication, said in a February article about infoUSA that the lawsuit’s references to an unnamed “former high-ranking government official and his wife” appeared to describe Mr. and Mrs. Clinton.

Neither aides to the Clintons nor infoUSA disputed that the complaint referred to the Clintons.

An entrepreneur from India, Mr. Gupta, 60, founded infoUSA in Omaha in 1972 and built it into a publicly traded company with more than $400 million in revenue. Along the way, he nurtured a taste for politics, becoming a major Democratic fund-raiser and a Lincoln Bedroom guest in the Clinton White House.

Before leaving office, Mr. Clinton appointed Mr. Gupta to the board of the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. Earlier, Mr. Clinton had nominated him for two minor ambassadorships, which Mr. Gupta declined because of business commitments.

“Vin’s done a very good job over the years finding ways to get connected,” said Stormy Dean, the chief financial officer of infoUSA and onetime candidate for governor in Nebraska, where the company is based.

“I don’t know whether he’s ever got anything out of his connections in politics,” Mr. Dean said. “But he likes it, and he’s good at it. He’s a legitimate American success story.”

Mr. Gupta declined to comment for this article.

Mr. Gupta is clearly proud of his friendship with the Clintons. He once had a personal Web site — it was taken down last year — where he posted photographs of himself socializing with them. One showed him with Mr. Clinton on a golf course, arms draped around each other and smiling; another showed Mrs. Clinton posing with the Gupta family in Aspen. Mr. Gupta even dedicated two school construction projects he financed in a rural part of his native India to the Clintons, naming one of them after him and the other after her.

After Mr. Clinton left office, Mr. Gupta was one of two businessmen with whom the former president agreed to enter into consulting arrangements (the other was Ronald W. Burkle, a billionaire investor and major Democratic donor). In 2002, Mrs. Clinton began reporting her husband’s work for infoUSA on her Senate financial disclosure forms, but she does not have to disclose his income and it is not clear what he is paid.

The shareholder lawsuit against infoUSA, brought by two Connecticut-based hedge funds, Dolphin Limited Partnership and Cardinal Capital Management, forced that information into the open. It charges that Mr. Gupta’s spending on the Clintons is part of a pattern of improper company expenditures for things like luxury cars, jets and houses, as well as a yacht that is notable for being one of the few to have an all-female crew.

Mr. Gupta has defended the expenses as legitimate and business-related, and he has accused the hedge funds of trying to wrest control of the company through a smear campaign. Mr. Gupta has moved to have the lawsuit dismissed; a decision is pending.

Representatives of Dolphin and Cardinal declined to comment. Herbert A. Denton, president of Providence Capital, a New York hedge fund that also invested in infoUSA and had pressed for management changes, said the expenditures cited in the lawsuit were hard to defend.

“When the C.E.O. of a publicly traded company can say with a straight face that the shareholders benefit from having a yacht with an all-female crew stationed in the Virgin Islands, then you’ve got a problem,” Mr. Denton said.

The lawsuit says Mr. Clinton signed a consulting agreement in April 2002 to “provide confidential advice and counsel to the chairman and C.E.O. of the company for the purpose of strategic growth and business development.” InfoUSA made $2.1 million in quarterly payments to Mr. Clinton from July 2003 to April 2005, and in October 2005 entered into a new three-year agreement to pay him $1.2 million. It also gave him an option to buy 100,000 shares of infoUSA stock, with no expiration date.

The complaint asserts that the contracts with Mr. Clinton are “extremely vague” to the point of being wasteful. It says they state that Mr. Clinton will not lobby for infoUSA, and that the company cannot use his name, likeness or association for any business purpose.

Mr. Dean said the former president’s presence at company events “adds a lot of credibility” to infoUSA in business circles. Mr. Clinton normally commands $125,000 to $300,000 for the many speeches he gives each year, and has earned almost $40 million on the lecture circuit since leaving office.

Mr. Dean said Mr. Clinton had no role in infoUSA’s data collection and distribution business, which was criticized by the authorities in Iowa who uncovered the questionable sales of call lists during an investigation of unscrupulous telemarketers in 2005. After the Times article on Sunday about that case, officials at the Federal Trade Commission indicated they were considering opening their own inquiry into infoUSA’s practices.

Mr. Dean also said that the numerous flights infoUSA provided for Mr. Clinton’s nonprofit foundation activities constituted charitable donations, for which the company was entitled to a tax deduction. The flights included trips to European capitals, Alaska, Florida, Hawaii and Mr. Clinton’s home state of Arkansas.

Mrs. Clinton’s use of infoUSA planes appears to be mostly campaign related. In one instance cited in the lawsuit, Mrs. Clinton “traveled at the company’s expense aboard a private jet from White Plains, N.Y., to Detroit, Mich., and then to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and home to White Plains, N.Y., after calling the company the previous day in desperate need of a plane.”

InfoUSA paid $18,480 in January 2004 to fly Mrs. Clinton “and her four-person entourage” to New York from New Mexico, where she had made a campaign appearance and attended a book signing. Campaign finance records show that her committee, Friends of Hillary, made a reimbursement of $2,127 for that flight. It was not clear if any other candidate committees in New Mexico also helped defray some of the cost.

Her aides said that in addition to using campaign money to pay for some of the infoUSA flights, Mrs. Clinton used personal finances to pay for parts of any flights that did not involve political activities, like the 2002 trip to Acapulco. As for why infoUSA paid anything at all for a round-trip flight to a vacation destination, Mr. Dean insisted it was a legitimate expense.

“I’m not sure what they were doing down there,” Mr. Dean said, “but it was business related.”


Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

01Snake
05-26-2007, 12:13 PM
“I’m not sure what they were doing down there,” Mr. Dean said, “but it was business related.”




:lol

clambake
05-26-2007, 01:34 PM
I wonder how the shareholders of Enron feel about their company flying Bush and Cheney all over the country?

01Snake
05-26-2007, 02:55 PM
I wonder how the shareholders of Enron feel about their company flying Bush and Cheney all over the country?

Thats probably the least of their worries.

ChumpDumper
05-26-2007, 05:06 PM
Mixed metaphor forum.

smeagol
05-26-2007, 05:21 PM
I wonder how the shareholders of Enron feel about their company flying Bush and Cheney all over the country?
The best defense is an attack.

Article is about Clinton, not Bush

clambake
05-26-2007, 07:21 PM
Correct. The best defense is a good offense.

smeagol
05-26-2007, 07:30 PM
Correct. The best defense is a good offense.
Ok.

So why don't you try defending Bill with facts now, instead of attacking Bush.

You sound as lame as the necons sound when defending Bush about 9 when they say Clinton did nothing dring his two presidencies to capture Bin Laden.

PixelPusher
05-26-2007, 08:03 PM
Mixed metaphor forum.
You can't teach an old lepoard new tricks.

clambake
05-27-2007, 11:51 AM
Ok.

So why don't you try defending Bill with facts now, instead of attacking Bush.

You sound as lame as the necons sound when defending Bush about 9 when they say Clinton did nothing dring his two presidencies to capture Bin Laden.
I'm sick of all of them. What's the point trying to convince people that one group of liars is better than the other group of liars.

xrayzebra
05-27-2007, 01:09 PM
^^Who cares what you think?

FromWayDowntown
05-27-2007, 01:22 PM
^^Who cares what you think?

Et tu, Brute?

Extra Stout
05-27-2007, 01:37 PM
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't be fooled again.

mookie2001
05-27-2007, 01:47 PM
clinton did do nothing to catch bin laden, either did Bush or Bush

exstatic
05-27-2007, 02:29 PM
AFAIK, Bill Clinton is an ex-president and politician, and many of them are paid outlandish speaking and consulting fees. Where's the story?

Mixed metaphor forum.
I think the burning question is can leopards learn new tricks?

Extra Stout
05-27-2007, 02:45 PM
Let's keep this thread under tabs.

22 Year Old Virgin
05-27-2007, 03:44 PM
Old Dogs Never Change Their Spots.


Ok, I can honestly say this is the first time I have EVER heard that saying

ChumpDumper
05-27-2007, 03:47 PM
clinton did do nothing to catch bin laden, either did Bush or BushI don't see how GHW Bush should have done anything about Bin Laden. OBL wasn't even on our radar as an anti-US terra leader until well into the Clinton administration.

Clinton authorized pretty much every plan to get Bin Laden that made it through the military and intel bureaucracies to him. He did about as much as his political situation (caused largely by his own stupid actions) allowed.

GW Bush worst mistake was thinking everything developed by the Clinton administration was shit, that all policy needed to be reviewed and overhauled. This caused enormous and ultimately unecessary delays in dealing with Al Qaeda, as Bush ended up doing everything the Clinton administration had previously recommended after 9/11.

It's impossible to say whether taking out Bin Laden would have stopped 9/11 or similar attacks. Possibly the most effective thing would have been to heavily bomb the training camps in Afghanistan, but that was a near-impossibility both politically and logistically before 9/11.

ChumpDumper
05-27-2007, 04:15 PM
Sorry about the hijack.

I'm all for closing the loopholes for private air travel, but neither side in congress won't do it.

The rest of the stuff isn't terribly well substantiated.

mookie2001
05-27-2007, 04:49 PM
I tend to believe that the US has no interest in bin laden

what person, especially a former CIA operative, who we once trained, armed and funded, could the greatest military in the world, with virtually unlimited funding, could we NOT catch for 10+ years??

oh and i forgot

we've been in a trillion dollar war in iraq going on 5 years

ChumpDumper
05-27-2007, 05:17 PM
Why wouldn't we kill him just to throw NBAdan off the trail of the real killers?

Or at least just say we killed him?

smeagol
05-27-2007, 06:52 PM
Because he is dead . . .

mookie2001
05-27-2007, 07:01 PM
Because he is dead . . .alright !!


finally some justice

PixelPusher
05-27-2007, 07:35 PM
Because he is dead . . .
How can that be? I just heard Dubya tell David Gregory he was still out there and wanted to kill his children?

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 12:00 AM
The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday. The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said. [New York Times 07/03/06]

No use hunting for a dead guy, right?

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 02:21 AM
Why wouldn't they say he's dead?

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 02:41 AM
Cause then the war on terra would be over. Duh!

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 02:44 AM
Why? Plenty of other terra-ists out there.

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:01 AM
It's not easy to market Arab terra names, take Zarqawi for instance. Do you know how many times the M$M had to pimp the name of this dead guy before the U.S. public tuned out of Dancing with the Stars to give a damn?

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:02 AM
It's not easy to market Arab terra names, take Zarqawi for instance. Do you know how many times the M$M had to pimp the name of this dead guy before the U.S. public tuned out of Dancing with the Stars to give a damn?So if nobody cares, why does the status of OBL matter?

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:05 AM
Money. Can't fight a war without money, and every great ad campaign needs a spokes-person , that's bin laden.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:06 AM
But he doesn't speak and you just said nobody cares.

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:15 AM
The KFC Colonel doesn't speak either, but he makes some mighty fine chicken.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:19 AM
Weren't we supposed to attack Iran a month ago?

What happened there?

How does OBL sell that?

And what is he selling if no one cares about his chicken?

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:23 AM
Weren't we supposed to attack Iran a month ago?

Hello? 350,000 U.S. troops in neighboring Iraq....8 war-ships just off Iranian coast...and Darth Cheney just returned from a 'tour' of the nations of the willing...

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:24 AM
Hello? 350,000 U.S. troops in neighboring Iraq....8 war-ships just off Iranian coast...and Darth Cheney just returned from a 'tour' of the nations of the willing...Hello? Last month....

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:25 AM
And what is he selling if no one cares about his chicken?

It's brand name recognition: Osama bin Laden = war on terra
War on terra = money

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:25 AM
Hello? Last month....

Oh, he's trying, believe me.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:26 AM
In January, President Bush ordered 21,500 additional combat troops and thousands of support personnel sent to Iraq. An estimated 146,000 American troops are on the ground.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-sessions28may28,1,7883076.story?coll=la-headlines-world

Eh, you're only off by 200,000....

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:28 AM
Eh, you're only off by 200,000....

No, We've actually been increasing the numbers by a faster rate than they are letting on, plus there is about a 150,000 person private army in Iraq that helps keep the U.S. numbers low for media consumption.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:30 AM
No, We've actually been increasing the numbers by a faster rate than they are letting onSo where's your link for that?
plus there is about a 150,000 person private army in Iraq that helps keep the U.S. numbers low for media consumption.So the contractors are going to invade Iran?

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:31 AM
Bush Authorizes New Covert Action Against Iran
May 22, 2007 6:29 PM
Brian Ross and Richard Esposito Report:


The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert "black" operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject, say President Bush has signed a "nonlethal presidential finding" that puts into motion a CIA plan that reportedly includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation of Iran's currency and international financial transactions.

"I can't confirm or deny whether such a program exists or whether the president signed it, but it would be consistent with an overall American approach trying to find ways to put pressure on the regime," said Bruce Riedel, a recently retired CIA senior official who dealt with Iran and other countries in the region.

A National Security Council spokesperson, Gordon Johndroe, said, "The White House does not comment on intelligence matters." A CIA spokesperson said, "As a matter of course, we do not comment on allegations of covert activity."

Linky (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html)

tick.....tick.....tick.....

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:31 AM
So where's your link for that?

Surging the Surge ring a bell?

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:32 AM
So the contractors are going to invade Iran?

Nah, they'll send in the marines first, but they'll follow.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:33 AM
Is that so different from what we have already been doing?

And that wasn't what I asked for.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:34 AM
Surging the Surge ring a bell?Not really. I don't read every thread.

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:36 AM
Is that so different from what we have already been doing?

...Ah, but turnabout is fair play, that's why Lil Kim has been printing dollars by the truck-load. Funny thing is though, is that it doesn't matter to this WH, they would just as rather see the dollar crash.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2007, 03:36 AM
Ok, that one said the troop level could be 200,000 by the end of the year.

Not now.

Why do you have to lie, dan? I just don't get it.

Nbadan
05-28-2007, 03:38 AM
Ok, that one said the troop level could be 200,000 by the end of the year.

Not now.

Why do you have to lie, dan? I just don't get it.

:lol


Do you think we will be out of Iran by the end of the year?