Even Carter is Punking Blair

[Nbadan]

Tony Blair's forehead:


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Mark of the Beast?


The former US President Jimmy Carter lambasted Tony Blair for his "blind " support of the Iraq war today, saying it had been a "major tragedy for the world".

The outgoing Prime Minister's relationship with President George Bush appeared to have been "subservient" and "abominable", according to Mr Carter.

In an interview for BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Carter speculated that Mr Blair could have made a crucial difference to American political and public opinion by distancing himself during the build-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Mr Carter has long been an outspoken critic of the war, and has previously expressed his "disappointment" that Mr Blair did not use his influence more wisely.

Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2560259.ece)

Who's next? Gandhi?

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think even the queen wasnt happy about it...

[Wild Cobra]

Does anyone really care what the worst president in history really thinks?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Does anyone really care what the worst president in history really thinks?


ummm, yeah. he's the reason we're in this mess

[01Snake]

Wow! When Jimmy Carter speaks, people listen.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wow! When Jimmy Carter speaks, people listen.


Kind of like Bush isn't it? :lol :lol

[xrayzebra]

Wow! When Jimmy Carter speaks, people listen.


Jimmy Who?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Jimmy Who?



unfortunately ray we have to live with bush's incompetence on a dialy basis..and 8 more killed yesterday because of it..

[xrayzebra]

^^Yeah, I know the news media runs a box score of our
dead on a daily basis. But it isn't Bush that causes the deaths,
it is the people we are fighting who kills them. But I know you
have a hard time admitting that.

And it is not going to get any better for a time, we are starting
to ramp up things in Iraq.

[George Gervin's Afro]

^^Yeah, I know the news media runs a box score of our
dead on a daily basis. But it isn't Bush that causes the deaths,
it is the people we are fighting who kills them. But I know you
have a hard time admitting that.

And it is not going to get any better for a time, we are starting
to ramp up things in Iraq.


well i'll give you the notion that others are killing our GIs but your boy bush put them there in the first place..so let's say it's 50/50 how's that? See you and I can agree on something..

[xrayzebra]

^^Bush and CONGRESS, dumb butt. It was submitted to
CONGRESS not once but twice and they supported it both times.

[George Gervin's Afro]

^^Bush and CONGRESS, dumb butt. It was submitted to
CONGRESS not once but twice and they supported it both times.


Congress gave bush the option to do it. bush on his own did it. if Congress would have stood up and said we are going to invade Iraq tomorrow we couldn't do it. but if bush or any president did we would. Come on ray stop playing stupid.

[xrayzebra]

Pardon me. You got to be kidding me. Congress didn't know what
was going on. How come they get a pass on this. They are in
the same city as the President, aren't they?

[ChumpDumper]

Most of congress didn't have the same raw intel as the Bush administration did. Most of those in congress that did have access to some of that raw intel were sworn to secrecy and couldn't talk about it outside of their committees.

They were still dumbasses regardless.

[Nbadan]

Most of congress didn't have the same raw intel as the Bush administration did. Most of those in congress that did have access to some of that raw intel were sworn to secrecy and couldn't talk about it outside of their committees.

This is why all this bullshit coming out of the Hitlary camp reaks. As part of the Senate Intel committee, it was her job to ask the questions that are now being asked about the reliability of the Iraq Study group intel before the war.

[exstatic]

Does anyone really care what the worst president in history really thinks?
???? Dubyah is quoted almost every day, so some people must...

[Wild Cobra]

Most of congress didn't have the same raw intel as the Bush administration did. Most of those in congress that did have access to some of that raw intel were sworn to secrecy and couldn't talk about it outside of their committees.

They were still dumbasses regardless.
Do you really believe that congress didn't have adequate information?

Consider this. President Clinton signed a bill that required regime change in Iraq! It became Public Law 105-338 and titled "IRAQ LIBERATION ACT OF 1998" (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ338.105.pdf). The House of Representatives voted 360 to 38 passing it (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1998/roll482.xml). The Senate voted unanimous. President Clinton signed it into law on 10/31/98. You should see what the report those years back base that on. The congress and president Bush simply carried it out as one of nearly a dozen reason to go into Iraq! Congress has been aware of Saddam as a threat for years, and kept tabs on him

I find page S11811 of the senate transcript (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=1998_record&page=S11811&position=all) interesting. Part of it:

"Enactment of this bill will go farther. It requires the President to designate at least one Iraqi opposition group to receive U.S. military assistance. It defines eligibility criteria such a group or groups must meet. Many of us have ideas on how the designation process should work. I have repeatedly stated that the Iraqi National Congress has been effective in the past and can be effective in the future. They represent the broadest possible base of the opposition. There are other groups that are currently active inside Iraq: the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the Kurdish Democratic Party and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. The State Department seems to believe there are more than 70 opposition groups, many of which do not meet the criteria in H.R. 4655. Many barely even exist or have no political base. They should not be considered for support. We should also be very careful about considering designation of groups which do not share our values or which are simply creations of external forces or exile politics, such as the Iraqi Communist Party or the Iraqi National Accord.

I appreciate the work we have been able to do with the Administration on this legislation. But we should be very clear about the designation process. We intend to exercise our oversight responsibility and authority as provided in section 4(d) and section 5(d). I do not think the Members of Congress, notified pursuant to law, will agree to any designation that we believe does not meet the criteria in section 5 of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.

This is an important step. Observers should not misunderstand the Senate's action. Even though this legislation will pass without controversy on an unanimous voice vote, it is a major step forward in the final conclusion of the Persian Gulf war. In 1991, we and our allies shed blood to liberate Kuwait. Today, we are empowering Iraqis to liberate their own country.

Mr. HELMS. Mr. President, I am an original co-sponsor of H.R. 4655, the Iraq Liberation Act, for one simple reason: Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and a threat to our friends in the Middle East.

This lunatic is bent on building an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction with a demonstrable willingness to use them. For nearly eight years the United States has stood by and allowed the U.N. weapons inspections process to proceed in defanging Saddam. That process is now in the final stages of collapse, warning that the U.S. cannot stand idly by hoping against hope that everything will work itself out.

We have been told by Scott Ritter and others that Saddam can reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction within months. The Washington Post reported only last week that Iraq still has three nuclear `implosion devices'--in other words, nuclear bombs minus the necessary plutonium or uranium to set them off. The time has come to recognize that Saddam Hussein the man is inextricable from Iraq's drive for weapons of mass destruction. For as long as he and his regime are in power, Iraq will remain a mortal threat.

This bill will begin the long-overdue process of ousting Saddam. It will not send in U.S. troops or commit American forces in any way. Rather, it harkens back to the successes of the Reagan doctrine, enlisting the very people who are suffering most under Saddam's yoke to fight the battle against him."

Part of Public Law 105-338:

(5) Hostilities in Operation Desert Storm ended on February 28, 1991, and Iraq subsequently accepted the ceasefire conditions specified in United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 (April 3, 1991) requiring Iraq, among other things, to disclose fully and permit the dismantlement of its weapons of mass destruction programs and submit to long-term monitoring and verification of such dismantlement.

(6) In April 1993, Iraq orchestrated a failed plot to assassinate former President George Bush during his April 14– 16, 1993, visit to Kuwait.

(7) In October 1994, Iraq moved 80,000 troops to areas near the border with Kuwait, posing an imminent threat of a renewed invasion of or attack against Kuwait.

(8) On August 31, 1996, Iraq suppressed many of its opponents by helping one Kurdish faction capture Irbil, the seat of the Kurdish regional government.

(9) Since March 1996, Iraq has systematically sought to deny weapons inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission on Iraq (UNSCOM) access to key facilities and documents, has on several occasions endangered the safe operation of UNSCOM helicopters transporting UNSCOM personnel in Iraq, and has persisted in a pattern of deception and concealment regarding the history of its weapons of mass destruction programs.

(10) On August 5, 1998, Iraq ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM, and subsequently threatened to end long-term monitoring activities by the International Atomic Energy Agency and UNSCOM.

Just like the hypocrat demoncraps to now say they were duped. I say if they are so incompetent that they can be duped, get rid of them!

[Nbadan]

Just like the hypocrat demoncraps to now say they were duped. I say if they are so incompetent that they can be duped, get rid of them!

This was 1998, and no one was sure about Saddam's WMD programme', but by 2002 even X-Marine, U.N. weapons inpector, and accused pedophile, Scott Ritter was expressing serious doubts about the reliability of Intel coming from Iraqi decedents regarding Saddam’s WMD development.

[Wild Cobra]

This was 1998, and no one was sure about Saddam's WMD programme', but by 2002 even X-Marine, U.N. weapons inpector, and accused pedophile, Scott Ritter was expressing serious doubts about the reliability of Intel coming from Iraqi decedents regarding Saddam’s WMD development.
Excuses, excuses.

Democrats are full of excuses.

Always someone elses fault

Never take responsibility for their actions

[rascal]

Does anyone really care what the worst president in history really thinks?

Bush takes over that honor.

[BIG IRISH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Does anyone really care what the worst president in history really thinks?


ummm, yeah. he's the reason we're in this mess
Yep, it's Jimmy's fault:

Look Who's Talking
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, May 21, 2007 4:20 PM PT

Leadership: So Jimmy Carter calls the Bush administration "the worst in history." This from the man who wrecked the world's greatest economy and made a nuclear Iran and North Korea possible.

We didn't think we'd see the day when a president-elect of France would be more appreciative of America's role in the world than one of our own former presidents.

But here is Carter telling the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that President Bush's "administration has been the worst in history," one that has "endorsed the concept of pre-emptive war even when our own security is not directly threatened."

Worst President in American history.
Later, Carter called his comments "careless or misinterpreted." But given a chance to retract, he didn't. Apparently the man whose idea of leadership was to sit in front of a fireplace and blame everything on America's "malaise" does not consider Islamofascists turning passenger jets into manned cruise missiles and flying them into skyscrapers a direct threat.

Nor does he consider himself responsible for the chain of events that gave us not only 9/11, but al-Qaida, the Taliban, Hezbollah and a nuclear Iran and North Korea.

Iran

On taking office in 1977, Carter declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities. America's ally, the Shah of Iran, was one of his first targets, with Carter chastising him for his human rights record and withdrawing America's support.

One of the charges was that the Shah had been torturing about 3,000 prisoners, many of them accused of being Soviet agents. Carter sent a clear message to the Islamic fundamentalists that America would not come to the Shah's aid. His anti-Shah speeches blared from public address systems in downtown Tehran.

The irony, as noted by Steven Hayward of the American Enterprise Institute in his book, "The Real Jimmy Carter," is that the regime of Ayatollah Khomeini "executed more people in its first year in power than the Shah's SAVAK had allegedly killed in the previous 25 years." Khomeini's regime was a human rights nightmare.

When Khomeini, a former Muslim exile in Paris, overthrew the Shah in 1979, he established the first modern Islamic regime, a role model for the Taliban and the jihadists to follow.

And when the U.S. embassy was stormed that November and 52 American hostages were held for 444 days, America's lack of resolve was confirmed in the jihadist mind.

The wreckage of Carter's foreign policy was seen in the Iranian desert, where a plan to rescue the hostages, a plan never formally presented to the Joint Chiefs, resulted in the loss of eight aircraft, five airmen and three Marines. The rest, as they say, is history.

Hezbollah

As we have noted, it was the Ayatollah Khomeini who introduced the idea of suicide bombers to the Palestine Liberation Organization and who paid $35,000 to PLO families who would offer up their children as human bombs to kill as many Israelis as possible.

It was Khomeini who would give the world Hezbollah to make war on Israel and destroy the multicultural democracy that was Lebanon. And perhaps Jimmy has forgotten that Hezbollah, which he helped make possible, killed 241 U.S. Marines in their Beirut barracks in 1982.


The Soviet Union, seeing us so willingly abandon a staunch ally, invaded Afghanistan, and it was the resistance to the Soviet invasion that helped give birth to the Taliban. The Iranian revolution led to the Iraq-Iran War that took a million lives and encouraged Hussein to invade Kuwait to strengthen his position.

That led to Operation Desert Storm and bases in Saudi Arabia that fueled Islamist resentment, one of the reasons given by Osama bin Laden for striking at America, the Great Satan. Now we're about to face a nuclear Iran as we are embroiled in a war on terror.

If we'd stuck by the Shah and his successors, the history of the last 25 years in the Middle East and here at home would have been very different. As Hayward observes, the fruits of Carter's Iran disaster are with us still, spawning the rise of radical Islam, terrorism, the Taliban and al-Qaida.

North Korea

When President Clinton first learned of the North Korean nuclear program in 1994, a surgical strike against its Yongbyong reactor might have sufficed to send Pyongyang a message that a nuclear North Korea was unacceptable.

Instead, Clinton allowed Jimmy Carter to engage in some private foreign policy and jet off to the last Stalinist regime on earth to broker a deal whereby North Korea would promise to forgo a nuclear weapons program in exchange for a basket of goodies that included oil, fool and, amazingly, nuclear technology.

Along the way, Carter praised North Korea's mass-murdering dictator as a "vigorous and intelligent man." And of North Korea itself, Carter said of this habitat for inhumanity: "I don't see they are an outlaw nation."

Cold War

Jimmy Carter also once challenged Ronald Reagan's "aggressive" and successful strategy for winning the Cold War. Perhaps he'd like to send one of his Habitat for Humanity crews to rebuild the Berlin Wall brick by tyrannical brick. The fact is that Jimmy Carter could not have done more to damage our national security had he been a hand-picked mole planted in the White House by the KGB.

When Carter left office, the Soviet Union was on the march from Grenada to Afghanistan, control of the strategic Panama Canal had been given away, our military had planes that couldn't fly and ships that couldn't sail for lack of trained crews and spare parts, production of the B-1 strategic bomber had been canceled and our economy was in no shape to resist Soviet expansion.

Jimmy Carter, the man who makes Neville Chamberlain look like Dirty Harry, made his remarks about President Bush while promoting his audiobook series of Bible lessons for children. Jimmy, thou shalt not bear false witness against your president and country. Haven't you done enough damage? If you want to see our worst ex-president, look in the mirror.

Ps. Jimmy Friggen Carter. The root of all evil.


• Carter: Interest rate, 21%. Inflation, 13.5%. Unemployment, 7%. The so-called "Misery Index," which Carter used to great effect in his 1976 campaign to win election, 20.5%.

• Reagan's last year: Interest rate, 9%. Inflation, 4.1%. Unemployment, 5.5%. Misery Index, 9.6%.

• Bush today: Interest rate, 8%. Inflation, 2.6%. Unemployment, 4.5%. Misery Index, 7.1%.


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"And when the U.S. embassy was stormed that November and 52 American hostages were held for 444 days, America's lack of resolve was confirmed in the jihadist mind."

The fabled US military fucked up their raid in the desert, not Carter.

It was Reagan who made a deal NOT to retaliate against Iran once the hostages were releaseed, not Carter.

"And perhaps Jimmy has forgotten that Hezbollah, which he helped make possible, killed 241 U.S. Marines in their Beirut barracks in 1982."

Again, Reagan couldn't figure out who/how to hit back, nor did he try to re-establish US military presence in Lebanon. He as the Repugs, love to say, "cut and run".

[BIG IRISH]

"And when the U.S. embassy was stormed that November and 52 American hostages were held for 444 days, America's lack of resolve was confirmed in the jihadist mind."

The fabled US military fucked up their raid in the desert, not Carter.

The wreckage of Carter's foreign policy was seen in the Iranian desert, where a plan to rescue the hostages, a plan never formally presented to the Joint Chiefs, resulted in the loss of eight aircraft, five airmen and three Marines.

Reading problems??

It was Reagan who made a deal NOT to retaliate against Iran once the hostages were releaseed, not Carter.
It worked they were released.

"And perhaps Jimmy has forgotten that Hezbollah, which he helped make possible, killed 241 U.S. Marines in their Beirut barracks in 1982."

Again, Reagan couldn't figure out who/how to hit back, nor did he try to re-establish US military presence in Lebanon. He as the Repugs, love to say, "cut and run".
Can't have a military presence if that Country's Government doesn't want you.


and for your enjoyment:

Leadership: In foreign policy, Jimmy Carter proved his presidency the worst ever by subordinating U.S. interests to his vague "human rights" policy. All he did was enable dictators to take him to the cleaners.

A Feeble President

Leadership: When men of strength are presented with difficult problems, their responses are firm and decisive. Jimmy Carter spent four years as president of the United States responding with weakness.


Leadership: On President Jimmy Carter's watch, more territory was lost to tyranny than at any other time since Yalta. And he'd have us return to those thrilling days of yesteryear.

Iran: Carter's Habitat For Inhumanity

Leadership: In the name of human rights, Jimmy Carter gave rise to one of the worst rights violators in history — the Ayatollah Khomeini. And now Khomeini's successor is preparing for nuclear war with Israel and the West.

Carter Planted Seeds Of Al-Qaida

Leadership: After being told over and over by President Jimmy Carter that America's ability to influence world events was "very limited," the Soviet Union believed him and invaded Afghanistan. And al-Qaida was born.
Jimmy showeed the russians by boycotting the Olympics :rolleyes

Leadership: When it comes to economic performance, there's no contest: Apart from the early years of the Depression, Jimmy Carter's brief tenure as president was the worst in the 20th century.

Leadership: So Jimmy Carter calls the Bush administration "the worst in history." This from the man who wrecked the world's greatest economy and made a nuclear Iran and North Korea possible.


Carter's reputation will remain in tatters, given his anti-Israel diatribes. The peanut farmer from Georgia, once the leader of the free world, now seems a very small man indeed.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Yep, it's Jimmy's fault (followed by some hackneyed editorial that Big Idiot foolishly thought anyone would care to read.)

Ooops, I thought he meant Bush. Wild Cobra don't use the phrase "worst president" unless you're referring to Bush.

[xrayzebra]

But Carter was good a building chairs and framing houses.

[Oh, Gee!!]

But Carter was good a building chairs and framing houses.

Wow, that post was almost coherent. Are you on your meds again?

[xrayzebra]

^^You still here, thought they had banned you from the
computer at the home...... :wakeup

[smeagol]

Carter looked like a president from a Latin American country. He was fucking clueless.

[Nbadan]

And perhaps Jimmy has forgotten that Hezbollah, which he helped make possible, killed 241 U.S. Marines in their Beirut barracks in 1982.

And what did Reagan do again?

[Nbadan]

Leadership: After being told over and over by President Jimmy Carter that America's ability to influence world events was "very limited," the Soviet Union believed him and invaded Afghanistan. And al-Qaida was born. Jimmy showed the russians by boycotting the Olympics

Yeah, much better to start WW3 over Afghanistan. Or we could arm the mujahadeen with stingers, kick the Russians out of Afghanistan, and plant the seeds to what would eventually become Al-Queda.

[BIG IRISH]

Ooops, I thought he meant Bush. Wild Cobra don't use the phrase "worst president" unless you're referring to Bush.


Yep, it's Jimmy's fault (followed by some hackneyed editorial that Big Idiot foolishly thought anyone would care to read.) .

Oh, Gee, silly me, I forgot you were still in diapers/pull-ups when JC
was elected and had just started grade school or was it finished 1st grade of your public eduction when JC was done?
Your knowledge of History, let me make it very simple and for you I must

Jimmy Carter is the WORST President in History.
Bush 2 is only the most corrupt.