Utah's Fans Throwing Crap on the Floor

[implacable44]

I'll go ahead and put an end to another 2 pages of coyish back and forth about the underpants, and put it right out there in the open:

now we all know that Chump is referring to the kinda "secret" special underware that all devout mormons are sopposed to wear at all times unless they are bathing or having sex. they go from collar bone to just above the knee, have 3 weird symbols, and on woman have a cap sleeve. you need a valid temple recomend, your special temple name, and your # to order them.

now lets get past this little hump in the coversation and proceed with the smack.


in the words of martina mcbride - " Wrong again"

You do not need any special temple name or # - You don't even know what the h e double hockey sticks you are talking about. You can go to any distribution center - there is one in San Antonio and one in Dallas. Special temple name ? and # ? get a clue -

It is not devout Mormons - rather it is mormons who have been through the temple - not really devout. There are no restrictions - bathing ? Sex? I don't wear mine when I cut the grass or play basketball among other things.

[ObiwanGinobili]

in the words of martina mcbride - " Wrong again"

You do not need any special temple name or # - You don't even know what the h e double hockey sticks you are talking about. You can go to any distribution center - there is one in San Antonio and one in Dallas. Special temple name ? and # ? get a clue -

It is not devout Mormons - rather it is mormons who have been through the temple - not really devout. There are no restrictions - bathing ? Sex? I don't wear mine when I cut the grass or play basketball among other things.

you have alot of barely represssed anger.

[Marcus Bryant]

My God, it's Ned Flanders.

[ObiwanGinobili]

My God, it's Ned Flanders.

:lol I don't even not like this guy. But you dangle just a tiny little bit of somethign and he jumps all over it like a starlet in the laxative aisle. I mean - who can resist?

[Borosai]

http://boboblogger.mu.nu/archives/temple%20garment.jpg

[bricks]

http://boboblogger.mu.nu/archives/temple%20garment.jpg
Now that is just sinful to post that kind of filth showing people in their unmentionables. :oops

[implacable44]

:lol I don't even not like this guy. But you dangle just a tiny little bit of somethign and he jumps all over it like a starlet in the laxative aisle. I mean - who can resist?

you dangle a tiny bit of something ? so you didn't believe that stuff you wrote trying to explain garments ?

[4down]

That last post with the pic of Mormons wearing the garment is a low blow. Some of you might not know what the heck the picture is, but if you must know, they are worn by Mormons as a reminder of sacred promises they (we) make to God. We hold those sacred. People make a big deal that Mormons hold them sacred and that they happen to cover the body, (we also believe in modest dress, and the garment encourages that) but they have other symbolic meanings as well. I would hope that the mods delete those posts because it is offensive to us. They are meant to be inward symbols of a sacred promise. Some wear a yamulke, or a habit, or priests robes. They are outward symbols of devotion to their Faith and God.We wear them under our clothes not to hide the fact that we are mormon, but to keep the message internal and not flaunt that to the world Not to imply that outward symblos do, BTW. People of many faiths wear articles of clothing, simple jewelry, and headdress as reminders of their faith.

As far as the whole Mormon issue is concerned, there was some Mormon on Mormon violence at the game. I happen to be from SA, attended BYU and live in SLC. But am still and always will be a huge Spurs fan. Anyway, a particularly bitter Jazz fan acted like a jerk the whole game, and eventually snatched a sign I had and we got into a little shoving match and near scuffle. We stopped short of a full on brawl, (I didn't want to get kicked out and/or pummeled by the 500 Jazz fans immediately around me). But a bunch of Jazz fans formed a little protective wall around me and told the other guy to calm down. It was obvious that he had instigated the matter, and I was just there to cheer my team. They all apologized for his behavior and said they hoped I didn't think all Jazz fans were like that. They probably didn't realize I was Mormon. And near the end of the game the guy ended up apologizing and all was well. A few of the fans there acted like total jackasses. Most were just cheering their team and booing what they percieved to be bad calls. I found myself wishing that Spurs fansd were that pasionate at the ATT center. But all in all it was a great game played very competitively until the end, with the actions of a boorish minority marring the feel of it.

In the end, I think we want the same thing - to be having a good ol' time at a party on the Riverwalk in July.

GSG

[4down]

Well, you could have fooled me when I spent a week in SLC about two years ago. I have never seen a whiter city in my life. It was very weird. Everyone looks the same- no diversity whatsoever. Never have I seen a more homogenous city. I did not see one black or hispanic person during the whole time. If there were blacks in the crowd (and I didn't see any) they were probably families of the Jazz. I'd like to see a screen shot of this so-called diversity.

also, just pulled this up:
All seven members of the Salt Lake City Council belong to the Mormon Church, and the state Legislature is at least 90 percent Mormon. Utah is about three-quarters Mormon; Salt Lake City is about 50-50, Mormons and non-Mormons.

50% is a very high percentage.

Considering it used to be about 100%, thats not quite as high as it used to be. There is also a growing, (albeit still small Hispanic population here, and I'm part of that.) Implacable is also right on when he mentioned the large Polynesian population here. It's another growing segment. The town is definitely very caucasian, but not entirely homogenous either, and not as homogenous as you may think. If you ever come up, PM me and I'll let you know of some cool places to check out.

[bricks]

As far as the whole Mormon issue is concerned, there was some Mormon on Mormon violence at the game. I happen to be from SA, attended BYU and live in SLC. But am still and always will be a huge Spurs fan. Anyway, a particularly bitter Jazz fan acted like a jerk the whole game, and eventually snatched a sign I had and we got into a little shoving match and near scuffle. We stopped short of a full on brawl, (I didn't want to get kicked out and/or pummeled by the 500 Jazz fans immediately around me). But a bunch of Jazz fans formed a little protective wall around me and told the other guy to calm down. It was obvious that he had instigated the matter, and I was just there to cheer my team. They all apologized for his behavior and said they hoped I didn't think all Jazz fans were like that. They probably didn't realize I was Mormon. And near the end of the game the guy ended up apologizing and all was well. A few of the fans there acted like total jackasses.
GSG
Very well said. Last year at the last game aginst Dallas there was a knucklehead a couple of rows in front of us that had too much to drink. There were a two young kids in town cheering for the Mavs. The drunken fool in front of us and his friends were doing their best to provoke a fight. I told the kids that if anything broke out I'd help defend them. This bunch of idiots dishonored our city just as a small percentage did yours.

[conqueso]

I don't think he answered my question about the underpants either.

This was the first post in this thread that I read, and it is the only one I need to read. Best post in SpursTalk history. Chump should get a Spur for this.

[conqueso]

My first Spurs game, when I was 7 years old, in the Hemisfair Arena, I was sitting behind a particularly rowdy group of fans. It could have been the Baseline Bums, I don't know. There were words spoken that I had never heard before (words which incidentally have become an integral part of my fucking vocabulary since then) and I actually witnessed (or remember witnessing through the fog of time) a certain bum attempting to pour his beer on an opposing player as they were walking away from the court to the locker room at the end of the game.

I'm not trying to excuse the Utah fans, I'm just trying to say that for a time, the Spurs fans embodied everything that we are criticizing Jazz/Suns fans for (and more). Even though everyone will hate me for saying this, whatever: no harm, no foul. If punches aren't thrown or someone isn't getting physically hurt, I'm fine with it. Heckling is a part of sports, and sometimes motherfuckers deserve a beer shower. But fisticuffs isn't cool. Only one exception to that: Vernon Maxwell. That asshole fan deserved exactly what he got.

[bricks]

But fisticuffs isn't cool. Only one exception to that: Vernon Maxwell. That asshole fan deserved exactly what he got.
Agreed, that butthole needed an asswhipping.

[UV Ray]

And I posterized Karl Malone then kicked Shaq's ass in a prison cell. I'm the man.

Between comic books, you might enjoy a little light reading.


http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/05-25-07-books/guvnor3.jpg

[ObiwanGinobili]

That last post with the pic of Mormons wearing the garment is a low blow. Some of you might not know what the heck the picture is, but if you must know, they are worn by Mormons as a reminder of sacred promises they (we) make to God. We hold those sacred. People make a big deal that Mormons hold them sacred and that they happen to cover the body, (we also believe in modest dress, and the garment encourages that) but they have other symbolic meanings as well. I would hope that the mods delete those posts because it is offensive to us. They are meant to be inward symbols of a sacred promise. Some wear a yamulke, or a habit, or priests robes. They are outward symbols of devotion to their Faith and God.We wear them under our clothes not to hide the fact that we are mormon, but to keep the message internal and not flaunt that to the world Not to imply that outward symblos do, BTW. People of many faiths wear articles of clothing, simple jewelry, and headdress as reminders of their faith.

As far as the whole Mormon issue is concerned, there was some Mormon on Mormon violence at the game. I happen to be from SA, attended BYU and live in SLC. But am still and always will be a huge Spurs fan. Anyway, a particularly bitter Jazz fan acted like a jerk the whole game, and eventually snatched a sign I had and we got into a little shoving match and near scuffle. We stopped short of a full on brawl, (I didn't want to get kicked out and/or pummeled by the 500 Jazz fans immediately around me). But a bunch of Jazz fans formed a little protective wall around me and told the other guy to calm down. It was obvious that he had instigated the matter, and I was just there to cheer my team. They all apologized for his behavior and said they hoped I didn't think all Jazz fans were like that. They probably didn't realize I was Mormon. And near the end of the game the guy ended up apologizing and all was well. A few of the fans there acted like total jackasses. Most were just cheering their team and booing what they percieved to be bad calls. I found myself wishing that Spurs fansd were that pasionate at the ATT center. But all in all it was a great game played very competitively until the end, with the actions of a boorish minority marring the feel of it.

In the end, I think we want the same thing - to be having a good ol' time at a party on the Riverwalk in July.

GSG

:clap excellent post dude.

[GrandeDavid]

you are pathetic , inept and the definition of Stupid. I am not a Jazz fan now - nor will I ever be. Try not to sidestep conversations - this is adult conversation and your petty insults are not called for or required. You detract from the conversation. Next time you post try to think your own thoughts instead of just co-signing whoever you can for brownie points. Go away to the lil kid forum.

Well, wasting my time in this thread is arguably pathetic, inept and stupid...but I couldn't resist. And sorry to hammer on you, but actually it was you whom I felt was straying off topic. Just too much fun! :lol

[GrandeDavid]

implacable is a self-pitying case study who proudly wears his persecution complex on his sleave...except when he's playing against Shaq or, perhaps, a handful of former Spurs. :rolleyes

I could go to the "who I know" card all day long, but what's the point? Its an anonymous fan forum and why be so damn shallow and boastful?

This person is all over the board with, at best, half ass insights, but mostly aggravating insults. How easy it is to pull this person's strings. Hot air, no value. Talk all you want, you could also be disgruntled 15 year old for all we know.

What a great little boy implacable seems to be. :lol

[Mavs<Spurs]

Just to set the record straight:



wow your post is so wrong in so many ways that I don't even know where to begin to address any of it. This kind of speak was begat by ignorance......

I always wonder why people break out the Shakespearen English when speaking today and why the Mormon Bible is written in King James English.

After all, it was written in the 1800's. People in the first centry A. D. did not speak English, King James or otherwise. He came later.

People in the 1800's in America did not largely speak Shakesearen English either.

I guess this is just the result of paraphrasing the work of another time as best you can.

And at least to certain people it sounds more holy.


No, simply the conclusions of virtually all nonMormon scholars.
Name a nonMormon professionally trained archaeologist who believes that Christ visited South America in the 1600's.


HE did not incite a gun fight...He was incarcerated in a jail and a mob stormed the prison. Way to distort the truth and promote ignorance.

Even supposing it was self-defense, is this what you expect out of a spiritual leader.

Gandi would not have approved. Nor Mother Theresa. Hard to imagine Abraham or Christ sanctioning this type of behavior either.
I won't now speculate on the other version of theism.

No one takes it from me; I lay it down of my own accord. - Christ speaking of his death. This is the idea of martyr. No one takes it from me, I lay it down of my own accord. How well Joseph Smith's death fits with idea I will let all men that are able judge.




http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/martyr_joseph.htm

Your url cited a source that disagreed with his conclusions.
Martyr, as normally understood, does not shoot other people with a gun, while trying to avoid death.
Example: Christ and the apostles.

Citing an Elder is probably not a good way of showing neutrality.



Here is a neutral site - not an LDS site - not an ANTI site - neutral.. and historically accurate.


As for geology to support - here is another independent link to refute your ignorance :
http://www.jefflindsay.com/BMEvidences.shtml


Right. Christ really did visit South America in the 1600s.
And the fact that no professionally trained archeologist who is not a Mormon in the entire world believes this is simply a coincidence.

I like 3 Nephi Chapter 13 where Jesus is teaching the Nephites the Lord's prayer.

Interesting. Good stuff.

City after city that has yet to be found.

here is your answer :
http://www.blacklds.org/

and finally - if you want to get technical about polygamy -- and since you brought up the Bible where polygamy was practiced ...

http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/

http://www.bibletruths.net/Archives/BTAR324.htm

The Bible describes Cain killing Abel also. Therefore, the Bible permits murder.

Interesting logic. Simply because Biblical characters, even saints, practiced things does not make it right. Or should it still be considered morally acceptable? Can't have it both ways. Genesis 2:24 precedes all the polygamous violations.

and there are many others - the church allowed polygamy in a very limited form. -- it was not widespread - but it was practiced and deals primarily with the issue of women outnumbering men and the relevance of marraige and family.

Ah, so polygamy is okay so long as women outnumber men.
If you say so.


The diversity in Utah ? What does that mean ? There are more polynesians in Utah than just about anywhere else in the United States. African Americans, Latinos - Asians -- I lived there for 6 years and there is plenty of diversity -- not to mention there are more languages spoken in Utah than anywhere save the UN.


Right. Utah is a very diverse place. Either Caucasians now are in the minority in Texas, or in the very near future, they will be.

New York and California are examples of diverse states. Clearly, Utah does not fit most people's understanding of diversity.

[BacktoBasics]

oh lets go -- Johnny moore -- played with and against him in city leagues down on the west side - TObin and another place I can't remember - Alvin Robertson in the pro-am and Randolph Air Force Base sir -

then of course we played at Trinity all the time -- Artie, Jerald me and a few other folks would head down to Trinity. And Soto used to open his gym and everyone used to play there - Artie - Tim showed up a few times - Monty Williams when he was in town -I do know of a few that from time to time made it to Trinity. Otherwise I can't confirm the rest. I told you what I know via PM. The park behind Bradley middle school was the most frequented place I know of. Also one other place that comes to mind is Ladybird Johnson.

[implacable44]

Well, wasting my time in this thread is arguably pathetic, inept and stupid...but I couldn't resist. And sorry to hammer on you, but actually it was you whom I felt was straying off topic. Just too much fun! :lol


I didn't stray off topic - I addressed thre hypocritcal bigotry that was and is still going on. ... and it is fun watching clowns like you try to defend your bigotry.

[implacable44]

implacable is a self-pitying case study who proudly wears his persecution complex on his sleave...except when he's playing against Shaq or, perhaps, a handful of former Spurs. :rolleyes

I could go to the "who I know" card all day long, but what's the point? Its an anonymous fan forum and why be so damn shallow and boastful?

This person is all over the board with, at best, half ass insights, but mostly aggravating insults. How easy it is to pull this person's strings. Hot air, no value. Talk all you want, you could also be disgruntled 15 year old for all we know.

What a great little boy implacable seems to be. :lol


I do not self pity nor do I play the victim role. If you are going to speak about a religion -- make sure you know what you are talking about. Don't promote ignorance. I neither feel persecuted or bothered by some ignorant people on a message board. I take it at face value - but is it ignorance or stupidity ?

I don't play the who I know card. WHo cares? THose are people I played ball with - regularly in San Antonio. There are another few thousand guys that can make the same statement. so what? The people who take offense to that kind of comment are folks with issues -- insecurities. I played with Shaq - I played with some Spurs and Ex- Spurs and I also played with RUss gage and Olsen HArris - as well as my little brothers.

Hot air ? insults ? -- I was being insulted with ignorance and name calling - laced with profanity. half -as* insights? as opposed to ? We can talk basketball all day and I am confident there is no insight or understanding you can provide that would be new to me.

[implacable44]

I do know of a few that from time to time made it to Trinity. Otherwise I can't confirm the rest. I told you what I know via PM. The park behind Bradley middle school was the most frequented place I know of. Also one other place that comes to mind is Ladybird Johnson.


Trintiy was always good-- actuallyt he best place to hoop was Incarnate Word -- without a doubt -- well randolph was pretty darn good too and closer to my house.

[implacable44]

Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44




wow your post is so wrong in so many ways that I don't even know where to begin to address any of it. This kind of speak was begat by ignorance......

I always wonder why people break out the Shakespearen English when speaking today and why the Mormon Bible is written in King James English.

After all, it was written in the 1800's. People in the first centry A. D. did not speak English, King James or otherwise. He came later.

People in the 1800's in America did not largely speak Shakesearen English either.

I guess this is just the result of paraphrasing the work of another time as best you can.

And at least to certain people it sounds more holy.


No, simply the conclusions of virtually all nonMormon scholars.
Name a nonMormon professionally trained archaeologist who believes that Christ visited South America in the 1600's.


HE did not incite a gun fight...He was incarcerated in a jail and a mob stormed the prison. Way to distort the truth and promote ignorance.

Even supposing it was self-defense, is this what you expect out of a spiritual leader.

Gandi would not have approved. Nor Mother Theresa. Hard to imagine Abraham or Christ sanctioning this type of behavior either.
I won't now speculate on the other version of theism.

No one takes it from me; I lay it down of my own accord. - Christ speaking of his death. This is the idea of martyr. No one takes it from me, I lay it down of my own accord. How well Joseph Smith's death fits with idea I will let all men that are able judge.




http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/...rtyr_joseph.htm

Your url cited a source that disagreed with his conclusions.
Martyr, as normally understood, does not shoot other people with a gun, while trying to avoid death.
Example: Christ and the apostles.

Citing an Elder is probably not a good way of showing neutrality.



Here is a neutral site - not an LDS site - not an ANTI site - neutral.. and historically accurate.


As for geology to support - here is another independent link to refute your ignorance :
http://www.jefflindsay.com/BMEvidences.shtml


Right. Christ really did visit South America in the 1600s.
And the fact that no professionally trained archeologist who is not a Mormon in the entire world believes this is simply a coincidence.

I like 3 Nephi Chapter 13 where Jesus is teaching the Nephites the Lord's prayer.

Interesting. Good stuff.

City after city that has yet to be found.

here is your answer :
http://www.blacklds.org/

and finally - if you want to get technical about polygamy -- and since you brought up the Bible where polygamy was practiced ...

http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/

http://www.bibletruths.net/Archives/BTAR324.htm

The Bible describes Cain killing Abel also. Therefore, the Bible permits murder.

Interesting logic. Simply because Biblical characters, even saints, practiced things does not make it right. Or should it still be considered morally acceptable? Can't have it both ways. Genesis 2:24 precedes all the polygamous violations.

and there are many others - the church allowed polygamy in a very limited form. -- it was not widespread - but it was practiced and deals primarily with the issue of women outnumbering men and the relevance of marraige and family.

Ah, so polygamy is okay so long as women outnumber men.
If you say so.


The diversity in Utah ? What does that mean ? There are more polynesians in Utah than just about anywhere else in the United States. African Americans, Latinos - Asians -- I lived there for 6 years and there is plenty of diversity -- not to mention there are more languages spoken in Utah than anywhere save the UN.





Right. Utah is a very diverse place. Either Caucasians now are in the minority in Texas, or in the very near future, they will be.

New York and California are examples of diverse states. Clearly, Utah does not fit most people's understanding of diversity.

Why are they diverse? Because caucasians are the minority ? I guess it depends on your point of view 0 -- which I can only guess at being on a message board-- and that would lead me to believe that you share liberal ideas. I could be wrong though - Utah is diverse and yet there are pockets of UTah that are very sheltered -- but then there are pockets of San Antonio that are the same... I am sure it is that way everywhere.

As far as theology -- the language of the BofM etc.. we can talk about how many times the Bible has been translated , altered, adjusted, etc...or hwo the Lord himself smote people and whole towns thus murdering them I reckon -- and we can have a have a debate on theology but for that to happen it would need to be a level playing field. So state your beliefs and we can continue ....