Chuck Norris's Wahabi School

[Nbadan]

L.V. “Butch” Foreman, a member of the Ector County school board in Odessa, Texas, has three words for parents who say the district’s Bible course crosses the line: “kiss my butt.” Said Foreman


“If they don’t have children in the class, they can kiss my butt,” Foreman said. “They’re just looking to impose their beliefs and their views on everybody, and we don’t put up with that crap out here.”

If the plaintiffs did have children enrolled in the classes, then Foreman said he would tell the students to drop the class and take another course since it’s an elective.


The ACLU has filed a lawsuit over this. The program is based on views from Jesse Helms, Tony Perkings, and has the support of Chuck Norris.The ACLU claims it is like teaching a Sunday School Class right in the school room. It does not present the Bible objectively, but teaches it as history.

More about Chuck Norris involvement.

Unbeatable Martial-Arts Thespian Lends Fist to Bible-in-Schools Campaign


Chuck Norris, star of TV’s “Walker, Texas Ranger” as well as films including “Missing in Action” and “Delta Force 2,” and his wife Gena have joined the board of directors of the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools (NCBCPS):

“We receive a lot of requests to get behind a lot of things, but it took us only a few minutes to know that we were to stand behind this important work,” the Norrises said. Mr. and Mrs. Norris are featured in a popular television public service announcement that encourages citizens to bring the Bible back to America’s public schools as an available elective course of study. The announcements are aired on several national networks."

The Norris announcements inform viewers that they can call the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools (NCBCPS) to receive information on how any citizen can help their local school board implement the NCBCPS curriculum.

As People For the American Way Foundation’s research has revealed, the goal of NCBCPS is not to improve students’ understanding of history and literature, but to promote Christian doctrine in public schools – unlike other Bible curricula such as the Bible Literacy Project. In fact, a Florida court found that NCBCPS taught religious matters – such as miracles and Jesus’ resurrection – as historical fact, and held its New Testament section in violation of the separation of church and state.


"Kiss my butt" is actually from a passage in the Bible. Deut. 21:10 (rough translation)

[boutons_]

Midland-Odessa, the ignorant/desert/western/fuck you/kiss my butt/culture-less culture that "nourished" young dubya.

[ObiwanGinobili]

True story -

When I worked for Airgas we had alot of accountsin Midland/Odessa (and amarillo, and SA, and Washington and 1/ the country.... but I only dealt with Texxas).
I reguarlar had to call a handfull of companies there because thier accounts were always messed up, payments late, remit advice unreadable etc.

EVERYSINGLE time i got off the phone - instead of saying "thankyou" or "have a nice day" they would say "Blessings" or "you have a blessed day".
huh?
now I am actually christian, but I started responding "may gaia keep you" just because the blessing shit was gettign on my nerves.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think that religion shouldn't be taught in schools like that, but honestly, if it's an elective at a school and kids don't have to take that class to graduate, what's the big deal?

Hell, every college campus in the country has religious studies type courses, where's the outrage over that?

What were people expecting out of a Bible course, anyway? :lol

[Oh, Gee!!]

“They’re just looking to impose their beliefs and their views on everybody, and we don’t put up with that crap out here.”


Maybe they put up with that crap over in Afghanistan, but not around here.

[boutons_]

“They’re just looking to impose their beliefs and their views on everybody, and we don’t put up with that crap out here.”

Self-righteous dumbfuck Foreman is imposing HIS religious views on tax-financed public school students.

[gtownspur]

Maybe they put up with that crap over in Afghanistan, but not around here.


It's funny how liberals act as if biblical values will bring the next Auschwitz.

[Oh, Gee!!]

It's funny how liberals act as if biblical values will bring the next Auschwitz.


that's exactly how they act. great insight :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Tax dollars at work.

[Oh, Gee!!]

More big government

[Nbadan]

Maybe a class in religion wouldn't be such a bad idea, cause we sure aren't learning it in Church...


The United States is the most religious nation in the developed world, if religiosity is measured by belief in all things supernatural -- from God and the Virgin Birth to the humbler workings of angels and demons. Americans are also the most religiously ignorant people in the Western world. Fewer than half of us can identify Genesis as the first book of the Bible, and only one third know that Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount.

...

The condition Prothero describes in Religious Literacy is unquestionably one manifestation of a more general decline in the public's cultural and civic knowledge. According to polls conducted by the National Constitution Center, only one third of Americans can name even one of the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment. Is it any more startling that only one third can identify the preacher of the Sermon on the Mount?

A 2005 survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that nearly two-thirds of Americans endorse the simultaneous teaching of creationism and evolution in public schools. How can citizens know what creationism means, or make an informed decision about whether it belongs in classrooms, if fewer than half can identify Genesis? No doubt the same proportion of Americans think that Thomas Edison said, "Let there be light."

Approximately 75 percent of adults, according to polls cited by Prothero, mistakenly believe the Bible teaches that "God helps those who help themselves." More than 10 percent think that Noah's wife was Joan of Arc. Only half can name even one of the four Gospels, and -- a finding that will surprise many -- evangelical Christians are only slightly more knowledgeable than their non-evangelical counterparts."

Washington POst (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/01/AR2007030102073.html)

Some people must prefer faith to knowledge.

Doh! (http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/17/ten_commandments_con.html)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Again, what's the big deal exactly? UT, A&M, and Tech are all publically funded state institutions, and all teach religious courses.

[BradLohaus]

It does not present the Bible objectively, but teaches it as history.

I thought that many parts of the Bible could be considered as historical record. Now if they are proselytizing, that's obviously another matter.

The Bible is the most popular book in the history of humanity. I've never understood why public schools in the Western world have to pretend it doesn't exist.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I thought that many parts of the Bible could be considered as historical record. Now if they are proselytizing, that's obviously another matter.

The Bible is the most popular book in the history of humanity. I've never understood why public schools in the Western world have to pretend it doesn't exist.

Particularly when there have been stories of students having to read the Qur'an, etc. I guess religion in our schools is okay as long as it's not Christianity...

[Nbadan]

Again, what's the big deal exactly? UT, A&M, and Tech are all publically funded state institutions, and all teach religious courses.

My problem with this is that religion isn't based on fact, it's based on personal beliefs. If we are going to have a class on one niche of religion - Christianity, then it should be centered around a philosophical debate about the origins of the religion and what it means to be a Christian, but that's not what the Christian wahabi want. They want to teach intelligent design and that the earth is only 6000 years old.

[PixelPusher]

A course of study on the Bible has value for it's historic, literary and cultural influence on Western Civilization. You can take a course in classical Greek Mythology without it being recruitment for Pantheism, why not the Bible?

[boutons_]

Teaching Christianity as the One True Religion to the exclusion of all other religions isn't an academic, teaching that the Bible is historically, scientifically accurate isn't academic, it's bullshit. A tax-payer funded public school promoting Christianity violates separation of church and state.

Teaching about Christianity and other religions, the development of religions and religious thought, comparing religions, etc, are legitimate academic subjects already taught in many universities, private and public.

These fucking fascist, self-righteous, retrogressive, kiss-my-butt-in-the-the-name-of-Christ "Christians" already have all the Churches and charter schools and Bible schools and Liberty and Oral Roberts universities, why do the insist on forcing their Christian propagandazing into public schools? The fucking country is going nuts.

[RandomGuy]

A course of study on the Bible has value for it's historic, literary and cultural influence on Western Civilization. You can take a course in classical Greek Mythology without it being recruitment for Pantheism, why not the Bible?

I agree.

Such a class would have to walk a very fine line, but has value academically.

[boutons_]

"to walk a very fine line"

Given that the teachers of "Christian" classes would probably be Bible-obsessed assholes, esp in TX where HS teachers are famously unqualified, such a line would violated more than respected. If kids want to follow Christianity, go to church or go to a (academically sub-standard) "Christian" charter school, etc, etc. Public schools, paid for also with Jewish/Hindu/atheist/agnostic tax dollars, don't teach/promote Christianity.

[Spurminator]

I see a lot of assumptions here about how the Odessa course teaches The Bible but no links or real testimony (for example, teaching The Bible as "historical fact.")

[RandomGuy]

"to walk a very fine line"

Given that the teachers of "Christian" classes would probably be Bible-obsessed assholes, esp in TX where HS teachers are famously unqualified, such a line would violated more than respected.

This is something that proponents would never admit to in public, but would be the underlying reality. This is the reason why I would probably oppose such a class personally if it were my kids in that school, unless I could go over the curriculum with a fine toothed comb, and audit the class on occasion.

[boutons_]

Judging by the tone of "kiss-my-ever-loving-Christian-militant-butt", do you think they are talking about "fair and balanced" academic study of all religions? or courses proselytizing only Christianity?

With these "Christian" Bible-thumping assholes, assuming the worst is the assuming the most probable.

[xrayzebra]

Judging by the tone of "kiss-my-ever-loving-Christian-militant-butt", do you think they are talking about "fair and balanced" academic study of all religions? or courses proselytizing only Christianity?

We these "Christian" Bible-thumping assholes, assuming the worst is the assuming the most probable.

You mean like they teach global warming is going to kill
you and all the animals and flood the earth.

[Spurminator]

Judging by the tone of "kiss-my-ever-loving-Christian-militant-butt", do you think they are talking about "fair and balanced" academic study of all religions? or courses proselytizing only Christianity?

We these "Christian" Bible-thumping assholes, assuming the worst is the assuming the most probable.


Then it shouldn't be too hard to find real evidence.

[boutons_]

"Then it shouldn't be too hard to find real evidence."

Show me the evidence that the course syllabus covers all religions as academic subjects and that the school administrators have controls in place so that favoring one religion over another will be policed.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Then it shouldn't be too hard to find real evidence."

Show me the evidence that the course syllabus covers all religions as academic subjects and that the school administrators have controls in place so that favoring one religion over another will be policed.

Why the fuck would a course on the Bible cover all religions? Are you this fucking stupid?

[Spurminator]

"Then it shouldn't be too hard to find real evidence."

Show me the evidence that the course syllabus covers all religions as academic subjects and that the school administrators have controls in place so that favoring one religion over another will be policed.


I didn't start the thread or bring a lawsuit against the school.

[BradLohaus]

A course of study on the Bible has value for it's historic, literary and cultural influence on Western Civilization. You can take a course in classical Greek Mythology without it being recruitment for Pantheism, why not the Bible?

That's a good point. I remember being in Jr. High and and spending half the year in some class (Reading?) studying Greek Mythology. We were all experts by the time we were done. Gaia, Uranus, the Titans, all the stories - Zeus turning into a swan to have sex with a mortal women - I knew all that crap, and I guess I still remember some of it. This was in small town Texas, BTW.

My point is, I think we would have all gotten more out of studying the Bible in any capacity for a week than we did studying this pagan religion for months.

[boutons_]

"Why the fuck would a course on the Bible cover all religions?"

Are you this fucking stupid? Teaching the Bible as religion is not for public schools.

[xrayzebra]

It's funny how liberals act as if biblical values will bring the next Auschwitz.


I find it sad that the liberals have no real sense of right
and wrong. Just we have to have justice and peace.
Guess they haven't really read the bible. It teaches the
principles they hold so dear. Also they really don't know
much about American history and who and why it was
founded. They only know the revised history of the U.S.

[Spurminator]

Some additional info, with links.


The American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of Texas, People For the American Way Foundation, and the law firm of Jenner & Block, LLP filed a federal lawsuit today in the Western District of Texas on behalf of eight parents who say that the Bible course offered in their local high schools violates their religious liberty by promoting particular religious beliefs to children in their community. Some of the parents have children who have graduated from these high schools and some have children who will soon enter them.

http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/29738prs20070516.html

Now, I'm not sure it should make a difference whether the lawsuit is brought on behalf of people who have children enrolled in this elective, but it's worth knowing.



Specifically, the course has five main objectives, as stated in the curriculum:

To equip the student with a fundamental understanding of the important literary forms contained in the Bible, as well as people and symbols often referred to in literature, art, and music;

To equip the student with a fundamental understanding of the influence of the Bible on history, law, American community life and culture;

To give insight into the world views of America's Founding Fathers and to understand the Biblical influences on their views on human rights;

To provide greater knowledge of Middle-Eastern history, geography, religion and politics; and

To inform the students of the importance of religion in world and national history, without imposing the doctrine of any particular religious sect.

http://www.blessedcause.org/Encourage/Bible%20Class%20in%20Public%20School.htm

Link used instead of the NCBCPS website (http://www.bibleinschools.dreamhosters.com/) because it is "down for maintenance."

We can probably take these objectives with a grain of salt, since the objectives may not necessarily reflect the course. According to several sources I've Googled, the NCBCPS is pretty secretive about its actual curriculum and the schools where its textbooks are used. This obviously invites a degree of skepticism about whether the course is appropriate for Public schools.

I'd want to see some citations from the textbook before forming an opinion on it, because I'm not ready to simply take the word of the ACLU and the People for the American Way Foundation.

I think the big debate here is intent, but I don't think that it's relevant. I'm sure that most proponents of the NCBCPS curriculum would love for all students to be converted or strengthened in their faith as a result of this course, but that's not relevant unless it can be shown that the course itself explicitly promotes Christianity.

Unfortunately, it seems like the only people who really know anything about the actual course and curriculum are the ones with some sort of agenda.

[Oh, Gee!!]

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.

[Spurminator]

And here's the link to the story Dan quoted.

http://www.oaoa.com/common/printer/view.php?db=odessa&id=2353

It wasn't immediately apparent to me that the first quote applied to the parents and not the ACLU/PFTAWF.

More...


The National Council’s curriculum calls for the King James Version of the Bible to be used with the textbook in its courses. However, ECISD maintains that it allows students to use whatever version they prefer.

This semester — the second the class has been taught — 21 Odessa High students and 63 Permian students signed up for the course.

Despite allegations in the lawsuit, some Permian students said the Bible classes present material as a literature course from a historical perspective.

“It’s an unbiased curriculum,” said Emily Bradford, a junior taking this class this semester. “However, I can see people being upset with it being only Christian-based. I think it should be a World Religion class.”

Permian senior Kelly Combs, though noting he’s never taken the Bible class, said he considers the course just another history class.

“It seems to me that if kids have an interest in anything, they should have the opportunity to be exposed to that. Our ancestors came to America to have Christian religious freedom,” he said.

In the mean time, one of the plaintiffs in the case brought Wednesday, Doug Hildebrand, an ordained deacon at Westminster Presbyterian Church in Odessa, said teaching religion doesn’t belong in the public school system.

“Taypayer money should not be used to teach a certain religion in public schools,” he said, noting it belongs in the church or at home.

He also said the classes — lacking the appearance of transparency in the public eye — leave him somewhat uncomfortable.

“It seems the to me that some church has invaded our school district, and it’s not my church,” he said.

Another plaintiff, Lori White, said she’s a firm believer in a separation of church and state, and therefore, she finds the Bible curriculum to impose on her constitutional rights when religion should be taught at home.

“The class needs to go away,” she said. “It’s the National Bible Curriculum. That’s not something that’s ever going to be appropriate for public education.”

Roland Spickermann, a parent of two elementary students and a plaintiff in the case, said the class should cover how the Bible is viewed in other religions to be more objective.

“The Bible will mean different things to different people,” he said.

David Newman, a parent of a ninth-grade student and a plaintiff in the case, said people should review the case and its background before drawing conclusions about the lawsuit before relying on instincts.

Newman said the class doesn’t reflect the religious mainstream, and, as a teacher himself, that doesn’t sit well with him.

“As an educator, I find that very disturbing because it is reductive. It is simplistic. It is the antithesis of a course that would engender critical thought,” he said.

Newman said the class should allow students the chance to ask questions that promote actual learning in the classroom.

[Mr. Peabody]

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.

Wow, that's really funny. Do you have anymore or know of a website where I might be able to find more of these gems?

[Oh, Gee!!]

In the beginning there was nothing...then Chuck Norris Roundhouse kicked that nothing in the face and said "Get a job". That is the story of the universe.

[Mr. Peabody]

I find it sad that the liberals have no real sense of right
and wrong. Just we have to have justice and peace.
Guess they haven't really read the bible. It teaches the
principles they hold so dear. Also they really don't know
much about American history and who and why it was
founded. They only know the revised history of the U.S.

What's the use of having right and wrong if there is no justice?

[BradLohaus]

Wow, that's really funny. Do you have anymore or know of a website where I might be able to find more of these gems?

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

[Oh, Gee!!]

The Bible was originally titled "Chuck Norris and Friends"
When God said, "let there be light", Chuck Norris said, "say 'please'."
According to the Bible, God created the universe in six days. Before that, Chuck Norris created God by snapping his fingers.

[Spurminator]

http://www.tfn.org/religiousfreedom/biblecurriculum/



Good link. The Chancey Report is very detailed and well documented.

[Mr. Peabody]

The Bible was originally titled "Chuck Norris and Friends"
When God said, "let there be light", Chuck Norris said, "say 'please'."
According to the Bible, God created the universe in six days. Before that, Chuck Norris created God by snapping his fingers.

Keep it going..... :clap :hungry: :clap

[Spurminator]

"Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky took me out to go get a drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can't find one. Finally Brasky takes me to a vacant lot and says, 'Here we are.' We sat there for a year and a half — until sure enough, someone constructs a bar around us. Well, the day they opened we ordered a shot, drank it, and then burned the place to the ground. Brasky yelled over the roar of the flames, 'Always leave things the way you found 'em!'"

[Mr. Peabody]

One of the best courses I ever took in undergrad was "The Bible as Literature." However, I do think that it is a subject matter that must be taught by someone who is well-versed in the area because students will have questions and there will be debate in the class. That's why I really feel that subject is more appropriate at the college level. I just don't think high school teachers can pull it off without being overly supportive or overly critical of The Bible.

[Oh, Gee!!]

One of the best courses I ever took in undergrad was "The Bible as Literature." However, I do think that it is a subject matter that must be taught by someone who is well-versed in the area because students will have questions and there will be debate in the class. That's why I reaaly feel that subject is more appropriate at the college level. I just don't think high school teachers can pull it off without being overly supportive or overly critical of The Bible.


college boy, huh? figures, what with all of your fancy liberal ideals.

[Mr. Peabody]

college boy, huh? figures, what with all of your fancy liberal ideals.

Yeah, my formal education was in college, but my real education came from the mean streets of the Southside.

[Phenomanul]

I've learned to ignore boutons_'s hateful rants.... His skewed perspective on life is utterly bitter. Never an objective comment or any middle ground... Whatever :rolleyes

If he could have his way Religion would be completely wiped off the face of the planet. As if humans alone could prevent their own destruction. Man is corrupt and vile. For every act of compassion or 'goodness' that we see humans beget 100s of other acts of greed, hate, and evil. It's a degenerative cycle, that will ultimately lead to our downfall.

HOPE, however, was restored to humanity via Christ's substitutionary and atoning sacrifice. It's a "take it or leave it deal" and everyone shall decide for themselves. If boutons_ or Nbadan don't want any part of it... so be it. No one is forcing their hand. They can't stand there, however and pretend that they are completely objective on the matter. Their opinion is no more powerful than mine.

It's an elective for crying out loud! Do I condone public school proselytizing? No. But that's not their rift. They can't even tolerate the existence of the class to begin with, nevermind the actual subject matter, or the manner in which they are taught. "Let's all assume the worst and bash them for it!!!" Right :rolleyes

[boutons_]

"wiped off the face of the planet"

fucking straw man, post a link.

religions, esp the Bible-thumping assholes, wiped out of public schools and out of government, yes.

believe any old fairy tale, just don't impose your childish beliefs on others through public funds.

[Phenomanul]

"wiped off the face of the planet"

fucking straw man, post a link.
Really??? How about every other post from you??... it would take me hours to compile all your bitter banter.

Some of your implicit comments are rather explicit and pretty transparent.




religions, esp the Bible-thumping assholes, wiped out of public schools and out of government, yes.

believe any old fairy tale, just don't impose your childish beliefs on others through public funds.


Which is why we should just assume the worst? Great logic.

[smeagol]

Are you this fucking stupid?

Not only that . . . he does not know how to use the "quote" function.

[boutons_]

"How about every other post from you?"

how about a link where I want to wipe religion off the planet, as your bullshit says? put up or STFU with your bullshit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Teaching Christianity as the One True Religion to the exclusion of all other religions isn't an academic, teaching that the Bible is historically, scientifically accurate isn't academic, it's bullshit. A tax-payer funded public school promoting Christianity violates separation of church and state.

Teaching about Christianity and other religions, the development of religions and religious thought, comparing religions, etc, are legitimate academic subjects already taught in many universities, private and public.

These fucking fascist, self-righteous, retrogressive, kiss-my-butt-in-the-the-name-of-Christ "Christians" already have all the Churches and charter schools and Bible schools and Liberty and Oral Roberts universities, why do the insist on forcing their Christian propagandazing into public schools? The fucking country is going nuts.


Kind of ironic. You have a big problem with people teaching Christianity in an elective course. It's not even required course material to graduate, you fucking douche.

I know you're like 12, but when you graduate and maybe go to ACC or SAC or something, you'll realize that publically funded institutions of higher learning have a broad offering of religious studies courses which are also *gasp* electives.

Ah fuck it, you're too stupid to understand. I'll dumb it down for you - the day I see you bitching about Muslims and why they aren't teaching Christianity in their schools over in the Mideast, you can have your pissant soap box about this course in Odessa.

Until then STFU.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Then it shouldn't be too hard to find real evidence."

Show me the evidence that the course syllabus covers all religions as academic subjects and that the school administrators have controls in place so that favoring one religion over another will be policed.


Why would a course on the Bible teach all religions in it? Answer the fucking question boutons

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This semester — the second the class has been taught — 21 Odessa High students and 63 Permian students signed up for the course.

Those poor students. Someone put a gun to their head and make them attend. Oh wait, it's an elective course.

Again, it's an elective. What's the fucking problem?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Teaching Christianity as the One True Religion to the exclusion of all other religions isn't an academic, teaching that the Bible is historically, scientifically accurate isn't academic, it's bullshit. A tax-payer funded public school promoting Christianity violates separation of church and state.

Teaching about Christianity and other religions, the development of religions and religious thought, comparing religions, etc, are legitimate academic subjects already taught in many universities, private and public.

These fucking fascist, self-righteous, retrogressive, kiss-my-butt-in-the-the-name-of-Christ "Christians" already have all the Churches and charter schools and Bible schools and Liberty and Oral Roberts universities, why do the insist on forcing their Christian propagandazing into public schools? The fucking country is going nuts.

Hey croutons, newsflash, every public university in the state has a religious studies program. If you're going to start picketing, you better get busy.

And what's even funnier is that some of those institutions are led by extremely liberal folks, not the kiss my ass Christians or whatever cute stereotype you want to apply.

[E20]

Chuck Norris has the greatest Poker-Face of all time. He won the 1983 World Series of Poker, despite holding only a Joker, a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, a 2 of clubs, 7 of spades and a green #4 card from the game UNO.

[boutons_]

why teach only a Christian scripture? why be selective? how about the Torah, Koran, Upanishads?

[mookie2001]

if the bible or religion is so important to you, why would you want the school to teach it?

seems to me people should just teach their kids whatever they want and everyones happy

[Oh, Gee!!]

if the bible or religion is so important to you, why would you want the school to teach it?

seems to me people should just teach their kids whatever they want and everyones happy

stop making sense!

[ObiwanGinobili]

if the bible or religion is so important to you, why would you want the school to teach it?

seems to me people should just teach their kids whatever they want and everyones happy

no way it could be that simple......... oh .. wait.

[Phenomanul]

"How about every other post from you?"

how about a link where I want to wipe religion off the planet, as your bullshit says? put up or STFU with your bullshit.

Why then go to such measures as posting every vile, perverted extreme article that you find on Christianity as a means of trying to bash Christianity in general???

How many times must we tell you that not everyone who professes to be a Christian is a true Christian. How many times must I explain that a Christian is known by his 'fruits' - acts of compassion, kindness, patience, love, generosity, and benevolence. You, dan, and the mookie crowd really try my patience but no matter what I say this is always a constant. YOU ALL constantly wish to ignore the good and focus on the extremes. Such selectivity is not objective and shows your true colors. No need to deny what is crystal clear. You hate Christianity. Admit it and be honest about it instead of pretending your perspectives aren't hate-driven drivel. Man up.

You dare call me out with your false premises! My observation stands. - Implicitly supported by every poisonous bitter thread you start.

[Phenomanul]

if the bible or religion is so important to you, why would you want the school to teach it?

seems to me people should just teach their kids whatever they want and everyones happy


Could it be that not every parent qualifies him/herself as a History Teacher or a Literature buff? For that matter few Christians have studied the Bible from a historical sense, or the literary sense that people keep clamoring the Bible be taught in. Which is it?

It's an elective people.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Could it be that not every parent qualifies him/herself as a History Teacher or a Literature buff? For that matter few Christians have studied the Bible from a historical sense, or the literary sense that people keep clamoring the Bible be taught in. Which is it?

It's an elective people.

that's sad really

[Spurminator]

There's nothing wrong with the idea of a Bible-only elective on the surface. Asking why a Bible course wouldn't also teach passages on the Torah and the Quran is like asking why a Texas History class wouldn't also teach Oklahoma and New Mexico history.

The main problems are that finding high school teachers who can objectively teach the course without stepping over the line into PROMOTING The Bible as fact is difficult.

Also, in this case it seems that the curriculum was chosen over superior Bible course options.

[DarkReign]

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

Youre intelligent, but kind of new.

Whenever you see Oh,Gee! and Peabody have any sort of dialouge, you could cut the sarcasm with a knife.

Just a head's up.

[Phenomanul]

that's sad really


It really is... but that's why few Christians truly embrace or embody the ideals they were meant experience.

True dedication is hard to find... regardless of the endeavor.

[boutons_]

"why a Texas History class wouldn't also teach Oklahoma and New Mexico history."

total BS. religion is a special case, as indicated in the Constitution. Teaching Christianity and the Bible for religious/spiritual purposes in public schools is different from state history classes for academic purposes.

[gtownspur]

if the bible or religion is so important to you, why would you want the school to teach it?

seems to me people should just teach their kids whatever they want and everyones happy



To stop the advancement of Bukkakes and onstar on our nation!

[Nbadan]

Any post with Chuck Norris is the title is gonna be big.