Argentinians available in the draft/int'l free agency

[Marcus Bryant]

Since the Spurs have a couple titles due in no small part to the utter fearlessness, mental toughness, execution, and cojones of a certain Argentine and perhaps another in store thanks to the current duo, who else is out there that the Spurs might take a look at?

[gtownspur]

Your mom.

[Marcus Bryant]

Fuck you forum yeast infection.

[GrandeDavid]

I'm really hoping the Spurs can find a way to bring Luis Scola over. He's still got some youth, he's tenacious as hell and would bring more toughness to the front court.

[gtownspur]

Fuck you forum yeast infection.



Nothing like being the hilarious douche known as the...
XX NO LIMIT ARMY POTATOE PEELER XX

[mardigan]

The Bobcats have a team option on Hermann next year, maybe they wont pick it up :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Scola will probably join the Spurs when he's 57.

[Marcus Bryant]

Nothing like being the hilarious douche known as the...
XX NO LIMIT ARMY POTATOE PEELER XX

Better to be the tetherball of the Political Forum, I guess. Seriously, I've yet to see you add any value to this forum outside of being its favorite punching bag.

[gtownspur]

Better to be the tetherball of the Political Forum, I guess. Seriously, I've yet to see you add any value to this forum outside of being its favorite punching bag.



any type of bag >>>> Douchebag.

[nkdlunch]

Scola or at least Hermann

[Marcus Bryant]

any type of bag >>>> Douchebag.

Wouldn't "any type of bag" include "Douchebag"?

Damn, it's too easy.

[gtownspur]

Better to be the tetherball of the Political Forum, I guess. Seriously, I've yet to see you add any value to this forum outside of being its favorite punching bag.


Didn't you puss out after CBF and Mookie threaten to put up a picture of yourself covered in sperms, and leave ST all together.

[Marcus Bryant]

Didn't you puss out after CBF and Mookie threaten to put up a picture of yourself covered in sperms, and leave ST all together.

Yeah, obviously I left SpursTalk.com.

[gtownspur]

Wouldn't "any type of bag" include "Douchebag"?

Damn, it's too easy.


Yeah, any type of bag other than douchebag, what so hard for you to understand?

Douchebag.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, any type of bag other than douchebag, what so hard for you to understand?

Douchebag.

:lol Then learn how to express yourself more clearly.

[gtownspur]

Yeah, obviously I left SpursTalk.com.


You did, and now you're back,....with all your fairy powers intact.

[gtownspur]

:lol Then learn how to express yourself more clearly.


I don't have too, wait.. i am talking to a dumbass afterall. My apologies, i will include pictures and cartoons to speed along your understanding.

[Marcus Bryant]

You did, and now you're back,....with all your fairy powers intact.


Nope, never did. I'll leave it to you to worry about whoever gets under your skin so easily.

[mardigan]

I thought this thread was about something else

[whottt]

I don't care if you don't like me...I didn't like you first.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't have too, wait.. i am talking to a dumbass afterall. My apologies, i will include pictures and cartoons to speed along your understanding.

My, what a GED and a subscription to Insight magazine does for one's confidence.

[ChumpDumper]

I think all the good Argies are taken, but i'm sure they'll inform me about any others out there.

It would be nice to have Scola next season, but we also need another shotblocker on this team.

[gtownspur]

Nope, never did. I'll leave it to you to worry about whoever gets under your skin so easily.

I don't worry about things like that, besides i think i did a good job of getting you all riled up over a simple harmless jab, a small harmless joke that you couldn't take.

I'll make a self note to only pick on adults and not little girls.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

what a pointless spread




the Spurs already have the best international player in the world whose not in the NBA locked up, and he's Argentenian, but the Spurs won't bring him over



BRING SCOLA TO SA

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't worry about things like that, besides i think i did a good job of getting you all riled up over a simple harmless jab, a small harmless joke that you couldn't take.

I'll make a self note to only pick on adults and not little girls.

Nah, my reaction was warranted, as unfortunately you escaped from your cage in the Political Forum and saw fit to start spamming this one with your usual array of nonsensical shit.

[gtownspur]

My, what a GED and a subscription to Insight magazine does for one's confidence.


Sorry, didn't have need for the first, and don't subscribe to magazines. But i like your failed attempt at "reaching" to far. I bet it made you cub scout leader once. :lol

[WalterBenitez]

Since the Spurs have a couple titles due in no small part to the utter fearlessness, mental toughness, execution, and cojones of a certain Argentine and perhaps another in store thanks to the current duo, who else is out there that the Spurs might take a look at?

Me, me, me and me ... I'm a great flopper

[Marcus Bryant]

Sorry, didn't have need for the first, and don't subscribe to magazines. But i like your failed attempt at "reaching" to far. I bet it made you cub scout leader once. :lol


Yeah, it's not surprising that you would subscribe to anything that requires the use of brain cells. Not that Insight necessarily does, which of course is why you strike me as a potential subscriber.

Enjoy that case of PBR tonight.

:toast

[gtownspur]

Nah, my reaction was warranted, as unfortunately you escaped from your cage in the Political Forum and saw fit to start spamming this one with your usual array of nonsensical shit.


I think this thread is spamming, and nonsensical.

WHat's next?

We start drafting argentines with 2 working limbs and a pulse, because the No Limit Army Commanche has a hard on for all things that tango?

The response, was less an attack on your mother than it was on your stupid thread question.

[mardigan]

Enjoy that case of PBR tonight.

:toast
Damn, why you got to bring PBR into it?

[gtownspur]

Yeah, it's not surprising that you would subscribe to anything that requires the use of brain cells. Not that Insight necessarily does, which of course is why you strike me as a potential subscriber.

Enjoy that case of PBR tonight.

:toast


i think you should go back to posting pics of tanks and ships getting blown up while spouting washed up rap slogans that weren't even cool during their hey day.

Look everybody, i'm the XX NO LIMIT ARMY FLUFF BOY XX lets get the Jazz to get Jiggy with it and Bout it Bout it, yey yey..

[boutons_]

I like any sports "journalist", I'd like to contribute some gossip bullshit as totally relevantto drafting Argentinain players.

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BBC NEWS

Sealed with an Argentine kiss

By Daniel Schweimler
BBC News, Buenos Aires

One of the joys - and difficulties - of being a foreign correspondent is learning and adapting to local customs. Buenos Aires looks, on the surface at least, pretty much like a European city. You would think then that British journalists would not have too much difficulty blending in with the locals, but that is not always the case.

I have got nothing against kissing. In fact, I'm all for it.

But there is an awful lot of it going on in Buenos Aires and sometimes I do not know if I have got it quite right. You kiss pretty much everybody - one peck, right cheek to right cheek - when you greet them and when you say goodbye.

"What? Everyone?" I asked my Argentine wife on my first visit to the country.

"Yes, everyone," she replied.

I was doubtful.

That day we went to see her dentist - an elderly, very conservative woman who I was told had once scraped the plaque from the teeth of none less than the glamorous Evita Peron, wife of the former president, Juan Peron.

We met in the doorway, I stooped to kiss the diminutive dentist, she recoiled in horror, a door closed, hitting me on the back and pushing me closer towards her as she managed to duck and slip from my grasp in a move worthy of an international rugby player.

Charlie Chaplin could not have done it better.

"Well, perhaps not absolutely everyone," my wife explained afterwards.

Friendly kiss

Some years ago the custom developed for men to kiss men. Family members and very close friends had always done so. But in such a macho, sometimes homophobic society, this was a radical move.

When dropping my children at school in the mornings, I kiss all the mums and all the dads... insurance salesmen, architects, lawyers and teachers. Then we kiss again to say goodbye.

The kissing between men is done in a very macho, Argentine sort of way
On Saturday mornings when I take my sons to football, we repeat the process, only then the dads have not shaved and that is when I had much prefer a distant and very British mumbled "hello" and a weak wave.

I kiss colleagues, male and female, on my arrival and departure from work. I have kissed the cleaner, the bank manager, the receptionists and secretaries at the offices of people I have interviewed. But not the refuse collectors, my barber or the ticket collectors on the train - although I might if they were a little more friendly.

And everyone kisses children, enthusiastically and often. My own boys are well-trained to proffer their cheeks to all visiting adults.

Although on return trips to Britain they find they are often left hanging, with their necks arched, while stuffy, distant British adults look at them in confusion.

"Oh! You were expecting a kiss," they'll say.

Argentines are definitely more friendly. But sometimes, it is just too much. Too many lips and too many cheeks.

When two friends meet in the street, there will be the quick peck and a hearty slap on the upper arm accompanied by a loud: "Che! Que tal? - Hey mate! how's it going?"

You can still offer a handshake but that might be seen as a sign that you want to keep your distance, that you do not want to become too friendly in what is a very friendly, sociable society.

Too British

Kissing in public is important to Argentines.

Standing in the queue for the cinema the other day I heard frantic slurping and near drowning noises behind me. I turned to find a not-so-young couple quite openly and unashamedly indulging in a passionate kiss.

That is something I see frequently on park benches, outside offices and in restaurants.

"I hope you're not expecting that kind of behaviour from me," I told my wife. "No, you're still far too British," she retorted.

In fact now I think about it, Argentines in general like to get much closer than I am accustomed to. While in queues at the supermarket check-out for instance, I have elbowed many an elderly lady as I stoop to sign my credit card slip since they were standing too close.

Worse still is when they are practically in my back pocket while I take money from the bank cash machines.

"Perhaps you'd care to dance madam," I feel like saying. "Although I don't know you and I'm not sure this is the appropriate time or place to do a tango."

The guide books all say the same - that Buenos Aires looks, on the surface, like a mixture of Paris, Milan and Barcelona. And the immigrant mix of the residents reflects the same, with the subsequent evolution of a kissing culture.

Which is better? One kiss or two or three? On greeting and departure or just greeting?

The portenos, as the residents of Buenos Aires are known, have evolved their own style. So if you should visit Argentina, have your lips at the ready, beware of diminutive elderly dentists and, gentlemen, please shave first.

From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Thursday, 24 May, 2007 at 1100 GMT on BBC Radio 4.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6684727.stm

Published: 2007/05/28 15:28:07 GMT

© BBC MMVII

[thousandth]

Scola or at least Hermann

Scola? who's? :rolleyes Hermann? who's? :rolleyes

ANDRES NOCIONI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! our future!

[whottt]

Not that I'm not thoroughly enjoying this...but you really come off as an ass for bashing MB's No Limit Commander Schtick, an Eternal Spurs message board icon, associated by many with happy moments in Spurs History.....

[gtownspur]

Yeah, it's not surprising that you would subscribe to anything that requires the use of brain cells. Not that Insight necessarily does, which of course is why you strike me as a potential subscriber.

Enjoy that case of PBR tonight.

:toast


This is the same guy who rips graphics and knowledge from the Grudgereport.com, the last guy who would have been pulling the insight magazine card.

[gtownspur]

Not that I'm not thoroughly enjoying this...but you really come off as an ass for bashing MB's No Limit Commander Schtick, an Eternal Spurs message board icon, associated by many with happy moments in Spurs History.....


I, admire his enthusiasm for the spurs and all, but his shtick is old and was golden maybe during the Spurs sweep of 01. But i bet all the pistons and jazz fans are getting a good laugh at this clown, and us getting riled up.

[gtownspur]

It's time to be more creative, and not sound like a bunch of overweight white college station kids trying to act steet about the spurs.

[AFBlue]

Aformentioned Nocioni, Scola, and Hermann...

Scola is the most realistic because the Spurs own his rights, Nocioni and Hermann are both longer shots because they are restricted FA and would cost the team some amount of draft picks or players in return....a harder deal to work out.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned G/F Carlos Delfino, but I think he's a restricted FA as well...though I could be wrong.

Finally, there is one European player that though he is actually of Spanish descent, is compared to Manu Ginobili with his fiery play and stature....Rudy Fernandez. He's a guy that I would very much like to have on the Spurs.

[Marcus Bryant]

i think you should go back to posting pics of tanks and ships getting blown up while spouting washed up rap slogans that weren't even cool during their hey day.

Look everybody, i'm the XX NO LIMIT ARMY FLUFF BOY XX lets get the Jazz to get Jiggy with it and Bout it Bout it, yey yey..

Funny, I haven't seen any complaints save for your babble which seems to be centered around some kind of forum inferiority complex.

[kolko]

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/matiasnocedal.html

[gtownspur]

Funny, I haven't seen any complaints save for your babble.


maybe if you would windex your sperms goggles every now and then you'd be able to recognize your shtick is a joke.

[mardigan]

Delfino is under contract until 07-08, then he has a qualifying offer. Delfino is nice though, solid player

[AFBlue]

Delfino is under contract until 07-08, then he has a qualifying offer. Delfino is nice though, solid player

Thanks for clarifying.... :tu

[picnroll]

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/matiasnocedal.html

Notes: Nocedal has signed an eight year contract with TAU Ceramica (Spain) in August 2006, but will remain in Argentina for at least one more year, playing for Argentino de Castelar in Liga B.
wtf is wrong with these Argentines?

[Marcus Bryant]

maybe if you would windex your sperms goggles every now and then you'd be able to recognize your shtick is a joke.

The odd thing is, the 'schtick' only exists because of popular demand. I guess that eats at you. Another odd thing is that I've yet to see you post anything of value in this forum.

[mardigan]

The odd thing is, the 'schtick' only exists because of popular demand. I guess that eats at you. Another odd thing is that I've yet to see you post anything of value in this forum.
Im a fan :tu

[smeagol]

I'd take MB over Gtown any day of the week.

Gtown, you are coming across as an idiot. No surprises there because you are an idiot.

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/matiasnocedal.html


Thankfully, the contract he recently signed with Tau Ceramica stipulates that he must play with and against older players from now on.

Does that contract also stipulate a $15 mil buyout ala Scola's?

[gtownspur]

The odd thing is, the 'schtick' only exists because of popular demand. I guess that eats at you. Another odd thing is that I've yet to see you post anything of value in this forum.


You'd be too busy scavenging drudgerport for siren graphics, and searching for tank and helicopter pics on yahoo.

[whottt]

I don't like Delfino...I can't believe people(even Argies) said he was better than Manu...

I'm not that crazy about Scola either, but the main reason for that is IMO, his attitude


...but Oberto is making the thought of adding him to the team a nice one. I don't think Scola is going to be as effective of NBA player as Oberto...and I have thought this from day 1. I see Scola's game being impacted by the athleticism of the NBA and the players he will be matchedup against at the PF slot...and I never thought that would be a problem for Oberto...because Oberto's game isn't predicated on athleticism in any way shape or form.


I think Scola will wind up being to Oberto as Delfino is to Manu. They said he was better...didn't turn out that way once they made it to the NBA. Oberto and Manu are definitely more of the just shut up and play type guys, that seem to bring nothing but positive energy to your team...Delfino and Scola seem to be more of the, "what about me" type guys.

Of course I want Noccioni...who seems to have the fiery demeanor that so many laud in Scola...without the mouth....and Nocioni definitely ups his game when the pressure goes up...that hasn't been true of Scola in Europe.

[gtownspur]

I'd take MB over Gtown any day of the week.


At what, a pie eating contest?

Gtown, you are coming across as an idiot. No surprises there because you are an idiot.


Well, i'd expect this cock worship for all things argentina here from you so this doesn't surprise me either.

[BeerIsGood!]

Aformentioned Nocioni, Scola, and Hermann...

Scola is the most realistic because the Spurs own his rights, Nocioni and Hermann are both longer shots because they are restricted FA and would cost the team some amount of draft picks or players in return....a harder deal to work out.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned G/F Carlos Delfino, but I think he's a restricted FA as well...though I could be wrong.

Finally, there is one European player that though he is actually of Spanish descent, is compared to Manu Ginobili with his fiery play and stature....Rudy Fernandez. He's a guy that I would very much like to have on the Spurs.


You think Fernandez drops to the Spurs?

[ChumpDumper]

At what, a pie eating contest?vBookie to follow.

[smeagol]

Who said Delfino > Manu?

Maybe that/those guy(s) was/were heavily sedated at the time . . .

[ArgSpursFan]

I think all the good Argies are taken, but i'm sure they'll inform me about any others out there.

It would be nice to have Scola next season, but we also need another shotblocker on this team.

Holy shit,Am I reading right?? :wow

[ChumpDumper]

Holy shit,Am I reading right?? :wowSure. I think he's overrated as hell by you guys, but if the Spurs take care of their other, more glaring needs first, why not?

[Marcus Bryant]

You'd be too busy scavenging drudgerport for siren graphics, and searching for tank and helicopter pics on yahoo.

Yeah so I use the siren graphic from drudgereport. BFD.

As for the pics those come from google.

You're a regular private dick.

[smeagol]

At what, a pie eating contest?

At just about everything


Well, i'd expect this cock worship for all things argentina here from you so this doesn't surprise me either.

Thanks for corroborating my hunch. You are as stupid in this forum as you are in the political one.

[mardigan]

You think Fernandez drops to the Spurs?
There is a small chance he could drop, but I doubt to us. He is projected at 19 on DE.com right now. I think if the SPurs want this guy or Bellineli who also might slide close to where the Spurs pick, they will have to trade up a couple spots. But it is possible

[gtownspur]

XX NO LIMIT COAST GUARD SKIPPER XX

at your service ready to serve.

Let's get crunk in this biotch!!!

http://www.photovault.com/Link/Military/CoastGuard/MYCVolume02/MYCV02P13_09.jpg

[gtownspur]

At just about everything

That includes all hobbies like Tossing Salad, and daring to sport Assless Chaps, and Rimming anything argentina.



Thanks for corroborating my hunch. You are as stupid in this forum as you are in the political one.

That means alot to me coming from Smegmol.

[Marcus Bryant]

I hope gtown receives the help he needs.

[ArgSpursFan]

Sure. I think he's overrated as hell by you guys, but if the Spurs take care of their other, more glaring needs first, why not?

I got you,But you have to understand at the same time,that we have been watching all these guys play(manu,Oberto,Nocioni,Herrmann,Delfino,Scola,et c)for a long period of time,against Domestics Argies,European and NBA players(in international competitions)and I belive we are trying to let you guys see the whole picture,about these guys and their technics and talent.not trying to overrate them at all.
Examples:Oberto and Herrmann were a couple of useless guys at the begining of this season in their current teams.Herrmann broke up coze of injuries in Charlotte and Oberto did the same thing coze of Elson getting Worst and worst.You have to give Scola the benefit of the doubt as well.

[ChumpDumper]

I do give him the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time I don't want to pay him according to best-case conjecture when the team has more pressing needs.

[ducks]

oberta steps up in big games scola does not

[ArgSpursFan]

oberta steps up in big games scola does not

Scola has an Olympic Gold medal in Athens Ducks,You all (USA BB team) DON´T

....talking about playing under presure..... :smokin

[ducks]

does not mean scola stepted up
his teamates did not him

[ducks]

I do not think he and pop would get along
spurs and him are not on the same page now
rc told him to rebound more
and scola got bent out of shape

[ArgSpursFan]

so,where is scola looking at next year salary wise in order to fit the spurs salary cap??
$3 M/yr??

[ArgSpursFan]

I do not think he and pop would get along
spurs and him are not on the same page now
rc told him to rebound more
and scola got bent out of shape

just that???and he ended up being the ACB league MVP of the year??????
damn Scola!!!

[ChumpDumper]

so,where is scola looking at next year salary wise in order to fit the spurs salary cap??$3 M/yr??If that's the amount, it's an issue. That first year salary would have to come out of the MLE, which would probably be put to better use signing a player who plays a different position.

[gtownspur]

I think Scola under Duncan and Oberto will learn a few post tricks about rebounding. He certainly isn't a twig like Elson to get tossed around.

[gtownspur]

I hope gtown receives the help he needs.

I hope Marcus Bryant learns to have a thick skin, rather than craving thick skin.

[WalterBenitez]

I don't like Delfino...I can't believe people(even Argies) said he was better than Manu...
.

Call me brazilian if you want :D , but I won't say that ... Delfino is skilled but has no the mentality that Manu has, probably Chapu is more like Manu's mindset but no Carlos.

[Marcus Bryant]

Marcus Bryant has thick skin. Marcus Bryant deals with trash that tries to take advantage of the forum's lax moderation.

[gtownspur]

Marcus Bryant has thick skin. Marcus Bryant deals with trash that tries to take advantage of the forum's lax moderation.


Marcus Bryant! Thick Skin!! DUM DUM!!! Binga Binga!! Yum Yum!!

[ArgSpursFan]

Call me brazilian if you want :D , but I won't say that ... Delfino is skilled but has no the mentality that Manu has, probably Chapu is more like Manu's mindset but no Carlos.

Delfino is 23
Manu 30

He still has a long way to go.I think Delfino at 26,and getting at least 30 mpg will be an all star caliper player.watch

[ArgSpursFan]

If that's the amount, it's an issue. That first year salary would have to come out of the MLE, which would probably be put to better use signing a player who plays a different position.

well,we´ll see what happens
what position you mean to fill in,Buckup PG?

[ChumpDumper]

well,we´ll see what happens
what position you mean to fill in,Buckup PG?Backup PG, youth and length at SF.

Priorites could definitely change through the draft and offseason, but right now Scola and the position Scola would play isn't a priority.

[AFBlue]

You think Fernandez drops to the Spurs?

Hope...not think, but you never know. His contract runs through next year and players with contract issues tend to fall.

[whottt]

Who said Delfino > Manu?

Maybe that/those guy(s) was/were heavily sedated at the time . . .


It was mainly Argies that said that...on this board, after Delfino was drafted...

"He's going to be better than Manu"

I almost think you were one of the ones that was saying it...


And it's not like Argies had Oberto's back either...I remember some Argies laughing at me when I said I'd rather have him than Scola.

[Ariel]

I don't like Delfino...I can't believe people(even Argies) said he was better than Manu...
Who is people, exactly? I have heard people say Delfino was a better defender than Manu... but all around? Of course, give me any bold statement and it is bound to have been made by someone... but you make it seem like there was a consensus, which is far from the truth.

...but Oberto is making the thought of adding him to the team a nice one. I don't think Scola is going to be as effective of NBA player as Oberto...and I have thought this from day 1. I see Scola's game being impacted by the athleticism of the NBA and the players he will be matchedup against at the PF slot...and I never thought that would be a problem for Oberto...because Oberto's game isn't predicated on athleticism in any way shape or form.
And Scola's game is predicated on athleticism?

I think Scola will wind up being to Oberto as Delfino is to Manu. They said he was better...didn't turn out that way once they made it to the NBA. Oberto and Manu are definitely more of the just shut up and play type guys, that seem to bring nothing but positive energy to your team...Delfino and Scola seem to be more of the, "what about me" type guys.
Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto, well... I don't think it's so much about what people think, but about facts: individually, Luis has been recognized in the ACB MVP 04/05 & 06/07 (as well as runner up in 05/06 and third place in 02/03), being of course in the all ACB first team for the last four years. Also, he was named to the 05/06 and 06/07 All-Euroleague first team, and to the 04/05 All-Euroleague second team. Oberto never got anywhere close that. So yeah, Scola is generally considered the better player...

oberta steps up in big games scola does not
You mean big games like the Olympic final where he posted 25 pts (10/13 shooting) & 11 rbds (4) offensive (http://usabasketball.com/seniormen/2004/04_moly84_box.html), right?

[rob5]

any type of bag >>>> Douchebag.
why don't you guys put the gloves on already instead of just typing insults to each other like a couple of cunts

[AFBlue]

I'm not that crazy about Scola either, but the main reason for that is IMO, his attitude


...but Oberto is making the thought of adding him to the team a nice one. I don't think Scola is going to be as effective of NBA player as Oberto...and I have thought this from day 1. I see Scola's game being impacted by the athleticism of the NBA and the players he will be matchedup against at the PF slot...and I never thought that would be a problem for Oberto...because Oberto's game isn't predicated on athleticism in any way shape or form.


I think Scola will wind up being to Oberto as Delfino is to Manu. They said he was better...didn't turn out that way once they made it to the NBA. Oberto and Manu are definitely more of the just shut up and play type guys, that seem to bring nothing but positive energy to your team...Delfino and Scola seem to be more of the, "what about me" type guys.



I think Scola gets a bad rap from Spurs fans for his "attitude" because he was upset about the contract negotiations falling through between the Euroleague club, Spurs, and him. Put yourself in his shoes....if you have dominated Euroleague competition, you feel your game is NBA-ready, and you're eagerly anticipating that next move, wouldn't you be pissed off if it didn't work out?

I think that all Scola did was vent his frustrations about not being able to come overseas, and I do think he felt a little like a hostage because the Spurs have all the leverage in regard to his NBA status. I, for one, like the fact that he's eagerly anticipating his NBA debut and that he wants to prove himself on this level....that is the fiery competitiveness that he has, which is often overlooked or misunderstood.

I also disagree with your point that Scola will be less effective than Oberto in the NBA. Scola has a better offensive game...flat-out, there's no disputing it. He's not a great deal shorter than Fabbs and he's not a great deal lighter either. Oberto has said many times that Scola is the more talented player between the two. While I don't think he'll dominate the NBA like he has the Euroleagues, he has a chance to be better...no, MUCH better...than Fabbs.

On your final point, I do agree that Fabbs is the ultimate team player, but when the Spurs have NO legitimate low-post threat outside of Duncan, I'll take the guy who is more talented over the guy that just fits in....

[CAPARG]

And it's not like Argies had Oberto's back either...I remember some Argies laughing at me when I said I'd rather have him than Scola.

You are right...I remember most of us saying....scola>oberto

[whottt]

Who is people, exactly? I have heard people say Delfino was a better defender than Manu... but all around? Of course, give me any bold statement and it is bound to have been made by someone... but you make it seem like it was a consensus on it, which is far from the truth.

It was 4 or years ago...on this board, I doubt you were even watching basketball then.






And Scola's game is predicated on athleticism?


Moreso than Oberto...

Scola is a scorer at the PF position...he's a weak rebounder, and I wouldn't say he's a bad defender, but he's nowhere near as skilled a defender as Oberto is...and he's going to get flat out fucking smoked by some of the PF he wil be matched up against. And his scoring ability is going to be hindered by the superieor NBA defenders he will be matched up againstl.


This isn't a one shot all or nothing league...it's a war of attrition league, and teams will find your weakness and shut them down. Scola is the type of player that can and will be shut down in this league.


Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto, well... I don't think it's so much about what people think, but about facts: individually, Luis has been recognized in the ACB MVP 04/05 & 06/07 (as well as runner up in 05/06 and third place in 02/03), being of course in the all ACB first team for the last four years. Oberto never got anywhere close that. So yeah, Scola is generally considered the better player...


So? Different game and different rules....


You mean big games like the Olympic final where he posted 25 pts (10/13 shooting) & 11 rbds (4) offensive (http://usabasketball.com/seniormen/2004/04_moly84_box.html), right?


No I don't mean that at all...

That Team USA sucked, it was ill put together, it played together several weeks before the Olympics...

It was losing games to teams like Puerto Rico...if that's your idea of a bigtime game and bigtime team...you're small time.


The games of some players transfer better than others between leagues, and only a newbie to basketball or a dumbass fan fails to recognize this...

IMO, Scola is a player that won't transfer.

And BTW...I've was in favor of signing Oberto to replace DRob...years before we signed him.

[picnroll]

The concern with Scola is his athleticism. We'vseen healded players come ovom haurope and be busts and some less highly considered players come over and have success. Prime examples Sarunas and Calderon. Not many fans of FIBA would have predicted tht Sarunas would be a bust and Calderon a highly successful rookie. One common denominator is athletcism. Borderline player athleticism-wise in Europe are ineffective when they step up a level to the NBA. That could well be Scola.

[AFBlue]

The concern with Scola is his athleticism. We'vseen healded players come ovom haurope and be busts and some less highly considered players come ov

How is Zach Randolph doing with his athleticism?

After knee surgeries, etc....he has none, but that didn't stop him from being a 20pt scorer.

My point is that athleticism, while important, is vastly overrated.

[Ariel]

It was 4 or years ago...on this board, I doubt you were even watching basketball then.
I was watching basketball back then, and as far as the alluded subject, I'd say quite a bit more so than you did.

So? Different game and different rules....
Goes to show just how stupid your "people said he was better" argument is. The point is, whoever said Delfino was better than Manu was reaching big time. Whoever said Scola is better than Oberto, isn't.

That Team USA sucked, it was ill put together, it played together several weeks before the Olympics...

It was losing games to teams like Puerto Rico...if that's your idea of a bigtime game and bigtime team...you're small time.
Whether you think that game was big time or not, it is irrelevant. What matters is whether it felt like that to him, as it is he who supposedly feels the pressure. And I guarantee, that was the most important game of his life. If you can't comprehend that... well... talk about being small time.

[Phenomanul]

Pepe Sanchez

[whottt]

I think Scola gets a bad rap from Spurs fans for his "attitude" because he was upset about the contract negotiations falling through between the Euroleague club, Spurs, and him. Put yourself in his shoes....if you have dominated Euroleague competition, you feel your game is NBA-ready, and you're eagerly anticipating that next move, wouldn't you be pissed off if it didn't work out?

I think that all Scola did was vent his frustrations about not being able to come overseas, and I do think he felt a little like a hostage because the Spurs have all the leverage in regard to his NBA status. I, for one, like the fact that he's eagerly anticipating his NBA debut and that he wants to prove himself on this level....that is the fiery competitiveness that he has, which is often overlooked or misunderstood.

I also disagree with your point that Scola will be less effective than Oberto in the NBA. Scola has a better offensive game...flat-out, there's no disputing it. He's not a great deal shorter than Fabbs and he's not a great deal lighter either. Oberto has said many times that Scola is the more talented player between the two. While I don't think he'll dominate the NBA like he has the Euroleagues, he has a chance to be better...no, MUCH better...than Fabbs.

On your final point, I do agree that Fabbs is the ultimate team player, but when the Spurs have NO legitimate low-post threat outside of Duncan, I'll take the guy who is more talented over the guy that just fits in....


Scola is a scorer and nothing else really, he's undersized to be one of the bigger PF's and he's too slow to be one of the small ball PF's...he's going to be hurt by the athleticism of the NBA, more than Oberto, who is a "smart hustle guy" that relies on his brains to be effective.


And when search comes back up you can do a search and find some of the oldest posts on this forum and see me saying hte same thing, from 2003...about why Oberto would be effective in the NBA.

I was right about Oberto...I think I'll be right about Scola too...

He has bust written all over him.

He won't be as effective an NBA player as Oberto...and nowhere near as effective as Manu.

[timvp]

I was right about Oberto

You were on board in 2003 but in 2007 you scoffed at timvp when he said Oberto > Elson for the playoff run.

[whottt]

I was watching basketball back then, and as far as the alluded subject, I'd say quite a bit more so than you did.

Link?


Yeah....welcome to my world, stupid.





Goes to show just how stupid your "people said he was better" argument is. The point is, whoever said Delfino was better than Manu was reaching big time. Whoever said Scola is better than Oberto, isn't.



Whether you think that game was big time or not, it is irrelevant. What matters is whether it felt like that to him, as it is he who supposedly feels the pressure. And I guarantee, that was the most important game of his life. If you can't comprehend that... well... talk about being small time.


I don't really give a shit what you think...you sound just like every other knee jerk Argie on the board when they first get here. Long on Argentina shitting gold...completely fucking ignorant of the differences between the leagues...the skill sets it takes to be successful in each, and of the fact that there are many players that fail to make the jump and the reasons why.


They get better...you will too..06.


Example - Tim Duncan is just about the worst FIBA player to ever represent Team USA...based on the 04 Olympics...I realize you probably think Argentina was the biggest reason for that...I suggest you take a look at what that team was doing the entire run...

And if you are still too fucking thick to get that...

I want you to go back and read what I said about one being an all or nothing contest, and the other being a war of attrition...

IF you are too fucking stupid to get that difference? Don't attempt to argue with me...it will just be a frustrating and rude exchange for the both of us...

Now kindly take your pompous ass attitude and your knee Argie defensiveness...shut the fuck up, and then go fuck yourself.

[whottt]

You were on board in 2003 but in 2007 you scoffed at timvp when he said Oberto > Elson for the playoff run.


No I didn't...I just haven't given up on Elson yet...

[timvp]

No I didn't...I just haven't given up on Elson yet...

Explain this:


LMAO...the problem with Elson is he's a center...if you think Oberto is the answer you'll be with everyone esle begging for Elson after his first bad game

[ArgSpursFan]

No I didn't...I just haven't given up on Elson yet...

damn.Hopefy your hopes aint that high wottt.it´s not like the guy is improving every year.total opposite to be honest

[hendrix]

I'm cold

[whottt]

Explain this:


You're the one that took it out of context....why do you need it explained?

It was a comment about that series...







In context would be...

Oberto sucks and isn't an NBA player...uttered by you and the missus probably about a thousand times over the past two seasons...


Forum search that...

Oh and BTW...nice to see you posting again...I thougth Javie might have taken his vendetta out on you or something...

BRB...gonna go help Vaughn get out from under that bus you threw him under...

[Marcus Bryant]

I think Scola has his limitations, but then again, so does Oberto if you are assessing his individual game and athleticism. In the Spurs' system I think Scola's best attributes would be maximized. Plus there's nothing like playing alongside one of the greatest bigmen of all time to make it easier to provide a positive impact.

[timvp]

The Jazz lost :depressed
And He didn't even play :depressed

[whottt]

damn.Hopefy your hopes aint that high wottt.it´s not like the guy is improving every year.total opposite to be honest


You should have been here last year....people said Oberto sucks last year about 1000 times more than they said Elson sucks this year...


And Elson didn't suck in that series that quote came from...it was his best series of the playoffs.

[ArgSpursFan]

Link?

I don't really give a shit what you think...you sound just like every other knee jerk Argie on the board when they first get here. Long on Argentina shitting gold...completely fucking ignorant of the differences between the leagues...the skill sets it takes to be successful in each, and of the fact that there are many players that fail to make the jump and the reasons why.
.

So tell me where should I put you,and your exellent BB knowledge when you said Elson was the best big guy the spurs could ever get for 3Mp/year.?????
For that money Scola or even Mahinmi could be atleast making his firts experience in the league and putting WAY better numbers.

the more you talk the stupid/homer/redneck you make your self look like.

[whottt]

TimVP should be happy Barry is a team player...if it was Scola getting a DNP he'd be demanding a trade and accusing the Spurs of ruining his career.

[ArgSpursFan]

and watch your mouth,before talking about Argentinians BB knowledge,Like Manu did,we can sorprise you.

[whottt]

So tell me where should I put you,and your exellent BB knowledge when you said Elson was the best big guy the spurs could ever get for 3Mp/year.?????
For that money Scola or even Mahinmi could be atleast making his firts experience in the league and putting WAY better numbers.

the more you talk the stupid/homer/redneck you make your self look like.


Um...

Elson played more this year than Oberto did his first year.

It's funny that a guy that had to have his lips surgically removed from Manu's ass is calling anyone else a homer.

Go ahead...get nasty with me.

[mardigan]

For that money Scola or even Mahinmi could be atleast making his firts experience in the league and putting WAY better numbers.
And you know this how?

[whottt]

and watch your mouth,before talking about Argentinians BB knowledge,Like Manu did,we can sorprise you.


Manu didn't surprise me...

Pssst...basketball didn't begin when you discovered it last year...

[ArgSpursFan]

And you know this how?

Cause I know for a fact that It couldn´t get any fucking worst tham fucking Fransisco Fuking Elson.Plain and simple.
why?, you think Elson is the shit too?

[ArgSpursFan]

Manu didn't surprise me...

Pssst...basketball didn't begin when you discovered it last year...

:lmao I probably Watch and PLAY more Basketball in a year,tham what you did in your whole life.And not just NBA.

[mardigan]

Cause I know for a fact that It couldn´t get any fucking worst tham fucking Fransisco Fuking Elson.Plain and simple.
why?, you think Elson is the shit too?
Why? You going to try and challenge my basketball knowledge next?
No I think Elson sucks donkey balls, doesnt mean he cant play better in the sytem. And it sure as hell doesnt mean that Mahinmi or Scola would be better. There are no guarantees in the NBA. I personally think Manhinmi will never come over to the NBA

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs likely have a timetable for when they want Mahinmi to come over. That appears to be the 2008-09 season. If Horry plays one more season and Oberto stays then the active bigman rotation will be set. Should Ely not be brought back then maybe there is a spot for another big on IR. My guess is that the Spurs will look to bring in Scola or Javtokas should Horry opt to hang it up after this season or Oberto leaves. Right now I expect little turnover in the frontcourt this summer.

[whottt]

Honestly these threads would be better if newbie Argies would stop acting like anything less than total endorsement of every player born on their soil, is an insult to their heritage. I almost think that if any of these guys were the President of Arg(which is always a distinct possiblity)...they'd go to war over the national slight of someone saying Delfino is almost as good as Jordan.

[ArgSpursFan]

Why? You going to try and challenge my basketball knowledge next?
No I think Elson sucks donkey balls, doesnt mean he cant play better in the sytem. And it sure as hell doesnt mean that Mahinmi or Scola would be better. There are no guarantees in the NBA. I personally think Manhinmi will never come over to the NBA

You know what,I don´t really care how much you know about Basketball,but If you ever happened to play Basketball,and have been watching Basketball for a long time,and also have watched European and International Basketball in general for the past 5 or 6 years,you should know for a fact that Elson is probably one of the worst Big man in the league.Since Scola have been the Spanish MVP more tham once.

[ArgSpursFan]

Honestly these threads would be better if newbie Argies would stop acting like anything less than total endorsement of every player born on their soil, is an insult to their heritage. I almost think that if any of these guys were the President of Arg(which is always a distinct possiblity)...they'd go to war over the national slight of someone saying Delfino is almost as good as Jordan.
1 st of all,the ones killing Women and Childs in Irak aint Argentinians Solders.
and them,I appriciatte wordwide basketball,not just Argentinian.Including NBA.
Going back to Delfino,He aint even gonna be better tham Manu,but He is young and talented to learn more,and before all of that,He is a team player,something that many American players should learn how to play(as a team)

[mardigan]

You know what,I don´t really care how much you know about Basketball,but If you ever happened to play Basketball,and have been watching Basketball for a long time,and also have watched European and International Basketball in general for the past 5 or 6 years,you should know for a fact that Elson is probably one of the worst Big man in the league.Since Scola have been the Spanish MVP more tham once.
Well I would say that Elsons biggest problem is not knowing where to be at the right time, a problem many 1st year Spurs have. He is fast, athletic, and has a nice jumper. The only thing that makes him look so bad is the fact that he is playing with other guys that know the sytem and where to be. Im not saying he is a gift to basketball fans or anything, but there are plenty of bigs in the league that dont have the skill set Elson has.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well I would say that Elsons biggest problem is not knowing where to be at the right time, a problem many 1st year Spurs have. He is fast, athletic, and has a nice jumper. The only thing that makes him look so bad is the fact that he is playing with other guys that know the sytem and where to be. Im not saying he is a gift to basketball fans or anything, but there are plenty of bigs in the league that dont have the skill set Elson has.

Hopefully Elson learns Spurs Basketball before it's time to make a decision on his future with the club, given his profile. He could be really a really nice part of the rotation with his athleticism and shotblocking.

[whottt]

1 st of all,the ones killing Women and Childs in Irak aint Argentinians Solders.
and them,I appriciatte wordwide basketball,not just Argentinian.Including NBA.
Going back to Delfino,He aint even gonna be better tham Manu,but He is young and talented to learn more,and before all of that,He is a team player,something that many American players should learn how to play(as a team)


Delfino's not a team player...and you insult Manu and Oberto..guys that are, by making that claim.

Delfino's a cancerous bitch that demanded PT before he could even play, for a championship contender....he demanded PT, he demanded trades, he whined and bitched while his team was in the middle of a playoff drive. Edit: A championship playoff drive.

Players don't pull that shit in Europe either, without getting called out for it.

They have to earn their spot there...I'd say even moreso than they do here...where talent will get you past a lot of players.

Not impressed with Delfino...I don't give a fuck where he was born.

[ArgSpursFan]

Well I would say that Elsons biggest problem is not knowing where to be at the right time, a problem many 1st year Spurs have. He is fast, athletic, and has a nice jumper. The only thing that makes him look so bad is the fact that he is playing with other guys that know the sytem and where to be. Im not saying he is a gift to basketball fans or anything, but there are plenty of bigs in the league that dont have the skill set Elson has.
I´m not trying to start a fight here with you Mards,I have enough with the pivot bitch already,but If He is so fast and Athletic,why Oberto played the more minutes and Got the best Series stats againts the suns out of them 2?
I thought He was brought to mutch up better with the suns and Mavs.

[ArgSpursFan]

Delfino's not a team player...and you insult Manu and Oberto..guys that are, by making that claim.

Delfino's a cancerous bitch that demanded PT before he could even play, for a championship contender....he demanded PT, he demanded trades, he whined and bitched while his team was in the middle of a playoff drive.

Players don't pull that shit in Europe either, without getting called out for it.

They have to earn their spot there...I'd say even moreso than they do here...where talent will get you past a lot of players.

Not impressed with Delfino...I don't give a fuck where he was born.

Time will tell wottt,don´t worry,like it happened with Elson already(a fiasco)Delfino will find the way to play some minutes like Herrmann did in charlotte,and them like always happens,everybody will kiss his ass.

[mardigan]

I´m not trying to start a fight here with you Mards,I have enough with the pivot bitch already,but If He is so fast and Athletic,why Oberto played the more minutes and Got the best Series stats out of them 2?
I thought He was brought to mutch up better with the suns and Mavs.
Im not arguing either really other than the fact that Elson has some skills. Berrty had a year jump on him learning the system, as I recall he wasnt all that great last year, but that year under his belt learning the system has really paid off during this post-season. Im just hoping that Elson can make the same kind of turnaround that did Berrty this year. I will say though, that no other Spur in recent memory has pissed me off more than Elson. If he plays next year like he did this year, I will agree with you that he is horrible. Im just hoping it is more the steep learning curve as opposed to just low basketball i.q.

[whottt]

Time will tell wottt,don´t worry,like it happened with Elson already(a fiasco)Delfino will find the way to play some minutes like Herrmann did in charlotte,and them like always happens,everybody will kiss his ass.



Delfino's been in the league for what...3 years?


That's as long as any Argie other than Manu...they've all had more success than he has...and none of them have made horse's ass of themselves to the degree he has.

I hope Manu continues bitchslapping Delfino for a few more years...he needs it.

[GrandeDavid]

Call me brazilian if you want :D , but I won't say that ... Delfino is skilled but has no the mentality that Manu has, probably Chapu is more like Manu's mindset but no Carlos.

Hey wise guy, easy with the Brazil cracks! :lol

I'm American but have a home and business in Brazil as well as the U.S. and love Brazil and its people.

So I'll call you Brazilian and, hence, will be giving you massive props, brother. :hat

[GrandeDavid]

I think Scola has his limitations, but then again, so does Oberto if you are assessing his individual game and athleticism. In the Spurs' system I think Scola's best attributes would be maximized. Plus there's nothing like playing alongside one of the greatest bigmen of all time to make it easier to provide a positive impact.

Which is why San Antonio needs to open their f-ing checkbook and do what it takes to get him here this summer...before he's 57. ;)

[ArgSpursFan]

I'm cold

jeje, 3 grados en Salta right now.

[Marcus Bryant]

Which is why San Antonio needs to open their f-ing checkbook and do what it takes to get him here this summer...before he's 57. ;)

Well, his countrymen started off their NBA careers with small contracts so he'll have to do the same if he wants to be a Spur.

[whottt]

smeagol = Manu
ArgSpursFan = Delfino

[whottt]

Well, his countrymen started off their NBA careers with small contracts so he'll have to do the same if he wants to be a Spur.

#1. I doin't think he particularly wants to be a Spur.

#2. Oberto success will probably result in Scola wanting even more to start with.

[ObiwanGinobili]

The odd thing is, the 'schtick' only exists because of popular demand. I guess that eats at you. Another odd thing is that I've yet to see you post anything of value in this forum.

:tu count me as another X NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER X fan.

[danyel]

Hey, I'm available...and cheap!

Pepe Sanchez is a great player, but doesn't fit in the NBA. He probably was the best player in our national team in Japan's last world cup.

Delfino has no excuses left though, if he wasn't able to earn playing time after 3 years with the Pistons he has no one to blame but himself.

[GrandeDavid]

Well, his countrymen started off their NBA careers with small contracts so he'll have to do the same if he wants to be a Spur.

I'm talking about the buyout of his Spanish contract. Actually, that's on Scola, not the Spurs.

[timvp]

I have to agree with whottt that there were Argentines on the board calling Delfino a bigger, more athletic version of Manu with a better shooting touch. Actually, there were quite a few saying that.

[ArgSpursFan]

smeagol = Manu
ArgSpursFan = Delfino

fuck off wottt.can´t stand bitches.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

smeagol = Manu
ArgSpursFan = DelfinoWhottt, I'm preety certain smeagol found more than half of what you've said in this thread offensive. I see you're still the same fucking prick you were 2 years ago, and most likely been your whole life.

All Ariel was trying to do (without insulting you by the way) was express his opinion on the Scola v Oberto issue, which by the way I agree with him. I was one of those people that said Scola is better than Oberto when we drafted him, and he still is.

Why the fuck do you feel the need to insult your way out of arguments? Is it you can't bring a ligitimate take to the table? I've been here long enough to know that is not true, still, threads like this beg the question.

By the way, and because I know you'll turn to insulting Argentinians by way of avoiding the issue, I don't think everything that comes out of Argentina is made of gold. I agree some Argies tend to be overzealous in their pimping of Argie players, but that doesn't mean we don't know shit about basketball Whottt. Ariel here is one of the most knowledgeable Argie posters here, by a mile, and judging by the amount of filth you've spewed at him in the past few posts, I'd be inclined to think he's probably more knowledgeable than you.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe it's just Ginobili and Oberto, but it seems like their generation of Argentine basketball players know how to play team ball in pressure situations. It's a shame the Spurs weren't able to nab the rights to either Nocioni or Hermann.

[smeagol]

I almost think you were one of the ones that was saying it...


Not me.

Lurker since 03, poster since 04.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I have to agree with whottt that there were Argentines on the board calling Delfino a bigger, more athletic version of Manu with a better shooting touch. Actually, there were quite a few saying that.I haven't posted in this forum for quite that long, but I can tell you that was not the general consensus back in Argie land. Manu has been regarded as the best baller to come out of Argentina long before Delfino came into the picture, at least for us watching anyway.

[smeagol]

smeagol = Manu
ArgSpursFan = Delfino

:lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Maybe it's just Ginobili and Oberto, but it seems like their generation of Argentine basketball players know how to play team ball in pressure situations. It's a shame the Spurs weren't able to nab the rights to either Nocioni or Hermann.Personally, I never thought Hermann was all that good... still, I was wrong about Oberto's chances of improving after his first year. Walter could still prove me wrong. Here's to hoping :oops

[smeagol]

I have to agree with whottt that there were Argentines on the board calling Delfino a bigger, more athletic version of Manu with a better shooting touch. Actually, there were quite a few saying that.

There is one department Delfino will always trail Manu and that is heart, cojones, nutsack, attitude, guts.

[ArgSpursFan]

:lol

Si,pero lo dijo porque delfino la tiene mas larga. :lol

[smeagol]

Whottt, I'm preety certain smeagol found more than half of what you've said in this thread offensive.

Nah . . . I have learned to love the little fucker :lol

If you get offended by what people say on this board, then you're missing half the fun of posting here.

[smeagol]

Si,pero lo dijo porque delfino la tiene mas larga. :lol

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Buenos Hairys]

No es bueno.

[mardigan]

Personally, I never thought Hermann was all that good... still, I was wrong about Oberto's chances of improving after his first year. Walter could still prove me wrong. Here's to hoping :oops
Hermann was the shit the last 18 games of the season this year. Double figures in 17 out of 18 games. He improved so much when he started getting minutes at the end of the year that I am really looking forward to seeing what he is going to do next year. He could be pretty damn good imo.

[smeagol]

That includes all hobbies like Tossing Salad, and daring to sport Assless Chaps, and Rimming anything argentina.


You can include chicanos who try to pass as white republicans in your list of hobbies.




That means alot to me coming from Smegmol.

Now I'm offended :lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Nah . . . I have learned to love the little fucker :lol

If you get offended by what people say on this board, then you're missing half the fun of posting here.my bad then, you didn't get offended. I sure as hell did. Go ahead and find in Ariels posts anything that would warrant that barrage of garbage Whottt just spewed?

[whottt]

Whottt, I'm preety certain smeagol found more than half of what you've said in this thread offensive.

And that separates him from 90% of the rest of the forum, how?




I see you're still the same fucking prick you were 2 years ago, and most likely been your whole life.

All Ariel was trying to do (without insulting you by the way) was express his opinion on the Scola v Oberto issue, which by the way I agree with him. I was one of those people that said Scola is better than Oberto when we drafted him, and he still is.


#1. I didn't attack Argies...I attacked newbie Argies.

I see 20 of them per year...they always react the exact same way, it's the same argument I've heard 1000 times, and it's a bad argument that shows a huge lack of insight to the game.


#2. There is a difference between the leagues.


#3. There is a difference between an single elimination contest(as the medal rounds are) and the NBA marathon.


I am insulted every time someone tries to cite the fucking Olympics as proof of something having to do with the NBA...

Did you see how bad Duncan sucked in the Olympics?

I don't just mean against Argentina...I mean, the whole fucking tournament.

He sucked...if you go by that tournament, Tim Duncan is the biggest choker, clueless and foul prone player to ever represent team USA...

So pointing out the Olympics to me...as proof of anthing having to do with the NBA, automatically brands someone to me, as a newbie fan.

It's a different game, with different rules, and different styles of play.


I don't care how many awards Scola has in Europe...he doesn't have the athleticism to transfer to the NBA without losing a substantial amount of his game.

Manu has tremendous athelticism...it was no brainer he was going to be an NBA success...

Oberto, has none...but he does what he does very well, and it was easy to see he is going ot transfer to the NBA.








Why the fuck do you feel the need to insult your way out of arguments? Is it you can't bring a ligitimate take to the table? I've been here long enough to know that is not true, still, threads like this beg the question.

I don't...just depends on who I am arguing with.

And it's not that I feel the need to do so...it just feels better.




By the way, and because I know you'll turn to insulting Argentinians by way of avoiding the issue, I don't think everything that comes out of Argentina is made of gold.

Link to where I said you did? Link to where I have insulted Argentines ad hoc anywhere in this thread?

I used the qualifier "newbie" and iI used it for a reason.

And as long as you have been here on this board...you should know exactly what I am talking about.







I agree some Argies tend to be overzealous in their pimping of Argie players, but that doesn't mean we don't know shit about basketball Whottt.

And I don't recall ever saying that...some of my favorite basketball players are Argentine...



Ariel here is one of the most knowledgeable Argie posters here, by a mile, and judging by the amount of filth you've spewed at him in the past few posts, I'd be inclined to think he's probably more knowledgeable than you.


It's SpursTalk....


You're friend got the response he did from me because he proved himself a dumbass by being offended because he wasn't here 4 years ago when people were saying that...

It's not my fault he wasn't here...

[ArgSpursFan]

Hermann was the shit the last 18 games of the season this year. Double figures in 17 out of 18 games. He improved so much when he started getting minutes at the end of the year that I am really looking forward to seeing what he is going to do next year. He could be pretty damn good imo.

that´s what I think It would happen to Delfino once he finds the way to get some more minutes.

[smeagol]

No es bueno.
Hmmmmmm.

I wonder why when Buenos Hairys appeared on this thread, MB disappeared.

[Buenos Hairys]

Pussy muy bueno.

[Buenos Hairys]

Hmmmmmm.

I wonder why when Buenos Hairys appeared on this thread, MB disappeared.

No es MB.

[GrandeDavid]

And that separates him from 90% of the rest of the forum, how?






#1. I didn't attack Argies...I attacked newbie Argies.

I see 20 of them per year...they always react the exact same way, it's the same argument I've heard 1000 times, and it's a bad argument that shows a huge lack of insight to the game.


#2. There is a difference between the leagues.


#3. There is a difference between an single elimination contest(as the medal rounds are) and the NBA marathon.


I am insulted every time someone tries to cite the fucking Olympics as proof of something having to do with the NBA...

Did you see how bad Duncan sucked in the Olympics?

I don't just mean against Argentina...I mean, the whole fucking tournament.

He sucked...if you go by that tournament, Tim Duncan is the biggest choker, clueless and foul prone player to ever represent team USA...

So pointing out the Olympics to me...as proof of anthing having to do with the NBA, automatically brands someone to me, as a newbie fan.

It's a different game, with different rules, and different styles of play.


I don't care how many awards Scola has in Europe...he doesn't have the athleticism to transfer to the NBA without losing a substantial amount of his game.

Manu has tremendous athelticism...it was no brainer he was going to be an NBA success...

Oberto, has none...but he does what he does very well, and it was easy to see he is going ot transfer to the NBA.








I don't...just depends on who I am arguing with.

And it's not that I feel the need to do so...it just feels better.




Link to where I said you did? Link to where I have insulted Argentines ad hoc anywhere in this thread?

I used the qualifier "newbie" and iI used it for a reason.

And as long as you have been here on this board...you should know exactly what I am talking about.






And I don't recall ever saying that...some of my favorite basketball players are Argentine...

[quite]
Ariel here is one of the most knowledgeable Argie posters here, by a mile, and judging by the amount of filth you've spewed at him in the past few posts, I'd be inclined to think he's probably more knowledgeable than you.


It's SpursTalk....[/QUOTE]

I think calling Argentinians "Argies" is not a good thing. Like us being called "Ammies" or some ridiculous crap like that in another country. Pretty uncool.

[smeagol]

my bad then, you didn't get offended. I sure as hell did. Go ahead and find in Ariels posts anything that would warrant that barrage of garbage Whottt just spewed?

I've insulted whottt plenty and he has insulted plenty back at me. No harm done. Life goes on. I still like the guy. I guess we have one thing in common: we both think Manu is the shit. Come to think about it, you do too.

As for Ariel I like him and hope he posts more often. We need more Argies posters. We need to show this damn gringos what we are really made of!

MartinR should post more often too.

[Buenos Hairys]

chinga damn gringos!!!

[GrandeDavid]

I've insulted whottt plenty and he has insulted plenty back at me. No harm done. Life goes on. I still like the guy. I guess we have one thing in common: we both think Manu is the shit. Come to think about it, you do too.

As for Ariel I like him and hope he posts more often. We need more Argies posters. We need to show this damn gringos what we are really made of!

MartinR should post more often too.

Smeagol, you're the man! That's the right attitude, bro. But you guys better not crack on Brazilians. ;)

[whottt]

Manumaniac...

Here is why I got offended since you must know...and frankly...I am little offended that you don't see why...

Keep in mind, I have never seen Ariel post before today...I haven't got a fucking clue who he is, what his opinions or anything...

He responded to my post...and here is what I found offensive...


Who is people, exactly? I have heard people say Delfino was a better defender than Manu... but all around? Of course, give me any bold statement and it is bound to have been made by someone... but you make it seem like there was a consensus, which is far from the truth.

This is an enormously stupid fucking comment to make on a message board...especially SpursTalk...

Since a staple of SpursTalk is saying I told you so...

You've been here for years...it's the national sport of this board...

This douchebag branded himself a clueless newbie by asking a stupid fucking question...stupid, about this board.

Additionally...






Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto, ...


Here...douchebag seems offended that I am not familiar with his fuckin stance on this issue and I am somehow stupid for not having seen it...

I found that offensive, pompous, and arrogant...from a newbie, who's biggest problems with me are the result of him being new to the board.

His basketball arguments did not impress me...they never do when someone overemphasises the Olympics.

Winning the Olympics means you have the best National Team in the World...and nothing else.

Happy now?

And he called my arguments stupid too...if you weren't such a blind homer you'd have seen that.

[smeagol]

I'm surprised at what Walter did at the end of the season. And I agree that Delfino would probaly do better in a team which was not as stacked as DET is with talented players.

[mardigan]

I'm surprised at what Walter did at the end of the season. And I agree that Delfino would probaly do better in a team which was not as stacked as DET is with talented players.
Well two young players, Okur and Darko, have turned out to be pretty damn good on other teams with more playing time. I think Delfino has a ton of talent, and would be very curious to see what he could do with some minutes.

[smeagol]

Well two young players, Okur and Darko, have turned out to be pretty damn good on other teams with more playing time. I think Delfino has a ton of talent, and would be very curious to see what he could do with some minutes.
Good point. Especially Okur. That guy was totally shadowed by the Pistons' stars. Now that he plays for another team, he's having an AS year (except against the Spurs, where he is sucking wind :lol )

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It's SpursTalk....... I'll grant you that. I really should be more aware of this, long as I've been here... shame on me



You're friend got the response he did from me because he proved himself a dumbass by being offended because he wasn't here 4 years ago when people were saying that...

It's not my fault he wasn't here...Not exactly Whottt, you told him "I doubt you were even watching basketball back then"

Come on man, that's not a slight on how long he's been posting here. Dude got offended, and rightly so I think.

I agree in part, that the Olympics is not an appropiate means of comparison between FIBA style of play and NBA's, due primarily because its played under FIBA rules no less. However, Ariel was commenting on ducks post about Oberto coming up big in games, as opposed to Scola. His point was that no matter how bad you think the US was playing, it was still probably one of the biggest games of his life for him. What's in question here is the mental toughness of the man, and for him that game was probably a pressure cooker. So it should tell you something that he didn't get rattled in that situation and had a particularly good game.

Still, in the end its all about what happens not what would happen. IMO Scola would fit very well in the NBA. I realize he'll go through the transition period every Euro goes through when coming over here, and perhaps thats the biggest issue here, age, and how long it will take for him to get adjusted. On top of that learning the Spurs defensive rotation is always a bitch. I say trade the man's rights for something we can use right now, and that fulfills more pressing needs, not because the man can't cut it, but because the Spurs could probably get more bang-for-their-buck elsewhere right now.

[whottt]

... I'll grant you that. I really should be more aware of this, long as I've been here... shame on me

Not exactly Whottt, you told him "I doubt you were even watching basketball back then"

Come on man, that's not a slight on how long he's been posting here. Dude got offended, and rightly so I think.

I agree in part, that the Olympics is not an appropiate means of comparison between FIBA style of play and NBA's, due primarily because its played under FIBA rules no less. However, Ariel was commenting on ducks post about Oberto coming up big in games, as opposed to Scola. His point was that no matter how bad you think the US was playing, it was still probably one of the biggest games of his life for him. What's in question here is the mental toughness of the man, and for him that game was probably a pressure cooker. So it should tell you something that he didn't get rattled in that situation and had a particularly good game.

Still, in the end its all about what happens not what would happen. IMO Scola would fit very well in the NBA. I realize he'll go through the transition period every Euro goes through when coming over here, and perhaps thats the biggest issue here, age, and how long it will take for him to get adjusted. On top of that learning the Spurs defensive rotation is always a bitch. I say trade the man's rights for something we can use right now, and that fulfills more pressing needs, not because the man can't cut it, but because the Spurs could probably get more bang-for-their-buck elsewhere right now.


I just don't see it...

First time I saw Manu and Oberto play was in 02 and I instandly liked both of them...Scola had a good performance in that WC too...but his game is one I just don't see transferring to the NBA.


As for the Olympics...that was a team win, Argetina won because they had the Superior Team, they had a Team that was much more experienced, both in international play and playing together...

Argentina was such a superior TEAM to Team USA, in terms of TEAM play... that using that as an example of clutchness or pressure play, is like saying the Spurs are clutch for beating the Nuggets...

Team Argentina won...they were the favorite to win, they should have won.

I looked at Scola's performances in Europe as a truer indication of how he handles pressure...since, he's not going to be playing for national pride in the NBA, either.

It's a different mindset, a different game and it in no way translates to NBA success IMO...just ask Tim Duncan, and Allen Iverson, and Amare Stoudamire etc...

And besides if you are going to give it to one player..that was Manu's show...Scola just got caught up in the wake.

[smeagol]

Scola is NBA-bound. He sees the success Oberto is having. IMO, he will do anything to play in the NBA next year. He wants his shot at success.

And the mystery will be revealed.

[picnroll]

Scola is NBA-bound. He sees the success Oberto is having. IMO, he will do anything to play in the NBA next year. He wants his shot at success.

And the mystery will be revealed.
I hope so. I don't think I can take another year of Scola's great, Scola sucks threads.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Manumaniac...

Here is why I got offended since you must know...and frankly...I am little offended that you don't see why...

Keep in mind, I have never seen Ariel post before today...I haven't got a fucking clue who he is, what his opinions or anything...

He responded to my post...and here is what I found offensive...



This is an enormously stupid fucking comment to make on a message board...especially SpursTalk...

Since a staple of SpursTalk is saying I told you so...

You've been here for years...it's the national sport of this board...

This douchebag branded himself a clueless newbie by asking a stupid fucking question...stupid, about this board.Fine, we'll chalk the whole thing down as a missunderstanding. Dude didn't know you were talking about Argies, on this board, four years ago... Still seems quite the overreaction doesn't it? Still, I'm not excempt from going off on people by mistake, it happens, I can give you at least that much.


Here...douchebag seems offended that I am not familiar with his fuckin stance on this issue and I am somehow stupid for not having seen it...

I found that offensive, pompous, and arrogant...from a newbie, who's biggest problems with me are the result of him being new to the board.
You got all that from "Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto..."

Yeah, I think you're reading too much into the mans comments Whottt. Still, I could be wrong about this.



His basketball arguments did not impress me...they never do when someone overemphasises the Olympics.

Winning the Olympics means you have the best National Team in the World...and nothing else.Ugh... I've already addressed the Olympics issue a few posts back...

:lol Just messing with ya Whottt.


Happy now?

And he called my arguments stupid too...if you weren't such a blind homer you'd have seen that.blind homer huh? man what is it? you think us Argies are just one big brotherhood, everyone rooting for their fellow countrymen in every aspect of daily life, including basketball forums? Seriously, if it was that way, we would probably be Sweden :lol

I may have missed him calling your comments stupid, but thats just probably because I was blindsighted by the barrage of insults coming from your posts Whottt. I apologize, I'll try to be more thorough in the future.

[whottt]

I just remember being laughed at when I said Oberto would be starting by the end of the year after we signed him...I bitched he did not get more PT against the Mavs last year...he played well againsg them in the 2 minutes of PT he got...

It took a year(and Pop admitting he made a mistake by not realizing what Oberto could bring to a team) but here he is...starting. Scoreboard...

And I know for a fact that there were Argies that doubted he could do it...

I don't think Scola would be starting for this team if he were here right now...I think he'd be playing behind Oberto, I think if they came over at the same time he'd still be playing behind Oberto...he might come over and might eventually start, but IMO, it will because Oberto isn't getting any younger...

As for Elson...I like him too...he's a freak athlete...if he learns the Spurs sytem he's the best C on the team. I am not ready to give up on him yet...you get a 7 foot guy that can do all the things he can do and that is as fast as he is...he's a huge weapon, and he's still a time bomb waiting to go off for this team in a game.

I am very happy with the Spurs C rotation in Elson and Oberto...I just don't see Scola fitting in on this team, a lot of that is due to comments he has made that I know won't go over well with the Spurs if he makes similar comments while playing for this team. As I said originally...I like the idea of Scola more now because of Oberto...and Team Argentina coming off the bench would be a devastating weapon for the Spurs....a title winning weapon potentially...but the 3 Argies I want are Noccioni, Manu and Oberto...I am not sold on Scola(his attitude or his NBA game) and Delfino doesn't seem worth the trouble.

[timvp]

Wait, wait, wait.

Does Manu actually hate Tony?

:stirpot:

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I think calling Argentinians "Argies" is not a good thing. Like us being called "Ammies" or some ridiculous crap like that in another country. Pretty uncool.Actually David, I think the term "Argies" originated from Argentinians. I mean lets face it, its a long fucking name :lol

[whottt]

blind homer huh? man what is it? you think us Argies are just one big brotherhood, everyone rooting for their fellow countrymen in every aspect of daily life, including basketball forums? Seriously, if it was that way, we would probably be Sweden :lol

I may have missed him calling your comments stupid, but thats just probably because I was blindsighted by the barrage of insults coming from your posts Whottt. I apologize, I'll try to be more thorough in the future.

No apology needed....it's SpursTalk....where verbal abuse, self aggrandizing and refusal to admit error(without a major attempt at ass covering) go hand in hand with basketball discussion.

Home sweet home.


And I don't think all Argies like that...as I said...some Argies didn't think Oberto was going to be worth a flip in the NBA...some thought Delfino was going to be better than Manu.

But there's a definite trend with new ones that come to the board, then after a few years of verbal abuse their game is much improved...same as with the American fans...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Wait, wait, wait.

Does Manu actually hate Tony?

:stirpot:yes, we'll be invading France in the very near future to drive that point home. Ofcourse it will probably take the French about a week to kick our asses out of there, but we're preety confident thats enough time to prove our point...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

But there's a definite trend with new ones that come to the board, then after a few years of verbal abuse their game is much improved...same as with the American fans...:lol

[timvp]

I just remember being laughed at when I said Oberto would be starting

Join the club

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23014

[Cant_Be_Faded]

timvp should change his title to "WhotttDumper"


crawford:duncan::timvp:whottt
:smokin

[whottt]

timvp got owned so badly in yesterdays game his only alternative is to launch an offensive and turn off search...

Jacque Vaugn owned him...Steve Javie owned him.
Elson is going to own him...and Finley is going to get him owned.



Man I was so far ahead of the curve...

On the first draft night chat in SpursTalk history I called stuff that is still being proven true.

Kidd wouldn't come.
Attempting to sign him is going to piss Parker off.
We'll regret trading that pick to Phoenix.
Greek Baby Shaq is going to make his mark in the NBA(this begins next year), besides, if you can draft a player named Greek Baby Shaq, you do it, no questions asked.
And finally, Oberto would be a better and cheaper C than Rasho...possibly allowing us to keep Jack.

The only problem with being so far ahead of everyone else is...it's like being the first guy to know the world is round...you have to put up with a lot of lesser intellects calling you stupid.


Sigh...but nobody ever said being a genius was easy. There is a price to be paid.

[whottt]

And that is a pretty impressive post by MB calling the trade of Rasho and Nazr.

It's almost scary how deadly accurate he was on that...a far contrast to his Kidd takes of 03.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Greek Baby Shaq is going to make his mark in the NBA(this begins next year), besides, if you can draft a player named Greek Baby Shaq, you do it, no questions asked.


Are you talking about Snavlov Svanalakaus?
I thought some other team beat us to the punch..

[whottt]

Are you talking about Snavlov Svanalakaus?
I thought some other team beat us to the punch..


No..Clips took him early in the second round.

[whottt]

Oh and smeagol and Manimania...

What the hell do you guys mean ya'll weren't here when the Manu Delfino thing happened?

Ya'll were both here..and you were both posters. There are only a couple of Argentines that predate you guys, like Martin R....and they were at SR.

It was at the same time as Hedo>Manu


Alvarez was here...you guys were here.

It wasn't a huge big issue...the point is that even some Argentines thought Delfino was going to be better than Manu...

They all said the same thing...basically, he can do the same thing's Manu can do..but he plays more under control.

[whottt]

Ok Manumaniac didn't come onboard till 05...damn...seems like you've been here longer.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Ok Manumaniac didn't come onboard till 05...damn...seems like you've been here longer.It's because I've been so involved, see? :lol

I was actually lurking around for quite some time before I made my first post. I've been reading here since around mid 2004.

[smeagol]

Oh and smeagol and Manimania...

What the hell do you guys mean ya'll weren't here when the Manu Delfino thing happened?

Ya'll were both here..and you were both posters. There are only a couple of Argentines that predate you guys, like Martin R....and they were at SR.

It was at the same time as Hedo>Manu


Alvarez was here...you guys were here.

It wasn't a huge big issue...the point is that even some Argentines thought Delfino was going to be better than Manu...

They all said the same thing...basically, he can do the same thing's Manu can do..but he plays more under control.

If it happened in 2003, I was not yet posting.

And if it did happen when I was posting, I never opined on the subject.

But I was around for the Manu vs Hedo threads.

You were a mod, can't you retrieve it somehow?

We need to make chump cry :lmao

[smeagol]

Wait, wait, wait.

Does Manu actually hate Tony?

:stirpot:
STFU

You are half Argentine . . . whottt, chew his ass

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If it happened in 2003, I was not yet posting.

And if it did happen when I was posting, I never opined on the subject.

But I was around for the Manu vs Hedo threads.

You were a mod, can't you retrieve it somehow?

We need to make chump cry :lmaoI remember the Manu vs Hedo arguments as well. Wasn't posting at the time, but I remember them well :lol

[whottt]

If it happened in 2003, I was not yet posting.

And if it did happen when I was posting, I never opined on the subject.

But I was around for the Manu vs Hedo threads.

You were a mod, can't you retrieve it somehow?

We need to make chump cry :lmao


Can't get Hedo V Manu...oh gawd would I love that. Even if it had been saved to this board, the first thing Chump would have done after becoming a mod was delete it lmao.

The Delfino is going to be better than Manu thing was around the time of the 04 Olympics and I think 04-05 was Delfino's first year....

I can't remember which Argies were saying it...but I know at least one of them had Manu in his nic ;)


I didn't have much of an opinion on it either...it wouldn't have been going out on much of a limb to say no way in hell is Delfino going to be better than Manu...but some did. Some Argies...some regular posters. I was just drawing a paralell between that and saying Scola will be better than Oberto...which I do have a strong opinion on.

[whottt]

I think Scola would be a good fit on a team like the Suns or Mavs...an up and down team that doesn't play much D...that seemed to be the style that suited him in the Olympics...he's a great finisher...best part of his game. I just think he's going to have a much harder time finishing in the NBA.

[manubili]

You are right...I remember most of us saying....scola>oberto

I have always prefered Oberto over Scola. Even in the Arg NT. Scola has some consistency issues and a "bad boy" attitude I'm not fond of.

I would love to see Delifino being better than Manu. It would meant that Arg golden Bball wasn't just a miracle generation. But i don't see it happening in the short term.

[smeagol]

Smeagol, you're the man! That's the right attitude, bro. But you guys better not crack on Brazilians. ;)
O pais mais grande do mundo! (I'm talking about Brazil, of course)

[AnotherArgie]

Hi everyone,

Since this is my first post, I'll make a very short introduction of myself: I'm another argie, I've been a Spurs sympathizer since the mid 90s because of DRob (I was playing center when I was a kid) and then became a full Spur fan when the Duncan became a reality. And yes, I might become another member of the Church of Manu easily.

I've been a reader of this forum for a year or so (maybe a little more), and I never posted since I don't really like to write very much, I'm more interested in what fans over SA say about the team, since you have the chance to look at it more than me.

Saying that, I think that whottt is a guy with solid knowledge of the game, and I usually find his appretiations really similar to mine.

However, to read a troll such as ArgSpurFan to say so many crap about everything, involving subjects not even remotely related with basketball, such as the war in Irak, makes me feel sad, anger and ashamed. The guy is clearly over-excited for some reason, I don't know why.

I admire the patience the moderator has with him. I wouldn't.

ArgSpurFan, please, 'bajá un cambio'. This is a basketball forum.

PS: Go Spurs Go!

[whottt]

Hi everyone,

Since this is my first post, I'll make a very short introduction of myself: I'm another argie, I've been a Spurs sympathizer since the mid 90s because of DRob (I was playing center when I was a kid) and then became a full Spur fan when the Duncan became a reality. And yes, I might become another member of the Church of Manu easily.

I've been a reader of this forum for a year or so (maybe a little more), and I never posted since I don't really like to write very much, I'm more interested in what fans over SA say about the team, since you have the chance to look at it more than me.

Saying that, I think that whottt is a guy with solid knowledge of the game, and I usually find his appretiations really similar to mine.

However, to read a troll such as ArgSpurFan to say so many crap about everything, involving subjects not even remotely related with basketball, such as the war in Irak, makes me feel sad, anger and ashamed. The guy is clearly over-excited for some reason, I don't know why.

I admire the patience the moderator has with him. I wouldn't.

ArgSpurFan, please, 'bajá un cambio'. This is a basketball forum.

PS: Go Spurs Go!


Welcome to the SpursForum...you are a credit to new Argies everywhere...I will be nicer to them because of you from this point on :tu ;)


ArgSpursFan is alright
#1. He's really funny, although I don't think that part is intentional. I mean he is the homer of all homers. BUt he is funny...and I think people enjoy arguing with him.

#2. He's passionate and that's really what this board is all about.

Most of the people that originally started out at this board were people that tended to be a little too passionate for some of the other boards.

Anyway...welcome to the forum and thanks for the comments, it's really just about basketball, having fun, and not taking anything or anyone too seriously here, including ArgSpursFan, or me..or anyone else....:tu

[naico]

Of course I want Noccioni...who seems to have the fiery demeanor that so many laud in Scola...without the mouth....and Nocioni definitely ups his game when the pressure goes up...that hasn't been true of Scola in Europe.

Are you kidding me?really? It's not because he had one sub par game in the end of the season that he doesn't know how to handle pressure..Stress is not part of his vocabulary..last year and the year before that, i watched every game of his in the euro cup and i can tell you, that his coach, his teammates and the fans all relied on him exclusively..And he made it happen every single time!! This guy is soooo underrated by americans, it makes me sick..He scores with ease, whenever he wants to in europe, is more athletic than people think, is the best offensive rebounder out there, has very good passing skills and is fierce competitor who can light up the crowd. People need to get their facts straight. I tell you, he's gonna surprise a lot of people in the nba. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-star but he would succeed in the nba

[Mr. Body]

Scola would also be nice on Golden State.

[whottt]

Are you kidding me?really? It's not because he had one sub par game in the end of the season that he doesn't know how to handle pressure..Stress is not part of his vocabulary..last year and the year before that, i watched every game of his in the euro cup and i can tell you, that his coach, his teammates and the fans all relied on him exclusively..And he made it happen every single time!! This guy is soooo underrated by americans, it makes me sick..He scores with ease, whenever he wants to in europe, is more athletic than people think, is the best offensive rebounder out there, has very good passing skills and is fierce competitor who can light up the crowd. People need to get their facts straight. I tell you, he's gonna surprise a lot of people in the nba. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-star but he would succeed in the nba

Without going into or remembering details...

I think Scola has a pretty long track record of underperforming in Big Euroleague games...going back 3 years or so, including...last years final?

[timvp]

timvp got owned so badly in yesterdays game his only alternative is to launch an offensive and turn off search...


Your team lost. How am I the one that got owned? Just because Barry had his first good game on the road in the playoffs doesn't mean timvp got owned.

Barry was just due. Props to him and above everything else, I'm happy with the Spurs victory.

:tu

[WalterBenitez]

Hey wise guy, easy with the Brazil cracks! :lol

I'm American but have a home and business in Brazil as well as the U.S. and love Brazil and its people.

So I'll call you Brazilian and, hence, will be giving you massive props, brother. :hat

I lived and studied in Brazil ... and I really appreciate their female resources :drunk , speaking about soccer .. you know that's is a different story ... and what a gringo is doing over there? :wow

[WalterBenitez]

Maybe it's just Ginobili and Oberto, but it seems like their generation of Argentine basketball players know how to play team ball in pressure situations. It's a shame the Spurs weren't able to nab the rights to either Nocioni or Hermann.

There are many players in our league (and in the rest of the world) there's no guaranty they will develop and become the Manu's style of player, but if you like "figthers" (avoiding to say warriors ... :D) probably is a good place to look for in ARG, skilled guys ... I'm sure Brazil will produce many of them ... Leandrinho is my favorite.

[mountainballer]

Without going into or remembering details...

I think Scola has a pretty long track record of underperforming in Big Euroleague games...going back 3 years or so, including...last years final?

with remembering details. Scola did underperform this year, but not for the last 3 years.
last year he did well overall (not his fault that Tau lost versus Maccabi, he was 17/11), same can be said for the year before. (again a loss against Maccabi, again not the fault of Luis who was 21/9)
he had some not so good games and some bad games in his Euroleague career, but for every bad game a good or even outstanding game can be found.
to claim that he was constantly underperforming in big Euroleague games is just not right.

[thousandth]

Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto, well... I don't think it's so much about what people think, but about facts: individually, Luis has been recognized in the ACB MVP 04/05 & 06/07 (as well as runner up in 05/06 and third place in 02/03), being of course in the all ACB first team for the last four years. Also, he was named to the 05/06 and 06/07 All-Euroleague first team, and to the 04/05 All-Euroleague second team. Oberto never got anywhere close that. So yeah, Scola is generally considered the better player...

You mean big games like the Olympic final where he posted 25 pts (10/13 shooting) & 11 rbds (4) offensive (http://usabasketball.com/seniormen/2004/04_moly84_box.html), right?

Exactly. Scola needs always to have protagonism in his team. He isn´t A GOOD DEFENSIVE PLAYER, he only is offensive and he will never be able to mark Nowitzki, Boozer, Okur, Amare, Nené, Camby. Oberto did guard him very well.
Olympic Games= 2004.
Scola played horrible in the Euroligue 2006 and Euro 2007, and played horrible too in Final Abc 2006.
Oberto played well big game and Duncan knows this.
Scola? NO.

[ArgSpursFan]

Hi everyone,

Since this is my first post, I'll make a very short introduction of myself: I'm another argie, I've been a Spurs sympathizer since the mid 90s because of DRob (I was playing center when I was a kid) and then became a full Spur fan when the Duncan became a reality. And yes, I might become another member of the Church of Manu easily.

I've been a reader of this forum for a year or so (maybe a little more), and I never posted since I don't really like to write very much, I'm more interested in what fans over SA say about the team, since you have the chance to look at it more than me.

Saying that, I think that whottt is a guy with solid knowledge of the game, and I usually find his appretiations really similar to mine.

However, to read a troll such as ArgSpurFan to say so many crap about everything, involving subjects not even remotely related with basketball, such as the war in Irak, makes me feel sad, anger and ashamed. The guy is clearly over-excited for some reason, I don't know why.

I admire the patience the moderator has with him. I wouldn't.

ArgSpurFan, please, 'bajá un cambio'. This is a basketball forum.

PS: Go Spurs Go!

:lmao I would love to see your I.P adress anotherArgie,or may I say anotherSanAntonianHomer...... :fro

[ArgSpursFan]

Hi everyone,



Saying that, I think that whottt is a guy with solid knowledge of the game, and I usually find his appretiations really similar to mine.

However, to read a troll such as ArgSpurFan to say so many crap about everything, involving subjects not even remotely related with basketball, such as the war in Irak, makes me feel sad, anger and ashamed. The guy is clearly over-excited for some reason, I don't know why.


PS: Go Spurs Go!

Wottt= Elson´s #1 Fan

Great BB knowledge. :fro

[AnotherArgie]

:lmao I would love to see your I.P adress anotherArgie,or may I say anotherSanAntonianHomer...... :fro

I could tell you my current IP addres, but I could be lying also, se we better do this: if you happen to come to Buenos Aires some time, I work near Av. de Mayo and 9 de Julio. We can have a coffee and talk about ball (or go to a cybercoffe, and troll in this forum together).

[hendrix]

#1 I think GrandeDavid is right... the "argie" thing was created by the english (I believe, I'm not sure) and used despectively. So it would be kind of ironic that we call ourselves argies.
#2 TP sucks
#3 Yes, we are all homers. We tend not to see our players weaknesses and think they would beat MJ in a 1-on-1 any given day. Nothing we can do about. :)
#4 I always liked Oberto better than Scola, but maybe that's because I'm older than Scola and have seen Oberto play so many times. However, Scola its a better scorer, and thats it. You can search my opinions in the forum and you will see I was right about Oberto.
#5 Delfino does has an attitude problem. But you can compare him to some long 2 from Serbia such as Bodiroga. That kind of play. Manu is more "street-style" or rugged type of player. So which one is better is not the point, since they don't play alike to me.

[ArgSpursFan]

I could tell you my current IP addres, but I could be lying also, se we better do this: if you happen to come to Buenos Aires some time, I work near Av. de Mayo and 9 de Julio. We can have a coffee and talk about ball (or go to a cybercoffe, and troll in this forum together)

you can troll all you want by your self,I can´t belive You´ve been reading this forum for a year or so,and now all of the sudden,you decide to start trolling like a whining little bitch.your choice anyways.
about the the cup of coffee,why don´t you better share it with your boyfriend/girlfriend Wottt??

[AnotherArgie]

#1 I think GrandeDavid is right... the "argie" thing was created by the english (I believe, I'm not sure) and used despectively. So it would be kind of ironic that we call ourselves argies.


It could be intended to be offensive indeed. But honestly, it's a lame nickname, I'm sure english can be more offensive than that. And rebember that we're living in a country where nicknames tend to be de-dramatized, in the sense that we call each other 'negro', 'gordo', 'vieja', 'culeao', 'boludo' and so on, in a way that might sound offensive abroad but not at all here. After all, it always depends on the tone.

[AFBlue]

I think Scola would be a good fit on a team like the Suns or Mavs...an up and down team that doesn't play much D...that seemed to be the style that suited him in the Olympics...he's a great finisher...best part of his game. I just think he's going to have a much harder time finishing in the NBA.


See Whottt, this is where you lose me. You're arguments for Scola are all over the map.

First you said: "Scola is a scorer and nothing else really, he's undersized to be one of the bigger PF's and he's too slow to be one of the small ball PF's...he's going to be hurt by the athleticism of the NBA, more than Oberto, who is a "smart hustle guy" that relies on his brains to be effective."

To those points...I fail to see where adding another scorer is a bad thing for this Spurs team. Secondly, he's 6'9 and 240lbs, which is not small for an NBA PF....the only evidence to the contrary is an ESPN draft profile which suggests that he might be closer to 6'8. Regardless, he's a standard PF.

So, before you said his lack of athleticism and the athleticism of NBA players would hurt him, and now you're saying he should go to a team the DEPENDS on athleticism? Again, I fail to see the validity of your arguments...seems like there are alot of holes.

My assessment is that Scola IS a "hustle player" and he IS a "smart player", and he IS a talented low-post player, and he does NOT have a bad attitude. It's not a knock against Oberto, but Scola is simply the better player....I don't see how that makes him a worse prospect.

[AnotherArgie]

you can troll all you want by your self

cynicism is not your strenght, right?

[ArgSpursFan]

See Whottt, this is where you lose me. You're arguments for Scola are all over the map.

First you said: "Scola is a scorer and nothing else really, he's undersized to be one of the bigger PF's and he's too slow to be one of the small ball PF's...he's going to be hurt by the athleticism of the NBA, more than Oberto, who is a "smart hustle guy" that relies on his brains to be effective."

To those points...I fail to see where adding another scorer is a bad thing for this Spurs team. Secondly, he's 6'9 and 240lbs, which is not small for an NBA PF....the only evidence to the contrary is an ESPN draft profile which suggests that he might be closer to 6'8. Regardless, he's a standard PF.

So, before you said his lack of athleticism and the athleticism of NBA players would hurt him, and now you're saying he should go to a team the DEPENDS on athleticism? Again, I fail to see the validity of your arguments...seems like there are alot of holes.

My assessment is that Scola IS a "hustle player" and he IS a "smart player", and he IS a talented low-post player, and he does NOT have a bad attitude. It's not a knock against Oberto, but Scola is simply the better player....I don't see how that makes him a worse prospect.

At this Point Phat,When It comes to Scola,I don´t even pay atention to wottt.
And honestly,I´m starting to doubt about His scouting Eye for NBA prospects,since He never realized/admited Elson is a total fiasco.

[carrecaminos]

Not an Argentine, but a Brazilian: Tiago Splitter, he is the shit, but he would not be available with our picks.

[pad300]

What does anybody think about Ramunas Sisaukas as an international free agent:


from Draftexpress:
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2047

RAMUNAS SISKAUSKAS
Panathianikos, 1978, 6-6, SG/SF

This skilled Lithuanian wing delivered a great Final Four, especially concerning the final game, actually challenging for the MVP award. He shares with Diamantidis his low-profile style: he’s a player that often goes unnoticed and doesn’t make much noise. Indeed he’s an underrated athlete who enjoys a nice vertical leap and is able to beat his match-ups off the dribble. He enjoys nice handles, good footwork and long strides to gain the lane.

Like many of his teammates, he looked very aggressive against CSKA; particularly when Diamantidis was on the bench due to foul trouble. In those moments he took over his team’s offensive lead attacking the basket to finish himself, drawing personal fouls or dishing the ball, ending the game with 20 points and 5 assists. Siskauskas is a solid passer that has greatly helped solidify his team’s offense this season in Panathinaikos. Ramunas is also an excellent shooter; although he was very erratic in the Final Four (a combined 2/9 from behind the arc), he credits 47.1% throughout the entire Euroleague season, well-reflecting his accuracy and honoring the Lithuanians’ shooting reputation. Anyway, he’s an unselfish guy, very team-oriented, with a high basketball IQ, the kind of player every coach loves having on his roster.

Siskauskas barely slows down on defense, where he’s a reliable guy. Standing somewhere between 6-6 and 6-7 (he’s clearly 6-7 on shoes at least), he uses his athleticism well to keep up with his match-up. Perhaps he’s not the strongest guy around, but still he’s fairly tough. All in all, Siskauskas would probably make a nice complimentary wing player in the NBA; a player who helps ease the offensive flow, nets his open shots and contributes on the defensive end. He has a clear and very manageable $500,000 buyout as far as the NBA is concerned, but it’s not clear if any team will be able to compete with his salary in Greece, which is rumored to exceed over 1.5 million Euros per season.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Ha, how I missed all this fun! Coming back to the forum after a long long time. I've been lurking the past days but lost my password, and didn't know that the e-mail which I registired with was still working. Some people say time change people, but that is obviously bullshit. Things don't really change, do they? El pato keeping his hatin' is the best example.

I'm not gonna even bother to read all the fuckers that posted before me. All I've got to say is that if everyone is claiming credit from the forum because predicting Oberto would suit the Spurs, then I should get a collective blowjob from the forum, because I posted a thread stating that he would suit the Spurs system as soon as he ended his contract with Pamesa in Spain. (By the way, where is the search option? I want to tap myself in the shoulder).

I do remember some argies claiming Delfino was better than Manu. Luckily I wasn't among them.

Bow down to my superior knowledge. All your base are belong to us.

Possible Argentinian target for the Spurs?

Well, apart from the endless blah blah blah about Scola, if the Spurs will be looking for a back-up point guard, I'd love to see Pepe Sanchez or Pablo Prigioni to fill that role. Both are pass-first point guards, who are really, really, really good at distributing the ball, calling plays and defending. Problem is, both have good contracts and buyouts in Spain. Maybe Sanchez is the one that could come to the Spurs, since he doesn't have a good relationship with his current coach.

Herrmann or Nocioni could fill the need for a SF, but Nocioni is a restricted free agent this summer and has the chance to get better deals somewhere else. In my point of view, he would be the ideal SF for the Spurs. A team player with good size, who can shoot the 3, post up, rebound and plays defense. Hermann has nice offensive moves, but his 1-on-1 defense is not anywhere near Spurs standards. I think the Bobcats have the option to offer him a one year extension to his current deal, which ends this summer.

About draft prospects, hmmm, well, Matias Nocedal isn't showing his NBA potential currently, and he won't enter the draft for at least a couple of years. Oh, and when he does, he will be contracted to TAU.

Cheers.

[whottt]

See Whottt, this is where you lose me. You're arguments for Scola are all over the map.

Let's see if this is true...I think not.




First you said: "Scola is a scorer and nothing else really, he's undersized to be one of the bigger PF's and he's too slow to be one of the small ball PF's...he's going to be hurt by the athleticism of the NBA, more than Oberto, who is a "smart hustle guy" that relies on his brains to be effective."

And that's all true.


To those points...I fail to see where adding another scorer is a bad thing for this Spurs team.

#1. He's not going to be as good of a scorer in the NBA, he's going to have superior defenders defending him.

#2. Adding a scorer in and of itself is not a bad thing...adding a scorer who can't score that well in the NBA, and brings little else to your team...is a problem.



Secondly, he's 6'9 and 240lbs, which is not small for an NBA PF....the only evidence to the contrary is an ESPN draft profile which suggests that he might be closer to 6'8. Regardless, he's a standard PF.

It's small to be a big PF...which is what he is. See that's the problem...he's very limited in the positions he can play...and he's very limited in what he brings to your team outside of scoring and in terms of matchups.


So, before you said his lack of athleticism and the athleticism of NBA players would hurt him, and now you're saying he should go to a team the DEPENDS on athleticism? Again, I fail to see the validity of your arguments...seems like there are alot of holes.

Not when you take into account that I am saying he will be a bust...

I just think he'd have a better chance of getting to use his finishing skills in an offense like the Suns run, a transition team...I don't think he's going to make the HOF in that offense. I just think he'll be better in it that he will in a typical NBA offense, he'll get more open looks...surrounded by those types of players, getting open that way.

Players scoring averages tend to do well when playing with the Suns...that type of offense makes it easier for players to score..

It stands to reason that it will help a scorer whose best part of his game is his finishingt skills.



My assessment is that Scola IS a "hustle player" and he IS a "smart player", and he IS a talented low-post player, and he does NOT have a bad attitude. It's not a knock against Oberto, but Scola is simply the better player....I don't see how that makes him a worse prospect.


Well you must have not have seen the comments the guy has made about the Spurs over the past few years...going all the way back to the Olympics...


My bad...going back to the night the Spurs drafted him.

Go watch the interview with him after RC told him to work on his rebounding...then tell me he doesn't have an attitude problem.


My arguments are not all over the board...the factors that determine a players ability to transfer between leagues are complicated...and not explained with a simple explanation. If they were simple...Tim Duncan would have a gold medal and the Spurs would never have made a bad draft pick.

Scola does not bring much to your team other than scoring...he won't be near as good of a scorer in the NBA, due to the athleticism of the players that will be defending him...and he's talked a lot of shit over his contract disputes with the Spurs...

He blames them, for his own dumbass decision to sign a 10 year contract with a buyout bigger than the GNP of most third world countries.


Scola whined the night Spurs drafted him....about being drafted by them.
He's made countless comments about being traded, about not caring if he plays for the Spurs...

I just don't understand how you managed to never see any of these...if you follow him so closely...it's been well discussed on this board.

[spursfaninla]

David DuPree: Luis Scola is from Brazil and could be the best big man in Europe. A buyout of his contract is the only thing keeping him away from the Spurs, but there is a decent chance he will be with them next season. He plays a lot like Fabricio Oberto.

la, ca: People were talking of Duncan's decline last year, but he looks to still be at his best this year. He is less athletic with age, but smarter and a better passer. How much longer will he be this effective, and do you see Parker becoming the primary scorer for the Spurs in the future? Which of the Spurs oversea's guys will actually join them? Scola is getting old and seems to be too redundant with Duncan's game...


David DuPree: Duncan has lost a little, but only a very little and is still much in his prime. I'd say he has three or four more years at this level, which is good enough to make the Spurs a contender every year. I see Manu being more of the big scorer without Duncan than Parker. Scola is only 27 or 28, and I see nothing wrong with being redundant with Duncan. He and David Robinson made that work pretty well, I think.

[whottt]

David DuPree: Duncan has lost a little, but only a very little and is still much in his prime. I'd say he has three or four more years at this level, which is good enough to make the Spurs a contender every year. I see Manu being more of the big scorer without Duncan than Parker. Scola is only 27 or 28, and I see nothing wrong with being redundant with Duncan. He and David Robinson made that work pretty well, I think.


Um...David Robinson and Scola have nothing in common about their games. Not in the slightest...David Robinson was arguably the most athletic bigman in NBA history...he made it the HOF, won scoring championshipts...his entire career was in large part due to being an athletic freak.....

And he had no true finishing move...


Scola is a guy with a nice set of finishing moves.....

[smeagol]

Ha, how I missed all this fun! Coming back to the forum after a long long time. I've been lurking the past days but lost my password, and didn't know that the e-mail which I registired with was still working. Some people say time change people, but that is obviously bullshit. Things don't really change, do they? El pato keeping his hatin' is the best example.

I'm not gonna even bother to read all the fuckers that posted before me. All I've got to say is that if everyone is claiming credit from the forum because predicting Oberto would suit the Spurs, then I should get a collective blowjob from the forum, because I posted a thread stating that he would suit the Spurs system as soon as he ended his contract with Pamesa in Spain. (By the way, where is the search option? I want to tap myself in the shoulder).

I do remember some argies claiming Delfino was better than Manu. Luckily I wasn't among them.

Bow down to my superior knowledge. All your base are belong to us.

Possible Argentinian target for the Spurs?

Well, apart from the endless blah blah blah about Scola, if the Spurs will be looking for a back-up point guard, I'd love to see Pepe Sanchez or Pablo Prigioni to fill that role. Both are pass-first point guards, who are really, really, really good at distributing the ball, calling plays and defending. Problem is, both have good contracts and buyouts in Spain. Maybe Sanchez is the one that could come to the Spurs, since he doesn't have a good relationship with his current coach.

Herrmann or Nocioni could fill the need for a SF, but Nocioni is a restricted free agent this summer and has the chance to get better deals somewhere else. In my point of view, he would be the ideal SF for the Spurs. A team player with good size, who can shoot the 3, post up, rebound and plays defense. Hermann has nice offensive moves, but his 1-on-1 defense is not anywhere near Spurs standards. I think the Bobcats have the option to offer him a one year extension to his current deal, which ends this summer.

About draft prospects, hmmm, well, Matias Nocedal isn't showing his NBA potential currently, and he won't enter the draft for at least a couple of years. Oh, and when he does, he will be contracted to TAU.

Cheers.


Welcome back, mother fucker! :spin

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Um...David Robinson and Scola have nothing in common about their games. Not in the slightest...David Robinson was arguably the most athletic bigman in NBA history...he made it the HOF, won scoring championshipts...his entire career was in large part due to being an athletic freak.....

And he had no true finishing move...


Scola is a guy with a nice set of finishing moves.....

And he also says that Scola is from Brazil. That pretty much sums his knowledge about him.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

David DuPree: Luis Scola is from Brazil and could be the best big man in Europe. A buyout of his contract is the only thing keeping him away from the Spurs, but there is a decent chance he will be with them next season. He plays a lot like Fabricio Oberto.

la, ca: People were talking of Duncan's decline last year, but he looks to still be at his best this year. He is less athletic with age, but smarter and a better passer. How much longer will he be this effective, and do you see Parker becoming the primary scorer for the Spurs in the future? Which of the Spurs oversea's guys will actually join them? Scola is getting old and seems to be too redundant with Duncan's game...


David DuPree: Duncan has lost a little, but only a very little and is still much in his prime. I'd say he has three or four more years at this level, which is good enough to make the Spurs a contender every year. I see Manu being more of the big scorer without Duncan than Parker. Scola is only 27 or 28, and I see nothing wrong with being redundant with Duncan. He and David Robinson made that work pretty well, I think.hmm Scola is from Argentina not Brazil...

[Bruno]

Today Scola has played the first game of the spanish semifinal and he was really bad.

I've watched the game by only focusing on him.

His defense on this game was maybe the worst I've seen him play. He was out of position all the game. He has tried to contest (without success) something like two layups during the whole game. He hasn't done a good job on the defensive boards too. Pop would have been mad after him.

His offense was bad too. He bricks the three midrange/short jumpshoots he takes. He was a non factor in the post (missed jump hook, turnovers). He scored 5 baskets : 3 were after an offensive rebound, one was in transition and one was a post move. The only positive in this game are that he grabs some offensive reboudns by hustling a lot under the basket.

[timvp]

Today Scola has played the first game of the spanish semifinal and he was really bad.

I've watched the game by only focusing on him.

His defense on this game was maybe the worst I've seen him play. He was out of position all the game. He has tried to contest (without success) something like two layups during the whole game. He hasn't done a good job on the defensive boards too. Pop would have been mad after him.

His offense was bad too. He bricks the three midrange/short jumpshoots he takes. He was a non factor in the post (missed jump hook, turnovers). He scored 5 baskets : 3 were after an offensive rebound, one was in transition and one was a post move. The only positive in this game are that he grabs some offensive reboudns by hustling a lot under the basket.

How dare you insinuate Scola isn't a big game player. :reading

[ArgSpursFan]

Today Scola has played the first game of the spanish semifinal and he was really bad.

I've watched the game by only focusing on him.

His defense on this game was maybe the worst I've seen him play. He was out of position all the game. He has tried to contest (without success) something like two layups during the whole game. He hasn't done a good job on the defensive boards too. Pop would have been mad after him.

His offense was bad too. He bricks the three midrange/short jumpshoots he takes. He was a non factor in the post (missed jump hook, turnovers). He scored 5 baskets : 3 were after an offensive rebound, one was in transition and one was a post move. The only positive in this game are that he grabs some offensive reboudns by hustling a lot under the basket.

See now?He is really Upgrading his game on the boards.An off night anybody can have it anyways.

[Bruno]

See now?He is really Upgrading his game on the boards.An off night anybody can have it anyways.

Yes, I've realy like when he let Fran Vazquez getting an offensive board on him.

It was quite impressive, Scola was between Vazquez and the basket, Scola just let Vazquez run to the basket and jump to grabb the ball for the tip in without moving.

[spurschick]

I'm too lazy to read through the entire thread, but I remember some good talent from last summer's U18 FIBA tournament. Diego Gerbaudo really impressed me and Nicolas De Los Santos was just a stud.

[ArgSpursFan]

I'm too lazy to read through the entire thread, but I remember some good talent from last summer's U18 FIBA tournament. Diego Gerbaudo really impressed me and Nicolas De Los Santos was just a stud.

If you read spanish,here is a good link from an Argentinian BB website.

http://www.sextohombre.com.ar/nota_completa.asp?art=634&back=embajadores%20-%2015k

if you don´t read spanish it basically sais thatHe is only 15 yrs old and that He signed for Real Madrid,it doesn´t say the terms and for how long though.